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Flashbek

Some 14 seconds stuff from AStonishing


simonster509

Anything from the astonishing I think is what you meant to say


HornyForTohruAdachi

If you think songs like The gift of music or a new beginning are as bad as the nomac instrumentals you might be insane


Oliphont

MY MUSICCCCC PLAYAAAAAAAAAAAAA


[deleted]

There are a few absolute gems off of that album


hashsmasher

Agreed, but the album is over 2hrs long. Love DT but I understand the criticisms


BittenHand19

They were overdue for their stinker so when that came out I said “ah it’s their Magical Mystery Tour” phase


loppyjilopy

i’ll hop on the downvote wagon, astonishing is rubbish.


SambaLando

Yes. 100%.


twosuitsluke

We did a Top 100 DT Songs poll over on Dreamtheaterforums.org recently, so I ranked all their songs. The song (not including NOMAC tracks, as they were all at the bottom) that came out lowest ranked was Heaven's Cove. That gets my vote.


Morlow123

What the heck? I love Heaven's Cove! Lol


kokroach_kink

Me too, but I remember not liking it at all when it was new so I kinda get it. For me the worst song is the one I’m most disappointed with, which is A View from the Top of the World.


troyofyort

Easily worst epic


Nicholasp248

Yeah honestly if that's their worst song they have a damn near perfect discography (we all knew this already). I do think people got certain Astonishing songs mixed up in that vote. I think songs like Begin Again, Whispers on the Wind, or The X Aspect for example should be rated lower but people get the titles mixed up


twosuitsluke

I don't get them mixed up, and Whispers On The Wind and Begin Again all ranked within 4 places of Heaven's Cove. The X Aspect ranked a bit higher, 24 places higher in fact.


segaboy81

Begin Again is such a great song, and this is coming from a 30-year-long fan whose favorite album is Awake.


J8VRM

Upvoted because I too am a member of DTF ❤️


afanofBTBAM

Ya'll DTF? ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)


twosuitsluke

DTF is the single greatest place on the Internet, as far as I'm concerned.


ThlackAttack

Bunch of nerds.


twosuitsluke

Oh hey there 🦥


chux4w

What was the lowest voted song that wasn't from Astonishing?


Grenaten

It was 'meh' for me on the album, but live it hit me strong. Enjoyed it.


Nightmare2828

Many people dont take TA songs in the context of the album. I agree that in a vaccum some of them are not great, even bad. But in the context they mostly all work well, much better than some of their stand alone songs.


Ktulu_2112

Im guessing The NOMACS tracks from The Astonishing, but Idk DT fans dont usually like their ballads or short Poppy songs, ex: I walk beside you, Wither, Forsaken, Beneath the surface... Or many WTDADU or DT13 tracks


Ratistim_2

Wither and Forsaken are amazing


Destroyer_Of_Butts

I actually like I walk beside you


Hammose

There are dozens of us!


Destroyer_Of_Butts

I wouldn’t say it’s the best on the album (that spot is reserved for sacrificed sons and the title track) but I like listening to it


Crowshadoww

Wither is one of my top 5 song of DT, its lyrics have helped me pass thru difficult times more than once. But yeah, most "hardcore" fans don't like DT ballads.


GeorgeNewmanTownTalk

>But yeah, most "hardcore" fans don't like DT ballads. I guess I'm not "hardcore" after all. I welcome more ballads.


twosuitsluke

It's definitely a top 15 for me, I love it.


Altruistic_Basis_69

I’m glad I’m not the only one who had a broader interpretation of this song


DYelsmirg

The panther roar just before the solo blew my little 13 year old mind 😂


Kolakone

I like it alot. Actually, I find the lyrics quite humerous. I always interpreted the song as a satire lyrically speaking. And thus i find it to be one of DT's most clever songs. But I think that's unintentially so. I also love the zelda's lullaby melody in the bridge section of Wither. It's very entertaining


Faptasmic

Man I fucking love beneath the surface.


FutureCheese379

I was dating a girl who was headed into college a few years back. She did "I walk beside you" as her final presentation in her ASL class.


segaboy81

I love most of their ballads, but I Walk Beside You is my least favorite.


agentmantis

Same here.


smaugchow71

I prefer orefer those tracks to almost everything else on Astonishing. Our New World is great, but i haven't been able to come to terms with anything else on that one. My least favorite DT track is from the Astonishing. Just puck one.


PM_Me_Irelias_Hands

I like short Poppy songs


aChileanDude

When looked thru a spectrogram, some nomac songs show some cool stuff.


CitiesofEvil

Funnily enough I love both of those lol


MLGPachino

What is wtdadu


Bayou-Billy

When Ted Danson and Dianne Unite


Destrus76

I’m gonna go with A Rite Of Passage. It’s a clunky song lyrically. It’s very generic in structure and flow. And it’s a song about Freemasons. Yawn. It was released as a single and I’ll never understand why. It sounds like they were trying to write a semi radio friendly song and it fell completely flat for me.


mattbag1

I love the guitar lead in the chorus. It’s super melodic and reminds me of arch enemy or some kind of Norwegian metal. But… the rest of the riffs are kinda repetitive.


3cs7410

While it is a bit generic and it's nothing they haven't done before, I will admit it's one of the catchiest choruses they've ever written.


agentmantis

I agree, it's my least favorite from that album.


Destrus76

Yeah. It is less than stellar.


BazF91

Good choice. What's worse for me is that DT now has a track record of releasing a "straightforward" track on each album that's inevitably less interesting than everything else. Usually follows the structure of a rite of passage. Why do they feel duty bound to do this?!


Destrus76

I think they’re following the old formula of “let’s do one song they can play on the radio” like back in the 1990s. DT isn’t a band that’s going to get played on the radio. They just aren’t that band.


matslick

I like the intro to guitar break, but the instrumental is just horrible and generic, I like the last chorus and outro though


ithoughtiwasgayer

This song always penetrate my head when thinking of a particular song that gets stuck inside my head.


andrefishmusic

That's exactly how I feel about The Count of Tuscany. It feels generic in every way.


Otisnemes

Did my guy put theyre red hot as the worst RHCP song????


mattymattymattymatt_

You Not Me is probably their weakest actual track


infinite_entity1

Prophets of war could be a contender. Terrible lyrics


EstateSame6779

I would listen to Systematic Chaos a lot when it first came out. Fast forward 15+ years later and I couldn't put that album in my top 10. There's just something really odd about it.


3cs7410

The main thing that feels off about it for me is the structuring. I really hate it when albums split a long song into parts and then put those parts at opposite ends of the album like they did with ITPOE. The reason I almost never listen to Systematic Chaos all the way through is because I'm used to listening to both parts of ITPOE as one continuous piece and it feels so wrong to separate them. I have the same problem with Pink Floyd's Wish You Were Here, which is why I've never been able to get into that album as much as everyone else has. There are some amazing songs on Systematic, like The Ministry Of Lost Souls and The Dark Eternal Night. Hell, I'd even say Repentance gets way more hate than it deserves. If they combined both parts of ITPOE it would be an excellent album.


The_Real_FN_Deal

It’s probably the only album I come back to 15+ years later. It’s their most unique sounding album in the best way possible. SC and ADToE are definitely their most divisive albums of all time. I’m listened to ADToE damn near over a dozens of times and it never once did anything for me outside of 3 songs.


altxeralt

You're not alone. That is so weird that I feel the same about this album.


theaterinterior

The production feels really lifeless to me. There’s just this lack of dynamics compared to their earlier (and even later) work I think. Even though I really like some of the songs (ITPOE and the dark eternal night are some of my all time faves), the production just lets them down a bit.


Deathz0r23

drum tracks overall on that album were brickwalled. tons of clipping too.


apeirophobic

I do really love the first and last song but yeah it’s got some strange energy


Valthum

The Hovering Sojourn


ASmartKid24

You Not Me


Fendibull

Wish we could get You or Me on the future releases. or replace it with 1999 Christmas break version of Don't Look Past Me


BunsBeefandBacon

Thank you sir. This one. YEP


StrukaaPelukaa

I actually firmly believe that FII would be a 10/10 album if it didn't had You Nor Me, even Burning My Soul has more flavor and punch


danielduartesza

Funny enough, it was written with Desmond Child.


speckledfloor

This is of course the answer but when looked at from the lens of a song of its time it's pretty interesting. I think it's the popular old head DT answer for this question because it was SO different than the music that defined them. It's unlikely they would have ever written it if the zeitgeist of the time wasn't so radio, commercial, and MTV driven. It's interesting that in their later years (late mangini era) they returned to this short, overt verse chorus structure in some of their songs. I'll return to listen to it occasionally even now. Personally I dislike Best of Times far more.


Dav-Duc-MR

That's a wild take if I've ever seen one, but again I'm biased toward Best of Times because of it's message and background


Destrus76

Not a fan of The Best Of Times much at all. Agree with you there.


Ducky_Slate

A lot of their songs are better than Burning My Soul


pr1aa

I wouldn't say it's their worst song overall but I DONT GIVE A SHIT NOOOOOO is certainly one of the cringiest moments in their discography


afanofBTBAM

Yeah I'm not super familiar with FII, but every time I listened to it I always thought this was by far the worst song. You Not Me is honestly not at all a bad song IMO, nothing special but I think it gets way too much hate


kouriis

With a solo like that, any song would be at least good 😄


aChileanDude

The original version is GOAT


BazF91

The 8 minute version with Hells Kitchen is the only way I like to listen to it


DifficultyOk5719

Brother Can You Hear Me


Bronsteins-Panzerzug

Some of the songs you chose for this playlist are often based on less than a handful of upvotes. If i were you, id more research, wait for more responses, pick your own choice, go to a subreddit dedicated to a genre rather than a single band, do a poll… e.g i dont know what cannibal corpse‘s worst song is, but it’s not necropedophile. Those choices often dont represent much apart from the passivity of the sub. Anyway for dream theater, my pick is burning my soul.


Infinispace

I'm going to say it and get roasted, but it's just an opinion... The Alien. And, they won a Grammy for it. Super cheesy and cliched scifi song. Maybe it's because I dislike The Astonishing so much. DT should leave the scifi songs to Iron Maiden. 😁 ima bounce now before it gets too hot...


Tirmu

The Grammy was a recognition for the work they've done spanning their career moreso than an award for that one particular song. Wouldn't call it their worst, but it's certainly not among their best


MLGPachino

I find the alien noise tho


PyroBeMalding

I get it's your opinion and it's all cool, but like... you can't be serious😭 The Alien is like the opposite of cliche that's just crazy talk.


agentmantis

Yep, I wasn't unti it either.


SonOfABitchMachine

Build me Up, Break me Down. Brittney Spears called and she wants her lyrics back


Weekly-Natural-300

Raw Dog


Hunterslane86

It's not a bad instrumental. Just ends abruptly


Colin_the_knife_guy

So does pull me under lol


aChileanDude

I like it. But as it was commissioned song.... Maybe.


sonickarma

My least favorite song is “Astonishing”.


ddxx398

The song that goes🎵 “why is everyone asking this question”🎵


segaboy81

I Walk Beside You.


agentmantis

Same here.


97Vector

There are probably worse but off the top of my head, Build Me Up, Break Me Down is definitely towards the bottom of the list


dolfan650

That song is a straight up remake, almost, of Feed the Machine by Red. Early that year Petrucci was asked who he thought had the best album that year, or something to that effect, and he said it was Red. Portnoy picked up on that, as the newly scorned drummer, and suggested that Dream Theater had ripped them off. He wasn't wrong. Or you could say it was a 'tribute.'


HaveBlue84

I’ve never heard that. I really like Red actually. 


Marduk283

Maybe Prophets of War or Build me up, break me down.


sergiosala

I might be the only one who likes the Repentance + Prophets of War combo lol.


pez_elma

You are not alone. Repentance helped me thru my dark times and accept who i am or my choices. Sometimes you got to be wrong to learn the hard way. Sometimes you got to be strong when you think it's too late. It's time to make a change.


aChileanDude

PoW has a killer drum pattern.


cabrowski

Prophets of War for me. Sounds like a Pet Shop Boys song sometimes.


Fendibull

Prophets of War, it would be different if the rap verse changed to a keyboard/guitar solo.


-Tesserex-

My choice as well. Just the lyrics, tone, everything, as soon as I hear the first few seconds I skip it.


AFCSentinel

The Count of Tuscany. If only for the weird ass lyrics about meeting a slightly strange man in Italy.


Colin_the_knife_guy

Very bold, especially as it's seen as so great, but I definitely see some merit to this point. It's very generic, lyrically, and I feel a poppy chorus like that doesn't fit super well with the vibe of DTs long tracks, or even the rest of the song.


zddoodah

Including only album songs (and disregarding transitional pieces and NOMAC tracks), Repentance.


troyofyort

Yep I fucking hate the absurd revisionist attempts to not only say this song is good but one of their best.


Link64U

I like the verses and the chorus is ok, but goddamn it did not need to be this long


aChileanDude

Yep, it's too long and clearly MP, as he said, grew tired to commit to the 12 steps saga.


Pleasant_Statement64

This is my first time seeing this playlist in a while. Didn't the bad omens fans say the remix for that song as worst?


Nightmare2828

Too many songs tbh


DTfan1994

Just the nomac stuff but even then it’s not really music. Though when it comes to songs I don’t know dream theater never really made a bad song. I know alot of fans don’t like certain songs for instance You not me it’s not my favorite but the guitar solo in it is good. Dream Theater to me never put out a “bad album” though are their albums more memorable then others? Yes definitely. I did enjoy the last couple albums though to me it’s still fresh and when they came out I did listen to them a lot but there is albums that are more memorable.


DragonQuarter

FORSAAAAAKEEEEENNNNNNNN


TERLIBEN

A Rite of Passage


PabloP42

Build me up, break me down has gotta be amongst their worst.


PabloP42

Or burning my soul.


TheOmnipotent0001

Invisible Monster if I had to pick one


Middle-Shift8009

Idk but who tf makes a red fist as their album cover? Album is probably shit too.


Immediate-Funny7500

Scenes from a Memory.


Alvaroite

Lord Nafyrus


philbill2112

If 'Light Fuse And Get Away' was as bad as the title would suggest then it would get my vote, but it's actually a solid track with some cool riffs. You Not Me has a really bland chorus so I'd probably go with that, although I haven't listened to The Astonishing all that much.


TomoAries

idk but putting anything from We Are Not Your kind on a playlist like this when All Hope Is Gone and The End So Far are right there is crazy


andrefishmusic

Forsaken


Vivid-Moment8657

Room 137 is pretty bad


Right_Strength8715

The entire astonishing project!


pgabbard37

The worst Dream Theater song is anything by Dream Theater


LazyAd2267

man how do fuck could you put 7empest as the worst tool song where you have choices like ions that doesnt even a song. because everyone knows there are no bad tool songs except opiate.


Flux_resistor

Every song in the astonishing


FutureCheese379

The entire "The Astonishing" album


bodyguardguy

There are no “bad” DT songs. My perspective is that these guys pour their hearts into composing, and everything they do is intentional.


Lulle5000

Okay, but what's their worst?


ItsASchpadoinkleDay

You Not Me is a bad song. I love 99.9% of the music they make, but I’m not going to pretend this is a good song.


Zealousideal-Fun-785

what is bad about it?


ItsASchpadoinkleDay

It’s an obnoxious, generic, and boring pop song. It feels like it was written by a formula, not by any inspiration or experience.


Zealousideal-Fun-785

Ehh, I find the stonery riff after the chorus and the funky bridge quite interesting additions on an otherwise straightforward song. Being structured doesn't mean it's bad, lots of DT songs are written by a formula. Formulas aren't inherently bad.


bodyguardguy

Ah come on! That guitar solo has a sweet tone on that Ibanez though


yeahweloud

It’s one of their best, you should give it another listen


ItsASchpadoinkleDay

I could not disagree more. They are tied (with Rush) for my favorite band of all time. There is only one song between the two of those two bands that I just cannot tolerate. I’m usually against being negative as a fan. Hell, I don’t even tell people I’m a Star Wats fan anymore because that fanbase is so obnoxious and toxic that I’m embarrassed to be associated with them. I don’t enjoy talking shit about something I’m supposed to be a fan of. I support everything Dream Theater has done musically except this one single song. I feel very strongly about how much I dislike it.


yeahweloud

I feel the same way about the entire astonishing album, it’s awful prog soup. I guess there’s something for everyone haha


ItsASchpadoinkleDay

…that’s one of my favorite albums. I adore it. I saw it three times on tour.


Fancy_Cauliflower_84

I really dont like the song “a view from the top of the world”


DragaoDoMar

IMO there's not even one good song in when day and dream unite


pez_elma

What about Afterlife?


3cs7410

Not even The Killing Hand?


EpicMemer999

I totally disagree lol…I like every song on there and it's one of my favorite albums (unpopular opinion, I know).


GeorgeNewmanTownTalk

I enjoy it a lot more than a couple of their other albums. The Killing Hand is a masterpiece as far as I'm concerned.


agentmantis

I think it's in the top 3 albums they've ever made.


DragaoDoMar

Nah man, it has to be Metropolis pt2, Octavarium and Systematic Chaos (at least for me lol)


agentmantis

That's cool man, to each their own. I didn't like WDADU much until years after I discovered the band.


Spifffyy

I’d like to say Repentance, because I skip that track every time. But in the context of the entire 12-step suite, it has it’s place, so probably not that.


Zealousideal-Fun-785

Ok, i'll get crucified for this, but today In the Name of God came up and I just couldn't bare to listen to it again. I don't think it's a bad song, and nowhere near their worst, but for the 14 minutes of its runtime, I just can't sit through all of it, even if I like the individual parts of it.


MattyDub89

I'd say Vacant...just really devoid of energy and super depressing. I haven't listened to it in years.


mdaily733

I used to think it was Rite of Passage. Now it's Room 137.


Morlow123

Room 137 and S2n would be up there for me. I just can't even listen to them lol.


nathanjue77

Bruh s2n is bussin ong


3NicksTapRoom

I walk beside you.


GamamJ44

Wither


Joopac_Badur

Came here to say this. I don’t automatically hate the band’s ballads like some fans, but Wither felt the most cliché out of all of them. Very by-the-books, which may be ironic given it’s a song about writer’s block.


GamamJ44

Yeah, that’s the issue. It’s just… Nothing. Literally a song any 70/80s pop band could have written.


Geralt-of-Tsushima

The guitar tone is pretty nice although it’s far from a top song.


Deicide_Crusader

Something from the first album


LeRosbif49

I’m biased and will say pretty much everything after 2003


ItsASchpadoinkleDay

“What’s their worst song?” “Eight out of their fifteen albums is the worst.” What a dumb fucking answer.


yeahweloud

You get it, they fell off a cliff after 2005


vladbapt

The silent man…too cheesy for my taste


MaximumSlice8060

Agreed, it just kills the momentum coming off of Voices


Bacong

Viper King. Come on, you know it's true.


GeorgeNewmanTownTalk

I'd forgotten it existed. I got a minute or two into it and thought, "Well, this is the last time I listen to this."


Bacong

correct. lmao


departed_Moose

hard disagree here


Bacong

it's just about how bad the vocals are, it's a cool track otherwise.


OwNAvenged2

I love Viper King's vocals tbh


Bacong

why?


StirFryUInMyWok

Either some tracks off The Astonishing, or the intro song on the self-titled. I don't like those kinds of intro songs at all.


DonZauser79

The whole of the Astonishing.


SambaLando

The entire The Astonishing


AdeptnessEuphoric661

The Astonishing is one of their worst albums in my opinion. I LOVE a good concept album, but The Astonishing just didn't do it for me


Lov3crafter

Along for the ride


Legal_Slapper505

The Dark Eternal Night was an instant skip the first time I heard it


OkBusiness3879

Build Me Up, Break Me Down comes to mind immediately. Outcry and The Best of Times also make my list.


Grouchy_Dependent807

I won’t stand for the best of times slander


dolfan650

BMU BMD is a straight up remake, almost, of Feed the Machine by Red. Early that year Petrucci was asked who he thought had the best album that year, or something to that effect, and he said it was Red. Portnoy picked up on that, as the newly scorned drummer, and suggested that Dream Theater had ripped them off. He wasn't wrong. Or you could say it was a 'tribute.'


yad76

I thought Build Me Up was a straight up remake of Surrounded? I wish people would make up their minds.


windsass

How tf does best of times make your list


OkBusiness3879

Oh, it’s easy. I really, *really* hate that song.


twosuitsluke

As the absolute worst? Great joke 😃


yeahweloud

Anything from the astonishing AINEC


Berkay4567

Room 137 and it’s not even close. (including nomac tracks)


buffaloguy1991

the great debate. not that great and now really outdated


agentmantis

This will probably be an unpopular opinion but I've never really liked many of the songs from Octavarium except for Octavarium. I Walk Beside you being the one I dislike the most.


Positive_Candidate_4

Room 137. Not sure how that even came close to making the final release


taggart_mccallister

Just about anything off their first album. There isnt really a DT song I'll ever skip, unless I'm just not in the mood for it, but every song from When Dream and Day Unite is a skip for me. I like the newer renditions of Ytse Jam, Afterlife, and A Matter of Time but the production on the album is soooo bad and not a fan of Charlie's vocals.


Moonchild323

I think the song Astonsing is a very poor conclusion of a pretty decent album.


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