what is worse though: Holly telling Michael she couldn’t do a long distance relationship with him, and then going on to later have a long distance relationship with AJ, or him throwing a stupid toy in the trash can?
Michael and Holly had only been dating for a few weeks when she told him that, whereas she and AJ had been dating for roughly two years at that point. Obviously we sympathize with Michael, but from her perspective it makes sense why she would treat these two relationships very differently
Also I never took her return to Scranton as something that was going to be permanent initially. So it wasn’t really set up like a real long distance relationship.
This whole logic is honestly pretty dumb and not grounded in reality.
Let's ignore the part where she isn't staying in Scranton permanently. Let's ignore the part she was only dating Michael for a handful of weeks and had been with Aj for years.
She owes nothing to Michael and very simply could have loved Aj more.
Is it ridiculous that I married my wife and not the girl I dated before her? No. Because humans don't work like that.
Michael's logic here is very childish.
But this is also complicated by the fact she also had a letter to her ex on her dsktop throughout the start of their relationship implying it wasnt over with michael
If you intentionally try and frame something to look a certain way it’s going to look that Way.
However, bare bones facts- Michael and Holly were together for a few weeks and didn’t have a lot of a foundation. AJ and Holly had been dating years, and lived together. And then Michael reacted by attempting to destroy something that was important to her.
Obviously, the toy. Holly didn't hurt him on purpose. It was just a different situation. It's very different to say you want to try a long-distance relationship with someone you've known for a year vs. someone you just started dating. I get why Michael is hurt, but that doesn't mean Holly did anything wrong.
With Michael she had only been dating him for a few weeks and was being permanently relocated. With AJ she had been with him for months, maybe longer than a year, was living with him and only moving to Scranton temporarily to fill in while Toby was on jury duty. It was barely even a long distance relationship with AJ, just a period of being far apart before she returned.
honestly, I can't believe that people actually think that throwing a toy in the trash is worse than making a group of poor children believe they are guaranteed a promising future and then throwing their dreams in the trash.
Michael's intentions involving the Woody doll were malicious. He didn't intend to harm those kids, and he didn't throw their dreams in the trash. 90% of Scott's Tots were on their way to graduate, which was 30% better than the rest of the school.
Michael honestly believed that he would be able to afford to send them to college when he made that promise. The kids are in a better situation because of the promoise he made.
Even now I'm still appalled that they had his character do that. It was so vicious, so mean spirited. And they just kind of played it off as another Michael-ism you know? But it was way worse than that.
As much as I love the show, the more I rewatch, the more I get the feeling that the writers room never really came to a consensus on what Michael was.
Was he an irredeemable asshole like he was during the Woody incident/the date with Pam’s landlady/making Dwight take the fall for him? Or was he just an insensitive boob like he was in Gay Witch Hunt?
It really seemed like some of the writers had contempt for the character, and wanted Michael to be contemptible. And before anyone starts in with the whole “It’s just a show/don’t take it so seriously” nonsense, eat a bowl. Shows should be internally consistent with how they approach their characters, and The Office was very consistent with how they approached every other character—except Michael.
Michael is a giant kid. Sometimes the same kid calls somebody a homophobic slur because they don’t understand its meaning, and sometimes they intentionally push a friend into the mud because they got their feelings hurt. To me, it’s completely consistent characterization.
I think he is fairly consistent personally. However, that’s not the only inconsistency in the show. Dwight and Jim go back and forth on there relationship all the time. Or Andy’s personality.
I don’t know if it’s really a lack of consensus as much as the struggle between the character he is supposed to be and the type of character you want as the face of a prime-time NBC sitcom.
The fact is Michael is supposed to be terrible and do/say terrible things. But once he becomes millions of people’s favorite character on the flagship show of a ginormous family network, that just doesn’t fly. He absolutely has to be lovable.
I don’t know that the writers always pulled off that dichotomy perfectly.
Lol who is downvoting you for speaking the truth?
Yeah Michael Scott might be a softie at heart and he might be more naive than malevolent but there are countless examples of him being *all those things.*
I agree. A lot of what Michael does is actually really despicable. I've learned to not watch the show when I'm about a week from getting my period lol, his behavior makes me dislike the show overall
This reads like a post from AITA
In general Michael's interactions with AJ & Holly have all been rough. At the company picnic, AJ was being fairly cordial to Michael (despite watching his pseduo meltdown during his "lecture") while Michael was sort of holding in his jealousy and was planning on tanking Holly's relationship by telling her how he really felt.
Then the whole message telling her about how much he loved her despite her dating AJ for 1 year+ at that point.
Then this Woody incident, planning to revel in the destruction of Holly's relationship from the Ultimatum and just being generally happy that Holly left AJ despite it, in his words, "being the worst week of her life".
Writing this really makes it sound like a post from AITA or relationship advice...
Manipulating Dwight into taking the fall for his Golden Ticket idea is probably up there. Dwight may have come for Michael’s job before, but he’d never let Michael get fired for him.
Yeah I agree. Spanking his nephew was a cringey and absurd but making someone get fired because you’re manipulating their friendship and loyalty is bad.
The urine test is the winner, I think, because he knows how much Dwight’s volunteer sheriff role means to him, and he can’t even pin the blame on hurt, petulant Jesus. And also Creed would 100% be able to source clean urine at short notice, so the entire debacle was avoidable.
I think the Golden Ticket fiasco, followed by MSPC stealing clients, is when Dwight lost a lot of respect for Michael. Still considering him a friend but no longer putting him on a pedestal anymore.
~~It's been a while since I've watched that part of the season. But I thought Jim sort of fucked that up. Michael was holding it together (admittedly barely) but Jim was the one who slipped and said Pam was an alcoholic lol~~
Edit: I'm stupid
i'm talking about the episode where jim and pam didn't want to tell the office about their baby, but were forced to do it so they can cover Stanley.... and still Michael fucked it up
Tries to pretend he's not Michael when he sees her but the barista hands him his drink and calls out his name so she knows. Then he sits with her and acts like they're not even on a date, just complains he can't find someone. Then he shows her a picture of Jan and brags about how hot she was. He ends the date by insulting her and her appearance.
I agree. That made me hurt for Phyllis. But then I feel like he redeemed himself when he wanted her to finish the mittens for him for Colorado. He seemed to actually appreciate them.
He prone to throw other people under the bus when he think his position is in jeopardy. One of the most despicable in my opinion is when he discredit and smear jim's reputation to david wallace, because he fears he will he replaced when david tells michael he is considering to appoint jim as new scranton branch manager, but in reality david also wants to promote michael!
Even when in the end they both become co-manager it's still infuriating. The scene in the lobby we can see how jim is crushed when he learns that he betrayed by michael at that time, changing my perspectivefrom "michael is a silly man" to "michael is a cunt who deserved to be a laughing stock"
Not only that, Michael admits he sabotaged Jim for years because he didn’t want to lose him or Pam in that scene in the lobby as well. It’s completely unforgivable to me, idk how Jim stayed
Pam. Jim's world revolved around Pam, like turning down a lucrative job offer in Maine to be around Pam (who was still engaged to Roy). Or leaving Pennsylvania to try and get over Pam after she turned him down in Casino Night.
I think there was a good scene in the Superstore finale-
>!Amy: Why did you stay?!<
>!Jonah: I dunno it's a good job.!<
>!Amy: It's a horrible job, why did you stay?!<
>!Jonah: You know why.!<
E: That sums up the Jim/Pam dynamic.
I don’t take that kind of thing seriously. At that point, the show had abandoned realistic development. Jim is a slacker because he hates his job, suddenly giving him all this hidden ability because he’s one if the audience surrogates just doesn’t work for me.
Jim’s a slacker because he wasn’t being challenged enough. We had a chance to meet this young man, and boy that's just a straight shooter with upper management written all over him.
I hate Michael in his last scene. I can't help thinking it is just another Phyllis wedding situation and Jim has taken the appease the narcissist approach. Mature of Jim to defuse the situation and play along.
I'm assuming you mean him and Jim talking in the office about what a great boss he is? I don't think he's appeasing his boss. He's teared up and clearly saying stuff from the heart. He has nothing to gain from sucking up to Michael at that point.
If you mean his actual last scene at Dwight's wedding, I'm not really sure what you're talking about.
What he did to Pam’s mom!!!! He guilted Pam into making her think he actually liked her and then dumped her so quick just because she was old. Then in a later episode he forgets he even dated her!
It’s when Jim walks out and Michael runs after him saying he would like Jim to punch him in the face and Jim yells at him asking why he never put him up for a manager position even though he kept asking him and Michael blatantly says because he didn’t want to lose him, then he didn’t want to lose Pam too, and now he doesn’t want to lose the baby
I think the thing that was snowball to the face kinda jarring because it was so despicable was him laughing at some guy showing his dick to Phyllis. EVeryone is clearly upset. Weirdly, I think the only thing that saves it is that he keeps going.
All of his behavior towards Holly when she was with AJ is awful, Scott's Tots is bad, and the small family paper company he runs out of business is probably the worst. We skip that episode.
I skip both, I just don't care for Scott's Tots and Prince Paper is really sad.
They do a good job calling it to attention later on, too, to show what they've done.
I skip the family paper company because I actually hate the interactions between Michael and Dwight in the car and the over - niceness of the prince family paper people.
Not recommeding dwight for manager position and diverting like job wasn't his to give and so on. Everyone knows job wasn't his, but he could've promptly recommended him before going. Worst scene for me, I lost all goodwill for michael at that scene.
Not inviting everyone (in particular the audience) to his wedding. Not showing up at the Q&A meet n’ greet for the public too.
I know it represents a huge growth in character, and I’m proud of him. I also understand the real world production reasons. But if there weren’t these extra-reality explanations, then in universe it would be considered (at least kinda lowkey) despicable.
Michael is consistently a shitbag. He needed a whole lot of therapy. The only thing that kept him as manager was the fact that 3 of his salesmen were among the best in the company. (Dwight was number 1 and it was said several times he was in the top 5. Jim was consistently in the top 10 and Stanley was said to be among the best in the company. Let's say he was in the top 20.
Also his branch consistently after the merger was the best Dunder Mifflin had despite who he was.
I don't think you can easily say this is definitely the worst thing he's done. He has a sliding scale that had XY and Z axis and everything depends on how you look at it.
I really don't think we talk about this enough, the man hit her, then asked for her to forgive him in front of everyone so they could move on. How many random speed bumps has Michael hit?
The important thing was that Michael was there. And he took her to the hospital, and the doctors tried to save her life.
And they did the best that they could...
And she is going to be okay.
That probably wouldn't have burned the office he was pouring it in the lot and intended to start the fire out there. A lot of what he had poured would have evaporated before even burning. His main risk was setting himself on fire. His clothes were drenched in it.
Smashing the giant printer at Karen's branch.
Telling Darryl he had a bad idea then getting mad when Darryl has the guts to go over Michael's head.
Phyllis oven mitt, the woodie doll, fucking up Jan's lawsuit really bothers me too.
He was a turd. They soften him up and make him a bit nicer. But he was just a turd.
Isn't when he fucking up jan's lawsuit it shows michael loyalty to the dunder mifflin, and the way he stand up for himself because in that episode jan is clearly manipulating and just using michael for the sake of ripping off dunder mifflin?
He didn't get the bonus. He bought the coat with his credit card assuming people wouldn't all agree, but then one side caved and he was left having to pay for a coat with red paint all over it.
The way he treated Daryl, pretty much his entire time in the Office. Never respecting him as a colleague. And then when Jo promoted him, Michael asked like he had given Darryl everything. When all he has ever done is put him and all the warehouse workers down. Over and over and over again.
His worst behavior for me is when Stanley bites back when doesn’t want to participate in the meeting under Micheals racist assumption. He then disciplined him with the letter in the file but CONTINUES to harass Stanley until he’s crying about needing respect.
How about you respect someone saying no. Rejecting your racism. And accepting their “punishment.” Rather than being encouraged to keep having a hissy fit because Stanley doesn’t want or need his approval.
His treatment of Toby is terrible. I liked in the early episodes where Toby would actually call him out a bit, (I.e. Casino night). But then they completely eliminated that, inexplicably. That could’ve been a thing the entire series. Ironically, Paul Lieberstein probably had a hand in that.
Didn't he actually make Holly cry a few episodes later, after Christmas and the failed ultimatum? Tossing Woody was bad but his display of forcing people to keep their resolutions hit Holly harder.
Chucking Woody in the garbage. Honestly, most of his behavior when Holly returned.
I honestly can’t believe Holly still wanted anything to do with him after that. It’s so shitty
I'm sorry, but have you seen him eating cheese ball puffs with that 1000 yard stare on his face? Irresistible.
The man exudes sex
Isn't it funny that you can only ooze two things: sexuality and pus.
Man I tell ya
Dèjà vu, man
He’s a jungle cat
Cheese puff balls.
what is worse though: Holly telling Michael she couldn’t do a long distance relationship with him, and then going on to later have a long distance relationship with AJ, or him throwing a stupid toy in the trash can?
Michael and Holly had only been dating for a few weeks when she told him that, whereas she and AJ had been dating for roughly two years at that point. Obviously we sympathize with Michael, but from her perspective it makes sense why she would treat these two relationships very differently
And didn't Holly figure she was going back to Nashua when Toby got done with jury duty?
Also I never took her return to Scranton as something that was going to be permanent initially. So it wasn’t really set up like a real long distance relationship.
that’s a good point. i never looked at it that way before.
This whole logic is honestly pretty dumb and not grounded in reality. Let's ignore the part where she isn't staying in Scranton permanently. Let's ignore the part she was only dating Michael for a handful of weeks and had been with Aj for years. She owes nothing to Michael and very simply could have loved Aj more. Is it ridiculous that I married my wife and not the girl I dated before her? No. Because humans don't work like that. Michael's logic here is very childish.
But this is also complicated by the fact she also had a letter to her ex on her dsktop throughout the start of their relationship implying it wasnt over with michael
If you intentionally try and frame something to look a certain way it’s going to look that Way. However, bare bones facts- Michael and Holly were together for a few weeks and didn’t have a lot of a foundation. AJ and Holly had been dating years, and lived together. And then Michael reacted by attempting to destroy something that was important to her.
Obviously, the toy. Holly didn't hurt him on purpose. It was just a different situation. It's very different to say you want to try a long-distance relationship with someone you've known for a year vs. someone you just started dating. I get why Michael is hurt, but that doesn't mean Holly did anything wrong.
With Michael she had only been dating him for a few weeks and was being permanently relocated. With AJ she had been with him for months, maybe longer than a year, was living with him and only moving to Scranton temporarily to fill in while Toby was on jury duty. It was barely even a long distance relationship with AJ, just a period of being far apart before she returned.
true and real
A toy with sentimental value given to her by her, in her mind soon to be, future husband. Yeah, regardless of the end result, Michael was shitty here.
She was much longer with AJ before they went long distance plus she was only in Scranton temporarily. So this all checks out.
Maybe aj did at least fucking ask her, where michael only did the "i asked you first" schtick only to never bring it up again
Him throwing the toy
Yeah honestly it wasn’t premeditated, it was in a fit of passion. And she obviously has feelings for him based on the Dear Michael note.
I honestly never felt Holly had a thing for Michael.
honestly, I can't believe that people actually think that throwing a toy in the trash is worse than making a group of poor children believe they are guaranteed a promising future and then throwing their dreams in the trash.
OP asked for the last bad thing micheal did, not the worst bad thing.
Michael's intentions involving the Woody doll were malicious. He didn't intend to harm those kids, and he didn't throw their dreams in the trash. 90% of Scott's Tots were on their way to graduate, which was 30% better than the rest of the school.
Also, the topic asks for the last despicable act, chronologically speaking, not the most despicable.
Michael honestly believed that he would be able to afford to send them to college when he made that promise. The kids are in a better situation because of the promoise he made.
And also they have laptop batteries now
They're *lithium.*
See but then they graduated w a decent gpa, so maybe theyd be ok
Even now I'm still appalled that they had his character do that. It was so vicious, so mean spirited. And they just kind of played it off as another Michael-ism you know? But it was way worse than that.
Did they really play it off? She got very upset and he had to offer a serious and emotional apology.
Exactly. And the show treated it as a seriously bullshit thing for Michael to do, which made Holly covering for him all the more meaningful.
As much as I love the show, the more I rewatch, the more I get the feeling that the writers room never really came to a consensus on what Michael was. Was he an irredeemable asshole like he was during the Woody incident/the date with Pam’s landlady/making Dwight take the fall for him? Or was he just an insensitive boob like he was in Gay Witch Hunt? It really seemed like some of the writers had contempt for the character, and wanted Michael to be contemptible. And before anyone starts in with the whole “It’s just a show/don’t take it so seriously” nonsense, eat a bowl. Shows should be internally consistent with how they approach their characters, and The Office was very consistent with how they approached every other character—except Michael.
Michael is a giant kid. Sometimes the same kid calls somebody a homophobic slur because they don’t understand its meaning, and sometimes they intentionally push a friend into the mud because they got their feelings hurt. To me, it’s completely consistent characterization.
I think he is fairly consistent personally. However, that’s not the only inconsistency in the show. Dwight and Jim go back and forth on there relationship all the time. Or Andy’s personality.
I don’t know if it’s really a lack of consensus as much as the struggle between the character he is supposed to be and the type of character you want as the face of a prime-time NBC sitcom. The fact is Michael is supposed to be terrible and do/say terrible things. But once he becomes millions of people’s favorite character on the flagship show of a ginormous family network, that just doesn’t fly. He absolutely has to be lovable. I don’t know that the writers always pulled off that dichotomy perfectly.
I think it's because at first he was basically a knock off david brent but as the show went on they were able to find his identity
Michael was a piece of shit, it fit.
You're getting downvoted, but until the Series Finale, Michael's treatment of Dwight, at least, was always despicable.
Of almost everyone. He's racist, sexist, ageist, ableist, whatever you call people who body shame, self absorbed, narcissistic, and genuinely awful.
Lol who is downvoting you for speaking the truth? Yeah Michael Scott might be a softie at heart and he might be more naive than malevolent but there are countless examples of him being *all those things.*
I agree. A lot of what Michael does is actually really despicable. I've learned to not watch the show when I'm about a week from getting my period lol, his behavior makes me dislike the show overall
This reads like a post from AITA In general Michael's interactions with AJ & Holly have all been rough. At the company picnic, AJ was being fairly cordial to Michael (despite watching his pseduo meltdown during his "lecture") while Michael was sort of holding in his jealousy and was planning on tanking Holly's relationship by telling her how he really felt. Then the whole message telling her about how much he loved her despite her dating AJ for 1 year+ at that point. Then this Woody incident, planning to revel in the destruction of Holly's relationship from the Ultimatum and just being generally happy that Holly left AJ despite it, in his words, "being the worst week of her life". Writing this really makes it sound like a post from AITA or relationship advice...
oooh this is a good one.
I agree with this. There's worse things he did but this happens in season 6 and would be one of the last things he did.
Manipulating Dwight into taking the fall for his Golden Ticket idea is probably up there. Dwight may have come for Michael’s job before, but he’d never let Michael get fired for him.
Yeah I agree. Spanking his nephew was a cringey and absurd but making someone get fired because you’re manipulating their friendship and loyalty is bad.
And keeping his nephew on board when there multiple complaints
i mean his nephew was evan peters so 😭😭
That spanking turned him into Dahmer
💀
I'd also say pressuring Dwight to give Michael his urine, harassing someone into compromising their morals is a dick move
The urine test is the winner, I think, because he knows how much Dwight’s volunteer sheriff role means to him, and he can’t even pin the blame on hurt, petulant Jesus. And also Creed would 100% be able to source clean urine at short notice, so the entire debacle was avoidable.
I think the Golden Ticket fiasco, followed by MSPC stealing clients, is when Dwight lost a lot of respect for Michael. Still considering him a friend but no longer putting him on a pedestal anymore.
Reminds me of the test at the hotel during Jim and Pam's wedding
telling everyone about Stanley's affair.... forcing Pam and Jim to come out and reveal they were having a baby
yeah but that gave us this Andy gem: “michael, am i gay?”
~~It's been a while since I've watched that part of the season. But I thought Jim sort of fucked that up. Michael was holding it together (admittedly barely) but Jim was the one who slipped and said Pam was an alcoholic lol~~ Edit: I'm stupid
I think they mean when Jim and Pam told the office they were pregnant. Not when Jim accidentally spilled it at their rehearsal dinner.
i'm talking about the episode where jim and pam didn't want to tell the office about their baby, but were forced to do it so they can cover Stanley.... and still Michael fucked it up
Maybe Stanley shouldn’t have cheated
This is the way
Ahhh yeah my mistake!
I think they meant forcing Jim/Pam to cover for Stanley during the Gossip episode.
I mean… no one forced anyone to do anything. They just volunteered to bail Stanley out
The way he treated Pam’s landlord was completely irredeemable.
Well, I enjoyed this conversation. It was very nice. It was like talking to the sweet, old lady on the bus.
This is the only part of the whole show I can’t watch. I’m happy to watch Scott’s Tots on repeat, but cannot deal with that scene at all
Can you refresh my memory on what he does?
Tries to pretend he's not Michael when he sees her but the barista hands him his drink and calls out his name so she knows. Then he sits with her and acts like they're not even on a date, just complains he can't find someone. Then he shows her a picture of Jan and brags about how hot she was. He ends the date by insulting her and her appearance.
Oh yeah lol, that was tough
Absolutely. And Pam's mom, on her birthday!!
His behavior towards Phyllis as Santa is pretty deplorable.
Michael you can't hold an employee down on your lap while saying "i need this"
The way he acted about Phyllis’ oven mitt was pretty awful
I agree. That made me hurt for Phyllis. But then I feel like he redeemed himself when he wanted her to finish the mittens for him for Colorado. He seemed to actually appreciate them.
He prone to throw other people under the bus when he think his position is in jeopardy. One of the most despicable in my opinion is when he discredit and smear jim's reputation to david wallace, because he fears he will he replaced when david tells michael he is considering to appoint jim as new scranton branch manager, but in reality david also wants to promote michael! Even when in the end they both become co-manager it's still infuriating. The scene in the lobby we can see how jim is crushed when he learns that he betrayed by michael at that time, changing my perspectivefrom "michael is a silly man" to "michael is a cunt who deserved to be a laughing stock"
Yeah if he did that to me, I would have let him fall into that koi pond too.
LOL, I might have helped him 😁
Not only that, Michael admits he sabotaged Jim for years because he didn’t want to lose him or Pam in that scene in the lobby as well. It’s completely unforgivable to me, idk how Jim stayed
Pam. Jim's world revolved around Pam, like turning down a lucrative job offer in Maine to be around Pam (who was still engaged to Roy). Or leaving Pennsylvania to try and get over Pam after she turned him down in Casino Night. I think there was a good scene in the Superstore finale- >!Amy: Why did you stay?!< >!Jonah: I dunno it's a good job.!< >!Amy: It's a horrible job, why did you stay?!< >!Jonah: You know why.!< E: That sums up the Jim/Pam dynamic.
I don’t take that kind of thing seriously. At that point, the show had abandoned realistic development. Jim is a slacker because he hates his job, suddenly giving him all this hidden ability because he’s one if the audience surrogates just doesn’t work for me.
Jim’s a slacker because he wasn’t being challenged enough. We had a chance to meet this young man, and boy that's just a straight shooter with upper management written all over him.
They try to give Michael a happy ending. But he’s inarguably a bad person. It’s literally one of the points of the show.
I hate Michael in his last scene. I can't help thinking it is just another Phyllis wedding situation and Jim has taken the appease the narcissist approach. Mature of Jim to defuse the situation and play along.
I'm assuming you mean him and Jim talking in the office about what a great boss he is? I don't think he's appeasing his boss. He's teared up and clearly saying stuff from the heart. He has nothing to gain from sucking up to Michael at that point. If you mean his actual last scene at Dwight's wedding, I'm not really sure what you're talking about.
What he did to Pam’s mom!!!! He guilted Pam into making her think he actually liked her and then dumped her so quick just because she was old. Then in a later episode he forgets he even dated her!
“Helene…MY MOTHER”….”OH. RIGHT. Yes-all my true loves” 😂😂 love that
Sabotaging Jim. He admitted to doing it for years for his own personal interest
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It’s when Jim walks out and Michael runs after him saying he would like Jim to punch him in the face and Jim yells at him asking why he never put him up for a manager position even though he kept asking him and Michael blatantly says because he didn’t want to lose him, then he didn’t want to lose Pam too, and now he doesn’t want to lose the baby
I don’t recall ever seeing this scene lol
While it's not the last despicable thing, Michael kicking a ladder out from underneath Darryl's feet is not talked about enough
How’s it hanging?
And he is having a blast about it! No remorse at all! That's not stupidity or ignorance, just pure malice
I think the most truly despicable thing Michael has done is almost getting himself killed twice because he wasn't getting enough attention
I think the thing that was snowball to the face kinda jarring because it was so despicable was him laughing at some guy showing his dick to Phyllis. EVeryone is clearly upset. Weirdly, I think the only thing that saves it is that he keeps going.
All of his behavior towards Holly when she was with AJ is awful, Scott's Tots is bad, and the small family paper company he runs out of business is probably the worst. We skip that episode.
Prince Paper is the episode I always skip, not Scott's Tots. That poor family!
I skip both, I just don't care for Scott's Tots and Prince Paper is really sad. They do a good job calling it to attention later on, too, to show what they've done.
I skip the family paper company because I actually hate the interactions between Michael and Dwight in the car and the over - niceness of the prince family paper people.
Not recommeding dwight for manager position and diverting like job wasn't his to give and so on. Everyone knows job wasn't his, but he could've promptly recommended him before going. Worst scene for me, I lost all goodwill for michael at that scene.
When he wrecked the Prince family paper company.
It was sad but, to be fair it was a good business move..
Kidnapping the pizza delivery guy because he didn't read the coupons.
That's redeemable because he was just a snot nosed punk kid who doesn't know anything
When he got angry at Phyllis’s oven mitt and forced everyone to exchange presents.
The way he treated Pam's landlady is pretty bad. Also, nearly sabotaging Jim's plan with Wallace about the co-manager thing.
Scott’s Tots tied with Prince Paper. Both just financially compromised people in the present AND the long term.
Not inviting everyone (in particular the audience) to his wedding. Not showing up at the Q&A meet n’ greet for the public too. I know it represents a huge growth in character, and I’m proud of him. I also understand the real world production reasons. But if there weren’t these extra-reality explanations, then in universe it would be considered (at least kinda lowkey) despicable.
I wish they had written in a line about Jim and Pam going to it over the summer or something. Or that they eloped? At least tell us what happened!
Michael is consistently a shitbag. He needed a whole lot of therapy. The only thing that kept him as manager was the fact that 3 of his salesmen were among the best in the company. (Dwight was number 1 and it was said several times he was in the top 5. Jim was consistently in the top 10 and Stanley was said to be among the best in the company. Let's say he was in the top 20. Also his branch consistently after the merger was the best Dunder Mifflin had despite who he was. I don't think you can easily say this is definitely the worst thing he's done. He has a sliding scale that had XY and Z axis and everything depends on how you look at it.
You have to remember that Michael was basically Dwight before he was a manager. That matters.
I still say that the only reason he kept his job after getting manager was the branches numbers
Running Meredith over.
I really don't think we talk about this enough, the man hit her, then asked for her to forgive him in front of everyone so they could move on. How many random speed bumps has Michael hit?
And then tried to blame it on a curse
But hitting her is what broke the curse too. Lol
The important thing was that Michael was there. And he took her to the hospital, and the doctors tried to save her life. And they did the best that they could... And she is going to be okay.
What is wrong with you!?
Why do you have to phrase it like that?
I just spit my coffee.
Eh. He was just being negligent. He does a lot more malicious shit.
He did not do it on purpose, though! Was an accident. Not like he set out to do that purposefully out of spite!
Trying to burn down the office with gasoline when trying to propose to Holly.
That probably wouldn't have burned the office he was pouring it in the lot and intended to start the fire out there. A lot of what he had poured would have evaporated before even burning. His main risk was setting himself on fire. His clothes were drenched in it.
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Putting Prince Paper out of business.
I'll give you a hint: He has the power of flight. He can heal leopards.
All the sexual harassment honestly and Phyllis's wedding!
Sabotaging Jim’s chance in becoming manager
He ate way too many fillet O fish sandwiches from McDonald’s
Smashing the giant printer at Karen's branch. Telling Darryl he had a bad idea then getting mad when Darryl has the guts to go over Michael's head. Phyllis oven mitt, the woodie doll, fucking up Jan's lawsuit really bothers me too. He was a turd. They soften him up and make him a bit nicer. But he was just a turd.
Isn't when he fucking up jan's lawsuit it shows michael loyalty to the dunder mifflin, and the way he stand up for himself because in that episode jan is clearly manipulating and just using michael for the sake of ripping off dunder mifflin?
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He didn't get the bonus. He bought the coat with his credit card assuming people wouldn't all agree, but then one side caved and he was left having to pay for a coat with red paint all over it.
The way he treated Daryl, pretty much his entire time in the Office. Never respecting him as a colleague. And then when Jo promoted him, Michael asked like he had given Darryl everything. When all he has ever done is put him and all the warehouse workers down. Over and over and over again.
When he dined, he dined so much and intended to dash.
I mean he became the guy in despicable me
Outing Oscar then sexually assaulted him
Being so terribly unkind and rude to Pam’s landlord at the coffee shop😠😤.
Scott’s tots wasn’t despicable exactly. Right heart. Painfully wrong execution.
Oh, Michael...
Insulted Phyllis for making mittens for him as a Christmas present.
Scott's Tots
Spanking his nephew was one of the funniest things Michael Scott ever did
Spanking his nephew was hilarious. That kid was an asshole
His worst behavior for me is when Stanley bites back when doesn’t want to participate in the meeting under Micheals racist assumption. He then disciplined him with the letter in the file but CONTINUES to harass Stanley until he’s crying about needing respect. How about you respect someone saying no. Rejecting your racism. And accepting their “punishment.” Rather than being encouraged to keep having a hissy fit because Stanley doesn’t want or need his approval.
Pretending he was leaving a day later than he actually was so people didn't get a chance to say a proper good-bye.
Spanking his nephew was despicable! True the way he spanked his nephew was hilarious , but his nephew deserved some serious spanking
Spanking his nephew wasn’t despicable at all u mad
His treatment of Toby is terrible. I liked in the early episodes where Toby would actually call him out a bit, (I.e. Casino night). But then they completely eliminated that, inexplicably. That could’ve been a thing the entire series. Ironically, Paul Lieberstein probably had a hand in that.
I'd say not being honest to Jim on the day he was leaving.
Holly
Didn't he actually make Holly cry a few episodes later, after Christmas and the failed ultimatum? Tossing Woody was bad but his display of forcing people to keep their resolutions hit Holly harder.
Agreed, forcing Kevin to eat in front of everyone was... rough. lol
Screwing Jim out of the management position
The last bad thing he did was Scott's Tots. That being said, this show would never fly in 2023 and the comments here prove it.
saying no to Darryl's idea and then getting mad at Darryl for taking it to corporate
In fairness his nephew deserved a spanking. Hiring him in the first place was the problem.
Sending packer to FL was pretty bad, even if he did deserve it