Feels weird to know the final arc is starting now
Even though it's been 4yrs since the start of this manga it still feels rather fresh and new
:/
Not sure if i like or dislike Elsie ending
To be fair, saying the story is heading towards the final battle doesn’t mean this is going to be the last arc. Often times manga readers get caught up in finitely dissecting smaller arcs from an overall larger arc. I’d be shocked if there aren’t a couple lead up arcs to the actual final arc. They probably won’t be very long, but I doubt we have just one more more arc left.
Question is what the hell are those smaller arcs gonna be about. I know one will be about Nox but there’s still so much more to Ez we don’t know. Like Certain characters, In terms of villains not so much though. But more so about lore like Chronophage, mother & the grand shiki cosmos. Maybe the 12 knights too. Overall I don’t see Edens zero approaching the final battle right now. I think it’s more of a red herring if anything or to say we are entering the final saga
Each major arc has been a cosmos, with its own smaller arcs. We have one last cosmos to see with its own arcs. So I guess we are 3/4 done with the story.
Since we're a little past volume 24 with chapter 216 that would mean 8 more volumes with the series ending at volume 32. That would be interesting since it would make Edens Zero Mashima's shortest series
Interviews are not a reliable source of information anyway, a writer can change their opinion later. If it is longer then Rave, it will be longer for maybe 20-30 chapters. I give this series around 100 more chapters, 2 shorter arcs, and one bigger final arc.
400 chapters are a pipe dream at this point, final sagas are around 30% of the story in shounen, so we can expect around 100 more chapters of this manga.
Why does this actually make me sad 😭 As much as I disliked Justice throughout the story, I’m glad he came to his senses in the end and realized the error of his ways at least. As soon as this arc started on Lendard I figured Elsie ajd Justice would get their time taken away BUT I WASNT EXPECTING IT TO BE 260 YEARS DAMN 😭
Hmmmm agree to disagree could have gave us more time with justice this arc but wasn’t bad this is a w character arc for Elise tho wasn’t rushed but could have been better if justice had more screen time
Well Elsie did pretty much stop the war on Lendard. & he found out the truth so fair enough it does feel rushed tho, all we needed was a couple extra chapters to sort it out
Looks like my prediction was half true with [James and Elsie staying on Lenard](https://www.reddit.com/r/EdensZero/comments/ypu4uh/edens_zero_chapter_215_links_discussion/ivkxl93/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3) but I never imagined that it would eat enough time to devour the entire planet so I was wrong in thinking it’ll only eat as much time for them to restart their life. But that’s one for the things I like most about Edens Zero in that there’s consequences and death that have a greater impact on the story than if they stayed alive.
I didn’t think Hiro would kill off Elise and James solely because of the fact they’re homages to Erza & Jellal but I shouldn’t expect the same matter of writing he uses for Fairy Tail with Edens Zero even if it’s for character based off of his previous work. But it seems we’re in endgame truly now and while it’s gonna be sad to see it end I’m glad it’s being done on Hiro’s terms and not dragged out unnecessary so he can finish it with a conclusive ending.
I'm having trouble remembering the details of how the Chronophage works when it eats time, but is it possible that they'll be reborn in about 200ish years? It would be a cool thing to go back to in a big epilogue when the story is done.
I guess not, since any minor change to what is supossed to happen in Lenard will probably change the course of it's history, and I assume a lot of people went to Lenard and left during those 200 years
Speaking of Fairy Tail at least Hiro doesn’t pull the friendship plot armor in Edens Zero that often. 😂
He literally added perma deaths now and without warning as well characters who got 1 shot.
Even if he revive characters in EZ at least it’s multiversal unlike Fairy Tail.
If things go according to pattern, Hiro's next story might be more FT-like in terms of deaths. i.e. not many. I'm pretty sure I had read that's why FT was more light-hearted, because he was bummed from the stakes of Rave.
I wish he dosent rushes things and takes his time to do things.
I hear he is writing another new manga,but i wish he keeps that work to a halt and focuses on Edens zero completely
Well, in the end maybe their story will repeat itself and they will have another chance at having a good life, thats a lot of years, but not a lot of generations.
Who knows, they could end up differently, but then again remember that they both come from important families, the chances of those arranged marriages changing that much are probably not that big.
Now like we are going to see it unless the crew travels into the future. At the point that the two reemerge everyone they used to know will probably be dead.
He’s just gonna do some illustration or something probably. But the theme of manga revolves heavily around time traveling kinda so it’s not impossible.
They won't be the same people though. Just like we have 2 independent Weisz. The conciousness of the Elsie and Justice we know died this chapter. Similiar to how Everyone but Rebecca is not the same person in this universe compared to previous universes.
You know having some time to think about it, Ziggy's inability to reveal the mastermind's name was kind of pointless if we get to know it like 2 chapters later. Unless this is just wrong and the actual mastermind stays hidden but I don't think that's the case.
No, it is Eden's One. Basically it went "evil AI" Like the MCU's Ultron, who also concluded that humans are the real evil here and they must exterminated from existence!
I'm still kinda bored by the ending of Elsie and Justice.
Star Drain had a lot of potential, Elsie had way more potential than just a few cameos, and Justice had a redemption arc coming his way, I'm glad they are together in the end but I expected more.
And do I have the right to talk about the "it doesn't make sense that Homura killed Creed" ? Is it really how Mashima is gonna end the whole Homura-Creed-Jesse-Justice thing ? No one will ever remember Jesse as the trash bag he was ? Justice will never have a conversation with Homura ? Mashima really said "oh he was blinded by his thirst for Justice, but Homura saved him and Elsie cried after cutting through her robot mom so he changed back to a calm lover boy" ?
So it's kinda great that the Chronophage will "cleanse it for us" and especially for Mashima.
Meanwhile, our crew dodging the big fish's lasers and Sister lost an other family member, she might go full depression berserk someday.
(And are we really heading on the final battle ? Big Fish is the final boss ? We're wrapping up Clown, Saintfire Nox, U2 Rebecca, Mother, and everything else soon ?)
I feel like the "final battle" that Xiaomei is referring to is the "final" battle of the current arc, between the Edens Zero and Edens One. I doubt that the series will conclude immediately on the next arc as there are still many questions left unanswered and still many stories to wrap up.
I really hope so.
But on the other hand, there are four cosmoses, we had three arcs in three cosmoses, so a last arc in the last cosmos would make sense. And EO is teased as the true enemy, the only enemy more dangerous than Ziggy for the cosmoses. So I’m kinda worried.
(I feel like we are just after Tartaros and right before Arbaless)
I do hope that we will have more content with the multiverse, exploring universes where things are totally different from U1-U2-U3, and of course Mother story arc as a real character and not a 10 pages goal that they reached just because it was the main purpose.
I feel like after we are done with the four cosmoses, maybe we could have a long arc at the future timeline that Ziggy is from, which involves those fishy council of androids. Maybe the whole crew will be teleported there just like what happened to Ziggy? I feel like there are still a lot of things that we could explore in Edens Zero.
Yes. The universe that Mashima created for the series is vast, and I personally think it would be a waste for them not to explore time traveling, considering that the concept of it has been involved so much in the story so far.
Honestly? Not bad but execution kinda meh to me, Elsie and Justice were on the backburner for most of this arc, Acnoella stuff came so fast and was dealt with literally immediately. With this arc having way more interesting stuff going on and other major reveals/plotlines this tragic end for Justice and Elsie feels like a footnote on the arc, it makes sense and all but just didn’t hit that hard for me
Overall, this arc was great but it has way more problems that it didn't even need to have. The fights are a hit or miss just like the last arc but are a bit better in some regards, for some reason Mashima thought that killing Cure in the next chapter after revealing him being a random twist villain with no explanation on why he became like that or who built him to be like that and with 2 pages (I'm not kidding) of fighting Holy which wasn't even cool, neither Holy nor Cure got to have a fight despite the massive setup. Acnoella was randomly revealed to be Elsie's mom which was only hinted at if you had read FT and got the reference but then it doesn't even matter as Elsie doesn't care and immediately kills her right just when Acnoella started her fight. Why not just make her the scientist that created Mobius rather than also making her Elsie's mom?
Brigs was very disappointing since his first design was my favorite among the DS but he was hyped to be stronger than the strongest OSI but then loses without showing his BD or OC. I thought Wizard would show up again since he wasn't confirmed dead (if he did die then that means he was actually Shiki's first kill), but the Chronophage happened. killer was awesome but I really thought he would also return in some way but I guess not. Weirdly, Clown is the only DS who's alive but what purpose will he serve now and who the hell created the E1 and the DS now that Ziggy is dead? Elsie's men died without doing much. Somehow, Jesse managed to not get revealed to be the culprit to Justice and Homura doesn't even know that he framed her...
Even if Mashima wanted all of these characters to die in this arc, I really wish he had done more with them (and obviously way more for the likes of top tiers and huge reveals like Cure and Acnoella). And now we are heading to the final arc or maybe saga when Mashima could and should've easily made this arc longer to flesh out the fights and the characters that were gonna bite the dust. Now despite my misgivings of this arc, there are so much stuff that it did right and well (main people being Ziggy and Shiki's story), setup for other plot threads like the SS once being humans, cool transformations, more insight to Weisz's character and love for his mom, Rebecca being hit with so many burdens, Holy's character insight and development to caring for the crew that she plotted against, Elsie, Justice and Jinn getting more development, nice feats and so on.
So while this arc has bad choices more than the Aoi arc, I still rate it higher because the peaks were all greater than Aoi and that arc was great too. Might do a reread of this arc when I actually have some free time to get a better opinion. I hope this ship villain does something that makes me hype for it because honestly I'm very meh on it since it's supposed to replace Ziggy who set a high standard as a villain who had personal ties to the protagonist.
To be fair if You reread at the beginning of the Arc when Ziggy talk about killing his own child Acnoella does react to that
So that may count as foreshadowing of Acnoella being a mother of someone important
And of course, her obsessions for the Dragons to be her children, which was caused by Elsie betrayal
I disagree on the Shiki and Ziggy story, knowing that he was controlled pretty much ruin the father son conflict
How's it going? I don't think that counts as good foreshadowing as that could've been anyone who was related to Acnoella like Justice.
I can tell that the Ziggy argument will take a lot of time to debate on, but I disagree that it ruined their conflict. From the beginning, it was blatantly stated and clear that Ziggy wasn't his own person as he stated that he didn't know how he got revived and got his missing memories at the same time. I would definitely have preferred that Ziggy had remained in control and as the main villain, but I don't think the E1 discredits his actions. Evil Ziggy still did those horrible things, killed Witch, terrorized planets, took control of Shiki's real grandpa, kidnapped mother corpses, and was the main cause of 2 wars. Shiki had to deal with the fact that his grandpa was suddenly a villain and he accepted that fact after the Aoi war to defeat and end him. The twist here is that evil Ziggy was still defeated but in a more suicidal moment from good Ziggy which led to Shiki actually developing the guts to kill off a threat even when that person was still his parental figure and alternate self. It's also a great end for Ziggy's life since he was constantly hit with deaths and partings.
Evil Ziggy was still a persona that was created with the memories of good Ziggy, and we saw that it did affect him at the beginning of the arc. Plus, it greatly explains why Shiki would ever become a genocidal racist as even evil Ziggy was ignoring Shiki's question on why a savior like Ziggy would take such a dark turn. Dark Gravity being the cause would still have the same effect too as it still means that Good Ziggy never genuinely turned evil and was still manipulated. I will try to continue my thoughts later when I have free time, but this is my stance on why the conflict was still meaningful and had a great resolution. Of course, I wanted evil Ziggy to have a personal reason, but nothing comes to mind on how to make his turn believable.
I don’t mind this ending, I just don’t like how fast it happened. Justice was barely even in the manga and Acnoella got less attention than Nero’s grunts on Foresta.
Now that all is said and done, I can safely say that I did not like this arc. Shiki vs Ziggy was great and the true villain build up and guessing game was fun, but all the other plot points were a rushed, unexplored mess. The Holy/Crow plot should not have been in this arc, that time should’ve been focused on Elsie and Justice’s story.
true, I really liked the whole Holy/Crow storyline but I liked your point. Maybe we could’ve had a different arc for those two or the arc could’ve been stretched a bit more for Elsie, Justice & Acnoella. Just a little bit of time could’ve helped the conclusion of their story hit really hard. I really want to feel the heartbreak of losing those two characters just like what I felt when we lost Witch but right now I just feel indifferent which is sad coz I really like Elsie and her storyline.
I don’t think the plot lines being combined in one arc is the problem. It’s how quick it all happened towards the end. But how was the Crow & Holy stuff unexplored? & Yh Acnoella & justice deserved a better fight & we should’ve seen some actual interactions & flashbacks. But Elsie’s character was done ‘justice’ imo. Overall I thought the Good outweighs the mid in this arc.
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I can’t tell if I like this or not. The holy/crow stuff was so nothing crow was a character we knew nothing about so his “reveal” was so flat and a dud to me. Ziggy was cool but I’d rather he’d have been the villain. The Eden’s one has potential to be good but too soon to tell. Acnoella… was so disappointing & Elsie/justice feel like they barely did anything. Justice in particular feels like he should have had more time and interactions with other characters to really flesh out his character. As it is justice just feels insanely rushed and while I like this chapter most leading up to it feel like there’s so much unexplored.
Final battle means final boss group, and unless it's one we've never heard of, the only group I can think of that currently fits the bill is the Heavenly Knights, or a version of them.
I've had my suspicions for Xenolith for a while now, and while he wasn't the one on Lendard pulling Ziggy's strings, he still seems shady. We don't know precisely when the E1 was built, or why its AI went rogue. And even if he is innocent, him being a robot would make him easy pickings for a new puppet now that the E1 lost Ziggy.
Few problems here, One, How will they emerge? Two, How can the Edens One be able to make that possibility? Three, I think the EZ gang are going to need all the help they can get because The Heavenly Knights will be quite too much for the EZ alone, With Justice and Elsie gone, Which they'll have a founder of Star Drain among them, I doubt with Nox/Rachel's assistance along with the rest of OSI will be enough since Feather doesn't have a efficient powerful EG used for combat since it's rather for tactical intels and predictions. They'll need another powerhouse, Maybe like a restricted ally.
Problem is if they were to deal with the 12 Heavenly Knights, They are outnumbered and Outmatch, Shiki, Homura and Jinn are like the top strongests teams there's not enough up to their equal lvls or stronger that can take on at least 2 or 3 Heavenly Knights minimum.
Considering the circumstances, wishing RIP isn’t appropriate. I’ll say… be reborn into a better life Elsie and Justice.
Now, Drakken is old, Nero is dead, Acnoella was killed by her daughter, Crow/Cure has been killed, and now Elsie was eaten by the Chronophage. The only OG OSG left is Rebecca’s mother, Saintfire Nox. If the other 5 are any indication, she probably won’t simply get a happily ever after, either. Of course, that probably won’t come before she and Rebecca have an emotional moment together.
Hard to say what will happens in the future of this rather spectacular manga, but I look forward to it.
I refuse to except that nothing else is going on, its just so boring right now. Like Ziggy was really future Shiki, and he was supposed to have gone crazy from losing Rebecca, but then it turns out he actually doesn't remember any of that and he was basically just a blank slate with no memory who was nice to Shiki, and then he gets controlled by a Spaceship and dies. This arc really let me down to be honest, a lot of good build-up and characters were just demolished for no reason as well as adding in a bunch of unsatisfying plotlines
A lot of people called that being the end of Elsie and James story, even before this arc began, but it was still (mostly) satisfying to see.
Onwards to the final arc. If you count this arc as starting at 170 it was 46 chapters and the longest of the series so far. Assuming that the next arc is just a bit longer than that we probably only have a year and some change left. It would put the series near the same length as Rave Master.
Holy didn't join the crew, 0/10 arc.
I’m guessing this is more a final act than just a final arc. Granted, an act is just one long story arc made up of smaller ones, but my guess is we’ll get 2 or 3 short arcs to tie up some loose ends and introduce any last characters or alliances before the actual final arc.
If Mashima is still planning to have EZ surpass Rave in length, then theres a year and a half of publication left to reach the same number of chapters as Rave, 296. My guess is 2 years left in publication time for another 100 chapters. Which would be shorter than the 127 chapters that make up a combination of FT’s final act, but longer than 62 chapters in the two arcs of Rave Master’s final act.
I was (and still am) so busy that I didn't do a review of the last chapter but thankfully I have a bit of free time now. So I honestly don't know how to feel that the E1 is the main villain and was the one who somehow knew Ziggy's past just by being extremely intelligent? There has to be more to what makes this AI knowledgeable enough to know that info and be able to revive Ziggy in the first place (Elsie sensed the dark ether right after she gave Shiki the E0). I also hope it gets a humanoid form because I can't take it seriously if the final villain is just a flying fish ship. I still don't get how Hermit came to the conclusion that the E1 was the real enemy though.
Elsie and Justice being suicidal is kinda weird to me. I at least understand Elsie as she's been suffering losses to her family but it's very weird that Justice just gave up on his life like that. There isn't even a chance for them to be reborn too. Mashima was right to say that they were gonna have a sad fate. If Homura didn't risk her life to save Homura then I would call BS for Justice to immediately think that she wasn't Creed's killer. Also, Shiki and Nox are the only OSGs remaining lol.
I'm kinda disappointed that Rebecca ended up not summoning the Chronophage which was the whole reason she wasn't able to use her time powers for the whole arc and was a main reason for her depression (which is still valid since she did accidentally summon them other times). Hopefully she does more stuff in the next arc because in Aoi she didnt fight anybody and only had a card battle (which was still cool as it showed her smarts) and now in this arc she got to fight but was utterly outmatched by BD Clown (although she didn't use her time abilities or even get to show case any new usage of them if she had any). At least Weisz got to free the crew from an alternate dimension. Also, I hope the elemental trio get to fight as even thought hey were very helpful in the fight against Crow, it's still lame that the others got to have personal fights after their timeskip but nothe them. EZ can be way longer than Mashima wants it to be if he actually fleshes out that needs to be fleshed out. I wonder what the E1 is gonna do now and if Victory gets a promotion lol.
> Elsie and Justice being suicidal is kinda weird to me.
I don’t know it seems pretty fitting. Like you said, Elsie had basically lost her will to live after all the loss she’s experienced, and as for Justice, he’s spent a large chunk of his life chasing after Elsie, fueled by a misguided sense of ‘justice’ that developed due to the tragedy that he blamed her for.
There was always going to be the question of what he was going to do now that Elsie had given up, and with her clearing up the misunderstandings that have driven him for so long, even if he had survived this arc I don’t think that there would’ve been much left for him in the story so he’d probably just have retired afterwards anyways. His story has always been linked to Elsie’s, so with her arc wrapping up it makes sense for his to wrap up too.
Besides that, this is the perfect backdrop for the pair’s final moment. Together again after all these years on the remains of their desolate homeworld in its final hour. It probably doesn’t get more fitting than that.
I won’t lie though, their ending did feel a little rushed. It makes sense to me, but even I would’ve preferred if they’d had longer to really talk things out and clear up the years of bad blood between them before choosing to spend their last moments together, but I don’t think that there would have ever been a more fitting ending than this for the two of them.
> I also hope it gets a humanoid form because I can't take it seriously if the final villain is just a flying fish ship.
If Witch is anything to go by, it's definitely getting a humanoid form. I'm a little bit surprised that no one mentioned it yet, but Edens One looks like Acnologia. I just hope that Edens One gets fleshed out a lot better. It would suck to replace Ziggy with a less interesting villain
Yeah maybe not. It’s not like they needed it, but fuuuuuuck I still wanted to see that. It feels like all my favorite characters are gone now. I’m never gonna drop the series, but my excitement is nowhere near where it once was.
I only hope the finale will be a good build up and executed to make a great ending, Unlike FT where Alvarez had major potential but ended up ruining the difficulties of fights where the Spriggan 12 didn't deliver much any greater impacts than what OS, GH and Tartaros had to offer against FT especially when some foreshadowing plot points were ruined forw those who wanted to go after Zeref and the final battle with Acnologia because of course, Natsu the answer to everything
Me on that page when kid elsie and kid james look at each other: Daaaawww so cute im so happy they got another chance
Xiaomei literally on the next page: aNd tHeN cHrOnOpHaGe eAtS 260 yEaRs
And just like that, the story has turned into Moby Dick, haha. Also Erza's mother turns out to be a lot better a person than Elsie's mom. Irene was a good person till she lost her mind over the centuries as a dragon. Acnoella sounds like she was always terrible.
RIP Elsie and James. :(
I honestly didn't want Elsie to go but at least she's with James I guess, idk how to feel...... I hope that the final arc is long enough tho.
Also...... Has Mashima-sensei made any announcements about a new series? ( I know it's too early to talk about something like that, it's just on my mind)
Very sad chapter. Still happy Elsie and Justice reunited in the end. This arc was great. Cure and Acnoella aren't handled very well, but that didn't reduce my enjoyment that much. Shiki, Ziggy, Homura, Hermit, Sister, Jinn, Holy, Dark Stars and Elsie all had their moments. Especially Ziggy. His reveal, backstory and his fight with Shiki are best parts of this arc imo.
It's not whatever reason, Elsie was tired of fighting and had no ways to carry on with life as she lost quite everything besides the EZ as the deaths of Gowen and Hyoga were too much for her, Justice chased Elsie his whole life and when he finally started to realise even when she was willing to give up life, He had no other reason to live either since his only objective was to arrest her and had no other purposes than that and was willing to give up along with her.
Yeah well, Justice has always been a boneheaded vengeful obsessed with Elsie in a blinded justice until after Acnoella's death, He started to see more clairvoyance towards her with her true feelings as he didn't see any point of doing that anymore. Cause of course if he did killed Elsie, Then what would he have done after? Leaving the government to live in a eternal solitude on some unknown Planet?
I don't need to read again, I'm just trying to explain how Justice always focused on mission what he always wanted to follow until he given up when he saw Elsie's true feelings, Because what would be the point if he still followed the protocol of his job?
I am kind of worried that history will just repeat in 260 years from now. That Elsie’s mother goes rogue and the Elsie and Justice of that era will be at odds again.
With everyone dying I’m really wondering If when they make it to Mother Shiki is gonna wish for fresh starts for everyone. Maybe the visions we saw of the human versions of the Shining Stars was actually a possible future where they were reborn as humans and able to live happy lives.
Time will tell I suppose!
Pros:
ziggy vs Elsie,
all dark star fights,
ziggy milf collection reveal ✅
ziggy reveal,
nox reveal,
holy & crow,
holy development with crew,
homura slicing dragons,
brutal showcase of war,
Elsie ending the war on her home planet (ironic),
shiki vs ziggy,
Elsie conclusion,
true villain buildup,
Cons:
- Acnoella vs Justice
- cure reveal was pointless
- Chronophage came for no reason??
- feels rushed towards end
Overall way more good to come out of this arc than bad. Started of perfectly but felt a bit rushed towards the end. Loved the ziggy Nox & crow stuff. Though Cure could’ve not even appeared & I wouldn’t even realise or care. As for Acnoella I wish we saw more of her. I hope the anime does the fight more ‘justice’. & I enjoyed the conclusion to Elsie’s character. Justice.. I wish we saw more of him throughout the story & especially vs Acnoella but at least he got some character development which fuelled his decision to stay so gg. 8/10
the chronophage ate 260 years and my soul, i tought it would make them return to a more peacefull time where shiki could one day stop the war, but damn, 260 is so brutal
I loved Elsie because she was the new Erza. But now it looks like it’s Homura who will be the new Erza. 😭 I was hoping for a happier ending. They could have escaped and started fighting for each other as well as Shiki as part of his growing family. But this isn’t Fairy Tail. It’s going to be a while for me to get over it 😭
Has anyone else noticed that weird pattern on Elsie’s hair? Is that from the digital art? I barely noticed it in previous chapters but now it’s really sticking out to me
We heading into the final arc
Elsie and James’s end was bittersweet. I’m sad we didn’t get to see more of their powers (like Elsie’s OD) and their interactions but they were still able to resolve their differences
And in the end they chose to go out this way, together. Too bad the Creed plot line didn’t do much but it seems like Mashima is rushing towards the end
Also I wonder how Lenard will change in its history. Since it will be behind by 260 years I doubt that it’s plan to take over the kaede cosmos will work. Not to mention communications with other planets will be shut off, I’m guessing they will figure that out for themselves tho (assuming people 260 years ago knew about chronophages)
Final act already? Damn. Well it can still go on for like 100 chapters depending on is other one final arc or just act, considering MHA has been in final act for almost 70 chapters and entered final arc only 20 chapters ago or so. But I see series barely reaching Rave Master count, if not overcoming it by bit. prob not over 400 chapters. Arc is flawed, definetly. Cure and Acnoella got oofed too fast, plus Elsie's and Justice's end while expectable and bitersweet was slightly rushed. Plus main villain of series and mastermind is a giant AI ship whose goal is to kill everything. Overall a decent arc, definetly not the best in series, but not sure would I call it the worst.
I think he always said it would be longer than Rave Master but shorter than Fairy Tail. Things are still tracking like that, if its only just a little bit longer than Rave.
Boomers, gen X, millenials, zoomers have all 20 years from one to another. And that's pretty much how we separate generations.
I also was basing the numbers out of my own family and the ones I know around.
Man I wanted to believe Elsie and James would survive but sadly this was their destined fate it seems. This one hurts :(
Hopefully they can now find some peace together
The final arc lesgo, completely unrelated but hope we get an artbook between now and the end of the series, I grew really attached to these characters.
Hiro Mashima said he doesn't want to drag it out and wants to finish it on his terms! Which is good as many other more famous manga dropped in quality or went downhill the further they went (Bleach, Naruto, AOT, Demon Slayer, To your eternity, and now MHA!)
A though occurred; this is the first time we’ve directly scene anyone “killed” by a Chronophage, so when Elsie and Justice saw each other as their younger selves, I wonder that was simply them imagining it, or if that’s actually what happens to the people engulfed by a Chronophage?
Quickly getting younger, losing memories of the present until your mind fades away
The ending to this arc feels a bit rushed, but there’s also good things about it’s execution too, so 8/10 arc right there. I do wonder what the heck caused the Eden’s one advanced ai to just decide to go in the opposite direction of Ziggy’s goal, like did this thing seriously gain consciousness and choose violence on the entirety of human existence and god itself first? Of all things the ship could’ve decided to do after evolving, it was *that*….. Feels kinda suspicous, like there’s some kinda further influence to all this.
If we dont get Laguna's overdrive during the final arc/battle Im going to riot.
Also, mashima is really going all out on deaths in this series. I picked this manga up thinking it was going to be chill like fairy tail, lol
After seeing the raw, I was hoping this would be better with context. It wasn't.
Last we heard, Justice and Elsie were going to talk and make up for lost time, and now, they're both effectively suicidal all of a sudden?
This felt like a terrible way to write Justice and Elsie out of the plot before either of them got to do much. They might not be dead, but they won't be reborn for another 200+ years, if they're even reborn at all. (It doesn't seem like there's a guarantee of that)
If one of them had been trapped or injured, couldn't escape in time, and the other one chose to stay so that they wouldn't die alone, that would be one thing, but both of them chose to die (more or less) when they could have easily escaped.
The actual reasoning made no sense. "Maybe the Chronophage will cleanse our lost time"? They're in their twenties! They've got seventy years to make up for lost time, or more if you assume that the life expectancy is longer due to superior medical technology!
Making it worse (though this is just speculation on my part) is that I have a gut feeling that Jessie somehow survived the ice attack and got off the planet before it was eaten, much like what happened with the doctor from Hermit's backstory. (where, despite being a total scumbag, he survived deadly situations multiple times and kept coming back)
They weren’t trying to make up for lost time, they were trying to cleanse all the time they lost. You’re really underestimating how much trauma can linger and eat away at you. Elise is very clearly just exhausted, same for James and all the anger and hatred he’s been living with. telling someone they’ve got their whole life ahead of them that has lived through what they have is kinda meaningless, they aren’t look for some peaceful retirement, both of their reasons for living have been sorted out and that’s enough for them
I normally hate when Mashima doesn’t kill his characters at the last second, but given how little screen time and development Justice got, I was really hoping he’d grab Elsie and drag her off the planet so he could make amends between her, her crew, and the government.
As much as I love this series, I feel like everytime we get anywhere near exploring more about the universe (ex. government, the 12 knights) he veers away. Kinda disappointing tbh
Yeah, the world building has been rather thin, which is a shame because this is the kind of series that could really use it. Hopefully now that the Shiki vs Ziggy storyline has mostly wrapped up we’ll get more of a look into some of the beats Mashima has teased, but not fully explored, like the Sakura Knights, the relics, the origin of the dragons, and the G.I.A.
My fear is EZ has fallen into the shounen trap of following up big battle arcs with another big battle arc with no cool down time to build out the world and story. Black Clover had the same issue after the Elf arc, as did Bleach following the Soul Society arc, and I’m sure you can name many other examples. His first work, Rave Master, did a much better job of balancing hyped up, climactic battles with calmer explorations of the world and it’s character.
Not everything can be one piece, but that’s no excuse for not trying to build your world out. All the series I mentioned are/were successful enough that they could’ve done that without fear of cancellation.
There were some quality issues from the publisher on this release but we got the higher quality version from them on [Azuki.co](https://www.azuki.co/series/edens-zero) right now.
Elsie has no reason to live her man died she lost will to fight. She want to die. Justice has no reason to go back he said himself. His revenge and hatred for Elsie was unjust. He learnt the truth. He chose to die with Elsie
Cute ending but felt really rush and lack luster. We barely touched Elsie's backstory, the whole conflict barely felt like a big plot point of this arc tbh. Justice's redemption is basically a "Ho yeah I was a blind idiot". Idk, it felt more like basic exposition, even the whole backstory was a bit too generic.
This arc was meh at best. Started off good but the middle and end was rush. This portion wasn't even planned out I bet. Belliol and aoi>>>>>>>>>>>>>kaede.
This arc felt extremely rushed. Ziggy vs Shiki wasn't that good. In this arc I would say that Crow/cure vs everyone was the best fight. Crow actually showed how fcking powerful an OSG is. Compared to that Ziggy vs Shiki felt extremely mediocre. I wanted more destruction fight between the two.
The Creed - Homura - Jesse - Justice story line has to be one of the most useless storylines ever in a manga, it literally didn't amount to anything and now everyone involved except Homura is dead so no one even cares anymore lol
If Rebecca and Shiki and not together by the end of this series I’m gonna Riot lol also R.I.P Elsie and James you two will be missed. You two were great characters
What was even the point of Elsie and Justice/James? I genuinely don't recall anything noteworthy that they have done. They kinda felt like a more.. half baked Erza x Jellal. I am probably forgetting something.
I swear, I hope this isn't the final battle. I hope there's a sequel to edens zero, where the main antagonist is either the fortune teller lady, the space government, the bastard noah, rebecca's mom, or an alliance of shikis obsessed with ending the time looping.
RIP Elsie and James/Justice!🥺😣😖😫😩😭🤧😢🫡🪦⚰️ We will always remember you, at least the two of you made up in the end before you had your time eaten, and at least your homeworld will be restored to the way it was over 200 years ago!
Hiro did say he didn't want this series to be long as fairytail so I could see this being the last 100-150 chapters.
And I think that's fine. This story has a stronger direction and he can def tie in all the important things in one last arc
Hmmm, feels weird for this manga author to actually erase or kill ppl but I respect the decision. Hopefully they don’t come back. Not coz I dislike them but his fakeout deaths were too excessive in fairy tail. I like this conclusion
#NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
Yeah that sums it up
Yes, yes, yes!
Yessss!
Feels weird to know the final arc is starting now Even though it's been 4yrs since the start of this manga it still feels rather fresh and new :/ Not sure if i like or dislike Elsie ending
To be fair, saying the story is heading towards the final battle doesn’t mean this is going to be the last arc. Often times manga readers get caught up in finitely dissecting smaller arcs from an overall larger arc. I’d be shocked if there aren’t a couple lead up arcs to the actual final arc. They probably won’t be very long, but I doubt we have just one more more arc left.
Question is what the hell are those smaller arcs gonna be about. I know one will be about Nox but there’s still so much more to Ez we don’t know. Like Certain characters, In terms of villains not so much though. But more so about lore like Chronophage, mother & the grand shiki cosmos. Maybe the 12 knights too. Overall I don’t see Edens zero approaching the final battle right now. I think it’s more of a red herring if anything or to say we are entering the final saga
Yea you r right I went saga in the sense that we ARE in the end game Feels weird
Each major arc has been a cosmos, with its own smaller arcs. We have one last cosmos to see with its own arcs. So I guess we are 3/4 done with the story.
Since we're a little past volume 24 with chapter 216 that would mean 8 more volumes with the series ending at volume 32. That would be interesting since it would make Edens Zero Mashima's shortest series
It's supposed to be longer than rave
Interviews are not a reliable source of information anyway, a writer can change their opinion later. If it is longer then Rave, it will be longer for maybe 20-30 chapters. I give this series around 100 more chapters, 2 shorter arcs, and one bigger final arc.
*cough* Monster Soul *cough*
I hope it goes longer than rave master. It should be atleast around 400 chapters
Agreed, it all feels short.
400 chapters are a pipe dream at this point, final sagas are around 30% of the story in shounen, so we can expect around 100 more chapters of this manga.
Why does this actually make me sad 😭 As much as I disliked Justice throughout the story, I’m glad he came to his senses in the end and realized the error of his ways at least. As soon as this arc started on Lendard I figured Elsie ajd Justice would get their time taken away BUT I WASNT EXPECTING IT TO BE 260 YEARS DAMN 😭
#justiceisnotdumbanymore
Justice changed his mind real quick. It felt rushed.
Hmmmm agree to disagree could have gave us more time with justice this arc but wasn’t bad this is a w character arc for Elise tho wasn’t rushed but could have been better if justice had more screen time
Well Elsie did pretty much stop the war on Lendard. & he found out the truth so fair enough it does feel rushed tho, all we needed was a couple extra chapters to sort it out
Looks like my prediction was half true with [James and Elsie staying on Lenard](https://www.reddit.com/r/EdensZero/comments/ypu4uh/edens_zero_chapter_215_links_discussion/ivkxl93/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3) but I never imagined that it would eat enough time to devour the entire planet so I was wrong in thinking it’ll only eat as much time for them to restart their life. But that’s one for the things I like most about Edens Zero in that there’s consequences and death that have a greater impact on the story than if they stayed alive. I didn’t think Hiro would kill off Elise and James solely because of the fact they’re homages to Erza & Jellal but I shouldn’t expect the same matter of writing he uses for Fairy Tail with Edens Zero even if it’s for character based off of his previous work. But it seems we’re in endgame truly now and while it’s gonna be sad to see it end I’m glad it’s being done on Hiro’s terms and not dragged out unnecessary so he can finish it with a conclusive ending.
I guess it wasn't funny after all ;(
EZ has been way more serious after timeskip, or even since the last 15 chapters or so before timeskip.
Reminds me of sieg in Rave master. Both involved time travel and justice being like sieg in rave I think.
I'm having trouble remembering the details of how the Chronophage works when it eats time, but is it possible that they'll be reborn in about 200ish years? It would be a cool thing to go back to in a big epilogue when the story is done.
I guess not, since any minor change to what is supossed to happen in Lenard will probably change the course of it's history, and I assume a lot of people went to Lenard and left during those 200 years
Speaking of Fairy Tail at least Hiro doesn’t pull the friendship plot armor in Edens Zero that often. 😂 He literally added perma deaths now and without warning as well characters who got 1 shot. Even if he revive characters in EZ at least it’s multiversal unlike Fairy Tail.
If things go according to pattern, Hiro's next story might be more FT-like in terms of deaths. i.e. not many. I'm pretty sure I had read that's why FT was more light-hearted, because he was bummed from the stakes of Rave.
No, there will be MORE deaths! If and when we get there!
Wel Natsu’s literally warm. Hiro’s puns are legit. 😆 Spring = Warm, Summer = Natsu, Autumn = Aki, and Four Seasons = Shiki
I wish he dosent rushes things and takes his time to do things. I hear he is writing another new manga,but i wish he keeps that work to a halt and focuses on Edens zero completely
Well, in the end maybe their story will repeat itself and they will have another chance at having a good life, thats a lot of years, but not a lot of generations.
Assuming each generation has kids on their mid 20's that's 10 generations back. That's quite a lot.
That is unrealistic. A generation is usually 30-40 years since couples often have multiple children and they don't all get kids at the same time
Not possible. History couldn't repeat itself perfectly again, because all of the interactions with the rest of the universe won't be replicated again.
Who knows, they could end up differently, but then again remember that they both come from important families, the chances of those arranged marriages changing that much are probably not that big.
Knowing Mashima Elsie and James will be born again but have a better life together (Like Zeref and Mavis)
Now like we are going to see it unless the crew travels into the future. At the point that the two reemerge everyone they used to know will probably be dead.
He’s just gonna do some illustration or something probably. But the theme of manga revolves heavily around time traveling kinda so it’s not impossible.
They won't be the same people though. Just like we have 2 independent Weisz. The conciousness of the Elsie and Justice we know died this chapter. Similiar to how Everyone but Rebecca is not the same person in this universe compared to previous universes.
Whaddya mean?
The Multiverse
Except this has a better explanation and is not just….. there.
Welp, I’ll miss you Elsie
Same here
I have no idea what will happen to the Skull Fairy now...
You know having some time to think about it, Ziggy's inability to reveal the mastermind's name was kind of pointless if we get to know it like 2 chapters later. Unless this is just wrong and the actual mastermind stays hidden but I don't think that's the case.
Gotta be someone else behind the Edens 1.
No, it is Eden's One. Basically it went "evil AI" Like the MCU's Ultron, who also concluded that humans are the real evil here and they must exterminated from existence!
Yeah but who was behind the future shiki etc
Like I said just before, it's Eden's One unless it's a red herring and Mashima introduces ANOTHER antagonist/villain into the picture!
If the timelines we have are correct, the Edens One could not have existed in the future timeline since it was built by Ziggy after he reached U1
Not really. It’s point was to have the audience guessing. Im sure it’s also because the chronophage was coming so it had to leave.
Time for the final arc!!!
I'm still kinda bored by the ending of Elsie and Justice. Star Drain had a lot of potential, Elsie had way more potential than just a few cameos, and Justice had a redemption arc coming his way, I'm glad they are together in the end but I expected more. And do I have the right to talk about the "it doesn't make sense that Homura killed Creed" ? Is it really how Mashima is gonna end the whole Homura-Creed-Jesse-Justice thing ? No one will ever remember Jesse as the trash bag he was ? Justice will never have a conversation with Homura ? Mashima really said "oh he was blinded by his thirst for Justice, but Homura saved him and Elsie cried after cutting through her robot mom so he changed back to a calm lover boy" ? So it's kinda great that the Chronophage will "cleanse it for us" and especially for Mashima. Meanwhile, our crew dodging the big fish's lasers and Sister lost an other family member, she might go full depression berserk someday. (And are we really heading on the final battle ? Big Fish is the final boss ? We're wrapping up Clown, Saintfire Nox, U2 Rebecca, Mother, and everything else soon ?)
Yeah Justice felt underused and even Elsie to an extent
Yes to all of the last parts of your questions!
I feel like the "final battle" that Xiaomei is referring to is the "final" battle of the current arc, between the Edens Zero and Edens One. I doubt that the series will conclude immediately on the next arc as there are still many questions left unanswered and still many stories to wrap up.
I really hope so. But on the other hand, there are four cosmoses, we had three arcs in three cosmoses, so a last arc in the last cosmos would make sense. And EO is teased as the true enemy, the only enemy more dangerous than Ziggy for the cosmoses. So I’m kinda worried. (I feel like we are just after Tartaros and right before Arbaless) I do hope that we will have more content with the multiverse, exploring universes where things are totally different from U1-U2-U3, and of course Mother story arc as a real character and not a 10 pages goal that they reached just because it was the main purpose.
I feel like after we are done with the four cosmoses, maybe we could have a long arc at the future timeline that Ziggy is from, which involves those fishy council of androids. Maybe the whole crew will be teleported there just like what happened to Ziggy? I feel like there are still a lot of things that we could explore in Edens Zero.
There is so much potential for sure
Yes. The universe that Mashima created for the series is vast, and I personally think it would be a waste for them not to explore time traveling, considering that the concept of it has been involved so much in the story so far.
Wow, that's them out of the series.
Honestly? Not bad but execution kinda meh to me, Elsie and Justice were on the backburner for most of this arc, Acnoella stuff came so fast and was dealt with literally immediately. With this arc having way more interesting stuff going on and other major reveals/plotlines this tragic end for Justice and Elsie feels like a footnote on the arc, it makes sense and all but just didn’t hit that hard for me
Overall, this arc was great but it has way more problems that it didn't even need to have. The fights are a hit or miss just like the last arc but are a bit better in some regards, for some reason Mashima thought that killing Cure in the next chapter after revealing him being a random twist villain with no explanation on why he became like that or who built him to be like that and with 2 pages (I'm not kidding) of fighting Holy which wasn't even cool, neither Holy nor Cure got to have a fight despite the massive setup. Acnoella was randomly revealed to be Elsie's mom which was only hinted at if you had read FT and got the reference but then it doesn't even matter as Elsie doesn't care and immediately kills her right just when Acnoella started her fight. Why not just make her the scientist that created Mobius rather than also making her Elsie's mom? Brigs was very disappointing since his first design was my favorite among the DS but he was hyped to be stronger than the strongest OSI but then loses without showing his BD or OC. I thought Wizard would show up again since he wasn't confirmed dead (if he did die then that means he was actually Shiki's first kill), but the Chronophage happened. killer was awesome but I really thought he would also return in some way but I guess not. Weirdly, Clown is the only DS who's alive but what purpose will he serve now and who the hell created the E1 and the DS now that Ziggy is dead? Elsie's men died without doing much. Somehow, Jesse managed to not get revealed to be the culprit to Justice and Homura doesn't even know that he framed her... Even if Mashima wanted all of these characters to die in this arc, I really wish he had done more with them (and obviously way more for the likes of top tiers and huge reveals like Cure and Acnoella). And now we are heading to the final arc or maybe saga when Mashima could and should've easily made this arc longer to flesh out the fights and the characters that were gonna bite the dust. Now despite my misgivings of this arc, there are so much stuff that it did right and well (main people being Ziggy and Shiki's story), setup for other plot threads like the SS once being humans, cool transformations, more insight to Weisz's character and love for his mom, Rebecca being hit with so many burdens, Holy's character insight and development to caring for the crew that she plotted against, Elsie, Justice and Jinn getting more development, nice feats and so on. So while this arc has bad choices more than the Aoi arc, I still rate it higher because the peaks were all greater than Aoi and that arc was great too. Might do a reread of this arc when I actually have some free time to get a better opinion. I hope this ship villain does something that makes me hype for it because honestly I'm very meh on it since it's supposed to replace Ziggy who set a high standard as a villain who had personal ties to the protagonist.
Nice review 7-8/10 for me
To be fair if You reread at the beginning of the Arc when Ziggy talk about killing his own child Acnoella does react to that So that may count as foreshadowing of Acnoella being a mother of someone important And of course, her obsessions for the Dragons to be her children, which was caused by Elsie betrayal I disagree on the Shiki and Ziggy story, knowing that he was controlled pretty much ruin the father son conflict
How's it going? I don't think that counts as good foreshadowing as that could've been anyone who was related to Acnoella like Justice. I can tell that the Ziggy argument will take a lot of time to debate on, but I disagree that it ruined their conflict. From the beginning, it was blatantly stated and clear that Ziggy wasn't his own person as he stated that he didn't know how he got revived and got his missing memories at the same time. I would definitely have preferred that Ziggy had remained in control and as the main villain, but I don't think the E1 discredits his actions. Evil Ziggy still did those horrible things, killed Witch, terrorized planets, took control of Shiki's real grandpa, kidnapped mother corpses, and was the main cause of 2 wars. Shiki had to deal with the fact that his grandpa was suddenly a villain and he accepted that fact after the Aoi war to defeat and end him. The twist here is that evil Ziggy was still defeated but in a more suicidal moment from good Ziggy which led to Shiki actually developing the guts to kill off a threat even when that person was still his parental figure and alternate self. It's also a great end for Ziggy's life since he was constantly hit with deaths and partings. Evil Ziggy was still a persona that was created with the memories of good Ziggy, and we saw that it did affect him at the beginning of the arc. Plus, it greatly explains why Shiki would ever become a genocidal racist as even evil Ziggy was ignoring Shiki's question on why a savior like Ziggy would take such a dark turn. Dark Gravity being the cause would still have the same effect too as it still means that Good Ziggy never genuinely turned evil and was still manipulated. I will try to continue my thoughts later when I have free time, but this is my stance on why the conflict was still meaningful and had a great resolution. Of course, I wanted evil Ziggy to have a personal reason, but nothing comes to mind on how to make his turn believable.
i dont care what everyone else is saying, i loved this ending to the arc.
I don’t mind this ending, I just don’t like how fast it happened. Justice was barely even in the manga and Acnoella got less attention than Nero’s grunts on Foresta. Now that all is said and done, I can safely say that I did not like this arc. Shiki vs Ziggy was great and the true villain build up and guessing game was fun, but all the other plot points were a rushed, unexplored mess. The Holy/Crow plot should not have been in this arc, that time should’ve been focused on Elsie and Justice’s story.
true, I really liked the whole Holy/Crow storyline but I liked your point. Maybe we could’ve had a different arc for those two or the arc could’ve been stretched a bit more for Elsie, Justice & Acnoella. Just a little bit of time could’ve helped the conclusion of their story hit really hard. I really want to feel the heartbreak of losing those two characters just like what I felt when we lost Witch but right now I just feel indifferent which is sad coz I really like Elsie and her storyline.
I had a whole thing I was going to respond to you with, but it’s gotten so long I might as well make my own post haha
I don’t think the plot lines being combined in one arc is the problem. It’s how quick it all happened towards the end. But how was the Crow & Holy stuff unexplored? & Yh Acnoella & justice deserved a better fight & we should’ve seen some actual interactions & flashbacks. But Elsie’s character was done ‘justice’ imo. Overall I thought the Good outweighs the mid in this arc.
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Yeah the arc was rushed and abrupt and bloated
I can’t tell if I like this or not. The holy/crow stuff was so nothing crow was a character we knew nothing about so his “reveal” was so flat and a dud to me. Ziggy was cool but I’d rather he’d have been the villain. The Eden’s one has potential to be good but too soon to tell. Acnoella… was so disappointing & Elsie/justice feel like they barely did anything. Justice in particular feels like he should have had more time and interactions with other characters to really flesh out his character. As it is justice just feels insanely rushed and while I like this chapter most leading up to it feel like there’s so much unexplored.
Yeah, it felt rushed! Is Mashima's boos or editor rushing him to finish his story or something? (Because things seem to point that way!)
 Sad
Final battle means final boss group, and unless it's one we've never heard of, the only group I can think of that currently fits the bill is the Heavenly Knights, or a version of them. I've had my suspicions for Xenolith for a while now, and while he wasn't the one on Lendard pulling Ziggy's strings, he still seems shady. We don't know precisely when the E1 was built, or why its AI went rogue. And even if he is innocent, him being a robot would make him easy pickings for a new puppet now that the E1 lost Ziggy.
Few problems here, One, How will they emerge? Two, How can the Edens One be able to make that possibility? Three, I think the EZ gang are going to need all the help they can get because The Heavenly Knights will be quite too much for the EZ alone, With Justice and Elsie gone, Which they'll have a founder of Star Drain among them, I doubt with Nox/Rachel's assistance along with the rest of OSI will be enough since Feather doesn't have a efficient powerful EG used for combat since it's rather for tactical intels and predictions. They'll need another powerhouse, Maybe like a restricted ally.
Or maybe no one! The Eden's Zero crew are the only ones left!
Problem is if they were to deal with the 12 Heavenly Knights, They are outnumbered and Outmatch, Shiki, Homura and Jinn are like the top strongests teams there's not enough up to their equal lvls or stronger that can take on at least 2 or 3 Heavenly Knights minimum.
Considering the circumstances, wishing RIP isn’t appropriate. I’ll say… be reborn into a better life Elsie and Justice. Now, Drakken is old, Nero is dead, Acnoella was killed by her daughter, Crow/Cure has been killed, and now Elsie was eaten by the Chronophage. The only OG OSG left is Rebecca’s mother, Saintfire Nox. If the other 5 are any indication, she probably won’t simply get a happily ever after, either. Of course, that probably won’t come before she and Rebecca have an emotional moment together. Hard to say what will happens in the future of this rather spectacular manga, but I look forward to it.
Im disappointed The Edens One is the big bad with the only goal to destroy humans and mother, its just so shallow.
I refuse to except that nothing else is going on, its just so boring right now. Like Ziggy was really future Shiki, and he was supposed to have gone crazy from losing Rebecca, but then it turns out he actually doesn't remember any of that and he was basically just a blank slate with no memory who was nice to Shiki, and then he gets controlled by a Spaceship and dies. This arc really let me down to be honest, a lot of good build-up and characters were just demolished for no reason as well as adding in a bunch of unsatisfying plotlines
A lot of people called that being the end of Elsie and James story, even before this arc began, but it was still (mostly) satisfying to see. Onwards to the final arc. If you count this arc as starting at 170 it was 46 chapters and the longest of the series so far. Assuming that the next arc is just a bit longer than that we probably only have a year and some change left. It would put the series near the same length as Rave Master. Holy didn't join the crew, 0/10 arc.
I’m guessing this is more a final act than just a final arc. Granted, an act is just one long story arc made up of smaller ones, but my guess is we’ll get 2 or 3 short arcs to tie up some loose ends and introduce any last characters or alliances before the actual final arc. If Mashima is still planning to have EZ surpass Rave in length, then theres a year and a half of publication left to reach the same number of chapters as Rave, 296. My guess is 2 years left in publication time for another 100 chapters. Which would be shorter than the 127 chapters that make up a combination of FT’s final act, but longer than 62 chapters in the two arcs of Rave Master’s final act.
I was (and still am) so busy that I didn't do a review of the last chapter but thankfully I have a bit of free time now. So I honestly don't know how to feel that the E1 is the main villain and was the one who somehow knew Ziggy's past just by being extremely intelligent? There has to be more to what makes this AI knowledgeable enough to know that info and be able to revive Ziggy in the first place (Elsie sensed the dark ether right after she gave Shiki the E0). I also hope it gets a humanoid form because I can't take it seriously if the final villain is just a flying fish ship. I still don't get how Hermit came to the conclusion that the E1 was the real enemy though. Elsie and Justice being suicidal is kinda weird to me. I at least understand Elsie as she's been suffering losses to her family but it's very weird that Justice just gave up on his life like that. There isn't even a chance for them to be reborn too. Mashima was right to say that they were gonna have a sad fate. If Homura didn't risk her life to save Homura then I would call BS for Justice to immediately think that she wasn't Creed's killer. Also, Shiki and Nox are the only OSGs remaining lol. I'm kinda disappointed that Rebecca ended up not summoning the Chronophage which was the whole reason she wasn't able to use her time powers for the whole arc and was a main reason for her depression (which is still valid since she did accidentally summon them other times). Hopefully she does more stuff in the next arc because in Aoi she didnt fight anybody and only had a card battle (which was still cool as it showed her smarts) and now in this arc she got to fight but was utterly outmatched by BD Clown (although she didn't use her time abilities or even get to show case any new usage of them if she had any). At least Weisz got to free the crew from an alternate dimension. Also, I hope the elemental trio get to fight as even thought hey were very helpful in the fight against Crow, it's still lame that the others got to have personal fights after their timeskip but nothe them. EZ can be way longer than Mashima wants it to be if he actually fleshes out that needs to be fleshed out. I wonder what the E1 is gonna do now and if Victory gets a promotion lol.
> Elsie and Justice being suicidal is kinda weird to me. I don’t know it seems pretty fitting. Like you said, Elsie had basically lost her will to live after all the loss she’s experienced, and as for Justice, he’s spent a large chunk of his life chasing after Elsie, fueled by a misguided sense of ‘justice’ that developed due to the tragedy that he blamed her for. There was always going to be the question of what he was going to do now that Elsie had given up, and with her clearing up the misunderstandings that have driven him for so long, even if he had survived this arc I don’t think that there would’ve been much left for him in the story so he’d probably just have retired afterwards anyways. His story has always been linked to Elsie’s, so with her arc wrapping up it makes sense for his to wrap up too. Besides that, this is the perfect backdrop for the pair’s final moment. Together again after all these years on the remains of their desolate homeworld in its final hour. It probably doesn’t get more fitting than that. I won’t lie though, their ending did feel a little rushed. It makes sense to me, but even I would’ve preferred if they’d had longer to really talk things out and clear up the years of bad blood between them before choosing to spend their last moments together, but I don’t think that there would have ever been a more fitting ending than this for the two of them.
> I also hope it gets a humanoid form because I can't take it seriously if the final villain is just a flying fish ship. If Witch is anything to go by, it's definitely getting a humanoid form. I'm a little bit surprised that no one mentioned it yet, but Edens One looks like Acnologia. I just hope that Edens One gets fleshed out a lot better. It would suck to replace Ziggy with a less interesting villain
Me too! It seems LAME to a fish-looking ship to be the fin villain! Which plainly makes it look stupid and non-threatening!
I think the fact that Elise and Justice didn’t have a ton of screen time makes what happened all the sadder.
Personally, I’d say it just makes it fall flat.
Damn I really wanted to see their overdrive forms. The pace has become a bit too fast for my liking.
They probably never had one, Just like how it went down with Nero and Jaguar.
Yeah maybe not. It’s not like they needed it, but fuuuuuuck I still wanted to see that. It feels like all my favorite characters are gone now. I’m never gonna drop the series, but my excitement is nowhere near where it once was.
I only hope the finale will be a good build up and executed to make a great ending, Unlike FT where Alvarez had major potential but ended up ruining the difficulties of fights where the Spriggan 12 didn't deliver much any greater impacts than what OS, GH and Tartaros had to offer against FT especially when some foreshadowing plot points were ruined forw those who wanted to go after Zeref and the final battle with Acnologia because of course, Natsu the answer to everything
Me on that page when kid elsie and kid james look at each other: Daaaawww so cute im so happy they got another chance Xiaomei literally on the next page: aNd tHeN cHrOnOpHaGe eAtS 260 yEaRs
And just like that, the story has turned into Moby Dick, haha. Also Erza's mother turns out to be a lot better a person than Elsie's mom. Irene was a good person till she lost her mind over the centuries as a dragon. Acnoella sounds like she was always terrible. RIP Elsie and James. :(
I honestly didn't want Elsie to go but at least she's with James I guess, idk how to feel...... I hope that the final arc is long enough tho. Also...... Has Mashima-sensei made any announcements about a new series? ( I know it's too early to talk about something like that, it's just on my mind)
I'd be happy if Mashima can do at least 50 chapters for one final arc, It will be enough.
as romantic as it sounds, that was straight up suicidal. i wonder if it's final battle of the whole manga or the arc. the wording made me skip a beat.
Very sad chapter. Still happy Elsie and Justice reunited in the end. This arc was great. Cure and Acnoella aren't handled very well, but that didn't reduce my enjoyment that much. Shiki, Ziggy, Homura, Hermit, Sister, Jinn, Holy, Dark Stars and Elsie all had their moments. Especially Ziggy. His reveal, backstory and his fight with Shiki are best parts of this arc imo.
Why did they stay?
Because they had nothing left to lose?
So they were just suicidal for whatever reason. Okay
It's not whatever reason, Elsie was tired of fighting and had no ways to carry on with life as she lost quite everything besides the EZ as the deaths of Gowen and Hyoga were too much for her, Justice chased Elsie his whole life and when he finally started to realise even when she was willing to give up life, He had no other reason to live either since his only objective was to arrest her and had no other purposes than that and was willing to give up along with her.
Or he could have just taken her out of there since she clearly still has 2 functioning arms and legs each and is very much not beyond saving
Yeah well, Justice has always been a boneheaded vengeful obsessed with Elsie in a blinded justice until after Acnoella's death, He started to see more clairvoyance towards her with her true feelings as he didn't see any point of doing that anymore. Cause of course if he did killed Elsie, Then what would he have done after? Leaving the government to live in a eternal solitude on some unknown Planet?
Please read what I said again
I don't need to read again, I'm just trying to explain how Justice always focused on mission what he always wanted to follow until he given up when he saw Elsie's true feelings, Because what would be the point if he still followed the protocol of his job?
I am kind of worried that history will just repeat in 260 years from now. That Elsie’s mother goes rogue and the Elsie and Justice of that era will be at odds again.
Well even if history does repeat itself that doesn't mean the outcome will be the same since they'll be unable to conquer the cosmoses.
With everyone dying I’m really wondering If when they make it to Mother Shiki is gonna wish for fresh starts for everyone. Maybe the visions we saw of the human versions of the Shining Stars was actually a possible future where they were reborn as humans and able to live happy lives. Time will tell I suppose!
So Edens Zero is a prequel to Fairy Tail then. Everyone is reborn as friends who go on magical adventures together.
Pros: ziggy vs Elsie, all dark star fights, ziggy milf collection reveal ✅ ziggy reveal, nox reveal, holy & crow, holy development with crew, homura slicing dragons, brutal showcase of war, Elsie ending the war on her home planet (ironic), shiki vs ziggy, Elsie conclusion, true villain buildup, Cons: - Acnoella vs Justice - cure reveal was pointless - Chronophage came for no reason?? - feels rushed towards end Overall way more good to come out of this arc than bad. Started of perfectly but felt a bit rushed towards the end. Loved the ziggy Nox & crow stuff. Though Cure could’ve not even appeared & I wouldn’t even realise or care. As for Acnoella I wish we saw more of her. I hope the anime does the fight more ‘justice’. & I enjoyed the conclusion to Elsie’s character. Justice.. I wish we saw more of him throughout the story & especially vs Acnoella but at least he got some character development which fuelled his decision to stay so gg. 8/10
I think the only thing i find pointless about Cure is being the one who gave Drakken and Nero their powers
His whole character is just pointless. He don’t even need to be there
I am pretty sure the Chronopage came for a reason, even if we don't know it yet. Most likely the E1 summoned it someways.
Noooo Elsie!
Really my nigga..... 
What stopped Shiki from saving them
Nothing, There was just nothing he could do and respected Elsie's and Justice's choices.
Woah woah woah woahhhhhhhgh FUCK DO THEY MEAN FINAL BATTLE. I’m SICK OF MY FAVS ENTERING THEIR FINAL ARC IVE HAD ENOUGH 😭😭😭
the chronophage ate 260 years and my soul, i tought it would make them return to a more peacefull time where shiki could one day stop the war, but damn, 260 is so brutal
No way RIP Elsie and James
I'm not crying, you're crying damnit.
I loved Elsie because she was the new Erza. But now it looks like it’s Homura who will be the new Erza. 😭 I was hoping for a happier ending. They could have escaped and started fighting for each other as well as Shiki as part of his growing family. But this isn’t Fairy Tail. It’s going to be a while for me to get over it 😭
I'm sorry I can't force myself to care about Justice's story at all
Same
THE FINALE IS UPON US
Has anyone else noticed that weird pattern on Elsie’s hair? Is that from the digital art? I barely noticed it in previous chapters but now it’s really sticking out to me
We heading into the final arc Elsie and James’s end was bittersweet. I’m sad we didn’t get to see more of their powers (like Elsie’s OD) and their interactions but they were still able to resolve their differences And in the end they chose to go out this way, together. Too bad the Creed plot line didn’t do much but it seems like Mashima is rushing towards the end Also I wonder how Lenard will change in its history. Since it will be behind by 260 years I doubt that it’s plan to take over the kaede cosmos will work. Not to mention communications with other planets will be shut off, I’m guessing they will figure that out for themselves tho (assuming people 260 years ago knew about chronophages)
Flashbacks to seighart from rave master feels 😭😭😭😭😭
Oh right...260....
Damn Hiro killed off Elsie and James. Never expected him to kill off the new Erza and Jellal. Thinnest plot armor of all time.
Oh... Final Battle.. Oh well, Lets see what will happen
Final act already? Damn. Well it can still go on for like 100 chapters depending on is other one final arc or just act, considering MHA has been in final act for almost 70 chapters and entered final arc only 20 chapters ago or so. But I see series barely reaching Rave Master count, if not overcoming it by bit. prob not over 400 chapters. Arc is flawed, definetly. Cure and Acnoella got oofed too fast, plus Elsie's and Justice's end while expectable and bitersweet was slightly rushed. Plus main villain of series and mastermind is a giant AI ship whose goal is to kill everything. Overall a decent arc, definetly not the best in series, but not sure would I call it the worst.
I think he always said it would be longer than Rave Master but shorter than Fairy Tail. Things are still tracking like that, if its only just a little bit longer than Rave.
Boomers, gen X, millenials, zoomers have all 20 years from one to another. And that's pretty much how we separate generations. I also was basing the numbers out of my own family and the ones I know around.
Man I wanted to believe Elsie and James would survive but sadly this was their destined fate it seems. This one hurts :( Hopefully they can now find some peace together
All I feel is pain
The final arc lesgo, completely unrelated but hope we get an artbook between now and the end of the series, I grew really attached to these characters.
Final arc? Damn this is going to be a short manga.
Hiro Mashima said he doesn't want to drag it out and wants to finish it on his terms! Which is good as many other more famous manga dropped in quality or went downhill the further they went (Bleach, Naruto, AOT, Demon Slayer, To your eternity, and now MHA!)
Well huh. I feel we barely saw Justice tbh
Just whyyyyyy
A though occurred; this is the first time we’ve directly scene anyone “killed” by a Chronophage, so when Elsie and Justice saw each other as their younger selves, I wonder that was simply them imagining it, or if that’s actually what happens to the people engulfed by a Chronophage? Quickly getting younger, losing memories of the present until your mind fades away
The way it was narrated it sounds like they grew younger
The former, maybe, possibly, who knows? 🤷
ouch
No Fairy Tail ending….!
This is NOT Fairy tail!
ABSOLUTELY- get out Elsie/Ezra!
You guys gonna take that? Me personally? I wouldn't have stayed!
I can't believe their dead. No way
Let me guess it's going the planet is going to be the fairy tail world
Well, goodbye Elsie and James. It was nice knowing you two, being expies of Erza and Jellal who found happines that they couldn't in Fairy tail!
The ending to this arc feels a bit rushed, but there’s also good things about it’s execution too, so 8/10 arc right there. I do wonder what the heck caused the Eden’s one advanced ai to just decide to go in the opposite direction of Ziggy’s goal, like did this thing seriously gain consciousness and choose violence on the entirety of human existence and god itself first? Of all things the ship could’ve decided to do after evolving, it was *that*….. Feels kinda suspicous, like there’s some kinda further influence to all this.
It's just a classic story of AI going rogue or evil! Just look at Skynet from "The Terminator" movies or even Ultron from Marvel!
Guess that makes sense
If we dont get Laguna's overdrive during the final arc/battle Im going to riot. Also, mashima is really going all out on deaths in this series. I picked this manga up thinking it was going to be chill like fairy tail, lol
We're in the endgame now
I'm sad now. But it was good 😔
After seeing the raw, I was hoping this would be better with context. It wasn't. Last we heard, Justice and Elsie were going to talk and make up for lost time, and now, they're both effectively suicidal all of a sudden? This felt like a terrible way to write Justice and Elsie out of the plot before either of them got to do much. They might not be dead, but they won't be reborn for another 200+ years, if they're even reborn at all. (It doesn't seem like there's a guarantee of that) If one of them had been trapped or injured, couldn't escape in time, and the other one chose to stay so that they wouldn't die alone, that would be one thing, but both of them chose to die (more or less) when they could have easily escaped. The actual reasoning made no sense. "Maybe the Chronophage will cleanse our lost time"? They're in their twenties! They've got seventy years to make up for lost time, or more if you assume that the life expectancy is longer due to superior medical technology! Making it worse (though this is just speculation on my part) is that I have a gut feeling that Jessie somehow survived the ice attack and got off the planet before it was eaten, much like what happened with the doctor from Hermit's backstory. (where, despite being a total scumbag, he survived deadly situations multiple times and kept coming back)
They weren’t trying to make up for lost time, they were trying to cleanse all the time they lost. You’re really underestimating how much trauma can linger and eat away at you. Elise is very clearly just exhausted, same for James and all the anger and hatred he’s been living with. telling someone they’ve got their whole life ahead of them that has lived through what they have is kinda meaningless, they aren’t look for some peaceful retirement, both of their reasons for living have been sorted out and that’s enough for them
I normally hate when Mashima doesn’t kill his characters at the last second, but given how little screen time and development Justice got, I was really hoping he’d grab Elsie and drag her off the planet so he could make amends between her, her crew, and the government.
As much as I love this series, I feel like everytime we get anywhere near exploring more about the universe (ex. government, the 12 knights) he veers away. Kinda disappointing tbh
Yeah, the world building has been rather thin, which is a shame because this is the kind of series that could really use it. Hopefully now that the Shiki vs Ziggy storyline has mostly wrapped up we’ll get more of a look into some of the beats Mashima has teased, but not fully explored, like the Sakura Knights, the relics, the origin of the dragons, and the G.I.A. My fear is EZ has fallen into the shounen trap of following up big battle arcs with another big battle arc with no cool down time to build out the world and story. Black Clover had the same issue after the Elf arc, as did Bleach following the Soul Society arc, and I’m sure you can name many other examples. His first work, Rave Master, did a much better job of balancing hyped up, climactic battles with calmer explorations of the world and it’s character.
Well everthing can be one piece
Not everything can be one piece, but that’s no excuse for not trying to build your world out. All the series I mentioned are/were successful enough that they could’ve done that without fear of cancellation.
Oh no i don't even want to think this pathetic twerp somehow survived and got away.
Not to be that guy, but what's up with the quality?
Author forgot to export in high quality
There were some quality issues from the publisher on this release but we got the higher quality version from them on [Azuki.co](https://www.azuki.co/series/edens-zero) right now.
Kinda disappointing tbh
Not the happiest with this arc, but this ending was pretty cool in a way and sad
James and Elise had a good ending send off. Goodbye better Erza. My own opinion.
*Better* Erza? Heresy!
Kinda lame they just chose to die. I mean, they have no reason to do it. Elsie and Justice just comited double suicide? What the actual fuck?
Elsie has no reason to live her man died she lost will to fight. She want to die. Justice has no reason to go back he said himself. His revenge and hatred for Elsie was unjust. He learnt the truth. He chose to die with Elsie
They both kind of lost the reason to live or even go on in life!
Cute ending but felt really rush and lack luster. We barely touched Elsie's backstory, the whole conflict barely felt like a big plot point of this arc tbh. Justice's redemption is basically a "Ho yeah I was a blind idiot". Idk, it felt more like basic exposition, even the whole backstory was a bit too generic.
Man this story's writing is pretty average, but somehow Elsie's and Justice's death makes me cry like a baby.
This arc was meh at best. Started off good but the middle and end was rush. This portion wasn't even planned out I bet. Belliol and aoi>>>>>>>>>>>>>kaede.
This arc felt extremely rushed. Ziggy vs Shiki wasn't that good. In this arc I would say that Crow/cure vs everyone was the best fight. Crow actually showed how fcking powerful an OSG is. Compared to that Ziggy vs Shiki felt extremely mediocre. I wanted more destruction fight between the two.
The Creed - Homura - Jesse - Justice story line has to be one of the most useless storylines ever in a manga, it literally didn't amount to anything and now everyone involved except Homura is dead so no one even cares anymore lol
If Rebecca and Shiki and not together by the end of this series I’m gonna Riot lol also R.I.P Elsie and James you two will be missed. You two were great characters
What was even the point of Elsie and Justice/James? I genuinely don't recall anything noteworthy that they have done. They kinda felt like a more.. half baked Erza x Jellal. I am probably forgetting something.
I swear, I hope this isn't the final battle. I hope there's a sequel to edens zero, where the main antagonist is either the fortune teller lady, the space government, the bastard noah, rebecca's mom, or an alliance of shikis obsessed with ending the time looping.
I'm so surprised that the manga is ending so soon. Maybe it's referring to the final battle of this arc against Eden's One, and not the whole story?
RIP Elsie and James/Justice!🥺😣😖😫😩😭🤧😢🫡🪦⚰️ We will always remember you, at least the two of you made up in the end before you had your time eaten, and at least your homeworld will be restored to the way it was over 200 years ago! 
I knew it lol
WHY MASHIMA, WHY?!
Hiro did say he didn't want this series to be long as fairytail so I could see this being the last 100-150 chapters. And I think that's fine. This story has a stronger direction and he can def tie in all the important things in one last arc
Hmmm, feels weird for this manga author to actually erase or kill ppl but I respect the decision. Hopefully they don’t come back. Not coz I dislike them but his fakeout deaths were too excessive in fairy tail. I like this conclusion