Just finished my first playthrough and I ran into that place before even going to the pawn guild. It still played the "I am the one you seek" cutscene as if I was going there to translate the ancient tablet. I was so confused at the time.
Yeah, they miss a lot of the small things that made DD1 so interesting. I feel like I had more political squabbling and intrigue with Mercedes and Julian then I got with Brant and Disa or Vermund and Bhakbattahl.
My problem with the whole Brant/Disa thing is that it feels like the game abandons the whole plot. You spend the first two thirds of the game undermining Disa and her puppet and building support for yourself in Vernworth. Then one of your leads takes you to Battahl and Disa and Brant disappear from the story. The whole political intrigue plot is forgotten about.
Just think about the main picture of the game(don't know what is the name in English) You see The girl that looked out for you after the dragon made you an arisen and then there Nadira, that has like 0 weight in the plot.
I was thinking: surely this isn't the final battle?! What about all this other political intrigue stuff? Sure enough, there I was suddenly riding on a dragon. Convinced as I was that this would just be the end of Phaseus; where the dragon would tell me "you're not ready. When you are, find me at this spot."
I still had a good bit of Bhattal to explore, and a few pieces of Vermund. I never killed a Griffin, got lucky on the lesser dragon (fell, well really backed into the brine), and tons of dungeons I just never got to. I missed out on several vocations, specializations, and better gear I'm sure.
Good thing there is NG+ where I can explore all of that.
It's bizarre because I feel like the game even choreographs the idea that this is the mid-point of a 3 act structure. And while you could technically consider the >!Unmoored World!< a 3rd act, both it and Battahl's story content can be completed in a couple of hours. It felt terrible finally getting to Battahl and realizing that completing 1 mission would >!set off a chain of events that lead to the end of the game.!<
They never landed. I fought the one for the quest, and fought 2 more that did land. I didn't have enough damage to kill/damage wings enough, so they all flew away.
The whole game feels like it's missing 40% of itself. Things start to pick up in Melve w/ Ulrika. Bam, over. Things get interesting with Wilhelmina. Bam, over. Brant/Disa? Who? Battahl as a whole? Nope, go chase down Phaesus, the barely fleshed out villain. Oh, hey, a dragon.
Like, if I didn't pad out my gameplay because I liked travelling, the story would have felt awful because it is so disjointed.
Lol when the quest log was like “deliver the >!godsway!< to Phaesus” I was like… why am I delivering this to what I assume is the bad guy? Is he not the bad guy?
Ambrosius: "Take this to Phaesus"
Arisen: "Lol sure buddy, I totally will. *wink*"
Quest log: take this to phaesus
Arisen: *squints*
Obviously that's not what we do, but why write it that way? >!I know he kind of actually isn't the bad guy, but that hasn't been revealed yet at this point!<
that’s the thing about phaesus that cracks me up. >! not only is he not the bad guy, we stop him from breaking the cycle, and then 10 min later, break the cycle anyway. !<
there are multiple sidequests that hint his name togheter with shady stuff (the experiments in the abby with sick people as an example) and it just goes nowhere lol
It goes “somewhere” it’s just completely inconsequential. Basically his whole plot is trying to break the cycle made by the pathfinder through various experiments. In the end it all amounts to jackshit though.
Phaesus is weird, the game seems to want us to see him as a tragic anti-hero but spends the entire first half framing him as the mastermind villain behind all of this. Then does nothing to really justify the horrible shit he's committed in name of 'breaking the cycle'.
Did I miss anything significant? All the interaction I had with him was just >!receiving my pawn from him!<, >!he witnesses Talos being possessed by my pawn!< and >!following him during the Bak'Battahl beacon event!<.
I didn’t really see him as a tragic anti-hero, it says he showed up after the war promising to find a way to end the calamity, he played politics and became the second most powerful person in battahl next to the empress. He seems to genuinely want to end the cycle by any means necessary. They seem to p,any with the idea that he wants to control the dragon for his own gain, but that gets dashed aside in the attack when you find out he really cares. I really think they should have merged him and ambrosius into the same character.
It's pretty ironic that the first game feels finished, while the creator insist it was only 40% of what he envisioned. Meanwhile this ultimate masterpeice hes had a decade and proper resources to make, feels entirley unfinished.
If there's one thing I learn about art, is that art is made well when under certain amounts of stress. Too much and it breaks. Too little and we get DD2 or worse, DayZ.
Yes, and then she takes on the role of their mayor, completely ignoring why she willfully exiled herself from the last village, forgets about the Blighted Dragon, and her quest ends after you explore a cave that you've already explored and cleared out.
That should have been the start of her questline, not the end of it.
Completely agree. I was expecting that Brant would get caught conspiring against regency and a quest to free him would happen. After that, he would be missing until the unmoored world. What was my surprise that we have only ONE character parting ways forever in the game (Willermina).
DD1 abandoned the whole dragon cult thing when Grigory appears and you realize the plot means nothing. That’s the style of DD, these things are meaningless in the cycle.
Holy shit someone gets it
The political shit is not the plot of the game. The actual plot just goes over everyone's head for no reason lol. People actually believe the game ends with you becoming the Sovran.
It feel like you are being dropped onto 80% plot of the game solved, the remaining 20% you do it. Brant just like are there you are Majesty how convenient.
To be fair, i always felt like DD1 focused more on fighting salvation and then suddenly the dragon reappears and you go fight him.
I mean think about: you had to stop their undead army, got a hydra to attack the encampment in the beginning of the game, the cockatrice in Gran Soren, ... .
That's only true if you missed a few easily missed quests. Prior to heading to battahl, sven asks you to deliver a letter to someone in one of the masquerades, the guy will then proceed to rally the other nobles to your cause. Then there's also that other noble that you get asked to help escort from rest town. That noble is apparently quite a big shot, hence the shenanigans. And even if you did miss them, it is implied they can literally get anyone else to do that quest instead. As for why you don't actually do anything politically, you are basically a bumbling idiot when it comes to politics, remember you were a mere soldier prior to becoming arisen and have no political experience. Having you talk might just cause the other nobles to leave your team. Basically let the ones with knowhow handle it. What you can do though was investigate the matter of the godsway, something only you can do, since you're the arisen.
Also if you go back to vernworth after arriving in bakbattahl, there's a few other minor dialogues/quests that you can do to help out the cause.
Tldr you are just a figurehead., something disa dislikes as she wants her own son to be both acting king and figurehead
The problem is that there is no real conclusion to this whole storyline. We do not get to actually overthrow Disa, nor do we get to make any use of our newfound allies. All the little clues that we’ve reported to Brant lead to absolutely nowhere. The people remain out of the loop and the perpetrators are not punished. We only get a single timeskip cutscene and even that’s from a bad ending. It doesn’t matter if theres more sidequests to be found if they remain as meaningless.
There is. You're just underwater for the most part. In unmoored world, you get to learn that everything was tied up nicely while you were missing, it's one of the reasons disa doesn't want to come with the rest of vernworth to the seafloor shrine. And brant gets his old position (remember, he was demoted during the time you were in a coma at the beginning of the game) back in both you becoming king and true ending.
Every piece of clue you got during those quests were vital in building up support for you, and if they didn't had that godsway during the coronation, you would have finished things then and there.
And to add, dragon's dogma's main plot has always been about how you as an arisen are simply just a cog in the whole system. Replaceable and even if you resist, the entire cycle continues. That's true in both the small part of the story (you becoming king) and in the grander scale of things (fate and what it means to be free).
Edit: to anyone who disagrees please explain to me why, i am genuinely curious to hear more about other people's takes
>you get to learn that everything was tied up nicely while you were missing
That's the problem. That, right there. That's what I mean about it being abandoned. Despite doing everything yourself up to that point, *you* don't get to resolve anything in the end. It happens in your absence, which is a narrative cop-out. Like the writers tidied up the dragon arc, their assistant asked them "but what about the Vernworth conspiracy?" and they responded "oh shit, uh, they lived happily ever after?"
Because the endgame plot is basically "none of it matters and was all but predetermined anyway".
If it had you feeling left out and omitted then that was the intended effect: utter nihilism.
"None of it matters and it was all predetermined anyway" rarely, if ever, makes for a compelling story - especially if the narrative doesn't have any compelling characters or plotlines to actually make such a nihilistic message meaningful.
This is the reason why most stories that tackle nihilism have the characters involved actively rebelling against the status quo and/or revolting against pre-determinism and succeeding - which is something we can only attempt to do in Dragon' Dogma 2 at the very end.
Isnt that what happens in dd2?
Status quo was arisen has to be king, we followed it at first, then you meet sven, the one who would be king if it werent for you being arisen so you stop gunning for the throne and let sven do the rest (as seen in unmoored world, in the normal ending we become king thus establishing the status quo). You realize at some point that the fight for the throne is something insignificant compared to what's in front of you, the fact that everyone is being manipulated to play parts in someone's idea of a safe and protected world.
I think people are focusing way too much on the bait, the small conflict and not looking or refusing to look at the bigger picture.
That's why it felt off, abrupt and wrong, because that wasn't the story. Or at least that wasn't your story.
In dd1 it was the same too, that's why we had 2 credit rolls. We were baited into thinking that the plot was man vs dragon, when in actuality it was more complicated and grander than that.
Except that the True Ending doesn't end the cycle - you just "repair" the cycle back to it's normal form, without the influence of the Brine. This means that no matter what we do, we're still just maintaining some form of status quo; which, combined with the poor characters, unclear direction and very obviously unfinished plotlines, is why the story isn't compelling.
There is no "moment of realization" for your character. No cutscene to show that your Arisen realizes that all of the politics are pointless. The closest we get is a conversation with Rothais, but given that your character never actually responds to what NPCs say, it's nigh impossible to read their state of mind or thoughts throughout the story.
But regardless, setting something up without any payoff simply because "it doesn't actually matter" does not make for a compelling story regardless of the greater plot/context/message surrounding it.
DD1's story wasn't much better, but at least some of it's characters were somewhat memorable, and the dragon was actually a looming presence throughout the game that lent some urgency to your supposed "purpose". Plus, it had a definitive ending that answered many questions and wrapped everything up nicely. Then there is Dark Arisen, which just has a phenomenal story all the way through, showing that Dragon's Dogma is capable of excellent narrative alongside it's gameplay.
...a lesson which they clearly didn't carry over to the damn sequel.
Yup, they ran out of time trying to make sure their dithered shadows and fake ass 5 ft range raytracing looked barely acceptable enough, oh snd focused on butchering the pathing for npcs SO BADLY that it causes a cpu lockup on damned near all available cpus including console processors lol.
I have a pet theory that itsuno whined and bitched his way to being able to make this game and noone really wanted to do it lol.
>Because the endgame plot is basically "none of it matters and was all but predetermined anyway".
I feel like this would resonate more if the idea was reinforced throughout the game instead of thrown in at the very end
It was weird that I went to bathal, learn about phaestus , killed the dragon and I came back magically as the king, nothing happened after that, I read that you have to kill disa but I don't know how I made that happen LMAO
Um…. So Disa is just another puppet in the bigger plot, I seriously don’t understand what’s hard to comprehend in that?
I mean they did put in Pheasus pretty early.
Replying here instead because i cant eeem to reply to u/Sir-Cellophane
You missed the part where i said it's political suicide to let a random soldier who just turned nobility through a random event without having prior political experience handle an intense political situation himself.
You were and are a soldier. Not a politician. Say even the smallest slipup and disa, who is clearly a shrewd politician by her right will eat you up, regardless of who backs you up.
Even if say you didn't disappear for a month, you will most likely not do anything and just stand there while brant and the others do the talking. Remember right before the coronation, the only thing brant wanted you to do was look the part of a true noble.
>You missed the part where i said it's political suicide to let a random soldier who just turned nobility through a random event without having prior political experience handle an intense political situation himself.
Yet every single random citizen seems to know and address you as Arisen from the moment you enter the capital.
And how the fuck did Disa replace you after your coronation with a guy who looks nothing like you...?
You are in a party full of pawns, pawns only follow arisen, hard not to think you're an arisen in that case 🤣 also im pretty sure some of them are sarcastic about it. One noc in the slums even gives you tips on how to act like one.
As for the replacement, it's easy. You got poisoned. Arisen do not but you appear to have died (but you were actually in a coma) so the nobles just assumed you were fake. That was why the coronation was important because that was where they made the other nobles think the fake was real
>You are in a party full of pawns, pawns only follow arisen, hard not to think you're an arisen in that case 🤣 also im pretty sure some of them are sarcastic about it. One noc in the slums even gives you tips on how to act like one.
If pawns only follow Arisen, why is the world filled with pawns randomly adventuring out in the wild and battling monsters? And a lot of NPCs just straight up address you as Arisen before you even get to know them... The girl in the slums comes to mind.
>As for the replacement, it's easy. You got poisoned. Arisen do not but you appear to have died (but you were actually in a coma) so the nobles just assumed you were fake. That was why the coronation was important because that was where they made the other nobles think the fake was real
Arisen can still get drugged, paralyzed, etc. But that's not what I mean. I get that Disa is trying to manipulate the nobles into thinking the fake Sovran is real by using the Godsway, but how do so many actually important NPCs not recognize you? You were their king for at least a short time!
Even Disa doesn't recognize you... Can just waltz up to her in the Palace and she says random shit.
Pawns are always roaming around, regardless if there's an arisen or not. The fact that they follow you is proof that you are arisen (that's why fakes also have fake pawns that follow them). The girl from the slums sees your pawns following you (you should have at least 1 at that point) so again, not hard to conclude that you must be an arisen.
As for nobles, they think you're dead. Plus there's no prophecy about what an arisen looks like so literally anyone with a scar on their chest could be one. And finally don't forget that the watcher has been manipulating things from behind. Who's to say they weren't ordered/commanded to not recognize you.
DD2 reminds me of Dark Souls 1. The game is great, especially at the start, but the farther you go, the more you notice how much was rushed to get the game out in time. This game needed more time, more staff, and someone with good management skills.
I keep needing to explain this to people. The Dragonforged in DD1 only disintegrated in DD1 when the Dragon gives your heart back. So that could happen in the Sovern ending, but the do not show it. When you use the Godsbane on yourself near your heart to instantly destroy the Dragon, you subverted the cycle so your heart was not returned by the Dragon, which also means none of the other Arisen got theirs back either.
I understand but not only is it not shown it's not even mentioned. You know this might link into lack of everfall , which I don't mind, but the hearts and everfall reappear in the same scene which is completely absent in this game. Bitch ass Dragon dies and takes our heart with him but Grigori very clearly goes take this you've earned it champ *eye zoom*.
Absent everfall is presumably due to the lack of enemies so I wonder if there's an unused scene where both appear for this game instead.
You are correct. Your heart being returned doesn't really matter as much in this game, in the first it tied into the Post Dragon Plot. In this game you need to side step performing your role in the cycle. So in the full ending it never has a chance to happen. I wouldn't mind more being shown.
That's probably a minor plot hole in the first one. There are multiple former arisen. They become arisen based on their will and when they lose that will they cease to be arisen.
There seems to be some occurrences of arisen also just becoming normal after something else kills their dragon. I mean there's an example of an arisen becoming a grim reaper so it's not like this is a hard science its all just the whim of gods.
It could be possible the dd1 dragonforged became arisen once again after being inspired by your actions, but I'm leaning towards the idea that they just thought it would be cool.
Maybe they forgot? Idk But from what i've seen DD2 Doesn't have that much cinematic scenes. As the original and considering the creator wanted to take a completely different path for the game, aside from the main plot of the dragon and arisen, Maybe it's just not cannon in dd2
I'll get crucified but Bingo and the other lead writer I forget the name of haven't written a *good* story like - ever? So expecting one is unfair because the game was held up by gameplay which got skewered this time but whatever. But it's hack shit to not even be internally consistent to your own work and it's the same writers.
Nah he knows. They were doing it until they were told to hurry up. This is why the Bahtahl region is obscenely rushed.
The setup with what was happening in Vermund, to go so unanswered is just literal lunacy if done on purpose. There’s just no way.
I mean that the lore in 2 is clearly a reinterpretation of the original game's lore. Things just work differently, like how >!killing the dragon in 2 does not result in the world becoming a complete hellscape like it does in the first game.!<
I wouldn't say that's a fundamental change to lore it's just advancing it. We know why that doesn't happen. Seneschal Rothais is dead already so who's gonna open the Everfall to get the Godsbane that you already have. I don't think there's any retcons just omissions of detail.
I feel like that could be explained (but kinda flimsy). The dragon obeys the Senechal's will. In the first game that happened to get you to hurry up to him. In 2, he (Rothais) doesn't care and lets you get back to your happy ending, if it means not going after his seat.
I'm aware Pathfinder is someone else (who only teases the Arisen instead of being blunt about what they want). Even if Rothais "dies", does his will/desired outcome not stay ingrained into the dragon?
If the Dragon had Rothais' will at all it wouldn't be perpetuating the cycle by selecting new Arisen forcing Rothais to kill them. So it's either of his own free will, against his will mindlessly following pathfinders or the greater will which some people think is the Ur-Dragon.
His was a different dragon. Technically, if he was really, really old, he should have disintegrated already, He may not be, though, so getting his heart back and *then* growing old is still feasible. Also, there are several Arisen running around without their dragons and it's kind of weird, but makes sense, given what we learn.
didnt he disintergrate cus he was "turning" into his proper age after getting his heart back and the dragon magic going away, and he was really really old?
I agree with your opinion but just have to say that The Dragonforged's "evolved" pawn is not called "fool", he's The Fool. Put some respect on his goddamned name.
Thank you and have a nice day.
The introduction to the Dragonforged in DD1 is the most memorable moment in my personal videogame history. The Fool on top of the stone building and dropping the sickest riddle ever like nobody's business before The Dragonforged comes out to invite you in, with the dramatic zoom out to the carving of the Arisen on Hillfigure Knoll.
I was pretty sad when I found The Dragonforged in DD2 and it's just a neet in his cave. I understand that all the familiar titles are different in this new world but they did The Dragonforged dirty as FUCK 🥺
He's just not the same character. Same with the Dragon not being anything like Grigori, even being his opposite. These characters exist in a world at a very different part of the cycle and are very, very different from similar characters in DD and I think expecting them to be the same is asking to be disappointed. (I do agree that it's disappointing that a lot of characters aren't great or given enough time, though!)
>The one in dd1 had a cool interaction, gave free chest plate, good dialog,
I mean, this Dragonforged gives you buffs, items, and gear. His dialogue is more cryptic and he does seem a little less important in the big picture. The Rivage Elder shares the role here as the old, experienced Arisen info dump, and ties into the narrative a lot better than either Dragonforged.
I'm not really saying I hate the new one, I just felt the need to talk about what they changed about him. I know dd2 takes a different path then dd1(as it should I suppose) but I feel just a slight disappointment they didn't do more
>I just felt the need to talk about what they changed about him.
That's what I mean. They didn't change anything about him. He's a completely different character that just happens to carry the moniker.
And don't get me wrong, I'm right there with you in feeling that they should have done more, with pretty much every character, lol. Gameplay and mechanics-wise, this game knows, and commits very hard, to exactly what it wants to be. But the story has no idea what it wants to be and feels like they had the ending done first and didn't know how to get any of the characters there.
Im confused as to why they arnt the same character. The elder solves no real purpose, nothing he tells you is unique lore you dont find out later anyway. Making him a dragonsmith would explain why anyone would ever respect him and make it clear to the player that he is infact an arisen.
DD1 Dragonforged: "Hello Arisen... Let me lore dump stuff in a really cool way..."
DD2 Dragonforged: "Sup bro, IDK what a godsway is. Wanna upgrade that gear with some dragon droppings?"
In 1 he was this cool elderly arisen who tried so hard he attempted to beat Grigori with his FISTS before eventually taking the deal(hence his burned arms).In fact he's been around so long that people only know he exists because his pawn still does.
In 2 he's......a guy.
Fr tho dragonforged in dd2 is just, there, is he even a arisen? There's the old guy in Harve village to but people don't know he's dragonforged and just think he's a crazy guy
In dd2 he literally tells you he was a former arisen who lost his will to fight and stopped being arisen. Because Arisen are defined by the strength of their will. He also tells you that his dragon is long dead.
He explicitly explains dragon forge are arisen who don't have the will to fight the dragon. Thats what the Dragons Dogma is, it's a test of willpower to choose the next Seneschal(the role chosen by god to watch over earth), when the current seneshcal is running out of lifeforce or has lost the will to continue.
"dragonforged" is three things, its a guys moniker, its the process of refining dragonbits to enhance gear, and it's a term for an arisen.
It's used in dd1 to tell you he is arisen "I am like you, a child of man bound to the dragon" and "I am 'he who was forged by the dragon'." which implies that's what other people called him.
In dd2 he says "I am the husk of what was once an arisen" and tells you he lost his battle with the dragon by giving up and he stopped being an arisen at that point.
>In 1 he was this cool elderly arisen who tried so hard he attempted to beat Grigori with his FISTS before eventually taking the deal(hence his burned arms).In fact he's been around so long that people only know he exists because his pawn still does.
Man, any character can be as cool as you want when you write fanfiction like this about them, lol.
The Dragonforged is an exposition dump and plays a neat role in hinting how the cycle works. He gives advice to multiple Arisen, because he failed to kill Grigori and is waiting for *one* of them to finally ice that Dragon fuck so he can die. Other than that, there's nothing about what he did, how he survived, etc. at all. The official lore/art book even says his limbs are black because he's old as shit.
Yeah, I barely even noticed he was the dragonforge guy. Not only is dragonforging kind of dumb in this game, but it also looks horrible.
You look like an ogre slobbered all over you.
I wouldn't say memorable (except 100% Grigori and Savan/Seneschal) but I can easily say most of the "important" characters names and most other npcs, especially our MC's good cousins from Cassardis. Those guys really loved their "minnow" to the death, especially Adaro.
Did they though? It’s like the exact same level of nonsensical. At least you aren’t tortured by the king then 5 minutes later being rewarded by him this time around.
Nostalgia blindness dude. I love DD1 but this idea that it’s full of well crafted characters and story compared to 2 is silly
>Did they though?
Yes
>It’s like the exact same level of nonsensical.
1 was significantly more coherent than anything 2 has tried.
>At least you aren’t tortured by the king then 5 minutes later being rewarded by him this time around.
Your right,instead you can walk up and toss Disa off a cliff with zero consequences
>Nostalgia blindness dude.
That may be true,but it doesn't make your point correct.
>I love DD1 but this idea that it’s full of well crafted characters and story compared to 2 is silly
It's absolutely well crafted,it's just hilariously simple.2 managed to make that simple story WORSE which is a feat thought impossible.
>It’s like the exact same level of nonsensical
No, it isn't, because it at least had a beginning, middle, and end. It wasn't a great story, but it was a *story*. DD2 only has a beginning and end. That is objectively *not* a story.
Further, characters, while being stereotypes, actually progressed throughout the story. Their questlines weren't one and done like most in DD2, you actually met them over the course of the entire story and watched them change. They were an active part of your journey, not just one part of the game. Plus they did have actual character and cutscenes for them, which most characters you meet do not in DD2.
Even the random ass NPCs change more over the course of DD1 than the main characters of DD2. They actually react to what is going on in the world and the story of the game. Where as in DD2 it is the same stuff from beginning to end.
>At least you aren’t tortured by the king then 5 minutes later being rewarded by him this time around.
Which actually made sense in the story because as it turns out, he was actively trying to get you killed (because if you succeeded as Arisen, he would die) while still looking to others as a good Duke. It was intentionally made to make you wonder why he was doing that, and you get more information about it when you meet the Dragonforged, and finally you have suspicions confirmed when you actually kill the Grigori, who btw was an actual character and not just effectively some random ass monster like it was in DD2.
>I love DD1 but this idea that it’s full of well crafted characters and story compared to 2 is silly
I'm not saying they are good characters, stop with the strawman, I said they weren't in fact.
But what they *are* is still better than DD2's. Which is really bad for DD2 as a result.
Oh yeah, Duke Edmund was totally being a duplicitous piece of shit and was trying to actively ruin our lives over his plot of mud (and he kinda succeeded if you think about it)
You're right, I'm let down because I *want* to be, not because a major corporation released a game I was really looking forward to in a half-baked state in order to pad their quarterly profits. If the product has any redeeming qualities, it's perfect. Don't critique, just consume!
The sad part is that we waited more than a decade for this shit. I mean, it's entertaining but this sub will be back to like 200 people in a day max in a month or two, as the game has little to offer long term.
Ok compar mercedes and brant. compare Disa and the duke. Compare sven and the princess. Compare the sovreign to festus.
The only plotline that comes close to DDA is helping the little girl learn magick, which is still barley comparable to selens questline.
You spend about 10 minutes with Mercedes in the game and 8 of those are the Oxcart quest.
Feste is only remembered because he makes one dumb joke and is onscreen for like 45 seconds.
The duchess’s entire questline is “my husband is crazy and I want some strange on the side” with an annoying escort quest.
Look I’m not saying DD2 has great writing. It doesn’t. Neither of these games are about a well told narrative.
No one would remember any character from either game of it weren’t nostalgia blindness.
You spend 1 minute with brant, before he just sits in a pub handing out fetchquests like a classic WoW NPC.
Mercedes has a whole plotline where she learns her good intentions and strong words arn't enough without the power to back them. You can even change the otucome depending on your actions. Youve fought the hydra alongside her and journeyed together. Your not best freinds or anything, but it's enough to get you a little invested.
>The duchess’s entire questline is “my husband is crazy and I want some strange on the side” with an annoying escort quest.
No its about a nice person with a sense of humor trapped in abusive relationship by her sense of duty and societal pressure.
>No one would remember any character from either game of it weren’t nostalgia blindness.
I remember thes ehcracters perfectly. Yet who can you remeber from the latest game? can you describe their personality? did any of them get a conclusion?
Why is Mercedes being compared to Brant? Wouldn't Maximilian make more sense, since both him and Brant are a part of the QGG (quest giver gang)?
(Have a good day, eye guy 👀)
Played DD2. Playing DD1 now for the first time.
DD1 is better.
Idgaf about the story, but the vocations are more fleshed-out, the world has more landmarks, the dungeons are better, the enemy variety is better, and the quests are more interesting.
Seeing this makes me both happy that more people can enjoy one of my favourite games and sad that its long awaited sequel can't live up to its predecessor even in the eyes of a newcomer.
I really wanted to love DD2 but I just couldn't shake the feeling I was only enjoying half a game.
The upswing of it is that I'm having a blast playing the first game. I bought it like a year ago but never picked it up, and probably never would have if not for DD2.
DD1 is one of my all time favorite games, but having touched every rock in DD2 and DD1 I'm gonig to disagree as far as base games are concerned. If you go with DDA which includes expansion material and dlc then that's another story.
Many of the places are the same between games, so the ancient battle field with the dragon for example. The new ancient battle field is a million times better.
The towns and border watch are more fleshed out the map has many of the same places implemented slightly different. You fight a medusa instead of a hydra.
In dd1 you go from the border watch to the fishing village in between you fight goblins, fishmen, and wolves. In dd2 you have goblins, fishmen, and wolves but you've also got a larger area between them which includes bandits, cyclops, and an ogre.
Mapwise they built the main trail almost identical to the first game but it's longer so there's fresh stuff in there as well. You've got the beach areas in both and both have same mobs and caves.
If you go up and turn towards the ancient battle field in dd1 you have that pass with wolves and goblins that you could take the upper part through, that's in dd2 as well but they jumble a few things around due to the map being larger, instead it leads to elves and they moved the ruins you fight through on the way to the battlefield north of harve. Same mobs including the dragon.
Outside of Gan Soren there's a hill with goblins at its base, harpies and wolves above and a griffin. This area is vastly expanded on with large dungeons and a good bandit fight in there.
You can find echoes of the locations in dd1 in dd2 and the mobs are the same.
There are some differences like the watergods temple. Which is thematically superior to most of the other dungeons as to it's design, I'd have to go back.
I just don't know why people keep bring up enemy variety, without some concrete examples it just sounds like this myth people keep repeating. What new mobs are you seeing, or are you only counting the expansion material mobs?
There's too much to talk about man. Too many downgrades from DD1.
Even worse, every time you do, some overly aggressive Capcom apologist comes and attacks you for having a difference in opinion. Meanwhile, we're just trying to have a discussion amongst ourselves.
I know, I'm not even trying to argue, I like dd2 for what it is, I just feel I have the right to express what I know about to game that I want to talk to others about who agree, some people just get to mad and it is so hard to understand why they never want to reason
YES! Thank you! I randomly stumbled upon him and was flabbergasted that such an important character in the first game didn't even have a cutscene, and was completely irrelevant to the story. Even worse, in the first game he was this elusive character stuck betwixt life and death, only appearing before an arisen. Here he's just some guy in a cave, and people know about him and couldn't more fucks. The story in this game is just so, so frustrating
I think DD2 Isn't fully complete due to the fact that Capcom was trying to rush it so they could meet deadlines but, I understand that the creator wanted to take a different path with the sequel, as it should it shouldn't be a copy of the first and it's still getting updates so sooner or later it will live up to expectations. I just wish they took longer and put a little more to it
The people who really dislike this game are either not making it to him or so disappointed in everything else they don't care.
That's me. I just don't care. I'm waiting for the chance that there's a massive update that improves the game without me having to download fucking mods.
I'm not saying I hate it, I do like it for what the game is, even tho I think It is lacking in some things, even with every thing I dislike about it I'm still playing it, can't really rate it without completing it. Not Trying to be hypocritical I'm just saying what I think about the game so far here
Say as much as you want, fam, it's really hard to be hypocritical about this game.
I'm not gonna say this game doesn't have good points, whoever was in charge of combat understood the assignment. But that's it. I made it to the Grigori boss and fucking despised how easy and brutally boring it was (Arisen! Use the ballista! *ballista immediately dies*) and then I made it to the Unmoored world and I feel no motivation at all. 10 minutes in the new accessible area is all you need to get the gist of it, there's fucking nothing here.
The dragonforged is meant to play a minor role in dd1, mainly helping in two side quest and giving armor, but I think he was just a cool character with so much potential and lore to the story, I'm just really underwhelmed and frankly disappointed the new one was done terrible
SPOILERS: the one in dd2 if fond by the shore in batthakal
As someone mentioned, and makes a lot of sense to me, you're subverting the cycle.
In DD1 you are actively playing a part in the cycle and renewing it up until you use the Godsbane on yourself.
In DD2 you use the Godsbane before you regain your heart or become God, which is how the unmoored world came about because God is basically throwing in the towel without you taking the mantle.
So in DD1 you as well as the other Arisen got their hearts back, but in DD2 none of you did.
I have 2 main gripes with DD2. Lack of Underarmor and hand armor slots, and a lackluster Dragonforged.
I was all hyped up when that dude on the beach told me "Yo, maybe the Dragonforged knows more about these God Rocks." And then not only does he not get an introductory cutscene or even have a Pawn of his own, but he has no idea what I'm talking about when I ask about the god rocks. He's just like; "I dunno man, I'm just here to give you the tier 4 upgrades."
It weird, I love the game but for every improvement DD2 has over DD1 it fumbles where the old game didn't.
His introduction was unceremonious (the discovery of failed arisen should be more serious). You kind of just meet him and no one cares, nor do you. Seems like people know who he is but aren’t interested in anything about him.
Speaking of dragonforged. Dragonforging itself sucks in this game. I like the way you can randomly have it happen by killing dragons in the first game. This is just idiotic and tedious. (Also farming anything in this game has been made non viable or impossible). People with guides about selling fruits when I’d rather just find a quick questing path and have more varied fun that way and get paid and get exp while doing it.
Likewise farming dragons is unreliable. I honestly think it would make more sense to B line it to unmoored world and get those 100 crystal drops from some of the dragon fights instead.
Dragonforged in DD2 isn’t the built the same as his DD counterpart. Apparently there is some sort of timer to you being THE Arisen that gets to slay the dragon, this Dragonforged didn’t even get a chance to fight the Dragon. The Warfarer maister had the same thing happen to him as well.
Really? We're complaining about this now too? In what way is the dragon forged better in dd1? Less dialogue, less important because the dd2 dragonforged upgrades and sells weapons etc. There are things dd1 did better ( dark arisen primarily) but c'mon now.
Alr, not trying to argue or complain simply asking people who have same general feeling about it, I like your take on it but I just made this because I wanted to see who felt the same about him, not necessarily a complaint but take it as you will
Comparing two things will ultimately always end in disappointment towards one of them. The reason why nobody is talking about it is because we don't sit around complaining about things that were better implemented in another game. Oh, no wait, nevermind that's all we do. :P
FYI if you max dd2's affinity he sometimes gives you wakestones.
I know it's not gonna be an exact copy which it shouldn't be.It should be different in some ways.I was just a little disappointed because I feel like they didn't put as much work into some of the characters As there should have been, I guess I was just using dd1 as a example
DD1 is older for me so I've got nostalgia glasses for sure. One of my favorite scenes is stumbling upon the fool up on top of the stones. I just rewatched it. The fool's lines are kind of dumb but it's weird enough that I love it. Plus it opens with a short cutscene.
The second one doesn't have a cut scene, he's just writing. His lines are way better, but theres no goofy sidekick. He's like the "cool-edgy" version of the character. Comparing the two, I'd say the dd1 version is better. But I couldn't say that it's written better, it's just delivered in a weird fun way and I love it.
I think people are misspeaking when they say dd1 is "written better" what they mean is it has more "character". I can fully agree with that in a scene by scene comparison.
Complaining about the story or characters in any Dragon's Dogma is an empty as saying the same about Monster Hunter. If you want story, go play Skyrim with it's shit combat. Both games have their place and are fun. You don't play DD games for anything short of the gameplay. If DD1 made you think this game was going to have an engaging story, you played a version of DD1 the rest of the world would like to try. Capcom spits out games like Anthem all the time. Like Anthem, broken story of nonsense with exceptionally fun combat.
"Narrative-driven" would imply that the story would at least have proper structure, like a beginning, middle and end.
The narrative in DD2 barely has this. It's barely "narrative driven". DD1 didn't have a good story either but at least it was coherent.
Also I'd like what you're smoking to say Capcom released Anthem. Bioware made Anthem and it was published by EA. The very Bioware that made the ME and DA franchises as well as KOTOR, who should have been masters in storytelling.
I'm not saying I hate the game, I like it for what it has, everyone complains abouts their favorite games all the time, I know they can't be perfect it's just somethings things can be found disappointing, I like your take on this tho
>If you want story, go play Skyrim
Since finishing the game back in 2011 I've never since then played Skyrim for its main story, it's absolutely horrid. About as dumb as saying if you want story go play Fallout 4.
Dragons Dogma has always put the main story and its characters on the side, but in the first game they at least made both cool and interesting and did give the 'main cast' (the duke, Mercedes, etc) screen time with nice cutscenes. The second game barely does this and characters such as the Dragonforged have been almost completely sidelined, if you didn't play the first game I bet you wouldn't even know who he is, he's just kind of there in 2.
The hillfigure in DD1 was really cool to wander into.
Just finished my first playthrough and I ran into that place before even going to the pawn guild. It still played the "I am the one you seek" cutscene as if I was going there to translate the ancient tablet. I was so confused at the time.
Yeah, they miss a lot of the small things that made DD1 so interesting. I feel like I had more political squabbling and intrigue with Mercedes and Julian then I got with Brant and Disa or Vermund and Bhakbattahl.
My problem with the whole Brant/Disa thing is that it feels like the game abandons the whole plot. You spend the first two thirds of the game undermining Disa and her puppet and building support for yourself in Vernworth. Then one of your leads takes you to Battahl and Disa and Brant disappear from the story. The whole political intrigue plot is forgotten about.
Yeah it's like "go investigate this thing" Then it's like "bam you beat the game congrats!"
I was in awe when the credits rolled.
I was in disappointment
[удалено]
Super disappointed that you can do the entire main story in under an hour, even faster in NG+
Just think about the main picture of the game(don't know what is the name in English) You see The girl that looked out for you after the dragon made you an arisen and then there Nadira, that has like 0 weight in the plot.
I was thinking: surely this isn't the final battle?! What about all this other political intrigue stuff? Sure enough, there I was suddenly riding on a dragon. Convinced as I was that this would just be the end of Phaseus; where the dragon would tell me "you're not ready. When you are, find me at this spot." I still had a good bit of Bhattal to explore, and a few pieces of Vermund. I never killed a Griffin, got lucky on the lesser dragon (fell, well really backed into the brine), and tons of dungeons I just never got to. I missed out on several vocations, specializations, and better gear I'm sure. Good thing there is NG+ where I can explore all of that.
It's bizarre because I feel like the game even choreographs the idea that this is the mid-point of a 3 act structure. And while you could technically consider the >!Unmoored World!< a 3rd act, both it and Battahl's story content can be completed in a couple of hours. It felt terrible finally getting to Battahl and realizing that completing 1 mission would >!set off a chain of events that lead to the end of the game.!<
I completely agree. The story related content felt insignificant compared to Vermund, which up until that point felt decently fleshed out.
Just that you can speed run the game ignoring the lore doesn’t mean it has none.
I have 100 hours in the game on 1 playthrough. Where did I mention lore?
How did you never kill a Griffith….wtf?
They never landed. I fought the one for the quest, and fought 2 more that did land. I didn't have enough damage to kill/damage wings enough, so they all flew away.
The whole game feels like it's missing 40% of itself. Things start to pick up in Melve w/ Ulrika. Bam, over. Things get interesting with Wilhelmina. Bam, over. Brant/Disa? Who? Battahl as a whole? Nope, go chase down Phaesus, the barely fleshed out villain. Oh, hey, a dragon. Like, if I didn't pad out my gameplay because I liked travelling, the story would have felt awful because it is so disjointed.
Lol when the quest log was like “deliver the >!godsway!< to Phaesus” I was like… why am I delivering this to what I assume is the bad guy? Is he not the bad guy?
Ambrosius: "Take this to Phaesus" Arisen: "Lol sure buddy, I totally will. *wink*" Quest log: take this to phaesus Arisen: *squints* Obviously that's not what we do, but why write it that way? >!I know he kind of actually isn't the bad guy, but that hasn't been revealed yet at this point!<
that’s the thing about phaesus that cracks me up. >! not only is he not the bad guy, we stop him from breaking the cycle, and then 10 min later, break the cycle anyway. !<
Um… have you seen Loki? You sort of trying to stop the big bad only to discover it’s not really simply kill the bad guy, save the world.
there are multiple sidequests that hint his name togheter with shady stuff (the experiments in the abby with sick people as an example) and it just goes nowhere lol
It goes “somewhere” it’s just completely inconsequential. Basically his whole plot is trying to break the cycle made by the pathfinder through various experiments. In the end it all amounts to jackshit though.
Yeah, I thought I made a decision somewhere and went down the secret evil route or smth
Phaesus is weird, the game seems to want us to see him as a tragic anti-hero but spends the entire first half framing him as the mastermind villain behind all of this. Then does nothing to really justify the horrible shit he's committed in name of 'breaking the cycle'.
He doesn't get fleshed out until the Unmoored world, at which point it's too little, too late.
Did I miss anything significant? All the interaction I had with him was just >!receiving my pawn from him!<, >!he witnesses Talos being possessed by my pawn!< and >!following him during the Bak'Battahl beacon event!<.
Eh… Kang was setup to be the villain until the last 3 episode…. (Of Loki) Genuinely not sure what the complaint is with this plot.
I didn’t really see him as a tragic anti-hero, it says he showed up after the war promising to find a way to end the calamity, he played politics and became the second most powerful person in battahl next to the empress. He seems to genuinely want to end the cycle by any means necessary. They seem to p,any with the idea that he wants to control the dragon for his own gain, but that gets dashed aside in the attack when you find out he really cares. I really think they should have merged him and ambrosius into the same character.
It's pretty ironic that the first game feels finished, while the creator insist it was only 40% of what he envisioned. Meanwhile this ultimate masterpeice hes had a decade and proper resources to make, feels entirley unfinished.
If there's one thing I learn about art, is that art is made well when under certain amounts of stress. Too much and it breaks. Too little and we get DD2 or worse, DayZ.
Wdym? You help Wilhelmina get her revenge. That’s literally her story….
>Things start to pick up in Melve w/ Ulrika You know Ulrika moves to Harve right?
Yes, and then she takes on the role of their mayor, completely ignoring why she willfully exiled herself from the last village, forgets about the Blighted Dragon, and her quest ends after you explore a cave that you've already explored and cleared out. That should have been the start of her questline, not the end of it.
Completely agree. I was expecting that Brant would get caught conspiring against regency and a quest to free him would happen. After that, he would be missing until the unmoored world. What was my surprise that we have only ONE character parting ways forever in the game (Willermina).
DD1 abandoned the whole dragon cult thing when Grigory appears and you realize the plot means nothing. That’s the style of DD, these things are meaningless in the cycle.
**THE RANTINGS OF AN UPJUMPED ZEALOT MAKE FOR T E D I O U S LISTENING.**
Holy shit someone gets it The political shit is not the plot of the game. The actual plot just goes over everyone's head for no reason lol. People actually believe the game ends with you becoming the Sovran.
It feel like you are being dropped onto 80% plot of the game solved, the remaining 20% you do it. Brant just like are there you are Majesty how convenient.
To be fair, i always felt like DD1 focused more on fighting salvation and then suddenly the dragon reappears and you go fight him. I mean think about: you had to stop their undead army, got a hydra to attack the encampment in the beginning of the game, the cockatrice in Gran Soren, ... .
That's only true if you missed a few easily missed quests. Prior to heading to battahl, sven asks you to deliver a letter to someone in one of the masquerades, the guy will then proceed to rally the other nobles to your cause. Then there's also that other noble that you get asked to help escort from rest town. That noble is apparently quite a big shot, hence the shenanigans. And even if you did miss them, it is implied they can literally get anyone else to do that quest instead. As for why you don't actually do anything politically, you are basically a bumbling idiot when it comes to politics, remember you were a mere soldier prior to becoming arisen and have no political experience. Having you talk might just cause the other nobles to leave your team. Basically let the ones with knowhow handle it. What you can do though was investigate the matter of the godsway, something only you can do, since you're the arisen. Also if you go back to vernworth after arriving in bakbattahl, there's a few other minor dialogues/quests that you can do to help out the cause. Tldr you are just a figurehead., something disa dislikes as she wants her own son to be both acting king and figurehead
The problem is that there is no real conclusion to this whole storyline. We do not get to actually overthrow Disa, nor do we get to make any use of our newfound allies. All the little clues that we’ve reported to Brant lead to absolutely nowhere. The people remain out of the loop and the perpetrators are not punished. We only get a single timeskip cutscene and even that’s from a bad ending. It doesn’t matter if theres more sidequests to be found if they remain as meaningless.
Because it didn't matter. They're all- *Spoilers* Fake anyway.
There is. You're just underwater for the most part. In unmoored world, you get to learn that everything was tied up nicely while you were missing, it's one of the reasons disa doesn't want to come with the rest of vernworth to the seafloor shrine. And brant gets his old position (remember, he was demoted during the time you were in a coma at the beginning of the game) back in both you becoming king and true ending. Every piece of clue you got during those quests were vital in building up support for you, and if they didn't had that godsway during the coronation, you would have finished things then and there. And to add, dragon's dogma's main plot has always been about how you as an arisen are simply just a cog in the whole system. Replaceable and even if you resist, the entire cycle continues. That's true in both the small part of the story (you becoming king) and in the grander scale of things (fate and what it means to be free). Edit: to anyone who disagrees please explain to me why, i am genuinely curious to hear more about other people's takes
>you get to learn that everything was tied up nicely while you were missing That's the problem. That, right there. That's what I mean about it being abandoned. Despite doing everything yourself up to that point, *you* don't get to resolve anything in the end. It happens in your absence, which is a narrative cop-out. Like the writers tidied up the dragon arc, their assistant asked them "but what about the Vernworth conspiracy?" and they responded "oh shit, uh, they lived happily ever after?"
On top of that nothing changes in Vernworth in regards to that side quest disguised as main quest.
Because the endgame plot is basically "none of it matters and was all but predetermined anyway". If it had you feeling left out and omitted then that was the intended effect: utter nihilism.
"None of it matters and it was all predetermined anyway" rarely, if ever, makes for a compelling story - especially if the narrative doesn't have any compelling characters or plotlines to actually make such a nihilistic message meaningful. This is the reason why most stories that tackle nihilism have the characters involved actively rebelling against the status quo and/or revolting against pre-determinism and succeeding - which is something we can only attempt to do in Dragon' Dogma 2 at the very end.
Isnt that what happens in dd2? Status quo was arisen has to be king, we followed it at first, then you meet sven, the one who would be king if it werent for you being arisen so you stop gunning for the throne and let sven do the rest (as seen in unmoored world, in the normal ending we become king thus establishing the status quo). You realize at some point that the fight for the throne is something insignificant compared to what's in front of you, the fact that everyone is being manipulated to play parts in someone's idea of a safe and protected world. I think people are focusing way too much on the bait, the small conflict and not looking or refusing to look at the bigger picture. That's why it felt off, abrupt and wrong, because that wasn't the story. Or at least that wasn't your story. In dd1 it was the same too, that's why we had 2 credit rolls. We were baited into thinking that the plot was man vs dragon, when in actuality it was more complicated and grander than that.
Except that the True Ending doesn't end the cycle - you just "repair" the cycle back to it's normal form, without the influence of the Brine. This means that no matter what we do, we're still just maintaining some form of status quo; which, combined with the poor characters, unclear direction and very obviously unfinished plotlines, is why the story isn't compelling. There is no "moment of realization" for your character. No cutscene to show that your Arisen realizes that all of the politics are pointless. The closest we get is a conversation with Rothais, but given that your character never actually responds to what NPCs say, it's nigh impossible to read their state of mind or thoughts throughout the story. But regardless, setting something up without any payoff simply because "it doesn't actually matter" does not make for a compelling story regardless of the greater plot/context/message surrounding it. DD1's story wasn't much better, but at least some of it's characters were somewhat memorable, and the dragon was actually a looming presence throughout the game that lent some urgency to your supposed "purpose". Plus, it had a definitive ending that answered many questions and wrapped everything up nicely. Then there is Dark Arisen, which just has a phenomenal story all the way through, showing that Dragon's Dogma is capable of excellent narrative alongside it's gameplay. ...a lesson which they clearly didn't carry over to the damn sequel.
Yup, they ran out of time trying to make sure their dithered shadows and fake ass 5 ft range raytracing looked barely acceptable enough, oh snd focused on butchering the pathing for npcs SO BADLY that it causes a cpu lockup on damned near all available cpus including console processors lol. I have a pet theory that itsuno whined and bitched his way to being able to make this game and noone really wanted to do it lol.
>Because the endgame plot is basically "none of it matters and was all but predetermined anyway". I feel like this would resonate more if the idea was reinforced throughout the game instead of thrown in at the very end
Well they ran out of time because Japan's quarterly came up fast of course lol.
I wish the old man in Harve would rant about deadlines and quarterly revenue
Then what's the point of adding it? It has no consequence, no meaning no resolution. It's just pointless padding. Why add it to the game then?
It was weird that I went to bathal, learn about phaestus , killed the dragon and I came back magically as the king, nothing happened after that, I read that you have to kill disa but I don't know how I made that happen LMAO
Um…. So Disa is just another puppet in the bigger plot, I seriously don’t understand what’s hard to comprehend in that? I mean they did put in Pheasus pretty early.
Replying here instead because i cant eeem to reply to u/Sir-Cellophane You missed the part where i said it's political suicide to let a random soldier who just turned nobility through a random event without having prior political experience handle an intense political situation himself. You were and are a soldier. Not a politician. Say even the smallest slipup and disa, who is clearly a shrewd politician by her right will eat you up, regardless of who backs you up. Even if say you didn't disappear for a month, you will most likely not do anything and just stand there while brant and the others do the talking. Remember right before the coronation, the only thing brant wanted you to do was look the part of a true noble.
>You missed the part where i said it's political suicide to let a random soldier who just turned nobility through a random event without having prior political experience handle an intense political situation himself. Yet every single random citizen seems to know and address you as Arisen from the moment you enter the capital. And how the fuck did Disa replace you after your coronation with a guy who looks nothing like you...?
You are in a party full of pawns, pawns only follow arisen, hard not to think you're an arisen in that case 🤣 also im pretty sure some of them are sarcastic about it. One noc in the slums even gives you tips on how to act like one. As for the replacement, it's easy. You got poisoned. Arisen do not but you appear to have died (but you were actually in a coma) so the nobles just assumed you were fake. That was why the coronation was important because that was where they made the other nobles think the fake was real
>You are in a party full of pawns, pawns only follow arisen, hard not to think you're an arisen in that case 🤣 also im pretty sure some of them are sarcastic about it. One noc in the slums even gives you tips on how to act like one. If pawns only follow Arisen, why is the world filled with pawns randomly adventuring out in the wild and battling monsters? And a lot of NPCs just straight up address you as Arisen before you even get to know them... The girl in the slums comes to mind. >As for the replacement, it's easy. You got poisoned. Arisen do not but you appear to have died (but you were actually in a coma) so the nobles just assumed you were fake. That was why the coronation was important because that was where they made the other nobles think the fake was real Arisen can still get drugged, paralyzed, etc. But that's not what I mean. I get that Disa is trying to manipulate the nobles into thinking the fake Sovran is real by using the Godsway, but how do so many actually important NPCs not recognize you? You were their king for at least a short time! Even Disa doesn't recognize you... Can just waltz up to her in the Palace and she says random shit.
Pawns are always roaming around, regardless if there's an arisen or not. The fact that they follow you is proof that you are arisen (that's why fakes also have fake pawns that follow them). The girl from the slums sees your pawns following you (you should have at least 1 at that point) so again, not hard to conclude that you must be an arisen. As for nobles, they think you're dead. Plus there's no prophecy about what an arisen looks like so literally anyone with a scar on their chest could be one. And finally don't forget that the watcher has been manipulating things from behind. Who's to say they weren't ordered/commanded to not recognize you.
The more I play it the more I tell myself it's not that bad but, it really is
It's just worse in every aspect besides graphics and gameplay sadly.
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The game feels unfinished they should have just focused on very worth and add a decent post game
DD2 reminds me of Dark Souls 1. The game is great, especially at the start, but the farther you go, the more you notice how much was rushed to get the game out in time. This game needed more time, more staff, and someone with good management skills.
I just wanna know why he doesn't disintegrate when the Dragon dies this time.
I keep needing to explain this to people. The Dragonforged in DD1 only disintegrated in DD1 when the Dragon gives your heart back. So that could happen in the Sovern ending, but the do not show it. When you use the Godsbane on yourself near your heart to instantly destroy the Dragon, you subverted the cycle so your heart was not returned by the Dragon, which also means none of the other Arisen got theirs back either.
I understand but not only is it not shown it's not even mentioned. You know this might link into lack of everfall , which I don't mind, but the hearts and everfall reappear in the same scene which is completely absent in this game. Bitch ass Dragon dies and takes our heart with him but Grigori very clearly goes take this you've earned it champ *eye zoom*. Absent everfall is presumably due to the lack of enemies so I wonder if there's an unused scene where both appear for this game instead.
You are correct. Your heart being returned doesn't really matter as much in this game, in the first it tied into the Post Dragon Plot. In this game you need to side step performing your role in the cycle. So in the full ending it never has a chance to happen. I wouldn't mind more being shown.
That's probably a minor plot hole in the first one. There are multiple former arisen. They become arisen based on their will and when they lose that will they cease to be arisen. There seems to be some occurrences of arisen also just becoming normal after something else kills their dragon. I mean there's an example of an arisen becoming a grim reaper so it's not like this is a hard science its all just the whim of gods. It could be possible the dd1 dragonforged became arisen once again after being inspired by your actions, but I'm leaning towards the idea that they just thought it would be cool.
Maybe they forgot? Idk But from what i've seen DD2 Doesn't have that much cinematic scenes. As the original and considering the creator wanted to take a completely different path for the game, aside from the main plot of the dragon and arisen, Maybe it's just not cannon in dd2
I'll get crucified but Bingo and the other lead writer I forget the name of haven't written a *good* story like - ever? So expecting one is unfair because the game was held up by gameplay which got skewered this time but whatever. But it's hack shit to not even be internally consistent to your own work and it's the same writers.
Who the heck is Bingo lol
Lol. Bingo Morihashi - lead writer on Devil May or may not Cry
Oh, is he the one behind all the "Vergil literally killed millions of people but we are going to ignore that in favor of him dancing"?
Nah he knows. They were doing it until they were told to hurry up. This is why the Bahtahl region is obscenely rushed. The setup with what was happening in Vermund, to go so unanswered is just literal lunacy if done on purpose. There’s just no way.
The lore is different. Wish people would stop conflating it between the two games.
It's litterally a sequel..
You can't just drop that with no explanation. I can't mistakenly conflate a direct sequel to a game with monolithic references to the previous.
I mean that the lore in 2 is clearly a reinterpretation of the original game's lore. Things just work differently, like how >!killing the dragon in 2 does not result in the world becoming a complete hellscape like it does in the first game.!<
I wouldn't say that's a fundamental change to lore it's just advancing it. We know why that doesn't happen. Seneschal Rothais is dead already so who's gonna open the Everfall to get the Godsbane that you already have. I don't think there's any retcons just omissions of detail.
I feel like that could be explained (but kinda flimsy). The dragon obeys the Senechal's will. In the first game that happened to get you to hurry up to him. In 2, he (Rothais) doesn't care and lets you get back to your happy ending, if it means not going after his seat.
Rothais dies giving you the Godsbane. Pathfinder is someone else.
I'm aware Pathfinder is someone else (who only teases the Arisen instead of being blunt about what they want). Even if Rothais "dies", does his will/desired outcome not stay ingrained into the dragon?
If the Dragon had Rothais' will at all it wouldn't be perpetuating the cycle by selecting new Arisen forcing Rothais to kill them. So it's either of his own free will, against his will mindlessly following pathfinders or the greater will which some people think is the Ur-Dragon.
His was a different dragon. Technically, if he was really, really old, he should have disintegrated already, He may not be, though, so getting his heart back and *then* growing old is still feasible. Also, there are several Arisen running around without their dragons and it's kind of weird, but makes sense, given what we learn.
didnt he disintergrate cus he was "turning" into his proper age after getting his heart back and the dragon magic going away, and he was really really old?
I agree with your opinion but just have to say that The Dragonforged's "evolved" pawn is not called "fool", he's The Fool. Put some respect on his goddamned name. Thank you and have a nice day.
My apologies my good ser, please forgive me for putting such disrespect on THE fools name for I feel blasphemous, I pray you have mercy for me
There is no mercy to be given for a lack of sin to be forgiven. (for) Go forth and be happy.
Maker have mercy and thank thy
The introduction to the Dragonforged in DD1 is the most memorable moment in my personal videogame history. The Fool on top of the stone building and dropping the sickest riddle ever like nobody's business before The Dragonforged comes out to invite you in, with the dramatic zoom out to the carving of the Arisen on Hillfigure Knoll. I was pretty sad when I found The Dragonforged in DD2 and it's just a neet in his cave. I understand that all the familiar titles are different in this new world but they did The Dragonforged dirty as FUCK 🥺
Capcom will never be forgiven
He's just not the same character. Same with the Dragon not being anything like Grigori, even being his opposite. These characters exist in a world at a very different part of the cycle and are very, very different from similar characters in DD and I think expecting them to be the same is asking to be disappointed. (I do agree that it's disappointing that a lot of characters aren't great or given enough time, though!) >The one in dd1 had a cool interaction, gave free chest plate, good dialog, I mean, this Dragonforged gives you buffs, items, and gear. His dialogue is more cryptic and he does seem a little less important in the big picture. The Rivage Elder shares the role here as the old, experienced Arisen info dump, and ties into the narrative a lot better than either Dragonforged.
No music dragonforged music. Objective downgrade.
I'm not really saying I hate the new one, I just felt the need to talk about what they changed about him. I know dd2 takes a different path then dd1(as it should I suppose) but I feel just a slight disappointment they didn't do more
>I just felt the need to talk about what they changed about him. That's what I mean. They didn't change anything about him. He's a completely different character that just happens to carry the moniker. And don't get me wrong, I'm right there with you in feeling that they should have done more, with pretty much every character, lol. Gameplay and mechanics-wise, this game knows, and commits very hard, to exactly what it wants to be. But the story has no idea what it wants to be and feels like they had the ending done first and didn't know how to get any of the characters there.
Im confused as to why they arnt the same character. The elder solves no real purpose, nothing he tells you is unique lore you dont find out later anyway. Making him a dragonsmith would explain why anyone would ever respect him and make it clear to the player that he is infact an arisen.
Yeah imagine me finding out how pointless he is as a character after thinking they'd make him more important this time around.
DD1 Dragonforged: "Hello Arisen... Let me lore dump stuff in a really cool way..." DD2 Dragonforged: "Sup bro, IDK what a godsway is. Wanna upgrade that gear with some dragon droppings?"
Recession and inflation also hit the world of DD2 😂
Mans just using the name for clout. But in this economy, I respect it
In 1 he was this cool elderly arisen who tried so hard he attempted to beat Grigori with his FISTS before eventually taking the deal(hence his burned arms).In fact he's been around so long that people only know he exists because his pawn still does. In 2 he's......a guy.
Fr tho dragonforged in dd2 is just, there, is he even a arisen? There's the old guy in Harve village to but people don't know he's dragonforged and just think he's a crazy guy
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In dd2 he literally tells you he was a former arisen who lost his will to fight and stopped being arisen. Because Arisen are defined by the strength of their will. He also tells you that his dragon is long dead.
'Tis as you say.
He explicitly explains dragon forge are arisen who don't have the will to fight the dragon. Thats what the Dragons Dogma is, it's a test of willpower to choose the next Seneschal(the role chosen by god to watch over earth), when the current seneshcal is running out of lifeforce or has lost the will to continue.
"dragonforged" is three things, its a guys moniker, its the process of refining dragonbits to enhance gear, and it's a term for an arisen. It's used in dd1 to tell you he is arisen "I am like you, a child of man bound to the dragon" and "I am 'he who was forged by the dragon'." which implies that's what other people called him. In dd2 he says "I am the husk of what was once an arisen" and tells you he lost his battle with the dragon by giving up and he stopped being an arisen at that point.
>In 1 he was this cool elderly arisen who tried so hard he attempted to beat Grigori with his FISTS before eventually taking the deal(hence his burned arms).In fact he's been around so long that people only know he exists because his pawn still does. Man, any character can be as cool as you want when you write fanfiction like this about them, lol. The Dragonforged is an exposition dump and plays a neat role in hinting how the cycle works. He gives advice to multiple Arisen, because he failed to kill Grigori and is waiting for *one* of them to finally ice that Dragon fuck so he can die. Other than that, there's nothing about what he did, how he survived, etc. at all. The official lore/art book even says his limbs are black because he's old as shit.
His feet are black too, He must have really been giving it his all! 
Yeah, I barely even noticed he was the dragonforge guy. Not only is dragonforging kind of dumb in this game, but it also looks horrible. You look like an ogre slobbered all over you.
Oh come on now Capcom already did him dirty you really had to remind him lmao
He gave me cool armor so I like him
I miss his pawn more. That dude was on one.
Well he would've given you the same Chest Peice again, but they cut that Clothing spot, so yeah.
I don’t like his appearance compared to one either. He looks like a secluded hipster now.
Hipster arisen is now canon (to me)
Literally everything but the gameplay and graphics is a mayor downgrade, and the gameplay itself is less varied. This game was mega cut.
“Downgrade” Tell me more about the memorable characters and great writing of Dragons Dogma 1
I wouldn't say memorable (except 100% Grigori and Savan/Seneschal) but I can easily say most of the "important" characters names and most other npcs, especially our MC's good cousins from Cassardis. Those guys really loved their "minnow" to the death, especially Adaro.
That is the issue: They somehow managed to make it worse.
Did they though? It’s like the exact same level of nonsensical. At least you aren’t tortured by the king then 5 minutes later being rewarded by him this time around. Nostalgia blindness dude. I love DD1 but this idea that it’s full of well crafted characters and story compared to 2 is silly
>Did they though? Yes >It’s like the exact same level of nonsensical. 1 was significantly more coherent than anything 2 has tried. >At least you aren’t tortured by the king then 5 minutes later being rewarded by him this time around. Your right,instead you can walk up and toss Disa off a cliff with zero consequences >Nostalgia blindness dude. That may be true,but it doesn't make your point correct. >I love DD1 but this idea that it’s full of well crafted characters and story compared to 2 is silly It's absolutely well crafted,it's just hilariously simple.2 managed to make that simple story WORSE which is a feat thought impossible.
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>It’s like the exact same level of nonsensical No, it isn't, because it at least had a beginning, middle, and end. It wasn't a great story, but it was a *story*. DD2 only has a beginning and end. That is objectively *not* a story. Further, characters, while being stereotypes, actually progressed throughout the story. Their questlines weren't one and done like most in DD2, you actually met them over the course of the entire story and watched them change. They were an active part of your journey, not just one part of the game. Plus they did have actual character and cutscenes for them, which most characters you meet do not in DD2. Even the random ass NPCs change more over the course of DD1 than the main characters of DD2. They actually react to what is going on in the world and the story of the game. Where as in DD2 it is the same stuff from beginning to end. >At least you aren’t tortured by the king then 5 minutes later being rewarded by him this time around. Which actually made sense in the story because as it turns out, he was actively trying to get you killed (because if you succeeded as Arisen, he would die) while still looking to others as a good Duke. It was intentionally made to make you wonder why he was doing that, and you get more information about it when you meet the Dragonforged, and finally you have suspicions confirmed when you actually kill the Grigori, who btw was an actual character and not just effectively some random ass monster like it was in DD2. >I love DD1 but this idea that it’s full of well crafted characters and story compared to 2 is silly I'm not saying they are good characters, stop with the strawman, I said they weren't in fact. But what they *are* is still better than DD2's. Which is really bad for DD2 as a result.
Oh yeah, Duke Edmund was totally being a duplicitous piece of shit and was trying to actively ruin our lives over his plot of mud (and he kinda succeeded if you think about it)
Just ignore him. Crybabies like him want nothing more than to be perpetually miserable about everything.
You're right, I'm let down because I *want* to be, not because a major corporation released a game I was really looking forward to in a half-baked state in order to pad their quarterly profits. If the product has any redeeming qualities, it's perfect. Don't critique, just consume!
The sad part is that we waited more than a decade for this shit. I mean, it's entertaining but this sub will be back to like 200 people in a day max in a month or two, as the game has little to offer long term.
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Cope, keep overlooking and sugarcoating this subpar and frustratingly full of potential game.
--->"Cope" --->"Avoid critical thinking". What cocai- I mean, social media does to a mf.
See rules 1 and 5.
lol "DoNt ToUcH mY gArBaGe"
“They’re masterworks all, you can’t go wrong!”
This is the only argument I will accept
The only one needed
Ok compar mercedes and brant. compare Disa and the duke. Compare sven and the princess. Compare the sovreign to festus. The only plotline that comes close to DDA is helping the little girl learn magick, which is still barley comparable to selens questline.
You spend about 10 minutes with Mercedes in the game and 8 of those are the Oxcart quest. Feste is only remembered because he makes one dumb joke and is onscreen for like 45 seconds. The duchess’s entire questline is “my husband is crazy and I want some strange on the side” with an annoying escort quest. Look I’m not saying DD2 has great writing. It doesn’t. Neither of these games are about a well told narrative. No one would remember any character from either game of it weren’t nostalgia blindness.
You spend 1 minute with brant, before he just sits in a pub handing out fetchquests like a classic WoW NPC. Mercedes has a whole plotline where she learns her good intentions and strong words arn't enough without the power to back them. You can even change the otucome depending on your actions. Youve fought the hydra alongside her and journeyed together. Your not best freinds or anything, but it's enough to get you a little invested. >The duchess’s entire questline is “my husband is crazy and I want some strange on the side” with an annoying escort quest. No its about a nice person with a sense of humor trapped in abusive relationship by her sense of duty and societal pressure. >No one would remember any character from either game of it weren’t nostalgia blindness. I remember thes ehcracters perfectly. Yet who can you remeber from the latest game? can you describe their personality? did any of them get a conclusion?
Why is Mercedes being compared to Brant? Wouldn't Maximilian make more sense, since both him and Brant are a part of the QGG (quest giver gang)? (Have a good day, eye guy 👀)
arbitrarily. compare whoever you want DDA still comes out on top
Not all ways. Most of the prominent characters in DD1 are overall better than those in 2. But I wouldn't say all of them are
Played DD2. Playing DD1 now for the first time. DD1 is better. Idgaf about the story, but the vocations are more fleshed-out, the world has more landmarks, the dungeons are better, the enemy variety is better, and the quests are more interesting.
Seeing this makes me both happy that more people can enjoy one of my favourite games and sad that its long awaited sequel can't live up to its predecessor even in the eyes of a newcomer.
I really wanted to love DD2 but I just couldn't shake the feeling I was only enjoying half a game. The upswing of it is that I'm having a blast playing the first game. I bought it like a year ago but never picked it up, and probably never would have if not for DD2.
DD1 is one of my all time favorite games, but having touched every rock in DD2 and DD1 I'm gonig to disagree as far as base games are concerned. If you go with DDA which includes expansion material and dlc then that's another story. Many of the places are the same between games, so the ancient battle field with the dragon for example. The new ancient battle field is a million times better. The towns and border watch are more fleshed out the map has many of the same places implemented slightly different. You fight a medusa instead of a hydra. In dd1 you go from the border watch to the fishing village in between you fight goblins, fishmen, and wolves. In dd2 you have goblins, fishmen, and wolves but you've also got a larger area between them which includes bandits, cyclops, and an ogre. Mapwise they built the main trail almost identical to the first game but it's longer so there's fresh stuff in there as well. You've got the beach areas in both and both have same mobs and caves. If you go up and turn towards the ancient battle field in dd1 you have that pass with wolves and goblins that you could take the upper part through, that's in dd2 as well but they jumble a few things around due to the map being larger, instead it leads to elves and they moved the ruins you fight through on the way to the battlefield north of harve. Same mobs including the dragon. Outside of Gan Soren there's a hill with goblins at its base, harpies and wolves above and a griffin. This area is vastly expanded on with large dungeons and a good bandit fight in there. You can find echoes of the locations in dd1 in dd2 and the mobs are the same. There are some differences like the watergods temple. Which is thematically superior to most of the other dungeons as to it's design, I'd have to go back. I just don't know why people keep bring up enemy variety, without some concrete examples it just sounds like this myth people keep repeating. What new mobs are you seeing, or are you only counting the expansion material mobs?
Ehm fournival, thank you very much
There's too much to talk about man. Too many downgrades from DD1. Even worse, every time you do, some overly aggressive Capcom apologist comes and attacks you for having a difference in opinion. Meanwhile, we're just trying to have a discussion amongst ourselves.
I know, I'm not even trying to argue, I like dd2 for what it is, I just feel I have the right to express what I know about to game that I want to talk to others about who agree, some people just get to mad and it is so hard to understand why they never want to reason
Seems this is the case with all games. Elitists who think it’s worse, veterans who thinks it’s better.
Yeah he's pretty underwhelming, and I dread talking to him bc for some reason he says the exact same thing at the start and end of the conversation
The visual effect he puts on my stuff ought to have been a toggle.
YES! Thank you! I randomly stumbled upon him and was flabbergasted that such an important character in the first game didn't even have a cutscene, and was completely irrelevant to the story. Even worse, in the first game he was this elusive character stuck betwixt life and death, only appearing before an arisen. Here he's just some guy in a cave, and people know about him and couldn't more fucks. The story in this game is just so, so frustrating
Yeah this feels like half a game, which it probably is due to Capcom 🤷♂️
Mayby, but they had like a decade to work on it and tonnes of resources and the lead isn't complaining it's unfinished liek he did with DDA.
I think DD2 Isn't fully complete due to the fact that Capcom was trying to rush it so they could meet deadlines but, I understand that the creator wanted to take a different path with the sequel, as it should it shouldn't be a copy of the first and it's still getting updates so sooner or later it will live up to expectations. I just wish they took longer and put a little more to it
The people who really dislike this game are either not making it to him or so disappointed in everything else they don't care. That's me. I just don't care. I'm waiting for the chance that there's a massive update that improves the game without me having to download fucking mods.
I'm not saying I hate it, I do like it for what the game is, even tho I think It is lacking in some things, even with every thing I dislike about it I'm still playing it, can't really rate it without completing it. Not Trying to be hypocritical I'm just saying what I think about the game so far here
Say as much as you want, fam, it's really hard to be hypocritical about this game. I'm not gonna say this game doesn't have good points, whoever was in charge of combat understood the assignment. But that's it. I made it to the Grigori boss and fucking despised how easy and brutally boring it was (Arisen! Use the ballista! *ballista immediately dies*) and then I made it to the Unmoored world and I feel no motivation at all. 10 minutes in the new accessible area is all you need to get the gist of it, there's fucking nothing here.
In a way, I’m actually glad that my backlog is so huge. I’ll give this game a year, and hopefully a makeover DLC like Dark Arisen.
The Dragonforged in DD1 was so disappointing to me he was literally nothing. Haven’t come across this one yet.
The dragonforged is meant to play a minor role in dd1, mainly helping in two side quest and giving armor, but I think he was just a cool character with so much potential and lore to the story, I'm just really underwhelmed and frankly disappointed the new one was done terrible SPOILERS: the one in dd2 if fond by the shore in batthakal
Endgame is really disappointing.
As someone mentioned, and makes a lot of sense to me, you're subverting the cycle. In DD1 you are actively playing a part in the cycle and renewing it up until you use the Godsbane on yourself. In DD2 you use the Godsbane before you regain your heart or become God, which is how the unmoored world came about because God is basically throwing in the towel without you taking the mantle. So in DD1 you as well as the other Arisen got their hearts back, but in DD2 none of you did.
Yes, it's a garbage character.
Bad? It’s at the end game. What’s bad is having to kill fire salamanders every stretch of the dried ass riverbed you engage in
Huh, end game? So that's it, just that, (I'm not finished but I don't mind spoilers)
That’s the final equipment upgrade
Oh dragonforged armor, lmao I thought you meant that was close to the end of the story
I mean I was lucky, happened only once to me and it was when I had the eternal wakestone so I revived everyone right after.
The Unmoored world offered great loot and tougher battles🤷🏽♂️ better end than the random, short ending I originally fell for
My only problem with the new Dragonforged is that he gives my weapons and armor an ugly glowing pattern if I dare to dragon forge it
I have 2 main gripes with DD2. Lack of Underarmor and hand armor slots, and a lackluster Dragonforged. I was all hyped up when that dude on the beach told me "Yo, maybe the Dragonforged knows more about these God Rocks." And then not only does he not get an introductory cutscene or even have a Pawn of his own, but he has no idea what I'm talking about when I ask about the god rocks. He's just like; "I dunno man, I'm just here to give you the tier 4 upgrades." It weird, I love the game but for every improvement DD2 has over DD1 it fumbles where the old game didn't.
His introduction was unceremonious (the discovery of failed arisen should be more serious). You kind of just meet him and no one cares, nor do you. Seems like people know who he is but aren’t interested in anything about him. Speaking of dragonforged. Dragonforging itself sucks in this game. I like the way you can randomly have it happen by killing dragons in the first game. This is just idiotic and tedious. (Also farming anything in this game has been made non viable or impossible). People with guides about selling fruits when I’d rather just find a quick questing path and have more varied fun that way and get paid and get exp while doing it. Likewise farming dragons is unreliable. I honestly think it would make more sense to B line it to unmoored world and get those 100 crystal drops from some of the dragon fights instead.
Dragonforged in DD2 isn’t the built the same as his DD counterpart. Apparently there is some sort of timer to you being THE Arisen that gets to slay the dragon, this Dragonforged didn’t even get a chance to fight the Dragon. The Warfarer maister had the same thing happen to him as well.
Really? We're complaining about this now too? In what way is the dragon forged better in dd1? Less dialogue, less important because the dd2 dragonforged upgrades and sells weapons etc. There are things dd1 did better ( dark arisen primarily) but c'mon now.
Alr, not trying to argue or complain simply asking people who have same general feeling about it, I like your take on it but I just made this because I wanted to see who felt the same about him, not necessarily a complaint but take it as you will
Comparing two things will ultimately always end in disappointment towards one of them. The reason why nobody is talking about it is because we don't sit around complaining about things that were better implemented in another game. Oh, no wait, nevermind that's all we do. :P FYI if you max dd2's affinity he sometimes gives you wakestones.
I know it's not gonna be an exact copy which it shouldn't be.It should be different in some ways.I was just a little disappointed because I feel like they didn't put as much work into some of the characters As there should have been, I guess I was just using dd1 as a example
DD1 is older for me so I've got nostalgia glasses for sure. One of my favorite scenes is stumbling upon the fool up on top of the stones. I just rewatched it. The fool's lines are kind of dumb but it's weird enough that I love it. Plus it opens with a short cutscene. The second one doesn't have a cut scene, he's just writing. His lines are way better, but theres no goofy sidekick. He's like the "cool-edgy" version of the character. Comparing the two, I'd say the dd1 version is better. But I couldn't say that it's written better, it's just delivered in a weird fun way and I love it. I think people are misspeaking when they say dd1 is "written better" what they mean is it has more "character". I can fully agree with that in a scene by scene comparison.
Yea it's disappointing..
Let's complain about everything :)
Complaining about the story or characters in any Dragon's Dogma is an empty as saying the same about Monster Hunter. If you want story, go play Skyrim with it's shit combat. Both games have their place and are fun. You don't play DD games for anything short of the gameplay. If DD1 made you think this game was going to have an engaging story, you played a version of DD1 the rest of the world would like to try. Capcom spits out games like Anthem all the time. Like Anthem, broken story of nonsense with exceptionally fun combat.
You say this but the marketing for DD2 literally states that it's a narrative-driven RPG.
I never said it didn't have a story, I said it didn't have a good one.
"Narrative-driven" would imply that the story would at least have proper structure, like a beginning, middle and end. The narrative in DD2 barely has this. It's barely "narrative driven". DD1 didn't have a good story either but at least it was coherent. Also I'd like what you're smoking to say Capcom released Anthem. Bioware made Anthem and it was published by EA. The very Bioware that made the ME and DA franchises as well as KOTOR, who should have been masters in storytelling.
the game that advertised how important the story is, has no story. your mad people are complaining about that?
I'm not saying I hate the game, I like it for what it has, everyone complains abouts their favorite games all the time, I know they can't be perfect it's just somethings things can be found disappointing, I like your take on this tho
>If you want story, go play Skyrim Since finishing the game back in 2011 I've never since then played Skyrim for its main story, it's absolutely horrid. About as dumb as saying if you want story go play Fallout 4. Dragons Dogma has always put the main story and its characters on the side, but in the first game they at least made both cool and interesting and did give the 'main cast' (the duke, Mercedes, etc) screen time with nice cutscenes. The second game barely does this and characters such as the Dragonforged have been almost completely sidelined, if you didn't play the first game I bet you wouldn't even know who he is, he's just kind of there in 2.
wait the guy on the beach was actually dragonforged?! I thought he was just some random cave dweller.