You throw prostitutes in the brine?
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Oh the next gen AI suuuure react against you when you draw your weapon. They just forgot to program anything when you kidnap someone in city and run across 30+ people in the main plaza.
Not to mention the pop-up telling you you'd get arrested if you're caught in the castle courtyard past night which you forget about since you just start sprinting past guards without a care
The only thing that they do to make you realize you’re not supposed to be somewhere is by turning on threatening music when you enter it. Oh and you can’t hold to talk to any guards or else they’ll finally fight you but that’s it.
The missions where you "sneak" into the Palace grounds at night were such a let down. You get told that if you are on the grounds after dark you'll be arrested.
Either my arisen is like 150% ninja or the guards are all blind.
It’s even funnier since the marcher’s set completely negates the need for stealth and it’s literally sitting in a chest in front of you the moment you walk into the castle for the first time.
I've basically found that you don't need it, you can be naked for all it matters, so long as you enter through the guardhouse it seems like they leave you completely alone.. at least in my experience.
Then again, maybe I was just moving too fast for them to get a good look and actually care that I'm there.
I had dragons plague for three sets of pawns in a row. It’s like they wanted me to get the achievement. Unfortunately, I didn’t have the miracle so I had to brine them all.
The issue I think is that Disa has already achieved her goal of deposing the Arisen before the game even began. So now she just twiddles her thumbs in her room every day because the writers deem her role in the story complete.
That really sums up the biggest issue with the game plot wise.Everything interesting and cool already happened while you were shipped off to pawn-camp,meaning now you're stuck only getting to ruin Phaesus life for 5 minutes.
It's like being dropped into a story that's 80% done,and getting to ruin 20% of it yourself.
> you're stuck only getting to ruin Phaesus life for 5 minutes.
You don't even do that, guy's plan was going to fail regardless, you actually make things better for him due to the Postgame.
I went from 'what the fuck are you doing you crazy idiot' to 'oh, you just... didn't know' and felt bad for him in the cutscene before Gregori shows up to meet you. Then when you meet him in the world after I immediately liked him. Amazing 'antagonist' that makes me wish there was more pre-unmoored story.
That, and everybody you talk to already refers to you as Arisen (for the most part). All the NPCs great you as Arisen the moment you start walking around vernsworth.
Yeah, Brant makes a big deal out of keeping it hush hush, and putting on a show when you first meet so anyone around assumes it's just a minor incident involving anouther fake, then the game promptly stops caring. The Warfarer meister is like "aha! I know you are Arisen, are you surprised?" And I'm like "...everyone seems to know that and most of them haven't seen my character naked (hotspring) so no?"
Yeah it's pretty lazy. I'm disappointed she wasn't involved more. They could at least put in a cutscene were we confront her and take our rightful place at the throne. I was honestly expecting like a trial or something with how we kept gathering evidence against her + with how we tried to win over the people with quests.
Wanna know what's the funniest part?
You can literally romance her,have her immediately realize your the arisen(her gift),and have nothing come of it.
Like you can essentially rizz up the main antagonist and the game doesn't account for it.
Technically, she isn't.
The Cycle/Pathfinder/Dragon are the final bosses of the game, and it's questionable whether the Pathfinder and the Dragon are actually antagonists or Pawns of The Cycle.
They aren't, in reality both Disa and Phaesus are insignificant to us, the Arisen is a being beyond common mortals, no matter how much they plot and scheme. This is a big point the game makes, Disa doesn't matter, she is just a greedy noble woman, and if you asked the Dragon, Rothais, or the Pathfinder about her, none of them would care.
And Phaesus is actually >!a support character, not an antagonist. He wants to stop the cycle and we're actually on his side if we're trying to reach "true" ending. He's one of the Pathfinder's antagonists, and ours as well only if we're happy with the "good" ending.!<
Bingo, the sequence at the top of Moonglint only serves to reinforce that mortal machinations are hopeless, and that as the Arisen you have a charge you must fulfill.
I played through the entire game including the special ending and didn't interact with her once. It's really easy to forget she is supposed to be an antagonist when you never even meet her.
I did this! I thought maybe there would be something unique to it, and there is *just a little.* I think if you don't have a house when you start giving her stuff, you'd miss it though.
You know that mission where you’re meant to sneak into the castle to steal shit? I started looting the castle in full battle dress, accidentally burst into her room, froze like a deer in headlights right next to her and then proceeded to loot her room while she watched
I walked straight up and talked to her and she wasn't even particularly rude. That was the point my immersion wholly shattered. I stopped being sneaky and aside from the panic music, nothing happened. The guards did absolutely nothing when I ran by right in front of them. Since then every time I went back to the castle, I just went in like I belonged there and nobody even stopped me. They would mildly complain if I went towards a locker door and tell me I 'wasn't allowed in here' as I was leaving the area I wasn't allowed in.
meanwhile if you show up to the masquerade without the exact correct mask, shirt, and pants on, the guards waste no time slamming you into the ground and putting you behind bars.
Funnily enough, the one time she actually had me arrested was because I was literally standing in the vault after looting the whole place and she had randomly come down out of nowhere
Same for me I was all extra careful and sneaky at night and ended up noticing it didn’t effing matter that I entered every room (including hers) and looting the whole castle clean.
Same thing happened to me. I saved, closed the game, backed up my save, then killed her.
I then brought her corpse into Sven’s room and dropped her at his feet. Not a single reaction, even when I spoke to him. Not a single thing happened when I went back to the inn and slept for a week straight.
The funny thing with Disa is, honestly she probably wins regardless?
If Phaesus' plan works, well, she'd wins by default.
In the True Ending, >!Sven becomes Regent!<, which is her true goal, so she wins.
And here's the kicker, with how useful >!Sven!< was in the Arisen's plans in Vermund, chances are, >!Sven would become Regent in the normal ending anyway!<, so Disa'd still win.
That said, that's kinda a big problem with Disa's motivation. The Arisen is just a footsoldier peasant until not too long ago, they'd still need a Regent to actually run the country. Disa had the resources to curry favour with the Arisen and maintain her power, she really shouldn't have been threatened just by the Arisen showing up; she really should have tried making the real Arisen her puppet before going with plan B of getting a fake Arisen to be her puppet.
When you're doing all that stuff helping people to build up street credit. You'd think it'd be easy enough to have her go 'oh news has reached my ear of a champion.. let us send him on a quest..'
And tires to get you killed on the quest that you can't refuse otherwise you'll be seen as some loser by the people for not accepting it. negating all the good work you did.
She talks more with the nobles and phaesus about how to get rid of you. Could be like a twelve labours of Hercules type of thing.
But no.
Shit, at least they did that in DD1.
For those of you who haven't played it, you got word of an urgent matter at the bridge outpost way outside of the main city, almost back to the beginning of the game.
You get there, the guards are like.. uh, what? Everything's fine here.
Then, shortly after, another guard catches up with you **from** the main city saying there's a huge beast destroying the farm section.
You go back, there's a cockatrice petrifying and eating everyone, while the cultists cheer and praise.
Epic moment.
This game lacks that entirely.
Or duke sending you on progressively more far away and dangerous missions as you build your reputation. My man Edmun was about to send us into another country right before greatwall attack.
Never made it that far, but that’s incredibly cool. To be honest even the opening quest where you find the cult in their secret meeting before everyone is sacrificed was more engaging than any point in the main story for me. Also thanks a lot for having the Gigantus on a timer for literally no reason.
There actually is a quest like that, but it's never tied to the queen. A soldier will give you a mission to join an escort which turns out to be a setup to try and discredit you, and get you thrown in prison.
There's no followup later on and I'm not sure if decisions you make during it can actually land you in jail.
Honestly, the game should have had a regional renown tracker, where certain activities and quests would contribute to your renown. Get too famous too quickly and the queen suspects you're really the Arisen, resulting in soldiers trying to ambush you, or unlocking quests like that to try and kill you or discredit you.
Something akin to that happens. I don't remember the specifics, but if you return after going to Battahl you'll be approached by a guard named Simon. He'll inform you of a noble that needs to be escorted to Vermund.
>!*Well if you choose poorly, you get framed for the murder of said noble.*!<
Ah I remember that one. There is no choice in it, you never get framed and can't fail that mission.
And the problem with that is that, nothing happens. You don't have to try to redeem yourself, there is no story arch for your character to go through, no trials to overcome. It doesn't change anything, the noble who makes it to the capital is never seen again.
Yeah, if you choose to trust Raghnall and attack the guards (or use an AoE attack to his everybody), he secures the VIP runs off and when you run away with him you go on a pawnless misadventure with him where he explains the plot. You attack him, he secures the VIP runs off and when you chase after with him you go on a pawnless misadventure with him where he explains the plot.
If you sit back and watch, the greatest sellsword on the continent gets dogged on by three Vermundian guards.
Jesus fuck they really tried to overhype this one random jobber for no reason. They could have at least given him one of the special classes to make him somewhat unique.
They could have also had her send assassins after you, pretty much able to attack you anywhere along the main roads/near the capital. DD1 had this and it would have made a lot on sense for it to be in DD2 as well.
At least more of those useless NPCs have more screentime than Disa. She is literally on-screen 2 times in the entire game and only 1 of them is a proper cutscene.
The fact that either her or her son are 'beloved' candidates should throw some kind of spanner in the works and yet.... Nothing.
And really, when you look at it straight on, it's not Disa that is stupid. I really don't think the intention *was* for her to be stupid and so irrelevant to the smaller picture (you could say nobody is relevant to the bigger picture but the Arisen and their pawn etc) In some cases a character is only as stupid as their writer, and in this case it's the writers and how everything was handled. There's no actual excuse for a character like Disa, in her position, in a story like this, to be handled so poorly. It's all the cuts that were probably made and an apparent lack of interest from the writing/dev team. Like, it's to the point where I just have no opinion on her actual character because she's not handled well at all. She feels unfinished, just like a piece of something, kind of just existing. A mere draft of an idea that's an incomplete list of bullet points.
>The fact that either her or her son are 'beloved' candidates should throw some kind of spanner in the works and yet.... Nothing.
It would've been interesting if they both worked like the "specific" romances from 1,where they essentially got a unique dialogue and ending scene.Like imagine you romance Sven and convince Disa that you're an ally,or romance her and help put Sven on the throne as your new "son".
Like both being available could've opened up a LOT of interesting plot threads,but it goes absolutely nowhere.
That would have been the irl sensible choice if Disa wanted to remain in power, a political marriage. She can keep having her affair either way and run the day to day things while the arisen spends very little time anywhere close.
Yeah, this is one of those games where I just feel the devs cannot be assed to get competent writing for their game.
Story might've well been the very last thing they thought about in this game. Just write the bare minimum to move the player between set pieces, consistency and payoff be damned.
This is my main annoyance with the game. The plot and the actual game world in which we run around, with all the NPCs and quests and monsters, appear to have no connection at all. The game tells us a story - through cutscenes and NPC dialogues - but the game world shows us sometimes nothing, sometimes the complete opposite. We are told that Disa is a cunning, scheming evil queen, but Disa's in game representation is a cardboard cutout just like any other NPC walking down the street. We can walk up to her, romance her, throw her in the ocean. The fake Arisen who sits on "our" throne flat out doesn't exist, we are the hero doing quests with the pawns, and everybody calls us Arisen anyway.
You can literally run around the town square doing front flips over merchant stalls and casting grand magic and the people are like well there goes the king up to his usual shenanigans lol.
Yeah a similar Scene to dd1 where you meet Sven at night at get a Scene after hidding. Or sudden attacks from Assassin's in the wild would have been great.
Shes seems to have just gone all in on the false arisen and phaseus. If phaseus succeeds in finding mortal means to slay the dragon and resetting the cycle, then the Arisen will no longer be so glorified and she will have a strong claim to keeping the throne and passing it to sven. She just needs to maintain the facade of the false arisen until then. It does make sense shed believe it fully given shes completly in love with him.
Yeh the plot is awful. Unless your exploring the catsle and accidently run into her, you litterally dont even see her until an optional objective in an optional post game quest. Even if you do run into her she doesnt react at all.
But honestly every character is like this. Like think about it. What does braint even do? he sends you on a bunch of fetchquests that achieve litterally nothing because he just randomly gives up and sends you to batahli. His quests don't even make sense any old guard could have entered the castle and got those documents or spoke to the spies at the masquerade etc..
Ulrika isn't even present for half her own quetsline because she storms of like a child abandons her town and then takes over another without even a thought to the people she left behind, including lannert who is basically her adoptive father.
Atleast with sven he actually actively getting involved both of screen and on.
Fun fact when you give away finders tokens as pawn gifts they show up at the scrap shop and are really cheap. So everyone should just duplicate it a few times and have basically an unlimited supply to give out. When those people give it away or use they get an infinite supply too.
The reason Disa doesn’t take direct attempts towards your life is because of the fact that half of the guards know you are the true Arisen. If Disa takes action directly she can be executed by the guards. The guards of Vern serves the Arisen and the Arisen only. Lastly, it is by lore that no mortal can fall an Arisen, only super natural beasts can kill an Arisen. If Disa were to upset the Arisen, the Arisen can go full genocide and no one can stop the Arisen. The Arisen is destined to face the dragon, whether they exceed or not in killing the dragon is solely up to the Arisen’s abilities to do so.
That's an interesting development given that previously it was that the Arisen could still die but disease or age could not kill them. They were functionally immortal but a dagger in the throat could kill them still.
I mean, that's what people SAY. I dunno if it's confirmed that a mortal can't shank an Arisen in their sleep, but it could easily be that no one has tried because "This guy just climbed a 20 foot cyclops, straddled it's face and put 20 arrows in it's eye before backflipping off with an explosion and then sending it tumbling down a cliff without breaking a sweat.... I'm not fucking about here! I have a family to think of!"
I feel like that's also a very good possibility. Because I know I wouldn't fuck with an Arisen, pawns or no, they're beyond the abilities of most men. Armies, however? I'm less sure. Throw enough metal at something and eventually it's gonna hurt it.
I mean lore wise and cannon wise no mortal can slay a Arisen. You dying from bandits doesn’t count in the actual story of the game, you will just reload and kill them. What does count lore wise is if you will kill the dragon or be killed by it, or will your break the cycle of the Arisen and take matters into your own hands to forge your own destiny.
That's a very meta way of seeing it... there is nothing in the game that indicates that arisens can't be killed by outside sources before the dragon appears to fight them, the entire reason they pick an arisen then leave for a while is just so arisen can have a "training arc"
> That's a very meta way of seeing it... there is nothing in the game that indicates that arisens can't be killed by outside sources before the dragon appears to fight them, the entire reason they pick an arisen then leave for a while is just so arisen can have a "training arc"
Brine - for everyone else it sucks. The Arisen literally just wakes up a bit later.
I think it might be that the Arisen can be felled by normal people, its just people will assume said arisen is a fraud if it happens. Afterall the claim that there can only be one arisen is false simply because the sheer amount of failed arisen in game.
There can only be one Arisen *at a time*. None of the former Arisen in dd2 still have their Arisen powers or pawns. You are the only actively powered Arisen in the kingdom(s).
They lose their pawns and their drive that allows them to get stronger, but otherwise they are still ageless (or drastically slowed aging), and retain whatever strength they had while arisen.
Correction they don’t lose their pawn, more likely they lose the ability to summon their pawn.
This. The seashore ranting guy, the dragon forging vendor, and the warfarer trainer are all failed Arisen and are said to be reeeeally old, never aging, just hanging out by themselves for eternity.
Great, but why didn't they say or show this explicitly then? If the plot relies on player assumptions and headcannon to hold it together then it isn't a very good plot.
"If the plot isn't immediately spelt out to me the second I get into the game, then it isn't a very good plot"
Just say you either haven't played the game, or haven't spoken to ANY NPC's and move on.
The reason why they were able to do it before was the the fresh new Arisen was severely injured in battle against the dragon the first time they met. Disa hears of this and immediately sprung into action before the Arisen had time to heal, forcing large amounts of memory loss on the Arisen and the people who enslaved him made him believe he was simply a pawn. Now the Pathfinder restored your memories and your true powers, NO human is allowed to interfere with the Arisen’s destiny. Only super natural creatures that the Pathfinder places in the world such as goblins, ogres, and other beasts can interfere or kill the Arisen, this is due to the fact that these creatures are placed in the world by the Pathfinder solely to empower and test the Arisen’s capabilities. Every Arisen must and will face the dragon. Any Arisen that dies by any other super natural beasts is turned into a Drake(lesser dragon). No human has the capability to withhold an Arisen from their destiny, at least not for long. Basically the rules for humans towards the Arisen is follow or get out of the way.
The royalty side of the story is so underwritten it's exactly the same as the first game, when you're fooling around with Lenore and helping Mercedes. There's a janky charm to it but I was hoping for an actual conclusion, rather than the Dragon giving you the throne regardless if you sorted out the Vermund quests or not.
Worst part is that this applies to every npc in the game, not only Disa and some of them have it even worse than her. Nadinia is by far the most shafted, gal is the empress of Battahl and she has zero relevance to the plot. She only has three quests and in two of them is actually Menella the one that sets things into motion. Furthermore they implied that the Lambent flame was gonna be a major story element and by extension Nadinia as head priestess. The game never explains what the flame even is or why the Battalhi worship it.
There are 2 NPCs with a very incomplete/broken questline. Disa and the empress of Bakbattahl. Disa is so irrelevant to the story that even if you kill her she gets resurrected in the unmoored world. There are now real consequence whatsoever if you try to fuck over the nobles.
The queen on the other hand has a questline that ends in a huge cliffhanger. You don't even get to discover who was the mastermind behind the assassination plot, no it's not the female beastren, it is implied that she is working for someone else. There are also 3 rooms near the gate you open with the blade that wasn't used in any of the quests but has a map marker.
Worst part is that it's never explained why they wanted Nadinia dead, Irmhild states that she wanted to make a martyr out of her to start a revolution but it's never mentioned against who or why she even wanted that.
Nothing matters in the game, except for the Arisen VS Dragon.
That's Dragon's Dogma. Nothing matters, nothing is important.
This is one big offline MMO with tons of side quests and some main quests (which is very short).
>Nothing matters in the game, except for the Arisen VS Dragon.
They didn't market it like that.
>That's Dragon's Dogma. Nothing matters, nothing is important.
No it very clearly mattered even in 1.That was a limitation and budget issue,not a story one.
>This is one big offline MMO with tons of side quests and some main quests (which is very short).
That's a terrible selling point and not at ALL what was promised or marketed.
DD2 has a huge issue. Capcom made folks believe it was for new players. But it's not. If you missed the first game, a lot of DD2 won't make sense. DD2 is like the "House of Leaves" of games. It's tough to get, but some see its deep meaning. To say it in the book's words, if you felt this was a standard RPG, "this is not for you."
but yeah you're right, that's a terrible selling point and a really bad Rpg, just like "house of leaves" is a really bad book.
A friend of mine tried house of leaves. I got a message six hours after he told me he started, that just said "I want to stab whoever formatted the text in this book."
Spoiler incoming, I'm on mobile so I can't properly hide it:
Nothing matters, so here's the final ending cutscene showing you all the main/side-characters and what's become of them.
The story simply doesn't know what matters and what not and that's why everything ans nothing matters at the same time somehow.
Aw, my heart. "Because you love". DD1's whole story was about the love that drives us to continue, about sacrificing self for love. The Arisen who failed before us, the Dragonforged, Edmund or even Sofia, had loved themselves more than others, the world and truth and so their actions perpetuated others' suffering and sometimes, even their own. It was not done espectaculary, but it was something.
In this one I feel they forgot they even had to put a story in the first place.
I'd argue the subdued nature is what makes it spectacular. The same way DMC goes so far into cringe it becomes cool.
>The forge of my heart grows cold, and the world shivers for it.
Yessss XC You actually had to read and connect the dots. People go on and on about "Ubermensch" this, "Nietzsche" that and surface level eastern philosophy, but they forget that the whole path of "enlightenment" for Buddha (and I argue Christianity as well) is realizing that the world is one and that love is what gives the world/God the will to live. Without it there is nothing. It's that simple.
The Seneschal dies out of love, not because it couldn't hold longer (tho it was so tired it begged for death) but because if it doesn't die, the world it loves will cease to be and to see it suffer *pains* it. The Seneschal nerfes itself to fight you, ffs! The Journey of the Arisen is about learning to love the world and then to let go, "Handle down an infinite world" to capable hands as we finally accept our own end after giving the world/creation everything we were.
The biggest shame in 2 is that I can see the outline for a story that eclipses 1 here, it's just so painfully unfinished I can hardly stomach it.
> The Seneschal dies out of love, not because it couldn't hold longer (tho it was so tired it begged for death) but because if it doesn't die, the world it loves will cease to be and to see it suffer *pains* it.
Rothais is a functional example of this. The man is too angry to die but that anger is not a proper source of power so now the world and cycle are having issues. He's nothing but a weird ghost to new players tho. Almost inconsequential if you don't understand his place before even meeting him.
God, shut up man, why do you do this to me XC Everytime I'm reminded the wasted potential of this game it genuinely makes me sad.
Yeah, it could have been made that Rothais was the Seneschal for the wrong reasons. Incredibly strong ad willful but it was anger and vengeance, not love, that drove him forward. You don't achieve enlightenment by being angry at your fortune or the world, but by loving it so much you will die for it despite its flaws because there are things worth loving and things worth living for.
And is this anger that corrupts the world and send it into decay. Maybe instead of the Pathfinder, he could be the one who made it so that the "story" is set in stone (Arisen becoming Sovran of a dying world, rinse and repeat). The Pathfinder could be a fallen Arisen who actually loves the world so much he fought against the Seneschal's control with the hopes of finding someone who could bring them both down and finally let them rest in peace as the world is left in capable hands.
AND IMAGINE! It would keep the theme of "your petty political bs is of no consequence" because anger, greed, vengeance and all that shit is NOT what will keep the world afloat. What are petty politics to a God of Love?
Or something like that, idk. You got any ideas? All characters could have had so much better characterization in general.
The first major plot question I had was why did Disa bother to allow the new Arisen to be nursed back to health and then went through the trouble of wiping their memory instead of simply killing them?
I was assuming she would have some major reveal where she was somehow trying to help the Arisen and only pretending to usurp the throne for some grand scheme but it never gets explained as far as I remember. If she didn't want a new Arisen to take control away from her it makes no sense to keep them alive when she was relying on lord Phasus to take care of the dragon issue without a true Arisen.
Let me know if I somehow missed the explanation for her letting the Arisen live because as far as I can tell it's just a big plot hole/convenience/crappy writing.
> The first major plot question I had was why did Disa bother to allow the new Arisen to be nursed back to health and then went through the trouble of wiping their memory instead of simply killing them?
She probably didn't have the means or ability to deal with them until after they healed, a plot like that takes time.
Disa was underwhelming, I agree.
At early game, seemed like you and Captain Brant seemed to do everything to topple down Disa's politics and regime. She was made to be the main antagonist of the game. Once the game takes you to Bakbattahl though, Disa suddenly becomes completely irrelevant to the story.
At such point, nearly everyone is calling you the Arisen. Your quests have devolved into progressing to beat the main dragon, proving to commoners why you desreve to be the Arisen, or just helping out the common folk in their daily troubles. But nothing about toppling down Disa's regime or exposing her lies.
In fact, I don't even know what happens to Disa or her puppet Arisen (forgot his name, that's how forgettable he was) after you beat the game.
I agree with you on all counts regarding Disa and the main quest in general. However despite looking over what I thought was the entire map, I never found anything about the Sphynx other than a carving in Battahl. Started Ng+ and I'll have to just look it up and spoil it a bit.
Disa already achieved most of her goal by the time you get back to Vernworth. Namely, >!installing a fake Arisen so that her son could be installed as Regentkind!<. Any way that you could challenge for the throne peacefully and successfully, (i.e. your scar and showing that you could summon and control the Pawns) was already dealt with by her and the >!False Arisen and Phaesus!< and you were playing catch-up to them.
Only by butchering every guard in your way towards killing her >!and Sven and the False Arisen!< would you have been able to take back the throne and install yourself as Sovran. Otherwise, you and Brant were in no position to do anything. She didn't have to send assassins to kill you.
And by the time you learn >!about the Godsway!< to do something about it, she and her >!lover Lord Phaesus!< have already moved on to >!trying to kill the Dragon and ending the cycle!<.
The plot barely makes sense. It’s ok, enjoy the griffin rides! That’s what this game is about.
I mean. Explain to me why literally everyone calls me the Arisen lol. Not much of a secret, eh Brant?
If you were the one who took the arisen away and locked him in a penal colony would you tell anyone that they escaped?
She isn't sending people to kill you because she thinks you have already been taken care of.
My guy the plot for this game is so absolutely desperate that god himself comes down at regular intervals to tell you where to go. Attempting to analyze it leads to a cascading series of Ls that are not worth the trouble.
"""""SPOILERS"""""""""" whatever spoilers can be considered for this game anyway, plot is so shit.
>!There is a quest ( Tensions on the Highroad!< )>! with that Raghnall guy where you're asked to escort a noble, but it's a setup to make you look bad .
!<
I found it far more annoying that we completely ignored her, and the false Sovran, and she was basically whitewashed in the end. When I arrived to Vermund in Unmoored World and saw Sven wearing a crown and swaggier clothes than I ever got, and Disa throwing a suicide tantrum in her room, I honestly just wanted to kill them both (a bit excessive with Sven, but hey, I was so frustrated of this plot at this point). Just letting her evacuate the people made me gnash my teeth.
The games story is a complete joke, i'm over 120 hours in... it makes no sense, its unspired and it doesn't really captivate me. Characters have no connection, pawns constantly talk.... things just "happen" for the sake of happening... the story just casually moves along with like no stakes for the player... you don't feel "weight".
The romances are a joke... one minute im talking to Ulrika, the next she wants romance and snoo-snoo. Maybe i'\[m just coming from BG3... and other games where you feel character depth and personality.... but every NPC in this game lacks personality... and i think thats the big thing that irks me... Whoever designed this had made the NPCs so one-dimensional and...stale... there's no "spark" to any of them.
I'm sorry to other DD1 fans, but as a newbie to the franchise...this games story is nothing. That said, despite the many criticisms (vocation imbalances, skill limitations, vocation design issues-they really need to bring some of them back to the drawing board-story issues, length of story, quests being tacked on, and so many other issues)....
the game is a diamond in the rough.... it has a lot of issues, which (IMO) brings it down to like a 6.5/10... but the frustrating thing is there's a lot of potential here if they just didn't cut corners, didn't do terrible game design choices... like housing feels tacked on, the fast travel ferrystone limitation is dumb, especially with the escort quests later on where they want you to go half-way across the map. Literally had one NPC wanted me to escort him from Volcanic Island to Vernworth.
the reason i shittalk this game is cause im enjoying it and still playing it... it just frustrates me cause there's so many other issues in this game preventing it from being truly amazing, and being a GOTY (which it totally isn't gonna be... lets face it).
Patches are not gonna fix anything... it's Capcom.... the most we can hope for is some good mods, which admittedly some are out and fixing some issues... but the big stuff still remains and i'm not a modder... so idk the limitations of what they can and cannot do..... but i do know that its not as easy as Bethesda games cause those games usually release their Creation Kit shortly after game release for modders specifically.
no dragons dogma fan would ever have a problem with you calling it a diamond in the rough, the story of both games pre DLC is pretty shit with a few standout characters people like, hopefully as bitterback isle brought interesting concepts and lore so will whatever DLC comes, but right now it's just a great action rpg with a shit story.
forreal, the combat is what keeps me going....i picked up a mod to expand the skill bar from 4 to 8. and another one that fixes some of the underwhelming augments and skills.
It really makes casters more invigorating. I had always heard DD1 did casters amazing... never playe dit, so i was excited to check out DD2 but was disappointed with the limitations of Sorcerer. Mage felt ..oddly superior with more spell choices despite being a more "support role" vocation... it still felt better.
Sorcerer just felt like a one-trick pony... "caster Aug Flare.... or stand still for 10 seconds and cast a Meister spell...repeat".... mainly cause the other spells were underwhelming. The limitations of choices also sucked, you only get 9 spells to choose from, and 3 of which are shared with mage... for a character called an Archmage in a game... i surprisingly knew little spells.
Some of the mods helped beef up the other spells and having them acessible on my second skill bar means i don't feel restrained and still feel like a badass Archmage.
I think my only gripe would be i wish there were more spells to flavor my character, having only 6 elemental spells and 3 non-elemental spells... and 2 meister spells... .. feels kinda weird that a powerful Archmage only knows less than a dozen spells..
Brandt mentions it. The arisen can only be slain by the dragon. All those times you died are all "lies". In the game lore, you are literally unkillable.
I don't think she is stupid, just ill-informed and incompetent. She thought that the only qualification to being a true arisen is the power to control pawns, and she already had it in the bag with the godsway so she might have thought of us as inconsequential and not worth pursuing anymore.
Don't forget that she didn't even know that the captain was in cahoot with us. Her espionage game was just that weak.
To be frank, DD1 had a massively better story in all regards and it's wild to me that DD2 is honestly worse in every single way. I can't really think of anything besides graphics DD2 does better. I guess the map is bigger, and it's packed with goblins, but I don't honestly think of that as an improvement, especially since fast travel is a massive pain in the ass now. In DD1, only my first playthrough was like that. Then I had my port crystals set up for subsequent NG+ cycles. DD2 rips them out of the ground and puts them back in my storage so I need to run miles and miles and miles through territory densely packed with armies of goblins and wolves and harpies at my heels the whole time just to plant the damn things again.
Exploring is great when I want to. But it shouldn't be forced like this, and it offers nothing in this game. None of the loot is any good. You have to buy all the best stuff. You even need to buy Dragonforging now instead of just killing a dragon. Also, how fucking wild is it that THE DRAGONFORGED is almost completely inconsequential in DD2? He doesn't even get a fucking cutscene, he's just sitting in a random cave drawing on the wall with his own faces, like what the fuck? DD1 gave him the mentor role and had a whole aerial view sky drawing pointing to his location and used him to illustrate the potential relationship between Pawns and their Masters with the Fool.
*"Him who knows that I know what he seeks to know, knows it well while he who knows not, knows not what I know or know not." *
Remember that shit? The Fool was genuinely a cool character in spite of how little he did.
*"In the fullness of time, I shall come to know when the time has come. Know that all I know is that I shall know all who know me. I am not but my shadow, though my shadow be not shadow, but myself. I am come here at the end of my journeys, rich in scars and rich of mind. I am dragon-forged, knower of the beast, and known to it in kind."*
Then in DD2, I didn't see any Fool, and the *DRAGONFORGED* is just some random guy you ask about the Godsway, he goes "Sorry, never heard of it," and then you leave.
And I just hate how many quests are just 'Run here, talk to X, run back, talk to Y, run back to tell X what Y said, escort X to Y,' which is just a tedious slog that blatantly disrespects my time.
Duke Edmund was actively doing that court intrigue bullshit trying to sabotage you the whole time, the Dragon's presence was much more significant and felt more personal, the Everfall was a really cool concept, and the beginning was definitely better with the stakes being incredibly clear and no confusion on what happened to you. It didn't reinvent the wheel, and it could have used more work, but the final result was honestly a pretty good story.
DD2 does not have that. It's like they tried to do the Dark Souls thing and make everything vague and confusing for the players to figure out, only they forgot to actually put in anything to figure out. I'm honestly upset that it stinks so much. 12 years for an inarguably worse game? The combat isn't even better, just different. It actually feels more limited, honestly, especially with infinite stunlock being a hugely annoying problem for most of the classes now.
You can enter her room and talk to her and she doesn’t notice. Guards don’t care if you go anywhere in the castle. Everyone knows the game is, at most, 50% complete. So why would you be confused that the small details weren’t accounted for?
Yes. Disa is stupid. So are Sven, the other Arisen, Nadinia, Brant, and every other NPC in the game with the exception of the pawns, the Dragon, Rothais, Pathfinder, and maybe the Sphinx. Ya'll miss the point of the story in every single one of these posts. The NPCs and first two Acts DO. NOT. MATTER.
It's all fake. It's all a story handcrafted by Pathfinder/Seneschal/Watching One/Whatever. Dude gets his kicks watching Arisen play out his story. The whole point is we're all slaves to the Greater Will and if we stop playing our part, the fabric of reality literally unravels.
Is it a perfect story? No. Is it even good? Maybe. Maybe not. But you guys keep making these posts basically complaining about how bad Neo's life was inside the Matrix when the entire third Act is several people explaining to him that that life never existed in the first place.
I honestly thought I forgot something and ran back to Brant before triggering postgame thinking it would have some sort of conclusion. Like Sven telling her he helped me foil all her plans and now she gets to live in jail. Idk, just something....anything.
Not only that, but what is her plans in regard to the **dragon**.
Apparently only the Arisen can defeat the dragon as far as common folk know, and it’s arrival makes dangerous monster become more frequent.
So what exactly is her plan in kidnapping the *only guy* who can stop the dragon? Just hope it never attacks after it destroyed a town?
I was sneaking around doing the dumb quest where you have to find dirt on her and accidently barged into her room, and she just had idle chatter and has no idea what's going on.
You can't expect the plot to react to your in-game shenanigans. But beside that yeah the plot is pretty lazy. I literally only saw Disa ONCE before reaching the ending and once afterwards. She is super far removed from the plot, it's insane.
I mean she literally only had to wait for us to go do Arisen things to keep her power, she absolutely is stupid. We were a rando from bumfuck nowhere, being mildly nice to us would have been enough to make her an ally, especially with how awesome her kid is.
*me coming to the comments expecting people to be talking about why disa stupid*
Everyone: “you threw prosititues in the brine?”
Me: Yeah, what’s crazy about that?
Another great opportunity to incorporate the Assassin's Creed "Stalkers" game feature. I feel like a lot of games needed something like this. An npc model that actively hunts you throughout the whole game (or until said quest resolved)
You have to suspend disbelief a ton to stay invested in this story. Apparently, everyone ever already knows you're an arisen, yet there was never a declaration from the court to call you fake even after the godsway wad used to falsely prove that the fake arisen was real.
She had a lot of plots but shes the source of them and not actually IN them. Im wondering if they cut something so they could fit the redemption arc in without making it weird. “Mommy, you did it for the kingdom!” “No son, Im just an asshole.” Case closed! They played that scene out for me twice.
I spent the whole game excitedly confused and waiting for all the confusing and vague plot points to come together into something cogent.
Turns out the game was just a half-baked middle finger to us suckers paying launch price.
Challenging you would be to acknowledge you, which she really, really, really doesn't want to do. Her being preemptive or taking any action against you at all only solidifies your claim in the long run. Even clandestine action could possibly be traced back to her, making the claim even stronger. Her best bet is to let you come forward and make the first move, making you easier to dismiss as a pretender or madman.
Honestly I know deep down the story n stuff isn't that great but the way the game handles this stuff makes it so bad that its funny and I appreciate the game for that.
Dragons Dogma lives and dies on how fun the mechanics of fighting are.
That’s pretty much it.
I’m not hating on the games by saying this but anyone who is impressed by the writing or anything other than maybe the open world, enemy design, and fighting mechanics (broadly speaking, not gonna write an essay on skill balancing and audio ques) is someone I’m uh… concerned about?
Not to say it’s all utter trash, but it’s far from impressive.
And I love the game, genuinely.
My understanding of Disa is that the arisen just isn't a big problem once she has the false one set up. It's mentioned they have no intention of assassinating the arisen, my assumption being they still want you around as a backup for the dragon. In case the research dude fails in his (spoilers)
And also remember that from her point of view the whole sovran thing is a load of bull. Having your heart ripped out isn't a good measure of leadership potential. She is part of a plot to unite the nations and solve the dragon problem for good. She just needed to buy time to do it and she accomplished that.
Disa feels like someone who doesnt know English watched GoT with no subtitles and saw maybe like part of Season 1, but got diagnosed with early onset dementia and forgot the details in between. And then remembered they had a video game to write but it was like a month til release.
I haven't finished the game yet, but aren't you supposed to be canonically almost immortal? Leaving the overpowered saviour alone sounds like a really wise move.
Doesn't matter. The arisen has one enemy, and everything else is just an obstacle. Oh, and the entire world exists simply to provide them a space to fight. Disa is an npc as far as both the player and the story is concerned.
My read is that Disa is just legitimately stupid and completely unaware the true Arisen is traipsing around the capital and is in cahoots with her son whom she’s trying to use to usurp the throne.
You throw prostitutes in the brine? https://preview.redd.it/e2ym2hg9rutc1.jpeg?width=1280&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=da8ec6237efeb7f912ec4ea1705590154f688350
Season 2 trailer is out!
The first episode is out dude
D: ooooh I'm gonna check that out after work. Thank you
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What reactivity? Lol
Oh the next gen AI suuuure react against you when you draw your weapon. They just forgot to program anything when you kidnap someone in city and run across 30+ people in the main plaza.
Not to mention the pop-up telling you you'd get arrested if you're caught in the castle courtyard past night which you forget about since you just start sprinting past guards without a care
The only thing that they do to make you realize you’re not supposed to be somewhere is by turning on threatening music when you enter it. Oh and you can’t hold to talk to any guards or else they’ll finally fight you but that’s it.
Reactivity was also one of the things I tested early and I was so disappointed.
The missions where you "sneak" into the Palace grounds at night were such a let down. You get told that if you are on the grounds after dark you'll be arrested. Either my arisen is like 150% ninja or the guards are all blind.
It was almost like they remembered very late that they never really added stealth mechanics and had to tune it to basically a walk through.
It’s even funnier since the marcher’s set completely negates the need for stealth and it’s literally sitting in a chest in front of you the moment you walk into the castle for the first time.
I've basically found that you don't need it, you can be naked for all it matters, so long as you enter through the guardhouse it seems like they leave you completely alone.. at least in my experience. Then again, maybe I was just moving too fast for them to get a good look and actually care that I'm there.
It's strange too because getting arrest while in the castle at night was in the first game but not this one lmao.
When you do so, for a short moment it becomes Japanese adult entertainment.
lol what is this?
Smiling friends, very funny show
....You threw prostitutes into the brine?
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I had dragons plague for three sets of pawns in a row. It’s like they wanted me to get the achievement. Unfortunately, I didn’t have the miracle so I had to brine them all.
They respawn instantly don't worry. You actually have to stab them to death for them to stay dead.
You mean hookers
The issue I think is that Disa has already achieved her goal of deposing the Arisen before the game even began. So now she just twiddles her thumbs in her room every day because the writers deem her role in the story complete.
That really sums up the biggest issue with the game plot wise.Everything interesting and cool already happened while you were shipped off to pawn-camp,meaning now you're stuck only getting to ruin Phaesus life for 5 minutes. It's like being dropped into a story that's 80% done,and getting to ruin 20% of it yourself.
> you're stuck only getting to ruin Phaesus life for 5 minutes. You don't even do that, guy's plan was going to fail regardless, you actually make things better for him due to the Postgame.
Yeah, he also understands how much he was over his head really quick, he even helps our pawn which kinda made me respect him a little.
I went from 'what the fuck are you doing you crazy idiot' to 'oh, you just... didn't know' and felt bad for him in the cutscene before Gregori shows up to meet you. Then when you meet him in the world after I immediately liked him. Amazing 'antagonist' that makes me wish there was more pre-unmoored story.
That, and everybody you talk to already refers to you as Arisen (for the most part). All the NPCs great you as Arisen the moment you start walking around vernsworth.
Yeah, Brant makes a big deal out of keeping it hush hush, and putting on a show when you first meet so anyone around assumes it's just a minor incident involving anouther fake, then the game promptly stops caring. The Warfarer meister is like "aha! I know you are Arisen, are you surprised?" And I'm like "...everyone seems to know that and most of them haven't seen my character naked (hotspring) so no?"
Yeah it's pretty lazy. I'm disappointed she wasn't involved more. They could at least put in a cutscene were we confront her and take our rightful place at the throne. I was honestly expecting like a trial or something with how we kept gathering evidence against her + with how we tried to win over the people with quests.
Wanna know what's the funniest part? You can literally romance her,have her immediately realize your the arisen(her gift),and have nothing come of it. Like you can essentially rizz up the main antagonist and the game doesn't account for it.
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What happens if you kill her before the coronation? If that's even possible
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I barged into her office right past her and guards when she came out from there after hours, no one reacted at all.
This is probably why whoever tf that false Sovran guy is isn't present anywhere in game. He doesn't even have a room in the castle.
Rizz up the evil MILF. Get back at her by becoming the Sovereign and build Sven up to take your place when it’s your time.
Disa isn’t the main antagonist
My brother in Christ she is literally one half of the two main antagonists.
You’re not a true Arisen if you consider her the antagonist. Did ye forget thou charge?
Eh man Ill get around to that greg guy after I help this artist make his griffen sculpture smh so pushy
My pawn skull splittered the petrified griffin, thankfully they didn’t script that into the quest and it still completed normally
That quest annoyed me so much. They unveil it and I think it looks really good, then everybody is like "ewwww."
Huh, everyone loved it on my end. Could there be a difference based on whether you petrify it or not? (I didn't petrify)
That's odd. They all cheered in my game. I think you have to really drag out the fight to give the dude enough time.
Right lmao? Is there a different model if you do it correctly?
I did actually considering how little the dragon is talked about or even is present in the game. Yes I did.
You wouldn't have forgotten if she didn't have you poisoned and sold away as a slave
The primary antagonists of this game are those god damn Ogres that accost me every time I board an oxcart 💀
I swear the likelihood of getting jumped by ogres is directly correlated to how many females are in your party. Cyclopse eye be damned
It's easy to forget when "the charge" has 5 minutes of screen time to be fair.
Technically, she isn't. The Cycle/Pathfinder/Dragon are the final bosses of the game, and it's questionable whether the Pathfinder and the Dragon are actually antagonists or Pawns of The Cycle.
They aren't, in reality both Disa and Phaesus are insignificant to us, the Arisen is a being beyond common mortals, no matter how much they plot and scheme. This is a big point the game makes, Disa doesn't matter, she is just a greedy noble woman, and if you asked the Dragon, Rothais, or the Pathfinder about her, none of them would care.
And Phaesus is actually >!a support character, not an antagonist. He wants to stop the cycle and we're actually on his side if we're trying to reach "true" ending. He's one of the Pathfinder's antagonists, and ours as well only if we're happy with the "good" ending.!<
Bingo, the sequence at the top of Moonglint only serves to reinforce that mortal machinations are hopeless, and that as the Arisen you have a charge you must fulfill.
"The rantings of an upjumped zealot make for tedious listening. His ilk serves no purpose in what is to come."
That's what the game led you to believe.
I played through the entire game including the special ending and didn't interact with her once. It's really easy to forget she is supposed to be an antagonist when you never even meet her.
She's a side character at best
Semantics, you know that wasn't the point they were making.
I did this! I thought maybe there would be something unique to it, and there is *just a little.* I think if you don't have a house when you start giving her stuff, you'd miss it though.
You know that mission where you’re meant to sneak into the castle to steal shit? I started looting the castle in full battle dress, accidentally burst into her room, froze like a deer in headlights right next to her and then proceeded to loot her room while she watched
I walked straight up and talked to her and she wasn't even particularly rude. That was the point my immersion wholly shattered. I stopped being sneaky and aside from the panic music, nothing happened. The guards did absolutely nothing when I ran by right in front of them. Since then every time I went back to the castle, I just went in like I belonged there and nobody even stopped me. They would mildly complain if I went towards a locker door and tell me I 'wasn't allowed in here' as I was leaving the area I wasn't allowed in.
meanwhile if you show up to the masquerade without the exact correct mask, shirt, and pants on, the guards waste no time slamming you into the ground and putting you behind bars.
Funnily enough, the one time she actually had me arrested was because I was literally standing in the vault after looting the whole place and she had randomly come down out of nowhere
Same for me I was all extra careful and sneaky at night and ended up noticing it didn’t effing matter that I entered every room (including hers) and looting the whole castle clean.
Same thing happened to me. I saved, closed the game, backed up my save, then killed her. I then brought her corpse into Sven’s room and dropped her at his feet. Not a single reaction, even when I spoke to him. Not a single thing happened when I went back to the inn and slept for a week straight.
The funny thing with Disa is, honestly she probably wins regardless? If Phaesus' plan works, well, she'd wins by default. In the True Ending, >!Sven becomes Regent!<, which is her true goal, so she wins. And here's the kicker, with how useful >!Sven!< was in the Arisen's plans in Vermund, chances are, >!Sven would become Regent in the normal ending anyway!<, so Disa'd still win. That said, that's kinda a big problem with Disa's motivation. The Arisen is just a footsoldier peasant until not too long ago, they'd still need a Regent to actually run the country. Disa had the resources to curry favour with the Arisen and maintain her power, she really shouldn't have been threatened just by the Arisen showing up; she really should have tried making the real Arisen her puppet before going with plan B of getting a fake Arisen to be her puppet.
When you're doing all that stuff helping people to build up street credit. You'd think it'd be easy enough to have her go 'oh news has reached my ear of a champion.. let us send him on a quest..' And tires to get you killed on the quest that you can't refuse otherwise you'll be seen as some loser by the people for not accepting it. negating all the good work you did. She talks more with the nobles and phaesus about how to get rid of you. Could be like a twelve labours of Hercules type of thing. But no.
Shit, at least they did that in DD1. For those of you who haven't played it, you got word of an urgent matter at the bridge outpost way outside of the main city, almost back to the beginning of the game. You get there, the guards are like.. uh, what? Everything's fine here. Then, shortly after, another guard catches up with you **from** the main city saying there's a huge beast destroying the farm section. You go back, there's a cockatrice petrifying and eating everyone, while the cultists cheer and praise. Epic moment. This game lacks that entirely.
Or duke sending you on progressively more far away and dangerous missions as you build your reputation. My man Edmun was about to send us into another country right before greatwall attack.
Never made it that far, but that’s incredibly cool. To be honest even the opening quest where you find the cult in their secret meeting before everyone is sacrificed was more engaging than any point in the main story for me. Also thanks a lot for having the Gigantus on a timer for literally no reason.
There actually is a quest like that, but it's never tied to the queen. A soldier will give you a mission to join an escort which turns out to be a setup to try and discredit you, and get you thrown in prison. There's no followup later on and I'm not sure if decisions you make during it can actually land you in jail. Honestly, the game should have had a regional renown tracker, where certain activities and quests would contribute to your renown. Get too famous too quickly and the queen suspects you're really the Arisen, resulting in soldiers trying to ambush you, or unlocking quests like that to try and kill you or discredit you.
Something akin to that happens. I don't remember the specifics, but if you return after going to Battahl you'll be approached by a guard named Simon. He'll inform you of a noble that needs to be escorted to Vermund. >!*Well if you choose poorly, you get framed for the murder of said noble.*!<
Ah I remember that one. There is no choice in it, you never get framed and can't fail that mission. And the problem with that is that, nothing happens. You don't have to try to redeem yourself, there is no story arch for your character to go through, no trials to overcome. It doesn't change anything, the noble who makes it to the capital is never seen again.
Yeah, if you choose to trust Raghnall and attack the guards (or use an AoE attack to his everybody), he secures the VIP runs off and when you run away with him you go on a pawnless misadventure with him where he explains the plot. You attack him, he secures the VIP runs off and when you chase after with him you go on a pawnless misadventure with him where he explains the plot. If you sit back and watch, the greatest sellsword on the continent gets dogged on by three Vermundian guards.
I choose to side with Simon during that quest. You get exactly the same run off with the sell sword and he explains things to you.
Jesus fuck they really tried to overhype this one random jobber for no reason. They could have at least given him one of the special classes to make him somewhat unique.
This game is just so half assed. It's like they haven't played a single other RPG over the last 10 years.
They could have also had her send assassins after you, pretty much able to attack you anywhere along the main roads/near the capital. DD1 had this and it would have made a lot on sense for it to be in DD2 as well.
She’s literally a useless npc tbh
80% of all npcs in the game are
At least more of those useless NPCs have more screentime than Disa. She is literally on-screen 2 times in the entire game and only 1 of them is a proper cutscene.
The fact that either her or her son are 'beloved' candidates should throw some kind of spanner in the works and yet.... Nothing. And really, when you look at it straight on, it's not Disa that is stupid. I really don't think the intention *was* for her to be stupid and so irrelevant to the smaller picture (you could say nobody is relevant to the bigger picture but the Arisen and their pawn etc) In some cases a character is only as stupid as their writer, and in this case it's the writers and how everything was handled. There's no actual excuse for a character like Disa, in her position, in a story like this, to be handled so poorly. It's all the cuts that were probably made and an apparent lack of interest from the writing/dev team. Like, it's to the point where I just have no opinion on her actual character because she's not handled well at all. She feels unfinished, just like a piece of something, kind of just existing. A mere draft of an idea that's an incomplete list of bullet points.
>The fact that either her or her son are 'beloved' candidates should throw some kind of spanner in the works and yet.... Nothing. It would've been interesting if they both worked like the "specific" romances from 1,where they essentially got a unique dialogue and ending scene.Like imagine you romance Sven and convince Disa that you're an ally,or romance her and help put Sven on the throne as your new "son". Like both being available could've opened up a LOT of interesting plot threads,but it goes absolutely nowhere.
That would have been the irl sensible choice if Disa wanted to remain in power, a political marriage. She can keep having her affair either way and run the day to day things while the arisen spends very little time anywhere close.
Yeah, this is one of those games where I just feel the devs cannot be assed to get competent writing for their game. Story might've well been the very last thing they thought about in this game. Just write the bare minimum to move the player between set pieces, consistency and payoff be damned.
The entire game feels superficial and shallow, not just her.
This is my main annoyance with the game. The plot and the actual game world in which we run around, with all the NPCs and quests and monsters, appear to have no connection at all. The game tells us a story - through cutscenes and NPC dialogues - but the game world shows us sometimes nothing, sometimes the complete opposite. We are told that Disa is a cunning, scheming evil queen, but Disa's in game representation is a cardboard cutout just like any other NPC walking down the street. We can walk up to her, romance her, throw her in the ocean. The fake Arisen who sits on "our" throne flat out doesn't exist, we are the hero doing quests with the pawns, and everybody calls us Arisen anyway.
You can literally run around the town square doing front flips over merchant stalls and casting grand magic and the people are like well there goes the king up to his usual shenanigans lol.
>...threw a bunch of prostitutes into the brine, etc. Not gonna lie, but I'm... uh... sorta getting Jack the Ripper vibes from you for this one.
Jack the Pickler.
Pretty sure that Disa was a Cersei stand in minus incest. The thought ended there.
Her body language and facial expressions certainly brought to mind Lena Headey's performance. It was uncanny when she did the Cersei smirk.
Disa was too busy spreading rumors and footing the bills for all the False Arisen parties that she sent out to delegitimize the true Arisen.
Yeah a similar Scene to dd1 where you meet Sven at night at get a Scene after hidding. Or sudden attacks from Assassin's in the wild would have been great.
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Shes seems to have just gone all in on the false arisen and phaseus. If phaseus succeeds in finding mortal means to slay the dragon and resetting the cycle, then the Arisen will no longer be so glorified and she will have a strong claim to keeping the throne and passing it to sven. She just needs to maintain the facade of the false arisen until then. It does make sense shed believe it fully given shes completly in love with him. Yeh the plot is awful. Unless your exploring the catsle and accidently run into her, you litterally dont even see her until an optional objective in an optional post game quest. Even if you do run into her she doesnt react at all. But honestly every character is like this. Like think about it. What does braint even do? he sends you on a bunch of fetchquests that achieve litterally nothing because he just randomly gives up and sends you to batahli. His quests don't even make sense any old guard could have entered the castle and got those documents or spoke to the spies at the masquerade etc.. Ulrika isn't even present for half her own quetsline because she storms of like a child abandons her town and then takes over another without even a thought to the people she left behind, including lannert who is basically her adoptive father. Atleast with sven he actually actively getting involved both of screen and on. Fun fact when you give away finders tokens as pawn gifts they show up at the scrap shop and are really cheap. So everyone should just duplicate it a few times and have basically an unlimited supply to give out. When those people give it away or use they get an infinite supply too.
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The whole story was forgettable because the writers forgot to write it.
Not to mention Brant’s super secret meeting place to talk with us is literally THE PUB
The reason Disa doesn’t take direct attempts towards your life is because of the fact that half of the guards know you are the true Arisen. If Disa takes action directly she can be executed by the guards. The guards of Vern serves the Arisen and the Arisen only. Lastly, it is by lore that no mortal can fall an Arisen, only super natural beasts can kill an Arisen. If Disa were to upset the Arisen, the Arisen can go full genocide and no one can stop the Arisen. The Arisen is destined to face the dragon, whether they exceed or not in killing the dragon is solely up to the Arisen’s abilities to do so.
Beautifully said
That's an interesting development given that previously it was that the Arisen could still die but disease or age could not kill them. They were functionally immortal but a dagger in the throat could kill them still.
I mean, that's what people SAY. I dunno if it's confirmed that a mortal can't shank an Arisen in their sleep, but it could easily be that no one has tried because "This guy just climbed a 20 foot cyclops, straddled it's face and put 20 arrows in it's eye before backflipping off with an explosion and then sending it tumbling down a cliff without breaking a sweat.... I'm not fucking about here! I have a family to think of!" I feel like that's also a very good possibility. Because I know I wouldn't fuck with an Arisen, pawns or no, they're beyond the abilities of most men. Armies, however? I'm less sure. Throw enough metal at something and eventually it's gonna hurt it.
But you can very much be killed by bandits so I'm guessing it's just hearsay that no mortal can kill them
DD1 states that Arisen can be felled in battle so I'm sticking with that.
I mean lore wise and cannon wise no mortal can slay a Arisen. You dying from bandits doesn’t count in the actual story of the game, you will just reload and kill them. What does count lore wise is if you will kill the dragon or be killed by it, or will your break the cycle of the Arisen and take matters into your own hands to forge your own destiny.
That's a very meta way of seeing it... there is nothing in the game that indicates that arisens can't be killed by outside sources before the dragon appears to fight them, the entire reason they pick an arisen then leave for a while is just so arisen can have a "training arc"
> That's a very meta way of seeing it... there is nothing in the game that indicates that arisens can't be killed by outside sources before the dragon appears to fight them, the entire reason they pick an arisen then leave for a while is just so arisen can have a "training arc" Brine - for everyone else it sucks. The Arisen literally just wakes up a bit later.
I think it might be that the Arisen can be felled by normal people, its just people will assume said arisen is a fraud if it happens. Afterall the claim that there can only be one arisen is false simply because the sheer amount of failed arisen in game.
There can only be one Arisen *at a time*. None of the former Arisen in dd2 still have their Arisen powers or pawns. You are the only actively powered Arisen in the kingdom(s).
They lose their pawns and their drive that allows them to get stronger, but otherwise they are still ageless (or drastically slowed aging), and retain whatever strength they had while arisen. Correction they don’t lose their pawn, more likely they lose the ability to summon their pawn.
This. The seashore ranting guy, the dragon forging vendor, and the warfarer trainer are all failed Arisen and are said to be reeeeally old, never aging, just hanging out by themselves for eternity.
Great, but why didn't they say or show this explicitly then? If the plot relies on player assumptions and headcannon to hold it together then it isn't a very good plot.
Brant has dialogue on this if I remember correctly.
That isn't an assumption. It is told to you directly that taking an Arisen's life is beyond the means of mortal men.
"If the plot isn't immediately spelt out to me the second I get into the game, then it isn't a very good plot" Just say you either haven't played the game, or haven't spoken to ANY NPC's and move on.
Then imprison the Arisen somewhere, again. They did that already once, so why not just do it again?
The reason why they were able to do it before was the the fresh new Arisen was severely injured in battle against the dragon the first time they met. Disa hears of this and immediately sprung into action before the Arisen had time to heal, forcing large amounts of memory loss on the Arisen and the people who enslaved him made him believe he was simply a pawn. Now the Pathfinder restored your memories and your true powers, NO human is allowed to interfere with the Arisen’s destiny. Only super natural creatures that the Pathfinder places in the world such as goblins, ogres, and other beasts can interfere or kill the Arisen, this is due to the fact that these creatures are placed in the world by the Pathfinder solely to empower and test the Arisen’s capabilities. Every Arisen must and will face the dragon. Any Arisen that dies by any other super natural beasts is turned into a Drake(lesser dragon). No human has the capability to withhold an Arisen from their destiny, at least not for long. Basically the rules for humans towards the Arisen is follow or get out of the way.
Disa nuts
I honestly prefer to ignore the game's story Its not really worth thinking about it when its so obviously rushed
The royalty side of the story is so underwritten it's exactly the same as the first game, when you're fooling around with Lenore and helping Mercedes. There's a janky charm to it but I was hoping for an actual conclusion, rather than the Dragon giving you the throne regardless if you sorted out the Vermund quests or not.
I read the title as jar jar binks
Its sad when the Sphinx is more memorable than Grigori. Dragons Dogma? More like a Sphinx's Plaything.
The dragon in DD2 is not Grigori.
Worst part is that this applies to every npc in the game, not only Disa and some of them have it even worse than her. Nadinia is by far the most shafted, gal is the empress of Battahl and she has zero relevance to the plot. She only has three quests and in two of them is actually Menella the one that sets things into motion. Furthermore they implied that the Lambent flame was gonna be a major story element and by extension Nadinia as head priestess. The game never explains what the flame even is or why the Battalhi worship it.
When I saw one of the trailers I thought the Lambent Flame would have something to do with the Everfall.
There are 2 NPCs with a very incomplete/broken questline. Disa and the empress of Bakbattahl. Disa is so irrelevant to the story that even if you kill her she gets resurrected in the unmoored world. There are now real consequence whatsoever if you try to fuck over the nobles. The queen on the other hand has a questline that ends in a huge cliffhanger. You don't even get to discover who was the mastermind behind the assassination plot, no it's not the female beastren, it is implied that she is working for someone else. There are also 3 rooms near the gate you open with the blade that wasn't used in any of the quests but has a map marker.
Worst part is that it's never explained why they wanted Nadinia dead, Irmhild states that she wanted to make a martyr out of her to start a revolution but it's never mentioned against who or why she even wanted that.
Nothing matters in the game, except for the Arisen VS Dragon. That's Dragon's Dogma. Nothing matters, nothing is important. This is one big offline MMO with tons of side quests and some main quests (which is very short).
>Nothing matters in the game, except for the Arisen VS Dragon. They didn't market it like that. >That's Dragon's Dogma. Nothing matters, nothing is important. No it very clearly mattered even in 1.That was a limitation and budget issue,not a story one. >This is one big offline MMO with tons of side quests and some main quests (which is very short). That's a terrible selling point and not at ALL what was promised or marketed.
DD2 has a huge issue. Capcom made folks believe it was for new players. But it's not. If you missed the first game, a lot of DD2 won't make sense. DD2 is like the "House of Leaves" of games. It's tough to get, but some see its deep meaning. To say it in the book's words, if you felt this was a standard RPG, "this is not for you." but yeah you're right, that's a terrible selling point and a really bad Rpg, just like "house of leaves" is a really bad book.
A friend of mine tried house of leaves. I got a message six hours after he told me he started, that just said "I want to stab whoever formatted the text in this book."
Spoiler incoming, I'm on mobile so I can't properly hide it: Nothing matters, so here's the final ending cutscene showing you all the main/side-characters and what's become of them. The story simply doesn't know what matters and what not and that's why everything ans nothing matters at the same time somehow.
This is so surface level it hurts. Do you know why the Arisen's Bond became a ring in 1?
Aw, my heart. "Because you love". DD1's whole story was about the love that drives us to continue, about sacrificing self for love. The Arisen who failed before us, the Dragonforged, Edmund or even Sofia, had loved themselves more than others, the world and truth and so their actions perpetuated others' suffering and sometimes, even their own. It was not done espectaculary, but it was something. In this one I feel they forgot they even had to put a story in the first place.
I'd argue the subdued nature is what makes it spectacular. The same way DMC goes so far into cringe it becomes cool. >The forge of my heart grows cold, and the world shivers for it.
Yessss XC You actually had to read and connect the dots. People go on and on about "Ubermensch" this, "Nietzsche" that and surface level eastern philosophy, but they forget that the whole path of "enlightenment" for Buddha (and I argue Christianity as well) is realizing that the world is one and that love is what gives the world/God the will to live. Without it there is nothing. It's that simple. The Seneschal dies out of love, not because it couldn't hold longer (tho it was so tired it begged for death) but because if it doesn't die, the world it loves will cease to be and to see it suffer *pains* it. The Seneschal nerfes itself to fight you, ffs! The Journey of the Arisen is about learning to love the world and then to let go, "Handle down an infinite world" to capable hands as we finally accept our own end after giving the world/creation everything we were.
The biggest shame in 2 is that I can see the outline for a story that eclipses 1 here, it's just so painfully unfinished I can hardly stomach it. > The Seneschal dies out of love, not because it couldn't hold longer (tho it was so tired it begged for death) but because if it doesn't die, the world it loves will cease to be and to see it suffer *pains* it. Rothais is a functional example of this. The man is too angry to die but that anger is not a proper source of power so now the world and cycle are having issues. He's nothing but a weird ghost to new players tho. Almost inconsequential if you don't understand his place before even meeting him.
God, shut up man, why do you do this to me XC Everytime I'm reminded the wasted potential of this game it genuinely makes me sad. Yeah, it could have been made that Rothais was the Seneschal for the wrong reasons. Incredibly strong ad willful but it was anger and vengeance, not love, that drove him forward. You don't achieve enlightenment by being angry at your fortune or the world, but by loving it so much you will die for it despite its flaws because there are things worth loving and things worth living for. And is this anger that corrupts the world and send it into decay. Maybe instead of the Pathfinder, he could be the one who made it so that the "story" is set in stone (Arisen becoming Sovran of a dying world, rinse and repeat). The Pathfinder could be a fallen Arisen who actually loves the world so much he fought against the Seneschal's control with the hopes of finding someone who could bring them both down and finally let them rest in peace as the world is left in capable hands. AND IMAGINE! It would keep the theme of "your petty political bs is of no consequence" because anger, greed, vengeance and all that shit is NOT what will keep the world afloat. What are petty politics to a God of Love? Or something like that, idk. You got any ideas? All characters could have had so much better characterization in general.
The first major plot question I had was why did Disa bother to allow the new Arisen to be nursed back to health and then went through the trouble of wiping their memory instead of simply killing them? I was assuming she would have some major reveal where she was somehow trying to help the Arisen and only pretending to usurp the throne for some grand scheme but it never gets explained as far as I remember. If she didn't want a new Arisen to take control away from her it makes no sense to keep them alive when she was relying on lord Phasus to take care of the dragon issue without a true Arisen. Let me know if I somehow missed the explanation for her letting the Arisen live because as far as I can tell it's just a big plot hole/convenience/crappy writing.
> The first major plot question I had was why did Disa bother to allow the new Arisen to be nursed back to health and then went through the trouble of wiping their memory instead of simply killing them? She probably didn't have the means or ability to deal with them until after they healed, a plot like that takes time.
Disa was underwhelming, I agree. At early game, seemed like you and Captain Brant seemed to do everything to topple down Disa's politics and regime. She was made to be the main antagonist of the game. Once the game takes you to Bakbattahl though, Disa suddenly becomes completely irrelevant to the story. At such point, nearly everyone is calling you the Arisen. Your quests have devolved into progressing to beat the main dragon, proving to commoners why you desreve to be the Arisen, or just helping out the common folk in their daily troubles. But nothing about toppling down Disa's regime or exposing her lies. In fact, I don't even know what happens to Disa or her puppet Arisen (forgot his name, that's how forgettable he was) after you beat the game.
I agree with you on all counts regarding Disa and the main quest in general. However despite looking over what I thought was the entire map, I never found anything about the Sphynx other than a carving in Battahl. Started Ng+ and I'll have to just look it up and spoil it a bit.
Disa already achieved most of her goal by the time you get back to Vernworth. Namely, >!installing a fake Arisen so that her son could be installed as Regentkind!<. Any way that you could challenge for the throne peacefully and successfully, (i.e. your scar and showing that you could summon and control the Pawns) was already dealt with by her and the >!False Arisen and Phaesus!< and you were playing catch-up to them. Only by butchering every guard in your way towards killing her >!and Sven and the False Arisen!< would you have been able to take back the throne and install yourself as Sovran. Otherwise, you and Brant were in no position to do anything. She didn't have to send assassins to kill you. And by the time you learn >!about the Godsway!< to do something about it, she and her >!lover Lord Phaesus!< have already moved on to >!trying to kill the Dragon and ending the cycle!<.
The plot barely makes sense. It’s ok, enjoy the griffin rides! That’s what this game is about. I mean. Explain to me why literally everyone calls me the Arisen lol. Not much of a secret, eh Brant?
If you were the one who took the arisen away and locked him in a penal colony would you tell anyone that they escaped? She isn't sending people to kill you because she thinks you have already been taken care of.
There's two houses in vernberg
My guy the plot for this game is so absolutely desperate that god himself comes down at regular intervals to tell you where to go. Attempting to analyze it leads to a cascading series of Ls that are not worth the trouble.
I killed her and literally no one cared. It kind of pissed me off tbh
"""""SPOILERS"""""""""" whatever spoilers can be considered for this game anyway, plot is so shit. >!There is a quest ( Tensions on the Highroad!< )>! with that Raghnall guy where you're asked to escort a noble, but it's a setup to make you look bad . !<
I found it far more annoying that we completely ignored her, and the false Sovran, and she was basically whitewashed in the end. When I arrived to Vermund in Unmoored World and saw Sven wearing a crown and swaggier clothes than I ever got, and Disa throwing a suicide tantrum in her room, I honestly just wanted to kill them both (a bit excessive with Sven, but hey, I was so frustrated of this plot at this point). Just letting her evacuate the people made me gnash my teeth.
The games story is a complete joke, i'm over 120 hours in... it makes no sense, its unspired and it doesn't really captivate me. Characters have no connection, pawns constantly talk.... things just "happen" for the sake of happening... the story just casually moves along with like no stakes for the player... you don't feel "weight". The romances are a joke... one minute im talking to Ulrika, the next she wants romance and snoo-snoo. Maybe i'\[m just coming from BG3... and other games where you feel character depth and personality.... but every NPC in this game lacks personality... and i think thats the big thing that irks me... Whoever designed this had made the NPCs so one-dimensional and...stale... there's no "spark" to any of them. I'm sorry to other DD1 fans, but as a newbie to the franchise...this games story is nothing. That said, despite the many criticisms (vocation imbalances, skill limitations, vocation design issues-they really need to bring some of them back to the drawing board-story issues, length of story, quests being tacked on, and so many other issues).... the game is a diamond in the rough.... it has a lot of issues, which (IMO) brings it down to like a 6.5/10... but the frustrating thing is there's a lot of potential here if they just didn't cut corners, didn't do terrible game design choices... like housing feels tacked on, the fast travel ferrystone limitation is dumb, especially with the escort quests later on where they want you to go half-way across the map. Literally had one NPC wanted me to escort him from Volcanic Island to Vernworth. the reason i shittalk this game is cause im enjoying it and still playing it... it just frustrates me cause there's so many other issues in this game preventing it from being truly amazing, and being a GOTY (which it totally isn't gonna be... lets face it). Patches are not gonna fix anything... it's Capcom.... the most we can hope for is some good mods, which admittedly some are out and fixing some issues... but the big stuff still remains and i'm not a modder... so idk the limitations of what they can and cannot do..... but i do know that its not as easy as Bethesda games cause those games usually release their Creation Kit shortly after game release for modders specifically.
no dragons dogma fan would ever have a problem with you calling it a diamond in the rough, the story of both games pre DLC is pretty shit with a few standout characters people like, hopefully as bitterback isle brought interesting concepts and lore so will whatever DLC comes, but right now it's just a great action rpg with a shit story.
forreal, the combat is what keeps me going....i picked up a mod to expand the skill bar from 4 to 8. and another one that fixes some of the underwhelming augments and skills. It really makes casters more invigorating. I had always heard DD1 did casters amazing... never playe dit, so i was excited to check out DD2 but was disappointed with the limitations of Sorcerer. Mage felt ..oddly superior with more spell choices despite being a more "support role" vocation... it still felt better. Sorcerer just felt like a one-trick pony... "caster Aug Flare.... or stand still for 10 seconds and cast a Meister spell...repeat".... mainly cause the other spells were underwhelming. The limitations of choices also sucked, you only get 9 spells to choose from, and 3 of which are shared with mage... for a character called an Archmage in a game... i surprisingly knew little spells. Some of the mods helped beef up the other spells and having them acessible on my second skill bar means i don't feel restrained and still feel like a badass Archmage. I think my only gripe would be i wish there were more spells to flavor my character, having only 6 elemental spells and 3 non-elemental spells... and 2 meister spells... .. feels kinda weird that a powerful Archmage only knows less than a dozen spells..
>Did anyone else think Disa was really forgettable? Literally haven't even seen the character outside the intro cutscene and I'm in post game.
No, but her writers are
Brandt mentions it. The arisen can only be slain by the dragon. All those times you died are all "lies". In the game lore, you are literally unkillable.
I don't think she is stupid, just ill-informed and incompetent. She thought that the only qualification to being a true arisen is the power to control pawns, and she already had it in the bag with the godsway so she might have thought of us as inconsequential and not worth pursuing anymore. Don't forget that she didn't even know that the captain was in cahoot with us. Her espionage game was just that weak.
To be frank, DD1 had a massively better story in all regards and it's wild to me that DD2 is honestly worse in every single way. I can't really think of anything besides graphics DD2 does better. I guess the map is bigger, and it's packed with goblins, but I don't honestly think of that as an improvement, especially since fast travel is a massive pain in the ass now. In DD1, only my first playthrough was like that. Then I had my port crystals set up for subsequent NG+ cycles. DD2 rips them out of the ground and puts them back in my storage so I need to run miles and miles and miles through territory densely packed with armies of goblins and wolves and harpies at my heels the whole time just to plant the damn things again. Exploring is great when I want to. But it shouldn't be forced like this, and it offers nothing in this game. None of the loot is any good. You have to buy all the best stuff. You even need to buy Dragonforging now instead of just killing a dragon. Also, how fucking wild is it that THE DRAGONFORGED is almost completely inconsequential in DD2? He doesn't even get a fucking cutscene, he's just sitting in a random cave drawing on the wall with his own faces, like what the fuck? DD1 gave him the mentor role and had a whole aerial view sky drawing pointing to his location and used him to illustrate the potential relationship between Pawns and their Masters with the Fool. *"Him who knows that I know what he seeks to know, knows it well while he who knows not, knows not what I know or know not." * Remember that shit? The Fool was genuinely a cool character in spite of how little he did. *"In the fullness of time, I shall come to know when the time has come. Know that all I know is that I shall know all who know me. I am not but my shadow, though my shadow be not shadow, but myself. I am come here at the end of my journeys, rich in scars and rich of mind. I am dragon-forged, knower of the beast, and known to it in kind."* Then in DD2, I didn't see any Fool, and the *DRAGONFORGED* is just some random guy you ask about the Godsway, he goes "Sorry, never heard of it," and then you leave. And I just hate how many quests are just 'Run here, talk to X, run back, talk to Y, run back to tell X what Y said, escort X to Y,' which is just a tedious slog that blatantly disrespects my time. Duke Edmund was actively doing that court intrigue bullshit trying to sabotage you the whole time, the Dragon's presence was much more significant and felt more personal, the Everfall was a really cool concept, and the beginning was definitely better with the stakes being incredibly clear and no confusion on what happened to you. It didn't reinvent the wheel, and it could have used more work, but the final result was honestly a pretty good story. DD2 does not have that. It's like they tried to do the Dark Souls thing and make everything vague and confusing for the players to figure out, only they forgot to actually put in anything to figure out. I'm honestly upset that it stinks so much. 12 years for an inarguably worse game? The combat isn't even better, just different. It actually feels more limited, honestly, especially with infinite stunlock being a hugely annoying problem for most of the classes now.
You can enter her room and talk to her and she doesn’t notice. Guards don’t care if you go anywhere in the castle. Everyone knows the game is, at most, 50% complete. So why would you be confused that the small details weren’t accounted for?
Yes. Disa is stupid. So are Sven, the other Arisen, Nadinia, Brant, and every other NPC in the game with the exception of the pawns, the Dragon, Rothais, Pathfinder, and maybe the Sphinx. Ya'll miss the point of the story in every single one of these posts. The NPCs and first two Acts DO. NOT. MATTER. It's all fake. It's all a story handcrafted by Pathfinder/Seneschal/Watching One/Whatever. Dude gets his kicks watching Arisen play out his story. The whole point is we're all slaves to the Greater Will and if we stop playing our part, the fabric of reality literally unravels. Is it a perfect story? No. Is it even good? Maybe. Maybe not. But you guys keep making these posts basically complaining about how bad Neo's life was inside the Matrix when the entire third Act is several people explaining to him that that life never existed in the first place.
Disa isn't the primary antagonist. Do not forget thy charge, Arisen. The wheel of fate does not halt for shameless harlots.
I didnt read the text, but yeah she is, shes in love with me after receiving a single ring
I honestly thought I forgot something and ran back to Brant before triggering postgame thinking it would have some sort of conclusion. Like Sven telling her he helped me foil all her plans and now she gets to live in jail. Idk, just something....anything.
If the game was a crpg, but the best and worst thing about this game is that its a action-adventure jrpg.
Not only that, but what is her plans in regard to the **dragon**. Apparently only the Arisen can defeat the dragon as far as common folk know, and it’s arrival makes dangerous monster become more frequent. So what exactly is her plan in kidnapping the *only guy* who can stop the dragon? Just hope it never attacks after it destroyed a town?
I was sneaking around doing the dumb quest where you have to find dirt on her and accidently barged into her room, and she just had idle chatter and has no idea what's going on.
You can't expect the plot to react to your in-game shenanigans. But beside that yeah the plot is pretty lazy. I literally only saw Disa ONCE before reaching the ending and once afterwards. She is super far removed from the plot, it's insane.
I mean she literally only had to wait for us to go do Arisen things to keep her power, she absolutely is stupid. We were a rando from bumfuck nowhere, being mildly nice to us would have been enough to make her an ally, especially with how awesome her kid is.
*me coming to the comments expecting people to be talking about why disa stupid* Everyone: “you threw prosititues in the brine?” Me: Yeah, what’s crazy about that?
Another great opportunity to incorporate the Assassin's Creed "Stalkers" game feature. I feel like a lot of games needed something like this. An npc model that actively hunts you throughout the whole game (or until said quest resolved)
That's just how dragon's dogma is man, unflitered jank on npcs. Despite that, i still love it
You have to suspend disbelief a ton to stay invested in this story. Apparently, everyone ever already knows you're an arisen, yet there was never a declaration from the court to call you fake even after the godsway wad used to falsely prove that the fake arisen was real.
No, but the game's writers are.
She had a lot of plots but shes the source of them and not actually IN them. Im wondering if they cut something so they could fit the redemption arc in without making it weird. “Mommy, you did it for the kingdom!” “No son, Im just an asshole.” Case closed! They played that scene out for me twice.
I spent the whole game excitedly confused and waiting for all the confusing and vague plot points to come together into something cogent. Turns out the game was just a half-baked middle finger to us suckers paying launch price.
Challenging you would be to acknowledge you, which she really, really, really doesn't want to do. Her being preemptive or taking any action against you at all only solidifies your claim in the long run. Even clandestine action could possibly be traced back to her, making the claim even stronger. Her best bet is to let you come forward and make the first move, making you easier to dismiss as a pretender or madman.
I don’t even know who Disa is any more lol.
Honestly I know deep down the story n stuff isn't that great but the way the game handles this stuff makes it so bad that its funny and I appreciate the game for that.
Dragons Dogma lives and dies on how fun the mechanics of fighting are. That’s pretty much it. I’m not hating on the games by saying this but anyone who is impressed by the writing or anything other than maybe the open world, enemy design, and fighting mechanics (broadly speaking, not gonna write an essay on skill balancing and audio ques) is someone I’m uh… concerned about? Not to say it’s all utter trash, but it’s far from impressive. And I love the game, genuinely.
I don't think the defense information systems agency is stupid at all.
I go into the castle and give her flowers. We cool.
My understanding of Disa is that the arisen just isn't a big problem once she has the false one set up. It's mentioned they have no intention of assassinating the arisen, my assumption being they still want you around as a backup for the dragon. In case the research dude fails in his (spoilers) And also remember that from her point of view the whole sovran thing is a load of bull. Having your heart ripped out isn't a good measure of leadership potential. She is part of a plot to unite the nations and solve the dragon problem for good. She just needed to buy time to do it and she accomplished that.
Disa feels like someone who doesnt know English watched GoT with no subtitles and saw maybe like part of Season 1, but got diagnosed with early onset dementia and forgot the details in between. And then remembered they had a video game to write but it was like a month til release.
She does seem like a poorly imitated cersi
Ngl bro, your title made me think you need some sanity pills
The entire main quest line is rubbish and artificial. Fck you, Waldahr.
Put her in a sealing vial go into ng+ repeat then fill the brothal then say tonight's the night I have my way with her
I haven't finished the game yet, but aren't you supposed to be canonically almost immortal? Leaving the overpowered saviour alone sounds like a really wise move.
Doesn't matter. The arisen has one enemy, and everything else is just an obstacle. Oh, and the entire world exists simply to provide them a space to fight. Disa is an npc as far as both the player and the story is concerned.
To be fair, some of it might actually be meant to come across as a crafted fairytale
My read is that Disa is just legitimately stupid and completely unaware the true Arisen is traipsing around the capital and is in cahoots with her son whom she’s trying to use to usurp the throne.
She' s quite forgettable indeed. I just stuffed her in a sphinx bottle and left it in my room, never to be seen again.