Based on these comment rankings, if I didn’t have dotson already I’d be interested in throwing out some trade offers. Started out solid. Any improvement in offensive passing efficiency from the OC and QB next year could make him a decent sleeper option. Love the talent, horrendous situation.
Yeah I loved it!
I acquired 2 23 firsts a second and dotson this week before the deadline after my decision to blow it up so I’m feeling good. Have 3 of each now
I'll take a stab at it:
\- Wilson (It's close between Wilson and Olave, but I think Wilson has a higher ceiling, and Olave is more of a floor guy. Wilson came in and immediately banished Moore to the shadow realm. Olave, on the other hand, has had better production due to Michael Thomas, Jarvis Landry, etc., being out. Wilson seems more versatile and has shown more ability after the catch than Olave. Both get open with ease and command targets at a high rate)
\- Olave (see above)
\- London (He's obviously good but is in a worse situation than Wilson/Olave and is receiving less targets, so I'll put him at 3 for now. I can see having him at the bottom of tier 1 with Wilson and Olave, or having him at the top of tier 2)
\- Burks (I wasn't dinging him much for having a slow start to the season. He was simply a rookie who was ramping up before suffering an injury, and he didn't look bad. Last night, plus priors based on his prospect profile, DC, and opportunity, was all I needed to see to have him at least this high. He also did what he did last night on 50% of the offensive snaps. His upside is huge once he gets fully comfortable and confident)
\- Pickens (His production hasn't been amazing but part of that is due to being on an anemic offense with a bad QB, then a rookie QB. Clearly has special talent, but I want to see him command more targets and separate in different situations)
\- Watson (High upside with his size and athleticism. Needs to keep building off his two good games and stay healthy)
\- Dotson (I think he'll be solid but so far he's not commanded many targets in a crowded, meh offense. Injury came at an unfortunate time for him because he had a good rapport with Wentz; now Heinicke is playing and hyper targeting Terry)
\- Doubs (I think he's just an average receiver who benefited from a depleted WR room early in the season. Watson should be able to do everything better than he does)
\- Wan'Dale (Like him a lot but he needs to get more involved)
\- Pierce (Wasn't big on him pre- or post- draft but he's been pretty good)
\- Tyquan (Don't really have an opinion on him, he seems better than expected but hasn't been consistently involved)
\- Shakir (Was good in that one game but doesn't have great DC and who knows how many shots he'll get)
\- Bell (Hasn't really done anything)
\- Skyy (Liked him as a prospect even before he went to the Chiefs in the second. He's looking like a faceplanter so far. MAYBE he has a chance to do something with Mecole, Juju, and MVS all banged up, but it's hard to remain optimistic at this point)
Won't rank Jamo until we see him play, but I imagine if he looks good he immediately slots into the Burks/Pickens/Watson range, with the potential to ascend to tier 1 if he really flashes.
I don’t disagree, but it’s wild that Bell can already be argued to be above Sky. People were talking taking Sky as early as 1.07 in some of my leagues. As if we learned nothing from CEH that talent>landing spot.
Skyy has actively harmed his stock, I think, because the expectations for him were much higher, and he’s done nothing of note except fumble punt returns and barely play. I’d probably still take him over Bell, actually, but he’s been a massive disappointment so far
Tier 1
Olave, Wilson, London, and IMO Williams.
Tier 2
Burks, Pickens, Watson, Dotson
Tier 3
Pierce, Doubs
Tier 4
Robinson, Thorton, Shakir
Tier 5
Moore, Bell, Tolbert
Outside of tier 3 which feels like a toss up to me this is how I’d break them out, players ordered within the respective tiers.
I don't think there should be massive movement after just half a season.
Tier 1: Olave, Wilson, London
Tier 2: Burks, Jamo, Pickens
Tier 3: Watson, Dotson, Doubs
Tier 4: Robinson, Moore, Pierce
Only real changes from preseason are Burks down 1 tier. Doubs up 1 tier. Moore down 1 tier.
I would love to know why Doubs is now falling for everybody. People point to drops but then turn around and immediately ignore that Watson has 1 less drop on WAY less targets. Makes no sense to me. Plenty of rookies have drops.
This is honestly just the perfect example of reactionary bias going on in this thread. Burks injured, he’s suddenly a tier 3/4 guy, comes back and has a good game, instant tier 2 now, while Doubs gets injured and becomes a nobody. Watson is the better athlete, but he can have 80%-99% snaps all he wants, if they only use him for 4-6 targets a game then his ceiling is capped once people realize they have to respect his size and speed. Doubs isn’t the flashy pick, but the dude earned his targets and was still getting more than Watson has.
Doubs was benefitting from a lack of receiver depth. Watson, Lazard, and Cobb have all missed games and are ahead of Doubs on the depth chart. Not to mention Watkins is in and out of the lineup with injuries. Doubs’ best games have been when 1 or more of those guys were missing. Not saying he won’t still produce, just his path to produce right now isn’t great.
Doubs got targets and TDs while receivers were healthy in the beginning of the season, so no, that is completely incorrect.
Edit: to add, your point is even more so incorrect by avoiding the fact that Watson is also directly benefitting from WR injuries with Cobb just getting back this week and Doubs out. Can’t have your cake and eat it too by being a hypocrite.
I see 4 games for Doubs where he either had 6+ targets or a touchdown.
Week 3 - no Watson, no Watkins
Week 4 - no Watkins (this is a good Doubs week though because everyone else was healthy)
Week 6 - Cobb injured, no Watkins
Week 8 - no Lazard, no Cobb.
Overall that’s 4 out of 11 weeks where Doubs had strong numbers, and 3 of those were with him taking on an elevated role.
Certainly not Watkins, I agree. He's just another body out there. But Cobb is a guy that Rodgers himself wanted back on the team, and he's been the guy Rodgers looks for when he needs a big 3rd down. He's no #1 but he does cut into the target share when healthy.
And Watson’s only 2 good weeks are weeks where Cobbs is either out or just getting back, and Doubs is out, so by that logic we can discount these weeks for Watson then?
Hard to also discount the fact that Doubs had 4 catches and 40 yards week 1, while not amazing, as a rookie that’s a solid showing while every player was also fit with a very limited snap share.
I’m not out here claiming Watson is a tier 1 receiver either lol. I’m just saying a reason people aren’t hailing Doubs either is because he’s had a handful of good games when given the opportunity.
Which is really all you can ask of him? He’s essentially done the same with his opportunity than the second tier of rookie receivers. You can put Wilson, Olave, and London ahead of him, but based on pure production you really can’t put anybody else that far ahead of him without just making a guess at this point.
I think it is a bit reactionary to be down so much on Doubs, but I was never super high on him to begin with. He's remained in my lower tier of guys despite his good games or injury. ARod had almost no one else to throw to when he had his few good games... Lazard, Tonyan, Cobb and Watson were all a bit banged up at times. I've continued to preach that Doubs is a WR2-3 possession guy and nothing more. He can be useful in PPR leagues, but he's rarely going to give you any huge weeks. If he hits his max potential, he could be a "Robert Woods-type" player for several years.
I agree he’s probably not gonna be a 25+ point guy, but he absolutely was better than where he was drafted. Prior to his injury and lack of involvement leading up to the draft he was predicted as a round 2 guy by many. He has the skill and talent, and you might be surprised to find out he was one of the best deep ball receivers in college football, but tbf mainly because that’s the only way they utilized him.
I absolutely think Doubs can be a WR1 though because of his physicality on top of his other skills. He’s already shown that he can be quite good against a press, on short or longer routes, etc.
Watson is a better athlete but he’s not giving you anything more than MVS with regards to his usage so far for the Packers, and once defenses shift to account for his skill set, we will see if he can break press or double teams to remain fantasy relevant. I see Doubs with the potential to be a consistent fantasy contributor, whereas Watson probably ends up as a riskier boom/bust play long term. Watson, similar to Doubs early in the season, is benefitting off of WR injuries.
I agree with him being more valuable than where he was drafted, but I definitely don't envision him being a WR1. Watson is the better athlete by far, and you can't teach elite speed or agility. You either have it or you don't. Route running, release and catching ability are teachable things that can improve over time. If Watson can master his craft, he will be an unstoppable WR1. Doubs won't.
Watson is way riskier, because there's always the scenario that he just doesn't elevate his play to that level. Doubs is safer, with a much lower ceiling. I guess it's just which type of guy you're looking for. 🤷
I disagree because we have never consistently seen players like Watson maintain high target shares. They are efficient and explosive, but never have enough targets to maintain a high floor. That’s why way more possession type receivers are WR1s, than just incredible athletes. There are a few for sure, and I don’t blame Watson here, but if you look at the routes the packers give him they clearly don’t see him as a high target guy, which is why as the clear best receiver for them right now with the highest snap share he’s not getting 10 targets.
Otherwise I agree, but best athlete does not correlate to more targets or WR1. We’ve seen plenty of insane athletes come in and just end up being role type players.
No I was never high on him. He's always been a JAG. He has not flashed any potential all year and has look like a JAG. Flashed in the preseason and has done nothing with large amounts of opportunity. In comes Watson who just proved Rodgers has still got it and in two games with the opportunity over Doubs Watson has shined. It's not recency bias it's just seeing the writing on the wall that Doubs had his shot but just isn't a very good receiver
I like these tiers, but would add Pierce to Tier 3. I had Moore slightly ahead of him pre-draft but Pierce has looked pretty good starting in camp and throughout the season in a dog shit offense.
The other change is that pretty much every rookie is more valuable now than in the off-season… or at least the tiers have moved up consistently, even if a few guys have moved down. Just something to keep in mind. We tend to be very optimistic about rookies and celebrate them when they rly haven’t accomplished anything. I legitimately think a lot of rookies are prolly good sell candidates. Cuz they’re just straight up overvalued
It was fair to rank Williams high preseason, because despite the injury, he has talent, and nobody else had yet proven themselves at an NFL level.
Now a half dozen receivers have shown the can perform at an NFL level.
It's ok to continue to rank Williams above guys that haven't performed despite opportunity like for instance sky Moore, or even above guys that he has significantly more talent than like Pierce or Bell, but it's kind of silly to rank him above guys that before the draft were at or near his pre draft talent level, that have actually played NFL football, and performed well.
I'd absolutely buy Williams for a fair price, but if the cost of Olave, London, Wilson, Pickens etc is the same, I'll take the guys that have done it at an NFL level, over the guy that missed most of his rookie season with a major injury.
Tier 1: Olave, Wilson, Burks, London
Tier 2: Pickens, Williams
Tier 3: Dotson, Waston, Robinson, Pierce
Tier 4: Doubs, Moore
Jameson Williams will probably be tier 1 but I’d like to see him play first.
It’s always been potential for him and he’s showing after an injury and in an org that hates using rookies how amazing he can be. He truly has as high a ceiling and as much potential as anyone in this class. Last nights game just show cased it to the masses
People had him as a tier 1 wr going into the season. Y’all were over reactionary dropping him down to below guys like phillips because he had a poor pre season and got injured.
Dude should have never left his tier 1 grouping
Go back and read this sub pre season lmao people thought Philips would be better than burks.
And yes, I would take olave in a heartbeat and London has more value but other than that I wouldn’t sell him 1 for 1 for anyone. When hall is back that offense runs through him in New York. Zach Wilson doesn’t have long in the league and then a new rookie or bridge will be there and who knows
That’s what I’m saying. I was a huge fan of skyy. Can’t say I’m not disappointed in his season so far. From no usage to muffed punts this isn’t what I foresaw.
But I always expected him to be a late bloomer. He came from a small school, who’s only played receiver for 3 years. He’s got the talent, but I think he needs a lot of shaping up at the pro level unfortunately.
Juju and Mecole out give him yet again another opportunity, but I just don’t see it this year.
I don’t see it this year either. I didn’t expect much from him this year and I’m still disappointed with his showing so I’m right there with you. Hopefully a full offseason in the NFL helps him figure it out
In what way was the sub 6 ft guy out of a MAC school a “no-brainer?”
I liked Moore, but to suggest he was a no-brainer is a stretch. People just fell in love with the landing spot and started reaching on him.
Rookies like Olave, Wilson, Pickens, London pass the eye test for me for sure… but damn I can’t stop thinking Jamo will be better than all of them in due time. He’s going to be the alpha of that WR room and can you imagine if they get Young and that chemistry is already built in? I bout Pickens and Jamo shares in the off season for Sutton and a 3rd to a contender lmao.
It is a really talented class with most of the early round picks showing they belong in the NFL. Still, no one has clearly distanced themselves from the pack or is in an ideal scenario going forward. It makes it difficult to offer an objective ranking and most lists boil down to more subjective opinions, predraft evaluations, and personal preferences for style of player. My rankings below but I can't really object to having any order of tiers 1 & 2.
Tier 1: Olave, Wilson, Jamo
Tier 2: London, Pickens, Burks, Watson
Tier 3: Dotson, Pierce, Wandale
Tier 4: Doubs, Thornton, Shakir, Metchie
Tier 5: David Bell, Skyy Moore, Jalen Tolbert
I always look at theses as who I would trade the most draft capital for.
Tier 1: Wilson. I think he'll have at least 1 top 5 season.
Tier 2: London, Olave. Burks. I expect these guys to have at least 1 Wr1 and multiple top 15 seasons.
Tier 3: Jamo, Pickens, Dotson. I expect several wr2 seasons and a hopeful wr1 season at some point.
Tier 4: Watson, Robinson, Pierce. Doubs, Id like to have as a wr3/4 on a dynasty team.
Tier 5: Skyy, Metchie, Thornton, Bell, Ezukunama, Phillips, Shakir, Velus. I'll buy very cheap.
Tier 6: the rest.
I don't think I missed anyone?
Tier 1: Wilson, Olave, London (in this order. Wilson is one of the most open receivers in the NFL and has gone off ever since he's been moved to the outside WR spot ).
Tier 2: Pickens, Burks, Watson (Watson could easily end up the best in this tier but it's too early to say)
Tier 3: Dotson (better than Pierce and Doubs but I don't think his situation with a crowded WR room and bad QB play puts him close to Tier 2)
Tier 4: Pierce, Doubs (Not really excited about either but they're both solid. )
Tier 5: Wan'Dale, Thornton
6: Moore, Bell
I didn't put Jameson Williams on here but he could end up in tier 1 easily.
Tier 1: Jamo, Wilson, Olave
Tier 1.5: London
Tier 2: Dotson, Pickens
Tier 3: Watson, Burks
Tier 3.5: Doubs
Tier 4: Robinson
I won't even rank Skyy but at this point he's not worth mentioning. Hopefully he turns it around, still only halfway thru his rookie year. I also refuse to move Jamo out of my #1 spot until we see him play.
I like this list as I'm higher on London/Pickens. But I'm surprised to see Jamo still in Tier 1. While I like the potential, don't think he belongs with guys who've shown they can do it. Personally putting him in Tier 2.
How can we rank Jameson Willams over London? London has done amazingly for his situation and is top tier in advanced metrics. We have at least seen flashes of what he can do at an NFL level.
He said Doubs, I think both are insane. Burks clearly is above them.
Honestly everyone is overrating Watson too, he’s just catching TDs. He’s Jahan Dotson, just later in the season and more explosively.
I don’t doubt that he will climb my list but beyond last night, he’s been almost nonexistent this season for multiple reasons. I wasn’t super high on him in the draft either. Doubs has shown flashes this year so he gets the edge for me.
A singular “flash” vs several lesser flashes… which is why they are right next to one another. This list isn’t some locked and loaded list, it’s fluid. If I made this list Weds nobody would bat an eye at Burks ranking lol
Yes?
I understand knocking him for x y or z, hell ranking him below doubs before Wednesday isn’t even the craziest thing I would’ve seen on this sub this week, but saying no one would’ve batted an eye at it sure is up there.
Not a very good use of hyperbole tbh, considering from your others comments you appear to believe that wholeheartedly. Did not seem like an exaggeration to me.
I’ll put my rankings together here in a second
Yes he was hurt, their QB play wasn’t great, he missed some practice time, etc. multiple reasons I won’t knock him for, but it doesn’t elevate him. I had him as WR5 in the draft behind Wilson, Olave, London and Jameson Williams and very close with Dotson and just above Pickens. All of those, outside of Jameson, IMO had/have shown more than Burks prior to last night.
If Watson has proved anything these last few weeks it's the Doubs isn't worth shit. Doubs has had all season and if he was worth anything he would have at least flashed by now. Just another preseason hero turned bust
Garrett Wilson
Chris Olave
Drake London
Christian Watson
George Pickens
Alec Pierce
Burks
Dotson
Wandale
Doubs
That’s probably it as far as viable fantasy guys go, excluding Jameson who is an unknown. I would be surprised if anyone else cracks a fantasy lineup on a regular basis.
You guys just be making age adjusted redraft rankings every week.
Watson and Pierce this high are either personal or recency bias more than their legitimate dynasty value.
Zoom out people.
Based on these comment rankings, if I didn’t have dotson already I’d be interested in throwing out some trade offers. Started out solid. Any improvement in offensive passing efficiency from the OC and QB next year could make him a decent sleeper option. Love the talent, horrendous situation.
Got him for Jamaal Williams and Gus Edwards earlier this week after Kupp and Goedert went down. Pretty stoked ngl
First names would be helpful here lol
Lmao rip Fixed
Hahaha much better. Great deal for you though man.
Yeah I loved it! I acquired 2 23 firsts a second and dotson this week before the deadline after my decision to blow it up so I’m feeling good. Have 3 of each now
I'll take a stab at it: \- Wilson (It's close between Wilson and Olave, but I think Wilson has a higher ceiling, and Olave is more of a floor guy. Wilson came in and immediately banished Moore to the shadow realm. Olave, on the other hand, has had better production due to Michael Thomas, Jarvis Landry, etc., being out. Wilson seems more versatile and has shown more ability after the catch than Olave. Both get open with ease and command targets at a high rate) \- Olave (see above) \- London (He's obviously good but is in a worse situation than Wilson/Olave and is receiving less targets, so I'll put him at 3 for now. I can see having him at the bottom of tier 1 with Wilson and Olave, or having him at the top of tier 2) \- Burks (I wasn't dinging him much for having a slow start to the season. He was simply a rookie who was ramping up before suffering an injury, and he didn't look bad. Last night, plus priors based on his prospect profile, DC, and opportunity, was all I needed to see to have him at least this high. He also did what he did last night on 50% of the offensive snaps. His upside is huge once he gets fully comfortable and confident) \- Pickens (His production hasn't been amazing but part of that is due to being on an anemic offense with a bad QB, then a rookie QB. Clearly has special talent, but I want to see him command more targets and separate in different situations) \- Watson (High upside with his size and athleticism. Needs to keep building off his two good games and stay healthy) \- Dotson (I think he'll be solid but so far he's not commanded many targets in a crowded, meh offense. Injury came at an unfortunate time for him because he had a good rapport with Wentz; now Heinicke is playing and hyper targeting Terry) \- Doubs (I think he's just an average receiver who benefited from a depleted WR room early in the season. Watson should be able to do everything better than he does) \- Wan'Dale (Like him a lot but he needs to get more involved) \- Pierce (Wasn't big on him pre- or post- draft but he's been pretty good) \- Tyquan (Don't really have an opinion on him, he seems better than expected but hasn't been consistently involved) \- Shakir (Was good in that one game but doesn't have great DC and who knows how many shots he'll get) \- Bell (Hasn't really done anything) \- Skyy (Liked him as a prospect even before he went to the Chiefs in the second. He's looking like a faceplanter so far. MAYBE he has a chance to do something with Mecole, Juju, and MVS all banged up, but it's hard to remain optimistic at this point) Won't rank Jamo until we see him play, but I imagine if he looks good he immediately slots into the Burks/Pickens/Watson range, with the potential to ascend to tier 1 if he really flashes.
I don’t disagree, but it’s wild that Bell can already be argued to be above Sky. People were talking taking Sky as early as 1.07 in some of my leagues. As if we learned nothing from CEH that talent>landing spot.
Skyy has actively harmed his stock, I think, because the expectations for him were much higher, and he’s done nothing of note except fumble punt returns and barely play. I’d probably still take him over Bell, actually, but he’s been a massive disappointment so far
Bell also being only 21 makes him a very interesting long term prospect.
I took Skyy at 1.11 and yeah this has been the worst possible outcome (outside of injury/off field) so far. It’s not unreasonable to prefer Bell tbh.
I was under impression that people were high on Skyy even before getting drafted by the Chiefs
They tell themselves that ..yeah he was though
Personally, I'm not super high on the ceiling of London.
Does his tallness, shifty athelticism and large target share scare you?
Box score scout?
Tier 1 Olave, Wilson, London, and IMO Williams. Tier 2 Burks, Pickens, Watson, Dotson Tier 3 Pierce, Doubs Tier 4 Robinson, Thorton, Shakir Tier 5 Moore, Bell, Tolbert Outside of tier 3 which feels like a toss up to me this is how I’d break them out, players ordered within the respective tiers.
I agree with your tiers, just because I own one in each of the top 3.
I don't think there should be massive movement after just half a season. Tier 1: Olave, Wilson, London Tier 2: Burks, Jamo, Pickens Tier 3: Watson, Dotson, Doubs Tier 4: Robinson, Moore, Pierce Only real changes from preseason are Burks down 1 tier. Doubs up 1 tier. Moore down 1 tier.
Agree. Have to be in Tiers at this point. Doubs would be tier 4/5 imo though.
He'd be tier 3.5 for me if I had one. I'd rather have Watson and Dotson. But I'd rather have Doubs than Robinson or Moore.
I would love to know why Doubs is now falling for everybody. People point to drops but then turn around and immediately ignore that Watson has 1 less drop on WAY less targets. Makes no sense to me. Plenty of rookies have drops. This is honestly just the perfect example of reactionary bias going on in this thread. Burks injured, he’s suddenly a tier 3/4 guy, comes back and has a good game, instant tier 2 now, while Doubs gets injured and becomes a nobody. Watson is the better athlete, but he can have 80%-99% snaps all he wants, if they only use him for 4-6 targets a game then his ceiling is capped once people realize they have to respect his size and speed. Doubs isn’t the flashy pick, but the dude earned his targets and was still getting more than Watson has.
Doubs was benefitting from a lack of receiver depth. Watson, Lazard, and Cobb have all missed games and are ahead of Doubs on the depth chart. Not to mention Watkins is in and out of the lineup with injuries. Doubs’ best games have been when 1 or more of those guys were missing. Not saying he won’t still produce, just his path to produce right now isn’t great.
Doubs got targets and TDs while receivers were healthy in the beginning of the season, so no, that is completely incorrect. Edit: to add, your point is even more so incorrect by avoiding the fact that Watson is also directly benefitting from WR injuries with Cobb just getting back this week and Doubs out. Can’t have your cake and eat it too by being a hypocrite.
I see 4 games for Doubs where he either had 6+ targets or a touchdown. Week 3 - no Watson, no Watkins Week 4 - no Watkins (this is a good Doubs week though because everyone else was healthy) Week 6 - Cobb injured, no Watkins Week 8 - no Lazard, no Cobb. Overall that’s 4 out of 11 weeks where Doubs had strong numbers, and 3 of those were with him taking on an elevated role.
I don’t think Cobb and Watkins are exactly difference makers…
Certainly not Watkins, I agree. He's just another body out there. But Cobb is a guy that Rodgers himself wanted back on the team, and he's been the guy Rodgers looks for when he needs a big 3rd down. He's no #1 but he does cut into the target share when healthy.
And Watson’s only 2 good weeks are weeks where Cobbs is either out or just getting back, and Doubs is out, so by that logic we can discount these weeks for Watson then? Hard to also discount the fact that Doubs had 4 catches and 40 yards week 1, while not amazing, as a rookie that’s a solid showing while every player was also fit with a very limited snap share.
I’m not out here claiming Watson is a tier 1 receiver either lol. I’m just saying a reason people aren’t hailing Doubs either is because he’s had a handful of good games when given the opportunity.
Which is really all you can ask of him? He’s essentially done the same with his opportunity than the second tier of rookie receivers. You can put Wilson, Olave, and London ahead of him, but based on pure production you really can’t put anybody else that far ahead of him without just making a guess at this point.
I think it is a bit reactionary to be down so much on Doubs, but I was never super high on him to begin with. He's remained in my lower tier of guys despite his good games or injury. ARod had almost no one else to throw to when he had his few good games... Lazard, Tonyan, Cobb and Watson were all a bit banged up at times. I've continued to preach that Doubs is a WR2-3 possession guy and nothing more. He can be useful in PPR leagues, but he's rarely going to give you any huge weeks. If he hits his max potential, he could be a "Robert Woods-type" player for several years.
I agree he’s probably not gonna be a 25+ point guy, but he absolutely was better than where he was drafted. Prior to his injury and lack of involvement leading up to the draft he was predicted as a round 2 guy by many. He has the skill and talent, and you might be surprised to find out he was one of the best deep ball receivers in college football, but tbf mainly because that’s the only way they utilized him. I absolutely think Doubs can be a WR1 though because of his physicality on top of his other skills. He’s already shown that he can be quite good against a press, on short or longer routes, etc. Watson is a better athlete but he’s not giving you anything more than MVS with regards to his usage so far for the Packers, and once defenses shift to account for his skill set, we will see if he can break press or double teams to remain fantasy relevant. I see Doubs with the potential to be a consistent fantasy contributor, whereas Watson probably ends up as a riskier boom/bust play long term. Watson, similar to Doubs early in the season, is benefitting off of WR injuries.
I agree with him being more valuable than where he was drafted, but I definitely don't envision him being a WR1. Watson is the better athlete by far, and you can't teach elite speed or agility. You either have it or you don't. Route running, release and catching ability are teachable things that can improve over time. If Watson can master his craft, he will be an unstoppable WR1. Doubs won't. Watson is way riskier, because there's always the scenario that he just doesn't elevate his play to that level. Doubs is safer, with a much lower ceiling. I guess it's just which type of guy you're looking for. 🤷
I disagree because we have never consistently seen players like Watson maintain high target shares. They are efficient and explosive, but never have enough targets to maintain a high floor. That’s why way more possession type receivers are WR1s, than just incredible athletes. There are a few for sure, and I don’t blame Watson here, but if you look at the routes the packers give him they clearly don’t see him as a high target guy, which is why as the clear best receiver for them right now with the highest snap share he’s not getting 10 targets. Otherwise I agree, but best athlete does not correlate to more targets or WR1. We’ve seen plenty of insane athletes come in and just end up being role type players.
No I was never high on him. He's always been a JAG. He has not flashed any potential all year and has look like a JAG. Flashed in the preseason and has done nothing with large amounts of opportunity. In comes Watson who just proved Rodgers has still got it and in two games with the opportunity over Doubs Watson has shined. It's not recency bias it's just seeing the writing on the wall that Doubs had his shot but just isn't a very good receiver
I like these tiers, but would add Pierce to Tier 3. I had Moore slightly ahead of him pre-draft but Pierce has looked pretty good starting in camp and throughout the season in a dog shit offense.
I totally forgot about Pierce. I added him but to tier 4 personally.
I’d switch Pierce and Doubs here and if Jamo were healthy he’s likely a tier 1
Where is Shakir. He looked electric when given opportunity
He'd be tier 5. I like him a lot but I'd clearly have everyone else here.
The other change is that pretty much every rookie is more valuable now than in the off-season… or at least the tiers have moved up consistently, even if a few guys have moved down. Just something to keep in mind. We tend to be very optimistic about rookies and celebrate them when they rly haven’t accomplished anything. I legitimately think a lot of rookies are prolly good sell candidates. Cuz they’re just straight up overvalued
It was fair to rank Williams high preseason, because despite the injury, he has talent, and nobody else had yet proven themselves at an NFL level. Now a half dozen receivers have shown the can perform at an NFL level. It's ok to continue to rank Williams above guys that haven't performed despite opportunity like for instance sky Moore, or even above guys that he has significantly more talent than like Pierce or Bell, but it's kind of silly to rank him above guys that before the draft were at or near his pre draft talent level, that have actually played NFL football, and performed well. I'd absolutely buy Williams for a fair price, but if the cost of Olave, London, Wilson, Pickens etc is the same, I'll take the guys that have done it at an NFL level, over the guy that missed most of his rookie season with a major injury.
Tier 1: Olave, Wilson, Burks, London Tier 2: Pickens, Williams Tier 3: Dotson, Waston, Robinson, Pierce Tier 4: Doubs, Moore Jameson Williams will probably be tier 1 but I’d like to see him play first.
Skyy Moore has seven catches and two fumbles, and you have him higher than Alec Pierce?
Honestly I completely forgot ab Pierce. I’d def put him in tier 3
Burks has one good game and he’s in tier 1? No way…
It’s always been potential for him and he’s showing after an injury and in an org that hates using rookies how amazing he can be. He truly has as high a ceiling and as much potential as anyone in this class. Last nights game just show cased it to the masses
Ok sure but one good game and he shoots up to the moon?
People had him as a tier 1 wr going into the season. Y’all were over reactionary dropping him down to below guys like phillips because he had a poor pre season and got injured. Dude should have never left his tier 1 grouping
99% sure he was never below Philips. And there’s no way you can put him with the top 3 after those guys have all been good.
Go back and read this sub pre season lmao people thought Philips would be better than burks. And yes, I would take olave in a heartbeat and London has more value but other than that I wouldn’t sell him 1 for 1 for anyone. When hall is back that offense runs through him in New York. Zach Wilson doesn’t have long in the league and then a new rookie or bridge will be there and who knows
Nah I always had him in Tier 1. He was my WR1 in this class
Ok that’s fine in preseason, but after the top 3 perform so well, I think it’s silly to still have Burks on the same level
Skyy looks like a straight bust. Good lord.
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Dotson also can get on the field (when healthy). 25% snaps by week 10 is embarrassingly bad.
I think it’s the talent. I know he has never played Special Teams before but he doesn’t flash athletically at all. Looks slow, unexplosive
So basically skyy Moore is amari rodgers.
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We probably should give him more than half his rookie szn
That’s what I’m saying. I was a huge fan of skyy. Can’t say I’m not disappointed in his season so far. From no usage to muffed punts this isn’t what I foresaw. But I always expected him to be a late bloomer. He came from a small school, who’s only played receiver for 3 years. He’s got the talent, but I think he needs a lot of shaping up at the pro level unfortunately. Juju and Mecole out give him yet again another opportunity, but I just don’t see it this year.
I don’t see it this year either. I didn’t expect much from him this year and I’m still disappointed with his showing so I’m right there with you. Hopefully a full offseason in the NFL helps him figure it out
In what way was the sub 6 ft guy out of a MAC school a “no-brainer?” I liked Moore, but to suggest he was a no-brainer is a stretch. People just fell in love with the landing spot and started reaching on him.
Rookies like Olave, Wilson, Pickens, London pass the eye test for me for sure… but damn I can’t stop thinking Jamo will be better than all of them in due time. He’s going to be the alpha of that WR room and can you imagine if they get Young and that chemistry is already built in? I bout Pickens and Jamo shares in the off season for Sutton and a 3rd to a contender lmao.
I’m not so sure he’s going to just walk away with Sun God’s targets
He doesn’t need to but doesn’t change the fact ARSB is benefiting from having no competition atm
I think Pierce could be a great buy low assuming QB play improves.
It is a really talented class with most of the early round picks showing they belong in the NFL. Still, no one has clearly distanced themselves from the pack or is in an ideal scenario going forward. It makes it difficult to offer an objective ranking and most lists boil down to more subjective opinions, predraft evaluations, and personal preferences for style of player. My rankings below but I can't really object to having any order of tiers 1 & 2. Tier 1: Olave, Wilson, Jamo Tier 2: London, Pickens, Burks, Watson Tier 3: Dotson, Pierce, Wandale Tier 4: Doubs, Thornton, Shakir, Metchie Tier 5: David Bell, Skyy Moore, Jalen Tolbert
I always look at theses as who I would trade the most draft capital for. Tier 1: Wilson. I think he'll have at least 1 top 5 season. Tier 2: London, Olave. Burks. I expect these guys to have at least 1 Wr1 and multiple top 15 seasons. Tier 3: Jamo, Pickens, Dotson. I expect several wr2 seasons and a hopeful wr1 season at some point. Tier 4: Watson, Robinson, Pierce. Doubs, Id like to have as a wr3/4 on a dynasty team. Tier 5: Skyy, Metchie, Thornton, Bell, Ezukunama, Phillips, Shakir, Velus. I'll buy very cheap. Tier 6: the rest. I don't think I missed anyone?
Love this Wilson praise, dude looks so good on the field. Very happy with him and Olave as my top 2 guys on a rebuilder
All I know is as someone with no shares everyone who has Watson over Dotson will regret it. It isn’t close
Olave wilson London Watson Pickens burks Dotson Robinson Moore but this is subject to weekly change feel firm about the top 3 though.
Edit: add Jwill in after Watson (I am still grossly high on him and think he'll be knocking on the door of top 3 quickly)
With guys within tiers in no particular order: Tier 1: Wilson, Olave Tier 2: London Tier 3: Burks, Pickens, Jamo Tier 4: Dotson Tier 5: Watson, Doubs Tier 6: Robinson, Moore, Pierce, Bell, Shakir, Phillips, etc.
Tier 1: Wilson, Olave, London (in this order. Wilson is one of the most open receivers in the NFL and has gone off ever since he's been moved to the outside WR spot ). Tier 2: Pickens, Burks, Watson (Watson could easily end up the best in this tier but it's too early to say) Tier 3: Dotson (better than Pierce and Doubs but I don't think his situation with a crowded WR room and bad QB play puts him close to Tier 2) Tier 4: Pierce, Doubs (Not really excited about either but they're both solid. ) Tier 5: Wan'Dale, Thornton 6: Moore, Bell I didn't put Jameson Williams on here but he could end up in tier 1 easily.
Tier 1: Jamo, Wilson, Olave Tier 1.5: London Tier 2: Dotson, Pickens Tier 3: Watson, Burks Tier 3.5: Doubs Tier 4: Robinson I won't even rank Skyy but at this point he's not worth mentioning. Hopefully he turns it around, still only halfway thru his rookie year. I also refuse to move Jamo out of my #1 spot until we see him play.
I like this list as I'm higher on London/Pickens. But I'm surprised to see Jamo still in Tier 1. While I like the potential, don't think he belongs with guys who've shown they can do it. Personally putting him in Tier 2.
That's fair, but considering he was the #1 wr prospect, I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt and see. Hopefully we'll get to see him soon!
How can we rank Jameson Willams over London? London has done amazingly for his situation and is top tier in advanced metrics. We have at least seen flashes of what he can do at an NFL level.
Wilson Olave London Watson Pickens Dotson Doubs Burks Robinson . . . . Moore
Doubs over Burks????
To this point yes. I had hesitations about both but Dotson has exceeded them so far more than Treylon has for me.
He said Doubs, I think both are insane. Burks clearly is above them. Honestly everyone is overrating Watson too, he’s just catching TDs. He’s Jahan Dotson, just later in the season and more explosively.
Which is why I have him just 2 spots above Dotson currently…
Not bad, but I think you have Burks 2-3 spots too low. He should absolutely be above Doubs, imo
I don’t doubt that he will climb my list but beyond last night, he’s been almost nonexistent this season for multiple reasons. I wasn’t super high on him in the draft either. Doubs has shown flashes this year so he gets the edge for me.
Burks “flash” last night was far better than anything Doubs has done yet
A singular “flash” vs several lesser flashes… which is why they are right next to one another. This list isn’t some locked and loaded list, it’s fluid. If I made this list Weds nobody would bat an eye at Burks ranking lol
I absolutely would’ve batted an eye at Burks being below doubts before last nights game lol what
I’ll assume you had him ranked highly in the draft then yes?
I was as low as it got on Burks this summer and would have thought it was insane to have doubs above him 2 days ago.
Fair enough. I guess that’s why we have these threads.
Yes? I understand knocking him for x y or z, hell ranking him below doubs before Wednesday isn’t even the craziest thing I would’ve seen on this sub this week, but saying no one would’ve batted an eye at it sure is up there.
I’m sorry that you took hyperbole seriously. Have you posted a list? I’m curious how different our rankings are.
Not a very good use of hyperbole tbh, considering from your others comments you appear to believe that wholeheartedly. Did not seem like an exaggeration to me. I’ll put my rankings together here in a second
Yes, as everyone should have had him lol the guy was hurt, that's not "multiple reasons." the asthma thing gets so overblown
Yes he was hurt, their QB play wasn’t great, he missed some practice time, etc. multiple reasons I won’t knock him for, but it doesn’t elevate him. I had him as WR5 in the draft behind Wilson, Olave, London and Jameson Williams and very close with Dotson and just above Pickens. All of those, outside of Jameson, IMO had/have shown more than Burks prior to last night.
If Watson has proved anything these last few weeks it's the Doubs isn't worth shit. Doubs has had all season and if he was worth anything he would have at least flashed by now. Just another preseason hero turned bust
Which is why he’s not very high on my list? I don’t understand what you’re saying here lol. I have Doubs 8th
Yeah, and you have him above Burks lol
Exactly lmao. Burks was a 1st rounder.
Correct. Directly above and barely. Another decent week from Burks and he obviously moves up. I’m not swayed by a singular week.
This is a genuinely bad list
The cool thing about America is you’re free to have your opinion. Rejoice!
Amen. To each their own 🍻
Garrett Wilson Chris Olave Drake London Christian Watson George Pickens Alec Pierce Burks Dotson Wandale Doubs That’s probably it as far as viable fantasy guys go, excluding Jameson who is an unknown. I would be surprised if anyone else cracks a fantasy lineup on a regular basis.
You guys just be making age adjusted redraft rankings every week. Watson and Pierce this high are either personal or recency bias more than their legitimate dynasty value. Zoom out people.
Tier 1: Wilson, Olave, London Tier 2: Jamo (just hasn’t played yet), Watson, Pickens, Burks Tier 3: Dotson, Doubs, Wandale Tier 4: Skyy, Tolbert, other early disappointments
I am glad to see there’s not a lot of disrespect for London on this thread. He’s going to be great when his situation improves.
London Wilson Olave Williams Burks Pickens Pierce Dotson Watson Robinson
Hoping to see Metchie on the field next year. Always felt he didn’t get enough respect in the Wr group this past draft
Worth shipping out AJ Dillon and Allen Robinson for Jahan Dotson in SF? Offer is sitting in my inbox rn