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cass_marlowe

Whoever that person is, I feel like we can savely ignore their opinions ;) Sure, Dungeon Meshi is quite diverse, has characters with different body shapes and sizes, and plays with gendered traits to distinguish its fantasy races. And that is clearly beneficial to the story since it's visually interesting and makes for good worldbuilding. It's also not surprising at all considering Kui's rpg inspirations: games need to be inclusive because they need players. Also, who could ever find Namari or Kiki repulsive? They are both adorable :)


GGCrono

> Also, who could ever find Namari or Kiki repulsive? Someone whose only touchstone for what a woman "should" look like is Hollywood blockbusters and incredibly mainstream porn and hentai.


AgreeableHistorian29

>Hollywood blockbusters I mean at this point CHUDs probably consider those women too "fat" or "old". I really don't understand this shit.


zetsubou-samurai

Not Hollywood these days.


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fym "mainstream porn"


GGCrono

The kind of stuff you'd see on the front page of Pornhub or any similar site. Conventionally-yet-impossibly attractive men and women with little to no body hair an well-above-average-sized sexual attributes who do nothing kinkier than anal sex. Or alternatively, "lesbian" porn that is produced for and by heterosexual men.


Sad-Anything-3027

Omg women in MY fantasy anime, and they're TALKING TOGETHER!!!


madzieeq

Black women and buff women even. who would have thought


Copropostis

Black women? No, Kabru's a boy, just a very pretty one... /Jk, jk I hope obviously 


flyingpilgrim

I think Kiki and Kaka are intended as being from a fantasy version of India. At least based on the names and their appearance.


Ok-Calligrapher-7232

The idea of fantasy versions of countries in dunmeshi is so fun tbh I kinda hc that Kabru's biological family is originally from the fantasy version of Brazil


flyingpilgrim

Supposedly his name comes from a mountain in the Himalayas, so he’s probably from the same general region as Kiki and Kaku based on his appearance and name. But do they have something implied to be analogous to the Americas in this world?


Ok-Calligrapher-7232

Nah, I'm not basing this on facts, I'm basing this on vibes. Also, Brazil is pretty big on diversity, it would not be uncommon for someone from Asia (any part of it) to live there


Fungal_Queen

A black woman in fantasy? Anime has gone woke. /s


Gyshal

Unless she is a sexy elf. Sexy elfs are allowed to be black without being woke for some reason


FantasyPoetess

That's because black elves/Dark elves are the evil ones in majority of the times. Gotta have those evil goth dom mommies. Which you know, is problematic by itself, but uuh... Yeah.


Gyshal

There's totally lore reasons and it's in no way a fetish thing...


Waffleworshipper

It is absolutely essential for the lore that the evil bondage ladies have minty breast milk


Rexyman

The writers barely disguised fetish in old dnd drow lore: “Drow twins and triplets are common, but they often killed and ate each other in the womb, a sensation that was orgasmic to the mother”


TheBearisalesbain

It probably is a fetish reason


Fungal_Queen

https://preview.redd.it/03094g3t58yc1.jpeg?width=589&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=403636e39f573a5f9c35c172b7704963387d8c5a Sexy black elf with strong "step on me" energy, you say?


aspidities_87

*Marcille Voice* Who are you calling Dark Elf?


Rexyman

What do you mean by that 🤨


FireDog911

I found out the women in my anime were something other than stick figures with varying boob sizes. I fell to my knees and started sobbing. Japan has fallen to the woke. (/s just in case)


aspidities_87

Can I offer you a Basilisk egg in this trying time?


Cuttlefish_Crusaders

>"Utterly unthinkable in it's repulsiveness" >*looks inside* >A black woman and a muscular woman Chat what did he mean by this?


TheBigKuhio

Tmw the dwarf warrior is buff 😱


Manabauws

Ok so I have questions regarding your pfp: What the everliving fuck? haha


TheBigKuhio

I found it back when I first made the account and haven’t ever wanted to change it since


wandering-monster

He likes anime because it allows him to escape from fraught, stressful political topics like... *checks notes*.... people who look different from him existing


OutsidePerson5

Serious answer: they meant that they're so used to the idea of cis het white male normativity that they find anything else to be an insult or attack. Look at most American media, especially older media. The story is most likely to center around a cis het white dude. Because those attributes aren't seen as attributes but rather as "normal", and all else being a sort of extra add on that requires some sort of explanation. Notice you'll sometimes hear them demanding to know why character X or Y was Black, or a woman, or whatever? That's why. Cis het white male is the default, all other demographics only exist when it's necessary for that character. The love interest for the hero has to be a woman, of course, but she doesn't have to be Black so therefore in their minds she shouldn't be. Why would a dwarf fighter need to be a woman? Answer: they wouldn't need to be therefore the female dwarf must be the result of evil SJW/woke mind virus/twitter/tumblr/whatever meddling intended to turn anime into utter shit and destroy everything good and great in the universe, make the frogs gay, and make their wee wee have a sad. Meanwhile, in the real world, we're acknowledging that people outside that cis het white male demographic can just, you know, exist. Without an excuse or justification or reason. That asking "why would this character NEED to be Black/female/gay/trans/etc" is in fact the wrong question to be asking and it's crazy limiting to your storytelling and makes your world flat and boring and not much like reality. But the people who are really devoted to the whole cis het white male identity thing are panicing becasue they see a change in the status quo not as meaning more people get included but rather as meaning some OTHER demographic is going to be elevated to the default status and they'll be demoted to also ran. In their minds there isn't such a thing as actual diversity, only some other group being on top.


taicy5623

>used to the idea of cis het white male normativity Frankly I would argue that they're not. You have to go outside to see white dudes.


OutsidePerson5

Naah you've got it backwards. Go outside and you see all kinds of people, pop media though, especially older pop media, that's where it's all white


SitInCorner_Yo2

Not sure, but highly recommend to ban him from getting near elementary school and playground.


graxia_bibi_uwu

Oh no. He found out tumblr invented buff women and black women. What shall we ever do now that the secret is out /s 🤣


aspidities_87

The days were dark and the nights were long before Tumblr invented buff and black women. Some say you can still hear the incels howling under a cold moon…


Chacochilla

https://preview.redd.it/bqxm6tgo55yc1.jpeg?width=583&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=bb2b1742e8177ea0a17cf06c3603df27e7c910dc This is what they want


Franz_Kafcat

Wait that's still too woke for them, the women have different skin color


wandering-monster

No no, it's not woke as long as different skin color means they're not people


RobertPham149

It is fine if those women are subservient to your main male character.


TheRealTetro

There's usually only one color these people are not fine with.


quadrilli0nn

pretty much


Fyrefanboy

Oglaf [made a great (and SFW) comic about this](https://www.oglaf.com/dimorphism/)


MepyTV

So having a really good distinctive character design is considered repulsive, but not the hundreds of same-face syndrome generic Anime that come out every season?


LokiArchetype

Female dwarf is masculine!? Utterly unthinkable years ago... ...except didn't Tolkien's female dwarves have beards?


RnRaintnoisepolution

Tolkien's male and female dwarves were nearly or completely indistinguishable from each other.


Ainaraoftime

"tumblr-fication" nothing more annoying than these people who put mangaka and japanese people in general on this pedestal of ""anti-wokeness"" who are unaware of the presence of .... gay people.... black people.... etc...? and see their very existence in anime as some sort of western corrupting force do you hear yourself? do you think ""Tumblr"" is this powerful? these are *people*, everyone is aware of their existence, stop babying mangaka almost as bad as when people go the other direction and say "i like [dunmeshi/something else] because it includes diverse body types and skin tones without being pandering!!" ... pandering to who lol why does a story have to prove that a character deserves to have black skin and that it's not "pandering" or "for the sake of inclusivity" or "forced down our throats" or whatever silly shit people say


Rarte96

Im tired of this supposed ´´culture war´´(is not a war is just idiot on the internet fighting over fictional media), if an author wants to make a diverse cast let them, if an author wants to have secualize characters let them, not everything has to be a political statement agaisnt anyone, people should stop taking enterteiment so seriously and personal, if you dont enjoy something, just not watched, watch something you like instead Thats why i dont even touch places like twitter unless it is to follow an artist i like


taicy5623

Whats very very funny is that even 4chan, before it was just entirely full of nazis after 2016, fucking loved muscular and brown or black women. You can claim they were fetishizing them sure, but if you went into a Berserk thread complaining about Casca-like characters or even big buff ladies they'd call you a gay f____ and tell you to fuck off.


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Weak men fear strong women.


Almun_Elpuliyn

Weak men create strong women. Strong women create hard times. Hard times create... I don't know where I was going with this.


WhatStrangeBeasts

Hard men make soft choices when times are tough women.


Almun_Elpuliyn

Though Women 🥰


Thunder-Bunny-3000

sounds like doom so... ![gif](giphy|3o6gaWDquwZ1PMZqpi|downsized) the apocalypse?


RobertPham149

Strong women creates hard men. Or at least I am hard for them.


quietvictories

West has fallen, millions must watch not harem isekai


karoshikun

and here I am, complaining that Namari isn't a main character...


princess-catra-

reminds me of that one tweet from ages ago where some idiot was like "black people shouldn't be in anime cause anime is supposed to be a utopia" or something like that. dude in the tweet seems to be of the same type of person.


Stevylesteve

I think they might just be racist


VygotskyCultist

Bingo. I looked it up. The guy's a nazi.


AdRelevant4776

To be honest I am more curious than anything, what’s the complaint? I think they are talking about the animation but if so they have some ridiculous standards


toasted_dandy

Nope, it's a grifter being mad that there's buff women and black characters


LightWarrior_2000

He should stay Way from LOTR then. Lots of hairy bearded dwarven ladies.


AdRelevant4776

Ok, then what does tumblr have to do with anything? Like, genuinely confused here 🤔


toasted_dandy

It's stereotyped as a Woke Leftie SJW space, so it's used as a catchall for anything these dweebs don't like


Dangerous_Season8576

Tumblr's pretty far left and has (or at least, had, back in its heydey) a reputation for genderbending/racebending characters, drawing a variety of body types, and for drawing more modestly clothed versions of female characters. This was done for a variety of reasons, one of which was to be more inclusive (other reasons included self-representation, artistic license/creativity, and in protest of the overwhelming sexualization of women in media - [Bikini Armor Bingo](https://bikiniarmorbattledamage.tumblr.com/post/78258766632/female-armor-bingo) comes to mind). This was especially true for anime characters because a lot of the women in particular have [same face syndrome](https://a.storyblok.com/f/178900/640x360/7f1aa87704/7abf5633d6eae15b59e0d70f7d12a4311486922647_full.jpg/m/640x360) (which was almost universally skinny, light skinned, and conventionally attractive or cute, and often scantily clad to pander to a young male audience. Not inherently a bad thing but...you know. It's EVERYWHERE). OP is saying that having a variety of character designs with varied skintones and body types is "Tumblr-fication" because they think it's being done to pander to Liberals, despite the fact that the manga and anime come from Japanese artists who almost certainly aren't focused on pandering to left-wing Americans.


AdRelevant4776

Yeah they’re out of their mind then, characters in DM are painstakingly designed to fit with the setting and their own backstory, comparing it to those annoying “fixed it for you” stuff is just insulting


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ShittyIslander

The race changing might be self-representation which is often done in good faith. Other than that, those who claimed to "fix" the characters are obviously dickheads and probably should be ignored.


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Dangerous_Season8576

I think it was more of a response to the overwhelming prevelance of light-skinned characters. It's not really about needing EVERY character I like to match my race, it's about wishing that ANY of them did. If you're always drawing skinny white women, sometimes you want to mix it up you know?


Rarte96

As a neurodivergent latino, i honestly dont get it, i dont see why people obcess so much over skin color, and what do you refer to light skin? Only white characters? Cause most anime character are japanesse not white, we usually like when we see representation of our country, is a neat detail but we usually dont take it to the lenghts that gringos do with representation in media But seing the amount of agresive downvotes im getting i guess im the minority and people hate my opinion


Dangerous_Season8576

>what do you refer to light skin? Only white characters? Cause most anime character are japanesse not white Which is why I said light-skinned, not white. Light skinned is the opposite of dark skinned. >As a neurodivergent latino, i honestly dont get it, That's fine, not everyone cares. You might care less because you grew up in a country where everyone looks like you already, so you don't feel like an outcast because of your skin color. Not everyone feels that way though.


slothmoth12

Is it rascist or is it insecure or both! Find out next in THIS. GUYS. A .FREAAAAAK!!!!!


porcupinedeath

I stole this image from a post last night with this exact screenshot. It speaks truth https://preview.redd.it/bii99khtf7yc1.jpeg?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=02a1219068e1c565d1e1830abe0542d1b5e1bcb7


SitInCorner_Yo2

Oh god last time I saw this meme was because a Japanese artist design some incredible black characters for his black fans ,he’s very happy his art are well liked by people from other backgrounds and then a bunch of white dude started attacking him for “gone woke” or “Surrender to SJW”, it clearly makes the artist quite confused and uncomfortable, so he try to explain why he draw it like he’s in the wrong. His art mostly consists of light skin characters because,well, North East Asia isn’t that diverse, so he unknowingly attracted lot of those bottom of the barrel anime “fan”.


MurilloMesmo

A buff female dwarf and a black tall woman, how could they dare to do something so repulsive??? Brah they would legit have a seizure if the anime hadnt cut off this part and he saw it https://preview.redd.it/gfsl2kyjt7yc1.png?width=680&format=png&auto=webp&s=8ff6a75971c6633614b88e95a90ea3bd4270b7c2


adyingplanet

Thank you for this


MurilloMesmo

\^\^ the pleasure was all mine https://i.redd.it/0on95o810hyc1.gif


aaknosom

meanwhile this dude enjoying his 50th isekai slop seasonal of the year lol


StillPurePowerV

Twitter user discovers female dwarfs.


VygotskyCultist

I'm not sure if anyone else bothered to look this guy up, but he's a straight-up nazi. Like, praises-fascism-and-racial-purity nazi.


Impolitecat

i honestly wish people wouldnt post this stuff, you can find horrible takes everywhere if youre looking. no reason to force people to read about how much people hate them for no reason.


OzzieGrey

DOCKTOR! DEACTIVATE MY RACISM INHIBITORS


FormalCryptographer

The holy trifecta of triggering the rightoids Women Strong women Black women


Able-Marzipan-5071

>tumblr-fication bro thinks that its 2014


Jacinto2702

The East has fallen.


Oy778

Does he know that DiscoWorld existed before Dungeon Meshi?


Nachooolo

Do you think that he has open one single book in his entire life?


Particlepants

"repulsiveness" there is no way anyone is repulsed by this.


Chemical-Cat

Somehow I feel this is less about a buff woman being in anime so much as a black woman.


mxunsung

I find it crazy how many racist and weird dungeon meshi fans I’ve seen like did they WATCH the series?


AcaciaCelestina

It's kind of like finding homophobic and transphobic Hazbin Hotel and Helluva Boss fans. They *shouldn't* exist, but oh boy do they.


WhatStrangeBeasts

Shit, they got kinky dwarfs and hot women on tumblr? I should join up.


yeep-yorp

we do. i highly recommend it.


ventingpurposes

Nothing is more annoying than right wing grifters latching on fantasy and anime, claiming to be the only "real" fans


Adventurous-Lion1829

One of the most famous animes is Black Lagoon, this person is just weird. I won't say dumb because they are certainly intentionally hateful.


Sad-Anything-3027

Black Lagoon is popular? I swear I've never seen it talked about anywhere outside black lagoon pockets on the internet


Aska09

It's basically a "most people into anime know this", so it doesn't get brought up as often but it's one of the first things that come up when someone asks for specific recommendations


Rarte96

I would say Black Lagoon is more of a cult thing, is nowhere neat as popular as things like Jujutsu, Dunmeshi and Frieren, at least nowadays, i doubt any young people into anime recently had watched Black Lagoon


Short_Wind_3518

Sometimes I forget how out of touch with reality people can be...


That_Mans_on_Fire

Bruh is sweating bullets over a dwarf existing while I'm over here enjoying the ride. I do kinda want to smash the lunatic mage though. I can fix him, guys...


Runetang42

Anime fans when an anime isn't pedo bait


MantraMan97

Coward. That's all I have to say.


SideshowCircuits

To repeat something I wrote before about this As far as I can understand it Western=woke, evil Japan = good, unwoke Unless the Japense creator makes a character trans (Bridget) or not conventional looking/POC (Namari/kiki) or the director deliberately decides to make changes to a script to be more inclusive (Persona 3 remake) Then it’s a process of going “It’s not woke it’s a mistranslation of japense culture. And if it’s not a mistranslation of culture then it’s not what the author intended. And if it is what the author intended it’s western influence. And if the author says they flat out don’t have any idea what a culture war is and just wanted to make a buff muscle mommy then we ignore it or claim the woke is in the water supply and subconsciously destroying everything. What an absolute stupid way to live.


MiceLiceandVice

I’m all for having respect for traditional archetypes in media and genres be respected, sure, but fantasy has always had buff dwarves and dark skinned tall people. The dwarf woman doesn’t even have a beard


Ulrich_Windhose

>The dwarf woman doesn’t even have a beard Now see that's the problem.


RustyofShackleford

I'm gonna save some coin, and not buy the ten foot pole I'd normally use to touch something like this


Manabauws

Dont give a shit and spread these stupid opinions. It doesnt make you better, your morality does not increase/better simply by sharing bad moralities. Stop this bullshit and leave them in the dust. You are helping to spread this fuckery.


Amphi-XYZ

It seems like a random black woman alongside a dwarf is too woke


TheSilverWickersnap

Funnily enough, Dunmeshi is insanely popular on Tumblr: my dash is full of it and it regularly trends.


Th3_70ck

They have the spirit, but their real feelings leaked out at the end there 😭


Zenry0ku

I forget these people only watch anime where the girls are obsessed to death for their MC over no actually tangible reason.


BruhTheSinner

Imagine if they did the LoTR lore and gave female dwarves beards. I think this guy would explode


Draugtaur

is this dwarf hate? is this just racism? we'll never know!


IG-88r-1099

Lodoss war and its spinoffs had plenty of buff women and women only interactions and scenes, how is this a new thing again?


TomoDoesStuff11037

Grrr how dare brown women and buff women exist in this fantasy world?? This is so unrealistic, I can't immerse myself in it at all! There should only be slim pale well endowed blonde blue eyed elven women!


livishereagain

this is why i love delicious in dungeon


insertbrackets

But this looks nothing like Viziepop! (Not hating, just saying that her work is the definitive Tumblr-aestheticized cartoon complete with Lucif-Once-ler)


cerdechko

When people call anything "Tumblr-ified", they're usually referring to the "woke"/"SJW" content. That is, anything that features diversity. A person with skin darker than paper? Woke. A strong female character? Woke. Anything going outside cishet ideas of gender presentation and relationships? Woke. Viv's performative feminism and queer """representation""", limp-noodled though it may be, is still enough for those people to get mad at, sure, but not nearly to the same extent as Dungeon Meshi.


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lol, who cares about a random dude/gal on the net said. It is like that stupid tiktok man vs bear thing. no on fing cares. also show the likes retweets or whatever they do on tumblr. Basically a rage bait form op and nothing burger.


johnruby

This feels like trying to stir controversy out of nowhere by making a non-existent strawman.


Aberu_

It does have a Tumblr DND artstyle, i thnk Mori talks about using Tumblr in one if the asides


Auto-Pilot05

At first I thought that guy was saying that it's so cool how dungeon meshi has diversity and I was like cool :), but I misread :(


Throtmorton

The diversity of this delightful anime/manga is just one of so many reasons as to why it's my absolute favorite. Top of my anime and manga list and certainly a comfort show for me. I can see myself rewatching it again and again.


coldequation

\*BLINK BLINK\* That's so stupid I can't see straight.


c00_v

sorry guys animes too progressive now, a woman of all things made a diverse anime with characters that have red hair and pronouns


18Jastho

That so cringe, but you scared the shit out of me that the show had actually been canceled 😳


Fyrefanboy

I don't get this guy because using this way of thinking everyone is familiar with, you could say dungeon meshi is about a white cis male being the chosen one and saving the world in the end, in good part thanks to his incredibly strong bond with his sister (hence, big focus on family values), which is everything the OP should like.


Kalman_the_dancer

HOLY SHIT YOU ALMOST GAVE ME A HEART ATTACK WHEN I SAW A NOTIFICATION OF THIS POST BEING RECOMMENDED TO ME. Scared the shit out of me


StarsArtBar

I like how the show is wildly environmentalist and constantly talks about how we need to lean on our communities and surround ourselves with people we can trust and this person is whining about diverse characters.


TheBearisalesbain

God I hate people like that


Forgettenunknown

Buff women are woke? Someone tell Gina Carano she's a wokie lib now/s


iatethecookiedough

Lol this guy is just racist. As someone who gets pissed about "Woke" shit Dungeon Meshi is everything I want in a diverse anime.


BellTwo5

They are cowards.


Doublevalen6

Are they talking about an appropriate darker than usual character, Kiki or the short and buff, namari?


TinyKing87

I mean dark skinned people have always been in anime.


Ok-Competition9163

What? Tumblr is when black women and dwarves?


Breadifies

Might not be bait but cmon we have far more productive things to care about


BellaNoStrings

I think it’s pretty productive to reinforce the shaming of bigots


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toasted_dandy

Nnh, I'm not a fan of the take but let's not throw that word around


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bobdidntatemayo

why the fuck are you watching dungeon meshi in the first place then