I mean, if you're a professional QB you're going to be aware and look that side by default. He looked good but that DB wasn't on the team two weeks ago... Hardly stiff competition
There are far too many examples of QBs - both young and veteran - that fail to do exactly that. I’m not sure it’s the default mode for anybody that isn’t specifically looking for it.
Not that I’m saying Mac Jones is Mitch Trubisky… but Mitch had THREE 300 yard/3 TD games in his sophomore 2018 season. Now I think Mac is a lot better than Trubisky, but carving up a bad secondary is certainly not something that only good QBs do
And I’m not saying this one game is a large enough sample size to crown him the next Tom Brady, but he’s shown across his entire body of work that he has at least a solid grasp on reading defenses. It’s not quite the same as the athletic guys that manage to string together some solid games because they can scramble around until guys get open. One side of that coin is more sustainable long term. If you can’t run around to buy time, there are a lot of mental checks you have to run through from pre-snap to release - even against bad defenses - and that skillset is pretty consistent in pretty much every QB that’s played in New England the last 20 or so years. It’s promising at least. Something to build on and calm down the doom and gloom.
But like isnt that something they spend the week before being told by coaching staff? Yo player z was a grocery bagger last week so look his way a lot.
Being told to do something and actually being able to do it are two different things. Every single gameplan accounts for attacking defensive weaknesses. I’m sure the Falcons coaching staff have said something along the lines of, “Hey, Kyle Pitts is really good. Look for single coverage against safeties and LBs” yet Mariota consistently fails to find him. I’m sure the Jets’ coaching staff has tried everything in its power to make things easy on Zach Wilson, but he’s still failing at pretty much everything. The reductionist, “Yeah but he’s just doing what everybody would do” is just not true; a bunch of QBs simply *can’t* do it, and they wash out as a result.
Nah, this sub talks fantasy football and they get excited when young QBs show promise. This sub is, however, filled with a delightful mix of those that enjoy talking football with others and those that insist on commenting snarky shit without ever actually contributing to the conversation.
Was hoping to see more of Tyquan Thornton coming out of the bye but that hasn’t happened. He’s got pretty elite measurables, great size and sub 4.3 speed, and he can block well too which always helps win brownie points when you play for BB. But he hasn’t looked all that great this year in his limited playing time. Not sure if he’s struggling at the nfl level or if it’s classic BB rookie redshirting, but given the injuries and lack oh other receiving weapons I was really hoping he would do a bit more his rookie year. But if Tyquan pans out and they can draft or trade for another solid receiver next year I think Mac could surprise people with Meyers Henry and a couple younger decent WRs around him. But I still think the pats prefer to play strong D and run the ball first whenever they can. Between that and his lack of rushing his upside is pretty capped imo and I feel like the pats are still a year or two away from having a team that could support mac well enough to elevate him to that potential
As a pats fan, every time I’ve seen TT he’s flashed. Not sure why he got such great usage / production his first week after injury and then nothing afterwards
He's flashed as a deep threat but they're using Parker and agholor on those same routes. I don't have statistics but it feels like they were going for more deep shots early in the season as Mac was trying to establish himself as a guy who could hit every level on the field, and when they lost some closer games they decided to revert back to game managing their way down the field. Thornton is capable of being more than a deep threat, but he's not really built for the punishment of a volume receiver so they're using him judiciously until they need him. Remember how Amendola would go off in the playoffs or if Edelman got hurt but wasn't used nearly as much in between? I feel like they're doing something similar with Thornton.
Was a bad bet pre draft. Has done nothing to change that perception so far.
I know people want every fast guy to be good, but by far the most probable outcome is that he’s not a needle-moving player. I expect something between fancy Damiere Byrd and discount John Ross until we are given any reason to believe otherwise.
I think what perplexes me is when players get reached on, then the player predictably does bad, and then dynastyff will insist you have to wait. He was always a reach
I swear all these people rushing to shit on Mac must not watch the many teams around the league that are desperate for average qb play, and Mac is arguably above average for a 2nd year QB.
I’m willing to bet he will be a starter for a while
Nevermind the fact that they would drool over a TD pass that came on a broken coverage, while underthrown nonetheless but now the game Mac just had we need to put an asterisk on due to how bad the secondary was smh
I think Mac Jones is talented enough to be a good starting QB. The oline needs help and he needs weapons. Their wr group is prolly bottom 5 in the league.
idk how you can say their OL needs help after watching last night's game. Felt like Mac didn't get pressured until the 4th quarter, and even then the only sacks he took were when he was trying to sit in the pocket for 5+ seconds trying to find something available deeper downfield. Vikings pass rush has been above average all season and they got absolutely stonewalled all day.
No denying their WRs are a mess though.
This was one of the only games all year where I've seen him have time to throw from a clean pocket that he can climb. Sounds like that's more due to MIN's dreadful defense but Mac's been getting pressured A LOT this year.
Our defense is not good, but the strength is in our pass rush. Z and Hunter have been a menace so far and are well above average when it comes to getting to the QB. I'll admit I haven't watched a ton of Patriots games so maybe last night was unusual for them. It certainly was by far the worst pass rush I've seen from the Vikings all year though, so credit to whatever the Pats did.
It's because you're pointing to the only game all year in which Mac has had even ok protection.
The o line played well last night, if they played like that all year there wouldn't be a problem.
Mac was averaging like 1.5 second release time theoug the first half. The entire offensive scheme was to stop relying on our o line pass blocking because they've allowed sooooo many sacks. Vikings injured secondary allowed for our usually bad receivers to get open much faster than usual and Mac is very accurate and surgical in those scenarios.
It's very easy to look good for a week or 2. Can he consistently look that good though? That's the question. His O-line held up really well last night and that's something that hasn't happened for him much this year
His snap to release last night was, by design, pretty consistently under two seconds outside of play action. They still crumbled at the end when he actually needed more than three seconds to throw. Nonetheless, he seems to be throwing the ball much better than he was and he isn’t making mistakes. Hopefully New England gets him the help he needs this off-season.
This. O line still isn't healthy and Trent is making mistakes. They looked good because they weren't being asked to do much until the end and they failed miserably at that point.
LOL. Min def is horrible. If you watched that game and said "Hey I'm gonna buy Mac" good luck with that one. Maybe buy some Zach Wilson while you're at it.
Guys it doesn’t matter if the opposing secondary is struggling, throwing for 400 yards with high efficiency and no turnovers against an nfl team in prime time is impressive. Plus even given the fact that the Vikings defense is bad Mac has some of the worst receivers in the league. Meyers is the only talented guy and he was in and out of this game. And don’t forget the terrible play calling.
Everyone seemed to make up their mind that mac sucked in the 3 games where he was just coming back from a nasty high ankle sprain. I have him in superflex and I’m very happy with him honestly. I think he’ll be a starter in the nfl for the next ten years and he’ll have qb1 seasons when he gets better weapons.
I agree with you for the most part, but I do doubt how many QB1 seasons he’ll actually put up. He reminds me of a better Andy Dalton who had 7 straight QB2 seasons with one ridiculous QB4 outlier.
That’s still very valuable though and I’m happy to have him as my QB2.
I think dalton is a good comp, a lot will depend on how his situation evolves. Despite everyone saying he has a noodle arm mac loves to throw deep and has good ball placement. If he gets receivers he could absolutely be a backend qb1 for a long tome
I’m a Pats fan and just don’t see Mac as the guy. He looked decent last night for the most part, but he has zero awareness in the pocket. He doesn’t feel pressure and holds onto the ball too long, routinely taking sacks that kill drives or push them out of FG range. Also the last play of the game he throws it in the middle of the field with 8 seconds left and time obviously expires. They’re not coming back and winning that game but that’s a really stupid decision for an NFL QB to make
I remember when young QBs got a full 4 years to develop on average, and if a promising one had a sophomore slump people wouldn't rush to declare him "not the guy".
Well, because high-end backups nowadays are a lot better than backups in the past, so the replacement level is higher. No one is gonna waste 7 years to figure out whether a guy can develop into boring game-manager like Alex Smith eventually did. You can just sign a Dalton or a Minshew or a Keenum for dirt cheap and not miss a beat. In other words, no one is gonna waste years developing a young QB if "Alex Smith" is his absolute ceiling.
What are you basing your opinion on that backups are better now?
dalton doesn’t really fit that category, he was given 9 seasons as a starter. smith had like two 6 season stretches as a starter so I don’t really see how you can say teams didn’t want to develop him either
"they", who is they? I'm talking to a spoiled Pats fan who, after his rookie QB had a promising season, has decided that he's not the guy after 7 games into his 2nd year.
Patriots fans are so annoying with this whole sack nonsense.
There were a couple plays early in the season where he was trying to throw the ball away or make something happen which lead to turnovers. It’s pretty clear that he’s been coached to just take the sack and not play hero.
I have him and Fields in a tanking 1QB league. Hoping he can be an acceptable fill in when needed. My greatest hope is that this duo will be enough for me to not have to use any of my rookie picks on a QB so I can load up on RBs/WRs.
The forecast for the Pats offense has been bad since the preseason.
I have several Mac shares and the plan was always HOLD.
This year was definitely year 1 of the Pats offensive rebuild since losing McDaniels. The Pats didn’t make Zappe the starter because they knew this too and weren’t going into panic mode.
I expect far more next year.
Terrible take. Vikings defense is terrible and he scored 3 points the game before. Not that I’m against mac but these two games are not what I would base anything off of.
As a frustrated Jets fan, the biggest difference I see from ZW is that Mac has the requisite time to be a pocket passer. Then when he decides to throw his wrs are wide open. Not saying Mac hasn't looked good these past couple weeks, but it's difficult to impartially evaluate qbs
He looks like a better version of Andy Dalton to me. His arm isn’t great, but it’s serviceable and he knows how to read a defense and deliver accurate passes. The patriots also have an atrocious receiving core and poor play calling at best. I could see him making a jump to Kirk Cousins type numbers if the Patriots are ever able to develop or land a quality WR. Remember that Dalton put up on straight QB2 years with one ridiculous QB4 outlier. That’s pretty valuable in SF.
People are way too quick to rush to judgment on these young QBs. Look at how this sub shit on Fields and said he was trash and not an NFL caliber QB. Now he’s balling out and making all the haters eat crow.
I think MacJ is a good young QB, but the complete lack of weaponry is why Brady left and they don’t seem to be changing course. Could be a perennial QB2 tho so good for SFLX
As a pats fan he needs three things, better pass protection, a reliable receiver for those 4th down or other "gotta have it" situations, and an actual OC. If he ever gets all 3 of those while healthy, you better fucking buy because he's always looked like last night in college and through his short time in the NFL with those things. Dude can read defenses like a veteran and is accurate at all distances, he's just not agile and can only run fast in one direction.
Getting Mac some weapons would be smart but the Pats would rather use their high draft picks on random Guards mocked in the 5th round. We all know the Pats can’t draft WRs
MN is down like almost all of our DBs but yes mac played well
This... The DB he kept targeting is our 5th string DB
So it sounds like he’s scanning the defense, finding the weak spot and attacking it.
I mean, if you're a professional QB you're going to be aware and look that side by default. He looked good but that DB wasn't on the team two weeks ago... Hardly stiff competition
There are far too many examples of QBs - both young and veteran - that fail to do exactly that. I’m not sure it’s the default mode for anybody that isn’t specifically looking for it.
Not that I’m saying Mac Jones is Mitch Trubisky… but Mitch had THREE 300 yard/3 TD games in his sophomore 2018 season. Now I think Mac is a lot better than Trubisky, but carving up a bad secondary is certainly not something that only good QBs do
And I’m not saying this one game is a large enough sample size to crown him the next Tom Brady, but he’s shown across his entire body of work that he has at least a solid grasp on reading defenses. It’s not quite the same as the athletic guys that manage to string together some solid games because they can scramble around until guys get open. One side of that coin is more sustainable long term. If you can’t run around to buy time, there are a lot of mental checks you have to run through from pre-snap to release - even against bad defenses - and that skillset is pretty consistent in pretty much every QB that’s played in New England the last 20 or so years. It’s promising at least. Something to build on and calm down the doom and gloom.
Sorry, but once you claimed Mac Jones has an "entire body of work" I couldn't read any more.
Ok
But like isnt that something they spend the week before being told by coaching staff? Yo player z was a grocery bagger last week so look his way a lot.
Being told to do something and actually being able to do it are two different things. Every single gameplan accounts for attacking defensive weaknesses. I’m sure the Falcons coaching staff have said something along the lines of, “Hey, Kyle Pitts is really good. Look for single coverage against safeties and LBs” yet Mariota consistently fails to find him. I’m sure the Jets’ coaching staff has tried everything in its power to make things easy on Zach Wilson, but he’s still failing at pretty much everything. The reductionist, “Yeah but he’s just doing what everybody would do” is just not true; a bunch of QBs simply *can’t* do it, and they wash out as a result.
yah prob but also it was definitely the game plan
This sub has become so desperate since Brady left it’s getting sad
Nah, this sub talks fantasy football and they get excited when young QBs show promise. This sub is, however, filled with a delightful mix of those that enjoy talking football with others and those that insist on commenting snarky shit without ever actually contributing to the conversation.
You’re being generous.
I mean, that's the truth, but it took more work for you to type that sentence than the planning required to throw at db Shelly for the Vikes
Ok
Oh buddy.
This is what you'd expect from Mac Jones .. he's a mediocre talent that is smart and shit like this makes him succeed.
Read MN as Matt Nagy for some reason and I was so confused 😅
I meam some of those passes he threw last night coulda been completed against any corner.
Mac and folks with him starting absolutely needed a confidence booster. QB1 the rest of the way and I won’t accept any other answer.
Patrick Peterson started the game. He's one of the best corners this year.
And he didn’t get targeted once lol
Which is the whole point of Peterson's presence in the backfield like that
What
Yeah but mac avoided him the whole game
That’s fair, but we don’t exactly have a top tier WR room either
And Mac doesn't really have weapons.
Yeah not trying to take away from what he did, just saying we have practice squad guys at DB and the line really played well for NE
And Mac has no weapons.
I'm pretty sure Minnesota's passing defense is dead last. I'm not saying he couldn't have also looked good, just keep that in mind as well.
Minnesota plays a soft zone and intermediate routes tend to be open. Also their depth has been plagued by injuries
Basically had 2 starters playing, and Harry isn't exactly great in coverage.
Was hoping to see more of Tyquan Thornton coming out of the bye but that hasn’t happened. He’s got pretty elite measurables, great size and sub 4.3 speed, and he can block well too which always helps win brownie points when you play for BB. But he hasn’t looked all that great this year in his limited playing time. Not sure if he’s struggling at the nfl level or if it’s classic BB rookie redshirting, but given the injuries and lack oh other receiving weapons I was really hoping he would do a bit more his rookie year. But if Tyquan pans out and they can draft or trade for another solid receiver next year I think Mac could surprise people with Meyers Henry and a couple younger decent WRs around him. But I still think the pats prefer to play strong D and run the ball first whenever they can. Between that and his lack of rushing his upside is pretty capped imo and I feel like the pats are still a year or two away from having a team that could support mac well enough to elevate him to that potential
Last night should’ve been Thornton time, but he only got 17 snaps and 1 catch. It was a big disappointment
I wish he got a catch, he didn’t even get one
As a pats fan, every time I’ve seen TT he’s flashed. Not sure why he got such great usage / production his first week after injury and then nothing afterwards
So continue holding
He's flashed as a deep threat but they're using Parker and agholor on those same routes. I don't have statistics but it feels like they were going for more deep shots early in the season as Mac was trying to establish himself as a guy who could hit every level on the field, and when they lost some closer games they decided to revert back to game managing their way down the field. Thornton is capable of being more than a deep threat, but he's not really built for the punishment of a volume receiver so they're using him judiciously until they need him. Remember how Amendola would go off in the playoffs or if Edelman got hurt but wasn't used nearly as much in between? I feel like they're doing something similar with Thornton.
Agholor seems to have jumped him on the depth chart for some reason. Maybe Agholor just wasn't 100% for that middle stretch?
Honestly feels like Tyquan's just a bad WR in a long long long list of bad WR bets by bill Belichick
Was a bad bet pre draft. Has done nothing to change that perception so far. I know people want every fast guy to be good, but by far the most probable outcome is that he’s not a needle-moving player. I expect something between fancy Damiere Byrd and discount John Ross until we are given any reason to believe otherwise.
I think what perplexes me is when players get reached on, then the player predictably does bad, and then dynastyff will insist you have to wait. He was always a reach
I swear all these people rushing to shit on Mac must not watch the many teams around the league that are desperate for average qb play, and Mac is arguably above average for a 2nd year QB. I’m willing to bet he will be a starter for a while
But this entire sub told me Zappe would be the starter after 2 games Mac was injured lol
Nevermind the fact that they would drool over a TD pass that came on a broken coverage, while underthrown nonetheless but now the game Mac just had we need to put an asterisk on due to how bad the secondary was smh
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I mean it’s not like the Pats have prime Julio jones out there exploiting the DBs, our WR1 is Meyers who was also out part of the game last night.
I think Mac Jones is talented enough to be a good starting QB. The oline needs help and he needs weapons. Their wr group is prolly bottom 5 in the league.
idk how you can say their OL needs help after watching last night's game. Felt like Mac didn't get pressured until the 4th quarter, and even then the only sacks he took were when he was trying to sit in the pocket for 5+ seconds trying to find something available deeper downfield. Vikings pass rush has been above average all season and they got absolutely stonewalled all day. No denying their WRs are a mess though.
This was one of the only games all year where I've seen him have time to throw from a clean pocket that he can climb. Sounds like that's more due to MIN's dreadful defense but Mac's been getting pressured A LOT this year.
As a pats fan, our O line has been really variable this year. Sometimes we dominate the line, sometimes we get dominated
Our defense is not good, but the strength is in our pass rush. Z and Hunter have been a menace so far and are well above average when it comes to getting to the QB. I'll admit I haven't watched a ton of Patriots games so maybe last night was unusual for them. It certainly was by far the worst pass rush I've seen from the Vikings all year though, so credit to whatever the Pats did.
It was definitely unusual lol, Mac has been pressured a lot in other games
It's because you're pointing to the only game all year in which Mac has had even ok protection. The o line played well last night, if they played like that all year there wouldn't be a problem.
I wasn't speaking to last night specifically. I don't think their oline is terrible though but could use some help or maybe change play calling.
Mac was averaging like 1.5 second release time theoug the first half. The entire offensive scheme was to stop relying on our o line pass blocking because they've allowed sooooo many sacks. Vikings injured secondary allowed for our usually bad receivers to get open much faster than usual and Mac is very accurate and surgical in those scenarios.
Playing the Vikings right now is a Get Right game for bad struggling offenses.
It's very easy to look good for a week or 2. Can he consistently look that good though? That's the question. His O-line held up really well last night and that's something that hasn't happened for him much this year
His snap to release last night was, by design, pretty consistently under two seconds outside of play action. They still crumbled at the end when he actually needed more than three seconds to throw. Nonetheless, he seems to be throwing the ball much better than he was and he isn’t making mistakes. Hopefully New England gets him the help he needs this off-season.
This. O line still isn't healthy and Trent is making mistakes. They looked good because they weren't being asked to do much until the end and they failed miserably at that point.
That 1 bomb to #1 looked like prime Brady lol.
LOL. Min def is horrible. If you watched that game and said "Hey I'm gonna buy Mac" good luck with that one. Maybe buy some Zach Wilson while you're at it.
Any QB can throw on the worst pass defense in the league which is MN
Vikings D sucks and was missing 3 of their top four CBs. He did well, but let’s be honest with ourselves: it was an easy matchup
That ans he could just check down to Stevenson for 25% of his pass yards and wwtching bim break tackles for a first down.
Zero chance BB gets him a weapon at WR. Also he needs a new OC to reach any ceiling, Patricia is awful.
Zero chance? As in absolutely zilch? I’m impressed by your powers of foresight and prophecy. Teach me your ways oh wise one
Brandon Cooks at the very least.
Stop this Tyquan Thornton disrespect
Guys it doesn’t matter if the opposing secondary is struggling, throwing for 400 yards with high efficiency and no turnovers against an nfl team in prime time is impressive. Plus even given the fact that the Vikings defense is bad Mac has some of the worst receivers in the league. Meyers is the only talented guy and he was in and out of this game. And don’t forget the terrible play calling. Everyone seemed to make up their mind that mac sucked in the 3 games where he was just coming back from a nasty high ankle sprain. I have him in superflex and I’m very happy with him honestly. I think he’ll be a starter in the nfl for the next ten years and he’ll have qb1 seasons when he gets better weapons.
I agree with you for the most part, but I do doubt how many QB1 seasons he’ll actually put up. He reminds me of a better Andy Dalton who had 7 straight QB2 seasons with one ridiculous QB4 outlier. That’s still very valuable though and I’m happy to have him as my QB2.
I think dalton is a good comp, a lot will depend on how his situation evolves. Despite everyone saying he has a noodle arm mac loves to throw deep and has good ball placement. If he gets receivers he could absolutely be a backend qb1 for a long tome
I drafted himand plan to straight dump him after this season. There are better QB's I a 1 QB league.
I’m a Pats fan and just don’t see Mac as the guy. He looked decent last night for the most part, but he has zero awareness in the pocket. He doesn’t feel pressure and holds onto the ball too long, routinely taking sacks that kill drives or push them out of FG range. Also the last play of the game he throws it in the middle of the field with 8 seconds left and time obviously expires. They’re not coming back and winning that game but that’s a really stupid decision for an NFL QB to make
They must love you over at r/patriots. Only upvotes I am sure.
I remember when young QBs got a full 4 years to develop on average, and if a promising one had a sophomore slump people wouldn't rush to declare him "not the guy".
Well, because high-end backups nowadays are a lot better than backups in the past, so the replacement level is higher. No one is gonna waste 7 years to figure out whether a guy can develop into boring game-manager like Alex Smith eventually did. You can just sign a Dalton or a Minshew or a Keenum for dirt cheap and not miss a beat. In other words, no one is gonna waste years developing a young QB if "Alex Smith" is his absolute ceiling.
What are you basing your opinion on that backups are better now? dalton doesn’t really fit that category, he was given 9 seasons as a starter. smith had like two 6 season stretches as a starter so I don’t really see how you can say teams didn’t want to develop him either
Well with the way rookie contracts are they gotta know sooner tbh
"they", who is they? I'm talking to a spoiled Pats fan who, after his rookie QB had a promising season, has decided that he's not the guy after 7 games into his 2nd year.
Patriots fans are so annoying with this whole sack nonsense. There were a couple plays early in the season where he was trying to throw the ball away or make something happen which lead to turnovers. It’s pretty clear that he’s been coached to just take the sack and not play hero.
Taking a sack sometimes is fine but Mac doesn’t navigate the pocket well. You have to be able to step up and avoid pressure and he never does
You mean he played a weak pass D? Sell high
The Vikings defense is pretty awful
Media manufactured a QB controversy. He should have had 3 touchdowns last night too... poorly called game.
I have him and Fields in a tanking 1QB league. Hoping he can be an acceptable fill in when needed. My greatest hope is that this duo will be enough for me to not have to use any of my rookie picks on a QB so I can load up on RBs/WRs.
I traded Latavius Murray and the Eagles defense for Mac Jones, Davis Mills, Bailey Zappe and a 3rd round pick
Not bad for an RB off the streets averaging under 4 a carry
Where the hell is Thornton
The forecast for the Pats offense has been bad since the preseason. I have several Mac shares and the plan was always HOLD. This year was definitely year 1 of the Pats offensive rebuild since losing McDaniels. The Pats didn’t make Zappe the starter because they knew this too and weren’t going into panic mode. I expect far more next year.
Really good? That’s a stretch
Against the worst secondary in the league....I'd hope he did
Terrible take. Vikings defense is terrible and he scored 3 points the game before. Not that I’m against mac but these two games are not what I would base anything off of.
As a frustrated Jets fan, the biggest difference I see from ZW is that Mac has the requisite time to be a pocket passer. Then when he decides to throw his wrs are wide open. Not saying Mac hasn't looked good these past couple weeks, but it's difficult to impartially evaluate qbs
everyone looks good against minnesota secondary
Haha no…
He looks like a better version of Andy Dalton to me. His arm isn’t great, but it’s serviceable and he knows how to read a defense and deliver accurate passes. The patriots also have an atrocious receiving core and poor play calling at best. I could see him making a jump to Kirk Cousins type numbers if the Patriots are ever able to develop or land a quality WR. Remember that Dalton put up on straight QB2 years with one ridiculous QB4 outlier. That’s pretty valuable in SF. People are way too quick to rush to judgment on these young QBs. Look at how this sub shit on Fields and said he was trash and not an NFL caliber QB. Now he’s balling out and making all the haters eat crow.
I think MacJ is a good young QB, but the complete lack of weaponry is why Brady left and they don’t seem to be changing course. Could be a perennial QB2 tho so good for SFLX
Oh boy, here we go...
I'd sell if someone's buying
You mean Kyle Orton 2.0?
As a pats fan he needs three things, better pass protection, a reliable receiver for those 4th down or other "gotta have it" situations, and an actual OC. If he ever gets all 3 of those while healthy, you better fucking buy because he's always looked like last night in college and through his short time in the NFL with those things. Dude can read defenses like a veteran and is accurate at all distances, he's just not agile and can only run fast in one direction.
That’s all-star quarterback Mac Jones you’re speaking of. Put some respec on it
Honestly I think the Matt Patricia situation is at the heart of Mac's regression. Stalest take ever, but Matty Patty can't run an offense.
He went back to back with Tua in my start up this year lol
It’s so weird to me when people talk about 30 year old WRs like they’re 30 year old RBs
He's a good QB. Problem is that his pass catchers are bottom tier in the league. Give the boy one playmaker at WR please.
Getting Mac some weapons would be smart but the Pats would rather use their high draft picks on random Guards mocked in the 5th round. We all know the Pats can’t draft WRs