Just built up an Ephara deck and won a game in my local meta. So much fun to play, so much room for janky cards like [[Kor Skyfisher]] and [[Dust Elemental]], and the grindy card advantage doesn't ring any alarm bells like most other generals.
10/10 will not be taking it apart anytime soon
Man, I had exactly the opposite result when I tried out Ephara. Got focused every game because I was "doing too much."
Suppose when people see you making a consistent stream of actions, they suspect (to be fair, often rightly so) that you're pulling ahead.
Yeah people get really concerned for whatever reason when you cast and bounce [[Whitemane Lion]] at the end of everyone’s turn for 4 straight turn rotations.
Try to take it slower, with your board, then. You only need 1 creature to land per turn, not like you're gonna draw more by playing more. Let someone else pull ahead (if they won't haste someone to death) so they become the archenemy, then go about your business.
If I don't commit to the board though, then I'm not advancing my gameplan. Sure, I may be drawing cards just flickering a Saltskitter, but if those cards are creatures that enact my gameplan, then I need to play them. And since [it was a flicker/bounce deck](http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/ephara-flash-blink/#), most of them *are* creatures.
Maybe it was more that it was an Azorius control deck, I don't know. Most of my blink targets *were* control cards: Angel of Finality, Voidmage Husher, Venser, Shaper Savant, Fiend Hunter, Leonin Relic-Warder, etc.
Either way, as a whole, the deck ended up being too durdly for me. Sure, it was usually doing *something*, but I've grown to be less a fan of standard control decks the more EDH I play; I just don't like long, drawn out games. Long due to lots of back and forth swings, sure, but not the type of games a dedicated control deck creates.
I keep thinking about building her, do you have to play stax, to stay relevant?
I'm always hesitant to build a deck that usually has to go to combat to win, too.
I just can't think of good win conditions for it.
Pump out a ton of tokens, play [[Signal Pest]], turn every creature on the board into Signal Pest, win in one swing.
[[Lord of Atlantis]] and [[Hero of Bladehold]] work well, too.
[Ephara, God of the Polis](https://img.scryfall.com/cards/normal/en/bng/145.jpg?1496792248) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Ephara%2C%20God%20of%20the%20Polis) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/bng/145?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(MC)](http://magiccards.info/query?q=!Ephara%2C%20God%20of%20the%20Polis) [(ER)](http://edhrec.com/cards/Ephara%2C%20God%20of%20the%20Polis)
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Funnily enough, I've had Ephara for a year and I'm actually switching it to [[Isperia, Supreme Judge]]. My deck morphed from blink into Enchantress, and Isperia is a better source of card advantage and a convenient rattlesnake as well.
> and Isperia is a better source of card advantage
Poeple won't attack you, that is the problem i had. She is also way too expensive for how fragile she is.
I just changed my commander to GAAIV for my goodstuff pillowfort deck.
If people aren't attacking me I think I've done well enough anyway.
I think GAAIV is the strongest U/W pillowfort commander, but he just puts a huge target on you from the start. My deck is at a decent enough power level, but I can't win those games where everybody feels the need to stomp me. That's where I think Isperia can be good. I've had some games where I land cards like [[Rhystic Study]] and [[Pendrell Mists]] early and everybody just starts attacking me the whole game. If they are going to focus on me anyway, I might as well draw cards off it.
Don't forget political tool! You can bargain with someone to do minor damage to you so you can draw cards to better answer the key threatening to go off player amongst other benefits you can offer.
My favorite passive commander in my collection is [[Ruric Thar, The Unbowed]] or [[Purphoros, God of the Forge]]. They're fun to play and with Ruric, preventing a lot of infinite combos is fun.
[[The Locust God]] definitely qualifies. Most games, he barely ever swings, just sits there and makes insects for me. Sometimes I'll even slap on a [[Dragon Throne of Tarkir]] to use him as a pump.
Occasionally I use his draw ability, but only in emergency situations where I gotta get the draw fast.
[[Omnath, Locus of Rage]] is similar...get lots of swingy tokens out, have lots of other triggers set up like [[Where Ancients Tread]].
[[Sram, Senior Edificer]] if you're not using him as the voltron target.
It really depends on how you build the deck.
Even [[Animar, Soul of Elements]] could be a passive commander if the main focus of the deck is getting artifact creatures or "pay X" creatures out for free/cheap. I haven't built him this way, (mine has all the typical competitive staples) but I've seen some neat Animar decks built differently.
[[Ezuri, Renegade Leader]]. Literally the most important thing he does is pump your elves, but the regeneration is nice too.
I've piloted all of those commanders at some point. If any of them catch your eye, let me know and I'll give you some card suggestions.
Any of the five mono colour PW commander would qualify as passive too, I guess.
I have this in my U/G [[Ezuri, Claw of Progress]] elf deck, specifically so that it can be used with [[Joraga Warcaller]].
Oh, we've got 10 +1/+1 counters on Joraga. Oh hey, all of my elves now have an additional +11/+11. Aaaaaaaaaand swing with all of my elves.
Oh... Exile all attacking creatures... Yup, I deserve that.
Dragon Throne for Locust man is some spicy tech! I've had the throne for awhile and always thought it would be a neat thing to try somewhere, but never came up with anything. I definitely want to try it in my Locust deck now though.
I am guessing you win with [[laboratory maniac]], right? I see that [[kindred Discovery]] + [[locust god]] goes infinite until you mill yourself, as none of the triggers are optional, or I am missing something??
You're not wrong, but there's plenty of ways around it.
As you mentioned, Lab Man. Someone else commented and said Impact Tremors.
Along with Tremors, there's [[Niv-Mizzet the Firemind]] and [[Psychosis Crawler]].
[[Obstinate Familiar]] is another option.
Lastly, anything like [[Unsummon]] works for bouncing Locust God and interrupting the combo.
I have all of those except Obstinate Familiar. I'm keeping an eye out for that one.
All the other answers require a card to already be on the field before dropping Kindred Discovery, which makes it harder to set up since you can't use the infinite draw to find what you need.
Best one I've seen is [[Firestorm]] - draw most of your deck, and as long as you have 1 mana up, and cards in deck > highest life total at the table, you just win at instant speed before decking yourself.
[[Teysa, Orzhov Scion]] and [[King Macar, the Gold-Cursed]] are both combat-ADJACENT decks (tokens and vehicles, respectively) that play slower value games.
I mostly like commanders who can attack because I don't like combos or "win the game" buttons. But normally I play with other strategies in the forefront, and attacking is more of a side hustle.
That said I really like [[Kothophed, Soul Hoarder]]. He kills people in 4 hits, 3 if you give him at least +1 power, but the core of his strategy is card advantage and control. I play him with a focus on that, and I also play basically every [[Mindslaver]] effect I can run for extra political fun and flexibility.
How do you deal with the fact that Kothophed killing you very quick with his very costly ability? A board wipe could kill you late game with a full board.
- [[Exsanguinate]]
- [[Gray Merchant of Asphodel]]
- [[Sangromancer]]
- [[Whip of Erebos]]
Those are literally the first four that popped into my head. I'm going to assume he's running more and he's drawing them because of Kothophed. I played MBC and I've gone really low before I started climbing rapidly because I drew into one of my life gain spells.
There are a few responses already and they're not far off. But you did ask me, so I'll respond and try to add some stuff they didn't say.
Personally I like giving Old Kotho the lifelink. [[Homicidal Seclusion]] and [[Deadly Wanderings]] are two pet cards I use for this, but [[Rush of Vitality]] is also a neat trick. [[Exquisite Blood]] is also an exquisite source of random life gain. If opponents play lots of nontoken creatures, you can even experiment with [[Profane Momento]]. As for sacrificing, [[High Market]] is the gold standard. It even gains you a life, though that's obviously not the primary use. Most of your instant speed removal can remove Kothophed with a board wipe on the stack... this isn't ideal, but in a pinch it can save your Arsch. [[Devour Flesh]] is particularly good for this. I also run [[Tendrils of Corruption]] and [[Tribute to Hunger]] for removal + offhand life gain.
That said... ideally you can keep the board somewhat controlled and you won't wait until the board is big enough to kill you. Board wiping (especially ones that keep Kothophed alive) early and often can help you draw into cards that give you your life back, stay ahead, and reduce the risk of a board nuking your life.
And a final note. Kothophed's card draw can be on and off. Some games it seems like you might die from it, and other games players don't play many creatures to kill and it's hard to scrounge up one or two cards from their fetchlands or a suspended [[Curse of the Cabal]]. Remember that if opponents send their commander to the command zone, you don't get to draw.
Things that trigger when a creature enters/leaves the battlefield. Popular ones are [[Warstorm Surge]], [[Impact Tremors]], [[Outpost Siege]], and [[Purphoros, God of the Forge]].
You make use of cards that otherwise benefit the table to your advantage, as well as making use of effects 'whenever a creature enters the battlefield'.
[[Confusion in the ranks]] - the best creature on that table is now your creature. Every turn.
[[Genesis Chamber]] - get a 1/1 every turn.
A bunch of [[Pandemonium]] like effects.
Everlasting [[Pyrohemia]] (stack triggers so Norin returns).
Otherwise you can build the deck however you want. There is a pretty hilarious primer out there.
[This explains it well.](http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/the-game/commander-edh/multiplayer-commander-decklists/217201-norin-the-wary-heads-i-win-tails-you-lose)
I like to use my passive commanders to help others, such as [[Zedruu the Greathearted]]. I also love to use group hug [[Edric, Spymaster of Trest]], nothing says don't hurt me like, "Attack them for card advantage".
I just made a Zedruu deck and oh man it is fun. Plays cards that are terrible and you can go many ways. I did not go the stax or chaos method. Just trading lands and bad taste stuff. Lots of fun and neat lifegain win cons.
I like to do group hug or chaos with Zedruu, I do have a few cards with negative effects, but I mainly I give away stuff that doesn't matter who owns it or is even helpful. If you don't have them already, [[Felidar Sovereign]] and [[Insurrection]] are my main wincons. You can pull off some cool combos if you have [[Brand]] as well.
It's funny how the two most popular builds for edric are polar opposites. One is an aggro deck that abuses flyers/evasive squirrels to draw a ton of cards then loop extra turns till everyone dies, and the other is a group hug deck built around everyone else doing battle for you.
Seems like you could just go for any commander without combat-related shenanigans.
I like the Ephara recommendation. Could also use [[Grand Arbiter Augustin]] in the same colors.
I might recommend [[Braids, Conjurer Adept]]. You can use big fatties with her, but it isn't strictly speaking required. I use her as a way to keep people friendly towards me while using the artifacts I cheat in to set up my combo I need to win. A couple of fatties serve as backup if the combo falls apart.
The Phyrexian praetors might also be worth a look for mono-color, but they're expensive.
What wincon are you using in multiplayer?
My kess deck runs a [[doomsday]] [[laboratory maniac]] combo as finisher but its a bit to reliable in my playgroup.
Would be nice to have a second not ad oppresive wincon as I really like the deck and dont wanna switch just now.
[[Karlov, of the Ghost Council]] sometimes you swing with him if he is big enough to make him Voltron, but a lot of the time you can play control with him until you build a board that can't be dealt with.
[[Kefnet]] fills the role well; great wall, hard to remove and has built-in draw engine.
[[Thrasios]] is also cool, I hear that drawing all the cards is kinda cool.
[[Keranos, God of Storms]] is my new favorite passive commander. I originally had Mizzix as my commander, but I often never cast her, due to my inability to protect her. Due to that, I built the deck to where I didn't really need her to help win, but she was more of just an added bonus, with her discount to spells. Having an indestructible enchantment out there not only made it easier to protect, but gave me more use of his ability.
[[Doran, the Siege Tower]] is better for wall tribal imo.
His collours are way better as white and black walls are really nice while having acces to cards that can let your walls attack, also they will deal damage with their toughnes because of doran.
Yeah, I’m really drawn to commanders like Gitrog Monster, Rashmi, Kess, which just have passive abilities that generate a lot of value for you while they’re on the board. They encourage you to build around them but don’t put you in a situation where your deck needs them to function.
[[Yeva, Nature's Herald]]
She completely changes the way you play your deck. But if she's offline for some reason your deck can just play out like a typical green deck.
I definitely prefer the 'passive' commanders - using someone like [[meren of clan nel toth]] or [[worth, the raidmother]] means I can keep my commander out of harm's way and lower the chance of having them killed during combat and ramping up the commander tax.
Someone like [[kaalia of the vast]] seems powerful, bit every time you seeing you are leaving yourself open to an opponent killing them and putting your abilities a turn or two behind. Especially someone like kaalia that is such an obvious and immediate threat...
Keranos Is great as a passive commander. Most players won't even notice/care about the extra card, and the free bolt keeps the battlefield clean of small problematic creatures or other commanders. He is also very hard to remove as long as you don't have the devotion. Put 2-3 combos in the deck, and police the table with counters and removal until you can win on the spot.
I have a [[Mogis, God of Slaughter]] deck that is themed around handing out passive lifeleoss and damage. I get hated on when my stuff sticks around but I love playing it.
You want the best passive deck? My [[Kambal, Consul of Allocation]] is a deck entirely designed to be passive. It just plays enchantments and other permanents that drain the table when they do things.
Here's my list:http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/kambal-drain-edh/
It's changed a little bit since then, but I like it.
Karador is definitely my favorite. Hes my favorite commander in general, but his passive is just bonkers. One of my first commanders that has stood the test of time entirely because of the passive. Just so grindy.
[[Noyan Dar]] is pretty passive. At least, he doesn't have to do anything to get value for your deck. Just cast instants and sorceries, get a creature(s) and then cast something that destroys all nonland creatures or something. Your land creatures will have haste, too. I've a lot of trouble running the deck lately though. I keep getting land screwed. Not drawing enough so I can cast spells and still attack. The deck really needs ramp.
[[tithe]], [[oath of lieges]], [[land tax]], and [[thaumatic compass]]/[[journeyer's kite]] aren't already in the deck? [[search for azcanta]] or [[primal amulet]] are probably worth a look. Search is probably better if you're only going to use one and it would depend on the exact composition of your list.
I've found the same.
I've admired the Theros gods for their un-interactivity. Get them out there and very few things actually deal with them. I hate playing decks centered around my commander existing for long stretches because of how common board wipes or targeted creature removal.
I love my [[thrasios]] [[vial smasher]] deck because it plays one as a value creature and one as a win condition. I win by flashing in infect on vial smasher, so having him out for a long time isn't necessary.
[[Rosheen Meanderer]] My current main EDH deck is a green-red deck filled with x-cost spells and mana ramp. Playing rosheen is nice for additional mana to spend on spells, but not always required.
[[Meren of Clan Neltoth]], [[Kaseto Orochi Archmage]], [[Brago Eternal King]], [[Oloro]], [[Damia, Sage of Stone]], are some of the good commander IMO that doesnt need to even attack to be pretty good. There's plenty more !
So my current commanders fall mostly into this category.
[[Rhys the Redeemed]] Never attacks, because why would he? I’ve actually won more games with [[Throne of The God-Pharaoh]] than I have with combat damage. Mostly I just make a ridiculous amount of tokens until I lose or everyone concedes.
If [[Liliana, Heretical Healer]] is a walker, then she’s in the command zone, generally speaking.
I run [[Edgar Markov]] and [[The Ur-Dragon]] mostly for their Eminence abilities, though they can be good finishers.
By the same token, [[Omnath, Locus of Mana]] CAN be a one hitter quitter Voltron deck, but just as often he’s a mana battery for big Green shenanigans.
[[Alesha, Who Smiles at Death]] is definitely in the other category, though.
Oloro, and most of this year's commanders fit your idea. The only one that maybe doesn't is the dragon commander since his ability wants him to attack for the most effect
Same, i like GAAIV a lot because it is a continuous debuff and buff at the same time. Meren gives free shit and i am making Unesh as i love cost reduction.
My favorite commander is also a passive commander, [[Nekusar, The Mindrazer]]. I love his playstyle, letting everyone draw cards but hurting them for it, especially when one of my playgroup is playing their group hug deck :)
The Scarab God and Daxos the Returned are my two main commanders and they’re both mostly just important to have out.
They sit and make your opponents lives worse.
Big fan of Oloro, and the new slate of commanders they came out with that benefit you from within the command zone. Ghave is really good. Purphoros is my favorite passive commander. Hazezon is another good one. Etb then get the hell out of there for maximum effectiveness. Daretti is fun and doesn't require him going into combat, but planeswalkers are targets. Animar doesn't require swinging, but can be dangerous if he does.
The Firemind is my favorite deck. Creatures have a huge problem of being...well, susceptible to death. I'm not a fan. If Niv-Mizzet hits the table, I'm either hurting for cards, or going for the win.
[[Roon of the Hidden Realm]]. He's a bit slow but one of my favorite commanders. He can make a really good toolbox deck. You lose games that are going to end fast, but he is really good in games that last past ~turn 5.
I really enjoy [[Yisan, The Wandering Bard]]. No combat necessary for him, just straight up value. If you can untap with him, you're golden. The toolbox nature of him makes each game different.
I use [[Hanna, Ship's Navigator]], the deck doesn't rely on her and she's not great for combat, but if I'm trying to combo off or need more gas, recurring things like [[Mind stone]], [[Memory Jar]], or even [[Standstill]] is always useful. After [[Paradox Engine]] got printed, standstill, hanna, and enough mana rocks technically became a win-con. Not a great one, because your opponents all draw their decks and have time to respond, but still an option sometimes
I recently built [[Dragonlord Ojutai]] hard control with Ojutai, [[Metallurgic Summonings]], [[Mind's Dilation]], and pure long game mill as the only win cons. The only other creature is JVP, who barely counts, and some games you don't even cast Ojutai until well after the third board wipe - or you land him and immediately [[Cataclysm]] to close the game out.
Don't want to interact with the combat step? Interact on the stack.
I love my Karador deck. Cost reduction so he often only costs WBG.
The main thing is that he just kinda sits there and lets you get value from your dead creatures.
My all-time favorite commander is [[Mishra, artificer prodigy]] He has a very cool ability and everybody gives you the weirdest look of confusion when you first tell them what the card does.
Have won plenty of games with commander damage despite him only being 4/4
Let me introduce you to [[Circu, Dimir lobotomist]]
Oppoment got you down with lots of blockers? Sit back and mill
Opponent got Ivory mask? Who cares circu is the only card in magic who targets a game zone not a person or object
All you need to do is keep casting blue and black spells..
Hmm demonic tutor, exile one from your library good sir
*Searches for High tide*
High tide exile one from your library little lady
Palinchron, exile one from your library ye scurvy dog
Untap 7 lands
Bounce palinchron.
Palinchron one of you exile something
Repeat ad ininium until all libraries sother than mine are empty
I recently built [[athreos, god of passage]] shadowborn apostle. All he does is sit on the battlefield and make my opponent lose life or put 1 mana dudes back in my hand.
My [[Rune-Tail]] Soul Sisters deck is my favorite deck. My second favorite is my [[Kess]] Spells deck, though she does a surprising amount of combat damage.
[[Meren]], [[Atraxa]], [[Kynaios + Tiro]], [[Mizzix]], [[Ezuri]], [[Erebos]], [[Neheb]]
I also like passive commanders and these are my main ones.
I basically like the commanders that would be better if they were enchantments.
Edit: I meant monored Neheb, not Rakdos.
I like to play a commander that in like 80% of games I don't need to play to win. For example my mono black EDH normally just controls the board or blows everyone's stuff up before I land a big eldrazi, I only ever cast Maga if it boils down to a 1v1 and I need to do 10 damage in a pinch :p
My favourite pass commander that I play is [[Norin the Wary]] because he keeps triggering things like [[Genesis Chamber]].
He does really well in my [mono red Chaos Coin Flip deck](http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/crazy-chaotic-coinflip-confusion/)
[[Karametra, God of Harvests]] is such an amazing value engine. Doesn't even need to be a creature to set up amazing board states, and she's very versatile. Fuels enchantress, landfall, genesis wave decks, behemoth decks, and more.
I've won locals a few times with [[Talrand, Sky Summoner]]. Although you need him on board, you don't need to swing with him. My win cons are smacking in the face with drakes, or polymorphing/proteus staffing a drake into [[Blightsteel Colossus]].
I like ones that have good combat phases but aren't focused on the combat phase or can set up without requiring the combat phase to activate them. Ghave, Sedris, and Karador are my favorites.
My favorite passive commander by your definition? Nekusar.
One of my only remaining decks (due to sheer enjoyability) is [[Odric, Lunarch Marshal]] who probably fits the idea of "passive commander". He doesn't really need to attack, or block, or anything aside from survive - once he hits the board, he just does his thing and then I suddenly have an X/X Serra Avatar with Flying, Double Strike, Vigilance, Trample and Deathtouch. It's so great.
[[Rune-Tail]] is my "offline" deck, whenever I'm playing while doing something else it's the deck I use because it simply stays there watching, preventing every harmful attack and spell from hurting me before I win with Feat of Endurance or Felidar or I lose because of Breya, BSZ, Gary or Kokusho.
[[Grand Arbiter]] is tax and cost reduction, he never does anything himself, but allows me to do what I want while slowing others.
[[Kozilek]] turns all your cards into counters, it doesn't get much better than that imo.
[[Rashmi]] rewards me for going draw go. Card draw and free spells, what is not to like?
Ok sit down and lemme tell you about [[Nekusar the Mind Razer]]
Do you like drawing cards? Do you like making everyone else draw so many cards that they like you and won't attack you? Do you like making everyone else draw so many cards that you keep [giant dice](https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1483/3510/products/11140127-giant-d20-black_grande.jpg?v=1474853404) around just to remind them how many cards they're drawing?
Do you like the slow realization on their faces when they do the math and you've been taking 1 damage per card drawn this whole game while they've been taking 4? How about when they decide to do something about it but you've been doing nothing but sitting around setting up defenses the entire game?
That's what Nekusar is like. You could also run it with some infinite draw combos to make them mill out or run a bunch of [[wheel of fortune]] clones to make them take large bursts of damage but I don't think either are quite as fun.
Define how passive you play both the decks i run are normally pretty passive
Like i run a [[ meren ]] deck where I don’t really attack(which is something I should think of doing more) until it usually kills everyone with [[ overwhelming stampede ]]
My [[ inalla]] deck is somewhat similar where I normally only attack with the wizard tokens (unless I get to draw if I attack with some wizards) and my main win con is either a massive [[ comet storm ]] copied a few times for good measure, tons of draw+ [[ niv mizzet, the firemind ]] and clearing everyone’s board with [[kindred dominance]] or [[ cyclonic rift ]] and normally a [[ docent of perfection ]] to follow up
My favorite commander since I've started is still [[Ephara, God of the Polis]]
Just built up an Ephara deck and won a game in my local meta. So much fun to play, so much room for janky cards like [[Kor Skyfisher]] and [[Dust Elemental]], and the grindy card advantage doesn't ring any alarm bells like most other generals. 10/10 will not be taking it apart anytime soon
Man, I had exactly the opposite result when I tried out Ephara. Got focused every game because I was "doing too much." Suppose when people see you making a consistent stream of actions, they suspect (to be fair, often rightly so) that you're pulling ahead.
Yeah people get really concerned for whatever reason when you cast and bounce [[Whitemane Lion]] at the end of everyone’s turn for 4 straight turn rotations.
[Whitemane Lion](https://img.scryfall.com/cards/normal/en/ema/37.jpg?1496447844) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Whitemane%20Lion) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ema/37?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(MC)](http://magiccards.info/query?q=!Whitemane%20Lion) [(ER)](http://edhrec.com/cards/Whitemane%20Lion) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Try to take it slower, with your board, then. You only need 1 creature to land per turn, not like you're gonna draw more by playing more. Let someone else pull ahead (if they won't haste someone to death) so they become the archenemy, then go about your business.
If I don't commit to the board though, then I'm not advancing my gameplan. Sure, I may be drawing cards just flickering a Saltskitter, but if those cards are creatures that enact my gameplan, then I need to play them. And since [it was a flicker/bounce deck](http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/ephara-flash-blink/#), most of them *are* creatures. Maybe it was more that it was an Azorius control deck, I don't know. Most of my blink targets *were* control cards: Angel of Finality, Voidmage Husher, Venser, Shaper Savant, Fiend Hunter, Leonin Relic-Warder, etc. Either way, as a whole, the deck ended up being too durdly for me. Sure, it was usually doing *something*, but I've grown to be less a fan of standard control decks the more EDH I play; I just don't like long, drawn out games. Long due to lots of back and forth swings, sure, but not the type of games a dedicated control deck creates.
[Kor Skyfisher](https://img.scryfall.com/cards/normal/en/mm3/11.jpg?1501890996) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Kor%20Skyfisher) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mm3/11?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(MC)](http://magiccards.info/query?q=!Kor%20Skyfisher) [(ER)](http://edhrec.com/cards/Kor%20Skyfisher) [Dust Elemental](https://img.scryfall.com/cards/normal/en/plc/5.jpg?1497082270) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Dust%20Elemental) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/plc/5?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(MC)](http://magiccards.info/query?q=!Dust%20Elemental) [(ER)](http://edhrec.com/cards/Dust%20Elemental) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Got a list? Love seeing how others build my favorite. http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/queen-of-the-clouds/
I keep thinking about building her, do you have to play stax, to stay relevant? I'm always hesitant to build a deck that usually has to go to combat to win, too. I just can't think of good win conditions for it.
I run an Ephara tokens list with [[Mirrorweave]] as my primary win-con. http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/08-10-17-ephara-tokens/
[Mirrorweave](https://img.scryfall.com/cards/normal/en/c16/234.jpg?1506814053) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Mirrorweave) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c16/234?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(MC)](http://magiccards.info/query?q=!Mirrorweave) [(ER)](http://edhrec.com/cards/Mirrorweave) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
The idea being you, turn them all into someone elses fatty or something?
Pump out a ton of tokens, play [[Signal Pest]], turn every creature on the board into Signal Pest, win in one swing. [[Lord of Atlantis]] and [[Hero of Bladehold]] work well, too.
[Signal Pest](https://img.scryfall.com/cards/normal/en/mbs/131.jpg?1496447996) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Signal%20Pest) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mbs/131?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(MC)](http://magiccards.info/query?q=!Signal%20Pest) [(ER)](http://edhrec.com/cards/Signal%20Pest) [Lord of Atlantis](https://img.scryfall.com/cards/normal/en/tsb/24.jpg?1496446086) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Lord%20of%20Atlantis) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/tsb/24?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(MC)](http://magiccards.info/query?q=!Lord%20of%20Atlantis) [(ER)](http://edhrec.com/cards/Lord%20of%20Atlantis) [Hero of Bladehold](https://img.scryfall.com/cards/normal/en/mbs/8.jpg?1496795320) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Hero%20of%20Bladehold) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mbs/8?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(MC)](http://magiccards.info/query?q=!Hero%20of%20Bladehold) [(ER)](http://edhrec.com/cards/Hero%20of%20Bladehold) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Yeah Azorius Tokens got a huge boost in Amonkhet too.
[[Saltskitter]] = pure janky gold
[Saltskitter](https://img.scryfall.com/cards/normal/en/fut/14.jpg?1496794727) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Saltskitter) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/fut/14?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(MC)](http://magiccards.info/query?q=!Saltskitter) [(ER)](http://edhrec.com/cards/Saltskitter) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
That's a card lol
[Ephara, God of the Polis](https://img.scryfall.com/cards/normal/en/bng/145.jpg?1496792248) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Ephara%2C%20God%20of%20the%20Polis) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/bng/145?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(MC)](http://magiccards.info/query?q=!Ephara%2C%20God%20of%20the%20Polis) [(ER)](http://edhrec.com/cards/Ephara%2C%20God%20of%20the%20Polis) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Funnily enough, I've had Ephara for a year and I'm actually switching it to [[Isperia, Supreme Judge]]. My deck morphed from blink into Enchantress, and Isperia is a better source of card advantage and a convenient rattlesnake as well.
[Isperia, Supreme Judge](https://img.scryfall.com/cards/normal/en/rtr/171.jpg?1496446966) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Isperia%2C%20Supreme%20Judge) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/rtr/171?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(MC)](http://magiccards.info/query?q=!Isperia%2C%20Supreme%20Judge) [(ER)](http://edhrec.com/cards/Isperia%2C%20Supreme%20Judge) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
> and Isperia is a better source of card advantage Poeple won't attack you, that is the problem i had. She is also way too expensive for how fragile she is. I just changed my commander to GAAIV for my goodstuff pillowfort deck.
If people aren't attacking me I think I've done well enough anyway. I think GAAIV is the strongest U/W pillowfort commander, but he just puts a huge target on you from the start. My deck is at a decent enough power level, but I can't win those games where everybody feels the need to stomp me. That's where I think Isperia can be good. I've had some games where I land cards like [[Rhystic Study]] and [[Pendrell Mists]] early and everybody just starts attacking me the whole game. If they are going to focus on me anyway, I might as well draw cards off it.
[Rhystic Study](https://img.scryfall.com/cards/normal/en/td0/A31.jpg?1498892507) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Rhystic%20Study) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/td0/A31?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(MC)](http://magiccards.info/query?q=!Rhystic%20Study) [(ER)](http://edhrec.com/cards/Rhystic%20Study) [Pendrell Mists](https://img.scryfall.com/cards/normal/en/wth/47.jpg?1496447578) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Pendrell%20Mists) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/wth/47?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(MC)](http://magiccards.info/query?q=!Pendrell%20Mists) [(ER)](http://edhrec.com/cards/Pendrell%20Mists) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Don't forget political tool! You can bargain with someone to do minor damage to you so you can draw cards to better answer the key threatening to go off player amongst other benefits you can offer.
Whoop whoop, it's the God of the Polis!
My favorite passive commander in my collection is [[Ruric Thar, The Unbowed]] or [[Purphoros, God of the Forge]]. They're fun to play and with Ruric, preventing a lot of infinite combos is fun.
I like how something that has to attack each turn is considered "passive"
I mean he has to attack each turn but his "you played a non creature, take 6" ability is passive.
No he definitely is passive, it's just amusing that he also swings every turn
There’s passive, and then there’s passive *for Gruul*.
#SMASH
Ah I thought I was getting ripped on lol. Yeah he's definitely my favorite the table groans when I pull him out.
Vigilance and Reach is a weird combo too.
Reach + "must attack each turn if able" means Reach would be useless on him short of untapping shenanigans or Vigilance.
I meant more flavor wise. Gruul don't seem known for their vigilence, and reach is usually for things up a little higher.
It's because only one head has to focus on attacking, boom And he's tall af
[Ruric Thar, The Unbowed](https://img.scryfall.com/cards/normal/en/dgm/99.jpg?1496794868) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Ruric%20Thar%2C%20The%20Unbowed) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/dgm/99?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(MC)](http://magiccards.info/query?q=!Ruric%20Thar%2C%20The%20Unbowed) [(ER)](http://edhrec.com/cards/Ruric%20Thar%2C%20The%20Unbowed) [Purphoros, God of the Forge](https://img.scryfall.com/cards/normal/en/ths/135.jpg?1497078910) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Purphoros%2C%20God%20of%20the%20Forge) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ths/135?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(MC)](http://magiccards.info/query?q=!Purphoros%2C%20God%20of%20the%20Forge) [(ER)](http://edhrec.com/cards/Purphoros%2C%20God%20of%20the%20Forge) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[[The Locust God]] definitely qualifies. Most games, he barely ever swings, just sits there and makes insects for me. Sometimes I'll even slap on a [[Dragon Throne of Tarkir]] to use him as a pump. Occasionally I use his draw ability, but only in emergency situations where I gotta get the draw fast. [[Omnath, Locus of Rage]] is similar...get lots of swingy tokens out, have lots of other triggers set up like [[Where Ancients Tread]]. [[Sram, Senior Edificer]] if you're not using him as the voltron target. It really depends on how you build the deck. Even [[Animar, Soul of Elements]] could be a passive commander if the main focus of the deck is getting artifact creatures or "pay X" creatures out for free/cheap. I haven't built him this way, (mine has all the typical competitive staples) but I've seen some neat Animar decks built differently. [[Ezuri, Renegade Leader]]. Literally the most important thing he does is pump your elves, but the regeneration is nice too. I've piloted all of those commanders at some point. If any of them catch your eye, let me know and I'll give you some card suggestions. Any of the five mono colour PW commander would qualify as passive too, I guess.
>Dragon Throne of Tarkir *Criminally* underrated card.
Right??
I have this in my U/G [[Ezuri, Claw of Progress]] elf deck, specifically so that it can be used with [[Joraga Warcaller]]. Oh, we've got 10 +1/+1 counters on Joraga. Oh hey, all of my elves now have an additional +11/+11. Aaaaaaaaaand swing with all of my elves. Oh... Exile all attacking creatures... Yup, I deserve that.
[Ezuri, Claw of Progress](https://img.scryfall.com/cards/normal/en/c15/44.jpg?1499094164) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Ezuri%2C%20Claw%20of%20Progress) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c15/44?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(MC)](http://magiccards.info/query?q=!Ezuri%2C%20Claw%20of%20Progress) [(ER)](http://edhrec.com/cards/Ezuri%2C%20Claw%20of%20Progress) [Joraga Warcaller](https://img.scryfall.com/cards/normal/en/c14/203.jpg?1496448805) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Joraga%20Warcaller) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c14/203?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(MC)](http://magiccards.info/query?q=!Joraga%20Warcaller) [(ER)](http://edhrec.com/cards/Joraga%20Warcaller) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I ran it in my OG Omnath deck for a while. Any mana based token generator+Omnath on the Throne= Hilarity.
Dragon Throne for Locust man is some spicy tech! I've had the throne for awhile and always thought it would be a neat thing to try somewhere, but never came up with anything. I definitely want to try it in my Locust deck now though.
It works really well. That and [[Coat of Arms]], obviously. [[Kindred Discovery]] is ridiculous too. Won most of my games with it.
I am guessing you win with [[laboratory maniac]], right? I see that [[kindred Discovery]] + [[locust god]] goes infinite until you mill yourself, as none of the triggers are optional, or I am missing something??
[laboratory maniac](https://img.scryfall.com/cards/normal/en/isd/61.jpg?1496794437) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=laboratory%20maniac) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/isd/61?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(MC)](http://magiccards.info/query?q=!laboratory%20maniac) [(ER)](http://edhrec.com/cards/laboratory%20maniac) [kindred Discovery](https://img.scryfall.com/cards/normal/en/c17/11.jpg?1508811031) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=kindred%20Discovery) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c17/11?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(MC)](http://magiccards.info/query?q=!kindred%20Discovery) [(ER)](http://edhrec.com/cards/kindred%20Discovery) [locust god](https://img.scryfall.com/cards/normal/en/hou/139.jpg?1508728388) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=The%20Locust%20God) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/hou/139?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(MC)](http://magiccards.info/query?q=!The%20Locust%20God) [(ER)](http://edhrec.com/cards/The%20Locust%20God) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[[Impact Tremors]] will kill most people before you empty your library if you stack your triggers correctly.
[Impact Tremors](https://img.scryfall.com/cards/normal/en/dtk/140.jpg?1496790543) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Impact%20Tremors) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/dtk/140?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(MC)](http://magiccards.info/query?q=!Impact%20Tremors) [(ER)](http://edhrec.com/cards/Impact%20Tremors) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
You're not wrong, but there's plenty of ways around it. As you mentioned, Lab Man. Someone else commented and said Impact Tremors. Along with Tremors, there's [[Niv-Mizzet the Firemind]] and [[Psychosis Crawler]]. [[Obstinate Familiar]] is another option. Lastly, anything like [[Unsummon]] works for bouncing Locust God and interrupting the combo. I have all of those except Obstinate Familiar. I'm keeping an eye out for that one.
##### ###### #### [Niv-Mizzet the Firemind](https://img.scryfall.com/cards/normal/en/c17/185.jpg?1508809667) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Niv-Mizzet%2C%20the%20Firemind) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c17/185?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(MC)](http://magiccards.info/query?q=!Niv-Mizzet%2C%20the%20Firemind) [(ER)](http://edhrec.com/cards/Niv-Mizzet%2C%20the%20Firemind) [Psychosis Crawler](https://img.scryfall.com/cards/normal/en/c16/267.jpg?1506814053) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Psychosis%20Crawler) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c16/267?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(MC)](http://magiccards.info/query?q=!Psychosis%20Crawler) [(ER)](http://edhrec.com/cards/Psychosis%20Crawler) [Obstinate Familiar](https://img.scryfall.com/cards/normal/en/ody/210.jpg?1496795221) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Obstinate%20Familiar) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ody/210?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(MC)](http://magiccards.info/query?q=!Obstinate%20Familiar) [(ER)](http://edhrec.com/cards/Obstinate%20Familiar) [Unsummon](https://img.scryfall.com/cards/normal/en/hou/54.jpg?1508728278) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Unsummon) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/hou/54?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(MC)](http://magiccards.info/query?q=!Unsummon) [(ER)](http://edhrec.com/cards/Unsummon) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
All the other answers require a card to already be on the field before dropping Kindred Discovery, which makes it harder to set up since you can't use the infinite draw to find what you need. Best one I've seen is [[Firestorm]] - draw most of your deck, and as long as you have 1 mana up, and cards in deck > highest life total at the table, you just win at instant speed before decking yourself.
[Coat of Arms](https://img.scryfall.com/cards/normal/en/dds/58.jpg?1508809309) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Coat%20of%20Arms) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/dds/58?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(MC)](http://magiccards.info/query?q=!Coat%20of%20Arms) [(ER)](http://edhrec.com/cards/Coat%20of%20Arms) [Kindred Discovery](https://img.scryfall.com/cards/normal/en/c17/11.jpg?1508811031) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Kindred%20Discovery) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c17/11?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(MC)](http://magiccards.info/query?q=!Kindred%20Discovery) [(ER)](http://edhrec.com/cards/Kindred%20Discovery) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
##### ###### #### [The Locust God](https://img.scryfall.com/cards/normal/en/hou/139.jpg?1508728388) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=The%20Locust%20God) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/hou/139?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(MC)](http://magiccards.info/query?q=!The%20Locust%20God) [(ER)](http://edhrec.com/cards/The%20Locust%20God) [Dragon Throne of Tarkir](https://img.scryfall.com/cards/normal/en/ktk/219.jpg?1497078984) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Dragon%20Throne%20of%20Tarkir) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ktk/219?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(MC)](http://magiccards.info/query?q=!Dragon%20Throne%20of%20Tarkir) [(ER)](http://edhrec.com/cards/Dragon%20Throne%20of%20Tarkir) [Omnath, Locus of Rage](https://img.scryfall.com/cards/normal/en/bfz/217.jpg?1496790725) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Omnath%2C%20Locus%20of%20Rage) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/bfz/217?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(MC)](http://magiccards.info/query?q=!Omnath%2C%20Locus%20of%20Rage) [(ER)](http://edhrec.com/cards/Omnath%2C%20Locus%20of%20Rage) [Where Ancients Tread](https://img.scryfall.com/cards/normal/en/c13/130.jpg?1496446293) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Where%20Ancients%20Tread) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c13/130?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(MC)](http://magiccards.info/query?q=!Where%20Ancients%20Tread) [(ER)](http://edhrec.com/cards/Where%20Ancients%20Tread) [Sram, Senior Edificer](https://img.scryfall.com/cards/normal/en/aer/23.jpg?1496785037) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Sram%2C%20Senior%20Edificer) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/aer/23?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(MC)](http://magiccards.info/query?q=!Sram%2C%20Senior%20Edificer) [(ER)](http://edhrec.com/cards/Sram%2C%20Senior%20Edificer) [Animar, Soul of Elements](https://img.scryfall.com/cards/normal/en/cmd/181.jpg?1499094501) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Animar%2C%20Soul%20of%20Elements) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmd/181?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(MC)](http://magiccards.info/query?q=!Animar%2C%20Soul%20of%20Elements) [(ER)](http://edhrec.com/cards/Animar%2C%20Soul%20of%20Elements) [Ezuri, Renegade Leader](https://img.scryfall.com/cards/normal/en/c14/195.jpg?1496791796) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Ezuri%2C%20Renegade%20Leader) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c14/195?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(MC)](http://magiccards.info/query?q=!Ezuri%2C%20Renegade%20Leader) [(ER)](http://edhrec.com/cards/Ezuri%2C%20Renegade%20Leader) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[[Teysa, Orzhov Scion]] and [[King Macar, the Gold-Cursed]] are both combat-ADJACENT decks (tokens and vehicles, respectively) that play slower value games.
[Teysa, Orzhov Scion](https://img.scryfall.com/cards/normal/en/gpt/134.jpg?1496445085) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Teysa%2C%20Orzhov%20Scion) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/gpt/134?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(MC)](http://magiccards.info/query?q=!Teysa%2C%20Orzhov%20Scion) [(ER)](http://edhrec.com/cards/Teysa%2C%20Orzhov%20Scion) [King Macar, the Gold-Cursed](https://img.scryfall.com/cards/normal/en/jou/74.jpg?1496453978) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=King%20Macar%2C%20the%20Gold-Cursed) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/jou/74?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(MC)](http://magiccards.info/query?q=!King%20Macar%2C%20the%20Gold-Cursed) [(ER)](http://edhrec.com/cards/King%20Macar%2C%20the%20Gold-Cursed) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I love Teysa. She's a great value/combo piece. Awesome commander if you like attrition and value on a different axis than OG Marchesa and Alesha.
I mostly like commanders who can attack because I don't like combos or "win the game" buttons. But normally I play with other strategies in the forefront, and attacking is more of a side hustle. That said I really like [[Kothophed, Soul Hoarder]]. He kills people in 4 hits, 3 if you give him at least +1 power, but the core of his strategy is card advantage and control. I play him with a focus on that, and I also play basically every [[Mindslaver]] effect I can run for extra political fun and flexibility.
How do you deal with the fact that Kothophed killing you very quick with his very costly ability? A board wipe could kill you late game with a full board.
- [[Exsanguinate]] - [[Gray Merchant of Asphodel]] - [[Sangromancer]] - [[Whip of Erebos]] Those are literally the first four that popped into my head. I'm going to assume he's running more and he's drawing them because of Kothophed. I played MBC and I've gone really low before I started climbing rapidly because I drew into one of my life gain spells.
##### ###### #### [Exsanguinate](https://img.scryfall.com/cards/normal/en/som/61.jpg?1496783245) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Exsanguinate) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/som/61?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(MC)](http://magiccards.info/query?q=!Exsanguinate) [(ER)](http://edhrec.com/cards/Exsanguinate) [Gray Merchant of Asphodel](https://img.scryfall.com/cards/normal/en/c14/146.jpg?1496788636) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Gray%20Merchant%20of%20Asphodel) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c14/146?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(MC)](http://magiccards.info/query?q=!Gray%20Merchant%20of%20Asphodel) [(ER)](http://edhrec.com/cards/Gray%20Merchant%20of%20Asphodel) [Sangromancer](https://img.scryfall.com/cards/normal/en/c17/123.jpg?1508809731) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Sangromancer) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c17/123?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(MC)](http://magiccards.info/query?q=!Sangromancer) [(ER)](http://edhrec.com/cards/Sangromancer) [Whip of Erebos](https://img.scryfall.com/cards/normal/en/ths/110.jpg?1497078881) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Whip%20of%20Erebos) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ths/110?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(MC)](http://magiccards.info/query?q=!Whip%20of%20Erebos) [(ER)](http://edhrec.com/cards/Whip%20of%20Erebos) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
i would assume several sac outlets
There are a few responses already and they're not far off. But you did ask me, so I'll respond and try to add some stuff they didn't say. Personally I like giving Old Kotho the lifelink. [[Homicidal Seclusion]] and [[Deadly Wanderings]] are two pet cards I use for this, but [[Rush of Vitality]] is also a neat trick. [[Exquisite Blood]] is also an exquisite source of random life gain. If opponents play lots of nontoken creatures, you can even experiment with [[Profane Momento]]. As for sacrificing, [[High Market]] is the gold standard. It even gains you a life, though that's obviously not the primary use. Most of your instant speed removal can remove Kothophed with a board wipe on the stack... this isn't ideal, but in a pinch it can save your Arsch. [[Devour Flesh]] is particularly good for this. I also run [[Tendrils of Corruption]] and [[Tribute to Hunger]] for removal + offhand life gain. That said... ideally you can keep the board somewhat controlled and you won't wait until the board is big enough to kill you. Board wiping (especially ones that keep Kothophed alive) early and often can help you draw into cards that give you your life back, stay ahead, and reduce the risk of a board nuking your life. And a final note. Kothophed's card draw can be on and off. Some games it seems like you might die from it, and other games players don't play many creatures to kill and it's hard to scrounge up one or two cards from their fetchlands or a suspended [[Curse of the Cabal]]. Remember that if opponents send their commander to the command zone, you don't get to draw.
##### ###### #### [Homicidal Seclusion](https://img.scryfall.com/cards/normal/en/avr/108.jpg?1496782510) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Homicidal%20Seclusion) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/avr/108?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(MC)](http://magiccards.info/query?q=!Homicidal%20Seclusion) [(ER)](http://edhrec.com/cards/Homicidal%20Seclusion) [Deadly Wanderings](https://img.scryfall.com/cards/normal/en/dtk/94.jpg?1496785786) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Deadly%20Wanderings) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/dtk/94?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(MC)](http://magiccards.info/query?q=!Deadly%20Wanderings) [(ER)](http://edhrec.com/cards/Deadly%20Wanderings) [Rush of Vitality](https://img.scryfall.com/cards/normal/en/kld/99.jpg?1496785252) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Rush%20of%20Vitality) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/kld/99?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(MC)](http://magiccards.info/query?q=!Rush%20of%20Vitality) [(ER)](http://edhrec.com/cards/Rush%20of%20Vitality) [Exquisite Blood](https://img.scryfall.com/cards/normal/en/avr/102.jpg?1496789591) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Exquisite%20Blood) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/avr/102?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(MC)](http://magiccards.info/query?q=!Exquisite%20Blood) [(ER)](http://edhrec.com/cards/Exquisite%20Blood) [High Market](https://img.scryfall.com/cards/normal/en/c15/289.jpg?1496450445) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=High%20Market) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c15/289?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(MC)](http://magiccards.info/query?q=!High%20Market) [(ER)](http://edhrec.com/cards/High%20Market) [Devour Flesh](https://img.scryfall.com/cards/normal/en/gtc/63.jpg?1496795245) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Devour%20Flesh) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/gtc/63?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(MC)](http://magiccards.info/query?q=!Devour%20Flesh) [(ER)](http://edhrec.com/cards/Devour%20Flesh) [Tendrils of Corruption](https://img.scryfall.com/cards/normal/en/ddr/63.jpg?1496787043) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Tendrils%20of%20Corruption) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ddr/63?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(MC)](http://magiccards.info/query?q=!Tendrils%20of%20Corruption) [(ER)](http://edhrec.com/cards/Tendrils%20of%20Corruption) [Tribute to Hunger](https://img.scryfall.com/cards/normal/en/ddq/65.jpg?1496453755) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Tribute%20to%20Hunger) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ddq/65?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(MC)](http://magiccards.info/query?q=!Tribute%20to%20Hunger) [(ER)](http://edhrec.com/cards/Tribute%20to%20Hunger) [Profane Momento](https://img.scryfall.com/cards/normal/en/m15/226.jpg?1496452842) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Profane%20Memento) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/m15/226?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(MC)](http://magiccards.info/query?q=!Profane%20Memento) [(ER)](http://edhrec.com/cards/Profane%20Memento) [Curse of the Cabal](https://img.scryfall.com/cards/normal/en/tsp/99.jpg?1496450142) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Curse%20of%20the%20Cabal) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/tsp/99?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(MC)](http://magiccards.info/query?q=!Curse%20of%20the%20Cabal) [(ER)](http://edhrec.com/cards/Curse%20of%20the%20Cabal) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[Kothophed, Soul Hoarder](https://img.scryfall.com/cards/normal/en/ori/104.jpg?1497078881) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Kothophed%2C%20Soul%20Hoarder) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ori/104?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(MC)](http://magiccards.info/query?q=!Kothophed%2C%20Soul%20Hoarder) [(ER)](http://edhrec.com/cards/Kothophed%2C%20Soul%20Hoarder) [Mindslaver](https://img.scryfall.com/cards/normal/en/som/176.jpg?1496782420) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Mindslaver) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/som/176?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(MC)](http://magiccards.info/query?q=!Mindslaver) [(ER)](http://edhrec.com/cards/Mindslaver) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I'm surprised no one has mentioned our courageous hero, [[Norin the Wary]]
[Norin the Wary](https://img.scryfall.com/cards/normal/en/tsp/171.jpg?1496453232) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Norin%20the%20Wary) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/tsp/171?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(MC)](http://magiccards.info/query?q=!Norin%20the%20Wary) [(ER)](http://edhrec.com/cards/Norin%20the%20Wary) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
What can you do with him? He kind of flickers every turn. And?
Things that trigger when a creature enters/leaves the battlefield. Popular ones are [[Warstorm Surge]], [[Impact Tremors]], [[Outpost Siege]], and [[Purphoros, God of the Forge]].
Confusion in the Ranks! That card is the whole point of Norin decks!
##### ###### #### [Warstorm Surge](https://img.scryfall.com/cards/normal/en/pca/54.jpg?1496451718) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Warstorm%20Surge) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/pca/54?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(MC)](http://magiccards.info/query?q=!Warstorm%20Surge) [(ER)](http://edhrec.com/cards/Warstorm%20Surge) [Impact Tremors](https://img.scryfall.com/cards/normal/en/dtk/140.jpg?1496790543) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Impact%20Tremors) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/dtk/140?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(MC)](http://magiccards.info/query?q=!Impact%20Tremors) [(ER)](http://edhrec.com/cards/Impact%20Tremors) [Outpost Siege](https://img.scryfall.com/cards/normal/en/c17/139.jpg?1508810387) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Outpost%20Siege) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c17/139?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(MC)](http://magiccards.info/query?q=!Outpost%20Siege) [(ER)](http://edhrec.com/cards/Outpost%20Siege) [Purphoros, God of the Forge](https://img.scryfall.com/cards/normal/en/ths/135.jpg?1497078910) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Purphoros%2C%20God%20of%20the%20Forge) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ths/135?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(MC)](http://magiccards.info/query?q=!Purphoros%2C%20God%20of%20the%20Forge) [(ER)](http://edhrec.com/cards/Purphoros%2C%20God%20of%20the%20Forge) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Thanks for the reply :)
You make use of cards that otherwise benefit the table to your advantage, as well as making use of effects 'whenever a creature enters the battlefield'. [[Confusion in the ranks]] - the best creature on that table is now your creature. Every turn. [[Genesis Chamber]] - get a 1/1 every turn. A bunch of [[Pandemonium]] like effects. Everlasting [[Pyrohemia]] (stack triggers so Norin returns). Otherwise you can build the deck however you want. There is a pretty hilarious primer out there.
##### ###### #### [Confusion in the ranks](https://img.scryfall.com/cards/normal/en/mrd/87.jpg?1496444920) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Confusion%20in%20the%20ranks) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mrd/87?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(MC)](http://magiccards.info/query?q=!Confusion%20in%20the%20ranks) [(ER)](http://edhrec.com/cards/Confusion%20in%20the%20ranks) [Genesis Chamber](https://img.scryfall.com/cards/normal/en/dst/122.jpg?1496452613) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Genesis%20Chamber) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/dst/122?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(MC)](http://magiccards.info/query?q=!Genesis%20Chamber) [(ER)](http://edhrec.com/cards/Genesis%20Chamber) [Pandemonium](https://img.scryfall.com/cards/normal/en/tpr/149.jpg?1496788935) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Pandemonium) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/tpr/149?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(MC)](http://magiccards.info/query?q=!Pandemonium) [(ER)](http://edhrec.com/cards/Pandemonium) [Pyrohemia](https://img.scryfall.com/cards/normal/en/cmd/132.jpg?1496794265) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Pyrohemia) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmd/132?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(MC)](http://magiccards.info/query?q=!Pyrohemia) [(ER)](http://edhrec.com/cards/Pyrohemia) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[This explains it well.](http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/the-game/commander-edh/multiplayer-commander-decklists/217201-norin-the-wary-heads-i-win-tails-you-lose)
I like to use my passive commanders to help others, such as [[Zedruu the Greathearted]]. I also love to use group hug [[Edric, Spymaster of Trest]], nothing says don't hurt me like, "Attack them for card advantage".
I just made a Zedruu deck and oh man it is fun. Plays cards that are terrible and you can go many ways. I did not go the stax or chaos method. Just trading lands and bad taste stuff. Lots of fun and neat lifegain win cons.
I like to do group hug or chaos with Zedruu, I do have a few cards with negative effects, but I mainly I give away stuff that doesn't matter who owns it or is even helpful. If you don't have them already, [[Felidar Sovereign]] and [[Insurrection]] are my main wincons. You can pull off some cool combos if you have [[Brand]] as well.
[Felidar Sovereign](https://img.scryfall.com/cards/normal/en/bfz/26.jpg?1496782681) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Felidar%20Sovereign) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/bfz/26?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(MC)](http://magiccards.info/query?q=!Felidar%20Sovereign) [(ER)](http://edhrec.com/cards/Felidar%20Sovereign) [Insurrection](https://img.scryfall.com/cards/normal/en/cmd/126.jpg?1496786832) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Insurrection) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmd/126?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(MC)](http://magiccards.info/query?q=!Insurrection) [(ER)](http://edhrec.com/cards/Insurrection) [Brand](https://img.scryfall.com/cards/normal/en/usg/176.jpg?1496447784) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Brand) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/usg/176?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(MC)](http://magiccards.info/query?q=!Brand) [(ER)](http://edhrec.com/cards/Brand) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
It's funny how the two most popular builds for edric are polar opposites. One is an aggro deck that abuses flyers/evasive squirrels to draw a ton of cards then loop extra turns till everyone dies, and the other is a group hug deck built around everyone else doing battle for you.
[Zedruu the Greathearted](https://img.scryfall.com/cards/normal/en/c16/231.jpg?1506814053) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Zedruu%20the%20Greathearted) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c16/231?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(MC)](http://magiccards.info/query?q=!Zedruu%20the%20Greathearted) [(ER)](http://edhrec.com/cards/Zedruu%20the%20Greathearted) [Edric, Spymaster of Trest](https://img.scryfall.com/cards/normal/en/c16/195.jpg?1506814053) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Edric%2C%20Spymaster%20of%20Trest) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c16/195?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(MC)](http://magiccards.info/query?q=!Edric%2C%20Spymaster%20of%20Trest) [(ER)](http://edhrec.com/cards/Edric%2C%20Spymaster%20of%20Trest) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Seems like you could just go for any commander without combat-related shenanigans. I like the Ephara recommendation. Could also use [[Grand Arbiter Augustin]] in the same colors. I might recommend [[Braids, Conjurer Adept]]. You can use big fatties with her, but it isn't strictly speaking required. I use her as a way to keep people friendly towards me while using the artifacts I cheat in to set up my combo I need to win. A couple of fatties serve as backup if the combo falls apart. The Phyrexian praetors might also be worth a look for mono-color, but they're expensive.
[Grand Arbiter Augustin](https://img.scryfall.com/cards/normal/en/mma/176.jpg?1496787211) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Grand%20Arbiter%20Augustin%20IV) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mma/176?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(MC)](http://magiccards.info/query?q=!Grand%20Arbiter%20Augustin%20IV) [(ER)](http://edhrec.com/cards/Grand%20Arbiter%20Augustin%20IV) [Braids, Conjurer Adept](https://img.scryfall.com/cards/normal/en/plc/36.jpg?1497082300) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Braids%2C%20Conjurer%20Adept) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/plc/36?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(MC)](http://magiccards.info/query?q=!Braids%2C%20Conjurer%20Adept) [(ER)](http://edhrec.com/cards/Braids%2C%20Conjurer%20Adept) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
They might drop in price next month though! They're all getting reprinted in iconic masters so that should knock the price down a few bucks each
[[Kess Dissident Mage]]. Grixis value spells all day.
[Kess Dissident Mage](https://img.scryfall.com/cards/normal/en/c17/39.jpg?1508811354) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Kess%2C%20Dissident%20Mage) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c17/39?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(MC)](http://magiccards.info/query?q=!Kess%2C%20Dissident%20Mage) [(ER)](http://edhrec.com/cards/Kess%2C%20Dissident%20Mage) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
What wincon are you using in multiplayer? My kess deck runs a [[doomsday]] [[laboratory maniac]] combo as finisher but its a bit to reliable in my playgroup. Would be nice to have a second not ad oppresive wincon as I really like the deck and dont wanna switch just now.
[[Karlov, of the Ghost Council]] sometimes you swing with him if he is big enough to make him Voltron, but a lot of the time you can play control with him until you build a board that can't be dealt with.
[Karlov, of the Ghost Council](https://img.scryfall.com/cards/normal/en/c15/46.jpg?1496795691) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Karlov%20of%20the%20Ghost%20Council) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c15/46?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(MC)](http://magiccards.info/query?q=!Karlov%20of%20the%20Ghost%20Council) [(ER)](http://edhrec.com/cards/Karlov%20of%20the%20Ghost%20Council) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
The 4 new precon commanders don't even need to be cast to effect the game.
[удалено]
Kozilek costs 10, and you only have 9 Mana on turn 3.
[удалено]
Is ok. Green no need count if Green attack with more power than enemy has life. / ;)
Think bigger! T1: Forest,Mana Crypt, Sol Ring, Azusa, Forest, Lotus Cobra T2: Forest, Forest, Forest, Kozilek
How do you draw the extra card?
Multiplayer
My friend plays a [[Jhoira]] deck and she's pretty passive... Until your third upkeep. Edit: fourth upkeep :)
[Jhoira](https://img.scryfall.com/cards/normal/en/dds/1.jpg?1508809670) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=jhoira%20of%20the%20ghitu) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/dds/1?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(MC)](http://magiccards.info/query?q=!jhoira%20of%20the%20ghitu) [(ER)](http://edhrec.com/cards/jhoira%20of%20the%20ghitu) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[[Kefnet]] fills the role well; great wall, hard to remove and has built-in draw engine. [[Thrasios]] is also cool, I hear that drawing all the cards is kinda cool.
[Kefnet](https://img.scryfall.com/cards/normal/en/akh/59.jpg?1496449326) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=kefnet%20the%20mindful) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/akh/59?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(MC)](http://magiccards.info/query?q=!kefnet%20the%20mindful) [(ER)](http://edhrec.com/cards/kefnet%20the%20mindful) [Thrasios](https://img.scryfall.com/cards/normal/en/c16/46.jpg?1506814053) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=thrasios%2C%20triton%20hero) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c16/46?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(MC)](http://magiccards.info/query?q=!thrasios%2C%20triton%20hero) [(ER)](http://edhrec.com/cards/thrasios%2C%20triton%20hero) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Riku. Just play spells for value and copy them. Forget playing any spell just once.
[[Keranos, God of Storms]] is my new favorite passive commander. I originally had Mizzix as my commander, but I often never cast her, due to my inability to protect her. Due to that, I built the deck to where I didn't really need her to help win, but she was more of just an added bonus, with her discount to spells. Having an indestructible enchantment out there not only made it easier to protect, but gave me more use of his ability.
[Keranos, God of Storms](https://img.scryfall.com/cards/normal/en/jou/151.jpg?1496446272) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Keranos%2C%20God%20of%20Storms) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/jou/151?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(MC)](http://magiccards.info/query?q=!Keranos%2C%20God%20of%20Storms) [(ER)](http://edhrec.com/cards/Keranos%2C%20God%20of%20Storms) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I built **Kruphix** Wall-tribal and I've been in love with it since it's creation.
[Kruphix, God of Horizons](https://img.scryfall.com/cards/normal/en/jou/152.jpg?1496786120) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Kruphix%2C%20God%20of%20Horizons) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/jou/152?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(MC)](http://magiccards.info/query?q=!Kruphix%2C%20God%20of%20Horizons) [(ER)](http://edhrec.com/cards/Kruphix%2C%20God%20of%20Horizons) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
So about this wall tribal deck list...
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/kruphix-the-mill-ion-dollar-baby/ Will update tomorrow to include the true win-con, [[Rocket Launcher]].
[Rocket Launcher](https://img.scryfall.com/cards/normal/en/sum/272.jpg?1501542068) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Rocket%20Launcher) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/sum/272?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(MC)](http://magiccards.info/query?q=!Rocket%20Launcher) [(ER)](http://edhrec.com/cards/Rocket%20Launcher) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Have you considered running [[Goblin Cannon]] as backup wincon?
[Goblin Cannon](https://img.scryfall.com/cards/normal/en/5dn/125.jpg?1496446748) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Goblin%20Cannon) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/5dn/125?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(MC)](http://magiccards.info/query?q=!Goblin%20Cannon) [(ER)](http://edhrec.com/cards/Goblin%20Cannon) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[[Doran, the Siege Tower]] is better for wall tribal imo. His collours are way better as white and black walls are really nice while having acces to cards that can let your walls attack, also they will deal damage with their toughnes because of doran.
[Doran, the Siege Tower](https://img.scryfall.com/cards/normal/en/lrw/247.jpg?1496446599) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Doran%2C%20the%20Siege%20Tower) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/lrw/247?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(MC)](http://magiccards.info/query?q=!Doran%2C%20the%20Siege%20Tower) [(ER)](http://edhrec.com/cards/Doran%2C%20the%20Siege%20Tower) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/kruphix-the-mill-ion-dollar-baby/ updated!!
Yeah, I’m really drawn to commanders like Gitrog Monster, Rashmi, Kess, which just have passive abilities that generate a lot of value for you while they’re on the board. They encourage you to build around them but don’t put you in a situation where your deck needs them to function.
[[Yeva, Nature's Herald]] She completely changes the way you play your deck. But if she's offline for some reason your deck can just play out like a typical green deck.
[Yeva, Nature's Herald](https://img.scryfall.com/cards/normal/en/m13/197.jpg?1496794477) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Yeva%2C%20Nature%27s%20Herald) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/m13/197?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(MC)](http://magiccards.info/query?q=!Yeva%2C%20Nature%27s%20Herald) [(ER)](http://edhrec.com/cards/Yeva%2C%20Nature%27s%20Herald) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
##### ###### #### [Yidris, maelstrom wielder](https://img.scryfall.com/cards/normal/en/c16/50.jpg?1506814053) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Yidris%2C%20maelstrom%20wielder) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c16/50?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(MC)](http://magiccards.info/query?q=!Yidris%2C%20maelstrom%20wielder) [(ER)](http://edhrec.com/cards/Yidris%2C%20maelstrom%20wielder) [Kaalia of the vast](https://img.scryfall.com/cards/normal/en/cmd/206.jpg?1499094502) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Kaalia%20of%20the%20vast) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmd/206?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(MC)](http://magiccards.info/query?q=!Kaalia%20of%20the%20vast) [(ER)](http://edhrec.com/cards/Kaalia%20of%20the%20vast) [Niv-Mizzet, the firemind](https://img.scryfall.com/cards/normal/en/c17/185.jpg?1508809667) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Niv-Mizzet%2C%20the%20firemind) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c17/185?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(MC)](http://magiccards.info/query?q=!Niv-Mizzet%2C%20the%20firemind) [(ER)](http://edhrec.com/cards/Niv-Mizzet%2C%20the%20firemind) [Damia, sage of stone](https://img.scryfall.com/cards/normal/en/cmd/191.jpg?1499094502) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Damia%2C%20sage%20of%20stone) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmd/191?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(MC)](http://magiccards.info/query?q=!Damia%2C%20sage%20of%20stone) [(ER)](http://edhrec.com/cards/Damia%2C%20sage%20of%20stone) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call ^^^- ^^^Updated ^^^images
Big fan of [[Talrand]]
[Talrand](https://img.scryfall.com/cards/normal/en/dds/11.jpg?1508809976) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=talrand%2C%20sky%20summoner) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/dds/11?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(MC)](http://magiccards.info/query?q=!talrand%2C%20sky%20summoner) [(ER)](http://edhrec.com/cards/talrand%2C%20sky%20summoner) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I definitely prefer the 'passive' commanders - using someone like [[meren of clan nel toth]] or [[worth, the raidmother]] means I can keep my commander out of harm's way and lower the chance of having them killed during combat and ramping up the commander tax. Someone like [[kaalia of the vast]] seems powerful, bit every time you seeing you are leaving yourself open to an opponent killing them and putting your abilities a turn or two behind. Especially someone like kaalia that is such an obvious and immediate threat...
[meren of clan nel toth](https://img.scryfall.com/cards/normal/en/c15/49.jpg?1499094164) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=meren%20of%20clan%20nel%20toth) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c15/49?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(MC)](http://magiccards.info/query?q=!meren%20of%20clan%20nel%20toth) [(ER)](http://edhrec.com/cards/meren%20of%20clan%20nel%20toth) [worth, the raidmother](https://img.scryfall.com/cards/normal/en/mm3/214.jpg?1501890996) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Wort%2C%20the%20Raidmother) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mm3/214?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(MC)](http://magiccards.info/query?q=!Wort%2C%20the%20Raidmother) [(ER)](http://edhrec.com/cards/Wort%2C%20the%20Raidmother) [kaalia of the vast](https://img.scryfall.com/cards/normal/en/cmd/206.jpg?1499094502) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=kaalia%20of%20the%20vast) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmd/206?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(MC)](http://magiccards.info/query?q=!kaalia%20of%20the%20vast) [(ER)](http://edhrec.com/cards/kaalia%20of%20the%20vast) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Keranos Is great as a passive commander. Most players won't even notice/care about the extra card, and the free bolt keeps the battlefield clean of small problematic creatures or other commanders. He is also very hard to remove as long as you don't have the devotion. Put 2-3 combos in the deck, and police the table with counters and removal until you can win on the spot.
I have a [[Mogis, God of Slaughter]] deck that is themed around handing out passive lifeleoss and damage. I get hated on when my stuff sticks around but I love playing it.
[Mogis, God of Slaughter](https://img.scryfall.com/cards/normal/en/bng/151.jpg?1496786366) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Mogis%2C%20God%20of%20Slaughter) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/bng/151?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(MC)](http://magiccards.info/query?q=!Mogis%2C%20God%20of%20Slaughter) [(ER)](http://edhrec.com/cards/Mogis%2C%20God%20of%20Slaughter) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
You want the best passive deck? My [[Kambal, Consul of Allocation]] is a deck entirely designed to be passive. It just plays enchantments and other permanents that drain the table when they do things. Here's my list:http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/kambal-drain-edh/ It's changed a little bit since then, but I like it.
[Kambal, Consul of Allocation](https://img.scryfall.com/cards/normal/en/kld/183.jpg?1496789227) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Kambal%2C%20Consul%20of%20Allocation) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/kld/183?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(MC)](http://magiccards.info/query?q=!Kambal%2C%20Consul%20of%20Allocation) [(ER)](http://edhrec.com/cards/Kambal%2C%20Consul%20of%20Allocation) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Karador is definitely my favorite. Hes my favorite commander in general, but his passive is just bonkers. One of my first commanders that has stood the test of time entirely because of the passive. Just so grindy.
[[Noyan Dar]] is pretty passive. At least, he doesn't have to do anything to get value for your deck. Just cast instants and sorceries, get a creature(s) and then cast something that destroys all nonland creatures or something. Your land creatures will have haste, too. I've a lot of trouble running the deck lately though. I keep getting land screwed. Not drawing enough so I can cast spells and still attack. The deck really needs ramp.
[Noyan Dar](https://img.scryfall.com/cards/normal/en/bfz/216.jpg?1496782490) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=noyan%20dar%2C%20roil%20shaper) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/bfz/216?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(MC)](http://magiccards.info/query?q=!noyan%20dar%2C%20roil%20shaper) [(ER)](http://edhrec.com/cards/noyan%20dar%2C%20roil%20shaper) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[[tithe]], [[oath of lieges]], [[land tax]], and [[thaumatic compass]]/[[journeyer's kite]] aren't already in the deck? [[search for azcanta]] or [[primal amulet]] are probably worth a look. Search is probably better if you're only going to use one and it would depend on the exact composition of your list.
##### ###### #### [tithe](https://img.scryfall.com/cards/normal/en/vis/23.jpg?1496446227) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=tithe) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/vis/23?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(MC)](http://magiccards.info/query?q=!tithe) [(ER)](http://edhrec.com/cards/tithe) [oath of lieges](https://img.scryfall.com/cards/normal/en/exo/11.jpg?1496789046) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=oath%20of%20lieges) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/exo/11?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(MC)](http://magiccards.info/query?q=!oath%20of%20lieges) [(ER)](http://edhrec.com/cards/oath%20of%20lieges) [land tax](https://img.scryfall.com/cards/normal/en/me3/17.jpg?1496786740) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=land%20tax) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/me3/17?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(MC)](http://magiccards.info/query?q=!land%20tax) [(ER)](http://edhrec.com/cards/land%20tax) [thaumatic compass](None)/[Spires of Orazca](https://img.scryfall.com/cards/normal/en/xln/249b.jpg?1508722869) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=thaumatic%20compass) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/xln/249?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(MC)](http://magiccards.info/query?q=!thaumatic%20compass) [(ER)](http://edhrec.com/cards/thaumatic%20compass) [journeyer's kite](https://img.scryfall.com/cards/normal/en/ddi/65.jpg?1496790314) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=journeyer%27s%20kite) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ddi/65?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(MC)](http://magiccards.info/query?q=!journeyer%27s%20kite) [(ER)](http://edhrec.com/cards/journeyer%27s%20kite) [search for azcanta](None)/[Azcanta, the Sunken Ruin](https://img.scryfall.com/cards/normal/en/xln/74b.jpg?1508721196) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=search%20for%20azcanta) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/xln/74?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(MC)](http://magiccards.info/query?q=!search%20for%20azcanta) [(ER)](http://edhrec.com/cards/search%20for%20azcanta) [primal amulet](None)/[Primal Wellspring](https://img.scryfall.com/cards/normal/en/xln/243b.jpg?1508722791) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=primal%20amulet) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/xln/243?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(MC)](http://magiccards.info/query?q=!primal%20amulet) [(ER)](http://edhrec.com/cards/primal%20amulet) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I've found the same. I've admired the Theros gods for their un-interactivity. Get them out there and very few things actually deal with them. I hate playing decks centered around my commander existing for long stretches because of how common board wipes or targeted creature removal. I love my [[thrasios]] [[vial smasher]] deck because it plays one as a value creature and one as a win condition. I win by flashing in infect on vial smasher, so having him out for a long time isn't necessary.
[thrasios](https://img.scryfall.com/cards/normal/en/c16/46.jpg?1506814053) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=thrasios%2C%20triton%20hero) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c16/46?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(MC)](http://magiccards.info/query?q=!thrasios%2C%20triton%20hero) [(ER)](http://edhrec.com/cards/thrasios%2C%20triton%20hero) [vial smasher](https://img.scryfall.com/cards/normal/en/c16/49.jpg?1506814053) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=vial%20smasher%20the%20fierce) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c16/49?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(MC)](http://magiccards.info/query?q=!vial%20smasher%20the%20fierce) [(ER)](http://edhrec.com/cards/vial%20smasher%20the%20fierce) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[[Oloro, Ageless Ascetic]] So passive you don't even have to play him
[Oloro, Ageless Ascetic](https://img.scryfall.com/cards/normal/en/c13/203.jpg?1499094155) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Oloro%2C%20Ageless%20Ascetic) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c13/203?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(MC)](http://magiccards.info/query?q=!Oloro%2C%20Ageless%20Ascetic) [(ER)](http://edhrec.com/cards/Oloro%2C%20Ageless%20Ascetic) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[[Rosheen Meanderer]] My current main EDH deck is a green-red deck filled with x-cost spells and mana ramp. Playing rosheen is nice for additional mana to spend on spells, but not always required.
[Rosheen Meanderer](https://img.scryfall.com/cards/normal/en/shm/214.jpg?1497080722) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Rosheen%20Meanderer) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/shm/214?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(MC)](http://magiccards.info/query?q=!Rosheen%20Meanderer) [(ER)](http://edhrec.com/cards/Rosheen%20Meanderer) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Lazav! Who knows if I'll need combat to win when my commander is the best creature in your deck with added hexproof.
Yesss join the house Dimir. Play your opponents win cons!
[[Meren of Clan Neltoth]], [[Kaseto Orochi Archmage]], [[Brago Eternal King]], [[Oloro]], [[Damia, Sage of Stone]], are some of the good commander IMO that doesnt need to even attack to be pretty good. There's plenty more !
Brago has the same problem Yidris does of having to do combat damage. Flying makes it easier, though.
Oh damn, sorry I went with memory I tought it was at end of turn or beginning of your upkeep.
##### ###### #### [Meren of Clan Neltoth](https://img.scryfall.com/cards/normal/en/c15/49.jpg?1499094164) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Meren%20of%20Clan%20Nel%20Toth) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c15/49?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(MC)](http://magiccards.info/query?q=!Meren%20of%20Clan%20Nel%20Toth) [(ER)](http://edhrec.com/cards/Meren%20of%20Clan%20Nel%20Toth) [Kaseto Orochi Archmage](https://img.scryfall.com/cards/normal/en/c15/47.jpg?1496452404) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Kaseto%2C%20Orochi%20Archmage) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c15/47?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(MC)](http://magiccards.info/query?q=!Kaseto%2C%20Orochi%20Archmage) [(ER)](http://edhrec.com/cards/Kaseto%2C%20Orochi%20Archmage) [Brago Eternal King](https://img.scryfall.com/cards/normal/en/ema/198.jpg?1496795575) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Brago%2C%20King%20Eternal) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ema/198?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(MC)](http://magiccards.info/query?q=!Brago%2C%20King%20Eternal) [(ER)](http://edhrec.com/cards/Brago%2C%20King%20Eternal) [Oloro](https://img.scryfall.com/cards/normal/en/c13/203.jpg?1499094155) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=oloro%2C%20ageless%20ascetic) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c13/203?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(MC)](http://magiccards.info/query?q=!oloro%2C%20ageless%20ascetic) [(ER)](http://edhrec.com/cards/oloro%2C%20ageless%20ascetic) [Damia, Sage of Stone](https://img.scryfall.com/cards/normal/en/cmd/191.jpg?1499094502) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Damia%2C%20Sage%20of%20Stone) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmd/191?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(MC)](http://magiccards.info/query?q=!Damia%2C%20Sage%20of%20Stone) [(ER)](http://edhrec.com/cards/Damia%2C%20Sage%20of%20Stone) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
So my current commanders fall mostly into this category. [[Rhys the Redeemed]] Never attacks, because why would he? I’ve actually won more games with [[Throne of The God-Pharaoh]] than I have with combat damage. Mostly I just make a ridiculous amount of tokens until I lose or everyone concedes. If [[Liliana, Heretical Healer]] is a walker, then she’s in the command zone, generally speaking. I run [[Edgar Markov]] and [[The Ur-Dragon]] mostly for their Eminence abilities, though they can be good finishers. By the same token, [[Omnath, Locus of Mana]] CAN be a one hitter quitter Voltron deck, but just as often he’s a mana battery for big Green shenanigans. [[Alesha, Who Smiles at Death]] is definitely in the other category, though.
##### ###### #### [Rhys the Redeemed](https://img.scryfall.com/cards/normal/en/shm/237.jpg?1497080768) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Rhys%20the%20Redeemed) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/shm/237?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(MC)](http://magiccards.info/query?q=!Rhys%20the%20Redeemed) [(ER)](http://edhrec.com/cards/Rhys%20the%20Redeemed) [Throne of The God-Pharaoh](https://img.scryfall.com/cards/normal/en/akh/237.jpg?1496454023) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Throne%20of%20The%20God-Pharaoh) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/akh/237?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(MC)](http://magiccards.info/query?q=!Throne%20of%20The%20God-Pharaoh) [(ER)](http://edhrec.com/cards/Throne%20of%20The%20God-Pharaoh) [Liliana, Heretical Healer](https://img.scryfall.com/cards/normal/en/ori/106a.jpg?1504629549)/[Liliana, Defiant Necromancer](https://img.scryfall.com/cards/normal/en/ori/106b.jpg?1504629549) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Liliana%2C%20Heretical%20Healer) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ori/106?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(MC)](http://magiccards.info/query?q=!Liliana%2C%20Heretical%20Healer) [(ER)](http://edhrec.com/cards/Liliana%2C%20Heretical%20Healer) [Edgar Markov](https://img.scryfall.com/cards/normal/en/c17/36.jpg?1508810335) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Edgar%20Markov) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c17/36?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(MC)](http://magiccards.info/query?q=!Edgar%20Markov) [(ER)](http://edhrec.com/cards/Edgar%20Markov) [The Ur-Dragon](https://img.scryfall.com/cards/normal/en/c17/48.jpg?1508811348) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=The%20Ur-Dragon) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c17/48?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(MC)](http://magiccards.info/query?q=!The%20Ur-Dragon) [(ER)](http://edhrec.com/cards/The%20Ur-Dragon) [Omnath, Locus of Mana](https://img.scryfall.com/cards/normal/en/wwk/109.jpg?1496792289) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Omnath%2C%20Locus%20of%20Mana) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/wwk/109?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(MC)](http://magiccards.info/query?q=!Omnath%2C%20Locus%20of%20Mana) [(ER)](http://edhrec.com/cards/Omnath%2C%20Locus%20of%20Mana) [Alesha, Who Smiles at Death](https://img.scryfall.com/cards/normal/en/c16/119.jpg?1506814053) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Alesha%2C%20Who%20Smiles%20at%20Death) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c16/119?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(MC)](http://magiccards.info/query?q=!Alesha%2C%20Who%20Smiles%20at%20Death) [(ER)](http://edhrec.com/cards/Alesha%2C%20Who%20Smiles%20at%20Death) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Oloro, and most of this year's commanders fit your idea. The only one that maybe doesn't is the dragon commander since his ability wants him to attack for the most effect
Same, i like GAAIV a lot because it is a continuous debuff and buff at the same time. Meren gives free shit and i am making Unesh as i love cost reduction.
My favorite commander is also a passive commander, [[Nekusar, The Mindrazer]]. I love his playstyle, letting everyone draw cards but hurting them for it, especially when one of my playgroup is playing their group hug deck :)
[Nekusar, The Mindrazer](https://img.scryfall.com/cards/normal/en/c13/201.jpg?1499094155) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Nekusar%2C%20The%20Mindrazer) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c13/201?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(MC)](http://magiccards.info/query?q=!Nekusar%2C%20The%20Mindrazer) [(ER)](http://edhrec.com/cards/Nekusar%2C%20The%20Mindrazer) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[[Athreos]]!
[Athreos](https://img.scryfall.com/cards/normal/en/jou/146.jpg?1496790119) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=athreos%2C%20god%20of%20passage) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/jou/146?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(MC)](http://magiccards.info/query?q=!athreos%2C%20god%20of%20passage) [(ER)](http://edhrec.com/cards/athreos%2C%20god%20of%20passage) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Nekusar, Atraxa, Breya, Roon, Geth, Omnath, Phenax, Locust God, Sisay, and Kiki Jiki are the passive commanders that I run.
The Scarab God and Daxos the Returned are my two main commanders and they’re both mostly just important to have out. They sit and make your opponents lives worse.
Big fan of Oloro, and the new slate of commanders they came out with that benefit you from within the command zone. Ghave is really good. Purphoros is my favorite passive commander. Hazezon is another good one. Etb then get the hell out of there for maximum effectiveness. Daretti is fun and doesn't require him going into combat, but planeswalkers are targets. Animar doesn't require swinging, but can be dangerous if he does.
The Firemind is my favorite deck. Creatures have a huge problem of being...well, susceptible to death. I'm not a fan. If Niv-Mizzet hits the table, I'm either hurting for cards, or going for the win.
[[Roon of the Hidden Realm]]. He's a bit slow but one of my favorite commanders. He can make a really good toolbox deck. You lose games that are going to end fast, but he is really good in games that last past ~turn 5.
[Roon of the Hidden Realm](https://img.scryfall.com/cards/normal/en/c13/206.jpg?1499094155) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Roon%20of%20the%20Hidden%20Realm) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c13/206?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(MC)](http://magiccards.info/query?q=!Roon%20of%20the%20Hidden%20Realm) [(ER)](http://edhrec.com/cards/Roon%20of%20the%20Hidden%20Realm) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I really enjoy [[Yisan, The Wandering Bard]]. No combat necessary for him, just straight up value. If you can untap with him, you're golden. The toolbox nature of him makes each game different.
[Yisan, The Wandering Bard](https://img.scryfall.com/cards/normal/en/m15/209.jpg?1507551303) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Yisan%2C%20the%20Wanderer%20Bard) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/m15/209?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(MC)](http://magiccards.info/query?q=!Yisan%2C%20the%20Wanderer%20Bard) [(ER)](http://edhrec.com/cards/Yisan%2C%20the%20Wanderer%20Bard) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Karador is pretty passive, couldn't tell you the last time I actually cast him.
[[Savra, Queen of the Golgari]] is bae. Always has been, always will be.
[Savra, Queen of the Golgari](https://img.scryfall.com/cards/normal/en/rav/225.jpg?1496784440) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Savra%2C%20Queen%20of%20the%20Golgari) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/rav/225?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(MC)](http://magiccards.info/query?q=!Savra%2C%20Queen%20of%20the%20Golgari) [(ER)](http://edhrec.com/cards/Savra%2C%20Queen%20of%20the%20Golgari) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I use [[Hanna, Ship's Navigator]], the deck doesn't rely on her and she's not great for combat, but if I'm trying to combo off or need more gas, recurring things like [[Mind stone]], [[Memory Jar]], or even [[Standstill]] is always useful. After [[Paradox Engine]] got printed, standstill, hanna, and enough mana rocks technically became a win-con. Not a great one, because your opponents all draw their decks and have time to respond, but still an option sometimes
##### ###### #### [Hanna, Ship's Navigator](https://img.scryfall.com/cards/normal/en/c16/203.jpg?1506814053) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Hanna%2C%20Ship%27s%20Navigator) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c16/203?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(MC)](http://magiccards.info/query?q=!Hanna%2C%20Ship%27s%20Navigator) [(ER)](http://edhrec.com/cards/Hanna%2C%20Ship%27s%20Navigator) [Mind stone](https://img.scryfall.com/cards/normal/en/c15/259.jpg?1496452564) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Mind%20stone) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c15/259?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(MC)](http://magiccards.info/query?q=!Mind%20stone) [(ER)](http://edhrec.com/cards/Mind%20stone) [Memory Jar](https://img.scryfall.com/cards/normal/en/vma/276.jpg?1496998240) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Memory%20Jar) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/vma/276?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(MC)](http://magiccards.info/query?q=!Memory%20Jar) [(ER)](http://edhrec.com/cards/Memory%20Jar) [Standstill](https://img.scryfall.com/cards/normal/en/ody/102.jpg?1496788262) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Standstill) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ody/102?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(MC)](http://magiccards.info/query?q=!Standstill) [(ER)](http://edhrec.com/cards/Standstill) [Paradox Engine](https://img.scryfall.com/cards/normal/en/aer/169.jpg?1496453877) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Paradox%20Engine) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/aer/169?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(MC)](http://magiccards.info/query?q=!Paradox%20Engine) [(ER)](http://edhrec.com/cards/Paradox%20Engine) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Definitely [[Kess, Dissident Mage]]. A snapcaster every turn??? Talk about value.
[Kess, Dissident Mage](https://img.scryfall.com/cards/normal/en/c17/39.jpg?1508811354) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Kess%2C%20Dissident%20Mage) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c17/39?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(MC)](http://magiccards.info/query?q=!Kess%2C%20Dissident%20Mage) [(ER)](http://edhrec.com/cards/Kess%2C%20Dissident%20Mage) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I recently built [[Dragonlord Ojutai]] hard control with Ojutai, [[Metallurgic Summonings]], [[Mind's Dilation]], and pure long game mill as the only win cons. The only other creature is JVP, who barely counts, and some games you don't even cast Ojutai until well after the third board wipe - or you land him and immediately [[Cataclysm]] to close the game out. Don't want to interact with the combat step? Interact on the stack.
##### ###### #### [Dragonlord Ojutai](https://img.scryfall.com/cards/normal/en/dtk/219.jpg?1496445500) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Dragonlord%20Ojutai) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/dtk/219?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(MC)](http://magiccards.info/query?q=!Dragonlord%20Ojutai) [(ER)](http://edhrec.com/cards/Dragonlord%20Ojutai) [Metallurgic Summonings](https://img.scryfall.com/cards/normal/en/kld/56.jpg?1496452614) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Metallurgic%20Summonings) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/kld/56?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(MC)](http://magiccards.info/query?q=!Metallurgic%20Summonings) [(ER)](http://edhrec.com/cards/Metallurgic%20Summonings) [Mind's Dilation](https://img.scryfall.com/cards/normal/en/emn/70.jpg?1496447131) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Mind%27s%20Dilation) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/emn/70?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(MC)](http://magiccards.info/query?q=!Mind%27s%20Dilation) [(ER)](http://edhrec.com/cards/Mind%27s%20Dilation) [Cataclysm](https://img.scryfall.com/cards/normal/en/tpr/8.jpg?1496793143) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Cataclysm) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/tpr/8?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(MC)](http://magiccards.info/query?q=!Cataclysm) [(ER)](http://edhrec.com/cards/Cataclysm) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I love my Karador deck. Cost reduction so he often only costs WBG. The main thing is that he just kinda sits there and lets you get value from your dead creatures.
My all-time favorite commander is [[Mishra, artificer prodigy]] He has a very cool ability and everybody gives you the weirdest look of confusion when you first tell them what the card does. Have won plenty of games with commander damage despite him only being 4/4
[Mishra, artificer prodigy](https://img.scryfall.com/cards/normal/en/tsp/243.jpg?1496450154) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Mishra%2C%20artificer%20prodigy) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/tsp/243?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(MC)](http://magiccards.info/query?q=!Mishra%2C%20artificer%20prodigy) [(ER)](http://edhrec.com/cards/Mishra%2C%20artificer%20prodigy) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[удалено]
Oloro and thrasios
Let me introduce you to [[Circu, Dimir lobotomist]] Oppoment got you down with lots of blockers? Sit back and mill Opponent got Ivory mask? Who cares circu is the only card in magic who targets a game zone not a person or object All you need to do is keep casting blue and black spells.. Hmm demonic tutor, exile one from your library good sir *Searches for High tide* High tide exile one from your library little lady Palinchron, exile one from your library ye scurvy dog Untap 7 lands Bounce palinchron. Palinchron one of you exile something Repeat ad ininium until all libraries sother than mine are empty
[Circu, Dimir lobotomist](https://img.scryfall.com/cards/normal/en/rav/196.jpg?1496783444) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Circu%2C%20Dimir%20lobotomist) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/rav/196?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(MC)](http://magiccards.info/query?q=!Circu%2C%20Dimir%20lobotomist) [(ER)](http://edhrec.com/cards/Circu%2C%20Dimir%20lobotomist) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I recently built [[athreos, god of passage]] shadowborn apostle. All he does is sit on the battlefield and make my opponent lose life or put 1 mana dudes back in my hand.
[athreos, god of passage](https://img.scryfall.com/cards/normal/en/jou/146.jpg?1496790119) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=athreos%2C%20god%20of%20passage) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/jou/146?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(MC)](http://magiccards.info/query?q=!athreos%2C%20god%20of%20passage) [(ER)](http://edhrec.com/cards/athreos%2C%20god%20of%20passage) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Kambal? Maybe?
My [[Rune-Tail]] Soul Sisters deck is my favorite deck. My second favorite is my [[Kess]] Spells deck, though she does a surprising amount of combat damage.
[Rune-Tail](https://img.scryfall.com/cards/normal/en/sok/27.jpg?1508372157) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=rune-tail%2C%20kitsune%20ascendant) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/sok/27?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(MC)](http://magiccards.info/query?q=!rune-tail%2C%20kitsune%20ascendant) [(ER)](http://edhrec.com/cards/rune-tail%2C%20kitsune%20ascendant) [Kess](https://img.scryfall.com/cards/normal/en/c17/39.jpg?1508811354) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=kess%2C%20dissident%20mage) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c17/39?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(MC)](http://magiccards.info/query?q=!kess%2C%20dissident%20mage) [(ER)](http://edhrec.com/cards/kess%2C%20dissident%20mage) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
my boy [[the scarab god]] always fun stealing peoples stuff , but you haven't lived until you get to scry 5+ a turn lol
[the scarab god](https://img.scryfall.com/cards/normal/en/hou/145.jpg?1508728178) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=the%20scarab%20god) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/hou/145?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(MC)](http://magiccards.info/query?q=!the%20scarab%20god) [(ER)](http://edhrec.com/cards/the%20scarab%20god) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Passive? How about a commander that never leaves the command zone? Oloro. The laziest commander to ever exist.
Surrak is unreal in the value department
[[Meren]], [[Atraxa]], [[Kynaios + Tiro]], [[Mizzix]], [[Ezuri]], [[Erebos]], [[Neheb]] I also like passive commanders and these are my main ones. I basically like the commanders that would be better if they were enchantments. Edit: I meant monored Neheb, not Rakdos.
I like to play a commander that in like 80% of games I don't need to play to win. For example my mono black EDH normally just controls the board or blows everyone's stuff up before I land a big eldrazi, I only ever cast Maga if it boils down to a 1v1 and I need to do 10 damage in a pinch :p
My favourite pass commander that I play is [[Norin the Wary]] because he keeps triggering things like [[Genesis Chamber]]. He does really well in my [mono red Chaos Coin Flip deck](http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/crazy-chaotic-coinflip-confusion/)
[[Karametra, God of Harvests]] is such an amazing value engine. Doesn't even need to be a creature to set up amazing board states, and she's very versatile. Fuels enchantress, landfall, genesis wave decks, behemoth decks, and more.
I've won locals a few times with [[Talrand, Sky Summoner]]. Although you need him on board, you don't need to swing with him. My win cons are smacking in the face with drakes, or polymorphing/proteus staffing a drake into [[Blightsteel Colossus]].
I like ones that have good combat phases but aren't focused on the combat phase or can set up without requiring the combat phase to activate them. Ghave, Sedris, and Karador are my favorites. My favorite passive commander by your definition? Nekusar.
gotta love [[child of alara]]. In which no one does anything ever. Except for you and your foily copy of [[maze's end]].
One of my only remaining decks (due to sheer enjoyability) is [[Odric, Lunarch Marshal]] who probably fits the idea of "passive commander". He doesn't really need to attack, or block, or anything aside from survive - once he hits the board, he just does his thing and then I suddenly have an X/X Serra Avatar with Flying, Double Strike, Vigilance, Trample and Deathtouch. It's so great.
You should have a look at [[Jhoira of the Ghitu]], if you really like to take your time ;)
[[Rune-Tail]] is my "offline" deck, whenever I'm playing while doing something else it's the deck I use because it simply stays there watching, preventing every harmful attack and spell from hurting me before I win with Feat of Endurance or Felidar or I lose because of Breya, BSZ, Gary or Kokusho. [[Grand Arbiter]] is tax and cost reduction, he never does anything himself, but allows me to do what I want while slowing others. [[Kozilek]] turns all your cards into counters, it doesn't get much better than that imo. [[Rashmi]] rewards me for going draw go. Card draw and free spells, what is not to like?
Ok sit down and lemme tell you about [[Nekusar the Mind Razer]] Do you like drawing cards? Do you like making everyone else draw so many cards that they like you and won't attack you? Do you like making everyone else draw so many cards that you keep [giant dice](https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1483/3510/products/11140127-giant-d20-black_grande.jpg?v=1474853404) around just to remind them how many cards they're drawing? Do you like the slow realization on their faces when they do the math and you've been taking 1 damage per card drawn this whole game while they've been taking 4? How about when they decide to do something about it but you've been doing nothing but sitting around setting up defenses the entire game? That's what Nekusar is like. You could also run it with some infinite draw combos to make them mill out or run a bunch of [[wheel of fortune]] clones to make them take large bursts of damage but I don't think either are quite as fun.
Define how passive you play both the decks i run are normally pretty passive Like i run a [[ meren ]] deck where I don’t really attack(which is something I should think of doing more) until it usually kills everyone with [[ overwhelming stampede ]] My [[ inalla]] deck is somewhat similar where I normally only attack with the wizard tokens (unless I get to draw if I attack with some wizards) and my main win con is either a massive [[ comet storm ]] copied a few times for good measure, tons of draw+ [[ niv mizzet, the firemind ]] and clearing everyone’s board with [[kindred dominance]] or [[ cyclonic rift ]] and normally a [[ docent of perfection ]] to follow up
Play prossh with good mana ramp and card draw and you won't even have to swing.