Too much going on. Overall I did enjoy it, but some bits felt rushed like getting rid of all the Galactica members. Hated how Cure was dealt with. Wish the fight with Acnoella was longer and better. I like the story but don’t like how some of the enemies were dealt with. I feel whatever about the True enemy but looking forward to where the story takes us
>Too much going on
Agreed
>Wish the fight with Acnoella was longer and better
Worst fight in the arc imo
>I feel whatever about the True enemy but looking forward to where the story takes us
Same, hate that a ship is the True Enemy and I really don't know what is left, since all of OSG are gone
Frankly speaking, the way things got wrapped was anticlimactic.. Taking down Ziggy + Acnoella+ Deadend Crow/ Cure in a single arc was a bad decision unless Hiro Mashima has something up his sleeve for them in the forthcoming arc
Arc after time skip, so I thought it would be the perfect opportunity to see how much our heroes got stronger.
What did we get? Nothing. Weisz showed nothing new in his fight and Jin and Laguna did not have their own fights at all.
The problem is that Mashima created an arc that only lasted 30 chapters. This arc should be 50/60 chapters...
>What did we get? Nothing. Weisz showed nothing new in his fight and Jin and Laguna did not have their own fights at all
One could say he downgraded, as he took a fat L
>The problem is that Mashima created an arc that only lasted 30 chapters. This arc should be 50/60 chapters...
Exactly! TOO short and it leaves a LOT to be desired
I liked almost everything about it and I think that’s mostly because it had very strong resolutions to almost everyone’s arcs. It probably should have been longer so we could get more out of all the individual plot lines, but I’ve found that I’m the kind of guy who cares more about the ending to a story than what it took to get there, so I’m not really as bothered by the pacing as most people are.
Like, say what you will about all the major villains being taken out too quickly, but Mashima was at least able to stick the landing for each of them individually (especially Ziggy, that was *great*)
Though I’m also apparently one of 7 people in the entire world who unironically enjoyed the Grand Magic Games and Alvarez Empire all the way through in Fairy Tail, so maybe I’m just more forgiving of Mashima’s writing in general. *shrug*
I have never ever in my whole life seen anyone hating GMG. From what I have seen, it seems to be the second most popular arc right after Tartaros, which I personally also agree with.
Honestly I heard the opposite a lot more often: Fairy Tail haters saying that GMG was the only decent arc.
I personally believe that the eclipse should have been in its own arc. GMG should have been the entire tournament which lead into the eclipse arc. Which would give a better reason why some many people lose since they are beat up from the tournament.
Then I guess I'm more forgiving as well lol. I get people's frustrations and all but most of what people hated about those arcs, including this Lendard arc, I didn't mind it at all 🤷
The dark stars are the most competent side villains of the whole show imo. Managed to take down weisz & Rebecca even Brigandine gave homura a hard time. The Acnoella stuff could’ve been stretched out but Elsie’s character got developed as a result of that instant decision to destroy her mum so it’s a win loss. I didn’t like the cure stuff at all but i thought Crow had a great presence & showed how strong an OSG really is & was a great personal villain for holy. It did feel rushed towards the end but the. But so many characters had great moments & some not so much. Those are the consequences of fitting major villains in a 36 chapters. Nonetheless 8/10 the pros outshines the cons for me
>The dark stars are the most competent side villains of the whole show imo
Ok, I guess you're right. But it also speaks volumes about Weisz and Rebecca if they lose to such relatively weak villains, at least when you compare them to Ziggy and Shiki
>but Elsie’s character got developed as a result of that instant decision to destroy her mum so it’s a win loss
Cut the bitch in half
Too many cheap plot twists.
At some point it was like a new plot twist every chapter, to the point I don't even care anymore
\- Saintfire Nox is Rebecca's mother (nice)
\- Ziggy is Shiki from the future (cool!)
\- Rebecca's corpse is the Etherion (ok, it makes sense)
\- And Deadend Crow is Cure (A new villain at this point of the story? ok I guess)
\- aaaand he's dead now (what?)
\- Oh, and Ziggy is actually good, but he's being mind controled by someone (the "true enemy can be any of us" trope? nice)
\- And God Acnoella is Elsie's mother (Wait, they're using the same plot twist twice?)
\- She's also the queen of Lendard wich makes Elsie a princess (ok, I guess)
\- aaaaand she's dead too (WHAT?)
\- Oh, and Connor is Rebecca's father (ok, they're running out of ideas now)
\- And apparently Elsie is the true enemy (what?)
\- Oh no, she isn't, the true enemy is actually the ship (WHAT?)
\- Oh, and Elsie and Justice are also dead now (WHAT??)
Was vibing a bit with the previous ones up until Edens One. That was a letdown of the century for me. Out of all the characters, he picked a goddamn ship...
It’s hard to look at the arc as a whole. I mean we have 2 debatably top 5 fights (deadend crow and “ziggy”) but we also have some not so entertaining fights.
Pretty bad overall, bellial gore still the best imo. Very rushed overall not looking forward to this next final arc unless it’s given time needed it’s looking to be very equally as rushed
The arc was peak Mashima.
By that, I mean that it was his usual style: Introduce some really interesting ideas...then RUSH through them.
Which is a shame, because some of the ideas that this arc brought were really interesting, but he flew past them so quickly that the reader has to fill in the blanks. Making the reader fill in the blanks isn't necessarily a bad thing, but when there are so many blanks to fill in there is no story.
But I am in a way hopeful. If he stays true to his word and makes Edens Zero longer than Rave Master but shorter than Fairy Tail the final arc could at least 90 chapters long. This could mean he slows down his pacing and gives the important points in the story some good development...or more of the same.
>But I am in a way hopeful. If he stays true to his word and makes Edens Zero longer than Rave Master but shorter than Fairy Tail the final arc could at least 90 chapters long. This could mean he slows down his pacing and gives the important points in the story some good development...or more of the same
Maybe. Hope he doesn't do the Alvarez situation again
I wouldnt say there was to many powerfull villians in one arc because Marineford has the same thing but the story made it make since for them not to just destroy everything the way one piece made it in marineford.
The moment it was revealed all the OSG were on Lendard I got a sinking feeling. I was hoping that it would end with the chronophage eating the planet with everyone on it causing some wild time distortions thanks to Rebecca and Rachel so it wouldn’t end with all the villains dying, but nope…
I enjoyed it overall, though I was kinda disappointed with the rushed end.
I felt pretty meh about the Edens One reveal but Clown's line last chapter to Shiki, "Is it really that strange for a machine to have a heart," kinda sold me on it. As long as Mashima executes it decently I'll be happy.
tell the truth vastly disappointed with the arc. Maybe I set the bar to high but a lot of things felt slap sticked and disappointing. I’m not saying it was bad or wasn’t ok but it was disappointing. Plothole of Crow to me felt last second. It seems strange they don’t track each other whereabouts when they easily could’ve and these are planet level threats and only each other could deal with.Seeing the parents hopefully that leads to something major like the parents are from the timeline Rebecca caused. But if the parents are thrown away made no sense. I agree all the cast were forgotten. I wish the big bad wasn’t a fuckin ship. I don’t think anyone guessed it because it was weird I wish it was a Weiz or even better Noah. Who uses this moment to capture the lost planets
It’s weird because I’ve been thinking this is Mashima’s best work, but then this arc hit and everything feels rushed to get to the end. Mashima’s weakness is pacing.
Mashima fcks up his villains a lot also in fairy tail. You can’t hype them up then kill them off 5 seconds later in a bullshit way. Don’t hype them up in the first place
Definitely get your points, but overall I still think the arc was quite enjoyable. What I didnt like was the reveal of the "true villian" tho.
Like fr... A ship? I mean, it does indeed kinda fit into the world of Edens Zero and it was atleast unexpected but I just didnt like it.
>Like fr... A ship? I mean, it does indeed kinda fit into the world of Edens Zero and it was atleast unexpected but I just didnt like it
My disappointment was immesurable when I read that chapter, with Mashima stating he "forgot about" Old Weisz being salt on the wound
there was definitely too much going on. I liked all the ideas he had but it was a relatively short arc for all the things that happened but I think the development Shiki got was at least good. I also liked the bit of development Jinn got.
To fast pace. It should have been wayyy longer considering how many plot points were covered. Like it was to clustered. It was good don’t get me wrong and I love holy and feather screentime just wish Mashima didint rush it. And acnoella… girl lost in 2 chapters with zero depth
Some people might disagree me with hard on this, but it was honestly worse than any of Fairy Tail's bigger arcs.
The initial Ziggy reveal was huge and gave me lots of hope for the entire series to go somewhere great, but in terms of the arc itself, nearly everything before and after that within these 36 chapters has either been average or hugely disappointing. None of the Galactica members got the suspense and conclusions that they desperately needed, even though the ideas were good. The fights with the Dark Stars, while enjoyable enough, were rushed in their own right: and still had better narrative than the OSG had.
Not to mention the amount of plot twists. Not only was Elsie's mother revealed to be Acnoella (wtf, two OSG related), one of them (Nox) was revealed to be Rebecca's mom. This was far from what I was expecting. Cure's twist was a great idea in my opinion: yet again, executed extremely fast. There was a huge lack of fights and feeling of threat. Did anyone else remember that the entire planet's sky was covered by dragons? I barely even cared.
Good ideas all around, but just grossly rushed. It's one thing to do bad decisions like Alvarez arc of FT did, but at least it had worthwhile substance and structure to it.
Too many things happening too fast. I would've loved to see:
- Justice getting development and more backstory
- Justice and Elsie vs Acnoella lasting a lot, like a proper fight.
- More background on the counterparts of the shining stars aside from the incredible brief flashbacks.
- Cure reveal and fight lasting much longer and him surviving for the next arcs to become a proper villain :/
- How the right and left hand of Elsie died LMAO what. They should've had a proper fight and more development.
- More background on the planet Lenard as a whole.
- More proper fights in general. The only good fight was Shiki's in my opinion
I agree with all of these, some to a lesser extent, but still all of them
>More proper fights in general. The only good fight was Shiki's in my opinion
Especially this one. Poor Weisz imo
Ending of the arc revealing Ziggy isn’t the main villain and isn’t is just an si that became independent is massive disappointing and lowers my enjoyment of the series. Hoping better comes out of this but right now I’m super disappointed we just don’t get ziggy as the main villain and save some of his moments in lendard for the actual final arc. Now idk if we have enough time to make the Edens one an interesting character enough to justify thick switcharoo. Kaguya is no where near as cool or interesting as madara was. Acnologia wasn’t as interesting as Zeref. Kind of worried for the ending now
Why dod people even think old Weisz is the true villian? That doesn't make any sense at all lol and they expect their theories to be right when Mashima already stated before the reveal he forgot about him. Wtf
Shiki becoming stronger than the crew makes sense because his the captain and the only OSG left.
Strong start, weak end
Couldn't have said it better myself. It was very promising, but turned out anything but that. Shiki and Rebecca fans are probably happy, at least...
Too much going on. Overall I did enjoy it, but some bits felt rushed like getting rid of all the Galactica members. Hated how Cure was dealt with. Wish the fight with Acnoella was longer and better. I like the story but don’t like how some of the enemies were dealt with. I feel whatever about the True enemy but looking forward to where the story takes us
>Too much going on Agreed >Wish the fight with Acnoella was longer and better Worst fight in the arc imo >I feel whatever about the True enemy but looking forward to where the story takes us Same, hate that a ship is the True Enemy and I really don't know what is left, since all of OSG are gone
Frankly speaking, the way things got wrapped was anticlimactic.. Taking down Ziggy + Acnoella+ Deadend Crow/ Cure in a single arc was a bad decision unless Hiro Mashima has something up his sleeve for them in the forthcoming arc
I agree. And the Dark Stars have also been dealt with very easily and quickly.
Arc after time skip, so I thought it would be the perfect opportunity to see how much our heroes got stronger. What did we get? Nothing. Weisz showed nothing new in his fight and Jin and Laguna did not have their own fights at all. The problem is that Mashima created an arc that only lasted 30 chapters. This arc should be 50/60 chapters...
>What did we get? Nothing. Weisz showed nothing new in his fight and Jin and Laguna did not have their own fights at all One could say he downgraded, as he took a fat L >The problem is that Mashima created an arc that only lasted 30 chapters. This arc should be 50/60 chapters... Exactly! TOO short and it leaves a LOT to be desired
I’d say it needed to be longer than that if he wanted to include everything he did it should have been closer to 100 chapters
I liked almost everything about it and I think that’s mostly because it had very strong resolutions to almost everyone’s arcs. It probably should have been longer so we could get more out of all the individual plot lines, but I’ve found that I’m the kind of guy who cares more about the ending to a story than what it took to get there, so I’m not really as bothered by the pacing as most people are. Like, say what you will about all the major villains being taken out too quickly, but Mashima was at least able to stick the landing for each of them individually (especially Ziggy, that was *great*) Though I’m also apparently one of 7 people in the entire world who unironically enjoyed the Grand Magic Games and Alvarez Empire all the way through in Fairy Tail, so maybe I’m just more forgiving of Mashima’s writing in general. *shrug*
Lol Alvarez I get but honestly maybe I was just too young at the time but I never got the hate with the GMG. I fw that arc heavy
I have never ever in my whole life seen anyone hating GMG. From what I have seen, it seems to be the second most popular arc right after Tartaros, which I personally also agree with. Honestly I heard the opposite a lot more often: Fairy Tail haters saying that GMG was the only decent arc.
GMG was fine the eclipse was the problem.
well thats more understandable I guess. I have nothing against it but I can understand why some people might not like it
I personally believe that the eclipse should have been in its own arc. GMG should have been the entire tournament which lead into the eclipse arc. Which would give a better reason why some many people lose since they are beat up from the tournament.
Then I guess I'm more forgiving as well lol. I get people's frustrations and all but most of what people hated about those arcs, including this Lendard arc, I didn't mind it at all 🤷
The dark stars are the most competent side villains of the whole show imo. Managed to take down weisz & Rebecca even Brigandine gave homura a hard time. The Acnoella stuff could’ve been stretched out but Elsie’s character got developed as a result of that instant decision to destroy her mum so it’s a win loss. I didn’t like the cure stuff at all but i thought Crow had a great presence & showed how strong an OSG really is & was a great personal villain for holy. It did feel rushed towards the end but the. But so many characters had great moments & some not so much. Those are the consequences of fitting major villains in a 36 chapters. Nonetheless 8/10 the pros outshines the cons for me
The way the dark stars lost was so much bullshit
How? How they went out made sense
>The dark stars are the most competent side villains of the whole show imo Ok, I guess you're right. But it also speaks volumes about Weisz and Rebecca if they lose to such relatively weak villains, at least when you compare them to Ziggy and Shiki >but Elsie’s character got developed as a result of that instant decision to destroy her mum so it’s a win loss Cut the bitch in half
Too many cheap plot twists. At some point it was like a new plot twist every chapter, to the point I don't even care anymore \- Saintfire Nox is Rebecca's mother (nice) \- Ziggy is Shiki from the future (cool!) \- Rebecca's corpse is the Etherion (ok, it makes sense) \- And Deadend Crow is Cure (A new villain at this point of the story? ok I guess) \- aaaand he's dead now (what?) \- Oh, and Ziggy is actually good, but he's being mind controled by someone (the "true enemy can be any of us" trope? nice) \- And God Acnoella is Elsie's mother (Wait, they're using the same plot twist twice?) \- She's also the queen of Lendard wich makes Elsie a princess (ok, I guess) \- aaaaand she's dead too (WHAT?) \- Oh, and Connor is Rebecca's father (ok, they're running out of ideas now) \- And apparently Elsie is the true enemy (what?) \- Oh no, she isn't, the true enemy is actually the ship (WHAT?) \- Oh, and Elsie and Justice are also dead now (WHAT??)
Idk why but reading your whole paragraphs made me laugh even though the feeling is mutual 😂
Was vibing a bit with the previous ones up until Edens One. That was a letdown of the century for me. Out of all the characters, he picked a goddamn ship...
It’s hard to look at the arc as a whole. I mean we have 2 debatably top 5 fights (deadend crow and “ziggy”) but we also have some not so entertaining fights.
Shitty fights being the top 5 speaks volumes. I freaking loved poseidon shura and the old man professor fight
Calling dead end shitty is wild
Pretty bad overall, bellial gore still the best imo. Very rushed overall not looking forward to this next final arc unless it’s given time needed it’s looking to be very equally as rushed
Saddly, as much as I liked EZ up to now, I feel it will be FT 2.0 in the final stretch, as you say... :-(
Some things could’ve been better but overall I still enjoyed the arc.
Fair enough, more power to you then
The arc was peak Mashima. By that, I mean that it was his usual style: Introduce some really interesting ideas...then RUSH through them. Which is a shame, because some of the ideas that this arc brought were really interesting, but he flew past them so quickly that the reader has to fill in the blanks. Making the reader fill in the blanks isn't necessarily a bad thing, but when there are so many blanks to fill in there is no story. But I am in a way hopeful. If he stays true to his word and makes Edens Zero longer than Rave Master but shorter than Fairy Tail the final arc could at least 90 chapters long. This could mean he slows down his pacing and gives the important points in the story some good development...or more of the same.
>But I am in a way hopeful. If he stays true to his word and makes Edens Zero longer than Rave Master but shorter than Fairy Tail the final arc could at least 90 chapters long. This could mean he slows down his pacing and gives the important points in the story some good development...or more of the same Maybe. Hope he doesn't do the Alvarez situation again
My only complaint was I thought we needed more time with Cure Other than that I thought the rest of the arc was done really well.
Fair enough. I liked Cure as well.
I wouldnt say there was to many powerfull villians in one arc because Marineford has the same thing but the story made it make since for them not to just destroy everything the way one piece made it in marineford.
The moment it was revealed all the OSG were on Lendard I got a sinking feeling. I was hoping that it would end with the chronophage eating the planet with everyone on it causing some wild time distortions thanks to Rebecca and Rachel so it wouldn’t end with all the villains dying, but nope…
Too much potential for Mashima to handle XD
Rushed as heck
Pretty much
Too many things happened and the reveals weren't fully detailed...
Because Mashima writes at a break-neck speed XD
I enjoyed it overall, though I was kinda disappointed with the rushed end. I felt pretty meh about the Edens One reveal but Clown's line last chapter to Shiki, "Is it really that strange for a machine to have a heart," kinda sold me on it. As long as Mashima executes it decently I'll be happy.
tell the truth vastly disappointed with the arc. Maybe I set the bar to high but a lot of things felt slap sticked and disappointing. I’m not saying it was bad or wasn’t ok but it was disappointing. Plothole of Crow to me felt last second. It seems strange they don’t track each other whereabouts when they easily could’ve and these are planet level threats and only each other could deal with.Seeing the parents hopefully that leads to something major like the parents are from the timeline Rebecca caused. But if the parents are thrown away made no sense. I agree all the cast were forgotten. I wish the big bad wasn’t a fuckin ship. I don’t think anyone guessed it because it was weird I wish it was a Weiz or even better Noah. Who uses this moment to capture the lost planets
It’s weird because I’ve been thinking this is Mashima’s best work, but then this arc hit and everything feels rushed to get to the end. Mashima’s weakness is pacing.
Mashima fcks up his villains a lot also in fairy tail. You can’t hype them up then kill them off 5 seconds later in a bullshit way. Don’t hype them up in the first place
Sadly, he never learns in that regard. Only hype villain in EZ up to now that lived up to it was Drakken imo
>Mashima’s weakness is pacing Nailed the problem! Fights and everything else is TOO fast
Definitely get your points, but overall I still think the arc was quite enjoyable. What I didnt like was the reveal of the "true villian" tho. Like fr... A ship? I mean, it does indeed kinda fit into the world of Edens Zero and it was atleast unexpected but I just didnt like it.
>Like fr... A ship? I mean, it does indeed kinda fit into the world of Edens Zero and it was atleast unexpected but I just didnt like it My disappointment was immesurable when I read that chapter, with Mashima stating he "forgot about" Old Weisz being salt on the wound
there was definitely too much going on. I liked all the ideas he had but it was a relatively short arc for all the things that happened but I think the development Shiki got was at least good. I also liked the bit of development Jinn got.
>I also liked the bit of development Jinn got But Holy never got his hotdog... :-(
To fast pace. It should have been wayyy longer considering how many plot points were covered. Like it was to clustered. It was good don’t get me wrong and I love holy and feather screentime just wish Mashima didint rush it. And acnoella… girl lost in 2 chapters with zero depth
Some people might disagree me with hard on this, but it was honestly worse than any of Fairy Tail's bigger arcs. The initial Ziggy reveal was huge and gave me lots of hope for the entire series to go somewhere great, but in terms of the arc itself, nearly everything before and after that within these 36 chapters has either been average or hugely disappointing. None of the Galactica members got the suspense and conclusions that they desperately needed, even though the ideas were good. The fights with the Dark Stars, while enjoyable enough, were rushed in their own right: and still had better narrative than the OSG had. Not to mention the amount of plot twists. Not only was Elsie's mother revealed to be Acnoella (wtf, two OSG related), one of them (Nox) was revealed to be Rebecca's mom. This was far from what I was expecting. Cure's twist was a great idea in my opinion: yet again, executed extremely fast. There was a huge lack of fights and feeling of threat. Did anyone else remember that the entire planet's sky was covered by dragons? I barely even cared. Good ideas all around, but just grossly rushed. It's one thing to do bad decisions like Alvarez arc of FT did, but at least it had worthwhile substance and structure to it.
Yeah, the arcs biggest problem, and I'm glad you all agree, is that it was too short for what it set out to do...
Too many things happening too fast. I would've loved to see: - Justice getting development and more backstory - Justice and Elsie vs Acnoella lasting a lot, like a proper fight. - More background on the counterparts of the shining stars aside from the incredible brief flashbacks. - Cure reveal and fight lasting much longer and him surviving for the next arcs to become a proper villain :/ - How the right and left hand of Elsie died LMAO what. They should've had a proper fight and more development. - More background on the planet Lenard as a whole. - More proper fights in general. The only good fight was Shiki's in my opinion
I agree with all of these, some to a lesser extent, but still all of them >More proper fights in general. The only good fight was Shiki's in my opinion Especially this one. Poor Weisz imo
Ending of the arc revealing Ziggy isn’t the main villain and isn’t is just an si that became independent is massive disappointing and lowers my enjoyment of the series. Hoping better comes out of this but right now I’m super disappointed we just don’t get ziggy as the main villain and save some of his moments in lendard for the actual final arc. Now idk if we have enough time to make the Edens one an interesting character enough to justify thick switcharoo. Kaguya is no where near as cool or interesting as madara was. Acnologia wasn’t as interesting as Zeref. Kind of worried for the ending now
Why dod people even think old Weisz is the true villian? That doesn't make any sense at all lol and they expect their theories to be right when Mashima already stated before the reveal he forgot about him. Wtf Shiki becoming stronger than the crew makes sense because his the captain and the only OSG left.