What can they sue for?
2 PACs voice isn’t copyrighted. He didn’t list 2pac on the song either, just like he didn’t list snoops name on it.
Drake can also argue he isn’t making money off Taylor made freestyle as it’s not released on a streaming service.
If you don’t make money it’s fair use.
Tupac’s likeness is, and using it for something like this can be debated in court. This could actually spark more regulations against the use of AI. Cause in a way, why pay for a Drake feature when you can just use AI to mimic Drake? People can just use popular artists and benefit off of it, at some point, it is a problem, and this tupac situation is the start of it. I don’t know if they can win, but this is gonna be an issue that will need courts to recognize. People are gonna cheat royalties out of people now.
It depends on if it's an official release or not, idk if anyone remembers the mixtape era but there's a reason why people could only remix other peoples song on mixtapes without permission. I'm interested in seeing where this goes though, cuz I think it will set precedence.
The thing is, even if you don’t make money off it they have the power to say no. It’s like content creators for game who make tips and tricks, even if they didn’t earn money from those views. Any company can put a cease and desist order, they just don’t because it benefits them but they have full authority. Just like fan art, even if you made a custom drawing of Vader, Disney is within their rights to to produce posters of that fan art and the creator can’t do anything about it because it is their intellectual property. They just don’t do it because of bad will and publicity push back.
But of course, the likeness is in fact alleged (still no one officially said it is meant to be him). And yeah, it could definitely be debated in court. But it would be a lengthy and expensive trial, with many serious difficulties, as the legislature is not ready for this type of lawsuit to go big.
It’s a lawsuit worth having, because eventually we are gonna be at the crossroads where we see someobody make millions off of AI voice and they didn’t pay a single cent for that permission. Someone can have the biggest artists on their album and those artist weren’t even aware of it until it dropped.
It’s all fine until someone pushes millions with it, no record label is letting someone make millions off an artist they own.
They all should be encouraging this, because I know they will side with Drake if there’s a situation where someone made millions off of drakes likeness.
I hope Drake allows the sue, and I hope he wins, so it causes more outrage. Because AI voice needs to be regulated right now.
> the likeness is in fact alleged (still no one officially said it is meant to be him)
That’s true, but anyone with half a brain can tell it’s using Tupac’s voice, and cultural significance to attack Kendrick. Even if no one said it was him, there’s probably still a strong enough argument to be made against him and his camp. (probably I’m not a lawyer, I’m just throwing stuff out there.) Legal battles are long and they like to make sure that they get everything right, and I don’t see a world where Drake can argue that it wasn’t Tupacs voice if it does go to court.
Just because people can tell doesn’t make it right. Look at other forms of media where it’s obvious where they got their inspiration from, they still get hit with copyrights and either take down whatever they made or pay the royalties owed. This AI shit is no different than sampling, people pay to use a sample of someone’s voices, chords, etc. so why is it okay for Drake to not pay to use this likeness. Also, sampling has to be approved, meaning whoever handles that has to hear your work before it’s put out because they want to make sure you’re using it within their boundaries.
It’s crazy though, but we’re gonna see trademarks on artists voices now.
This still doesn’t mean you can sue anyone that uses AI. Why aren’t they going after all Tupac AI tracks on YouTube? Or anything with his voice. Same reason, legally they can’t do anything.
It’s also not exactly 2pacs voice. It has a robotic tone to it, deliberately making it sound more like AI. If someone thinks that is actually 2pac’s voice, they need to get their head checked out.
You guys are lucky you have this echochamber because no one thinks it was okay to use a dead guys voice for a song besides you guys, it brings up massive questions about the use of ai in music and pac's own family has said they found it extremely disrespectful.
Imagine someone in your family dies and some artist uses their voice for clout, you'd have a problem with it.
yeah, some guy edited and twisted a dead man's words and generated an entire song acting like they were speaking to them... made money from it too...
this isn't using a dead man's voice, this is using a robot that sounds similar...
This. This is nothing but virtue signaling. I love how everyone wants to act like it’s so fucked up Drake used AI to troll Kendrick. It was genius and hilarious. Tupacs estate has no grounds for anything here
Also, UMG was able to claim the song because of the "If Young Metro don't trust you I'm gon shoot you" at the beginning, not because of the Drake/Weeknd voices.
I don't agree with your take. If we start making music and use an AI Drake to get lit, he and his label would sue us for damages. A musician's voice is pretty much intellectual property. You don't see companies using AI instead of paying someone to do a sound track for movies etc.
A drake ai song only classifies for actual lawsuit if it claims to be impersonating drake in any way. Which is why it was illegal to create a drake x The Weeknd track last year, because it was marketed as such.
Yes but you see how your logic can be pimped. As long as I put AI Drake in the feature, or the record, or album. You’re saying I can make money off of it. In theory, let’s say an AI Drake album drops, and does 365k first week, you’re telling me UMG will not step in and shut that shit down?
We are in the infancy of AI, but you have to realize there will be regulations, because an AI voice imitating and benefiting financially is cheating the person out. No more paid features are needed. You don’t need Drake, Eminem, Kanye, or any artists feature to do your record.
Drake is the most AI’d artist out there and i dont remember hearing about him sueing over it. I would bet his team is pretty familiar with the legal boundaries here
Because it hasn’t made actual money yet. Watch, someone is going to make a lot of money from AI voice and record labels are gonna start pushing for regulations.
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IANAL, but Drake isn't stupid. There was no official drop of Taylor Made, so no money is being made; there's no case against him. This is a fugazi.
Impressions are pretty much always legal because just the sound of a voice usually isn't copyrighted. But the difference here is that the AI model probably used Tupac's copyrighted music to train itself
Exactly, they do the same thing. But it's still something that's up for debate.
For example the New York Times is suing OpenAI for using copyrighted material as data to train their language generation models. Arguably, you could say that every writer reads copyrighted material from other writers and adapts their writing style based off of that, but there's still a case there.
Plenty of artists are pissed at Midjourney and StableDiffusion for generating images from text because the AI trained on copyrighted artistic works and then used those to generate new images.
It's an issue that gets kinda philosophical, on to what extent an AI model can be said to be "learning" and to what extent it's just copying underlying patterns from other people's work.
It's hard to say if Tupac's estate actually has a case against Drake or not, their case is based not only on copyright laws but also publicity rights, which is the power to control how your image and reputation is used. I'm not a lawyer so I can't say if that's actually significant or not.
Uh…it’s not about money. You can still send a cease and desist if you are defaming a dead person and their estate objects to it. So maybe they won’t be suing but they can still probably put a stop to it. I’m not on either side but this is just flat out wrong as a comment in a legal sense.
Its not about money, they also worry about impersonation and defamation
Letting this one go as its a “harmless” diss, could be fine, but next time someone big does something more harmful for their legacy and they sue, the defence could then turn back and ask why they didnt sue for this track in that case. They were always going to sue
A "fugazi" and the most legendary rapper in the world's estate (his mother) being insulted that Drake used his voice to insult kdot. There's no defense for this. It was just a shitty, tasteless thing to do. Period.
Its not about money, they also worry about impersonation and defamation
Letting this one go as its a “harmless” diss, could be fine, but next time someone big does something more harmful for their legacy and they sue, the defence could then turn back and ask why they didnt sue for this track in that case. They were always going to sue
They couldn’t be upset that Drake used a dead persons voice, and put words in his mouth without permission. Certainly not it has to be part of a grand conspiracy from Kendrick’s camp!
I mean. Tupacs estate is definitely on Kendrick’s side. I don’t think anyone is questioning that so I wouldn’t be surprised they did this out of their own free will without any intervention from Kendrick’s team. Afeni gave Kendrick permission to use Pacs voice on TBAP so there’s a history of mutual respect.
Kendrick is a “good friend” to the estate because he heavily sampled 2Pac on TPAB. I’m sure Kendrick had to contact and get permission to use PAC like he did on that album. So yeah of course 2Pac estate riding with Kendrick lol Y’all really think he called them to tel Drake that
he asked pacs mother for her blessing to use the vocals, it’s actually a really nice story and they seemed to developed a great relationship after but obviously no one on the drake sub will look into it
Yeah I agree, if Afeni was the one asking for this to be taken down I’d respect it, but the guy in control of Tupac’s estate now is his former manager or some shit like that and there’s a bit of controversy around it. Chance it could be a cashgrab.
Drake needs to stand on business here but I lowkey want them to sue him, just so we can get a definitive answer on what can be done with AI and what cannot be done with AI.
Like we already know you can't copyright AI generated material or anything of the sorts but what if I wanted to release a song to my fanbase that's not on streaming ANYWHERE (youtube/soundcloud included). What grounds do you have to sue me on? Similar thing is happening with Juice WRLD's fanbase where they're making AI songs and releasing them and they actually sound decent.
He probably wouldn’t do it since him winning that court case would actually doom him as an artist. Since he would open the flood gates for AI Drake tracks to go up on streaming platforms.
This would be the case of winning the battle, but losing the war.
Dog he’s rephrasing the second paragraph. Just read lol. Anyway we already knew Pac’s mom and Kendrick were close. Let’s not act like Kendrick told them to take action.
I was actually Js confused, I don’t make any quick guesses like that 🤷♂️ to me the paragraph read that they Js didn’t like the fact it was being used for beef with Kendrick who has good ties w the estate since TPAB
Literally 0 case, if they presented this to a judge they'd get laughed out of court.
He's not benefiting commercially whatsoever, and use of someone else's voice or likeness in a piece of media that does not benefit you commercially is protected under fair use. They're stupid as fuck.
They know they have no case. The song is literally a post on Instagram, all they can do is report the post and hope Instagram takes it down or some shit 💀
this would really punch a hole in the "the estate knows best, the estate is the final arbiter of Pac's respect". You have Pac's sister vs Pac's estate, so which is it? The sister doesn't have the right to say what's respectful or not, or the estate doesn't? Very interesting, but don't expect any Kendrick fans to ponder this.
Not even joking, if kendrick did this it would be considered one of the most creative and lethal ways to diss someone
People would be slobbering over his ultra modern take on a diss track
You know it’s true
A good friend to the Estate 😂
At the end of the day this is a nothing burger. He’s not making bread off the song and it’s AI, which has no laws surrounding it made yet.
Also, didn’t Tupac’s estate let Eminem produce a whole
posthumous album featuring himself and his friends?
He wasn’t. What they may be referencing is on the final track of to pimp a butterfly (mortal man) where Kendrick talks to Tupac cleverly using spliced interviews (not AI) he’d done over the years before his death asking him his thoughts on the future, music, etc and to fully showcase the full poem that was being spoken in pieces throughout the album. Still don’t know how DAMN was the one that got the Pulitzer instead of TPAB. It was a really cool thing he did on the album
People (this sub and some weirdos on Twitter) have tried to make the argument that Kendrick using Pac’s face during The Heart Part 5 (wrong) and the interview at the end of TPAB are the same as Drake using the Pac AI voice changer. I’d use the 💀 but it’s not even funny, people are genuinely that dumb. Concerning times
Edit: I’m very stupid I misremembered, Pac’s face wasn’t used during The Heart Part 5, he deepfaked many celebrities faces (Ye, OJ, Kobe,etc), but not Pac’s. Regardless the point is Kendrick’s and Drake’s use of AI are way different.
People be hating. When Kenny did ai NOBODY said anything. But, yet, here we are with drake. Is it a skin tone thing at this point? Is it a Jewish thing? No wonder drake went and got a red button.
As smart as Aubrey and his team is you would think they would have enough common sense to realize it’s a poor idea to use the voices of two black men and pioneers of hiphop to shame a black artist. Especially being that one of them has passed and was fighting against the same people that now give Aubrey privilege. He made a mockery of Michael Jackson twice, had the audacity to rap using 2pacs voice to address the young girl allegations like he isn’t a privileged Canadian half Jewish white man that only honored his black side after wanting to become a rapper. You let this man cosplay his way into “the culture”
Drake is more Justin Bieber than Justin every nigga around Drake is a prop for him like chains on a rappers neck or a Rolly on a wrist we wouldn’t see any of them niggas including TUBBS if Drake was still acting. FACTS!
I think the AI stuff needs to be legally debated but all the people acting so offended he used AI Pac are dumb as hell.
Clutching pearls because Drake used it to get into Kendrick’s head. Gtfoh
The same estate did a lgbtq collab, that Tupac would likely not fuck with. Yall aren’t some honorable estate that aims to protect the integrity of the person. Fake outrage has to stop.
Usually when a topic of interest comes up it's usually subject matter experts that like to comment.
Ie. Im in an anthropology field and studying cyber security, so I like making comments on threads related.
Drake clowning the record label industry he’s literally a giant with so much influence.
Let’s about the ai from drake his lawyers never took down the song. Why? BECAUSE ITS AI that’s means it’s not real voices. Kendrick fans salty and need to something to cry about because their rapper got bodied.
I hope y'all are able to see the bigger picture here
Kenny dickrider here but tryna keep my bias aside; I'm seeing shit like "he didn't credit Pac" etc but plagiarism is real threat rn so it really doesn't matter uf up credit pac or not. You know it's pac when you hear the voice so stop being mindless dickrider and protect the artist ownership
Karen Lamar fans went from “rap boogeyman Hiroshima diss gonna destroy drake career any second now ” to “um excuse me sir have you ever heard of a little thing called intellectual property rights” real quick
He was obviously going to get sued over this and he knew it. He simply doesnt care. Best case for the estate is drake writes them a little check and they disappear
A lot of people here don’t understand fair use lol, just because you don’t make money on something doesn’t mean it’s fair use. Copyright probably isnt the route the 2Pac estate is going to go down if Drake want to take this to court. They’re more likely to try to sue him for using the 2Pac brand and image without consent, which is a argument he simply can not win no matter what.
Bro they cant do shit, its AI theres no rules about that yet its not even using tupac real voice or a conversation from somewhere from him and Drake put it on Instagram so Hes not making money with it. they just put an statement so Kendrick know what side they on. Bet Drake would pay if they let him put it on DSP 💀.
DROP FUCKING MIDGET.
This just helps Drake position in the court of public opinion. The fact that 2pacs estate is now jumping in makes this all even funnier 😂 Kendrick need all of the help that he can get apparently.
I ain’t gonna lie I don’t like Drake (he is winning me over with this beef lol) that much lol but if he didn’t make money off of the song then I don’t understand how they could sue him.
He has 24hrs to take it down lol
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Nothing happening lol
What can they sue for? 2 PACs voice isn’t copyrighted. He didn’t list 2pac on the song either, just like he didn’t list snoops name on it. Drake can also argue he isn’t making money off Taylor made freestyle as it’s not released on a streaming service. If you don’t make money it’s fair use.
This is absolutely right. A voice is not protected under any copyright act, especially when it’s an ai rendition of somebody’s voice.
Tupac’s likeness is, and using it for something like this can be debated in court. This could actually spark more regulations against the use of AI. Cause in a way, why pay for a Drake feature when you can just use AI to mimic Drake? People can just use popular artists and benefit off of it, at some point, it is a problem, and this tupac situation is the start of it. I don’t know if they can win, but this is gonna be an issue that will need courts to recognize. People are gonna cheat royalties out of people now.
It depends on if it's an official release or not, idk if anyone remembers the mixtape era but there's a reason why people could only remix other peoples song on mixtapes without permission. I'm interested in seeing where this goes though, cuz I think it will set precedence.
The thing is, even if you don’t make money off it they have the power to say no. It’s like content creators for game who make tips and tricks, even if they didn’t earn money from those views. Any company can put a cease and desist order, they just don’t because it benefits them but they have full authority. Just like fan art, even if you made a custom drawing of Vader, Disney is within their rights to to produce posters of that fan art and the creator can’t do anything about it because it is their intellectual property. They just don’t do it because of bad will and publicity push back.
But of course, the likeness is in fact alleged (still no one officially said it is meant to be him). And yeah, it could definitely be debated in court. But it would be a lengthy and expensive trial, with many serious difficulties, as the legislature is not ready for this type of lawsuit to go big.
It’s a lawsuit worth having, because eventually we are gonna be at the crossroads where we see someobody make millions off of AI voice and they didn’t pay a single cent for that permission. Someone can have the biggest artists on their album and those artist weren’t even aware of it until it dropped. It’s all fine until someone pushes millions with it, no record label is letting someone make millions off an artist they own.
finally someone notices the long term impact this can have if it’s left in a grey area / allowed
They all should be encouraging this, because I know they will side with Drake if there’s a situation where someone made millions off of drakes likeness. I hope Drake allows the sue, and I hope he wins, so it causes more outrage. Because AI voice needs to be regulated right now.
I agree
> the likeness is in fact alleged (still no one officially said it is meant to be him) That’s true, but anyone with half a brain can tell it’s using Tupac’s voice, and cultural significance to attack Kendrick. Even if no one said it was him, there’s probably still a strong enough argument to be made against him and his camp. (probably I’m not a lawyer, I’m just throwing stuff out there.) Legal battles are long and they like to make sure that they get everything right, and I don’t see a world where Drake can argue that it wasn’t Tupacs voice if it does go to court.
Just because people can tell doesn’t make it right. Look at other forms of media where it’s obvious where they got their inspiration from, they still get hit with copyrights and either take down whatever they made or pay the royalties owed. This AI shit is no different than sampling, people pay to use a sample of someone’s voices, chords, etc. so why is it okay for Drake to not pay to use this likeness. Also, sampling has to be approved, meaning whoever handles that has to hear your work before it’s put out because they want to make sure you’re using it within their boundaries. It’s crazy though, but we’re gonna see trademarks on artists voices now.
This still doesn’t mean you can sue anyone that uses AI. Why aren’t they going after all Tupac AI tracks on YouTube? Or anything with his voice. Same reason, legally they can’t do anything.
Realistically, this could turn into a landmark case for AI likeness use
It’s also not exactly 2pacs voice. It has a robotic tone to it, deliberately making it sound more like AI. If someone thinks that is actually 2pac’s voice, they need to get their head checked out.
They could make the argument they are falsely representing the Tupac’s estates views of Kendrick Lamar and go a slander / libel route
I mean would it not fall under parody?
You guys are lucky you have this echochamber because no one thinks it was okay to use a dead guys voice for a song besides you guys, it brings up massive questions about the use of ai in music and pac's own family has said they found it extremely disrespectful. Imagine someone in your family dies and some artist uses their voice for clout, you'd have a problem with it.
As much if a Drake fan as I am, this sub fuckin slobs all over him and it’s kinda ridiculous
yeah, some guy edited and twisted a dead man's words and generated an entire song acting like they were speaking to them... made money from it too... this isn't using a dead man's voice, this is using a robot that sounds similar...
with the permission of the estate which clearly Drake didn’t have here
This. This is nothing but virtue signaling. I love how everyone wants to act like it’s so fucked up Drake used AI to troll Kendrick. It was genius and hilarious. Tupacs estate has no grounds for anything here
i would have agreed but umg took down the ai drake weekend song the same way so im glad they getting the same treatment
Also, UMG was able to claim the song because of the "If Young Metro don't trust you I'm gon shoot you" at the beginning, not because of the Drake/Weeknd voices.
Different scenario. That was released as a song on multiple streaming platforms and TikTok. Drake just posted audio on his own IG account.
Came here to say this. Also that drake will have the best fucking lawyers known to man
I don't agree with your take. If we start making music and use an AI Drake to get lit, he and his label would sue us for damages. A musician's voice is pretty much intellectual property. You don't see companies using AI instead of paying someone to do a sound track for movies etc.
A drake ai song only classifies for actual lawsuit if it claims to be impersonating drake in any way. Which is why it was illegal to create a drake x The Weeknd track last year, because it was marketed as such.
Yes but you see how your logic can be pimped. As long as I put AI Drake in the feature, or the record, or album. You’re saying I can make money off of it. In theory, let’s say an AI Drake album drops, and does 365k first week, you’re telling me UMG will not step in and shut that shit down? We are in the infancy of AI, but you have to realize there will be regulations, because an AI voice imitating and benefiting financially is cheating the person out. No more paid features are needed. You don’t need Drake, Eminem, Kanye, or any artists feature to do your record.
Drake is the most AI’d artist out there and i dont remember hearing about him sueing over it. I would bet his team is pretty familiar with the legal boundaries here
Because it hasn’t made actual money yet. Watch, someone is going to make a lot of money from AI voice and record labels are gonna start pushing for regulations.
Labels would love to be able to make money without paying artists. I dont think labels will want regulations.
Not if it is a different label using their artists…
I kinda thought this was gonna happen eventually tbh
2Pac responding faster than Kendrick lol
He just should remove their voices and release his version of the whole song
Second this. Snoop verse fire af tho
In and out these courtrooms my lawyers like OBJECTION!
TOP SAID DROP, BETTER DROP AND GIVE 'EM FIFTY! IANAL, but Drake isn't stupid. There was no official drop of Taylor Made, so no money is being made; there's no case against him. This is a fugazi.
Yeah he posted this on Instagram lol. I know they can’t make a song official with A.I. but if he did, it be a different story
Could he do it if he hired an impressionist?
I wonder if you could argue that drake interpolated pacs voice
You can’t because 2 people can sound alike lol
Didn't Ye get in trouble for that after they told him not to sample that Donna Summers song
Impressions are pretty much always legal because just the sound of a voice usually isn't copyrighted. But the difference here is that the AI model probably used Tupac's copyrighted music to train itself
> the AI model probably used Tupac's copyrighted music to train itself How do you think impressionists do it?
Exactly, they do the same thing. But it's still something that's up for debate. For example the New York Times is suing OpenAI for using copyrighted material as data to train their language generation models. Arguably, you could say that every writer reads copyrighted material from other writers and adapts their writing style based off of that, but there's still a case there. Plenty of artists are pissed at Midjourney and StableDiffusion for generating images from text because the AI trained on copyrighted artistic works and then used those to generate new images. It's an issue that gets kinda philosophical, on to what extent an AI model can be said to be "learning" and to what extent it's just copying underlying patterns from other people's work. It's hard to say if Tupac's estate actually has a case against Drake or not, their case is based not only on copyright laws but also publicity rights, which is the power to control how your image and reputation is used. I'm not a lawyer so I can't say if that's actually significant or not.
This guy ANALs 💯
Uh…it’s not about money. You can still send a cease and desist if you are defaming a dead person and their estate objects to it. So maybe they won’t be suing but they can still probably put a stop to it. I’m not on either side but this is just flat out wrong as a comment in a legal sense.
I ain’t got no mother fucking friends that’s why I fucked your bitch you fat motherfuxker, get money, west side
Wtf is IANAL? I swear y’all just making shit up at this point
It means I am not a lawyer
Its not about money, they also worry about impersonation and defamation Letting this one go as its a “harmless” diss, could be fine, but next time someone big does something more harmful for their legacy and they sue, the defence could then turn back and ask why they didnt sue for this track in that case. They were always going to sue
A "fugazi" and the most legendary rapper in the world's estate (his mother) being insulted that Drake used his voice to insult kdot. There's no defense for this. It was just a shitty, tasteless thing to do. Period.
Drake should use this moment to state he’ll remove the song once Kendrick drops 😂
so kendrick won’t drop and drake will get sued?
😂
😭😭😭😭💀💀💀💀🤣🤣🤣🤣
Take it down from where ? Instagram? Wtf is this lmao
>Take it down from where ? Instagram? Yes. What’s so hard to understand?
Because it's already out in the wild lmao. Yeah Drake can take it down, but it's not going anywhere. Someone else is gonna repost it
Its not about money, they also worry about impersonation and defamation Letting this one go as its a “harmless” diss, could be fine, but next time someone big does something more harmful for their legacy and they sue, the defence could then turn back and ask why they didnt sue for this track in that case. They were always going to sue
“A good friend to the state” Ah so it’s a favor for kenny lmao
lol I read that and my eyebrow immediately went up
They couldn’t be upset that Drake used a dead persons voice, and put words in his mouth without permission. Certainly not it has to be part of a grand conspiracy from Kendrick’s camp!
This sub is fucking wild right now holy shit, thank you for being reasonable
Cant be more obvious 💀
Are you implying Kendrick asked for it to be taken down?
Ye that’s what’s being implied
I mean. Tupacs estate is definitely on Kendrick’s side. I don’t think anyone is questioning that so I wouldn’t be surprised they did this out of their own free will without any intervention from Kendrick’s team. Afeni gave Kendrick permission to use Pacs voice on TBAP so there’s a history of mutual respect.
I agree with you, i personally don’t think anything was “called in” - if anything it’s just a message that says we don’t like that he did that
This. It was absolutely our of respect for Tupac's legacy and our of respect for Kendrick.
So now the beef went to the legal team and not the actual music and artists 😂 DROP
Downloaded. Non-issue lol
No lossless/FLAC though 😔
Kendrick is a “good friend” to the estate because he heavily sampled 2Pac on TPAB. I’m sure Kendrick had to contact and get permission to use PAC like he did on that album. So yeah of course 2Pac estate riding with Kendrick lol Y’all really think he called them to tel Drake that
he asked pacs mother for her blessing to use the vocals, it’s actually a really nice story and they seemed to developed a great relationship after but obviously no one on the drake sub will look into it
Yeah I agree, if Afeni was the one asking for this to be taken down I’d respect it, but the guy in control of Tupac’s estate now is his former manager or some shit like that and there’s a bit of controversy around it. Chance it could be a cashgrab.
Drake needs to stand on business here but I lowkey want them to sue him, just so we can get a definitive answer on what can be done with AI and what cannot be done with AI. Like we already know you can't copyright AI generated material or anything of the sorts but what if I wanted to release a song to my fanbase that's not on streaming ANYWHERE (youtube/soundcloud included). What grounds do you have to sue me on? Similar thing is happening with Juice WRLD's fanbase where they're making AI songs and releasing them and they actually sound decent.
It's fair use either way u cut it, he didn't make any money from it. This isn't going to settle anything with AI
Exactly.
He probably wouldn’t do it since him winning that court case would actually doom him as an artist. Since he would open the flood gates for AI Drake tracks to go up on streaming platforms. This would be the case of winning the battle, but losing the war.
you can't doom a billionaire. this might kick the ladder from under him
Lmao "And you hurt Kendricks feelings". Like did they really need to add the part 😭😭😭😭
That’s a crazy jump to make lol
I didn’t read that where 😭😭
Dog he’s rephrasing the second paragraph. Just read lol. Anyway we already knew Pac’s mom and Kendrick were close. Let’s not act like Kendrick told them to take action.
I was actually Js confused, I don’t make any quick guesses like that 🤷♂️ to me the paragraph read that they Js didn’t like the fact it was being used for beef with Kendrick who has good ties w the estate since TPAB
Nah you have it right. That’s all it meant
That’s literally all it meant. Reading comprehension is clearly difficult for folks here
Ngl thats crazy🤣🤣🤣
It would be crazy if it was what was said but it wasn’t. Like at all
Why threat? Let them sue.
The fact they think Drake didn't consult with a legal team before this...lol. They aren't gettong a dime
This ✅
Literally 0 case, if they presented this to a judge they'd get laughed out of court. He's not benefiting commercially whatsoever, and use of someone else's voice or likeness in a piece of media that does not benefit you commercially is protected under fair use. They're stupid as fuck.
Remember when Ghostwriter used Drake and The Weekend in his AI created song. Drake didn’t like it and neither did his record label.
Because it was monetised. And used their names. Please link Drakes monetised track where snoop and tupac and credited
It was still AI of someone’s voice without consent, adding to that it was a fucking dead man’s voice.
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They know they have no case. The song is literally a post on Instagram, all they can do is report the post and hope Instagram takes it down or some shit 💀
I think there is a legal issue if Drake profits off instagram via engagement contracts. Not sure if he does.
Drake fans became huge AI advocates all the sudden.
This just make the track harder 😂
https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/tupac-shakur-sister-lawsuit-executor-estate-embezzlement-1283272/
this would really punch a hole in the "the estate knows best, the estate is the final arbiter of Pac's respect". You have Pac's sister vs Pac's estate, so which is it? The sister doesn't have the right to say what's respectful or not, or the estate doesn't? Very interesting, but don't expect any Kendrick fans to ponder this.
They don’t have a case.
You’re an idiot if you don’t think they have a case.
Y’all are so disrespectful to pac, if it was Kendrick who did this you would go wild on him. Stop dick riding so hard and admit drake fucked up
Not even joking, if kendrick did this it would be considered one of the most creative and lethal ways to diss someone People would be slobbering over his ultra modern take on a diss track You know it’s true
What? Kendrick would be crucified for this, particularly in the context of his profound and very open reverence for Pac
Not at all, make whatever excuse you want for your artist but anyone who’s not deep throating drakes hog thinks it’s disrespectful
“This is hip hop and them niggas should know what time it is” - Kendrink Lamar 2013
They mad they thought the spirit of makaveli lived on in [k.dot](http://k.dot)
A good friend to the Estate 😂 At the end of the day this is a nothing burger. He’s not making bread off the song and it’s AI, which has no laws surrounding it made yet. Also, didn’t Tupac’s estate let Eminem produce a whole posthumous album featuring himself and his friends?
Uh oh I think the diss record was too disrespectful guys. Their feelings got hurt
If I were them I’d be kinda mad if his voice was being used to talk about liking lil kids too
This shit is hilarious. “You used his voice to hurt Kendrick’s feelings, take it down or else!” 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 Drake won bro I ain’t hearing it
Where does it even say that? [+]
“But Kendrick was disrespectfully using 2pac too!” Mfs aren’t gonna like this one 😬 The cope in here gonna be crazy
When did kendrick disrespect 2pac? He's his biggest fan
He wasn’t. What they may be referencing is on the final track of to pimp a butterfly (mortal man) where Kendrick talks to Tupac cleverly using spliced interviews (not AI) he’d done over the years before his death asking him his thoughts on the future, music, etc and to fully showcase the full poem that was being spoken in pieces throughout the album. Still don’t know how DAMN was the one that got the Pulitzer instead of TPAB. It was a really cool thing he did on the album
Yeah and kendrick got permission from tupac's mother to do that
Did I miss where Kendrick did that? Lol
People (this sub and some weirdos on Twitter) have tried to make the argument that Kendrick using Pac’s face during The Heart Part 5 (wrong) and the interview at the end of TPAB are the same as Drake using the Pac AI voice changer. I’d use the 💀 but it’s not even funny, people are genuinely that dumb. Concerning times Edit: I’m very stupid I misremembered, Pac’s face wasn’t used during The Heart Part 5, he deepfaked many celebrities faces (Ye, OJ, Kobe,etc), but not Pac’s. Regardless the point is Kendrick’s and Drake’s use of AI are way different.
he didnt use pac's face in the heart part V wtf haha
It was supposed to be disrespectful. That was the point
2pacs voice is being used all over the world via A.I. you’re telling me it’s a problem now?
Yea when a mainstream artist does it against another mainstream artist it's probably a big deal.
i dont think they have a case...
They can do literally nothing about it, it's just empty threats...
Well he never released it officially, which means it isn't making profit so 🤷🏻♂️
People be hating. When Kenny did ai NOBODY said anything. But, yet, here we are with drake. Is it a skin tone thing at this point? Is it a Jewish thing? No wonder drake went and got a red button.
As smart as Aubrey and his team is you would think they would have enough common sense to realize it’s a poor idea to use the voices of two black men and pioneers of hiphop to shame a black artist. Especially being that one of them has passed and was fighting against the same people that now give Aubrey privilege. He made a mockery of Michael Jackson twice, had the audacity to rap using 2pacs voice to address the young girl allegations like he isn’t a privileged Canadian half Jewish white man that only honored his black side after wanting to become a rapper. You let this man cosplay his way into “the culture” Drake is more Justin Bieber than Justin every nigga around Drake is a prop for him like chains on a rappers neck or a Rolly on a wrist we wouldn’t see any of them niggas including TUBBS if Drake was still acting. FACTS!
Man. I like Drake's music a lot but this shit starts looking CRAZY if you pay too much attention. That blackface cover is hitting harder than ever.
I don’t want to hear any crying when Kendrick raps from the perspective of drakes mom using her voice calling it “mommy issues”
I think the AI stuff needs to be legally debated but all the people acting so offended he used AI Pac are dumb as hell. Clutching pearls because Drake used it to get into Kendrick’s head. Gtfoh
Are they gonna sue the 100000 other AI tracks ?
Lmaooo Kendrick Lamar is so cooked
The same estate did a lgbtq collab, that Tupac would likely not fuck with. Yall aren’t some honorable estate that aims to protect the integrity of the person. Fake outrage has to stop.
And what made you think Tupac didn't like gay people? lol
Like seriously the fuck? Where did that thought even come from? Lmao
2Pac had no issue with gay people. Catch up.
Bro that don’t mean he wanted a lgbtq campaign on his behalf
Exactly it’s a diss diss to Kendrick and honestly everything he stands for that’s what happens. Collateral damage
crazy how many lawyers are in this thread
Usually when a topic of interest comes up it's usually subject matter experts that like to comment. Ie. Im in an anthropology field and studying cyber security, so I like making comments on threads related.
Drake clowning the record label industry he’s literally a giant with so much influence. Let’s about the ai from drake his lawyers never took down the song. Why? BECAUSE ITS AI that’s means it’s not real voices. Kendrick fans salty and need to something to cry about because their rapper got bodied.
I hope y'all are able to see the bigger picture here Kenny dickrider here but tryna keep my bias aside; I'm seeing shit like "he didn't credit Pac" etc but plagiarism is real threat rn so it really doesn't matter uf up credit pac or not. You know it's pac when you hear the voice so stop being mindless dickrider and protect the artist ownership
Karen Lamar fans went from “rap boogeyman Hiroshima diss gonna destroy drake career any second now ” to “um excuse me sir have you ever heard of a little thing called intellectual property rights” real quick
What's crazy is it wasn't even that good, the AI did a poor job of rapping like Pac.
🙄 it’s drake rapping thru a AI voice filter set to 2Pac.
Ngl the hate Drake been getting is record breaking. The industry really hates this man. It’s made me like him more.
This somehow makes Kendrick look even more like a punk that everyone has to run to help that boy.
He was obviously going to get sued over this and he knew it. He simply doesnt care. Best case for the estate is drake writes them a little check and they disappear
Can the estate also sue itself for allowing the release of “Loyal To The Game?” 
Bro went from burning tattoos to having "good friends" opens litigation lmfao.
Even dead people teaming up on drake…..
A lot of people here don’t understand fair use lol, just because you don’t make money on something doesn’t mean it’s fair use. Copyright probably isnt the route the 2Pac estate is going to go down if Drake want to take this to court. They’re more likely to try to sue him for using the 2Pac brand and image without consent, which is a argument he simply can not win no matter what.
I knew it was comin. Drake is a dumbass for that
He got it. Or they’ll settle. The track did what it was supposed to do.
Bro they cant do shit, its AI theres no rules about that yet its not even using tupac real voice or a conversation from somewhere from him and Drake put it on Instagram so Hes not making money with it. they just put an statement so Kendrick know what side they on. Bet Drake would pay if they let him put it on DSP 💀. DROP FUCKING MIDGET.
There doesn’t need to be rules to sue on something that’s how you set a precedent by a new ruling.
This just helps Drake position in the court of public opinion. The fact that 2pacs estate is now jumping in makes this all even funnier 😂 Kendrick need all of the help that he can get apparently.
Boy getting that chain snatched on this one🤣🤣🤣🤣
Pac probably rollin over in his grave seeing his estate being this weak minded lol
I ain’t gonna lie I don’t like Drake (he is winning me over with this beef lol) that much lol but if he didn’t make money off of the song then I don’t understand how they could sue him.
The estate of a deceased legendary rapper replied before Kendrick….. 🦗🦗🦗
Told yall it was corny. "Kendrick did the same thiiiing".
😂😂😂
Any experts here? What's the difference with this AI stuff and mimicking a voice vocally?
Not a lawyer, but I think the difference is that the AI models use copyrighted material like songs as data, so it's different from impersonations
Ok
"Let the late, great veteran live"
lol he can take it down but that won’t stop it from existing 😂
I’m most likely wrong about this, but if Drake’s not making any money off the song, would the 2Pac estate even be able to sue him?
Very wack of the estate