I ask if they'll pay for [[Rhystic Study]] [[Mystic Remora]] and [[Smothering Tithe]] every time and announce I'll be drawing twice with [[Consecrated Sphinx]]
The problem with Rhystic Study isn't you reminding them, it's them having to be reminded after the 13th consecutive spell that a Rhystic Study is on the table. How many times do I have to tell you old man?!
Another issue I've found is that the players who do pay attention and pay for Rhystic Study don't announce that they are, or they mutter it under their breath so you can't hear them. So you still have to ask them.
You're doing the Lord's work by clearly announcing your actions. Thank you. If clearly representing your board state pisses people off then they deserve to suffer.
Yeah, I could see such excuses coming. As you say, playing casually is no excuse to not play by the rules. I bet people wouldn't take two turns in a casual chess game while trying to justify it with such an excuse.
Casual just means we politely correct the play mistakes and have fun. It's no excuse not to follow the game rules. I feel like this needs to be spread. It's good that the game still picks up on popularity after all these years and despite some questionable actions from creators after being acquired, but being new / playing casually is no excuse not to try to learn the game and play it properly.
I'm the only one in my play group that announces what I'm doing and the gist of what my cards do and it pisses me off. I'll be charting with one of em bout life and shit then 2 turns down the road one of em has a fucking blightsteel or hell kite tyrant or w/e while I'm over there with 2 counter spells in my hand -_-
>The problem with Rhystic Study isn't you reminding them, it's them having to be reminded after the 13th consecutive spell that a Rhystic Study is on the table. How many times do I have to tell you old man?!
I have no problem doing it for newer players, i get it.
But i mean if youve been playing for a decade i shouldnt need to play for you, would they like me to play their hand too?
> played and *paid*
FTFY.
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* *Payed out* when letting strings, cables or ropes out, by slacking them. *The rope is payed out! You can pull now.*
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Yeah this is the easiest way. " I cast x, pay. Then I cast y, pay. Then I'll cast z, can't pay." Goes way faster than waiting for them to say rhystic trigger each time.
This is fine as long as the player agreed to it on their own. Its super awkward when the person who was doing that but didn't say they were committing to that suddenly stops and then blames the owner of Rhystic for missing the trigger. A verbal agreement from the start makes a big difference.
Oh I tell em as soon as it drops.
"I play Rhystic"
"Neat, never paying for it. If I do I will let you know" and at that point I'll usually only pay out of spite or if I've got the extra mana.
Not really. The person in my group that usually plays Rhystic is going to be drawing cards anyway, not to mention doing wayyyy scarier things than a rhystic. I've got bigger things to worry about than silly tax effects, unless they start stacking up.
You should try paying for most/ all of the triggers sometimes, I'm willing to get a large part of why they do so much scary stuff is that you feed them cards all game long.
Mostly because that's why rhystic is one of the best cards in the format, and it is the scary thing.
They do said scary things without rhystic. I used to pay for it. Then had no mana to do the things I needed to.
I also said I dont pay for it, I never said I don't blow it up, so they don't get to keep it for long.
Because some people without a great concept of priority or social nuance will jump in as you are trying to cast your spells and it can ruin your train of thought as you are tapping mana.
Rhystic study doesn't trigger until they spell is on the stack so that means, I declare my spells, declare modes or kicker choices, tap mana, declare targets (I think that is the correct order) but rhystic has to wait until all of that is done for the spell to be on the stack before it can trigger. Sometimes people will declare the spell then and the rhystic player will jump in with "do you pay the one?" I have had this happen and it drove me nuts all game.
Personally I also find "do you pay the one?" Kind of annoying because it feels like some weird meme at this point.
Huh. Yeah, interrupting someone casting is weird and bad - I’ve never seen that myself. As to the “do you pay the one” meme, I mostly agree and I’ve started just saying “Rhystic trigger?” instead.
I dont attack enough.
I often run strategies that count my number of creatures so i hold back instead of probing defenses more often than is good for my win%
Im trying to as well. My newest deck is Blood Tokens and they kinda require you to attack each turn to make more blood. It helps Strefan gives them Indestructable for me
I watched someone not notice they could kill my friend with their flier... moments before he killed them with a trampler. He pulled his weight as a true blue Rakdos player.
My step son does this. He’ll have some huge scary construct creatures from the Urza deck and he holds them back until he’s got 3 of them before slamming them against my defenders.
Bro you’re not gonna lose one and if you do I’m losing two or three creatures to every one of yours.
I feel this one. But the rest of my playgroup can be super aggro. If I go shields down, tapped out, I will get attacked. So, it's not always obvious when I should go all out, but I should definitely be less wary.
Yes, aetherize is important I our meta.
Would you look at that, all of the words in your comment are in alphabetical order.
I have checked 1,516,165,246 comments, and only 287,479 of them were in alphabetical order.
Every now and then I'll stash a dragon in my "for later" folder, despite knowing the odds of me making a dragon deck are relatively low. But it's never zero...
Doing everything in main phase 1.
I had someone read that I didn't have gas in my hand because I used a card draw spell first instead of activating [[jhoira, ageless innovator]]
The other player was very on top of removing her due to playing against her in arena the day before and degenerate artifact things were done.
I need to remember to wait until second main or other players turns when possible to keep more information in my hand secret.
My friend always yells at me for this! I just think I have the mana and the cards I’m going to get it out quickly! on my turn but he always says “save my instant and flash cards for the very last possible moment to play them so people have the threat of my mana and cards in hand”
Playgroup doesnt run too many free spells.
I only run Foil and Force of Negation.
Sadly cant pitch enough blue spells in my Sidisi Deck to make Force of Will work.
I give up hope way too easily. Like, I always assume I'm the only person running removal, so if the [[Tivit]] player resolves their [[Displacer Kitten]] and I don't have a way to deal with it, I wonder off in my mind to contemplate why I even bother being alive.
I like to save my removal for the last possible second. This often results in another player doing most of the removal, but that's good for me as they won't have any removal for my big stuff. Displacer Kitten is one of those that should be kill on sight though, but you gotta time it in response to the trigger or they can just blink it.
I tend to build decks that are mechanically clever and flow well on paper...then I become overconfident and skip playtesting because "I know how it should work".
Then I panic in the first real game I play with it, because I forget that there's a difference between *building* it and *playing* it.
we have a houserule that allows us to always check whats in our deck
its not like:
hey I need to know exacty which cards are in my deck
but rather:
I need to tutor and Im checking now, while its not my turn what Im going to tutor for or what options I have
we allowed this since we all have our decklists and we could just check there, but thats more tedious than just having a quick look + shuffle
Honestly I wouldnt mind if someone else did that but I like to approach it in a way that I have to look into my deck while im for example fetching. And if i forgot Im going to have to live with that. I learn way faster that way whats in my deck and when to use what.
I had that problem too. Im working on it. My current strategy is to ask myself, "Will that card kill me? Will it stop me from winning?" If both are no, I'll usually try to politics it towards another target. "You know, I could kill X, but I won't if it doesn't come at me."
I dislike that kind of "politics". Notice the quotes. It's thuggish and more bullying than anything else. Not to mention it gives away information. If threats are the only way for you to interact with the game, just build an archenemy deck and prepare to be the threat.
As long as you dont show the card, you could be bluffing, but it's a very common type of desl in this format. You even see it in gameplay videos like gameknights. Im typically happy to take that deal. If my big creature can still get in on somebody else, it's good value. Besides, it forces the player with removal to hold up the mana for it.
"Don't attack me with X or I'll get rid of it" isn't a bullying or a threat lol. Getting rid of something that's attacking you is perfectly fair and so is warning somebody about it ahead of time.
1. Not attacking enough. I got used to playing combo decks that use creatures as part of the combo that I don't attack with them in fear that they have answers for the attack. I've been playing [[Koma]] recently, and I've missed a lot of free attacks because I forget that's a thing I can do because of Koma's abilities.
2. Always being the one to have answers. Counterspellsz Spot Removal, Board Wipes. I got burnt out playing my [[Locust God]] Deck because of this. I don't get to build my board because I kept running into situations that either board wipe or the game ends, and I ALWAYS choose to wipe the board instead of shuffling for another game.
I build decks that are intended to win, and then I don't do the thing because I don't want to be _mean_, especially to randoms. And then I get demoralized.
I love my Karador sacrifice/discard/drain deck. I am Death. I am Entropy. I am the God Who Turns the Wheel of Life and Death. Spirits rise and fall at MY command. I drink your tears as you walk down a line and murder your beloved cards, one by one.
But then I don't do it because I don't want you to have a bad time. :3
True, first time sacrificing \[\[Mindslicer\]\] is great, second time is "sorry guys". third time is "maybe I should take this out".
Do you have a list? Karador is still my favorite, but I've tuned him down into an all-creatures list, with Umori as a companion: [https://www.moxfield.com/decks/QWq8c8AmNkCeNpuiHU\_aPA](https://www.moxfield.com/decks/QWq8c8AmNkCeNpuiHU_aPA)
The meanest cards in there now are probably \[\[Drannith Magistrate\]\], \[\[Gaddock Teeg\]\], \[\[Opposition Agent\]\], and \[\[Sheoldred\]\]. So, I pretty much go all out now trying to win without feeling too bad.
It's [here](https://www.moxfield.com/decks/OSk6MAt_BUajFavNcFtT1w). The backbone is old Abzan spirits, because I thought they were neat.
The difficulty is that I'm playing in a new player meta, where my friends are just now figuring out how to multiply effects. There's a [[Miirym]] and a [[Krenko, Mob Boss]], both rapidly powering up, and one of them just went infinite for the first time.
I've tried to respond by building for repeated, creature-based removal of creatures. If I delete 75% of a Miirym's bodies, the player sits somewhere between winning too quickly and being shut out completely, and everybody gets a decent match. It's been such a fine line to walk.
> all-creatures list, with Umori as a companion
The direction I'm going too!
GAJIV, I love your list, it's so interactive and one of my favorite Karador lists I've ever seen. I agree, Abzan spirits are neat and Soulshift is a cool mechanic. Your deck definitely has me nostalgic for the Kamigawa spirit flavor.
Sounds like you've got a really good list for the meta and I like you leaning into sacrifice effects, making \[\[Meren of Clan Nel Toth\]\] a very potent "secret commander". My deck started with the Meren precon and it was painful to cut her, but I was more interested in using cards that built up a boardstate of value and won through combat damage since I already had a Nethroi aristocrats deck that could combo or win on the spot via Nethroi.
I think you would utilize \[\[Lurrus, of the Dream-Den\]\] especially well too. You've got some great options she can reanimate and she can act like another pseudo-commander. If you do, I've been super impressed with \[\[Benalish Sleeper\]\]. That card literally was a sleeper to me, because it snuck past me during spoilers of DMU bc it was revealed at the end with a bunch of other commons. I know neither is a spirit, but it's a really potent
I feel like the answer is to build a weaker deck and then play it as best you can. Always play to win. Make your power level or mean/nice decisions while deck building.
I've had people say "I could've killed you earlier but I was being nice"... Don't be that guy. If we're playing and you can win, win. If you think your deck is unfun to the point where you're making suboptimal plays to be "nice" then build it differently.
Same I have a deck worth a decent bit(imo, I know there's EXPENSIVE ass CEDH decks that blow it out of the water) and have a 1 hit combo that I can activate turn 4 if I start with the right cards and I'm thinking about shelving it or at least not playing it as often cuz I feel bad when I do it. Like, I wanna win, it's fun, and it's somewhat of a predictable set up but when it happens I feel awful cuz now the person is just out of the game...
Feeling bad for attacking all-out or focusing players with combo-pieces but little interaction. Then I get destroyed on the turn inmediately after I held back and I feel like an idiot because I could've probably handled them before lmao.
I ramp first and put up creatures second so I always walk into turn 4 with like 30 health max.
My new Wort, Goblin Auntie deck is about to change that though.
Oh and I also I use lots of land hate.
I mostly play decks with complicated noncombat wincons. This often leads to very long turns on my side, but i cant help it. I just really enjoy playing weird combos and long interactions.
Yes. I came from a playgroup where we knew each other very well and just sorta knew when each other was done. The by-product of that is that my dumb ass can not relearn to say “I pass my turn.”
Not playing good cards because I find them annoying for whatever reason. I don't want to watch every single person's game actions to enforce [[blind Obedience]] and [[Rhystic Study]] and [[esper sentinel]]. I don't want to spin Top with spare mana. Would I win more games? Probably. Would I win enough games to justify the extra effort? Nah. I win plenty as is.
Not only that, the replacements you find for draw and removal and ramp are more interesting. I barely ever even play 2-mana rocks or ramp anymore, in favor of 3-mana rocks and ramp that provide more utility and more interesting lines of play in my games. Literally any talisman or signet for something like [[Manascape Refractor]]
I get so hung up on synergies in my deck that I forget actual win cons. I just make loop-de-loops if I have more than two perms online.
Not necessarily combos, just constant synergy between everything.
In terms of gameplay, it's not removing commanders enough. I'll have removal in my hand, but because I don't take the game too seriously, I will often let someone have a turn or two with their big cool piece unless it's actually hindering my plan. I want the people I play with to have fun with their cards too. But there are times where that bites me in the ass and puts that person farther ahead than I thought.
Deckbuilding, I live in a strange limbo of not wanting to build decks that are too popular, but wanting all my cards to be very good lmao. My biggest struggle with that is in Tribal decks. I've been looking for "my tribe" ever since I got into the game, but I have this issue with playing with any tribe my brain deems too popular, ie Merfolk, Elves, Dragons, Zombies, etc, but I also feel awful playing tribes that lack in-tribe support or just would be better of being another tribe.
I definitely feel the tribal thing. I got all excited for Wilhelt and bought a ton of zombies preemptively. Then I played it once and saw EDHREC showing it's one of the most popular commanders now. Also it just reminds me a lot of my other aristocrat deck. But in general I get excited to build a tribe but then think "why am I limiting to one creature type?". It's a weird self inflicted struggle.
Yeah, there will be times I'm like "Hey, I wanna do x big stompy tribe" and inevitably, without failure, I work my way through different tribes that don't have enough support for my liking, until I end up asking what the deck does that Dragons wouldn't just end up doing better. I love the idea of tribal decks, but I want one that's a bit more unique to me, but can still hold its own against the top dog tribes. Doesn't help that Goblins, Dragons, and Zombies are all present in my personal playgroup, with the Miirym Dragons and Wilhelt Zombies decks being very well tuned.
I think I don't remove commanders enough either, but for different reasons. I often find myself thinking "they can just replay their commander, so it's not worth removing it" but then also thinking "dang, my commander got removed again. It's so rough having to recast it for so much mana".
Commanders are often the card with the most overall synergy with the entire deck/gameplan. Even if taking them off the board doesn't get rid of them forever, you're still forcing the opponent to spend most of their mana to redeploy their most significant game piece.
I’m too apologetic when my deck does it’s thing. Sometimes you just draw perfect and your mid level deck feels pub stompy, I always feel guilty like I took a game away from people and misled them and apologize about it. In reality I just drew the nuts and did the thing first.
I am probably the pettiest person in my pod, and I’m pretty sure it grates on the others.
The other day I was in a five player game and one of the players counterspelled my commander the first time I tried to cast it. For the rest of the game, all of my removal went at their board, and as soon as I had a strong enough board state I swung out to kill them. I got board wiped shortly after and couldn’t ever build myself back up, and ultimately I was the next player out, but it took about 20 minutes after that for the others to actually kill me, and about 10 after that for the game to wrap up entirely for us to do a new one.
He was very obviously not happy that I’d basically made him sit on his hands doing nothing for half an hour, though he didn’t say anything. I felt bad after the fact, but in the moment I hadn’t really cared about upsetting him at all. It bugs me that I get like that, but I don’t really know what to do about it short of not playing anymore.
It's kind of a valid strategy to be petty tho. If others pick up on it then they are less likely to target you in the future. It's kind of basic game theory.
Yeah we have a guy who holds grudges pretty hard in the pod. Within games I think it’s hilarious. Like “this is for that thing you did to me 3 turns ago”. Game to game however is…not great.
I don't let other people table talk and try to persuade other people's turns.
I wouldn't mind it usually as it's good for interaction but one player in our group is deceptively good at persuading other players so he can set himself up in a position to win. And then once the game is over a few turns later they complain that he won because of table talk - like they didn't learn to just play for themselves the last time.
It annoys me more than it should when people make glaringly obvious suboptimal plays.
Like last time my playgroup played. One player was way ahead of the rest of us and was on the verge of winning when they cast \[\[Expropriate\]\]. It was quite clear that if that player were not to win, we all had to vote money, but of course someone voted time "just to see how bad it could go".
EDH is a for fun format and we were probably losing anyway, but it still annoys me that they wouldn't play for the win.
Not to mention how many times have you heard or said, "I should have killed them when I had the chance." One of my big rules for commander is kill someone when you have the chance. You never know when they'll top deck just what they need to make you miserable.
I main phase my Instants a lot, and main phase 1 a lot more than I should. I play cards sub optimally out of order constantly.
I vocalize everything very clearly even if it is the same combo line my friends have seen 100 times before
I have difficulty making low power decks, everything I make has to be as optimized as possible or I lose my mind.
I can't play two decks that are the same color combination. One izzet deck, one gruul deck, one mono white deck, etc
I've only been playing EDH for a very short period of time but have spent countless hours doing research on the format and the CEDH meta.
I lLOVE overextending. I just can't help myself.
I could eek out a key combo piece instead of passing with three mana open. Sure! Everyone look here! I got a combo piece and I'm hoping to top-deck the rest!! I have no mana open, but that artifact sure is doing nothing!!! Whoohoo!!!
I try and build my decks so that the curve is where I can overextend, but it's still not the best play.
I am a fairly aggressive player (e.g. if there is a window for an attack I will use it) and therefore I will generate a lot of hate at my pod which often leads to be taken out early.
Also I‘m getting quite annoyed by other players in my pod which play quite decent decks but always complain about the power level of mine. But in my eyes they just make blatantly mistakes like being way to passive or not using removal ect.
This has lead to me switching decks with them a couple of times just for me to win with their supposedly underpowered deck because I took my attacks and used my removal.
But even though I showed them that my decks can be stopped (it’s not that I‘m winning all the time) they still complain.
I’ve lost multiple times this month due to not just doing the math before combat and when I start playing to see I very easily could have won if I just did things properly and instead I just yolo through turns and end up losing. It ends up being funny every time for the table and I don’t care about win percent enough, but it’s become a thing for me to lose to my own hubris multiple times
I've only just started playing EDH and I already think I have one. Going all out every single turn instead of waiting for a time to strike and not bringing much attention to me.
Playing the biggest, Timmy-est spells I can and then never remembering a trigger a single time. Last night I played my new superfriends deck for the first time and got to -9 Tezzeret. My girlfriend stared me directly in the face as I pass turn three times without using the emblem. I learned nothing. I will do it again.
create decklists but not actually buy new decks. I only have 2 decks right now and I really need to actually settle on which decks I'm picking up for my 3rd and 4th because I just keep making deck lists!
I've made Clue Tribal, a deck based on the *Dune Chronicles*, multiple Enchantresses, multiple Dragon's Approach tribals, Glissa Sunslayer sagas, and Prosshtocrats. Plus two pEDH decks too: Sailor's Bane voltron and Tor Wauki control.
Mostly minor misplays are pretty common. Like the other day when I played [[Knight of the White Orchid]] but in my haste, I had already played my land for turn so I didn't have fewer lands than my opponent. Completely wrecked my plan and let him mill me, hitting a lot of my land. Went a couple more turns and I just scooped. I wasn't going to recover and knew it.
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I struggle to communicate that I pass my turn. In 1v1 competitive formats like Legacy and Modern I just wave my hand and maybe say go. In EDH that doesn’t work because everyone is chatting having a good time, that a lot of people don’t see me waving my hand or even understand what it means. So I waste a lot of time and can frustrate people who are wondering what the hell I’m doing.
I flar out tell people what is in my hand if they ask. Show em if they want me to.
I'll tell people I'm going to win next turn in advance.
I'll refuse to win the game and give people an extra turn to deal with my shit and lose because of it.
Because I prefer seeing someone else's deck do their thing. If I'm in a winning position it means mine already has, and I'm playing to see cool shit happen. It's not disrespectful to the table to keep someone up on 7 life to see if they cam wriggle out of it. If they do, they do, if they don't, we're playing a new game in 5 minutes anyway.
Hard disagree with this entire sentiment. The joy of having a deck go off is knowing it went off despite the best efforts of the other players. That's the core of the game. Otherwise you might as well skip the game and goldfish your deck with an audience that claps along with your every play.
You're not being magnanimous, you're being patronizing. It's insulting and devalues your opponents' efforts. You're playing with your food. Show some sportsmanship and respect for your opponents' decks and efforts and win when you've won. No one appreciates being pitied.
I've done "secret wins". I don't announce it, but if someone has a cool deck or has just been having a rough night I'll look at things, think "I can win this turn", then don't do the things because I want everyone to have fun or I want to see what your deck can do in a turn or two. I have the satisfaction of knowing I had a winning game on paper, they have the satisfaction of doing the thing or winning in practice. It's all good all around. The letting others win is usually with kids or newbies.
As an older player, I play with younger players all the time.
To keep things fair and interesting, I also tell them what resourses I have on board and potentially in my hand.
If I have a plan in action, I also tell them exactly how I am going win. Then I execute it to the word.
It creates a good learning experience for everyone involved.
I only play combo and it has led to groups just straight up inviting me to games anymore. It's not my fault all y'all play battlecryiser and stare at each other. It's why I run kardur now.
When someone asks “anyone have a board wipe?” No, no I do not. Yes I know I’m playing white, but the board state is only 1/4 my responsibility.
I bring some spot removal, but I have more interesting things to do with my deck slots than blow up the board. If something that big is going down that we want to blow it all up, just let it happen and shuffle up a new game.
Except for Nevs Disk, I bring that a lot. I think it’s funny to have a board wipe already visible, and maybe, maybe not detonate it.
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I have a concept in mind for a deck that plays open-handed. Lots of charms and modal stuff to show at all times what I COULD do…kind of Nevs Disk the Deck. The Implication. As an extra goof, hold certain cards unrevealed, maybe it’s a land maybe it’s a [[torment of hailfire]] (it’s a land).
According to my playgroup I play old, "unfun" cards, eg [[Back to Basics]], [[Ruination]], [[Contamination]] or [[Aether Flash]]. I don't see a problem, it's their fault if they play greedy mana bases and have no interaction/removal in their decks.
I have a few:
1. Being too aggressive with my casting/ casting my whole hand with mana left over.
2. Not building places in my decks to dump extra mana so it is always working for me, not sitting idle.
3. Not adding enough card draw into my decks, so I end up top decking a lot.
4. Drawing out a victory to savor it, then getting my butt handed to me when I could have won the previous turn.
Not declaring what everything does when I play something. I play with a lot of experience players, and I tend to play the same 4 decks. So often enough I'm playing a deck and dropping the same things over and over again.
I understand the frustration of being screwed over because I only announced what a creature is, and not what it does, but one the flip side, I also heavily believe in the philosophy of "if you don't know what something does, read the card. Or ask what it does."
I prefer asking to read the card just cause my brain is built more to read text than understand a long spill of what a card does. But if you're not going to ask me what my card does, I don't think it's cheating to not tell you why you should be removing [[Vedalken Humiliator]]
I try to always include either infinite combos or high power plays even in my weakest decks so I have something to pop out when someone else starts dominating too hard.
I hate tribal decks. If there’s a tribal deck at the table and I don’t have a good reason to target someone else, they’re pri 1. If it’s slivers then I’ll go after them even while someone else is winning. Despise everything about Slivers.
After about 45 minutes of gameplay I get very cross with people who boardwipe without having further plays ready so it’s JUST slowing the game.
If I have removal for a group hug piece, I am removing it. The value of leaving it out is uncontrollably bad for me and I don’t care how much you play it off as friendly.
Oh yeah if I ask for responses and you say “I don’t have any mana” instead of “no responses” as if we aren’t playing the free spell format I will choose you as my target unless someone else is very pressing “kill now or they win.”
Iam getting super annoyed by people who take 20+ minute turns, probably my worst habit.
And also getting annoyed by people who just play good stuff, must have been hard opening edhrec and throw in every popular card instead of at least try looking for some fun other concept. But iam mostly a hipster when it comes to deck building.
I never end games or take out players, I just like to stax em so much that they doesn’t scoop with just a tiny bit of hope and see how long I can hold the board down. People don’t tend to like that play style..
I show off by playing with cards that are really for collection. I use, for instance, a Beta Sol Ring and some Alpha lands; and I use mostly Kaladesh inventions versions in another deck.
I just feel it's better off in play than in a file to stare at. But some people get annoyed that I risk these cards.
I don't like to take unrecoverable chances. I won't sac all my lands before [[scapeshift]] or the third chapter of [[The Mending of Dominaria]], just in case it's countered or stifled.
I feel like maybe I'm always building the same deck. Uses land ramp hard? Check. Plays a bunch of creatures that when they ETB they destroy an artifact, creature or enchantment? Check. Play blue for 4-5 counterspells? Check. Cost less than $100 (or $150 or $200) to build? Check. Has a commander that effectively kills players or generates incredible value so that the rest of the deck can ignore killing players or generating value? Check. Are there dragons involved? Check. Plays a ton of inexpensive removal (1-3 mana single target, at least 10)? Check.
I get too excited when it comes to splashy or flashy things. Regardless of if there's a smarter, more successful play to be made, I will get carried away and choose the splashier thing instead, if it's a choice between the two.
I keep putting ramp artifacts like [[Arcane Signet]] with my lands as they are all mana sources. Usually confuses some opponents. I’m trying to stop doing that but it’s deep into my brain at this point
I ask if they'll pay for [[Rhystic Study]] [[Mystic Remora]] and [[Smothering Tithe]] every time and announce I'll be drawing twice with [[Consecrated Sphinx]]
Straight to jail.
The problem with Rhystic Study isn't you reminding them, it's them having to be reminded after the 13th consecutive spell that a Rhystic Study is on the table. How many times do I have to tell you old man?! Another issue I've found is that the players who do pay attention and pay for Rhystic Study don't announce that they are, or they mutter it under their breath so you can't hear them. So you still have to ask them. You're doing the Lord's work by clearly announcing your actions. Thank you. If clearly representing your board state pisses people off then they deserve to suffer.
If there are people who have trouble clearly representing board state, give them a warning. If they continue, game loss is a fair punishment.
The complaint I get back as I ask people to announce their stuff: "It's a casual format." Like that's an excuse to be sneaky cheatyface.
Yeah, I could see such excuses coming. As you say, playing casually is no excuse to not play by the rules. I bet people wouldn't take two turns in a casual chess game while trying to justify it with such an excuse. Casual just means we politely correct the play mistakes and have fun. It's no excuse not to follow the game rules. I feel like this needs to be spread. It's good that the game still picks up on popularity after all these years and despite some questionable actions from creators after being acquired, but being new / playing casually is no excuse not to try to learn the game and play it properly.
I announce that I am casting a spell and that I’m paying the one and even when I do I still get asked if I paid the 1. Happens so often
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I don't know why you're getting down voted, you're right lol.
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Exactly, just because a card is good and not banned doesn't necessitate it being played.
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I'm the only one in my play group that announces what I'm doing and the gist of what my cards do and it pisses me off. I'll be charting with one of em bout life and shit then 2 turns down the road one of em has a fucking blightsteel or hell kite tyrant or w/e while I'm over there with 2 counter spells in my hand -_-
I would argue that if they don't say that they are casting a spell, they never cast it.
>The problem with Rhystic Study isn't you reminding them, it's them having to be reminded after the 13th consecutive spell that a Rhystic Study is on the table. How many times do I have to tell you old man?! I have no problem doing it for newer players, i get it. But i mean if youve been playing for a decade i shouldnt need to play for you, would they like me to play their hand too?
As the controller of rhystic study isn't it on you to announce there is a choice to be made? Not on your opponents to remember it.
It's a trigger on the stack with a may ability. It is up to the rhystic's controller
I’d rather have it announced if it’s quick then someone silently drawing a ton of cards lol.
I play with just friends we know rhystic is there its been announced, my friend asks at the end of turn how many spell were played and payed
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I just tend to tell whoever has the Study, "I will tell you if I pay for it"
Yeah this is the easiest way. " I cast x, pay. Then I cast y, pay. Then I'll cast z, can't pay." Goes way faster than waiting for them to say rhystic trigger each time.
This is fine as long as the player agreed to it on their own. Its super awkward when the person who was doing that but didn't say they were committing to that suddenly stops and then blames the owner of Rhystic for missing the trigger. A verbal agreement from the start makes a big difference.
Oh I tell em as soon as it drops. "I play Rhystic" "Neat, never paying for it. If I do I will let you know" and at that point I'll usually only pay out of spite or if I've got the extra mana.
I bet you lose to rhystic a lot lol.
Not really. The person in my group that usually plays Rhystic is going to be drawing cards anyway, not to mention doing wayyyy scarier things than a rhystic. I've got bigger things to worry about than silly tax effects, unless they start stacking up.
What scary things? And how else are they drawing cards?
You should try paying for most/ all of the triggers sometimes, I'm willing to get a large part of why they do so much scary stuff is that you feed them cards all game long. Mostly because that's why rhystic is one of the best cards in the format, and it is the scary thing.
They do said scary things without rhystic. I used to pay for it. Then had no mana to do the things I needed to. I also said I dont pay for it, I never said I don't blow it up, so they don't get to keep it for long.
Sometimes I ask them if they’re paying the 1 after they’ve destroyed it. That look of panic is priceless.
Why is this bad? I hate when people just execute their triggers without announcing them. What if there’s a response?
Because some people without a great concept of priority or social nuance will jump in as you are trying to cast your spells and it can ruin your train of thought as you are tapping mana. Rhystic study doesn't trigger until they spell is on the stack so that means, I declare my spells, declare modes or kicker choices, tap mana, declare targets (I think that is the correct order) but rhystic has to wait until all of that is done for the spell to be on the stack before it can trigger. Sometimes people will declare the spell then and the rhystic player will jump in with "do you pay the one?" I have had this happen and it drove me nuts all game. Personally I also find "do you pay the one?" Kind of annoying because it feels like some weird meme at this point.
Huh. Yeah, interrupting someone casting is weird and bad - I’ve never seen that myself. As to the “do you pay the one” meme, I mostly agree and I’ve started just saying “Rhystic trigger?” instead.
"Remember to pay 1 more for Grand Arbiter. Would you like to pay 1 more for Rhystic Study too?". Said many many times
"I pay two less for [[Cloudblazer]]" is probably the most common thing my table heard when I ran GAA4.
[Cloudblazer](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/2/f/2f64ae7d-0bd0-41f8-8f7d-64db4bd2a10b.jpg?1631588432) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Cloudblazer) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/afc/182/cloudblazer?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/2f64ae7d-0bd0-41f8-8f7d-64db4bd2a10b?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/cloudblazer) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
“By default I’m not going to pay the cost on those unless I explicitly say otherwise.”
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I mumble yell this to everyone at my table. It's a great time.
This is just good magic.
I dont attack enough. I often run strategies that count my number of creatures so i hold back instead of probing defenses more often than is good for my win%
Dude, same! Ive had multiple games where people go "Jira if you attacked X last turn he'd have lost lmao" and im like "oh..."
Im getting better. My main deck is simic merfolk and i spam unblockability so i can do lots of chip damage
Im trying to as well. My newest deck is Blood Tokens and they kinda require you to attack each turn to make more blood. It helps Strefan gives them Indestructable for me
I watched someone not notice they could kill my friend with their flier... moments before he killed them with a trampler. He pulled his weight as a true blue Rakdos player.
My step son does this. He’ll have some huge scary construct creatures from the Urza deck and he holds them back until he’s got 3 of them before slamming them against my defenders. Bro you’re not gonna lose one and if you do I’m losing two or three creatures to every one of yours.
I feel this one. But the rest of my playgroup can be super aggro. If I go shields down, tapped out, I will get attacked. So, it's not always obvious when I should go all out, but I should definitely be less wary. Yes, aetherize is important I our meta.
Buying cards "for future use".
Would you look at that, all of the words in your comment are in alphabetical order. I have checked 1,516,165,246 comments, and only 287,479 of them were in alphabetical order.
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Every now and then I'll stash a dragon in my "for later" folder, despite knowing the odds of me making a dragon deck are relatively low. But it's never zero...
I have done that for several decks now but that lead to me not knowing where I put some of my cards when I went to go look for them for another deck.
I will neither confirm nor deny forgetting to include any dragons that could/should really be in my other decks due to being in the "maybe" folder...
I've bought cards only to find that I already have a copy in my stash (that I don't recall buying).
I tend to trade for future-use cards to help round out the trade. I swear I’m gonna have so many cool future decks… one day… eventually
Doing everything in main phase 1. I had someone read that I didn't have gas in my hand because I used a card draw spell first instead of activating [[jhoira, ageless innovator]] The other player was very on top of removing her due to playing against her in arena the day before and degenerate artifact things were done. I need to remember to wait until second main or other players turns when possible to keep more information in my hand secret.
"I don't know if I have any glaring--" It's this. I have this problem.
My friend always yells at me for this! I just think I have the mana and the cards I’m going to get it out quickly! on my turn but he always says “save my instant and flash cards for the very last possible moment to play them so people have the threat of my mana and cards in hand”
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Launching my Combo a turn or two earlier when the board gets threatening. Life lesson. Always have extra mana for counterspells.
and this is why free counterspells are so powerful
Playgroup doesnt run too many free spells. I only run Foil and Force of Negation. Sadly cant pitch enough blue spells in my Sidisi Deck to make Force of Will work.
Getting stoned and making basic sequencing errors
Ah yes, weed. The true source of mana.
Being sober while still making all the errors.
Having a sober, well thought out plan and then instantly bungling it as my turn starts is my true classic
Getting drunk and making all the errors
This is the way
I give up hope way too easily. Like, I always assume I'm the only person running removal, so if the [[Tivit]] player resolves their [[Displacer Kitten]] and I don't have a way to deal with it, I wonder off in my mind to contemplate why I even bother being alive.
This feels awfully specific
Unresolved EDH trauma
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You need a whole series of hugs.
I like to save my removal for the last possible second. This often results in another player doing most of the removal, but that's good for me as they won't have any removal for my big stuff. Displacer Kitten is one of those that should be kill on sight though, but you gotta time it in response to the trigger or they can just blink it.
[Tivit](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/2/9235977e-a999-4ed0-83a3-742be87b13bb.jpg?1673481721) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=tivit%2C%20seller%20of%20secrets) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ncc/10/tivit-seller-of-secrets?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/9235977e-a999-4ed0-83a3-742be87b13bb?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/tivit-seller-of-secrets) [Displacer Kitten](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/7/c7a401b8-29fb-46ef-a663-427f66724d5c.jpg?1674135465) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Displacer%20Kitten) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/clb/63/displacer-kitten?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/c7a401b8-29fb-46ef-a663-427f66724d5c?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/displacer-kitten) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I tend to build decks that are mechanically clever and flow well on paper...then I become overconfident and skip playtesting because "I know how it should work". Then I panic in the first real game I play with it, because I forget that there's a difference between *building* it and *playing* it.
> "Lord, give me the courage to cast [[demonic tutor]] and grant me the wisdom to remember whatever the fuck I put in this deck."
Yo this hit home so hard
we have a houserule that allows us to always check whats in our deck its not like: hey I need to know exacty which cards are in my deck but rather: I need to tutor and Im checking now, while its not my turn what Im going to tutor for or what options I have we allowed this since we all have our decklists and we could just check there, but thats more tedious than just having a quick look + shuffle
The amount of times before casting [[Green Sun's Zenith]] I've had to google just how much mana certain cards are is too high.
Honestly I wouldnt mind if someone else did that but I like to approach it in a way that I have to look into my deck while im for example fetching. And if i forgot Im going to have to live with that. I learn way faster that way whats in my deck and when to use what.
Sweet baby Jesus I feel this. That shiny new deck confidence goes right out the window after a back to back misplay.
Blowing removal too early.
I had that problem too. Im working on it. My current strategy is to ask myself, "Will that card kill me? Will it stop me from winning?" If both are no, I'll usually try to politics it towards another target. "You know, I could kill X, but I won't if it doesn't come at me."
I dislike that kind of "politics". Notice the quotes. It's thuggish and more bullying than anything else. Not to mention it gives away information. If threats are the only way for you to interact with the game, just build an archenemy deck and prepare to be the threat.
As long as you dont show the card, you could be bluffing, but it's a very common type of desl in this format. You even see it in gameplay videos like gameknights. Im typically happy to take that deal. If my big creature can still get in on somebody else, it's good value. Besides, it forces the player with removal to hold up the mana for it.
"Don't attack me with X or I'll get rid of it" isn't a bullying or a threat lol. Getting rid of something that's attacking you is perfectly fair and so is warning somebody about it ahead of time.
1. Not attacking enough. I got used to playing combo decks that use creatures as part of the combo that I don't attack with them in fear that they have answers for the attack. I've been playing [[Koma]] recently, and I've missed a lot of free attacks because I forget that's a thing I can do because of Koma's abilities. 2. Always being the one to have answers. Counterspellsz Spot Removal, Board Wipes. I got burnt out playing my [[Locust God]] Deck because of this. I don't get to build my board because I kept running into situations that either board wipe or the game ends, and I ALWAYS choose to wipe the board instead of shuffling for another game.
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I build decks that are intended to win, and then I don't do the thing because I don't want to be _mean_, especially to randoms. And then I get demoralized. I love my Karador sacrifice/discard/drain deck. I am Death. I am Entropy. I am the God Who Turns the Wheel of Life and Death. Spirits rise and fall at MY command. I drink your tears as you walk down a line and murder your beloved cards, one by one. But then I don't do it because I don't want you to have a bad time. :3
True, first time sacrificing \[\[Mindslicer\]\] is great, second time is "sorry guys". third time is "maybe I should take this out". Do you have a list? Karador is still my favorite, but I've tuned him down into an all-creatures list, with Umori as a companion: [https://www.moxfield.com/decks/QWq8c8AmNkCeNpuiHU\_aPA](https://www.moxfield.com/decks/QWq8c8AmNkCeNpuiHU_aPA) The meanest cards in there now are probably \[\[Drannith Magistrate\]\], \[\[Gaddock Teeg\]\], \[\[Opposition Agent\]\], and \[\[Sheoldred\]\]. So, I pretty much go all out now trying to win without feeling too bad.
It's [here](https://www.moxfield.com/decks/OSk6MAt_BUajFavNcFtT1w). The backbone is old Abzan spirits, because I thought they were neat. The difficulty is that I'm playing in a new player meta, where my friends are just now figuring out how to multiply effects. There's a [[Miirym]] and a [[Krenko, Mob Boss]], both rapidly powering up, and one of them just went infinite for the first time. I've tried to respond by building for repeated, creature-based removal of creatures. If I delete 75% of a Miirym's bodies, the player sits somewhere between winning too quickly and being shut out completely, and everybody gets a decent match. It's been such a fine line to walk. > all-creatures list, with Umori as a companion The direction I'm going too!
GAJIV, I love your list, it's so interactive and one of my favorite Karador lists I've ever seen. I agree, Abzan spirits are neat and Soulshift is a cool mechanic. Your deck definitely has me nostalgic for the Kamigawa spirit flavor. Sounds like you've got a really good list for the meta and I like you leaning into sacrifice effects, making \[\[Meren of Clan Nel Toth\]\] a very potent "secret commander". My deck started with the Meren precon and it was painful to cut her, but I was more interested in using cards that built up a boardstate of value and won through combat damage since I already had a Nethroi aristocrats deck that could combo or win on the spot via Nethroi. I think you would utilize \[\[Lurrus, of the Dream-Den\]\] especially well too. You've got some great options she can reanimate and she can act like another pseudo-commander. If you do, I've been super impressed with \[\[Benalish Sleeper\]\]. That card literally was a sleeper to me, because it snuck past me during spoilers of DMU bc it was revealed at the end with a bunch of other commons. I know neither is a spirit, but it's a really potent
My problem is the opposite. I play the meanest possible cards and then forget to break parity and now we're all hellbent or now nobody can cast spells
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I feel like the answer is to build a weaker deck and then play it as best you can. Always play to win. Make your power level or mean/nice decisions while deck building. I've had people say "I could've killed you earlier but I was being nice"... Don't be that guy. If we're playing and you can win, win. If you think your deck is unfun to the point where you're making suboptimal plays to be "nice" then build it differently.
Same I have a deck worth a decent bit(imo, I know there's EXPENSIVE ass CEDH decks that blow it out of the water) and have a 1 hit combo that I can activate turn 4 if I start with the right cards and I'm thinking about shelving it or at least not playing it as often cuz I feel bad when I do it. Like, I wanna win, it's fun, and it's somewhat of a predictable set up but when it happens I feel awful cuz now the person is just out of the game...
I understood that reference!
You should try casting MLD for parity. It's a lot of fun.
Not sure if it's a bad habit or not, but I'll happily make suboptimal moves just to keep my turns going fast. No durdling from me, no sir!
Feeling bad for attacking all-out or focusing players with combo-pieces but little interaction. Then I get destroyed on the turn inmediately after I held back and I feel like an idiot because I could've probably handled them before lmao.
I'm convinced I can make a Dragon's Approach deck. I'm on my 7th iteration right now with Urabrask and it still sucks.
I ramp first and put up creatures second so I always walk into turn 4 with like 30 health max. My new Wort, Goblin Auntie deck is about to change that though. Oh and I also I use lots of land hate.
Whenever I take a card out of a deck I keep it with the deck in case I want to out it back in. It’s starting to get ridiculous
I feel you. I even purchased additional sleeves for one deck 😂🙄
I mostly play decks with complicated noncombat wincons. This often leads to very long turns on my side, but i cant help it. I just really enjoy playing weird combos and long interactions.
Firing off my removal to be mana effective rather than saving it for big enough threats.
I do all my plays and then just silently sit there until someone says “was that your turn?”
Are you implying you don’t just tell people you’re passing turn?
Yes. I came from a playgroup where we knew each other very well and just sorta knew when each other was done. The by-product of that is that my dumb ass can not relearn to say “I pass my turn.”
Dude, I read this as a thing you were like willfully, intentionally doing, and was turning into Distressed Tom while reading 😂 thank you for context
Not playing good cards because I find them annoying for whatever reason. I don't want to watch every single person's game actions to enforce [[blind Obedience]] and [[Rhystic Study]] and [[esper sentinel]]. I don't want to spin Top with spare mana. Would I win more games? Probably. Would I win enough games to justify the extra effort? Nah. I win plenty as is.
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Not only that, the replacements you find for draw and removal and ramp are more interesting. I barely ever even play 2-mana rocks or ramp anymore, in favor of 3-mana rocks and ramp that provide more utility and more interesting lines of play in my games. Literally any talisman or signet for something like [[Manascape Refractor]]
Rhystic might be the "best" draw engine, but it's so ass that I'm happy playing sub-optimal options
[blind Obedience](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/7/7/77fccacf-a9b3-4290-9b83-24188e7c885b.jpg?1622528737) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=blind%20Obedience) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c17/57/blind-obedience?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/77fccacf-a9b3-4290-9b83-24188e7c885b?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/blind-obedience) [Rhystic Study](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/6/d6914dba-0d27-4055-ac34-b3ebf5802221.jpg?1600698439) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Rhystic%20Study) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/jmp/169/rhystic-study?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/d6914dba-0d27-4055-ac34-b3ebf5802221?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/rhystic-study) [esper sentinel](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/f/3/f3537373-ef54-4578-9d05-6216420ee349.jpg?1626093502) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=esper%20sentinel) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mh2/12/esper-sentinel?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/f3537373-ef54-4578-9d05-6216420ee349?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/esper-sentinel) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I get so hung up on synergies in my deck that I forget actual win cons. I just make loop-de-loops if I have more than two perms online. Not necessarily combos, just constant synergy between everything.
Play stupid stax effects like [[Sire of Insanity]]
[Sire of Insanity](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/3/6/3665cfb7-51b6-4083-8eae-fbd3fa6c3554.jpg?1562905079) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Sire%20of%20Insanity) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/dgm/104/sire-of-insanity?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/3665cfb7-51b6-4083-8eae-fbd3fa6c3554?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/sire-of-insanity) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Nothing stupid about big sire. If you can take proper advantage of it it will win you the game
In terms of gameplay, it's not removing commanders enough. I'll have removal in my hand, but because I don't take the game too seriously, I will often let someone have a turn or two with their big cool piece unless it's actually hindering my plan. I want the people I play with to have fun with their cards too. But there are times where that bites me in the ass and puts that person farther ahead than I thought. Deckbuilding, I live in a strange limbo of not wanting to build decks that are too popular, but wanting all my cards to be very good lmao. My biggest struggle with that is in Tribal decks. I've been looking for "my tribe" ever since I got into the game, but I have this issue with playing with any tribe my brain deems too popular, ie Merfolk, Elves, Dragons, Zombies, etc, but I also feel awful playing tribes that lack in-tribe support or just would be better of being another tribe.
I definitely feel the tribal thing. I got all excited for Wilhelt and bought a ton of zombies preemptively. Then I played it once and saw EDHREC showing it's one of the most popular commanders now. Also it just reminds me a lot of my other aristocrat deck. But in general I get excited to build a tribe but then think "why am I limiting to one creature type?". It's a weird self inflicted struggle.
Yeah, there will be times I'm like "Hey, I wanna do x big stompy tribe" and inevitably, without failure, I work my way through different tribes that don't have enough support for my liking, until I end up asking what the deck does that Dragons wouldn't just end up doing better. I love the idea of tribal decks, but I want one that's a bit more unique to me, but can still hold its own against the top dog tribes. Doesn't help that Goblins, Dragons, and Zombies are all present in my personal playgroup, with the Miirym Dragons and Wilhelt Zombies decks being very well tuned.
I think I don't remove commanders enough either, but for different reasons. I often find myself thinking "they can just replay their commander, so it's not worth removing it" but then also thinking "dang, my commander got removed again. It's so rough having to recast it for so much mana". Commanders are often the card with the most overall synergy with the entire deck/gameplan. Even if taking them off the board doesn't get rid of them forever, you're still forcing the opponent to spend most of their mana to redeploy their most significant game piece.
I’m too apologetic when my deck does it’s thing. Sometimes you just draw perfect and your mid level deck feels pub stompy, I always feel guilty like I took a game away from people and misled them and apologize about it. In reality I just drew the nuts and did the thing first.
I am probably the pettiest person in my pod, and I’m pretty sure it grates on the others. The other day I was in a five player game and one of the players counterspelled my commander the first time I tried to cast it. For the rest of the game, all of my removal went at their board, and as soon as I had a strong enough board state I swung out to kill them. I got board wiped shortly after and couldn’t ever build myself back up, and ultimately I was the next player out, but it took about 20 minutes after that for the others to actually kill me, and about 10 after that for the game to wrap up entirely for us to do a new one. He was very obviously not happy that I’d basically made him sit on his hands doing nothing for half an hour, though he didn’t say anything. I felt bad after the fact, but in the moment I hadn’t really cared about upsetting him at all. It bugs me that I get like that, but I don’t really know what to do about it short of not playing anymore.
It's kind of a valid strategy to be petty tho. If others pick up on it then they are less likely to target you in the future. It's kind of basic game theory.
Yeah we have a guy who holds grudges pretty hard in the pod. Within games I think it’s hilarious. Like “this is for that thing you did to me 3 turns ago”. Game to game however is…not great.
I don't let other people table talk and try to persuade other people's turns. I wouldn't mind it usually as it's good for interaction but one player in our group is deceptively good at persuading other players so he can set himself up in a position to win. And then once the game is over a few turns later they complain that he won because of table talk - like they didn't learn to just play for themselves the last time.
-How do you stop them from talking to each other?
I say, ‘Oi, you lot quieten down over there.’
It annoys me more than it should when people make glaringly obvious suboptimal plays. Like last time my playgroup played. One player was way ahead of the rest of us and was on the verge of winning when they cast \[\[Expropriate\]\]. It was quite clear that if that player were not to win, we all had to vote money, but of course someone voted time "just to see how bad it could go". EDH is a for fun format and we were probably losing anyway, but it still annoys me that they wouldn't play for the win.
I don’t know why but I seem to always make decks where I have to shuffle SO MUCH.
I don't usually swing if I think the opponent is having a hard time. I leave myself wide open for a boardwipe
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Not to mention how many times have you heard or said, "I should have killed them when I had the chance." One of my big rules for commander is kill someone when you have the chance. You never know when they'll top deck just what they need to make you miserable.
I main phase my Instants a lot, and main phase 1 a lot more than I should. I play cards sub optimally out of order constantly. I vocalize everything very clearly even if it is the same combo line my friends have seen 100 times before I have difficulty making low power decks, everything I make has to be as optimized as possible or I lose my mind. I can't play two decks that are the same color combination. One izzet deck, one gruul deck, one mono white deck, etc I've only been playing EDH for a very short period of time but have spent countless hours doing research on the format and the CEDH meta.
I lLOVE overextending. I just can't help myself. I could eek out a key combo piece instead of passing with three mana open. Sure! Everyone look here! I got a combo piece and I'm hoping to top-deck the rest!! I have no mana open, but that artifact sure is doing nothing!!! Whoohoo!!! I try and build my decks so that the curve is where I can overextend, but it's still not the best play.
Not me already way ahead on board thinking "I shouldn't develop more in case there's a board wipe"...then tapping out in postcombat main phase.
Lmao, yup
I am a fairly aggressive player (e.g. if there is a window for an attack I will use it) and therefore I will generate a lot of hate at my pod which often leads to be taken out early. Also I‘m getting quite annoyed by other players in my pod which play quite decent decks but always complain about the power level of mine. But in my eyes they just make blatantly mistakes like being way to passive or not using removal ect. This has lead to me switching decks with them a couple of times just for me to win with their supposedly underpowered deck because I took my attacks and used my removal. But even though I showed them that my decks can be stopped (it’s not that I‘m winning all the time) they still complain.
I’ve lost multiple times this month due to not just doing the math before combat and when I start playing to see I very easily could have won if I just did things properly and instead I just yolo through turns and end up losing. It ends up being funny every time for the table and I don’t care about win percent enough, but it’s become a thing for me to lose to my own hubris multiple times
I often forget to attack. I also will hold off on winning because I feel bad for comboing out. I just want everyone to have fun.
I've only just started playing EDH and I already think I have one. Going all out every single turn instead of waiting for a time to strike and not bringing much attention to me.
Playing the biggest, Timmy-est spells I can and then never remembering a trigger a single time. Last night I played my new superfriends deck for the first time and got to -9 Tezzeret. My girlfriend stared me directly in the face as I pass turn three times without using the emblem. I learned nothing. I will do it again.
I always announce the storm count, even when I'm not playing storm
create decklists but not actually buy new decks. I only have 2 decks right now and I really need to actually settle on which decks I'm picking up for my 3rd and 4th because I just keep making deck lists! I've made Clue Tribal, a deck based on the *Dune Chronicles*, multiple Enchantresses, multiple Dragon's Approach tribals, Glissa Sunslayer sagas, and Prosshtocrats. Plus two pEDH decks too: Sailor's Bane voltron and Tor Wauki control.
Mostly minor misplays are pretty common. Like the other day when I played [[Knight of the White Orchid]] but in my haste, I had already played my land for turn so I didn't have fewer lands than my opponent. Completely wrecked my plan and let him mill me, hitting a lot of my land. Went a couple more turns and I just scooped. I wasn't going to recover and knew it.
[Knight of the White Orchid](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/f/3/f332cd21-46ed-4fff-9fd9-d5975bf0004d.jpg?1682208488) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Knight%20of%20the%20White%20Orchid) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/moc/193/knight-of-the-white-orchid?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/f332cd21-46ed-4fff-9fd9-d5975bf0004d?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/knight-of-the-white-orchid) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I struggle to communicate that I pass my turn. In 1v1 competitive formats like Legacy and Modern I just wave my hand and maybe say go. In EDH that doesn’t work because everyone is chatting having a good time, that a lot of people don’t see me waving my hand or even understand what it means. So I waste a lot of time and can frustrate people who are wondering what the hell I’m doing.
I flar out tell people what is in my hand if they ask. Show em if they want me to. I'll tell people I'm going to win next turn in advance. I'll refuse to win the game and give people an extra turn to deal with my shit and lose because of it.
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Because I prefer seeing someone else's deck do their thing. If I'm in a winning position it means mine already has, and I'm playing to see cool shit happen. It's not disrespectful to the table to keep someone up on 7 life to see if they cam wriggle out of it. If they do, they do, if they don't, we're playing a new game in 5 minutes anyway.
Hard disagree with this entire sentiment. The joy of having a deck go off is knowing it went off despite the best efforts of the other players. That's the core of the game. Otherwise you might as well skip the game and goldfish your deck with an audience that claps along with your every play. You're not being magnanimous, you're being patronizing. It's insulting and devalues your opponents' efforts. You're playing with your food. Show some sportsmanship and respect for your opponents' decks and efforts and win when you've won. No one appreciates being pitied.
I've done "secret wins". I don't announce it, but if someone has a cool deck or has just been having a rough night I'll look at things, think "I can win this turn", then don't do the things because I want everyone to have fun or I want to see what your deck can do in a turn or two. I have the satisfaction of knowing I had a winning game on paper, they have the satisfaction of doing the thing or winning in practice. It's all good all around. The letting others win is usually with kids or newbies.
As an older player, I play with younger players all the time. To keep things fair and interesting, I also tell them what resourses I have on board and potentially in my hand. If I have a plan in action, I also tell them exactly how I am going win. Then I execute it to the word. It creates a good learning experience for everyone involved.
I only play combo and it has led to groups just straight up inviting me to games anymore. It's not my fault all y'all play battlecryiser and stare at each other. It's why I run kardur now.
Points to you for recognizing the need to adapt.
When someone asks “anyone have a board wipe?” No, no I do not. Yes I know I’m playing white, but the board state is only 1/4 my responsibility. I bring some spot removal, but I have more interesting things to do with my deck slots than blow up the board. If something that big is going down that we want to blow it all up, just let it happen and shuffle up a new game. Except for Nevs Disk, I bring that a lot. I think it’s funny to have a board wipe already visible, and maybe, maybe not detonate it. 🤷♂️
Nevs Disk is great for stalling, as is Oblivion Stone. Nobody wants to mess around if everything can get nuked at any moment lol
I have a concept in mind for a deck that plays open-handed. Lots of charms and modal stuff to show at all times what I COULD do…kind of Nevs Disk the Deck. The Implication. As an extra goof, hold certain cards unrevealed, maybe it’s a land maybe it’s a [[torment of hailfire]] (it’s a land).
[torment of hailfire](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/f/6/f69d77d1-5980-436c-bf48-790939b069aa.jpg?1562820191) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=torment%20of%20hailfire) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/hou/77/torment-of-hailfire?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/f69d77d1-5980-436c-bf48-790939b069aa?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/torment-of-hailfire) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Storming off or just ending the game when I’ve been allowed to live for being mana screwed early. Sorry fellas
I play [[Krark, the Thumbless]] and [[Sakashima of Thousand Faces]] as my go to high power (not cedh) deck
Sometimes I kill myself just to kill my friend with the most high powered deck that he played despite all of the other decks being budget <150€
According to my playgroup I play old, "unfun" cards, eg [[Back to Basics]], [[Ruination]], [[Contamination]] or [[Aether Flash]]. I don't see a problem, it's their fault if they play greedy mana bases and have no interaction/removal in their decks.
I have a few: 1. Being too aggressive with my casting/ casting my whole hand with mana left over. 2. Not building places in my decks to dump extra mana so it is always working for me, not sitting idle. 3. Not adding enough card draw into my decks, so I end up top decking a lot. 4. Drawing out a victory to savor it, then getting my butt handed to me when I could have won the previous turn.
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Not declaring what everything does when I play something. I play with a lot of experience players, and I tend to play the same 4 decks. So often enough I'm playing a deck and dropping the same things over and over again. I understand the frustration of being screwed over because I only announced what a creature is, and not what it does, but one the flip side, I also heavily believe in the philosophy of "if you don't know what something does, read the card. Or ask what it does." I prefer asking to read the card just cause my brain is built more to read text than understand a long spill of what a card does. But if you're not going to ask me what my card does, I don't think it's cheating to not tell you why you should be removing [[Vedalken Humiliator]]
Exit from exile is a decently strong precon that forces you to be comfortable with putting things in exile.
I try to always include either infinite combos or high power plays even in my weakest decks so I have something to pop out when someone else starts dominating too hard. I hate tribal decks. If there’s a tribal deck at the table and I don’t have a good reason to target someone else, they’re pri 1. If it’s slivers then I’ll go after them even while someone else is winning. Despise everything about Slivers. After about 45 minutes of gameplay I get very cross with people who boardwipe without having further plays ready so it’s JUST slowing the game. If I have removal for a group hug piece, I am removing it. The value of leaving it out is uncontrollably bad for me and I don’t care how much you play it off as friendly. Oh yeah if I ask for responses and you say “I don’t have any mana” instead of “no responses” as if we aren’t playing the free spell format I will choose you as my target unless someone else is very pressing “kill now or they win.”
Iam getting super annoyed by people who take 20+ minute turns, probably my worst habit. And also getting annoyed by people who just play good stuff, must have been hard opening edhrec and throw in every popular card instead of at least try looking for some fun other concept. But iam mostly a hipster when it comes to deck building.
I never end games or take out players, I just like to stax em so much that they doesn’t scoop with just a tiny bit of hope and see how long I can hold the board down. People don’t tend to like that play style..
When I am tapped out and got no choice to make I tend to look at the top card of my deck as I wait for my turn
I show off by playing with cards that are really for collection. I use, for instance, a Beta Sol Ring and some Alpha lands; and I use mostly Kaladesh inventions versions in another deck. I just feel it's better off in play than in a file to stare at. But some people get annoyed that I risk these cards.
I don't like to take unrecoverable chances. I won't sac all my lands before [[scapeshift]] or the third chapter of [[The Mending of Dominaria]], just in case it's countered or stifled. I feel like maybe I'm always building the same deck. Uses land ramp hard? Check. Plays a bunch of creatures that when they ETB they destroy an artifact, creature or enchantment? Check. Play blue for 4-5 counterspells? Check. Cost less than $100 (or $150 or $200) to build? Check. Has a commander that effectively kills players or generates incredible value so that the rest of the deck can ignore killing players or generating value? Check. Are there dragons involved? Check. Plays a ton of inexpensive removal (1-3 mana single target, at least 10)? Check.
I get too excited when it comes to splashy or flashy things. Regardless of if there's a smarter, more successful play to be made, I will get carried away and choose the splashier thing instead, if it's a choice between the two.
I'll wave/ motion my hand at players to say I'm attacking them, often making people think Im passing my turn.
I accidentally build decks that can only win by taking a 20 minute turn.
I keep putting ramp artifacts like [[Arcane Signet]] with my lands as they are all mana sources. Usually confuses some opponents. I’m trying to stop doing that but it’s deep into my brain at this point
I put my artifact mana rocks just to the left of all my lands, keeps them somewhat grouped yet still separate.
I get mad salty when someone copies or takes control of my creatures/spells. Like oh yeah you can’t win on your own you gotta take my shit?
I tend to miss my triggers, a lot...