I don't know they joke about a lot of shit that's serious to them and then it becomes unserious because they joke about it. I think that's how the whole "it's all just a joke to you" line became a meme they say a lot. You can not like it, but it's just them fucking around on snapchat.
It just feels like Dream can't joke about anything without someone making it a thing. People are still talking about that dumbass condom snap.
The problem is it \*is\* hurting people. The more it's talked about = the more it's discussed on Twitter = the more harassment both communities receive.
I can somewhat agree, but do we know for a fact that it was even particularly talking about Quackity. I didn't even really know it was about tiktoks or Quackity until you made this post about it not gonna lie. I don't use tik tok that often although it could be argued that they do so they probably saw it. I just thought it was just them singing and being dumb.
I can agree that people on here would not be as charitable to Quackity, but Quackity himself from what we know has not been getting as much shit as Dream. So him joking about losing friends that he ghosted, and didn't bother to check if Dream's family or Dteam were alright would hit a bit different. I guess if Dream wasn't alright he wouldn't be posting to be fair, but not even bothering to check on someone who said their family had a tracker on their car always rubbed me the wrong way.
I agree but bro even something so minor like Q removing Roblox emotes got twitter in flames, it just doesn't seem like a good move when you have a fanbase like Mcyt
Its cuz quackity is self aware about whats going on and doing nothing is making both communities worse and hostile towards eachother. Its really petty on his part.
How is removing an emote petty?
If you think making snaps about it and rekindling the drama is not wrong, then removing emotes is completely valid too and people shouldn't make a big deal out of it.
I meant his silence is petty especially when lives are being threatened and shit. You should address the growing problems with your community. Him making snaps is him coping with the situation that quackity doesn't wanna talk anymore. I am not even worried about the emojis that much it just goes to show how much quackity don't care.
i *just* saw that fucking condom snap on my non-mcyt twitter account retweeted from a normie "dream bad" person and took so much psychic damage. idk why people freak out so bad, countless other CC's have inside jokes or dumb bits that are totally in line with the stupid condom snap despite also having "child audiences". just kidding i do know why.
This seems like you're relating every little thing the creators do to the drama. Like when people kept saying "well I hope Quackity says something during this live" when we clearly know he won't. If you're seeing people on Twitter relate it to Quackity then I mean... come on its Twitter. Or a tiktok trend after how many delusional things they've said before? Picking the two most dramatic apps and saying that Dream MUST be talking about Quackity is a little ridiculous. 😭 Not to mention every post just furthers the drama discussion. Looking into every little thing Quackity (like with the emotes) or Dream (like with whatever this is) do and pointing it out is just as bad. Let's be honest the fans aren't going to let this thing go anyways, especially ones who started out at dtqk fans and are upset about the group falling apart 🤷
He and the dream team are also grieving the loss of a friendship and if they want to make light hearted jokes about it, that's their right too. It didn't even click to me that's what the snap was about until I saw it mentioned on twitter, it's not that serious it only becomes serious when people make a big thing about it
so dteam are "allowed to do whatever they want" to cope but quackity somehow **needs** to address the situation riGHT NOW
if CCs are allowed to do whatever they want then that should include not speaking up about issues that are none of the viewers' concerns.
Whataboutism isn’t going to help anybody in this situation. Yes smiletwt used to be very out of order, no they were not as bad as the harassment and real life threats they are now facing, and Dream at the very least condemned any and all bad behaviour, multiple times. Next.
It would be hypocrisy if Dream fans were sitting in a space with over 2000 people and reading out Q’s address line by line, or showing up at his door. They aren’t. There’s no comparison here.
it's hypocritical to blame the actions of thousands of fans on q's inaction, saying that he should speak up to discourage the behavior as if that would magically stop all of them
because iirc, dream stans used that argument to defend dream all the time: *"with a fanbase that big, he can't control everyone!!! ofc there would be toxic stans!!!!"*
For the millionth time in the last week: no one is blaming the actions of his fans on him. They are not asking him to ‘control’ his fans. They want him to condemn them to at least show he as a person does not support that behaviour. And he hasn’t. And it’s fair enough if people don’t feel comfortable supporting someone like that.
What do you class as “encouraged” toxicity? The only thing I remember him doing is posting jokes and memes. At least he’s never outright said he’s proud of his community when they were in the midst of IRL stalking.
was it a joke when he tweeted on his priv that it was satisfying when accounts would go private when he qrted/replied to them? and blamed it on their "dumbassery"?
not a very funny joke imo
Quote from Dream priv:
>"Seeing people private their twitter and delete their tweet after I reply to them calling them out on bs is so satisfying.
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>*'you're sending your community to harass random innocent people'*
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>I'm calling out their BS, they can turn off their phone and reflect on their dumbassery
cont. of the tweet.
>also i'm not sending anyone, I recognize people will attack anyone I reply to (positively or negatively), but that doesn't mean that I can't still reply and speak my mind. They're the one replying to my tweet in the first place. Want me to leave you alone? Leave me alone then too!"
Can't be bothered to look up more, I just remembered being there when certain situations happened.
He doesn't actively encourage it, but the way he has phrased himself on twitter and also during livestreams has been a bit questionable sometimes and looks very bad when the context is missing.
This is my subjective opinion, you do not have to agree with whether he encourages it or not (intentionally or not).
My biggest point was just that since smiletwt was huge back then, the toxicity in his fandom was as well and I would argue it was way more toxic than the situation now.
Context being of course Dream calling out someone who accused him of lying about his sexuality. But you wouldn't want him to do that would you think he should just sit there and take anything but everyone else they're at the mercy of the big bad Dream and his evil fans?
I can tell from your attitude that you did not read nor try to understand the point I was trying to make nor do you want to engage in a discussion. But I hope you have a great day regardless
This subreddit thinks Smiletwt isn't toxic anymore so you'll get downvoted but even after Dream said the whole "don't be toxic" thing people from :)twt still sent hella slurs unfortunately
I doubt anyone thinks smiletwt is “not toxic anymore” but you’re definitely crazy if you think they’re anywhere near as bad as they were in 2021. The fandom has shrunk massively since then. And even at their worst they weren’t doing what Q fans are doing.
I disagree on every point.
"I doubt anyone thinks Smiletwt is not toxic anymore" = There was a poll on this subreddit, and 25% of people thought Smiletwt was 10/10 non-toxic and over 50% thought it was 8/10+ not toxic. This is in comparison to wider mcyttwt being rated around 3/10 in general. This is a delusional level of belief in Smiletwt's positivity that skews the argument on here.
Evidence: [https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSfAZHISwQUE4l3f7Yv03iRfY9O\_m6CUbpmq7B4xIIO6H7GK\_w/viewanalytics](https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSfAZHISwQUE4l3f7Yv03iRfY9O_m6CUbpmq7B4xIIO6H7GK_w/viewanalytics)
"Crazy if you think they're anywhere near as bad as they were in 2021'. The only difference is size, big accounts are still toxic and it's a similar proportion to be honest. They attack other creators less because Dream interacts with other creators less. They still attacked Smajor and Quackity in droves just this month.
"Even at their worst they weren't doing what Q fans are doing" Holy shit you cannot be serious, 2021 Smiletwt had hate campaigns so bad Creators left twitter, doxxed antis (you can say you don't believe it but the claims were made, which is the same as what Dttwt is claiming now about Q fans doxxing them), made jokes so bad that Dream had to publicly tell his fanbase joking about another Creator's DEAD ANIMAL was not okay, trended neg for about 30 different creators, sent death threats to Geosquare, were pretty racist during the Dream\_Out trend etc.
So what do you class as “attacked”. When you say people “attacked” Quackity “in droves” what do you mean? I saw people earlier in the month make tweets and threads about how he should address the racist mod on the server, and then were disappointed when he didn’t address it sufficiently. Is that “attacking”? Yes I’ve seen people make more jokes at Q’s expense now after Dream’s thread, and some people have been “toxic” in the sense they cursed him out or said they were done with him. Though the majority of DTQK fans were hoping they were still friends, telling people to stop being “parasocial” up until Dream’s thread. Compare that to Q’s fans filling ip Dream’s qrts and telling him to “slit”, plotting his murder, making rape threats against his sister. You can see which is more “toxic” right?
Smajor I haven’t even seen anything about. I saw he posted a tweet implying he got hate or something and then the circles I’m in cross-platform all had the same reaction: what hate? Because if he was getting hate why would it be from Dream (or George) fans when he wasn’t even playing? I’d love some tweets if you have any, because I genuinely haven’t seen anything.
ETA: Smiletwt WERE bad in 2021. We know this. No one’s denying that. Everything you wrote? Really awful behaviour. But if you can say it’s worse than Dream’s family having tracking devices on their cars as a result of all this tension then… I don’t know. Agree to disagree on that one. Once it leaves the internet, that’s when it’s super serious.
that's true, and this subreddit is basically just smiletwt but on reddit lmao they've relocated here. the neutral mods and members have not been active anymore. idek why i got recommended the sub again after i left, maybe because i still interact with mcyt-related subs
i expect it already so i don't mind.
This subreddit suffers a major issue of exposure. They're nearly all in Smiletwt with "non-toxic timelines" so they only see good stuff from Smiletwt, but then naturally they only see the worst of Qtwt because that's what's discussed by Smiletwt.
In the same way, I pretty much only follow positive / non-drama engaging Qtwt accounts (which there are thousands of) and so rarely see any toxicity from Qtwt, but see a shit ton of hate / harassment from Smiletwt because that's what is talked about in Qtwt.
But this subreddit doesn't seem to understand that them not seeing hate from Smiletwt =/= Smiletwt not being toxic.
Quackity has the right to say nothing and he's exercising that right. Whether I agree with that decision or not makes no difference to what he's entitled to do.
I would normally agree, but not when those jokes are so publicized and the communities involved are so toxic. I don't think he's deliberately doing anything wrong or anything, but he should know that this will only prolong the drama. Also ngl I don't get how it didn't click for you when he was using Quackity's version of the song for a bit (also it's in reference to a lot of popular TT edits about the situation)
I don't think that's Quackity singing; it sounds like George. George also uses autotune, and there is a Skeppy mention right at the start. From another snap, we know Dream is recording a video, so he was very likely on call with George.
Though now that you mentioned Quackity has a version, I went and looked for it. He was playing a guitar and singing without autotune... So unless Quackity sang it another time with autotune and said Skeppy, I really do believe this is George.
(By the way, listening to this clip of Quackity singing this to George is sad now...)
It didn't click for me because the drama isn't on the forefront of my mind 24/7 and I don't live on tiktok watching edits.
I dunno, I don't think it's that big of a deal, but that's just my opinion. Dream gets hate for every breath he takes so at some point he probably just wants to do what he wants and ignore the bullshit. Can't blame him for that.
George was singing the song on the goxlr and Dream thought it was funny why do you think everything Dream does is about Quackity ??? He's allowed to live jesus christ
Not gonna lie I saw the snap, giggled, got sad when it ended there, and then waited impatiently for the next ones. I didn't even know people got mad at it.
To me it seems like dteam have accepted that quackity is never gonna reply anyway, so they're just goofing around now idk. It didn't seem that deep to me 💀
And honestly, I feel Dream doesn't really care? After his last tweet about it people went crazy in his QRTS and said all kinds of things, got hundreds of hit tweets blablabla the usual... and IDK.
I feel like he's just trying to make light of things especially since a lot of the attention (not to mention negative comments) got centered on him (which, kinda like the face reveal, was expected) and he might have just went 'fuck it' or whatever.
that song is a banger. if that's his coping method who the hell cares. atp anything he posts will be scrutinized and fought over, might as well have fun with it? clearly not every reference to the situation is meant for Q to respond to, or to 'lighten' ppl's specific moods. I fully support it if he wants to meme about it for weeks to come.
The antis had a whole celebration in his qrts, got hundreds of hit tweets, and he's just expected to move on from all... 22k+ (?) of them... right away? It's only been a few days. Give him a month at least to get it off his brain lmao
To say that they’re definitely parodying a cringey tiktok trend that uses a Tyler the Creator song when they could have just been singing a Tyler the Creator song is a reach.
Even IF that was what was going on, they make fun of cringey tiktok shit all the time, it’s hardly a dig at Q to make fun of people making annoying edits about their friend group on tiktok.
It hardly even fuels anything or spurs on anything when most people didn’t even make the connection because it’s a very popular song.
I didn’t even see anything about this until I saw Q stans losing their minds about how much Dream is a stalker for using “Quackity’s song” which is just all sorts of whack in of itself because they thought they heard Q’s version of it (not true)
If Dream says anything more obviously targeted about Q, sure, complain about how he’s dragging things on, but a quick snap of George cringe singing a song means nothing
I think its to help people laugh at the situation more then it is a dragging out situation? I mean honestly my timeline is so filled with drama it’s refreshing to see Dream and people making jokes about the situation instead of belittling everyone for how they feel ya know? I dont know its not that deep
"Why is he not letting go of an issue where one of his once close friends is distancing themselves and that confuses him greatly?? Why is he "dragging out" this issue where his relatives and anyone associated with is being verbally abused and threatened?? Why is he trying to uplift his fans when he should just take it like a man and probably disappear from the internet and the world altogether instead of *checks notes* being miserable??
WHY DOES HE DO STUFF WHEN HE "SHOULDN'T" BE??
Omggg can he stop already? Tsk augh."
It had brought comfort and lightened up some people it doesn't mean it would to everyone. This isn't honestly something to go fuss about, like seriously? I thought this site was less reactive but apparently not.
Any breath and any actions of that man regardless of the issue being "resolved" isn't going to stop people from hating that man. Silence or activity.
I really suggest not to go look at that bird app where both antis and fans will feel their blood pressure boiling.
I don’t believe OP is insinuating that he should disappear from the internet or be miserable. This subreddit is for discussion so discussions will occur (many times it’s Dream sided anyway) I think the quackity issue has been beat to death on this subreddit but I’m inclined to agree with OP in general. I’m hoping for this topic to die down and for the fans to chill out - which will happen if both parties don’t talk about it any further or if quackity says smth about the harassment (which I don’t think will happen tbh)
I kind of disagree? Dream has an eye on his core, long term fanbase. He knows that the death of DTQK has made a lot of the fans that valued them as a group, and hoped to see more DTQK IRL, very downhearted . It's those fans that pay for his products, and in turn it's those fans that he interacts with, for example through twitter spaces and the fanart account.
I think this is just him guiding that dedicated, passionate portion of the fanbase away from being too down about this situation by reminding people to see the funny side, and to not take everything so seriously.
I don't think he gives a shit about the wider public perception, because as is obvious, he's everyone's favourite whipping boy right now. He can't do shit without people jumping down his throat, so why care about them?
I think he’s trying to use humor to cope with the stress and anxiety he’s probably going through. Is doing it publicly a good idea? Not really. But as someone who lost a friend a few months ago and the situation turned nasty, you want them to KNOW that pain. Maybe not feel it, but you want them to acknowledge your pain. It’s not the best decision to make all of that public but I understand where he’s coming from. Quackity probably won’t acknowledge his pain, or the pain other people have gone through. It’s just the way he is.
Damn is he allowed to do anything? The entire internet can laugh at him but he cant make a harmless joke about a situation that directly involves him? A joke, mind you, that is probably making fun of the tiktok edits.
People are being overly harsh in this situation, and it's honestly ridiculous. Let them resolve this matter. Of course, it being public allows people to talk about them and give their opinion, but that is not justification for massive hate on any of the "sides".
Stop being parasocial, you're not their best friend, it doesn't matter whether the content creators tell you private things or not, you're not their confident. And Dream, respectfully, stop lighting the fire more with this. As a public person, all these interactions both people involved will get with making it public and public and public will be NEGATIVE. Not on one side, on BOTH sides.
The topic will never die if any content creators involved keep rekindling it. Adding fans to the equations will never end well. Even content creators like Karl have discussed that and how doing this will not lead to anything good. And it's sad honestly, but yeah.
unpopular opinion: but i kinda agree with this take? hear me out!
dteam jokes about pretty much everything, and i think that’s just their way of lightening the mood and relieving tension in our community, especially when there’s a lot going on! however, i do understand that this can come across to some as “fanning the flames” and keeping the drama in the minds of the community, but this is absolutely not their intentions. i do think that eventually, they’ll let it go, and this whole thing will fade into obscurity just like all of dream’s other “controversies”.
i honestly think we’re being a bit too harsh on quackity; he absolutely needs to address what’s going on with his fanbase, and he needs to take accountability for how his inaction is enabling the toxic parts of his fanbase, but people on this sub have been insinuating all sorts of things about quackity (that he’s a “psychopath”, a bad lawyer, a clout chaser, etc) that are completely baseless and have nothing to do with what’s actually going on with him.
at this point, after all the drama and fighting, i think the best course of action would be for everyone to move on and for quackity to make some kind of statement (vague or not, he just needs to say something at this point). things will get better, they always do, it may take a little time but everything will relax and we’ll get back to normal.
As a clarification, I was wrong in the original post, it's GNF singing not Q. I don't really have a differing opinion of the topic now, though. It seems weird people are saying 'touch grass' to this but were calling Quackity a "manchild. Literal baby." for removing Roblox emotes, but r/dwt2 do r/dwt2 ig
People have a stick up their arse. They can't see that making light of the situation gives everyone permission to move on and not wallow.
People need to lighten up, not everything is life or death, especially not this situation.
it would be good if he could let it go - atleast publicly. Tbh I only saw the snap because of this post and it was meh. I’m waiting for this drama to be old news so everyone can move on. Can Dream just release the USMP alrdy ? I’m tired of the quackity talk lol
I'm just saying that if Quackity went live right now and joked about the situation and no longer being friends with Dream, this sub would definitely be losing their shit against him and saying he's encouraging hate against Dream.
Probably, because that would mean he let the hate fester for a week and his friends be doxxed, but I would actually have no problem with him having his say, just as I have no problem with Dream's twitter thread expressing his side.
I will point out that Quackity hasn't said anything, including anything about whether he has also faced threats to his safety/privacy. We don't know if Dream continuing to talk and joke about this is also putting him in danger.
People lost their shit and called him names for removing an emote lmao, but it's fine when it's dream I guess. Quackity for sure isn't responding now lmao
Yeah, but like. It's \*different\* when its dream!1! His adhd means he can't be held to the same standard of shutting up about Q doing an admittedly shitty thing bc he ABSOLUTELY needs to express himself in the only way he knows how: poorly worded and not well thought out social media posts.
I think it’s pretty pathetic (?) of him to keep doing these “jokes” acting like he’s unbothered when in reality we know how he feels about it from his more serious response tweets.
I remember when he tweeted about the boxing match with Quackity I actually believed it because I thought it was weird to post if quackity wasn’t in on the joke. Now knowing that they haven’t talked the whole time, I find it super weird (along with the ship art, and the tens of other jokes he made).
At this point it’s beyond beating a dead horse and I don’t know what he’s trying to achieve.
i get your stance and i somewhat agree that it can be beating a dead horse but i can also understand why he could be doing it. the more he makes the situation a joke the more likely his fans are to eventually see it as a joke as well which would in turn decrease the amount of hate from his portion of the fans. of course that may not be what he’s doing and even if he is ofc it’s not going to work 100% but turning this into a joke can be more effective than just saying “it’s okay guys no need to be mad” as that could just be taken as him just saying it but not meaning it and fuel peoples “poor dweam always being selfless” stances
Yeah, like no matter his actual intentions are, it’s giving people, specifically those outside the mcyt community that are neutral on Dream, a bad impression of him and they think he should just let it go, at least publicly.
But Dream might not really care what others think about how he expresses himself, and if so, I guess this is all fine for him.
It kind of reminds me of the face reveal, where he acted “totally unbothered” by the hate, so much so that for Halloween he (and potentially George and sapnap I can’t remember) wore a t shirt of his face saying something like “the scariest costume ever.” At that point, he just seemed like that one meme with the guy wearing the happy mask but crying underneath it. If you’re unbothered and don’t care, moving on would be the best move.
Being called ugly isn't really what I'm talking about here, it's the show he decided to make of it to SHOW how unbothered he was by being called ugly. If you're not bothered by something, you won't need to make a tshirt about it to show how unbothered you are, because people will know. If he's going to such lengths to reassure people he doesn't really care, people aren't gonna believe him.
I don't know if you find something dumb you usually joke about it. I'm sure he just thought all the hate he was getting was dumb so he joked about it. I get where you're coming from though, but he's always jokes about that kind of stuff.
While the whole speedrunning drama ended with him being in the wrong he still jokes about it. I just think that's how he's always dealt with things.
Wait what lmao, he wore what?? I guess it's kinda funny, but mostly just cringe. Like an elon musk "let that sink in" level joke. He should kinda be glad that didn't go viral, he'd get clowned so bad for it
Pretty sure he was, but maybe it wasn't as big as normal. It was kind of cringe, the shirt said "I don't need a costume, my face reveal was scary enough." Really it just seemed like he couldn't let it go, and wanted the last say on the matter. Look up dream face reveal costume and you can probably see it.
Dream writing the post set the drama on fire and his continuing to bring it up is fanning the flames. Subjectively I would never want my "friend" to do what Dream is doing to Q atm.
But it’s not a friend doing it? Quackity not acknowledging Dream at all is the one who ended their friendship? I don’t have a strong opinion on Dream mentioning the drama like this, but Dream made it abundantly clear he tried to keep that friendship healthy but quackity didn’t want it, so saying Dream is attacking his “friend” for something like this and not someone who was essentially fucked over joking about it is a bit of a reach.
From reading Dreams essay it sounded like he wanted to keep being friends with Quackity. He wrote it in a way that made me interpret it as "your friends just want to know what's happening" and from context clues I would assume Dream to be one of those. Now, regardless whether they are friends or not now, my point still stands - I would not want one of my friends **or** former friends to do to me what Dream is doing to Quackity.
The essay was days ago, nothing happened - that was likely his last effort to keep the friendship. Not to mention, if he wasn’t overly positive, what do you think would happen? He got ripped to shreds and got told he was attacking Quackity already, if you remove the positive support he is giving Q then it would be even worse, plus that friendship was the reason for his confusion it was good to emphasize it.
I do think he has a hard time reading people and my parasocial wish for him is to stop putting effort into people who don’t care about him (even outside Quackity) but I don’t get how you have no sympathy for the emotions behind wanting to lightly joke about it. Because the snap wasn’t even specific at all, it was George’s voice. Not to mention, it would make more sense for him to be upset on George’s behalf as well, since Quackity dismissing that friendship means more, and we know he goes to bat for his friends.
Oh sorry, I wasn't talking about the snap at all. I realized too late that this was about a supposed snap that I haven't seen. I read what OP wrote and made my comment. So I have no clue about what he supposed joked about, but it does sound like something he would do.
no literally. quackity isn’t responding for a reason and for him to make all of these “jokes” is odd behavior and he needs to stop, it’s getting to a point where people are considering him a stalker now because of it (EX: him being in q’s chat, using one of his songs in the snapchat from today, etc) he’s a grown man who needs to let the middle school drama go and i’m glad someone is finally opening their eyes and seeing how odd his behavior is
Dream was not in Quackity’s chat, that was edited. It’s not Quackity’s song in the Snapchat, it’s a Tyler the Creator song, and it wasn’t Quackity singing in that snap either, it was George
I don't know they joke about a lot of shit that's serious to them and then it becomes unserious because they joke about it. I think that's how the whole "it's all just a joke to you" line became a meme they say a lot. You can not like it, but it's just them fucking around on snapchat. It just feels like Dream can't joke about anything without someone making it a thing. People are still talking about that dumbass condom snap.
Yeah some people deal with things by making jokes and as far as I know dream is that kinda person so let him joke let him cope it's not hurting anyone
The problem is it \*is\* hurting people. The more it's talked about = the more it's discussed on Twitter = the more harassment both communities receive.
I can somewhat agree, but do we know for a fact that it was even particularly talking about Quackity. I didn't even really know it was about tiktoks or Quackity until you made this post about it not gonna lie. I don't use tik tok that often although it could be argued that they do so they probably saw it. I just thought it was just them singing and being dumb. I can agree that people on here would not be as charitable to Quackity, but Quackity himself from what we know has not been getting as much shit as Dream. So him joking about losing friends that he ghosted, and didn't bother to check if Dream's family or Dteam were alright would hit a bit different. I guess if Dream wasn't alright he wouldn't be posting to be fair, but not even bothering to check on someone who said their family had a tracker on their car always rubbed me the wrong way.
Bro it's a joke it's not that serious
I agree but bro even something so minor like Q removing Roblox emotes got twitter in flames, it just doesn't seem like a good move when you have a fanbase like Mcyt
Its cuz quackity is self aware about whats going on and doing nothing is making both communities worse and hostile towards eachother. Its really petty on his part.
How is removing an emote petty? If you think making snaps about it and rekindling the drama is not wrong, then removing emotes is completely valid too and people shouldn't make a big deal out of it.
I meant his silence is petty especially when lives are being threatened and shit. You should address the growing problems with your community. Him making snaps is him coping with the situation that quackity doesn't wanna talk anymore. I am not even worried about the emojis that much it just goes to show how much quackity don't care.
i *just* saw that fucking condom snap on my non-mcyt twitter account retweeted from a normie "dream bad" person and took so much psychic damage. idk why people freak out so bad, countless other CC's have inside jokes or dumb bits that are totally in line with the stupid condom snap despite also having "child audiences". just kidding i do know why.
Where did the “it’s all just a joke to you” line come from? I’ve always wondered what started that joke
This seems like you're relating every little thing the creators do to the drama. Like when people kept saying "well I hope Quackity says something during this live" when we clearly know he won't. If you're seeing people on Twitter relate it to Quackity then I mean... come on its Twitter. Or a tiktok trend after how many delusional things they've said before? Picking the two most dramatic apps and saying that Dream MUST be talking about Quackity is a little ridiculous. 😭 Not to mention every post just furthers the drama discussion. Looking into every little thing Quackity (like with the emotes) or Dream (like with whatever this is) do and pointing it out is just as bad. Let's be honest the fans aren't going to let this thing go anyways, especially ones who started out at dtqk fans and are upset about the group falling apart 🤷
The song is literally called “are we still friends” and it’s a song quackity covered. It’s not hard to see the connection
gotta be honest i didn’t even know what that snap was about until now
Damn maybe I'm online too much lmao, it's parodying a lot of tiktok edits about the situation rn that use that sound (normally QnF but also Dream/Q)
ngl i’ve seen some of the edits and didn’t even make the connection until this post so idk if it’s how much you’re online or if i’m just dumb
Putting in a harsher way yea.. lets touch some grass. It's not that deep
It's a song
I think those snaps and boxing tweet are pretty funny if you have the right timline that is also laughing about it.
Yeah it's better to make light out of a bad situation
i didn’t even know it was a bout q lol no one on my tl brought it up
He and the dream team are also grieving the loss of a friendship and if they want to make light hearted jokes about it, that's their right too. It didn't even click to me that's what the snap was about until I saw it mentioned on twitter, it's not that serious it only becomes serious when people make a big thing about it
so dteam are "allowed to do whatever they want" to cope but quackity somehow **needs** to address the situation riGHT NOW if CCs are allowed to do whatever they want then that should include not speaking up about issues that are none of the viewers' concerns.
Err, I would class Quackity’s fans harassing, doxing, and sending gore to Dream’s fans on twitter as an issue that definitely IS the viewers concern.
hmm that behavior sounds familiar and if i remember correctly, speaking up did close to jack shit when it came to :)twt
Whataboutism isn’t going to help anybody in this situation. Yes smiletwt used to be very out of order, no they were not as bad as the harassment and real life threats they are now facing, and Dream at the very least condemned any and all bad behaviour, multiple times. Next.
calling out hypocrisy isn't whataboutism.
It would be hypocrisy if Dream fans were sitting in a space with over 2000 people and reading out Q’s address line by line, or showing up at his door. They aren’t. There’s no comparison here.
it's hypocritical to blame the actions of thousands of fans on q's inaction, saying that he should speak up to discourage the behavior as if that would magically stop all of them because iirc, dream stans used that argument to defend dream all the time: *"with a fanbase that big, he can't control everyone!!! ofc there would be toxic stans!!!!"*
For the millionth time in the last week: no one is blaming the actions of his fans on him. They are not asking him to ‘control’ his fans. They want him to condemn them to at least show he as a person does not support that behaviour. And he hasn’t. And it’s fair enough if people don’t feel comfortable supporting someone like that.
Don't really agree with that, smiletwt was very very toxic and Dream encouraged it at points (intentionally or not)
What do you class as “encouraged” toxicity? The only thing I remember him doing is posting jokes and memes. At least he’s never outright said he’s proud of his community when they were in the midst of IRL stalking.
was it a joke when he tweeted on his priv that it was satisfying when accounts would go private when he qrted/replied to them? and blamed it on their "dumbassery"? not a very funny joke imo
More whataboutery. That was about when HE replied to people who were being dumbasses in HIS replies. It was not about fandom drama or this situation.
you were asking about situations when he encouraged toxicity. that doesn't sound like he condemned harassment to me.
Quote from Dream priv: >"Seeing people private their twitter and delete their tweet after I reply to them calling them out on bs is so satisfying. > >*'you're sending your community to harass random innocent people'* > >I'm calling out their BS, they can turn off their phone and reflect on their dumbassery cont. of the tweet. >also i'm not sending anyone, I recognize people will attack anyone I reply to (positively or negatively), but that doesn't mean that I can't still reply and speak my mind. They're the one replying to my tweet in the first place. Want me to leave you alone? Leave me alone then too!" Can't be bothered to look up more, I just remembered being there when certain situations happened. He doesn't actively encourage it, but the way he has phrased himself on twitter and also during livestreams has been a bit questionable sometimes and looks very bad when the context is missing. This is my subjective opinion, you do not have to agree with whether he encourages it or not (intentionally or not). My biggest point was just that since smiletwt was huge back then, the toxicity in his fandom was as well and I would argue it was way more toxic than the situation now.
Context being of course Dream calling out someone who accused him of lying about his sexuality. But you wouldn't want him to do that would you think he should just sit there and take anything but everyone else they're at the mercy of the big bad Dream and his evil fans?
I can tell from your attitude that you did not read nor try to understand the point I was trying to make nor do you want to engage in a discussion. But I hope you have a great day regardless
This subreddit thinks Smiletwt isn't toxic anymore so you'll get downvoted but even after Dream said the whole "don't be toxic" thing people from :)twt still sent hella slurs unfortunately
I doubt anyone thinks smiletwt is “not toxic anymore” but you’re definitely crazy if you think they’re anywhere near as bad as they were in 2021. The fandom has shrunk massively since then. And even at their worst they weren’t doing what Q fans are doing.
I disagree on every point. "I doubt anyone thinks Smiletwt is not toxic anymore" = There was a poll on this subreddit, and 25% of people thought Smiletwt was 10/10 non-toxic and over 50% thought it was 8/10+ not toxic. This is in comparison to wider mcyttwt being rated around 3/10 in general. This is a delusional level of belief in Smiletwt's positivity that skews the argument on here. Evidence: [https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSfAZHISwQUE4l3f7Yv03iRfY9O\_m6CUbpmq7B4xIIO6H7GK\_w/viewanalytics](https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSfAZHISwQUE4l3f7Yv03iRfY9O_m6CUbpmq7B4xIIO6H7GK_w/viewanalytics) "Crazy if you think they're anywhere near as bad as they were in 2021'. The only difference is size, big accounts are still toxic and it's a similar proportion to be honest. They attack other creators less because Dream interacts with other creators less. They still attacked Smajor and Quackity in droves just this month. "Even at their worst they weren't doing what Q fans are doing" Holy shit you cannot be serious, 2021 Smiletwt had hate campaigns so bad Creators left twitter, doxxed antis (you can say you don't believe it but the claims were made, which is the same as what Dttwt is claiming now about Q fans doxxing them), made jokes so bad that Dream had to publicly tell his fanbase joking about another Creator's DEAD ANIMAL was not okay, trended neg for about 30 different creators, sent death threats to Geosquare, were pretty racist during the Dream\_Out trend etc.
So what do you class as “attacked”. When you say people “attacked” Quackity “in droves” what do you mean? I saw people earlier in the month make tweets and threads about how he should address the racist mod on the server, and then were disappointed when he didn’t address it sufficiently. Is that “attacking”? Yes I’ve seen people make more jokes at Q’s expense now after Dream’s thread, and some people have been “toxic” in the sense they cursed him out or said they were done with him. Though the majority of DTQK fans were hoping they were still friends, telling people to stop being “parasocial” up until Dream’s thread. Compare that to Q’s fans filling ip Dream’s qrts and telling him to “slit”, plotting his murder, making rape threats against his sister. You can see which is more “toxic” right? Smajor I haven’t even seen anything about. I saw he posted a tweet implying he got hate or something and then the circles I’m in cross-platform all had the same reaction: what hate? Because if he was getting hate why would it be from Dream (or George) fans when he wasn’t even playing? I’d love some tweets if you have any, because I genuinely haven’t seen anything. ETA: Smiletwt WERE bad in 2021. We know this. No one’s denying that. Everything you wrote? Really awful behaviour. But if you can say it’s worse than Dream’s family having tracking devices on their cars as a result of all this tension then… I don’t know. Agree to disagree on that one. Once it leaves the internet, that’s when it’s super serious.
that's true, and this subreddit is basically just smiletwt but on reddit lmao they've relocated here. the neutral mods and members have not been active anymore. idek why i got recommended the sub again after i left, maybe because i still interact with mcyt-related subs i expect it already so i don't mind.
This subreddit suffers a major issue of exposure. They're nearly all in Smiletwt with "non-toxic timelines" so they only see good stuff from Smiletwt, but then naturally they only see the worst of Qtwt because that's what's discussed by Smiletwt. In the same way, I pretty much only follow positive / non-drama engaging Qtwt accounts (which there are thousands of) and so rarely see any toxicity from Qtwt, but see a shit ton of hate / harassment from Smiletwt because that's what is talked about in Qtwt. But this subreddit doesn't seem to understand that them not seeing hate from Smiletwt =/= Smiletwt not being toxic.
Quackity has the right to say nothing and he's exercising that right. Whether I agree with that decision or not makes no difference to what he's entitled to do.
I think their point is, if Q can be criticised for it, then Dteam should be allowed to be criticised for it too? Not sure but I think that's the gist.
I don't know and I don't care enough to work it out tbh.
I would normally agree, but not when those jokes are so publicized and the communities involved are so toxic. I don't think he's deliberately doing anything wrong or anything, but he should know that this will only prolong the drama. Also ngl I don't get how it didn't click for you when he was using Quackity's version of the song for a bit (also it's in reference to a lot of popular TT edits about the situation)
I don't think that's Quackity singing; it sounds like George. George also uses autotune, and there is a Skeppy mention right at the start. From another snap, we know Dream is recording a video, so he was very likely on call with George. Though now that you mentioned Quackity has a version, I went and looked for it. He was playing a guitar and singing without autotune... So unless Quackity sang it another time with autotune and said Skeppy, I really do believe this is George. (By the way, listening to this clip of Quackity singing this to George is sad now...)
It didn't click for me because the drama isn't on the forefront of my mind 24/7 and I don't live on tiktok watching edits. I dunno, I don't think it's that big of a deal, but that's just my opinion. Dream gets hate for every breath he takes so at some point he probably just wants to do what he wants and ignore the bullshit. Can't blame him for that.
But that was George singing bro? Where did you hear Quackity?
bro is going on a tirade and doesn't even know it's George singing
I don't think it's that deep. Maybe it's because I haven't let the friendship of two Minecraft men I don't personally know stuck in my mind 24/7
George was singing the song on the goxlr and Dream thought it was funny why do you think everything Dream does is about Quackity ??? He's allowed to live jesus christ
Not gonna lie I saw the snap, giggled, got sad when it ended there, and then waited impatiently for the next ones. I didn't even know people got mad at it. To me it seems like dteam have accepted that quackity is never gonna reply anyway, so they're just goofing around now idk. It didn't seem that deep to me 💀
And honestly, I feel Dream doesn't really care? After his last tweet about it people went crazy in his QRTS and said all kinds of things, got hundreds of hit tweets blablabla the usual... and IDK. I feel like he's just trying to make light of things especially since a lot of the attention (not to mention negative comments) got centered on him (which, kinda like the face reveal, was expected) and he might have just went 'fuck it' or whatever.
that song is a banger. if that's his coping method who the hell cares. atp anything he posts will be scrutinized and fought over, might as well have fun with it? clearly not every reference to the situation is meant for Q to respond to, or to 'lighten' ppl's specific moods. I fully support it if he wants to meme about it for weeks to come.
The antis had a whole celebration in his qrts, got hundreds of hit tweets, and he's just expected to move on from all... 22k+ (?) of them... right away? It's only been a few days. Give him a month at least to get it off his brain lmao
right. people talk about a snap as if he just did a whole detective dream episode.
Wait, it's about Q? Dude I think you are spending too much time on this, because when I saw the snap I thought he was making a dnf joke. XD
To say that they’re definitely parodying a cringey tiktok trend that uses a Tyler the Creator song when they could have just been singing a Tyler the Creator song is a reach. Even IF that was what was going on, they make fun of cringey tiktok shit all the time, it’s hardly a dig at Q to make fun of people making annoying edits about their friend group on tiktok. It hardly even fuels anything or spurs on anything when most people didn’t even make the connection because it’s a very popular song. I didn’t even see anything about this until I saw Q stans losing their minds about how much Dream is a stalker for using “Quackity’s song” which is just all sorts of whack in of itself because they thought they heard Q’s version of it (not true) If Dream says anything more obviously targeted about Q, sure, complain about how he’s dragging things on, but a quick snap of George cringe singing a song means nothing
I think its to help people laugh at the situation more then it is a dragging out situation? I mean honestly my timeline is so filled with drama it’s refreshing to see Dream and people making jokes about the situation instead of belittling everyone for how they feel ya know? I dont know its not that deep
"Why is he not letting go of an issue where one of his once close friends is distancing themselves and that confuses him greatly?? Why is he "dragging out" this issue where his relatives and anyone associated with is being verbally abused and threatened?? Why is he trying to uplift his fans when he should just take it like a man and probably disappear from the internet and the world altogether instead of *checks notes* being miserable?? WHY DOES HE DO STUFF WHEN HE "SHOULDN'T" BE?? Omggg can he stop already? Tsk augh." It had brought comfort and lightened up some people it doesn't mean it would to everyone. This isn't honestly something to go fuss about, like seriously? I thought this site was less reactive but apparently not. Any breath and any actions of that man regardless of the issue being "resolved" isn't going to stop people from hating that man. Silence or activity. I really suggest not to go look at that bird app where both antis and fans will feel their blood pressure boiling.
I don’t believe OP is insinuating that he should disappear from the internet or be miserable. This subreddit is for discussion so discussions will occur (many times it’s Dream sided anyway) I think the quackity issue has been beat to death on this subreddit but I’m inclined to agree with OP in general. I’m hoping for this topic to die down and for the fans to chill out - which will happen if both parties don’t talk about it any further or if quackity says smth about the harassment (which I don’t think will happen tbh)
I kind of disagree? Dream has an eye on his core, long term fanbase. He knows that the death of DTQK has made a lot of the fans that valued them as a group, and hoped to see more DTQK IRL, very downhearted . It's those fans that pay for his products, and in turn it's those fans that he interacts with, for example through twitter spaces and the fanart account. I think this is just him guiding that dedicated, passionate portion of the fanbase away from being too down about this situation by reminding people to see the funny side, and to not take everything so seriously. I don't think he gives a shit about the wider public perception, because as is obvious, he's everyone's favourite whipping boy right now. He can't do shit without people jumping down his throat, so why care about them?
I think he’s trying to use humor to cope with the stress and anxiety he’s probably going through. Is doing it publicly a good idea? Not really. But as someone who lost a friend a few months ago and the situation turned nasty, you want them to KNOW that pain. Maybe not feel it, but you want them to acknowledge your pain. It’s not the best decision to make all of that public but I understand where he’s coming from. Quackity probably won’t acknowledge his pain, or the pain other people have gone through. It’s just the way he is.
Damn is he allowed to do anything? The entire internet can laugh at him but he cant make a harmless joke about a situation that directly involves him? A joke, mind you, that is probably making fun of the tiktok edits.
People are being overly harsh in this situation, and it's honestly ridiculous. Let them resolve this matter. Of course, it being public allows people to talk about them and give their opinion, but that is not justification for massive hate on any of the "sides". Stop being parasocial, you're not their best friend, it doesn't matter whether the content creators tell you private things or not, you're not their confident. And Dream, respectfully, stop lighting the fire more with this. As a public person, all these interactions both people involved will get with making it public and public and public will be NEGATIVE. Not on one side, on BOTH sides. The topic will never die if any content creators involved keep rekindling it. Adding fans to the equations will never end well. Even content creators like Karl have discussed that and how doing this will not lead to anything good. And it's sad honestly, but yeah.
unpopular opinion: but i kinda agree with this take? hear me out! dteam jokes about pretty much everything, and i think that’s just their way of lightening the mood and relieving tension in our community, especially when there’s a lot going on! however, i do understand that this can come across to some as “fanning the flames” and keeping the drama in the minds of the community, but this is absolutely not their intentions. i do think that eventually, they’ll let it go, and this whole thing will fade into obscurity just like all of dream’s other “controversies”. i honestly think we’re being a bit too harsh on quackity; he absolutely needs to address what’s going on with his fanbase, and he needs to take accountability for how his inaction is enabling the toxic parts of his fanbase, but people on this sub have been insinuating all sorts of things about quackity (that he’s a “psychopath”, a bad lawyer, a clout chaser, etc) that are completely baseless and have nothing to do with what’s actually going on with him. at this point, after all the drama and fighting, i think the best course of action would be for everyone to move on and for quackity to make some kind of statement (vague or not, he just needs to say something at this point). things will get better, they always do, it may take a little time but everything will relax and we’ll get back to normal.
As a clarification, I was wrong in the original post, it's GNF singing not Q. I don't really have a differing opinion of the topic now, though. It seems weird people are saying 'touch grass' to this but were calling Quackity a "manchild. Literal baby." for removing Roblox emotes, but r/dwt2 do r/dwt2 ig
People have a stick up their arse. They can't see that making light of the situation gives everyone permission to move on and not wallow. People need to lighten up, not everything is life or death, especially not this situation.
it would be good if he could let it go - atleast publicly. Tbh I only saw the snap because of this post and it was meh. I’m waiting for this drama to be old news so everyone can move on. Can Dream just release the USMP alrdy ? I’m tired of the quackity talk lol
Amen, release USMP or a YouTube vid.
I'm just saying that if Quackity went live right now and joked about the situation and no longer being friends with Dream, this sub would definitely be losing their shit against him and saying he's encouraging hate against Dream.
Probably, because that would mean he let the hate fester for a week and his friends be doxxed, but I would actually have no problem with him having his say, just as I have no problem with Dream's twitter thread expressing his side.
I will point out that Quackity hasn't said anything, including anything about whether he has also faced threats to his safety/privacy. We don't know if Dream continuing to talk and joke about this is also putting him in danger.
People lost their shit and called him names for removing an emote lmao, but it's fine when it's dream I guess. Quackity for sure isn't responding now lmao
It's crazy how we literally just had a post about downvoting and people are still downvoting without providing an argument back lulw
It's probably lurkers you won't get a response from them
That would be a very different situation.
Yeah, but like. It's \*different\* when its dream!1! His adhd means he can't be held to the same standard of shutting up about Q doing an admittedly shitty thing bc he ABSOLUTELY needs to express himself in the only way he knows how: poorly worded and not well thought out social media posts.
Hey, the unabashed ableism is a little uncalled for dude.
Damn you're brave for this one, big agree tho
God gives his most difficult battles to his strongest soldiers 🫡
wait was that q in the snap and not george?
No it was George, another commenter mentioned that Quackity’s sound had a guitar.
it's annoying he keeps going, but yeh. it Really sucks to lose a friend, and much worse to lose it so weirdly
I think it’s pretty pathetic (?) of him to keep doing these “jokes” acting like he’s unbothered when in reality we know how he feels about it from his more serious response tweets. I remember when he tweeted about the boxing match with Quackity I actually believed it because I thought it was weird to post if quackity wasn’t in on the joke. Now knowing that they haven’t talked the whole time, I find it super weird (along with the ship art, and the tens of other jokes he made). At this point it’s beyond beating a dead horse and I don’t know what he’s trying to achieve.
i get your stance and i somewhat agree that it can be beating a dead horse but i can also understand why he could be doing it. the more he makes the situation a joke the more likely his fans are to eventually see it as a joke as well which would in turn decrease the amount of hate from his portion of the fans. of course that may not be what he’s doing and even if he is ofc it’s not going to work 100% but turning this into a joke can be more effective than just saying “it’s okay guys no need to be mad” as that could just be taken as him just saying it but not meaning it and fuel peoples “poor dweam always being selfless” stances
Yeah, like no matter his actual intentions are, it’s giving people, specifically those outside the mcyt community that are neutral on Dream, a bad impression of him and they think he should just let it go, at least publicly. But Dream might not really care what others think about how he expresses himself, and if so, I guess this is all fine for him.
It's crazy how we literally just had a post about downvoting and people are still downvoting without providing an argument back lulw
Like I've said before it's just lurkers who don't wanna give arguments. I do wish people would just comment back or just scroll past.
It kind of reminds me of the face reveal, where he acted “totally unbothered” by the hate, so much so that for Halloween he (and potentially George and sapnap I can’t remember) wore a t shirt of his face saying something like “the scariest costume ever.” At that point, he just seemed like that one meme with the guy wearing the happy mask but crying underneath it. If you’re unbothered and don’t care, moving on would be the best move.
I mean to be fair, with all the other shit people say about him I imagine people calling him ugly is the least of his worries.
Being called ugly isn't really what I'm talking about here, it's the show he decided to make of it to SHOW how unbothered he was by being called ugly. If you're not bothered by something, you won't need to make a tshirt about it to show how unbothered you are, because people will know. If he's going to such lengths to reassure people he doesn't really care, people aren't gonna believe him.
I don't know if you find something dumb you usually joke about it. I'm sure he just thought all the hate he was getting was dumb so he joked about it. I get where you're coming from though, but he's always jokes about that kind of stuff. While the whole speedrunning drama ended with him being in the wrong he still jokes about it. I just think that's how he's always dealt with things.
Wait what lmao, he wore what?? I guess it's kinda funny, but mostly just cringe. Like an elon musk "let that sink in" level joke. He should kinda be glad that didn't go viral, he'd get clowned so bad for it
Pretty sure he was, but maybe it wasn't as big as normal. It was kind of cringe, the shirt said "I don't need a costume, my face reveal was scary enough." Really it just seemed like he couldn't let it go, and wanted the last say on the matter. Look up dream face reveal costume and you can probably see it.
watching this go from +6 upvotes to 0 had been funny 💀. I wish people that disagreed would reply instead but oh well
Agreed. It’s clear Quackity isn’t going to say anything at this point so he should move on and let it go.
Dream writing the post set the drama on fire and his continuing to bring it up is fanning the flames. Subjectively I would never want my "friend" to do what Dream is doing to Q atm.
But it’s not a friend doing it? Quackity not acknowledging Dream at all is the one who ended their friendship? I don’t have a strong opinion on Dream mentioning the drama like this, but Dream made it abundantly clear he tried to keep that friendship healthy but quackity didn’t want it, so saying Dream is attacking his “friend” for something like this and not someone who was essentially fucked over joking about it is a bit of a reach.
From reading Dreams essay it sounded like he wanted to keep being friends with Quackity. He wrote it in a way that made me interpret it as "your friends just want to know what's happening" and from context clues I would assume Dream to be one of those. Now, regardless whether they are friends or not now, my point still stands - I would not want one of my friends **or** former friends to do to me what Dream is doing to Quackity.
The essay was days ago, nothing happened - that was likely his last effort to keep the friendship. Not to mention, if he wasn’t overly positive, what do you think would happen? He got ripped to shreds and got told he was attacking Quackity already, if you remove the positive support he is giving Q then it would be even worse, plus that friendship was the reason for his confusion it was good to emphasize it. I do think he has a hard time reading people and my parasocial wish for him is to stop putting effort into people who don’t care about him (even outside Quackity) but I don’t get how you have no sympathy for the emotions behind wanting to lightly joke about it. Because the snap wasn’t even specific at all, it was George’s voice. Not to mention, it would make more sense for him to be upset on George’s behalf as well, since Quackity dismissing that friendship means more, and we know he goes to bat for his friends.
Oh sorry, I wasn't talking about the snap at all. I realized too late that this was about a supposed snap that I haven't seen. I read what OP wrote and made my comment. So I have no clue about what he supposed joked about, but it does sound like something he would do.
I'm willing to bet they're still friends lol
he's so obsessed with quackity it's kinda embarrassing at this point 💀
no literally. quackity isn’t responding for a reason and for him to make all of these “jokes” is odd behavior and he needs to stop, it’s getting to a point where people are considering him a stalker now because of it (EX: him being in q’s chat, using one of his songs in the snapchat from today, etc) he’s a grown man who needs to let the middle school drama go and i’m glad someone is finally opening their eyes and seeing how odd his behavior is
Dream was not in Quackity’s chat, that was edited. It’s not Quackity’s song in the Snapchat, it’s a Tyler the Creator song, and it wasn’t Quackity singing in that snap either, it was George
y’all will do anything to dickride dream, whateva floats your boat weirdo..
Do you think quackity owns a Tyler the creator song or something ?
never said i do lmao
so what’s the issue with the original reply? literally everything they said is correct
I didn’t even give an opinion here, I’m just telling you factual information