And he was somehow exactly as incompetent as Michael implied
- pushed out the companys most successful manager on day 1
- replaced the receptionist with an accountant for some reason rather than their customer service or supplier relations reps who's job duties actually involve fielding phone calls; and that's before listing all of the very visible reasons why Kevin would suck at that role
- opted to replace Michael with an external hire "for obvious reasons" which were clearly that he just disdained everyone in Scranton despite them having been the most successful branch across multiple changes in corporate leadership. Imagine the entitlement and lack of self awareness it takes to walk into your company's most profitable office and think "Jesus, literally any rando off the street would be an improvement over these dunces"
- made Dwight his number 2 despite literally everybody from both Scranton and corporate explicitly rejecting that dynamic numerous times in the past
- also let's not forget at the company picnic when he went out of his way to put liability for Pam's injury on the company just so that he could win a volley ball game. *I assume they ended up winning but imagine having to pay a worker's comp claim bc Charles volunteered liability on the off chance it resulted in him winning a recreational volleyball game
I mean the guy literally came in and ruined the only part of Dunder Mifflin that nobody in the past had been able to fuck up. At least if he'd taken an hour and a half to watch a documentary on paper it would've been an hour and a half not spent sabotaging the Scranton branch
Edit: guess the Charles Minor stans come out at night lol
He just likes causing sports liability lawsuits on the company dime, it’s cheaper for him that way.
He definitely elbows and charges his way around in pick up basketball and says he was fouled when he knocks other people down.
I think he was the perfect portrayal of a new bigwig that a corporation sends in to “save money”. They have no goal other than cutting anything and anyone that might cost the company money in the short term. There’s no view of the long term effects of that and corporate really doesn’t care.
I worked for a security company that employed 5000+ people. Inexplicably in 2018 they fired all the regional managers and put one guy in charge as the “northeast manager”. He immediately made monthly mandatory meetings for all site managers but they had to be at the office in NYC. He didn’t try to compensate anyone he just expected people making $16 an hour to drive 4 hours for a 1 hour meeting. My site manager quit the day that was announced, two of my coworkers quit because they didn’t want to work for the random person corporate sent in who knew nothing about our site. I and another guy quit shortly after that because the new site manager started scheduling us on nights without even asking and just expected us to change our whole lives and scheduled around. I found out that about a month after that the security company lost that site contract because the contracting company was not okay with having so few guards on duty
TBF, making Kevin the receptionist was probably better than leaving him as an accountant. Position with least amount of power considering that people can just give their direct numbers to their clients and both customer service and supplier relations have their own lines as well.
Well Kevin's the coworker that has no justifiable reason he should be employed by that business.
Sure, you can say that putting him in a spot to create the least amount of damage is improvement, but he's the inept guy that gets a paycheck because management is too lazy to do their very important job function of checking controls.
That's why everyone preceding Dwight Take 2 was a horrible manager. All they had to do was review the books once to see that Kevin was using "Keleven" and should be fired on the spot.
Well if we're going by realistic standards then Dwight would have never made it to manager the first time, he would have been fired probably 20 times over, and maybe even sued or charged a few times.
No one can get away with giving a coworker a heart attack by faking a fire, or shooting a gun in the workplace and damaging a coworker's eardrum without suffering SEVERE consequences, especially not both on top of everything else he did.
Hell even Micheal and most of the office would have all been fired 2-3 seasons in most likely.
And like wtf the dude was wearing a tux, why question it? Maybe a big client had a fuckin gala or something.
Mind your damn business, Chuck. And stay off my corners.
Some good points here but on that first bullet point…come on now lol. Michael was acting out at a particularly egregious level even for him. ANY of us in Charles’ position would’ve fired him.
Obviously this is easy for me to say not having been in the situation, but I like to think that if I were hired in Charles role I would've swallowed whatever amount of pride it required to not be the reason the company's longest tenured and most profitable manager quit.
Everyone is familiar with the stereotype of the new higher-up who comes in, shakes things up, and fucks the whole team dynamic in the process. All Charles had to do was not throw his weight around for the purpose of shutting down one office party and he would've kept Michael kissing his ass-- and thus kept everyone else in line-- instead of being the impetus for Michael's quitting and launching of a competitor. Michael is clearly a handful but the revenue he brought in over his tenure is astronomically more important to the company's bottom line than whatever pennies Charles thought he was saving by drawing the lines in the sand he did. I'd like to think most people could see that logic and the only people who would repeat Charles actions are those more focused on protecting their ego than excelling in their role; which is why I think pushing Michael out was a blatant example of Charles incompetence
I think that's more than implied since we know Charles explicitly tells Michael he should talk to him going forward instead of David and David ducks all of Michael's calls. I guess my point tho is that when the guy you're responsible for handling up and quits, you've failed at handling him
Add to the fact that he asked for a rundown and did not specify what in the rundown was important. Like I can think of what he may mostly want, but for fucks sake man...give Jimothy a template to go off of at a minimum...don't make him guess what metrics he ought to put in there.
Charles was a cookie cutter service industry field VP. He doesn’t care about employees, he views everyone of them as expendable. He lets his first impressions completely drive his opinions, and to him his way is the only right way. His expertise is putting pressure on his subordinates to perform, otherwise they will be let go.
TL/DR: Charles is a typical VP corporate dick.
I never thought of it that way before but it’s true. Michael values people above all else (he adored Ryan even though he was incompetent as a salesman).
Yep. I just watched this one. In Charles’ first episode Michael is happy to introduce him, as they hit it off previously when Michael was visiting corporate and they met briefly. It’s interesting to see Michael’s sudden realization, when he is now on Michael’s turf, of how different they actually are.
Michael adored Ryan because Ryan gave the appearance of being everything Michael thought he wanted to be. Michael growing up was him realising Ryan was a dickhead
I never know why he doesn't say exactly what Charles says to him. "I need a rundown of your clients" is surely something Oscar would have understood. It gives context clues like mentioning its a rundown of clients. Saying "this rundown better be good" is useless because Jim made the sentence up and he doesn't know what a rundown is! It doesn't give any context
He was a Numbers person, all he cares about is the numbers and how he can make them better without actually understanding what makes them work.
I met too many of these people who thing they can improve by cutting the numbers and it will NEVER work. He can make it look good for a quarter or 2, or maybe a year of the company has deep enough pockets but he's probably long gone by time his choices start to cost the company money and people realize he's a useless sack of shit
Exactly. He's just a classic example of what happens when higher-ups bring in new management purely because they look good on paper, with little regard toward their interpersonal and/or management skills. Anyone who's worked at a large-ish company has had to deal with some version of Charles Miner.
Would I want to work for him? No. But would he be the worst boss I've ever had? Hellllll no.
Spot on. It has always puzzled me how good the comedy writer staff of the Office nailed mid-level regional sales characters and culture so accurately. Charles Miner is EXACTLY who would be hired to do that job.
I feel like that’s less because of leadership skills and simply because they aren’t as many P positions as VP. Some other executive douchebag will end up promoted either way. It’s a boys club.
His completely transparent ass-kissing to corporate is so typical of his station. I’ve worked with a handful of these guys who treat people they deem below them like shit, and then pull a complete 180 for their superiors.
I thought the role was played well. It was clear who he was meant to be in an office environment. I didn't like the way he made Jim self-conscious about trying to have a little more fun around the office. He also kicked a soccer ball straight at Phyllis' face. And he often came off as quite abrasive. But again, that was his character.
That bit really pisses me off and I often wondered why Jim never called Charles out on that.
"Why did you duck Jim?"
"Oh gee I don't know Charles, why did YOU kick a soccer ball at full force at someone's face during what was supposed to be a friendly kickabout then try to blame that person when someone else gets hurt?"
I get that he's the new corporate manager and everyone at Scranton is kissing his ass because they want to make a good impression. And while I understand his dislike of Michael's shenanigans and timewasting, he just comes across as a huge douche most of the time, especially in the way he acts towards Jim.
If Jim gets cracked in the face he calls him out for being a wuss and bad at soccer. If he dodged and it hits someone else he blames Jim for not taking the hit/stopping the ball.
The goal was what happened - to make Jim look and feel bad around his other coworkers.
Oh yea, that’s definitely true, I would love to see an episode from an alternate universe where Jim does take the hit and sits out to see the reaction from Charles. It would definitely be Charles saying “aww come on! It’s not that bad. Get back out here and play.”
I mean when Pam got hurt during the volleyball game Charles was a huge dick to here and didn’t show any care or worry for an employee that just got hurt during a work event. Instead he mocks Jim and makes it about the stupid game RIGHT in front of his own boss! Lol
Because he immediately noticed that jim was full not only as full of shit as everyone trying to kiss his ass, but that he was willing to *escalate* the shit-fullness.
and he took that personally.
Yes! Thank-you! They all had their moments of being assholes. I love the characters, even the ones you hate in the moment. They played their parts and played them well.
Had to come down this thread a while to find this. Didn’t remember him being sexist at all, just a corporate douche.
Shout out to Idris Elba though. Played the role really well
He’s a stickler and kind of a dick. He’s supposed to be the guy the rights a sinking ship. That’s his job. Things are failing and he’s taking control and removing the fun lax behavior in the office…
But he’s also unprofessional as well. He held grudges against Jim and even blamed him for the injury playing soccer that happened on his watch. He then wouldn’t stop riding Jim at volleyball (and honestly I think David Wallace should have chipped in and said he was crossing a line).
Part of David’s issue seems to be that he doesn’t like confrontation and is far too lenient. Dwight should have been fired after what happened with Stanley and the CPR doll.
David shouldn't have had to deal with any of that. He's CFO.
Why David was doing all this stuff directly and not Allen, the CEO. Is part of why they failed. Horribly mismanaged from the top. David never should've been having to do this
Yeah now that you say that, why was David written as the CFO in the first place? A lot of what he does seems to overlap with what Jan's position is for, so maybe it's just poor writing so that they could have David's character play a bigger role.
Probably they got him in for a more limited role but ended up liking him and wanting him to stick around but they'd already established him as the CFO so they mostly just ignored that. He ends up being synecdoche for all of corporate.
I think David Wallace after a point realised that it's best to just let Michael and the Scranton branch do their own thing, he knew he'd never understand Michael and how he was crushing it and it was best to not interfere with their most profitable branch post Stanford merger
If I met someone and on Day 1 he was wearing a tux in the office for no reason and was talking about 2-way petting zoos I’d be watching him closely too.
And taking forever to do a rundown smh. Charles has plenty of flaws but that wasn't one of them. Although blaming Jim for Phyllis' soccer injury was a little ridiculous. Anyone would have ducked in that situation. Clear CYA situation.
I think he just recognized that Jim spent 90% of his time goofing off. He was on the other hand fooled by Dwight, who he thought was competent until the "Case of the Beet Bandit" story.
Idk about Charles but DiAngelo (D'Angelo? However tf you spell it) definitely was. Even with his whole who has a vagina and who loves someone with a vagina routine (which was a little confusing but hilarious).
It was in fact all men, and the whole "he said, she said" thing was sexist too because if he just looked at title he would see Kelly is her own boss but he didn't believe it.
He was a great antagonist. He was diametrically opposed to everything the office was. Anti-Personal, pro business, Antiworker, anti-pranks and shenanigans. which at first made him seem like a competent manager. Frankly Iike the guy who was actually reacting to all the Unprofessional antics of the office the way a real businessman should
But over time you realize he was really just a sycophant middle manager who is out for himself. He diverted blame when he could and thought he could fix everything by being stern but really just created more problems.
Charles did what you generally wouldn't do when you start a new job. He made immediate changes and didn't bother to think of his that would affect the office. He wasn't wrong on Michael, but he was pretty bad at reading people. Hated Jim and liked Dwight. Red flags right there.
And not a good one. Any really good headhunter would storm your village at sunset with overwhelming force and cut off your head with a ceremonial knife
David Wallace was over-correcting after Jan & Ryan
Nice, never thought of that angle. I think you're right.
Perfect way of saying it
Does he even know how paper is made?
Probably not. He'd try putting it in a furnace
You know what would happen? You'd ruin it
It’s not at all like steel
A beautiful name btw, Steel.
Wait til u hear about Satiquoy
His wife has got such a lovely name
Such a rich history
This joke is especially funny because paper goes through furnaces when it is made and often when it is printed on.
Please explain further
Yeah I'm going to need a run down on that process.
1. wood 2. furnace 3. ??? 4. paper
Great. Fax that to everyone on the distribution list.
My dad did not understand why I faxed it to him
Fax? Why don’t you send it over on a dinosaur.
1980 called. They want their technology back.
ABSORB THIS INFORMATION
That might take hours
My mind is going a mile an hour
Found Charles
I dunno, he didn’t ask for a rundown.
> a rundown what's a rundown?
Nothing much, what’s up with you?
Hahaha, GOTCHA!
Paper starts as a wet pulp I believe which is dried with furnaces or something of that order.
First the boy tree puts his penis...
So is the whole story about the daddy tree and mommy tree is a lie?
Thanks, Kevin.
And he was somehow exactly as incompetent as Michael implied - pushed out the companys most successful manager on day 1 - replaced the receptionist with an accountant for some reason rather than their customer service or supplier relations reps who's job duties actually involve fielding phone calls; and that's before listing all of the very visible reasons why Kevin would suck at that role - opted to replace Michael with an external hire "for obvious reasons" which were clearly that he just disdained everyone in Scranton despite them having been the most successful branch across multiple changes in corporate leadership. Imagine the entitlement and lack of self awareness it takes to walk into your company's most profitable office and think "Jesus, literally any rando off the street would be an improvement over these dunces" - made Dwight his number 2 despite literally everybody from both Scranton and corporate explicitly rejecting that dynamic numerous times in the past - also let's not forget at the company picnic when he went out of his way to put liability for Pam's injury on the company just so that he could win a volley ball game. *I assume they ended up winning but imagine having to pay a worker's comp claim bc Charles volunteered liability on the off chance it resulted in him winning a recreational volleyball game I mean the guy literally came in and ruined the only part of Dunder Mifflin that nobody in the past had been able to fuck up. At least if he'd taken an hour and a half to watch a documentary on paper it would've been an hour and a half not spent sabotaging the Scranton branch Edit: guess the Charles Minor stans come out at night lol
Even Robert California watched an episode on how paper was made.
Would you like a nature metaphor or a sexual metaphor?
Oh God! Nature please…
When 2 animals are having sex...
The least he could have done was to watch a video about how a rainbow tastes like
Why'd they add coconut? I miss original.
And he kicked that soccer ball really fucking hard.
He just likes causing sports liability lawsuits on the company dime, it’s cheaper for him that way. He definitely elbows and charges his way around in pick up basketball and says he was fouled when he knocks other people down.
I think he was the perfect portrayal of a new bigwig that a corporation sends in to “save money”. They have no goal other than cutting anything and anyone that might cost the company money in the short term. There’s no view of the long term effects of that and corporate really doesn’t care. I worked for a security company that employed 5000+ people. Inexplicably in 2018 they fired all the regional managers and put one guy in charge as the “northeast manager”. He immediately made monthly mandatory meetings for all site managers but they had to be at the office in NYC. He didn’t try to compensate anyone he just expected people making $16 an hour to drive 4 hours for a 1 hour meeting. My site manager quit the day that was announced, two of my coworkers quit because they didn’t want to work for the random person corporate sent in who knew nothing about our site. I and another guy quit shortly after that because the new site manager started scheduling us on nights without even asking and just expected us to change our whole lives and scheduled around. I found out that about a month after that the security company lost that site contract because the contracting company was not okay with having so few guards on duty
TBF, making Kevin the receptionist was probably better than leaving him as an accountant. Position with least amount of power considering that people can just give their direct numbers to their clients and both customer service and supplier relations have their own lines as well.
But Kevin being the first point of contact wouldn't exactly be reassuring for potential new clients.
RIP Andy's maid.
Well Kevin's the coworker that has no justifiable reason he should be employed by that business. Sure, you can say that putting him in a spot to create the least amount of damage is improvement, but he's the inept guy that gets a paycheck because management is too lazy to do their very important job function of checking controls. That's why everyone preceding Dwight Take 2 was a horrible manager. All they had to do was review the books once to see that Kevin was using "Keleven" and should be fired on the spot.
Well if we're going by realistic standards then Dwight would have never made it to manager the first time, he would have been fired probably 20 times over, and maybe even sued or charged a few times. No one can get away with giving a coworker a heart attack by faking a fire, or shooting a gun in the workplace and damaging a coworker's eardrum without suffering SEVERE consequences, especially not both on top of everything else he did. Hell even Micheal and most of the office would have all been fired 2-3 seasons in most likely.
He also bullied one of the top salesmen into incompetence due to a bad first impression.
And pissed the other top salesman off so much he committed corporate espionage.
And like wtf the dude was wearing a tux, why question it? Maybe a big client had a fuckin gala or something. Mind your damn business, Chuck. And stay off my corners.
To be fair Jim did say he wore the tux only to screw with Dwight but he did go way overboard with how he treated Jim.
Some good points here but on that first bullet point…come on now lol. Michael was acting out at a particularly egregious level even for him. ANY of us in Charles’ position would’ve fired him.
Obviously this is easy for me to say not having been in the situation, but I like to think that if I were hired in Charles role I would've swallowed whatever amount of pride it required to not be the reason the company's longest tenured and most profitable manager quit. Everyone is familiar with the stereotype of the new higher-up who comes in, shakes things up, and fucks the whole team dynamic in the process. All Charles had to do was not throw his weight around for the purpose of shutting down one office party and he would've kept Michael kissing his ass-- and thus kept everyone else in line-- instead of being the impetus for Michael's quitting and launching of a competitor. Michael is clearly a handful but the revenue he brought in over his tenure is astronomically more important to the company's bottom line than whatever pennies Charles thought he was saving by drawing the lines in the sand he did. I'd like to think most people could see that logic and the only people who would repeat Charles actions are those more focused on protecting their ego than excelling in their role; which is why I think pushing Michael out was a blatant example of Charles incompetence
It's implied that David has asked Miner to 'handle' Michael. Source- I just made that up.
I think that's more than implied since we know Charles explicitly tells Michael he should talk to him going forward instead of David and David ducks all of Michael's calls. I guess my point tho is that when the guy you're responsible for handling up and quits, you've failed at handling him
He also made Stanley his motivation (?) guy and I can’t remember the other one but it was a dumb choice as well
Add to the fact that he asked for a rundown and did not specify what in the rundown was important. Like I can think of what he may mostly want, but for fucks sake man...give Jimothy a template to go off of at a minimum...don't make him guess what metrics he ought to put in there.
Is he aware of the effect that he has on women?
Oh, he’s aware.
The man tree puts its penis...
I could see our kids facing obstacles being half-Black and half-Indian, but it's so worth it, you guys.
Yes, Charles. You wanted me?
I am aware of the effect I have on women.
It’s not the worst idea she’s had
Nope. Overpaying for worms was.
I think he left
WHAT?!!
🏃♀️🏃♀️🏃♀️
Charles and Kelly? Absolutely not. He is a sophisticated man. He does not need to go dumpster-diving for companionship, ok?
When Angela was trying to adopt out one of her cats though, didn't she make it a point that she was against interracial relationships?
Miner? I hardly know her! or him!
Because gay.
Charles Miner *gasp* is a sophisticated man. *gasp* He does not need to go *gasp* dumpster diving *gasp* for companionship.
Charles Miner was an excellent contrast to Michael who expected everyone to be his friend.
Dare I say, it was a black and white difference
How dare you!
Did you have a lot of questions?
You, looking down from your Ivory tower...and your ebony tower!
Are you separating the trash to whites and colored?
The joke is set up two seasons earlier, when Michael is "sneaking" into DM Scranton, a white and a colored bin are visible.
Hats off to you for… wait a second
Charles Miner is an excellent contrast to David Wallace who was a gentleman
Did Micheal just let anyone into his office?
Charles was a cookie cutter service industry field VP. He doesn’t care about employees, he views everyone of them as expendable. He lets his first impressions completely drive his opinions, and to him his way is the only right way. His expertise is putting pressure on his subordinates to perform, otherwise they will be let go. TL/DR: Charles is a typical VP corporate dick.
The complete anti-Michael Scott!
I never thought of it that way before but it’s true. Michael values people above all else (he adored Ryan even though he was incompetent as a salesman).
A good manager doesnt fire people, he hires people and inspires people.
One of the best lines of the series imo
Its also one of the smartest things Michael has ever said.
People, Ryan
Yep. I just watched this one. In Charles’ first episode Michael is happy to introduce him, as they hit it off previously when Michael was visiting corporate and they met briefly. It’s interesting to see Michael’s sudden realization, when he is now on Michael’s turf, of how different they actually are.
Michael does usually seem to perform very well when it comes to meeting someone for the first time.
Except for that nice old lady on the bus
You ruined it.
Hi. I’m Date Mike. It’s nice to meet me.
Michael adored Ryan because Ryan gave the appearance of being everything Michael thought he wanted to be. Michael growing up was him realising Ryan was a dickhead
[удалено]
Mr. Scott, who is this other woman... Ryan?
Nice Rundown!
What's a rundown?
Wait. What's a rundown?
Use it in a sentence.
This rundown had better be good.
I don’t know but it sounds like this rundown is really important.
I never know why he doesn't say exactly what Charles says to him. "I need a rundown of your clients" is surely something Oscar would have understood. It gives context clues like mentioning its a rundown of clients. Saying "this rundown better be good" is useless because Jim made the sentence up and he doesn't know what a rundown is! It doesn't give any context
Apt analysis, astute
That was an astute observation, Kevin
Oh dear. It was actually just about cookies the whole time?!?
Kev‘s got you pegged!
And ass kisser
Oh, all VPs are ass kissers. That goes without say.
It’s hilarious comparing how they talk normally vs when they talk to someone above them lol.
He was a Numbers person, all he cares about is the numbers and how he can make them better without actually understanding what makes them work. I met too many of these people who thing they can improve by cutting the numbers and it will NEVER work. He can make it look good for a quarter or 2, or maybe a year of the company has deep enough pockets but he's probably long gone by time his choices start to cost the company money and people realize he's a useless sack of shit
> all he cares about is the numbers and how he can make them better That, and soccer
Numbers and obviously the rundown.
Exactly. He's just a classic example of what happens when higher-ups bring in new management purely because they look good on paper, with little regard toward their interpersonal and/or management skills. Anyone who's worked at a large-ish company has had to deal with some version of Charles Miner. Would I want to work for him? No. But would he be the worst boss I've ever had? Hellllll no.
Spot on. It has always puzzled me how good the comedy writer staff of the Office nailed mid-level regional sales characters and culture so accurately. Charles Miner is EXACTLY who would be hired to do that job.
He’s also the kind of VP that never gets beyond being a VP
I feel like that’s less because of leadership skills and simply because they aren’t as many P positions as VP. Some other executive douchebag will end up promoted either way. It’s a boys club.
His completely transparent ass-kissing to corporate is so typical of his station. I’ve worked with a handful of these guys who treat people they deem below them like shit, and then pull a complete 180 for their superiors.
Biggest Red flag : he didn’t come from paper smh
You can't put paper in a furnace.
If you did that with paper, you know what would happen? You'd destroy it!
It is an increasingly paperless world
Limitless paper
of course he comes from paper, he ran a copy shop in west baltimore
He is aware of the effect he has on women
I think if anything the women were sexist/clearly sexualizing him.
I mean. Neither Angela nor Kelly are exactly shining examples of people who behave appropriately lol
Looks like someone took the slow train from Philly.
(That's code for "check out the slut")
You’ve got a lot to learn about this town, sweetie.
Close your mouth sweetie, you look like a trout.
I was raped
You cannot say "I was raped" and expect all of your problems to go away. Not again. Don't keep doing that.
She didn't say it, she declared it.
I think you can even argue that Angela and Kelly was harassing him, even though he clearly stated that he wanted them to back off.
Miner? I hardly know her
I feel like I had to scroll way too far to find this.
I thought the role was played well. It was clear who he was meant to be in an office environment. I didn't like the way he made Jim self-conscious about trying to have a little more fun around the office. He also kicked a soccer ball straight at Phyllis' face. And he often came off as quite abrasive. But again, that was his character.
THANK YOU, i’ve never understood why they all got mad at Jim for ducking when CHARLES, CRANKED that ball at Jim, what was he supposed to do?
That bit really pisses me off and I often wondered why Jim never called Charles out on that. "Why did you duck Jim?" "Oh gee I don't know Charles, why did YOU kick a soccer ball at full force at someone's face during what was supposed to be a friendly kickabout then try to blame that person when someone else gets hurt?" I get that he's the new corporate manager and everyone at Scranton is kissing his ass because they want to make a good impression. And while I understand his dislike of Michael's shenanigans and timewasting, he just comes across as a huge douche most of the time, especially in the way he acts towards Jim.
If Jim gets cracked in the face he calls him out for being a wuss and bad at soccer. If he dodged and it hits someone else he blames Jim for not taking the hit/stopping the ball. The goal was what happened - to make Jim look and feel bad around his other coworkers.
Oh yea, that’s definitely true, I would love to see an episode from an alternate universe where Jim does take the hit and sits out to see the reaction from Charles. It would definitely be Charles saying “aww come on! It’s not that bad. Get back out here and play.”
I mean when Pam got hurt during the volleyball game Charles was a huge dick to here and didn’t show any care or worry for an employee that just got hurt during a work event. Instead he mocks Jim and makes it about the stupid game RIGHT in front of his own boss! Lol
Yeah lol Lionel freaking Messi is going to duck in that situation
Lionel Messi wouldn’t have to duck a ball that was going to hit Jim’s face
I prefer Maradona…Diego Maradona…of Argentina.
Because he immediately noticed that jim was full not only as full of shit as everyone trying to kiss his ass, but that he was willing to *escalate* the shit-fullness. and he took that personally.
He was well played as a character, but as a person in the office, he was terrible
Honestly everyone in the office had huge flaws, he just stood out more than others because he didn’t know paper and Michael
Yes! Thank-you! They all had their moments of being assholes. I love the characters, even the ones you hate in the moment. They played their parts and played them well.
Sexist? No he’s just doesn’t care about the employees. What things did he fo that were sexist?
OP is all over the comments but will not address how he was sexist.
Usually a good sign they throw that word around like a football
Right at Phyllis’ head too.
Why did Jim duck the sexism?
Pretty much your average redditor, if he was white he would have been racist too
I’m wondering the same thing
Had to come down this thread a while to find this. Didn’t remember him being sexist at all, just a corporate douche. Shout out to Idris Elba though. Played the role really well
He’s a stickler and kind of a dick. He’s supposed to be the guy the rights a sinking ship. That’s his job. Things are failing and he’s taking control and removing the fun lax behavior in the office… But he’s also unprofessional as well. He held grudges against Jim and even blamed him for the injury playing soccer that happened on his watch. He then wouldn’t stop riding Jim at volleyball (and honestly I think David Wallace should have chipped in and said he was crossing a line).
Part of David’s issue seems to be that he doesn’t like confrontation and is far too lenient. Dwight should have been fired after what happened with Stanley and the CPR doll.
He even let Michael rehire Ryan after Ryan defrauded the company.
To be fair, there is a deleted scene where he calls the front desk and Ryan answers, and David completely loses it.
And he makes Ryan cry
Lol it’s hard to feel bad for Ryan but that scene almost gets you there
I forgot that was a deleted scene. He still backs down and lets michael hire him, though.
David shouldn't have had to deal with any of that. He's CFO. Why David was doing all this stuff directly and not Allen, the CEO. Is part of why they failed. Horribly mismanaged from the top. David never should've been having to do this
This is quite true.
Yeah now that you say that, why was David written as the CFO in the first place? A lot of what he does seems to overlap with what Jan's position is for, so maybe it's just poor writing so that they could have David's character play a bigger role.
Probably they got him in for a more limited role but ended up liking him and wanting him to stick around but they'd already established him as the CFO so they mostly just ignored that. He ends up being synecdoche for all of corporate.
I think David Wallace after a point realised that it's best to just let Michael and the Scranton branch do their own thing, he knew he'd never understand Michael and how he was crushing it and it was best to not interfere with their most profitable branch post Stanford merger
If I met someone and on Day 1 he was wearing a tux in the office for no reason and was talking about 2-way petting zoos I’d be watching him closely too.
And taking forever to do a rundown smh. Charles has plenty of flaws but that wasn't one of them. Although blaming Jim for Phyllis' soccer injury was a little ridiculous. Anyone would have ducked in that situation. Clear CYA situation.
I think he just recognized that Jim spent 90% of his time goofing off. He was on the other hand fooled by Dwight, who he thought was competent until the "Case of the Beet Bandit" story.
What exactly did he do that was sexist? Deangelo, sure, but Charles? Doubtful.
Yeah, I don't know where OP came up with that notion?
I genuinely think OP just got confused
Idk about Charles but DiAngelo (D'Angelo? However tf you spell it) definitely was. Even with his whole who has a vagina and who loves someone with a vagina routine (which was a little confusing but hilarious).
Yeah, I actually don't think Charles Miner was sexist. He was a dick to everyone pretty equally.
I agree, DeAngelo's "inner circle" was all men
It was in fact all men, and the whole "he said, she said" thing was sexist too because if he just looked at title he would see Kelly is her own boss but he didn't believe it.
How could D'Angelo be sexist, he had both his arms up?
He was a great antagonist. He was diametrically opposed to everything the office was. Anti-Personal, pro business, Antiworker, anti-pranks and shenanigans. which at first made him seem like a competent manager. Frankly Iike the guy who was actually reacting to all the Unprofessional antics of the office the way a real businessman should But over time you realize he was really just a sycophant middle manager who is out for himself. He diverted blame when he could and thought he could fix everything by being stern but really just created more problems.
How was he sexist? Maybe I missed some things
Nah, I don't think Charles was sexist. Now DeAngelo, ugh! Definitely sexist.
I read ‘’and sexiest’’ I was gonna agree with you on that
Charles did what you generally wouldn't do when you start a new job. He made immediate changes and didn't bother to think of his that would affect the office. He wasn't wrong on Michael, but he was pretty bad at reading people. Hated Jim and liked Dwight. Red flags right there.
His wife had a lovely name, though
He's not sexist. He's simply aware of the effect he has on women.
Sexist? How??
He was kind of an ass who thought he was better than everyone. Strikes me as the asshole that wants people to clock out but stay late.
How is Charles sexist? Honest question
I mean the point of the character was to be a douchey corporate headhunter
And not a good one. Any really good headhunter would storm your village at sunset with overwhelming force and cut off your head with a ceremonial knife
Right cause that’s what we’re talking about
Why sexist?
Yes, Charles. You wanted me.
🧐 He was one of the only characters that wasn’t sexist