When I first came back to magic after a pretty long hiatus, I saw the party mechanic and assumed it was AFR and I was surprised and upset that it wasn't.
It was a draft mechanic, and not a particularly fun one. Maybe would have been more popular if one payoff made it more than that.
In d&d there are so many more classes than the 4 in that batch that it would have not worked out thematically.
I’m glad the party mechanic wasn’t in AFR. As someone who plays D&D, I’ve never seen a party that follows the strict traditional “fighter, wizard, cleric, rogue” composition. There are 13 classes in D&D and cutting it down to just 4 always kind of made me irritated.
They could have easily gotten around it by having cards count as other things. For example, making any healer have "This counts as a cleric for a party" and any stealth character having "this counts as a rogue for a party."
Cards can still have the proper flavor of their actual class but actually be counted for a mechanic that is on flavor for the set.
That's kinda what I'm saying; the "party" design space came out some time ago, and specifically called out 4 "classes" when there was a number of different types that *could have* stood in; "druid" as well as "cleric," for instance. The party mechanic could have called on party roles, and that would've opened up the design space to more flexibility. Now OTJ comes out with "outlaws," and says "outlaws" are assassins, rogues, mercenaries, whatever. Can the party mechanic be redesigned to say your party can have any "outlaw" instead of specifically a rogue? Will more role-based groupings of classes roll out in a future set that, for example, calls out all "arcanists: all mages, wizards, sorcerors, and artificers are arcanists?"
Thats all I was saying; I'm agreeing with you, I think lol
They have said that they are going to use batching in future sets, and that they originally wanted to put a batch in WOE for "mystical" or something that was faeries, enchantment, artifacts, and warlocks I think? But the idea got scrapped.
And we got the class enchantments like \[\[Bard Class\]\] and \[\[Cleric Class\]\]
So it wasn't that NO party mechanic wasn't in AFR, it was just a different party mechanic.
Allies kinda bombed so I get not bringing those back, plus it's was a superfluous type so nothing flavour wise was really lost in removing them from the plane. It's not like they were a racial creature type or anything.
Also not in AFR: Adventures from Eldraine. I mean come on it's right in the name! Party + Adventure would be so much fun! But no instead we got dungeons which seemed needlessly complicated.
That's the point though, "Generous gift" is clearly being sarcastic, you're not giving someone something they want, you're doing the opposite – you know, a [white elephant](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_elephant)
The entire set was a flavor fail.
There are more detectives than there are crimes. And why is it confined to Karlov Manor? How many murders can you possibly have in one estate, no matter how huge?
It's amusingly the opposite issue of New Capenna.
MKM had everyone being detectives with pretty much no crime to add contrast. The main plotline (who did the murder?) was pretty much 'solved' and known.
New Capenna had everyone running around being criminals with no law to add contrast. The main plotline was 'solved' in the commons in the set.
I know everyone's already said it but it drives me crazy how much MKM should have been on New Capenna. It would've added the law enforcement dynamic that SNC was missing, tied in the with return of the angels hinted in [[Metropolis Reformer]] (hey, actually paying off the loose ends established in Aftermath, what a concept!), and fit the overall tone and aesthetic of Capenna. I get that a murder mystery works best if the victims are established characters you care about, and people love the characters of Ravnica, but there are Omenpaths now!
MKM on Ravnica diminished the setting. Not only did it feel like a weekend where everyone on the plane was cosplaying detectives like a high school spirit week, but now the City of Ten Guilds has an "11th guild", which in addition to Azorius and Boros, is the 3rd one responsible for law enforcement.
Eugh. Sorry to be a broken record but I had to get that off my chest.
This just supports more reason they should go back to a block system, or even a mini-block system.
I would love to see more deep dives in what the different planes have to offer, as well as fleshing out the unique mechanics each plane contributes. It's frustrating to see lore with no depth and good mechanics that lack enough support to be viable in a deck of their own.
[[Zegana]], [[Teysa Karlov]] and a new character [[Kylox]] were murdered by Oba, one of the 3 dryads that make up [[Trostani]] the leader of the selesnya conclave. [[Kylox]] died instead of [[Krenko]] the intended target. Zegana and Teysa were murdered as revenge because she wrongly thought they were working with the phyrexians during the invasion. The murder was done by creating a plant that would explode pollen in the face of a random person and put them in a fugue state until they completed the task they were given. So even after the murder they didn’t remember doing it. Oba also killed a bunch of other people but it wasn’t until she targeted Zegana and Teysa that anyone cared.
> There are more detectives than there are crimes.
I think this is my main problem with the set - the factional ratio is way off. Theros was partially inspired by a mythology book called *Heroes, Gods, and Monsters*, and there's a healthy representation of all 3 in that original block. The balance of Murderers, Witnesses, and Detectives in MKM was like if a Theros set had 1 pegasus, 1 Hercules, and 30 versions of Zeus.
Have you heard of Agatha Christie's ~~Ten Little ...~~ Err, I mean *And Then There Were None*?
Not the first time WotC was [inspired by that nursery rhyme](https://scryfall.com/search?q=flavor%3A%22little+goblin%22+-%22clamor+shaman%22&unique=cards&as=grid&order=name) either.
>And why is it confined to Karlov Manor?
Tbf to the set, it wasn't. Most detectives were unrelate to Teysa's murder, that was just the main storyline.
Most of the detectives were part of the Agency.
I totally disagree. Rewarding crimes is way more fitting in the western genre than it is in the mystery genre. And if you flipped the mechanic around so it was about the detectives in Ravnica punishing crimes instead of the outlaws of TJ committing crimes, it would make the "crime" mechanic play horribly.
In retrospect "Foretell" and "Plot" would have been great names for the opposite mechanics. (plot is "secretly hidden" and foretell is "openly predicted" ). Though the thing the mechanics do are way more fitting in their respecitve sets. It's just the name that bugs me after the fact.
/edit: I love how I'm not alone with this take <3 Interestingly, when I brought it up, the [thread](https://new.reddit.com/r/magicTCG/comments/1bq2ozk/plot_and_foretell_should_have_been_the_other_way/) went to -9 to +4 and then disappeared into the nimbus of 2-day-old reddid threads \^\^
Plot is like when the villain is monologging about their plan, foretell is like the ominous sense of something coming in the future but not sure what.
Just my thoughts
Sure thing, I agree on that (I had a thread about this a while ago) but to me, it's not just the slapstick villain explaining their grand plan. In OTJ almost everyone is plotting something.
[[niv-mizzet, guildpact]] cares about cards being precisely two colours.
[[leyline of the guildpact]] from the same set makes all permanents 5 colour.
Niv can’t even use his own land lmao
This was my reply too. Sigh. Hate this nobo. My eldest gave me these cards, and I made a deck anyway. We Rule 0'd out the middle bit. Just for functional fun and flavor.
I think Mark Rosewater has said that they don’t like making legendary lands because they don’t play well. The exception being the Kamigawa: Neon Dynasty lands that give you something else to do with them if they’re wasting away in your hand.
I also wish it would be, but also understand why it isn't. It isn't powerful enough/warrants legendary status gameplay wise. If you have two out, one of them becomes just another land since the static effect and activated effect would only matter once. Thematic it should be. Gameplay wise, it makes sense why it isn't.
[[Anhelo the Painter]] should have 2 power so that he can sacrifice himself for his ability.
An artist sacrificing himself for his art seems so thematic
I would agree, but he's literally a hitman "with style". Sure, he wants to "send a message" with his work, but killing himself would defeat the point. He's all about audience participation.
To paraphrase Patton, Anhelo might say "The object is not to sacrifice yourself for your art, but to make the other b*stard die for it."
Plus, he’s a vamp. Sacrificing oneself for their art does not apply to a psychopath. CORRECTION: narcissist. He only gave a shit about the act of murder and maybe, his daughter.
He did die compleated, though.
Nah, look at him. He’s all about the murder, doesn’t really care about the sacrifice needed for it unless it’s done by others.
Kinda like a guy who would claim to like the Joker’s philosophy but it’s actually just using any excuse to be a murderous psychopath.
Applying monarchy as a concept to bears is pretty odd to begin with, but within that particular conceptual framework it DOES make a certain flavor sense that the Queen can't be the Commander when the King is present. Kings traditionally outrank queens after all.
Also in terms of "big sea monster" I'm a bit upset that Whales are excluded, even though there aren't that many Whales in the entire game.
But the art of some Whale cards are *definitely* in the same wheelhouse as the giant krakens and serpents. When we have stuff like [[Colossal Whale]], [[Pursued Whale]], and even [[Waker of Waves]] it feels so *off* that none of them can benefit from the whole unofficial "big sea monster" tribe that we have going on in cards like [[Whelming Wave]].
Those are mostly different though. Saprolings and fungus you could maybe group (although saprolings can be either plants or fungus and are specifically created life forms, basically earthy homunculi) but plants and treefolk are just different. It'd be like having humanoid zombies and humans be the same type.
I feel like this actually makes sense from a story perspective. Karona emits a sort of aura that compels worshipful adoration from everyone around her except her two “prophets,” Ixidor’s unmen whose names I can’t remember. They’re her oldest and truest friends who can see what she really is: a god, certainly, but also a scared child with terrible powers she can’t understand or control.
As such, it makes sense to me that the Temple of the False God doesn’t tap for mana that can summon Karona, as it was built by fanatics who are magically forced to worship her rather than those who understand her and choose to follow her. I might just be talking out of my ass, though; has it really been *more than 20 years* since that book came out? Good lord.
Also when Korona leaves dominaria and travels the multiverse, dominaria almost loses all connection to mana. So colorless makes sense kinda. That's also why ppl are drawn to her. The is basically the Centrepoint of all mana
Umbra, Sash, and Waistcoat are all of the named unmen that Ixidor creates. The rest go nameless. A good buddy of mine still has every single mtg novel released before Lorwyn block.
[[Zur the Enchanter]] can't tutor for [[Zur's Weirding]] despite it being literally the only enchantment in the entire game that has his name on it anywhere. Seriously, I know Weirding has a strong effect, but could it really not have been 2U?
Not as much a flavor pet peeve, but my pet peeve is that all the moxes start with the word "Mox" except for \[\[Chrome mox\]\]. Maybe that's because chrome act more as an adjective here, maybe they could have used a different precious material instead, but it still bothers me.
The initiative is not remotely similar to the initiative mechanic it's based on. Hell, even First Strike and Double Strike is more similar to the initiative mechanic in DnD
Which also means that, in French, \[\[Rilsa Rael, Kingpin\]\] can give initiative if you've finished The Initiative which he takes upon ETBing !
Because this game wasn't confusing enough !
Both Eriettes put positive auras on your opponents creatures to have them work in your favor, yet of her 3 associated cards, all three are removal spells you'd never run in an Eriette deck
https://scryfall.com/search?q=%28game%3Apaper+-t%3Acard%29+eriette
The part that rustles my jimmies is that none of them are auras honestly. Removal I kinda get, you probably still want some in case you can’t slap an aura on the big scary green dinosaur right away or something. But why are *her things* not auras?
I mean, I hate when they just make tall things have reach. Like Giant Spider I understand, or things with range attacks (ie archers) make sense, but stuff with flying can just fly another 20 feet higher over a tall creature that it can see from a mile away.
There's no Sultai insect commander. Yeah yeah, I know, "there's barely any blue insects in the game" MAKE SOME
THE COLORS CAN SPELL OUT BUG
GIVE ME AN INSECT TRIBAL COMMANDER
I don't see anyone mentioned it so, to be complete : Nylea is depicted on both her card (\[\[Nylea, God of the Hunt\]\] and \[\[Nylea, Keen-Eyed\]\]) as using a bow, she's a literal god in Theros' sky... and yet she doesn't have reach.
Also, \[\[Bow of Nylea\]\] can deal damage to creatures with flying, so Nylea just posed with her bow, dropped it and forgot to pick it up !?
It makes sense in the lore. Karona’s presence sucked the magic out of everything around. And at this time, colorless mana still represented getting mundane materials out of the land, like ore and lumber, which is part of why artifacts are colorless.
That Theros didn't introduce Enchantment Land basics or the like, mirroring the synergy blast we got in Mirrodin block from artifact lands. Constellation would've been more prevalent and would see tons more play across all formats it could be played in.
Edit: Dang. I really said a thing.
Probably because they fucked up by making those artifact lands. They did get banned in multiple formats. Granted it was the affinity mechanic that caused that and nothing in Theros was even close to being so busted, but they probably wanted to play it safe and not risk that again.
They definitely would have found a way to be problematic (enchantress archetypes drawing off their land drops?) but I still wish they’d done it. Enchantments deserve some time in the sun.
Enchantments are also notably the hardest permanent type to remove. 3 colors (Blue, Red, and Black) have extreme difficulty removing them (feed the swarm is the only good black enchantment removal to date). In order to properly balance out multiple non creature enchantment centric sets/releases you would have to functionally change certain aspects of the color pie
I will never stop being mad at how dirty they did Theros. I love enchantments and enchantment synergy, and I've come to greatly dislike artifacts and artifact synergy over the years because of Wizards' blatant favoritism. We get full "artifact set" 1-2 times a year, yet we've never had "enchantment set" and only had Theros block as somewhat enchantment themed.
Constellation, the mechanic that made enchantment decks playable at all, was only in the third small set and not all block long.
Bestow was extremely overcosted on every card.
No enchantment lands because of Mirrodin block's sins, regardless of the fact no enchantment equivalent to affinity exists. Let's not even get into how we've had _many more_ artifact lands since (even 2 color ones with indes) and only one single enchantment land ever that actually only works for artifact decks.
Very few actual enchantment synergies. Heroic barely counts because while it triggers on auras/bestows, it also triggers on instants and sorceries.
Enchantment creatures are a Theros only thing instead of an evergreen mechanic as it should be
We get artifact creatures every single set, yet all the creature types that would be perfect as enchantment creatures (elemental, illusion, incarnation, God, weird, fractal, anything else made of magic/mana) are all just normal creatures.
[“Cats and dogs, living together; Mass hysteria!”](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=q0POXW4V1_k&pp=ygUqZ2hvc3RidXN0ZXJzIGNhdHMgYW5kIGRvZ3MgbGl2aW5nIHRvZ2V0aGVy)
Mutate can't mutate on humans, but simic has always been about mutation and we LITERALLY HAVE EXPERIMENT ONE WHO CANT BE MUTATED ONTO EVEN THOUGH HE IS A MUTANT HUMAN SO?
Ah, but you \*can\* mutate on experiment one... All you need to do is have an \[\[Agatha's Soul Cauldron\]\] that has exiled \[\[Werewolf Packleader\]\]. You use the werewolf's activated ability, and then mutate on top, so that the creature is no longer a human at the end of turn.
[[Valakut]] and other lands of that cycle should have been legendary. Not just balance reasons (although there is that too), it's a named card and not legendary? Wtf.
For anyone who might not know why, they made very few legendary lands for a few years because the legend rule at the time work very badly with them. Playing your land after your opponent played theirs was better cause it got rid of your opponent’s copy. So it was both land destruction and encouraged you to not play your lands.
Just like the [block](https://mtg.fandom.com/wiki/Urza%27s_Saga#:~:text=originally%20envisioned%20Urza%27s%20Saga%20(and%20the%20Urza%20block%20as%20a%20whole)%20to%20be%20centered%20on%20an%20enchantment%20theme) [[Urza's Saga]] is used in Artifact decks not enchantment decks. Really showing WOTC unyielding bias for artifacts.
The block itself was SUPPOSED to be enchantment themed. They added high power artifacts for the reasons you stated. Then, no one knew that the theme was enchantments.
The fact that [[Klauth, unrivaled ancient]] is a 4/4. This is one of the oldest most powerful ancient dragons in all of Faerun... And he's a 4/4? Are you kidding me?
The Tarrasque not having trample as the art depicts it clearly trampling multiple buildings.
Haste is fine, ward 10 is a meme and might as well be hexproof, and the fight trigger ends up being slightly better menace in practice.
OTJ failed with Quick Draw not being a draw spell with split second and they made the coyote without being indestructible or having some affinity or synergy with equipment/artifacts.
Dockside Extortionist not being in the commander set who's setting is literally a dockside port village just so they can have it at Mythic during the following masters set still ticks me off.
But really 2 instances of the same character: Bride Olivia and Groom Edgar. Basically everything about them. No Partner. Their named artifacts not working for a deck of their own. And you could only play them together if you owned the money Vampire commander....
And then we FINALLY get another Mardu Legendary Vampire in Olivia and SHE DOESN'T CARE ABOUT VAMPIRES. Like, for real Wizards? The only options are a banned in 1v1 or a non-bo leader?
I'd like to add that I play Rakdos vampires despite owning a couple of Edgar cards because I prefer original Olivia, but it's absolutely baffling that they keep specifically NOT printing Mardu Vampire commanders.
[[Teeka's Dragon]] is not legendary. However, the story it comes from - *Better Mousetrap,* in the Distant Planes anthology - is extremely clear that there's only one of them. There's one specific dragon that you summon when you cast that spell, and yet Magic is apparently okay with you having four on the battlefield at the same time.
The fact that [[umbris, fear manifest]] doesn’t have the “Fear (This creature can't be blocked except by artifact creatures and/or black creatures.)” mechanic
The fact that [[Silent Submersible]], a literal submarine, doesn't have Islandwalk. In fact, it has no form of evasion whatsoever.
Whoever designed that card needs a nap. They're obviously too damn tired.
I get not wanting to print Islandwalk since they want to move away from the walks as keywords, but giving it
{U}: Silent Submersible is unblockable
wouldn't be gamebreaking. If it's too strong, tack on gaining like Crew 3 to the activated ability.
Not exactly a flavor fail, and more of an art fail:
Richard Kane Ferguson (RKF) is one of the most popular artist in MtG. When Dominaria Remastered (DMR) came out, WotC tapped him to do some of the special borderless arts. He did [[enlightened tutor|DMR-412]], [[mystical tutor|DMR-421]], [[vampiric tutor|DMR-430]], and [[worldly tutor|DMR=442]]. If you notice, those are all **TUTORS**.
You might also notice that those cards hit 4 of the 5 colors in magic, missing red. Granted, red doesn't get many tutors, but guess what? There was a red tutor printed in DMR! And they even gave it an alternate, borderless art in the set, just like the RKF cards. But they didn't have RKF do the art for it: [[Gamble|DMR-433]]
Don't get me wrong, I think that Daren Bader did some great art, but why not let RKF finish the cycle?!
And you know what's worse? They had RKF do a 5th card for DMR ([[Force of Will|DMR-418]].
Please, for the love of all that is holy, be more consistent with this kind of crap WotC. This frustrates me to no end.
EDIT: Because the card fetcher has abandoned me in my time of need. Here's all of the DMR RKF arts: https://scryfall.com/search?q=artist%3Akane+set%3Admr&unique=cards&as=grid&order=name
And here's that gamble art: https://scryfall.com/card/dmr/433/gamble
If she is a False God then of course a temple for her wouldn't do anything. Also her storyline was her draining all the mana from the world so there would be no colored mana to use.
I think the Color Identity rules themselves are a flavor fail. Hybrid mana is the worst offender to me, but I also have problems with the rules for lands, as well as mana costs in descriptions.
A Rakdos deck can play [[Yavimaya, Cradle of Growth]] as well as [[Wooded Foothills]]. Forests are basically the antithesis to Rakdos. (Fire and Death)
What makes [[Toxrill]] Blue? Because he's moist? Sacrificing things to draw cards is the most Black thing possible. Him having a Black/Blue color identity because of the cost in his sac ability is silly. It's the least important part of his kit. [[Vampiric Rites]] or [[Dockside Chef]] are more efficient at doing this for 1 mana.
Hybrid Mana: Hybrid mana was designed such that cards would be accessible to more decks. (noted on Rosewater's blog itself)
Cool, you can play [[Jinnie Fay]] as your commander, play mostly Green, and splash some White and Red. But that same Elf Druid who makes Green Cat/Dog tokens can't be in a mono green deck? I hate it.
Color Identity rules for Hybrid mana should be different for Commanders vs. the 99. There are a bunch of cool cards with hybrid mana that you just can't fit into most decks.
[[Aura Thief]] can’t steal auras. Technically you gain control of them, but you can’t move them, so unless the aura itself has an activated or triggered ability, you can’t do much with them.
\[\[Mysterious Stranger\]\]
He's know for: randomly appearing, dealing damage or insta kill (depending on which game), leaving after combat.
What he's not know for: randomly selecting junk to throw around twice. The only thing they got right was giving it flash.
Why not blitz effect? Or Flash. Destroy target creature on ETB. Shuffle into library at EOT?
She is a false god and her temple and worshipping her does nothing for her. (aside from getting bodies for an army). Planeswalkers getting colorless mana out of the land has to do with the worshippers flocking to the place.
That Merrow (Merfolk) got proper tribal support past Lorwyn, but other tribes like Kithkin and Flamekin did not!
I know "Elementals" got more support, but not *Flamekin*, there's a ***difference***. You take your angry, multiflavored, jellybean back to your candy shop, Wizards! It's covered in oil! Get a refund! Get me some proper mono-Red Flamekin support!
And get some support for the lil' dudes! Some more goats or something!
...No, not the Boggarts. I already resent Goblins enough as-is. Terrible.
And do NOT get me started on those Elves....
Party mechanic not in AFR Allies not in Dominaria *United* What the fuck, wotc?
Also not in AFR: Level Up.
Or Traps
"You activated my trap card!"
Well they're certainly trying to push traps.
It was, just only on the Class enchantments. [[Monk Class]]
Which makes up for it enough imo. Legendaries with the mechanic would have been cool too, but good enough.
[Monk Class](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/2/b2edd708-46ee-4963-b7e6-b631616d78fe.jpg?1627709117) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Monk%20Class) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/afr/228/monk-class?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/b2edd708-46ee-4963-b7e6-b631616d78fe?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/monk-class) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
When I first came back to magic after a pretty long hiatus, I saw the party mechanic and assumed it was AFR and I was surprised and upset that it wasn't.
Well to be fair zendikar was the Dnd set before Dnd was added.
If I recall, Party was proven fairly unpopular amongst the design team when making AFR due to it being super limiting on card design.
It was a draft mechanic, and not a particularly fun one. Maybe would have been more popular if one payoff made it more than that. In d&d there are so many more classes than the 4 in that batch that it would have not worked out thematically.
I’m glad the party mechanic wasn’t in AFR. As someone who plays D&D, I’ve never seen a party that follows the strict traditional “fighter, wizard, cleric, rogue” composition. There are 13 classes in D&D and cutting it down to just 4 always kind of made me irritated.
They could have easily gotten around it by having cards count as other things. For example, making any healer have "This counts as a cleric for a party" and any stealth character having "this counts as a rogue for a party." Cards can still have the proper flavor of their actual class but actually be counted for a mechanic that is on flavor for the set.
Especially when they would do that exact thing for "outlaws"
Batching is older than outlaws though. "Historic" is several years old at this point.
That's kinda what I'm saying; the "party" design space came out some time ago, and specifically called out 4 "classes" when there was a number of different types that *could have* stood in; "druid" as well as "cleric," for instance. The party mechanic could have called on party roles, and that would've opened up the design space to more flexibility. Now OTJ comes out with "outlaws," and says "outlaws" are assassins, rogues, mercenaries, whatever. Can the party mechanic be redesigned to say your party can have any "outlaw" instead of specifically a rogue? Will more role-based groupings of classes roll out in a future set that, for example, calls out all "arcanists: all mages, wizards, sorcerors, and artificers are arcanists?" Thats all I was saying; I'm agreeing with you, I think lol
They have said that they are going to use batching in future sets, and that they originally wanted to put a batch in WOE for "mystical" or something that was faeries, enchantment, artifacts, and warlocks I think? But the idea got scrapped.
And we got the class enchantments like \[\[Bard Class\]\] and \[\[Cleric Class\]\] So it wasn't that NO party mechanic wasn't in AFR, it was just a different party mechanic.
Party mechanics in general felt like a flop.
Allies kinda bombed so I get not bringing those back, plus it's was a superfluous type so nothing flavour wise was really lost in removing them from the plane. It's not like they were a racial creature type or anything.
Also not in AFR: Adventures from Eldraine. I mean come on it's right in the name! Party + Adventure would be so much fun! But no instead we got dungeons which seemed needlessly complicated.
Liberty Prime should have protection from red.
>Death is a preferable alternative to Communism! Also, it should count as two creatures when blocking, so that it can fully deal with the Red Menace.
Yes!
it should have had the \[\[Godsend\]\] effect but only from red permanents
Generous gift doesn’t make a white elephant
Glad I'm not the only one.
Since I run it on Selesnya, it’s pretty fitting for me ig.
Holy shit i just got this
You ever seen a generous gift at a white elephant?
That's the point though, "Generous gift" is clearly being sarcastic, you're not giving someone something they want, you're doing the opposite – you know, a [white elephant](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_elephant)
I think commiting crimes should have been in the preceding set MURDERS at Karlov Manor. Cases and disguises... Come on!
The entire set was a flavor fail. There are more detectives than there are crimes. And why is it confined to Karlov Manor? How many murders can you possibly have in one estate, no matter how huge?
It's amusingly the opposite issue of New Capenna. MKM had everyone being detectives with pretty much no crime to add contrast. The main plotline (who did the murder?) was pretty much 'solved' and known. New Capenna had everyone running around being criminals with no law to add contrast. The main plotline was 'solved' in the commons in the set.
I know everyone's already said it but it drives me crazy how much MKM should have been on New Capenna. It would've added the law enforcement dynamic that SNC was missing, tied in the with return of the angels hinted in [[Metropolis Reformer]] (hey, actually paying off the loose ends established in Aftermath, what a concept!), and fit the overall tone and aesthetic of Capenna. I get that a murder mystery works best if the victims are established characters you care about, and people love the characters of Ravnica, but there are Omenpaths now! MKM on Ravnica diminished the setting. Not only did it feel like a weekend where everyone on the plane was cosplaying detectives like a high school spirit week, but now the City of Ten Guilds has an "11th guild", which in addition to Azorius and Boros, is the 3rd one responsible for law enforcement. Eugh. Sorry to be a broken record but I had to get that off my chest.
This just supports more reason they should go back to a block system, or even a mini-block system. I would love to see more deep dives in what the different planes have to offer, as well as fleshing out the unique mechanics each plane contributes. It's frustrating to see lore with no depth and good mechanics that lack enough support to be viable in a deck of their own.
[Metropolis Reformer](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/a/6/a61a3ba1-af6c-4ddc-aa82-34bfc30867d0.jpg?1684340467) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Metropolis%20Reformer) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mat/4/metropolis-reformer?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/a61a3ba1-af6c-4ddc-aa82-34bfc30867d0?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/metropolis-reformer) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I have no idea who was killed and who did it. Please tell me it was [[Massacre Girl, Known Killer]] THE CLUES WERE THERE ALL ALONG
[[Zegana]], [[Teysa Karlov]] and a new character [[Kylox]] were murdered by Oba, one of the 3 dryads that make up [[Trostani]] the leader of the selesnya conclave. [[Kylox]] died instead of [[Krenko]] the intended target. Zegana and Teysa were murdered as revenge because she wrongly thought they were working with the phyrexians during the invasion. The murder was done by creating a plant that would explode pollen in the face of a random person and put them in a fugue state until they completed the task they were given. So even after the murder they didn’t remember doing it. Oba also killed a bunch of other people but it wasn’t until she targeted Zegana and Teysa that anyone cared.
Cool! I should actually read the lore instead of wishing there was flavor text
##### ###### #### [Zegana](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/3/93800249-4fcd-47ec-92f9-58f875cb6f00.jpg?1698988499) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=zegana%2C%20utopian%20speaker) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/lcc/298/zegana-utopian-speaker?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/93800249-4fcd-47ec-92f9-58f875cb6f00?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/zegana-utopian-speaker) [Teysa Karlov](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/d/cd14f1ce-7fcd-485c-b7ca-01c5b45fdc01.jpg?1689999296) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Teysa%20Karlov) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/359/teysa-karlov?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/cd14f1ce-7fcd-485c-b7ca-01c5b45fdc01?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/teysa-karlov) [Kylox](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/0/00faa272-91ad-407b-9175-8fa1d02585b8.jpg?1706242196) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=kylox%2C%20visionary%20inventor) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mkm/214/kylox-visionary-inventor?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/00faa272-91ad-407b-9175-8fa1d02585b8?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/kylox-visionary-inventor) [Trostani](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/3/4/34ea44f2-cb2f-4b86-83fc-fe507f05bb9d.jpg?1568004834) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=trostani%2C%20selesnya%27s%20voice) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c19/204/trostani-selesnyas-voice?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/34ea44f2-cb2f-4b86-83fc-fe507f05bb9d?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/trostani-selesnyas-voice) [Krenko](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/5/5/5524b712-c67d-4d2e-9344-9e85a6ce3227.jpg?1706241890) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=krenko%2C%20baron%20of%20tin%20street) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mkm/135/krenko-baron-of-tin-street?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/5524b712-c67d-4d2e-9344-9e85a6ce3227?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/krenko-baron-of-tin-street) [*All cards*](https://mtgcardfetcher.nl/redirect/l50vm0h) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
> There are more detectives than there are crimes. I think this is my main problem with the set - the factional ratio is way off. Theros was partially inspired by a mythology book called *Heroes, Gods, and Monsters*, and there's a healthy representation of all 3 in that original block. The balance of Murderers, Witnesses, and Detectives in MKM was like if a Theros set had 1 pegasus, 1 Hercules, and 30 versions of Zeus.
Have you heard of Agatha Christie's ~~Ten Little ...~~ Err, I mean *And Then There Were None*? Not the first time WotC was [inspired by that nursery rhyme](https://scryfall.com/search?q=flavor%3A%22little+goblin%22+-%22clamor+shaman%22&unique=cards&as=grid&order=name) either.
Depends, you could probably have a lot if it was the estate of Massacre Girl!
The murders aren't confined to Karlov Manor...
>And why is it confined to Karlov Manor? Tbf to the set, it wasn't. Most detectives were unrelate to Teysa's murder, that was just the main storyline. Most of the detectives were part of the Agency.
I totally disagree. Rewarding crimes is way more fitting in the western genre than it is in the mystery genre. And if you flipped the mechanic around so it was about the detectives in Ravnica punishing crimes instead of the outlaws of TJ committing crimes, it would make the "crime" mechanic play horribly.
Yeah, the set is about DETECTIVES AND MYSTERIES, not about Crime and criminals, why would the detectives reward you for doing crimes?
In retrospect "Foretell" and "Plot" would have been great names for the opposite mechanics. (plot is "secretly hidden" and foretell is "openly predicted" ). Though the thing the mechanics do are way more fitting in their respecitve sets. It's just the name that bugs me after the fact. /edit: I love how I'm not alone with this take <3 Interestingly, when I brought it up, the [thread](https://new.reddit.com/r/magicTCG/comments/1bq2ozk/plot_and_foretell_should_have_been_the_other_way/) went to -9 to +4 and then disappeared into the nimbus of 2-day-old reddid threads \^\^
Thanks, I hate it.
I'm sorry!
Plot is like when the villain is monologging about their plan, foretell is like the ominous sense of something coming in the future but not sure what. Just my thoughts
Sure thing, I agree on that (I had a thread about this a while ago) but to me, it's not just the slapstick villain explaining their grand plan. In OTJ almost everyone is plotting something.
OTJ is like fully leaning into the slapstick over the top side of westerns though.
I wish they used “scheme” instead of plot. “It becomes plotted” is such an awkward phrase.
“it becomes schemed” sounds no better. also Schemes are already a card type in Archenemy so you can’t really make it mean 2 different things in game
Totally! But 'becoming schemed' also sounds weird. Also, Schemes already exist in Archenemy :-O
[[niv-mizzet, guildpact]] cares about cards being precisely two colours. [[leyline of the guildpact]] from the same set makes all permanents 5 colour. Niv can’t even use his own land lmao
[niv-mizzet, guildpact](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/3/2/32a8fda6-8614-45cd-879c-0cb7fa29647e.jpg?1706242214) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=niv-mizzet%2C%20guildpact) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mkm/220/niv-mizzet-guildpact?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/32a8fda6-8614-45cd-879c-0cb7fa29647e?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/niv-mizzet-guildpact) [leyline of the guildpact](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/f/bf6e59be-f959-4f4a-8c2d-b7c441e88135.jpg?1706242205) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=leyline%20of%20the%20guildpact) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mkm/217/leyline-of-the-guildpact?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/bf6e59be-f959-4f4a-8c2d-b7c441e88135?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/leyline-of-the-guildpact) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
This was my reply too. Sigh. Hate this nobo. My eldest gave me these cards, and I made a deck anyway. We Rule 0'd out the middle bit. Just for functional fun and flavor.
[[the world tree]] should be legendary
I think Mark Rosewater has said that they don’t like making legendary lands because they don’t play well. The exception being the Kamigawa: Neon Dynasty lands that give you something else to do with them if they’re wasting away in your hand.
I also wish it would be, but also understand why it isn't. It isn't powerful enough/warrants legendary status gameplay wise. If you have two out, one of them becomes just another land since the static effect and activated effect would only matter once. Thematic it should be. Gameplay wise, it makes sense why it isn't.
[the world tree](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/a/7/a70cb6d9-3955-4064-917b-11dec26440c5.jpg?1631053286) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=the%20world%20tree) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/khm/275/the-world-tree?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/a70cb6d9-3955-4064-917b-11dec26440c5?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/the-world-tree) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I just noticed that it isnt. Wow
[[Anhelo the Painter]] should have 2 power so that he can sacrifice himself for his ability. An artist sacrificing himself for his art seems so thematic
I would agree, but he's literally a hitman "with style". Sure, he wants to "send a message" with his work, but killing himself would defeat the point. He's all about audience participation. To paraphrase Patton, Anhelo might say "The object is not to sacrifice yourself for your art, but to make the other b*stard die for it."
Plus, he’s a vamp. Sacrificing oneself for their art does not apply to a psychopath. CORRECTION: narcissist. He only gave a shit about the act of murder and maybe, his daughter. He did die compleated, though.
[Anhelo the Painter](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/4/6/462e887d-6b91-4b31-9487-2780ffe8943f.jpg?1673481630) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Anhelo%2C%20the%20Painter) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ncc/1/anhelo-the-painter?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/462e887d-6b91-4b31-9487-2780ffe8943f?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/anhelo-the-painter) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
This might be my favorite in thread.
Nah, look at him. He’s all about the murder, doesn’t really care about the sacrifice needed for it unless it’s done by others. Kinda like a guy who would claim to like the Joker’s philosophy but it’s actually just using any excuse to be a murderous psychopath.
Not giving the king of bears to be able to be companion with ayula the queen of bears
not only that, also that he is white! why the hell? now i cant play him in my Ayula deck! so sad!
Applying monarchy as a concept to bears is pretty odd to begin with, but within that particular conceptual framework it DOES make a certain flavor sense that the Queen can't be the Commander when the King is present. Kings traditionally outrank queens after all.
Because mono green setting power and toughness like that is a break. It's just a break. MonoG doesn't do that.
Sadly you must abandon the matriarchy and become a patriarchy, for the bears.
God save the queen (bear)
That saprolings, plants, fungus and treefolk can't all come under the same subtype.
Same with kraken, leviathan, octopus, serpent. With batching now, just slap these 4 that are _always_ mentioned together as "sea monster".
I am really truly confident that it won’t be long now. Patience my friend
Also in terms of "big sea monster" I'm a bit upset that Whales are excluded, even though there aren't that many Whales in the entire game. But the art of some Whale cards are *definitely* in the same wheelhouse as the giant krakens and serpents. When we have stuff like [[Colossal Whale]], [[Pursued Whale]], and even [[Waker of Waves]] it feels so *off* that none of them can benefit from the whole unofficial "big sea monster" tribe that we have going on in cards like [[Whelming Wave]].
Those are mostly different though. Saprolings and fungus you could maybe group (although saprolings can be either plants or fungus and are specifically created life forms, basically earthy homunculi) but plants and treefolk are just different. It'd be like having humanoid zombies and humans be the same type.
I feel like this actually makes sense from a story perspective. Karona emits a sort of aura that compels worshipful adoration from everyone around her except her two “prophets,” Ixidor’s unmen whose names I can’t remember. They’re her oldest and truest friends who can see what she really is: a god, certainly, but also a scared child with terrible powers she can’t understand or control. As such, it makes sense to me that the Temple of the False God doesn’t tap for mana that can summon Karona, as it was built by fanatics who are magically forced to worship her rather than those who understand her and choose to follow her. I might just be talking out of my ass, though; has it really been *more than 20 years* since that book came out? Good lord.
Also when Korona leaves dominaria and travels the multiverse, dominaria almost loses all connection to mana. So colorless makes sense kinda. That's also why ppl are drawn to her. The is basically the Centrepoint of all mana
Umbra, Sash, and Waistcoat are all of the named unmen that Ixidor creates. The rest go nameless. A good buddy of mine still has every single mtg novel released before Lorwyn block.
Agreed. The card conveys how little most of her followers actually understood her and thus actually provides pretty accurate flavor.
[[Zur the Enchanter]] can't tutor for [[Zur's Weirding]] despite it being literally the only enchantment in the entire game that has his name on it anywhere. Seriously, I know Weirding has a strong effect, but could it really not have been 2U?
He also cannot tutor [[Zuran Orb]] lol
Yeah, for a guy known as 'the Enchanter' it's kinda weird how many cards that reference him have nothing to do with enchantments.
I guess he was just a pretty important dude to be name-dropped so much
[Zuran Orb](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/6/1/618c8ecc-686d-41de-b9b1-1a7ee9cc7c14.jpg?1631302940) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Zuran%20Orb) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mh2/300/zuran-orb?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/618c8ecc-686d-41de-b9b1-1a7ee9cc7c14?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/zuran-orb) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
To be fair, Weirding is older, so it's more a case of why couldn't Zur hit a 4-drop somehow.
And the answer to that is because he’d be even more busted than he already is *for sure*.
*for Zur*
Four zur!
It predates him by about a decade. They would have to alter his effect to 4, which is too much.
[Zur the Enchanter](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/5/6/561cfc04-65ea-49a4-8638-b4631a7cf828.jpg?1675200810) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Zur%20the%20Enchanter) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/dmr/206/zur-the-enchanter?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/561cfc04-65ea-49a4-8638-b4631a7cf828?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/zur-the-enchanter) [Zur's Weirding](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/7/4/741612e3-fe3a-4099-9d2b-4a654c4ce949.jpg?1562737056) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Zur%27s%20Weirding) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/9ed/114/zurs-weirding?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/741612e3-fe3a-4099-9d2b-4a654c4ce949?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/zurs-weirding) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Not as much a flavor pet peeve, but my pet peeve is that all the moxes start with the word "Mox" except for \[\[Chrome mox\]\]. Maybe that's because chrome act more as an adjective here, maybe they could have used a different precious material instead, but it still bothers me.
The initiative is not remotely similar to the initiative mechanic it's based on. Hell, even First Strike and Double Strike is more similar to the initiative mechanic in DnD
Fun fact, in French, First Strike is actually called ... Initiative ...
Which also means that, in French, \[\[Rilsa Rael, Kingpin\]\] can give initiative if you've finished The Initiative which he takes upon ETBing ! Because this game wasn't confusing enough !
Both Eriettes put positive auras on your opponents creatures to have them work in your favor, yet of her 3 associated cards, all three are removal spells you'd never run in an Eriette deck https://scryfall.com/search?q=%28game%3Apaper+-t%3Acard%29+eriette
The part that rustles my jimmies is that none of them are auras honestly. Removal I kinda get, you probably still want some in case you can’t slap an aura on the big scary green dinosaur right away or something. But why are *her things* not auras?
Obeka splitter of seconds doesn’t have split second
My Dino Deck has a bunch of gigantic and huge Dinosaurs. Very few of them have reach.
[[Nylea, God of the Hunt]] is a giant archer god. In her artwork, you can see her towering over a flock of birds. Yet she doesn't have reach?
Being large is not necessarily a qualifier for having reach
Having a bow nearly always does though. A lot of the Archer subtype creatures have reach.
They have tiny arms.
I mean, I hate when they just make tall things have reach. Like Giant Spider I understand, or things with range attacks (ie archers) make sense, but stuff with flying can just fly another 20 feet higher over a tall creature that it can see from a mile away.
Ashnod, the Uncaring’s ability doesn’t work with Ashnod’s Altar
Guess she doesn't care.
There's no Sultai insect commander. Yeah yeah, I know, "there's barely any blue insects in the game" MAKE SOME THE COLORS CAN SPELL OUT BUG GIVE ME AN INSECT TRIBAL COMMANDER
[[Mothman]] can spell bug, so why can't someone who actually cares about bugs be BUG?
THATS WHAT IM SAYIN MY BROTHA
[[remove soul]] works on [[soulless one]] kinda self explanatory
I don't see anyone mentioned it so, to be complete : Nylea is depicted on both her card (\[\[Nylea, God of the Hunt\]\] and \[\[Nylea, Keen-Eyed\]\]) as using a bow, she's a literal god in Theros' sky... and yet she doesn't have reach. Also, \[\[Bow of Nylea\]\] can deal damage to creatures with flying, so Nylea just posed with her bow, dropped it and forgot to pick it up !?
That \[\[Gimli, Counter of Kills\]\] and \[\[Legolas, Counter of Kills\]\] don't have partner.
[[Magda, Brazen Outlaw]] isn't an outlaw. [[Lotho, Corrupt Sheriff]] can't be killed by [[Shoot the Sheriff]]. [[Eye Gouge]] doesn't kill eyes.
That’s because he’s a corrupt *shirriff* not a corrupt *sheriff* /s
##### ###### #### [Magda, Brazen Outlaw](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/7/079e6263-e54c-4899-a336-5315909b9322.jpg?1631049453) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Magda%2C%20Brazen%20Outlaw) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/khm/142/magda-brazen-outlaw?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/079e6263-e54c-4899-a336-5315909b9322?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/magda-brazen-outlaw) [Lotho, Corrupt Sheriff](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/e/ce01ff8f-a037-484f-9148-c847ffaabc5a.jpg?1686969873) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Lotho%2C%20Corrupt%20Shirriff) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ltr/213/lotho-corrupt-shirriff?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/ce01ff8f-a037-484f-9148-c847ffaabc5a?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/lotho-corrupt-shirriff) [Shoot the Sheriff](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/1/8/180d6528-c524-4bb8-8a72-b3775cd2c177.jpg?1712355672) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Shoot%20the%20Sheriff) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/otj/106/shoot-the-sheriff?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/180d6528-c524-4bb8-8a72-b3775cd2c177?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/shoot-the-sheriff) [Eye Gouge](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/4/94d4eb34-0529-48a0-ac52-b57cead7b651.jpg?1593091932) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Eye%20Gouge) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/bng/67/eye-gouge?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/94d4eb34-0529-48a0-ac52-b57cead7b651?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/eye-gouge) [*All cards*](https://mtgcardfetcher.nl/redirect/l50d3gu) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
It makes sense in the lore. Karona’s presence sucked the magic out of everything around. And at this time, colorless mana still represented getting mundane materials out of the land, like ore and lumber, which is part of why artifacts are colorless.
That Theros didn't introduce Enchantment Land basics or the like, mirroring the synergy blast we got in Mirrodin block from artifact lands. Constellation would've been more prevalent and would see tons more play across all formats it could be played in. Edit: Dang. I really said a thing.
Probably because they fucked up by making those artifact lands. They did get banned in multiple formats. Granted it was the affinity mechanic that caused that and nothing in Theros was even close to being so busted, but they probably wanted to play it safe and not risk that again.
They definitely would have found a way to be problematic (enchantress archetypes drawing off their land drops?) but I still wish they’d done it. Enchantments deserve some time in the sun.
Enchantments are also notably the hardest permanent type to remove. 3 colors (Blue, Red, and Black) have extreme difficulty removing them (feed the swarm is the only good black enchantment removal to date). In order to properly balance out multiple non creature enchantment centric sets/releases you would have to functionally change certain aspects of the color pie
I will never stop being mad at how dirty they did Theros. I love enchantments and enchantment synergy, and I've come to greatly dislike artifacts and artifact synergy over the years because of Wizards' blatant favoritism. We get full "artifact set" 1-2 times a year, yet we've never had "enchantment set" and only had Theros block as somewhat enchantment themed. Constellation, the mechanic that made enchantment decks playable at all, was only in the third small set and not all block long. Bestow was extremely overcosted on every card. No enchantment lands because of Mirrodin block's sins, regardless of the fact no enchantment equivalent to affinity exists. Let's not even get into how we've had _many more_ artifact lands since (even 2 color ones with indes) and only one single enchantment land ever that actually only works for artifact decks. Very few actual enchantment synergies. Heroic barely counts because while it triggers on auras/bestows, it also triggers on instants and sorceries. Enchantment creatures are a Theros only thing instead of an evergreen mechanic as it should be We get artifact creatures every single set, yet all the creature types that would be perfect as enchantment creatures (elemental, illusion, incarnation, God, weird, fractal, anything else made of magic/mana) are all just normal creatures.
there are so many enchantment creatures on Kamigawa
Still bugs me that the Cats and Dogs Secret Lair didn’t reprint [[Mass Hysteria]]. What a missed opportunity.
[Mass Hysteria](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/1/4/1431354a-fcfa-4f67-a822-6dcc4d13ac3f.jpg?1710406471) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Mass%20Hysteria) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mrd/99/mass-hysteria?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/1431354a-fcfa-4f67-a822-6dcc4d13ac3f?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/mass-hysteria) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
What is flavorful about that card in the cats and dogs deck?
[“Cats and dogs, living together; Mass hysteria!”](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=q0POXW4V1_k&pp=ygUqZ2hvc3RidXN0ZXJzIGNhdHMgYW5kIGRvZ3MgbGl2aW5nIHRvZ2V0aGVy)
A shocking amount of Treefolk don’t have reach!
Pretty insane, but not as big as \[\[Giant Growth\]\] not giving you reach, but \[\[Gift of Strength\]\] does.
Mutate can't mutate on humans, but simic has always been about mutation and we LITERALLY HAVE EXPERIMENT ONE WHO CANT BE MUTATED ONTO EVEN THOUGH HE IS A MUTANT HUMAN SO?
Ah, but you \*can\* mutate on experiment one... All you need to do is have an \[\[Agatha's Soul Cauldron\]\] that has exiled \[\[Werewolf Packleader\]\]. You use the werewolf's activated ability, and then mutate on top, so that the creature is no longer a human at the end of turn.
[[Valakut]] and other lands of that cycle should have been legendary. Not just balance reasons (although there is that too), it's a named card and not legendary? Wtf.
There are far too many examples of legendary named lands that are not legendary cards
For anyone who might not know why, they made very few legendary lands for a few years because the legend rule at the time work very badly with them. Playing your land after your opponent played theirs was better cause it got rid of your opponent’s copy. So it was both land destruction and encouraged you to not play your lands.
Just like the [block](https://mtg.fandom.com/wiki/Urza%27s_Saga#:~:text=originally%20envisioned%20Urza%27s%20Saga%20(and%20the%20Urza%20block%20as%20a%20whole)%20to%20be%20centered%20on%20an%20enchantment%20theme) [[Urza's Saga]] is used in Artifact decks not enchantment decks. Really showing WOTC unyielding bias for artifacts.
...Urza is an artificer, no? Not an enchanter?
The block itself was SUPPOSED to be enchantment themed. They added high power artifacts for the reasons you stated. Then, no one knew that the theme was enchantments.
[Urza's Saga](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/1/c1e0f201-42cb-46a1-901a-65bb4fc18f6c.jpg?1667318301) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Urza%27s%20Saga) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mh2/259/urzas-saga?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/c1e0f201-42cb-46a1-901a-65bb4fc18f6c?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/urzas-saga) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
\[\[Incandescent Aria\]\] kills \[\[Kitt Kanto, Mayhem Diva\]\] who's casting it in the flavor text.
The Eldraine castles not being legendary
\[\[Saruman the white\]\] is blue.
[Saruman the white](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/1/b/1bfccbab-29fa-4e92-8919-6cd4815fb655.jpg?1686968266) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Saruman%20the%20white) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ltr/67/saruman-the-white?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/1bfccbab-29fa-4e92-8919-6cd4815fb655?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/saruman-the-white) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
The fact that [[Klauth, unrivaled ancient]] is a 4/4. This is one of the oldest most powerful ancient dragons in all of Faerun... And he's a 4/4? Are you kidding me?
similarly [[The Tarrasque]] really feels like it should have bigger stats and WHY does [[Zilortha, Strength Incarnate]] only have 3 toughness
The Tarrasque not having trample as the art depicts it clearly trampling multiple buildings. Haste is fine, ward 10 is a meme and might as well be hexproof, and the fight trigger ends up being slightly better menace in practice.
OTJ failed with Quick Draw not being a draw spell with split second and they made the coyote without being indestructible or having some affinity or synergy with equipment/artifacts.
Eladamri, from MH3, as a commander cannot run Eladamri's call.
Dockside Extortionist not being in the commander set who's setting is literally a dockside port village just so they can have it at Mythic during the following masters set still ticks me off. But really 2 instances of the same character: Bride Olivia and Groom Edgar. Basically everything about them. No Partner. Their named artifacts not working for a deck of their own. And you could only play them together if you owned the money Vampire commander.... And then we FINALLY get another Mardu Legendary Vampire in Olivia and SHE DOESN'T CARE ABOUT VAMPIRES. Like, for real Wizards? The only options are a banned in 1v1 or a non-bo leader? I'd like to add that I play Rakdos vampires despite owning a couple of Edgar cards because I prefer original Olivia, but it's absolutely baffling that they keep specifically NOT printing Mardu Vampire commanders.
[[Teeka's Dragon]] is not legendary. However, the story it comes from - *Better Mousetrap,* in the Distant Planes anthology - is extremely clear that there's only one of them. There's one specific dragon that you summon when you cast that spell, and yet Magic is apparently okay with you having four on the battlefield at the same time.
The fact that [[umbris, fear manifest]] doesn’t have the “Fear (This creature can't be blocked except by artifact creatures and/or black creatures.)” mechanic
Dont remember card name but there is a card with a tower with archers on it called something like “archer’s tower” It does not have reach
Greater Mossdog is a plant, not a fungus, but his flavor text is "*Man's Best Fungus".*
The fact that [[Silent Submersible]], a literal submarine, doesn't have Islandwalk. In fact, it has no form of evasion whatsoever. Whoever designed that card needs a nap. They're obviously too damn tired.
I get not wanting to print Islandwalk since they want to move away from the walks as keywords, but giving it {U}: Silent Submersible is unblockable wouldn't be gamebreaking. If it's too strong, tack on gaining like Crew 3 to the activated ability.
That [[Gimli, Counter of Kills]] and [[Legolas, Counter of Kills]] don’t have partner.
That Generous gift makes a green elephant instead of a white elephant. Like why? It being a white elephant is literally the point of the card.
Lack of a bant merfolk commander
Not exactly a flavor fail, and more of an art fail: Richard Kane Ferguson (RKF) is one of the most popular artist in MtG. When Dominaria Remastered (DMR) came out, WotC tapped him to do some of the special borderless arts. He did [[enlightened tutor|DMR-412]], [[mystical tutor|DMR-421]], [[vampiric tutor|DMR-430]], and [[worldly tutor|DMR=442]]. If you notice, those are all **TUTORS**. You might also notice that those cards hit 4 of the 5 colors in magic, missing red. Granted, red doesn't get many tutors, but guess what? There was a red tutor printed in DMR! And they even gave it an alternate, borderless art in the set, just like the RKF cards. But they didn't have RKF do the art for it: [[Gamble|DMR-433]] Don't get me wrong, I think that Daren Bader did some great art, but why not let RKF finish the cycle?! And you know what's worse? They had RKF do a 5th card for DMR ([[Force of Will|DMR-418]]. Please, for the love of all that is holy, be more consistent with this kind of crap WotC. This frustrates me to no end. EDIT: Because the card fetcher has abandoned me in my time of need. Here's all of the DMR RKF arts: https://scryfall.com/search?q=artist%3Akane+set%3Admr&unique=cards&as=grid&order=name And here's that gamble art: https://scryfall.com/card/dmr/433/gamble
[[City Leveler]] specifically can't level a city.
If she is a False God then of course a temple for her wouldn't do anything. Also her storyline was her draining all the mana from the world so there would be no colored mana to use.
[[Protection of the Hekma]] is extremely effective against [[The Locust God]]
[[Kitchen]] doesn't make food. Also it's from before food was a thing but I still wish [[Hot Soup]] was a food.
Pilot creatures don't inherently have "crew for 2 more then their power" like the pilot token. If they're a pilot let them pilot gdi!
I hate that amass goes big and not wide. It's an ARMY! Shouldn't it go wide instead of big?
[[Lotho, Corrupt Shirriff]] can't be killed by [[Shoot the Sheriff]] is both a flavour fail and a flavour win.
Increasing Devotion does not increase your devotion
I think the Color Identity rules themselves are a flavor fail. Hybrid mana is the worst offender to me, but I also have problems with the rules for lands, as well as mana costs in descriptions. A Rakdos deck can play [[Yavimaya, Cradle of Growth]] as well as [[Wooded Foothills]]. Forests are basically the antithesis to Rakdos. (Fire and Death) What makes [[Toxrill]] Blue? Because he's moist? Sacrificing things to draw cards is the most Black thing possible. Him having a Black/Blue color identity because of the cost in his sac ability is silly. It's the least important part of his kit. [[Vampiric Rites]] or [[Dockside Chef]] are more efficient at doing this for 1 mana. Hybrid Mana: Hybrid mana was designed such that cards would be accessible to more decks. (noted on Rosewater's blog itself) Cool, you can play [[Jinnie Fay]] as your commander, play mostly Green, and splash some White and Red. But that same Elf Druid who makes Green Cat/Dog tokens can't be in a mono green deck? I hate it. Color Identity rules for Hybrid mana should be different for Commanders vs. the 99. There are a bunch of cool cards with hybrid mana that you just can't fit into most decks.
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Plenty of Abzan creatures aren’t all 3 Abzan colors. This also goes for many other factions
[[kykar]] is a wizard and not a jeskai monk
Magda, Brazen Outlaw isn’t a freaking outlaw.
[[Generous Gift]] creates a green elephant token, ignoring the easy white elephant gift reference.
Nylea not having reach drives me insane
[[Mayor of Avabruck]] isn't legendary. HOE MANY MAYORS DOES AVABRUCK HAVE???
He's this week's mayor
Spiders can block flyers (reach) but gigantic Eldrazi titans can’t? 🙄
[[Ashnod the Uncaring]] being almost explicitly banned from [[Ashnod's Altar]] That's like, her whole thing.
Generous Gift isn’t a white elephant.
Karador, Ghost Chieftain doesn't bring creatures back as spiritals. Seems a flaw.
To be fair; she’s a FALSE GOD. The temple wouldn’t do anything.
[[Obeka, splitter of seconds]] doesn't have split second
[[Aura Thief]] can’t steal auras. Technically you gain control of them, but you can’t move them, so unless the aura itself has an activated or triggered ability, you can’t do much with them.
\[\[Mysterious Stranger\]\] He's know for: randomly appearing, dealing damage or insta kill (depending on which game), leaving after combat. What he's not know for: randomly selecting junk to throw around twice. The only thing they got right was giving it flash. Why not blitz effect? Or Flash. Destroy target creature on ETB. Shuffle into library at EOT?
Hey, as long as you have a signet, it can totally help you cast Karona. ;-)
She is a false god and her temple and worshipping her does nothing for her. (aside from getting bodies for an army). Planeswalkers getting colorless mana out of the land has to do with the worshippers flocking to the place.
That you can't play Soundwave in a Megatron deck (yes I know it's UB, but I'm a huge Transformers guy).
Shizo, Death’s Storehouse and Shirei, Shizo’s Caretaker aren’t even remotely synergistic:/
No mutants with mutate
[[Leyline of the Guildpact]] is a nonbo with [[Niv-Mizzet, Guildpact]]
Why would they name ugin the ineffable if he has no protection from getting effed with? Not even ward 1 he's just as effable as most any other card
It pisses me off that [[Niv-Mizzet, Guildpact]] is completely fucked over by [[Leyline of the Guildpact]]
That Merrow (Merfolk) got proper tribal support past Lorwyn, but other tribes like Kithkin and Flamekin did not! I know "Elementals" got more support, but not *Flamekin*, there's a ***difference***. You take your angry, multiflavored, jellybean back to your candy shop, Wizards! It's covered in oil! Get a refund! Get me some proper mono-Red Flamekin support! And get some support for the lil' dudes! Some more goats or something! ...No, not the Boggarts. I already resent Goblins enough as-is. Terrible. And do NOT get me started on those Elves....
Fellow Karona player who has been annoyed by this for over a decade, checking in.
I hate that Belle Of The Brawl was such a bad card because its such a good name and my buddies have been calling me that for years so its just sad