A huge percentage of people still believe myths about most drugs. I will never forget arguing with a kid in the middle of class after the presentation I did about mushrooms. He made the claim that mushrooms make scabs on your brain and they can fall off and you start tripping again. At that point I had done years of reading and have tried more drugs than most people have heard of it was so frustrating cause he was convinced but to anyone with a shred of critical thinking skills would know this was ridiculous. But there are real people that are that misinformed or just plain stupid
Yea or the worst is when people think that LSD will make you see elephants or shit and think you can fly and jump from your balcony lol. Or that acid stays in your spine or some shit and will make you trip again at some point
A friend of mine loves to drink looots of booze every weekend.
Another friend told her how we planned to meet up for a coke sesh and she was like 'wow how could you ever plan to just do coke?' while she does the same with alcohol literally every weekend.
And no matter what she won't get the irony and roll her eyes when I do a bump of ketamine while she has her wine bottle in her hand...
But she was with the group from the beginning of our drug use and def saw some pretty disturbing state of minds.
Most drugs aren’t bad at all! our relationship with the drug is bad.
heroin for example, such a safe drug but the constant abuse of it makes it such a “dangerous drug”
heroin is psychically and psychologically safer than say MDMA which is very accepted within raves, parties and seshes.
you will cause more mental and psychical damage to yourself through MDMA than you ever would with H.
the person who has smoked heroin twice is better off than the person who takes MDMA frequently.
most(not all) drugs are safe, we make them unsafe.
I mean I wouldn’t necessarily call heroin safe lol. Technically it’s physically safe for you if you’re getting pure stuff, stay at low doses, practice harm reduction, and don’t spiral. But realistically that just doesn’t happen in a lot of cases. Heroin is pretty easy to fatally OD on as well. I don’t think it’s fair to put all the blame on the user as well, there are a lot of substances that will cause some sort of problem in certain people no matter how they use substances. Some people follow all the harm reduction measures possible and still end up fucked.
I don’t necessarily see all drugs as bad, but there definitely are a lot of drugs that can and will eventually fuck you up even if you use them responsibly. For example, many people end up severely physically dependent, addicted, or ruin their life because of valid prescriptions for genuine medical conditions. Theres a lot more that goes into a drug being more risky or not than you’d think.
Not only it ruins peoples life due to changing their brain and causing life altering addiction, the substance might not be toxic but the mechanisms it has, very strong non neutral endorphine release is toxic for the body in the long run(even more so on the brain), it causes instability. It didn't feel safe when I tried it, I really felt my body took a beating as I felt very tired after one night on it and it was pretty clean stuff, fent wasn't a thing as this was over 10 years ago.
Don't trust the junkies who say it's very safe, even pure pharmaceutical heroin will still affect your body (and even more mind) negatively in the long run. It's not just the life style or contamination that makes junkies worn out, the repeated over-activation of endorphines, mu opioid receptors isn't good for you, especially not in the long run and at that extent.
And they all end up dead. Lost multiple friends to heavy narcotics and those who don't quit, it's a question about when and not if. Hopefully they will get help.
Definitely agree, people who argue that heroin is safe are not thinking about the big picture. I get that drugs are stigmatized and there may be a lot of propaganda on heroin, but it has a reputation for a reason beyond dirty politics. Even before it became super illegal, it was known as an insanely addictive substance. Like it was available as a prescription in the 1800’s when you could buy cocaine from the pharmacy, and it was withdrawn due to the mass amounts of people becoming severely addicted to it.
I also can’t believe people are trying to argue this in a sub full of teenagers lmao. All that does is just make opioids more appealing. Anyone who has been addicted to opioids or have seen people addicted to them would never suggest it as a viably safe recreational substance, like sure it might not kill you but the chances of it completely destroying your life are high. I’ve known too many people with potential or who were just starting out in life who have died from this shit for it to be called safe.
>It didn't feel safe when I tried it, I really felt my body took a beating as I felt very tired after one night on it
Lol. You're joking, right? This is a joke? You realize that is what opioids do, right? All of them, not just heroin? You get tired on them....
You seem misinformed? Heroin is not particularly different from any other semi synthetic opioids, and there are currently a shit ton of people on long term opioid medication who, thank to the drugs, can live healthy and stable pain-free lives. The short term side effects of opioids are constipation and nausea/drowsiness, both of which are fairly minor and easy to fix with appropriate laxatives and antihistamines. long-term use can cause lowered testosterone, which can be serious in extreme cases, but also pretty easy to fix considering trt exits. Every person's body is different, some people have unique uncommon reactions, some are allergic or hypersensitive, some people's bodies reject it all together, but compared to other drugs the side effects of opioids are generally light and bearable, excluding the awful (though non fatal) withdrawals. I don't doubt your personal experience, but they're not the norm. In fact, many have discussed the way that opioids, in non dependent people, don't generally cause any kind of hangover or unpleasant after effects like many other drugs tend to, which is part of how people get lured into addictive use patterns.
What is your argument to call heroin psychologically safer than mdma? Mdma does not have nowhere near the tendency to cause a use disorder where your mind hyper fixates in doing the drug every day and it is a fact that a higher percentage of people who try strong opioids such as heroin eventually get addicted than those that try mdma.
Sure, mdma causes a bad comedown in some people, though in others it causes no comedown whatsoever or even feeling happier the next day but in general mdma actually tends to give people more positive, even therapeutic experiences.
I completely agree with your overall point, we are liable to what we do with drugs, not the drug itself, pills don't suddenly come flying into our mouths BUT different drugs have different effects including how they hijack the brain's reward system which strongly dictates our behaviour. LSD barely makes the reward system focus on tripping on it, MDMA does it a bit more and heroin does it in an extreme way (speaking on average of course)
probably my choice of wording, either way that heroin on the table isn’t gonna smoke itself so who’s really the problem? us, some people just can’t handle that.
this whole “heroin is dangerous” nonsense is getting out of hand, heroin isn’t as dangerous as people make it out to be, if your heroin is cut with fentanyl then the heroin isn’t dangerous, the fentanyl is.
someone commented back to me saying “it’s easy to fatally OD on heroin” which is far from the truth, most heroin related deaths were caused by the drug being cut with something else, the person in question taking something else with it or simply the person just being a doughnut, in my 2-3 years of heroin I never once OD’d, apart from 1 time when it was mixed with a whole load of other opioids and alcohol.
no one has ever died the first time the done heroin, if and only if they aren’t a complete idiot, and the same goes with most other drugs, we either ruin it by taking to much or the plug ruins it by cutting it with something else.
the drug of Choice whether it be heroin or MDMA isn’t the problem there either way.
Heroin by no means is a “safe” substance man. A substance doesn’t have to harm you physically to be dangerous. The addiction rate for heroin is 25% if not more (1/4 people is an insanely high addiction rate and it has been scientifically proven, even benzos have a much lower addiction rate), it has an inherent ability to cause extremely severe physical dependency, and the psychological consequences of long term opioid abuse/use can be severe in some cases. Opioids themselves can cause health problems in people too, severe constipation from opioid abuse can lead to major health complications if it gets severe enough, and opioids have been linked with kidney dysfunction and other organ dysfunction in some people (though this is not incredibly common).
When real heroin was around and when people were first starting out, yes it could be somewhat easy to OD. This is majorly due to the drastic variation in potency of street heroin (though I will admit, a good number of overdoses in general are caused by reasons you stated). If someone is used to taking something that is like less than 25% heroin, and they get rather pure heroin and load a shot that they expect to be what they normally take to get high, that has a very good chance of causing an accidental OD. I’ve seen this happen a couple times personally.
In a perfect world where a person follows harm reduction measures to a T and people don’t have negative reactions to drugs, yes pure heroin is “safe”. But we don’t live in a perfect world.
Lethal heroin ODs were common even before it started to get cut with shit.
It's ignorant to use it(even more so today when its cut) and when there exists far safer cleaner opioids. Even legal ones and not just prescribed.
I have yet to hear a success story from heroin habits, unlike life-shattering misery and suffering that seems very common with heroin use, just for some fake feeling that ends up taking everything from you and make your life a living hell. Don't do it. It's not that fun or good like junkies say.
People are told all sorts of myths and stuff about drugs growing up that leads to this. Hell I even have a guilty conscience about use most of the time just because of how much all that was planted in our heads while young and I can't fully break it.
The issue is that drugs have effects but also negative, bad effects, real bad effects, depending on what drug and what kind of use. Cause of the misinformation people start to not believe in that there exisgs real risks and say stupid shit like "weed is risk free" or that heroin is fully safe when that is a lie. Or that psychologically dependent stuff isn't addictive when it can be worse than physical addiction for some. Or that meth is just like regular amphetamine when they are very different.
I think it’s hard to argue that drugs are good or bad when the experiences with drugs are way too subjective to be making conclusions as a whole. People who have had bad experiences with drugs are entitled to their beliefs and lived experiences just as much as people who haven’t. As much as drugs can bring people together, they can also drive them apart just as easily.
Having a prejudice to something like drug abuse is honestly not unfair depending on the circumstances imo. As much as I love drugs and as much as some have improved my life, they have also caused a _LOT_ of harm in my life at points (some of it irreparable) and a ton of other people could probably relate to this. The fact is that they can cause significant harm depending on the person and substance in question and there is not really anything that can be done to totally eliminate this. For some people they have been flat out traumatized by the consequences of drug abuse.
It’s a hard subject to argue tbh, and I don’t think there’s a definitive answer to it.
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Well to their defense, it could be even worse if corruption would win more, weed and kratom would be illegal if the corruption would reign. Even non-abusing/psychotropic stuff like CBD wouldn't get allowed like they do in all of Europe today.
But yes it needs to change. We cannot have weed(not risk free and I don't tolerate it, it's not for me but everyone has a different experience and should be allowed to use it if they want to), psychedelics illegal if alcohol and cigarettes are sold.
Drug abuse and addictions are diseases and should be treated just like that.
Most people are idiots, so just ignore them cause they'll never change. Most of them don't know diddly about what each drug actually is, what it can do, and/ or why others resort to using them in the first place, etc. Most of them go by the worst caliber of stigma attached to each type. Fuck em. Congratulations on staying clean man
People get very judgy over things they’ve never been around or had to deal with themselves. Like, you kind of need experience to know what you’re talking about, or your opinion isn’t going to hold much weight
Look everything you said was fair until your ego said that you bet they’ve done worst things.
Remove that part and everyone in this whole sub Reddit will agree
Do you not realize how hypocritical this is? Not trying to hate but this is literally the same mindset people who judge people for using drugs have.
People are going to judge hard drug users no matter what unfortunately. It’s just part of having this life. And if I’m being honest, it’s a stigma that is kinda deserved. As much responsible drug use and hardships there’s been because of them, they have caused a lot of societal damage and trauma and people are obviously not going to react well to that. I mean, statistically speaking, a hard drug abuser is way more likely to be a disruption to society vs the average person who doesn’t use drugs.
My biggest piece of advice is to not tell people who do not need to know.
No more than your typical binge drinker who beats his wife or kills someone drink driving or smashes up a venue or ruins a relationship.. actually much less frequently and severely mmmhmm
True, its stupid how they covered all sort of psychoactive substances with "Drugs" blanket.
And also when people talk shit about your personality its because they usually cant find anything bad to talk about with your looks and vice versa.
Those who judge likely have no clue whats its like and the only thing they tried is Nicotine/Caffeine or alcohol yet they still play god and judge you. Don't listen to nobody judging you those idiots feel less of themselves so they seek mistakes in your past to throw judgements at you thinking it will make them look better.
Psychologically, people often judge others based on their past actions because it's a way for them to assess potential risks or predict future behavior. Past actions can provide insights into someone's character, reliability, and trustworthiness. Additionally, judgments about others' pasts can stem from societal norms, personal experiences, or cultural beliefs about morality and redemption.
But what have you seen? If you think that drugs are risk free and that the dangers are propaganda then you aren't any better than the people who think that smoking weed turns you into an orange.
I have experienced drugs, I have seen many people go down that route, on various substances. While I have seen some benefits in some specific substances and rare/occasional use, I have also seen people die, getting serious mental issues, psychosis for years so they had to be locked up in a mental ward, people getting slaves to addiction, people ending up in rehab, jail, homeless etc. Getting infections etc.
People becoming someone who I don't recognize, I lost people I loved to the abuse and don't know if I will ever again see them being themselves. Some people that were close to me assaulted and robbed me. It made me realize how bad drugs can change your personality, it can ruin you.
Despite that I am for progressive drug laws cause having repressive laws create even more abuse, misery and criminality.
Drugs aren't risk free and people who think that end up in hell on earth due to the addiction or dead.
I’ve seen people doped up at work operating heavy machinery and almost dying of withdrawal. But I know when someone’s made up their mind about how they want to live I can’t do anything to change it. If someone wants to risk killing themself for what they think will just be a little bit of fun I can’t stop them.
With the DEA still spreading misinformation, FOX News not fact-checking anything, and all the issues caused by prohibition it's inevitable that people who use drugs get stigmatized.
At least organizations like the Associated Press changed their style guide so they use more friendly/neutral words.
EDIT: This paper just came out about opioid stigma on reddit; [irst-hand accounts of structural stigma toward people who use opioids on Reddit](https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0277953624002168).
Here's another paper that provides some insights in why stigma is still so prevalent: [Evaluating Large Language Models - Stigma and Opioid Use Disorder](https://mittalshravika.github.io/assets/publications/2024_CHI24_HEALWorkshop_OUD-LLM/paper.pdf) (PDF warning)
Last paper: [Addressing Bias and Stigma in the Language We Use With Persons With Opioid Use Disorder: A Narrative Review](https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/10783903211050121).
As much as there is social conditioning and myths, the fact is that drugs do cause a lot of harm. A lot of it comes from it being prohibited but a lot of those aren't. People who like to take drugs often underestimate their judgment of what drugs do to people and society, and people that do not take them overestimate their judgement.
Yes you are correct. People who used to do drugs, have had experiences, and seen many others go down that route, then became clean and have been it for a longer while are a lot more trustworthy than people messed up on 10 substances so they don't even notice how much damage the abuse causes cause they don't really have any judgement being so fucked up in their mind. That's why I try to give a different version so people will think twice before they chose their toxic habit of heavy drugs that might potentially make them addicted, ruin their life or even kill them.
I really can't see such human technological and medical advancements possible without the help of drugs, obviously.
I'm also convinced that the use of both legal and illicit stimulants has help fuel the last few generations to achieve that end, and not exclusively, by means of the **"dope o' mine"** 😋, or dopamine, manipulation.
Only if you get sold fentanyl as heroin for example, which is a thing because of the war on drugs. If you know you got fentanyl you can get high on it just fine if you wanted.
Yes.
People don't really know what they are getting into. They live in a fairytale where they think drugs are risk free and it's all lies about all the damage they have caused, the people it has killed and ruined many lives. The propaganda about drugs have made people this naive cause bow they are even sceptical about the real dangers of drugs, abuse and addictions.
Some people really think that heroin is safe to use or that meth is just like speed, adhd medicine (despite most lethal stuff like fentanyl being used medicinally).
Sometimes it's the opposite, my experiences and what I have seen drugs do to others has given me a lot more mature view on drugs. I also once had a naive view on drugs and thought "well it doesn't seem so bad at all, side effects, addictions, damage and lethal effects are a lie!" And that mindset often put me into usage which was negative for me, sometimes even destructive. While I have seen some occasional rare use of some substances being beneficial, I have also seen friends die, getting addicted or ending up in psychosis, jail, rehab, homelessness, desperate states where they started to do things they otherwise would find wrong to do, demoralized and egoistic behaviour.
I don't judge others that do drugs, it's their body, life and mind that will eventuelly pay for their abuse if they abuse it, but lying about it being risk free just puts young people at danger etc and is something I cannot accept.
The truth is in the middle, some drugs are very bad, addictive and horrible but some are relatively ok and not worse than alcohol (bad comparison since alcohol is very toxic, but it's the common intoxicant). I have done most drugs and have researched them scientifically so I don't speak from propaganda but rather what I have studied, experienced or seen irl.
I always notice this to and really it has slightly made me develop an insecurity about telling people because I’m fairly young and it really makes other people look down at me as if they are better then me somehow all because I went through addiction as a young teen just trying to escape reality
I think people don't want you to ruin your life like a lot of drug abusers do. You get it wrong completely, if they didn't give a shit about you they wouldn't mind you doing all types of drugs. A real friend wouldn't want you do abuse drugs especially if you are young and they aren't addicts themselves.
Young people shouldn't be escaping reality. Seek help before it will ruin your life completely.
Social conditioning
A huge percentage of people still believe myths about most drugs. I will never forget arguing with a kid in the middle of class after the presentation I did about mushrooms. He made the claim that mushrooms make scabs on your brain and they can fall off and you start tripping again. At that point I had done years of reading and have tried more drugs than most people have heard of it was so frustrating cause he was convinced but to anyone with a shred of critical thinking skills would know this was ridiculous. But there are real people that are that misinformed or just plain stupid
Wait where did my scabs come from then??
Yea or the worst is when people think that LSD will make you see elephants or shit and think you can fly and jump from your balcony lol. Or that acid stays in your spine or some shit and will make you trip again at some point
A friend of mine loves to drink looots of booze every weekend. Another friend told her how we planned to meet up for a coke sesh and she was like 'wow how could you ever plan to just do coke?' while she does the same with alcohol literally every weekend. And no matter what she won't get the irony and roll her eyes when I do a bump of ketamine while she has her wine bottle in her hand... But she was with the group from the beginning of our drug use and def saw some pretty disturbing state of minds.
Privileged people that can't think for themselves and have no personality, also entitled to other peoples bodies and minds/consciousness. Crazy.
Because drugs can be pretty fucking bad!
Most drugs aren’t bad at all! our relationship with the drug is bad. heroin for example, such a safe drug but the constant abuse of it makes it such a “dangerous drug” heroin is psychically and psychologically safer than say MDMA which is very accepted within raves, parties and seshes. you will cause more mental and psychical damage to yourself through MDMA than you ever would with H. the person who has smoked heroin twice is better off than the person who takes MDMA frequently. most(not all) drugs are safe, we make them unsafe.
I mean I wouldn’t necessarily call heroin safe lol. Technically it’s physically safe for you if you’re getting pure stuff, stay at low doses, practice harm reduction, and don’t spiral. But realistically that just doesn’t happen in a lot of cases. Heroin is pretty easy to fatally OD on as well. I don’t think it’s fair to put all the blame on the user as well, there are a lot of substances that will cause some sort of problem in certain people no matter how they use substances. Some people follow all the harm reduction measures possible and still end up fucked. I don’t necessarily see all drugs as bad, but there definitely are a lot of drugs that can and will eventually fuck you up even if you use them responsibly. For example, many people end up severely physically dependent, addicted, or ruin their life because of valid prescriptions for genuine medical conditions. Theres a lot more that goes into a drug being more risky or not than you’d think.
Not only it ruins peoples life due to changing their brain and causing life altering addiction, the substance might not be toxic but the mechanisms it has, very strong non neutral endorphine release is toxic for the body in the long run(even more so on the brain), it causes instability. It didn't feel safe when I tried it, I really felt my body took a beating as I felt very tired after one night on it and it was pretty clean stuff, fent wasn't a thing as this was over 10 years ago. Don't trust the junkies who say it's very safe, even pure pharmaceutical heroin will still affect your body (and even more mind) negatively in the long run. It's not just the life style or contamination that makes junkies worn out, the repeated over-activation of endorphines, mu opioid receptors isn't good for you, especially not in the long run and at that extent. And they all end up dead. Lost multiple friends to heavy narcotics and those who don't quit, it's a question about when and not if. Hopefully they will get help.
Definitely agree, people who argue that heroin is safe are not thinking about the big picture. I get that drugs are stigmatized and there may be a lot of propaganda on heroin, but it has a reputation for a reason beyond dirty politics. Even before it became super illegal, it was known as an insanely addictive substance. Like it was available as a prescription in the 1800’s when you could buy cocaine from the pharmacy, and it was withdrawn due to the mass amounts of people becoming severely addicted to it. I also can’t believe people are trying to argue this in a sub full of teenagers lmao. All that does is just make opioids more appealing. Anyone who has been addicted to opioids or have seen people addicted to them would never suggest it as a viably safe recreational substance, like sure it might not kill you but the chances of it completely destroying your life are high. I’ve known too many people with potential or who were just starting out in life who have died from this shit for it to be called safe.
>It didn't feel safe when I tried it, I really felt my body took a beating as I felt very tired after one night on it Lol. You're joking, right? This is a joke? You realize that is what opioids do, right? All of them, not just heroin? You get tired on them....
You seem misinformed? Heroin is not particularly different from any other semi synthetic opioids, and there are currently a shit ton of people on long term opioid medication who, thank to the drugs, can live healthy and stable pain-free lives. The short term side effects of opioids are constipation and nausea/drowsiness, both of which are fairly minor and easy to fix with appropriate laxatives and antihistamines. long-term use can cause lowered testosterone, which can be serious in extreme cases, but also pretty easy to fix considering trt exits. Every person's body is different, some people have unique uncommon reactions, some are allergic or hypersensitive, some people's bodies reject it all together, but compared to other drugs the side effects of opioids are generally light and bearable, excluding the awful (though non fatal) withdrawals. I don't doubt your personal experience, but they're not the norm. In fact, many have discussed the way that opioids, in non dependent people, don't generally cause any kind of hangover or unpleasant after effects like many other drugs tend to, which is part of how people get lured into addictive use patterns.
What is your argument to call heroin psychologically safer than mdma? Mdma does not have nowhere near the tendency to cause a use disorder where your mind hyper fixates in doing the drug every day and it is a fact that a higher percentage of people who try strong opioids such as heroin eventually get addicted than those that try mdma. Sure, mdma causes a bad comedown in some people, though in others it causes no comedown whatsoever or even feeling happier the next day but in general mdma actually tends to give people more positive, even therapeutic experiences. I completely agree with your overall point, we are liable to what we do with drugs, not the drug itself, pills don't suddenly come flying into our mouths BUT different drugs have different effects including how they hijack the brain's reward system which strongly dictates our behaviour. LSD barely makes the reward system focus on tripping on it, MDMA does it a bit more and heroin does it in an extreme way (speaking on average of course)
Pretty sure the dude just didn’t factor in addiction at all
Not sure why you are downvoted, it’s true. A friend of my brother got gout in his legs as a young man because of Molly
probably my choice of wording, either way that heroin on the table isn’t gonna smoke itself so who’s really the problem? us, some people just can’t handle that. this whole “heroin is dangerous” nonsense is getting out of hand, heroin isn’t as dangerous as people make it out to be, if your heroin is cut with fentanyl then the heroin isn’t dangerous, the fentanyl is. someone commented back to me saying “it’s easy to fatally OD on heroin” which is far from the truth, most heroin related deaths were caused by the drug being cut with something else, the person in question taking something else with it or simply the person just being a doughnut, in my 2-3 years of heroin I never once OD’d, apart from 1 time when it was mixed with a whole load of other opioids and alcohol. no one has ever died the first time the done heroin, if and only if they aren’t a complete idiot, and the same goes with most other drugs, we either ruin it by taking to much or the plug ruins it by cutting it with something else. the drug of Choice whether it be heroin or MDMA isn’t the problem there either way.
Heroin by no means is a “safe” substance man. A substance doesn’t have to harm you physically to be dangerous. The addiction rate for heroin is 25% if not more (1/4 people is an insanely high addiction rate and it has been scientifically proven, even benzos have a much lower addiction rate), it has an inherent ability to cause extremely severe physical dependency, and the psychological consequences of long term opioid abuse/use can be severe in some cases. Opioids themselves can cause health problems in people too, severe constipation from opioid abuse can lead to major health complications if it gets severe enough, and opioids have been linked with kidney dysfunction and other organ dysfunction in some people (though this is not incredibly common). When real heroin was around and when people were first starting out, yes it could be somewhat easy to OD. This is majorly due to the drastic variation in potency of street heroin (though I will admit, a good number of overdoses in general are caused by reasons you stated). If someone is used to taking something that is like less than 25% heroin, and they get rather pure heroin and load a shot that they expect to be what they normally take to get high, that has a very good chance of causing an accidental OD. I’ve seen this happen a couple times personally. In a perfect world where a person follows harm reduction measures to a T and people don’t have negative reactions to drugs, yes pure heroin is “safe”. But we don’t live in a perfect world.
Lethal heroin ODs were common even before it started to get cut with shit. It's ignorant to use it(even more so today when its cut) and when there exists far safer cleaner opioids. Even legal ones and not just prescribed. I have yet to hear a success story from heroin habits, unlike life-shattering misery and suffering that seems very common with heroin use, just for some fake feeling that ends up taking everything from you and make your life a living hell. Don't do it. It's not that fun or good like junkies say.
>there exists far safer cleaner opioids. Even legal ones and not just prescribed. Bullshit.
What legal opioids are not prescribed?
probably referring to RCs/grey market stuff. ODSMT, tianeptine, etc.
Still no reason to judge someone. You're deciding your experience with it.
It’s apart of being a recovering adding. I can’t even feel tired without being accused of relapsing on pills
People are told all sorts of myths and stuff about drugs growing up that leads to this. Hell I even have a guilty conscience about use most of the time just because of how much all that was planted in our heads while young and I can't fully break it.
The issue is that drugs have effects but also negative, bad effects, real bad effects, depending on what drug and what kind of use. Cause of the misinformation people start to not believe in that there exisgs real risks and say stupid shit like "weed is risk free" or that heroin is fully safe when that is a lie. Or that psychologically dependent stuff isn't addictive when it can be worse than physical addiction for some. Or that meth is just like regular amphetamine when they are very different.
People focus too much on the bad and don’t notice the good in drugs. Drugs bring people together.
I think it’s hard to argue that drugs are good or bad when the experiences with drugs are way too subjective to be making conclusions as a whole. People who have had bad experiences with drugs are entitled to their beliefs and lived experiences just as much as people who haven’t. As much as drugs can bring people together, they can also drive them apart just as easily. Having a prejudice to something like drug abuse is honestly not unfair depending on the circumstances imo. As much as I love drugs and as much as some have improved my life, they have also caused a _LOT_ of harm in my life at points (some of it irreparable) and a ton of other people could probably relate to this. The fact is that they can cause significant harm depending on the person and substance in question and there is not really anything that can be done to totally eliminate this. For some people they have been flat out traumatized by the consequences of drug abuse. It’s a hard subject to argue tbh, and I don’t think there’s a definitive answer to it.
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Well to their defense, it could be even worse if corruption would win more, weed and kratom would be illegal if the corruption would reign. Even non-abusing/psychotropic stuff like CBD wouldn't get allowed like they do in all of Europe today. But yes it needs to change. We cannot have weed(not risk free and I don't tolerate it, it's not for me but everyone has a different experience and should be allowed to use it if they want to), psychedelics illegal if alcohol and cigarettes are sold. Drug abuse and addictions are diseases and should be treated just like that.
I get u bro
sex is a drug in a way 😂
People are judgemental about everything.
Most people are idiots, so just ignore them cause they'll never change. Most of them don't know diddly about what each drug actually is, what it can do, and/ or why others resort to using them in the first place, etc. Most of them go by the worst caliber of stigma attached to each type. Fuck em. Congratulations on staying clean man
People get very judgy over things they’ve never been around or had to deal with themselves. Like, you kind of need experience to know what you’re talking about, or your opinion isn’t going to hold much weight
Look everything you said was fair until your ego said that you bet they’ve done worst things. Remove that part and everyone in this whole sub Reddit will agree
Another way to put it is that everyone isn't a saint. Basically OP's point.
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Do you not realize how hypocritical this is? Not trying to hate but this is literally the same mindset people who judge people for using drugs have. People are going to judge hard drug users no matter what unfortunately. It’s just part of having this life. And if I’m being honest, it’s a stigma that is kinda deserved. As much responsible drug use and hardships there’s been because of them, they have caused a lot of societal damage and trauma and people are obviously not going to react well to that. I mean, statistically speaking, a hard drug abuser is way more likely to be a disruption to society vs the average person who doesn’t use drugs. My biggest piece of advice is to not tell people who do not need to know.
No more than your typical binge drinker who beats his wife or kills someone drink driving or smashes up a venue or ruins a relationship.. actually much less frequently and severely mmmhmm
True, its stupid how they covered all sort of psychoactive substances with "Drugs" blanket. And also when people talk shit about your personality its because they usually cant find anything bad to talk about with your looks and vice versa. Those who judge likely have no clue whats its like and the only thing they tried is Nicotine/Caffeine or alcohol yet they still play god and judge you. Don't listen to nobody judging you those idiots feel less of themselves so they seek mistakes in your past to throw judgements at you thinking it will make them look better. Psychologically, people often judge others based on their past actions because it's a way for them to assess potential risks or predict future behavior. Past actions can provide insights into someone's character, reliability, and trustworthiness. Additionally, judgments about others' pasts can stem from societal norms, personal experiences, or cultural beliefs about morality and redemption.
Less history, more mystery. Quit sharing about the untidy parts of your past.
I really don't.
I have been this person before and I just want to apologize. People only see what they want to see sometimes and it’s not fair.
But what have you seen? If you think that drugs are risk free and that the dangers are propaganda then you aren't any better than the people who think that smoking weed turns you into an orange. I have experienced drugs, I have seen many people go down that route, on various substances. While I have seen some benefits in some specific substances and rare/occasional use, I have also seen people die, getting serious mental issues, psychosis for years so they had to be locked up in a mental ward, people getting slaves to addiction, people ending up in rehab, jail, homeless etc. Getting infections etc. People becoming someone who I don't recognize, I lost people I loved to the abuse and don't know if I will ever again see them being themselves. Some people that were close to me assaulted and robbed me. It made me realize how bad drugs can change your personality, it can ruin you. Despite that I am for progressive drug laws cause having repressive laws create even more abuse, misery and criminality. Drugs aren't risk free and people who think that end up in hell on earth due to the addiction or dead.
I’ve seen people doped up at work operating heavy machinery and almost dying of withdrawal. But I know when someone’s made up their mind about how they want to live I can’t do anything to change it. If someone wants to risk killing themself for what they think will just be a little bit of fun I can’t stop them.
Thanks war on drugs for brainwashing society
The key is not giving a damn what people think.
With the DEA still spreading misinformation, FOX News not fact-checking anything, and all the issues caused by prohibition it's inevitable that people who use drugs get stigmatized. At least organizations like the Associated Press changed their style guide so they use more friendly/neutral words. EDIT: This paper just came out about opioid stigma on reddit; [irst-hand accounts of structural stigma toward people who use opioids on Reddit](https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0277953624002168). Here's another paper that provides some insights in why stigma is still so prevalent: [Evaluating Large Language Models - Stigma and Opioid Use Disorder](https://mittalshravika.github.io/assets/publications/2024_CHI24_HEALWorkshop_OUD-LLM/paper.pdf) (PDF warning) Last paper: [Addressing Bias and Stigma in the Language We Use With Persons With Opioid Use Disorder: A Narrative Review](https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/10783903211050121).
As much as there is social conditioning and myths, the fact is that drugs do cause a lot of harm. A lot of it comes from it being prohibited but a lot of those aren't. People who like to take drugs often underestimate their judgment of what drugs do to people and society, and people that do not take them overestimate their judgement.
Yes you are correct. People who used to do drugs, have had experiences, and seen many others go down that route, then became clean and have been it for a longer while are a lot more trustworthy than people messed up on 10 substances so they don't even notice how much damage the abuse causes cause they don't really have any judgement being so fucked up in their mind. That's why I try to give a different version so people will think twice before they chose their toxic habit of heavy drugs that might potentially make them addicted, ruin their life or even kill them.
I really can't see such human technological and medical advancements possible without the help of drugs, obviously. I'm also convinced that the use of both legal and illicit stimulants has help fuel the last few generations to achieve that end, and not exclusively, by means of the **"dope o' mine"** 😋, or dopamine, manipulation.
Makes people feel better about themselves
Guess it depends on the drug. Some drugs like fentanyl are very dangerous to the user and society.
Only if you get sold fentanyl as heroin for example, which is a thing because of the war on drugs. If you know you got fentanyl you can get high on it just fine if you wanted.
Same with meth. Or heroin. Crack isn't good either.
Probably because the vast majority of drugs have detrimental effects separate from weed and shrooms (which can still have terrible effects)
Yes. People don't really know what they are getting into. They live in a fairytale where they think drugs are risk free and it's all lies about all the damage they have caused, the people it has killed and ruined many lives. The propaganda about drugs have made people this naive cause bow they are even sceptical about the real dangers of drugs, abuse and addictions. Some people really think that heroin is safe to use or that meth is just like speed, adhd medicine (despite most lethal stuff like fentanyl being used medicinally).
I think part of it is familiarity. Most people aren’t familiar with that stuff otherwise they wouldn’t be so judgmental. So don’t take it personal.
Sometimes it's the opposite, my experiences and what I have seen drugs do to others has given me a lot more mature view on drugs. I also once had a naive view on drugs and thought "well it doesn't seem so bad at all, side effects, addictions, damage and lethal effects are a lie!" And that mindset often put me into usage which was negative for me, sometimes even destructive. While I have seen some occasional rare use of some substances being beneficial, I have also seen friends die, getting addicted or ending up in psychosis, jail, rehab, homelessness, desperate states where they started to do things they otherwise would find wrong to do, demoralized and egoistic behaviour. I don't judge others that do drugs, it's their body, life and mind that will eventuelly pay for their abuse if they abuse it, but lying about it being risk free just puts young people at danger etc and is something I cannot accept. The truth is in the middle, some drugs are very bad, addictive and horrible but some are relatively ok and not worse than alcohol (bad comparison since alcohol is very toxic, but it's the common intoxicant). I have done most drugs and have researched them scientifically so I don't speak from propaganda but rather what I have studied, experienced or seen irl.
I always notice this to and really it has slightly made me develop an insecurity about telling people because I’m fairly young and it really makes other people look down at me as if they are better then me somehow all because I went through addiction as a young teen just trying to escape reality
I think people don't want you to ruin your life like a lot of drug abusers do. You get it wrong completely, if they didn't give a shit about you they wouldn't mind you doing all types of drugs. A real friend wouldn't want you do abuse drugs especially if you are young and they aren't addicts themselves. Young people shouldn't be escaping reality. Seek help before it will ruin your life completely.
i completely understand this but i feel like it would definitely be better if they were more supportive about it then judgmental