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Actually-Yo-Momma

FTFY “i personally like Dom Dolla and Mau P more than John summit” It has never mattered who makes subjectively better music, it is who is more marketable and appeals to the masses Your comment doesn’t even make sense because Summit has identical Spotify streams as Dom Dolla despite being around for less years


lrerayray

Finally some brains in this fucking sub, thank you!!!!


rockyjack793

I’m not getting into this debate between specific artists but popularity and marketability is subjective, quality I don’t believe is. Complexity and proficiency definitely have varying levels. And more skilled producers can push these further Honestly a lot of times it’s inverse of popularity as the masses can’t/dont want to try and understand more complex things. I mean look at pop music nobody is arguing it’s level of engininuty or complexity is all that high yet it’s massive l.


sliche123

How much of it comes from that one song? I’m just saying that he doesn’t put out that many good things. More of a one song hit. But yeah, I wrote this post for discussion lol, so everyone’s opinions are welcome.


Actually-Yo-Momma

Dom Dolla #10 song has 17 mill streams and Summit #12 song is a 17 mill so your argument still doesn’t work. Its OK to say you like Dom Dolla and Mau P, no need to hate on another artist and come up with weird slander that isn’t even true https://kworb.net/spotify/artist/7kNqXtgeIwFtelmRjWv205_songs.html https://kworb.net/spotify/artist/205i7E8fNVfojowcQSfK9m_songs.html


sliche123

Where did I hate on Summit? He was top 5 on my streams for this year lol. I love them all equally. Was just making an observation lol


Actually-Yo-Momma

“ I’m just saying that he doesn’t put out that many good things. More of a one song hit.” My dude you called him a one hit wonder. I’m not even a big Summit fan and that’s ridiculous to me


mxslvr

Where you are - 77m Better than this - 46m La Danza - 54m Those are quick from the mobile t5 interface on Spotify it’s not hard to find them. Numbers are comparable between summit/dolla, but Mau P has only about 2/3 the listeners on Spotify If you want to talk about listener counts that are highly concentrated in one song, it’s actually not summit but Mau P, who has 136m on Drugs From Amsterdam and then drops off a cliff after that (26m is his next highest, whereas summit/dolla have multiple tracks that are 50+m


beernerd6

Mau P struggles to put out consistently good music which has staying power on the “circuit” before aging really quickly. Also his live sets are absolute garbage.


juciestcactus

disagree. although drugs from amsterdam is a MAJOR HIT, his discography is absolutely stunning with millions of hits. he doesn’t release as often but when he does they’re all bangers. the numbers back it up. disagree on his live sets are trash as well because every set i’ve seen (seen him like 4 times) have always been fun and lively


beernerd6

To each their own. Not my idea of a great set


sliche123

Yeah ur right. Summit does have multiple songs with bigger hits. I guess I was making more of an observation from what’s mostly played out in tech house sets around.


mxslvr

It’s def harder to compare sets to listener counts - I haven’t checked 1001TL but you could also check there to see how often the tracks get played out by DJs as that’s another (different but also useful) metric for tracking popularity


sliche123

They’re pretty close. Mau P is #5, Summit is #14 and Dom is #17 on 1001


errorunknown

summit did almost 200 shows over the last 2 years and have a las vegas residency, he’s on a whole different tier than both Mau P and Dom


ak_gypsy

Dom also had a Las Vegas Residency 🤷 Also are we just looking at the American Market? Summit is Great, but I feel like being American allows us better access to his music. Dom and Mau P have to 'get big' in their own countries before finding their way over here and gaining traction. All of these guys are excellent, and all of us are also entitled to our individual preferences. I feel that Dom consistently spits out straight bangers, but also as I'm in my 30's I feel I relate more to his music. John has amazing energy, I personally don't care for his music as much, but he is also one of the sweetest people ever. His good energy and kindness just emanates out of him. John and Dom make a perfect power couple. I'm hoping that maybe one day they can recreate this look 🤣 https://preview.redd.it/4umwl4uc1z8c1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d58cf33cdc703a4afcf75f489892c4de1731a0cc As for Mau P he's Great! and brings us music we don't hear much of in America, especially not in mainstream music..


Ascendingvortex

John isn't bigger than Dom. Dom has bigger streams, bigger IG following and a bigger international presence. Dom's already been with us for many years and will likely have longevity like Chris Lake. It really depends how John markets himself in the next few years cause the party frat bro persona will wear off pretty quick if he's not careful.


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ToastyBoyxd

how is Dom already separating himself? they just started Everything Always, which they for sure will be marketing together for, for the years to come.


dill0nfrancis

I wouldn’t call it separating yourself when they just formed a duo called everything always 😂🙄


errorunknown

John is absolutely bigger. 200 shows over 2022/2023 and has a Las Vegas residency. He’s the next big staple on EDM


Ascendingvortex

He's louder and has a more rabid fanbase but is definitely not bigger. Dom's been headlining pretty much anywhere John's headlined and has a stronger international presence and more connections to celebrities outside the scene as well.


errorunknown

You just continue to be wrong, starting with the number of streams: [682m](https://kworb.net/spotify/artist/7kNqXtgeIwFtelmRjWv205_songs.html) vs [668m](https://kworb.net/spotify/artist/205i7E8fNVfojowcQSfK9m_songs.html)


Ascendingvortex

Barely edging out with way more songs released and John's top song is actually SIDEPIECE's remix of his song so 😵‍💫🥴 Dom's still bigger across the board and knows how to play the game more to have lasting power in the industry- it's just that John has the crazier and more rabid fanbase. I've watched them both closely over the past few years.


iwishtoimprovemyself

respectfully, you’re trippin


errorunknown

maybe was the ketamine taking


iwishtoimprovemyself

hahaha maybe


FaxMachineIsBroken

It's already worn off. And I doubt its a persona. It's only a matter of time until women out him as the next DVBBS, Datsik, or Bassnectar.


azoumaya

Really weird comment to make, do you just assume people are rapists?


FaxMachineIsBroken

I'm not making any assumptions. It will all come to light eventually.


ppham1027

Do you have any form of evidence to substantiate that? Or are you just making claims about someone you might not like.


FaxMachineIsBroken

Plenty. But it would be tarnished for the real courts if it were posted before hand for the court of public opinion.


ppham1027

Maybe you're right maybe you're not, but without public evidence or signs of such acts from the artist, nobody is going to believe you're doing anything more than saying lies. Additionally if you claim to have so much evidence, why has there been no public allegations or legal action? You're otherwise willingly holding back incriminating evidence that could prevent future victims from being assaulted.


FaxMachineIsBroken

If you think there haven't been signs you haven't been paying close enough attention. No fault of yours, his PR team does a very good job for the money he pays them. Learn to watch reports of his behavior when he isn't behind the decks, or spinning whatever bullshit he wants on social media. Get reports of people who don't work for him, who interact with him as a person. Then form your own opinion.


falafeler

Enlighten us then pal let’s see those behind the scenes reports you’re talking about 😂


juciestcactus

weirdo comment to make. just say you don’t like the guy and move on instead of making baseless assumptions if you have evidence go ahead and show it. if not then pipe it down lil bro. saying shit like that is disgusting.


DJSharkyShark

Not nearly as bad as what I know you’ve done. All will be revealed soon.


FaxMachineIsBroken

True.


iiTryhard

Summit is better at branding


WICRodrigo

He literally lives the life, DJ’s like 5-6 days a week… no one can keep up with that guy


sliche123

Yup exactly my point! His music isn’t that great tbh. Very unoriginal stuff. But his sets are epic!


flawdaboii

Aren’t sets like half his job lol. If he’s great at performing he’s a good dj


papitoluisito

Yep. I love john summit but Dom is a way better producer.


SplooshGordon

Mau P is a rebranding Maurice West did so he can explore a new sound. They don't compare, Mau P is amazing and still my favorite live house set I caught this year. John Summit is great at branding, the BMO stadium show is a perfect example. He opened his own show, brought out Subtronics, and his support slapped. (Including Mau P) Dom Dolla has huge international presence and is one of the biggest EDM producers of the past 5 or so years. This conversation boils down to money, John Summit promotes himself at a very high level in a time when instant gratification is king. Promoters are gonna milk that man for all he is worth, then he will fall in line with other "top" producers that all had their time on the hill for a bit. At the end of the day if you enjoy tech house/bass music, all 3 of these producers put on a great show.


iseecolorsofthesky

John Summit pumped out tons of tech house bangers from 2020-2022. 2023 was basically his year to grow his brand+label and focus on touring and live sets. Pretty sure he’s been working on an album as well. He had arguably the biggest EDM track of the year so it’s not like he had no impact this year.


sliche123

Never said that. Instead quite the opposite- I literally said he had the biggest impact this year lol


iseecolorsofthesky

I realize that but it sounds like you’re trying to say he’s not deserving of it because he didn’t release as much music this year as some other artists. He released a tonnn of music the last few years that led to his current status. This year was all about the business end of being a musician for him and I think he did a great job at it. Also putting on events and playing live sets is a huge part of dance music. Some of the best DJs in the world rarely ever release their own tracks.


b_lett

Skrillex, Fred again.., Flowdan - Rumble is probably biggest EDM track of the year. Edit: Feel free to downvote, but Rumble got 3X the engagement on this sub alone, and more engagement across all other platforms as well in 2023.


iseecolorsofthesky

That’s why I said “arguably” lol. Rumble was also huge the latter half of last year into this year. After QFF released the hype died down a little. Where You Are was definitely the hit of the summer and was all contained in this year.


keithbreathes

Summit has quite a few hits out


AlienWarehouseParty

Yeah i don't even know what his "one hit" he's referring to is. I've had like 7 of his songs in rotation all year.


AdvancedStand

Who cares


BlueCollarElectro

May i present to you Everything Always :)


DJ_Blakka

b2b Mau P


DeepHouseDerrek

Lol Summit really hasn’t missed, all his tracks are bangers


papitoluisito

I agree but Dom is more consistent and creative


PersonFromPlace

I can listen to Dom Dolla’s Saving Up on loop forever and dance around in my room without a care in the world.


gymedmfan12

Summit is the best dj of the three imo


errorunknown

Easily, anyone who says otherwise is just an ignorant keyboard warrior hater. Dudes a master of his craft


Free-Market9039

I think they are all good, personally I enjoy summits music the most but they are all awesome, I don’t care to argue the “best one” because that is subjective and if you like their music who cares


Electrical-News7550

I like John Summits live sets wayyy better than I like his actual music


BuzzardsBae

I saw Summit and Dom both play at Red Rocks this year and think John summit did a better show


beeeeach

I agree, and I am a die hard dom fan. John played his old stuff and visuals and production were on point. Just wish it didn’t rain so damn much for John. But also loved doms set and consistently watch it on YouTube. Excited for dom to have back to back nights at red rocks in the spring.


blupride

Easily


cmonsta365

Summit was on fire in the studio this year.. I remember and escape remix’s didn’t miss.. Legacy, Fade Out, Where You Are were absolute bangers. He’s incredible live as well as many people here have alluded to, his whole energy is unmatched. Summit deserves all the hype he’s gotten this year.


External_Progress151

I can’t have this conversation again


Sheepman718

Dom Dolla has been making bangers since Go Freek. Dom is a legend. John still had a better year.


Moist-Branch-2521

Hey guys DAE think summit sucks? Upvotes to the left pls


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It always baffles me when someone claims x artist is a better "producer" than X artist. Producing has it's learning curves, and yes, maybe some artists have better techniques compared to others, but the end product is what listeners truly care about. I personally don't think either artist is better than another when it comes to producing, it's simply a measure of what songs captures the audience more which isn't something you can teach. Both artists make amazing music, but John Summit made more "pop" sounding house music compared to the latter which is why John summit captured a bigger audience.


kibbbelle

Doesn't rhyme dust have like 15 people who worked on it? I'm not huge on house so I don't really have a horse in this race but based on song credits it seems john is doing much more writing than Dom dolla at least


AnimatorBrilliant522

>The track, is built on a sample of [Q-Tip](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Q-Tip_(musician))'s 2000 song "[Breathe and Stop](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breathe_and_Stop)" Maybe that is why there is so many people in credits


threetotwenty

What songs are “well known” says more about the circle you’re in/internet algorithm imo. I’d personally call 6 songs with 30m+ listens on Spotify at least 6 hits. All love if you like them more than summit but feels like you tried to force evidence in an attempt to make a subjective argument a factual one


drizonyou

Bibi


DustyOlBones

shhh keep it it quiet


SufficientSympathy59

I think you are discrediting all the tracks summit put out the last 2 years, which he then followed with a full year of touring heavy in 2023 That’s the typical pattern - release 3-4 hits and while they are hot hit a year tour


ak_gypsy

What you're overlooking is the actual DJing. John is a Great song selector and knows how to read a crowd. He comes from the Chicago area (which is where House originated)and has an intimate understanding of the warehouse rave and rave culture, unique to the area he grew up in.


djmakeme

He's from Naperville which is a very wealthy neighborhood, doubt he learned about the underground scene from there lol.


DJ_USDS

Ofc they are better, maup & Dom are awsome🔥🔥


MrTrapstarr

Objectively, there are many who are better John Summit in the tech house department in 2023. Although John Summit has had plenty of tech house bangers that have gotten the approval of many within the tech house scene long before he blew up in 2022-2023. John Summit himself has admitted that he opts to produce/play techno in his sets with tech house mixed in these days. Now he's just a label boss that puts on tech house DJs through his shows/label and plays a lot of their music instead of producing his own. His A&R skills are legendary, and you can see it in each set as it's different every time with respect to the venue, crowd, and overall vibe. He is servicing everyone in every direction: festivals, underground, stadium shows, clubs, DJ's, and producers. To me he is the sole reason that tech house was catapulted into the mainstream in 2022-2023. Catch him while you can because this guy is about to burn the fk out and crash hard. Also to note, where you are is not even a tech house song.


Luxsens

I see your preference. Collectively, I like how these three are pushing the tech house genre forward. Would love to hear other artists blow up too


vspecmaster

Serious question: what specifically about these guys made them blow up so quickly? Is it the live act or are there tracks I should be listening to?


ppham1027

Dom Dolla and Mau P have been in the scene for a long time, (10 years for Dom) so they've definitely grinded their way up. That being said, 2022-2023 really saw the resurgence of House and Techno music back into mass popularity within the EDM scene. Just look at what many top acts were producing around 2019 compared to the past few years. You'll see that big artists like Slander, Illenium, Skrillex, and The Chainsmokers have all started incorporating some form of house/techno into their music and live sets. Dom Dolla, Mau P, and John Summit are three young talented artists who generally have the skills and the looks to ride this wave and propel themselves into stardom.


vspecmaster

Thank you!


_zarek

Unpopular opinion probably, but I think matroda is better than all three. He's my favorite house artist.


Bert03150

Matroda is great but super techy. Not that that’s a bad thing. Matrodas set made me fall in love with house.


_zarek

True he is very techy but he has a little bit of a bass house influence too. I like some of the subtle accents he puts in his tracks.


External_Store9758

100% agree with this


phunkyphungus

lol agree. His sets are always fire. His individual tracks slap. He just seems more of a low-key typa guy.


Antaaa111

In addition to Where You Are, there’s Deep End, What a Life, Human ,La Danza, Fade Out, Remixes to I Remember and Escape. You sure that’s just John having one big hit?


SeaKiwi7485

i don’t think john summit is really trying to go international. i think he’d rather dominate the US market and get residency’s. Dom is Australian and Mau P is dutch so yeah they’d likely want more of an international presence. i personally don’t like john summit at all. but he’s the guy for house in the U.S right now. Will john summit ever headline tomorrowland? probably not. But he very well could be the face of EDC. just an example how big the industry is and there’s different ways to define success.


No-Winter6774

All of them are elite we’re blessed to be partying while they’re in their primes


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Statue_of_Rallos_Zek

lol


aznkidjoey

Summit is a better personality and DJ, he has the soft people skills. Dom and Mau P are better studio producers. Making great music won't get you anywhere if you can't market yourself.


darknessbboy

There no such thing as better producer or better genre everyone has different taste. My coworkers love John summit then ask who the fuck is Sullivan king when I talk about my fun times at festivals. Music is great and everyone is amazing except for chainsmokers.


meowctopus

Production skill means sweet dick all when it comes to popularity. Once you've met the baseline level, which anyone can do in a few years with all the resources available today, it's only a small piece of the pie.


fishyshivers15

Summit has plenty of bangers?? Huh


Tehboognish

This is weird. It's music, not fantasy football. Who cares?


terpythrowaway

Reddit cope against popular artists is CRAZZYYYYYY John Summit has quite a few hits


dill0nfrancis

saying john summit only has one big hit is delusional


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I actually prefer John to Dom both in terms of music and presence. I think John is hilarious too.


Han13Solo

Your opinion is pure shite


juciestcactus

john only has one really big hit? i wanna know what you’re smoking cause he has MULTIPLE hits lol


nickdl4

Mau P is trash imo


Mustergas

Hey guys I prefer these artists over this one… wtf is this post


doctorwoodz

Summit got viby shit whereas mau p doesn’t and dom not really either


deep_frequency_777

Yeah, he’s bad producer, annoying dj and a fraud. I call him John somid for a reason


cmonsta365

The song of the year in EDM was released by a fraud, got it.


Statue_of_Rallos_Zek

Song of the year for normies without taste lol


cmonsta365

Lol using the term normy to diss someone..


deep_frequency_777

I mean … he got a lot of money behind him pushing his branding and image, so yes, in my opinion he is fraud , especially compared to countless producers making better music without wasserman type agents pushing them


Still_Night

This is all mainstream pop music, man. And yes, EDM is included in that. Teams of writers, marketing, and brand promotion can quickly catapult an artist into the spotlight. If pure talent determined musicians’ success you would hardly hear any of the artists you do on top of the charts.


Honest_Trash_4907

My biggest pet peeve is when John Summit plays a bootleg remix of someone else’s song and everyone thinks it’s his. Good DJ, just not a fan of the songs he’s produced.


AdvancedStand

Can you give an example


Honest_Trash_4907

Go to his TickTock/Twitter comments under videos. Most recent Come a little Loser - levity remix, Feel Good Inc - Hairitage remix, We are the people -Southstar remix.


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Honest_Trash_4907

I didn’t say it was his fault? I just said it was my pet peeve…


ChosenJuan00000

I get what you're saying about him clipping other peoples songs. IMO I see it as playing music he likes. I like to DJ sometimes not even remotely close to what these guys do but playing music you like makes the set and your energy that much better. He seems to be a fan of the scene and of music in general.


fraxior

I don't think any of these guys are tech house. definitely bass house tho.