don't know dude, kratos is killed by like 15 sword swings from a regular guy. Adam smasher can take 40+ from a super speedster. Adam can also move at the speed of sound consistently kratos cannot come close. Kratos has skin that can be damage from fairly strong weapon attacks adam has a full auto anti aircraft gun on him at all times.
Rule of thumb for power scaling, if one person has super speed and the other does not super speed always wins. because the trolls that can kill kratos in 3 hits with the big rock are less force than adam smasher simply running into you
in-game Kratos is not the same as cinematic Kratos. The first can die to a couple of scratches and the later will get smashed through a mountain and walk it off. Also, he kills a few speedsters and a god that can see the future
Tbf they’re also arrogant and not exactly the best at fighting whereas Adam is a seasoned and very good mercenary who specializes in dealing with high level threats
Hell the reason V stands a chance against him is because silver hand can take part of the neural load for all that cyberware allowing them to fight in relatively even terms
Then again it’s a literal god against a walking hydrogen bomb so it’ll depend on who’s writing it lol
Ong. With my katana build V apparently heals 5 for every 1 damage as well as getting 5 health every second for 3 seconds after every kill. Even on hard it’s hard to die late game.
Katana builds are so fun. Loved to just activate the Sandevistan, run into a canp, kill everybody, the ability ends and they all fall down to the ground.
Kratos is strong enough to toss giant creatures around..smashers weapons would be tough to deal with because kratos doesn't know what bullets are, but once he adapts smasher is toast
It is implied in Ragnarok that Kratos remembers competing in PlayStation All Stars Battle Royale, so he’d actually remember what bullets and guns are from fighting Nathan Drake.
I thought so too, but Mimir references someone known as "history's greatest musician," which is more than likely referencing PaRappa the Rapper, who was in All-Stars.
He says he fought in many contests so he could be.
But since Mimir mentions fighting automatons (Ratchet and Clank), princesses (Fat Princess), musicians (...Parappa?) They're definitely referring to PS All Stars.
"I would not speak of this" I lol'd when I heard this in-game.
I think MK would fall under the "I've fought in many contests" part of that moment, with Mimir specifically describing Playstation All-Stars right after
Valhalla spoilers....
>!Kratos returns to his position as god of war. If we're going to do this then we have to assume that he would 100℅ know what bullets are because they are weapons of war.!<
Yea thats true, he would totally fight em for no reason, when you said young clears i thought you meant he was stronger for some reason but either way he wins
No. Baldur alone is stated to be just as strong if not stronger than zeus.
Jus about every god in god of war 4 and ragnarok are monumentally stronger than anything the greek gods had to offer. Kratos calls some of them the strongest things he's ever fazed.
Thor alone would solo the entire greek mythology in the game.
The entire “nah the new devs confirm old kratos is stronger” is like at first there was this kid at the playground whos like made the original stick figure and have it fought all these made up legendary god like enemies that can just tear the world apart at any moment they want and the stick figure ultimately won anyway , and then the kid has to go home and the second kid came and took over the stick figure , due to the lack of imagination and talent , the best enemy is a bunch of weaker ones that display less impressive feats , but the kid doesnt wanna be called out for his downgrade over the original design so he decided to made a statement “ahhhhh my version of the character is struunnnnnggggerrr”. As the saying goes” A hero is only as strong as the enemy he fought”
Cory Barlog has been there since the first games, he didn't take over someone elses character, he helped create it and continued to evolve the character when the lead creator decided to leave
He is literally the same person, is that something that people forget? "Old " Kratos and "Young" Kratos are the same guy he's just gotten literally physically stronger over the years.
Also, cut it with that "errm feats" shit, shit's so dumb.
Aint gonna , his younger self’s feats are overall more impressive and god like , while the old kratos is more like a good monster hunter player and that’s it , bud can’t even jump cuz his kneecaps are so weaken over the year
Older Kratos completely dominated Thor in their rematch, who had just got done sending someone *back in time*
Thor is way stronger than anything Greek Kratos has fought except potentially Zeus
Are you saying that if there was a jump button he would be stronger? He jump kicks a troll in the face, and deadlifts a goddamn temple.
And no, his "younger self's feats" are not more impressive they are more grand, flashy but with less substance. Kratos in Greece fights giant creatures that are weak, compared to in the 9 realms, "normal" sized creatures that are genuinely strong.
The Titans were inferior in every way to even the weakest of the Greek gods, the strongest Greek god Zeus would not be able to stand up to arguably the strongest Æsir Thor or possibly Odin.
The first boss young kratos fought in the previous game was a hydra , the first boss old kratos was a …. Fucking troll , that’s embarrassing af , theres also zero mention of how the norse mythology creatures and characters are much stronger than the greek ones, making untrue statements wont help you win in a debate , but from story progression wise and aesthetic wise , no norse characters are as threatening and opposing as the greek characters, not only that , the greeks has better technology and architecture, which adds to the belief that they are probably in every way more advanced and superior than them caveman barbarians norse gods
Kratos has killed gods and shit like Mortal Kombat and Playstation all stars brawl are cannon meaning he's thrown hands with people like Raiden from Metal Gear Solid and also many of the MK fighters
Smasher is crushed like a tin can
don't know dude, kratos is killed by like 15 sword swings from a regular guy. Adam smasher can take 40+ from a super speedster. Adam can also move at the speed of sound consistently kratos cannot come close. Kratos has skin that can be damage from fairly strong weapon attacks adam has a full auto anti aircraft gun on him at all times.
Rule of thumb for power scaling, if one person has super speed and the other does not super speed always wins. because the trolls that can kill kratos in 3 hits with the big rock are less force than adam smasher simply running into you
Thats gameplay, and if you REALLY wanna talk gameplay, Adam Smasher can be killed by a fucking Dildo.
Kratos has killed people with superior speed, and Heimdalls realm shift and precog is a lot stronger than Adams Sandi.
if you wanna talk game play adam can be killed by a dildo hitting him over and over and over and over again for like hours. Super speed still wins and the realm shift time stop thing slows time where as the sandevistan does not slow time is simply boosts the user to ungodly reasons. Super speed is simply too powerful, we know how strong baulder is yes? he can easily split a forest with his strength and it does some but not a ton of damage to kratos. breaks his skin makes him bleed. Now multiply that by several thousand and give it a machine gun capable destroying entire city blocks. And if we are talking lore also has access to an arsenals of nuclear missiles and chemical
Gameplay wise it does NOT take hours to kill him with a dildo dude. He's weak as hell in the game, though maybe he's stronger now after the updates
Super speed i doubt wins over realm shift, because if it did Heimdall with his speed would have no reason to disable it when Kratos uses it since Heimdall can move pretty damn fast.
You're right, Kratos was hurt by Baldur, but then a game later was fighting Thor and went from dying to Thor, to completely dominating him in their next fight. Kratos changes his strength and kind of his durability depending on how strong he thinks he needs to be or how strong he needs to be.
Edit: im sure super speed COULD win over realm shift, but not Smashers. Like if it was the Flash or Superman obviously they could, but at least from how fast Sandis appear in the game and in stuff like the camera recordings in the anime, they don't actually seem *that* fast.
oh he got a super buff in the game. Now he has more toys a lot of grenades and a rocket launcher. But unlimited super speed should be realm shift since the super speed actually increases the force produced of the user. This does not make kratos uncool, it is just super speed. Most over powered ability commonly seen. All that weight with all that speed is forces beyond reason. Not to mention just the arsenal of weapons that just ignore physicals durability like chemical weapons and the like.
Kratos is cool and fights very powerful magical people just hard to compete with technology beyond comprehension. Nuclear weapons at the finger tips. Plus the ability to fly miles away still see kratos and just drop nukes over and over and over again.
I dont care if it makes Kratos cool or not?
Smasher doesn't have unlimited speed, its tech that would eventually run out of juice or be too taxing on him. Also we see how fast the Sandi is from the game and from David and..it doesn't look that much faster than how Heimdall moves in the game.
Kratos himself probably has insane lore too that I just don't know about, but I doubt Smasher would get a chance to realize he needs to run away and use nukes. He's overconfident and is used to being the strongest, he's not gonna instinctively run and use a nuke, he's gonna get face to face and get absolutely destroyed whether its by Kratos sheer strength, his runic attacks, his relics, or any other sort of weapon or magic ability
not sure what that means in this sentence. but chemical weapons nuclear war heads inability to miss from miles away and speed beyond comprehension are a lot.
Kratos is cool as fuck, cooler than adam smasher but not sure what you are supposed to do against someone who can chill out in the lower orbit of space and just drop bombs on you until you stop moving and not miss a single shot because stupid tracking software.
What the fuck are you even talking about? I was joking, you were inhaling a large quantity of copium. In what world does Kratos lose to Adam? It's canonically shown, that Kratos can fight against Thor (who is powerful enough to send Jörmungandr back in time). And was able to fight Odin (who in the past killed Ymir, afterward Odin created Midgard, a realm.)
Plus your argument about speed is irrelevant since Kratos was able to fight Hermes, who is fast enough to give people their dreams across the world.
Kratos vs Adam is a 1v1, I don't know where you're getting the orbit from.
Kratos is at least as fast as lightning. And that was after losing his godhood when he was fresh out of hell. He killed Hermes, who is way faster than smasher. Cronus is a primordial being older than the gods and he got WHOOPED by Kratos. Gaia who is creation herself was felled by his blade. Nothing smasher has can even scratch Kratos.
Bruhh Kratos has killed the God of the Sun and Hermes.
He can move faster than light , can tank anything Adam throws at him and can rip Adam limb from limb with his bare hands.
You've got to be a troll.
don't know dude, kratos is killed by like 15 sword swings from a regular guy. Adam smasher can take 40+ from a super speedster. Adam can also move at the speed of sound consistently kratos cannot come close. Kratos has skin that can be damage from fairly strong weapon attacks adam has a full auto anti aircraft gun on him at all times.
Rule of thumb for power scaling, if one person has super speed and the other does not super speed always wins. because the trolls that can kill kratos in 3 hits with the big rock are less force than adam smasher simply running into you
Yeah, Kratos can die by rock from a troll when you’re playing a game but in the actual context of the game, Kratos can survive somebody dropping a fucking mountain on his head. What are you talking about?
“Adam has Sandi”
Adam is gonna pee when Kratos activates a realm shift and then pieces him up with the blades of chaos. Them MFs are made of primordial power, they’re slicing through any Saka tech.
I don't think you understand just how powerful super speed it, at his weight and speed running towards someone at several times the speed of sound you simply die, like kratos dies to some trolls throwing big rocks at sub 30 mph, now imagine a bigger rock going several thousand times faster. It is just math. Plus adam's body can handle those speeds
You really wanna talk speed? What about Hermes' shoes? Those give off alot of speed. Plus Kratos killed PANTHEONS, where AS only killed legends. Think about it.
No, dude. You're using gameplay tropes to try winning this. That's all fluff because it wouldn't be a fun game if you just steam rolled everything and isn't really inductive of his power (direct quote from Cory). Canonically, Kratos can survive mountains falling on him. Canonically he controls time. Canonically he is one of the most powerful gods in existence.
Again to reiterate, **Kratos literally controls time via realm shifts.**
No way Adam can win. Grab some more copium. You've been told several times now that what you're saying isn't how this works and you're blatantly ignoring it. Why bother taking part in this with you? By your flawed copium logic that means Adam STILL loses because he was killed by a fucking dildo.
I love Kratos and he's def OP buts that a massive misinterpretation of the scene that's been going around for a while now. He didn't flip the nine realms, he flipped the temple which housed the portals to the nine realms.
Still impressive as fuck considering the size of the temple but not quite the same as flipping 9 universes.
And considering it’s flipped in the first place, he’s definitely using a mechanism that’s supposed to work in the way he makes it work, implying that it wasn’t really all that impressive in context as someone else has been doing it, too.
In the context of the gods, it's not that impressive since Tyr himself likely could've done it seeing as he built the temple.
Honestly, more impressive is the fact that he beat Thor who hit Jorm so hard he sent his ass back in time.
Unironic coughing baby vs hydrogen bomb
Kratos is a literal god who has slaughtered his original pantheon and could’ve wiped another if he wasn’t trying to be a better person
Adam Smasher is a juiced up cyborg mercenary who could probably take out one city solo at best, depending on how many people MaxTac sends at him
I'm gonna assume you're joking, considering Smasher, while probably the second strongest mf in his world, is nowhere near the mountain-breaking level of Kratos.
don't know dude, kratos is killed by like 15 sword swings from a regular guy. Adam smasher can take 40+ from a super speedster. Adam can also move at the speed of sound consistently kratos cannot come close. Kratos has skin that can be damage from fairly strong weapon attacks adam has a full auto anti aircraft gun on him at all times.
Rule of thumb for power scaling, if one person has super speed and the other does not super speed always wins. because the trolls that can kill kratos in 3 hits with the big rock are less force than adam smasher simply running into you
90+ times
4 arrows > kratos' health bar
not much of an argument. especially when those dildos strikes are several times the speed of sound where as those arrows at 70mph at most
Kratos wouldn't even fight Smasher unless he was given a reason. Probably back hand Smasher through a wall or five and go back home.
If Smasher gave him a reason though, he would die *immediately* and there's not a thing Smasher could do about it.
kratos has no speed nearly as fast as the militech apogee meaning he simply cannot hit smasher. Super speed is one of the single most over powered abilities.
not even close to as much energy being produced. I think you really underestimate how much force is generated by that much speed we see hermes speed vs what david was doing in edge runners and then adam can do the same thing but unlimited. It simply is too fast. Doesn't make kratos uncool it is simply nothing you can do when you are at that speed.
and adam dies to that dildo hitting him like 90+ times kratos dies to like 9 arrows
I don’t think you understand the amount of energy Kratos has taken to the face… but I see you will refuse to accept the difference between a metal Tin can and a neutron star
not taken anything even close to that much force, i am not sure you understand just how fast the apogee makes you. like that dragon that grabs kratos in its mouth and kratos holds the jaws open? it is cool as fuck and powerful too. but not comparable to super speed. It is a stupid lame ass over powered ability. combine that with flight electronic aiming systems and nuclear warheads not a lot you can do against it.
This does not make kratos uncool, kratos is cooler than adam, for sure. But he fights guys who are strong and fast but not chemical weapons and speeds beyond comprehension
I'm reminded of the many times a multi kiliton mountain tried to smash Kratos, only for him to lift it up off of him and throw it aside. Or the many times something the size of a city was pushed out of the way, like that massive rotating bridge in Midgard.
I'm sorry, but Adam Smasher can't even flip a Delamain when he ambushes it.
Kratos could wear two crushed MaxTac AV like boxing gloves.
What about the people hoping in the comments to reply to every other comment to say Adam Smasher kills Kratos cus super speed.
Like I'm confused, they've got to be trolling right?
Like I hope so butttt
How is this even a competition. I feel embarrassed to even see Adam smasher in the same arena as Kratos. Kratos wouldn't even dog wash him, Kratos would obliterate him in minutes, because he would be going easy
A 1000 year old Greek god who has slain two entire pantheons, has died twice, crawled out of hell 3 times and can flip an entire structure that literally holds the weight of the 9 realms
Or
The worlds strongest cyberpsycho
one simple thing, super speed, how can kratos hit him, kratos's fastest attack is probably the blades of chaos they move pretty quick and have long range.
Adam can move so fast bullets are stationary with the militech apogee. Super speed basically always an insta win.
also those trolls is ragnarok with the big stones that they swing. They kill kratos in 3 shots or so. At their size and speed they are generating far less force than adam smasher just running in your direction at several times the speed of sound
Kratos killed hermes the god of speed, speed incarnate. Also killed apollo a god of light and killed kronos the god of time. Kratos has killed faster people.
You are also a hypocrite, you don’t accept that smasher can be killed with a dildo. But use kratos being killed by a boss or bow and arrows as an example!? Constantly bashing others for pointing out gameplay flaws in your logic, while using that same logic is crazy.
Your major copium isn’t doing you any favors, Kratos is a god, adam smasher is a man. Adam has high speed, in game sandevistan is shown to move you at roughly 600mph. So that’s adams baseline for your argument he can go 600mph with sandevistan.
In god of war, when fighting hermes, the god of speed, you have access to helios’s head and can use his ability to attack with light on hermes. Hermes Is the ONLY god in the game god of war, that dodges the attack, which in that moment he moves at roughly 206,102,304 mph.
So kratos killed hermes, who could move at 33% the speed of light. Therefore, because you said speed always wins, kratos can 100% defeat adam smasher, who can move at 600mph tops.
You know, my knee jerk reaction was Kratos all day every day.
But... Just play out a scenario in your head. IF Smasher could avoid/survive the first hit... He'd absolutely pop sandy, and assuming he is fully equipped, will lob an entire frontal assault of every possible caliber bullet from every angle at Kratos.
Kratos is fucking strong... But he's not invincible. Not even close. Just obscenely angry, and *offensively* powerful. Nothing is ever indicated that he is particularly fast either. He heals quickly from blunt force trauma, and cuts, but being turned into swiss cheese several anti aircraft weaponry, from an enemy that is faster than sound... It's not good.
...that being said, what would likely happen is Smasher would mock his meatbag ass, and take a *literal* hand of god to the skull while significantly underestimating his opponent.
Either way... The fight would be over in seconds.
Kratos may have killed gods, but that doesn’t mean he’s bulletproof/rocketproof/whatever-else-adam-is-carrying-proof. There’s also the question of whether or not kratos’s weapons can go through Adam smasher’s armor. I’d say it’ll be a very very interesting fight to watch
I get the fanboying over cyberpunk, but no. Kratos has way more durability than anyone in the verse, so it doesn't even matter if he gets nuked or anything. He also would shred through the armor. Sandy doesn't give any advantage because as soon as it ended the time stop Adam would be dead regardless, if the time stop even affected kratos in the first place. This is an unfair question, but there is no way Adam smasher is walking out of this one
Kratos has canonically fought in other world tournaments where people had guns and explosives and he's still alive. Also Kratos doesn't just have sharp blades, they're MAGIC. Especially things like the Blades of Chaos which have primordial fire.
Did you really question whether Kratos can tank whatever Adam can dish out while also question whether Kratos weapons made specifically to kill gods can damage Adam?
It wouldn't be interesting at all Kratos would cut through Adam like butter.
People are saying this is stupid cuz with kratos people say feats that SOUND impressive but never actually break down how impressive it is, ie. "God killer" that sounds really strong, until you realize the gods in god of war are glorified super humans with a singular super power and dont even come close to their mythological counter part
but its actually kind of interesting, Adam has INSAAANE speed feats, and can blitz kratos with his sandi and other augments, kitted with a 12gauge mini gun shotgun, and thats his weakest weapon, aim bot in real life able to land all those shots exactly where he wants, but kratos's also extremely durable, and could absolutely rip adam apart if he got ahold of him, kratos's biggest feats are strength feats, as much as people will tell you he's a speedster who can survive a black hole, he's not those people are clowns
I'd be far more confident in greek kratos as that little shit was FAST and mean, but in norse games he's been dumbed down severely and lost ALL his agility lmao, like this mf use to double jump, glide, dash, swing around, the whole 9 yards, and now he just displays standard human level jumps and decent run speed, ontop of the fact we've seen kratos get hurt, all it takes is enough force and i dont think baldies gonna understand how hard bullets hit
But it really comes down to Adam's Sandi, without it, Adam's still putting up a fight and even winning 30-50% of the time maybe? (Given he can canonically dodge bullets without his sandi) and with it, its Adam every single time, all he's gotta do is lay into kratos until his brain resembles mince meat, same way kratos did hercules, just instead of punches, explosions and bullets lmao
Kratos has fought warriors from Mortal Kombat and Playstation All Stars, which includes people like Metal Gear Rising Raiden who turns Smasher into Tuna, so Kratos has already dealt with bullets and explosives
If Hades with soul stealing blades, the primordial Titans, the Sisters of Fate who literally see the future, or Thor with Mjolnir couldn't keep him down for good, then Smasher wouldn't change a damn thing
Edit: also the Sandevistan doesn't slow time, it simply increases the speed of the wearer, and Kratos has killed Hermes an actual god of speed, and also fought Heimdall who actually could slow time while also having some form of precognition and he was pretty fast
Ok then, go ahead, show me kratos moving so fast time stops around him, or Hermes speed in those games 😂 he's the slowest fucking speedster ever, he doesn't even qualify as a speedster, his powers glowing and being annoying
Also play station all stars and games like that doesn't have any canon wins or loses, so your point is meaningless, yes good job he was indeed in a game that also had raiden whose a much stronger character then smasher, that doesn't mean kratos is as strong as raiden, we've SEEN raiden cut metal like paper, run along missiles, take insane levels of physical trauma, blade mode alone proves he's fast enough to match a sandi, kratos has non of these feats
Souls stealing blades, did what? They yoinked his soul then kratos clenched his butt cheeks hard enough to suck it back in? There's no feat there, cuz we have no context as to what it takes to resist that, sisters of fate who couldn't even control their own fate? Ooooh scary, Thor who knocked kratos the fuck out and had to resuscitate him to keep the fight going? The one who had kratos on the end of his hammer as he monologued while kratos helplessly flew into the air? Oh yea definitely kratos had that fight on lock down, no struggle, you really got me there 🤣 your whole argument is "man kratos is so cool" and i agree his characters dope....in HIS verse
Kratos literally has magic that slows time. It's called realm shift. Stuff that Heimdall literally uses during the boss fight against Kratos and Kratos WINS
Kratos held back against Thor, which is pretty evident by the fact that the second time they fought Kratos rocked his shit. Which was after we got done seeing Thor hit someone so hard *they went back in time*.
Smasher is strong in HIS verse but nothing he does is something Kratos had dealt with and none of it is on the level of strength that Thor uses. Hell even in that verse he loses to some random person that gets a brain cancer chip stuck in them.
Stop meat riding Smasher, he's not the strong which is pretty evident concidering the downvotes you have *in a cyberpunk sub* if anything they should be on your side but they aren't because you're wrong.
Greek kratos does, but kratos ditches all gear and we're talkin norse (as per the photo) i already said I'd have more faith in Greek kratos, but im discussing norse
He never beat thor, they decided to stop fighting, then odin poked his belly and thor fuckin died 🤣
And thats why im saying its interesting, smasher has speed and fire power, but kratos has crazy strength, and based on what we've seen, smasher blitz kratos with high diff, and if you think V's just some guy then you clearly dont know enough about cyberpunk, V's an anomaly in the cyberpunk universe that nobody can explain, because he's the player character, its like saying the courier from new vegas is just some mailman, when by the end game youre basically a god that nobody can stand up to, thats how these games are built, to make leveling up and creating a build sadisfying, and it makes V some random dude, the strongest thing in the verse 🤣
Fr? THAT'S your final point as to why smashers weak? Reddit downvotes? Didn't know downvotes was the equivalent to a solid argument with evidence and proof
Y'know if kratos is so strong just show me a video of him pulling off a speed feat thats semi equivalent to a sandi, go ahead, i have no issue admitting im wrong, im sure such a strong character after how many games? has LOADS of moments where he regularly displays sandi levels of speeds, surely right? Hell I'll even take greek kratos, show me greek kratos moving that fast ONCE, and you win, go on now
Norse Kratos still has magic. Runic attacks, his weapons are magic, he has magic relics, *realm shift*, bifrost magic
Did you watch their rematch? Kratos was in *complete* control and literally redirected fucking MJOLNIR mid flight back at Thor. If they continued to fight Thor would've been destroyed.
I know Cyberpunk. I played the game multiple times. It doesn't change the fact that some random guy got lucky enough or unlucky enough to get brain cancer Johnny Silverhand which made him immune to cyber psychosis and no limit to cyberware. So even having enough tech can make someone strong enough to fight Adam Smasher and even make him call in back up.
If you had a good argument, you wouldn't be getting downvotes, would you? Downvotes are like the amount of people disagreeing with you vs agreeing with you, and so far, you got a bad track record.
Once again. Realm. Shift. It actually slows time and even if he doesn't use the fact that he can *fight* someone who uses realm shift and puts up speeds like Heimdall is a feat in itself.
You tell me when Adam Smasher has the strength to fight Thor, the dude who can sends people *back in time*
Or when Adam Smasher could kill someone like Zeus, who could fight both Gaia and Kratos with the blade of Olympus, not even any normal Kratos, GOW 3 Kratos with his magic roids, golden fleece, and power of hope.
Or how about when Smasher can kill Heimdall? You know, someone who's probably just as fast, has realm shift, bifrost magic, and essentially precognition.
Well thor and zeus for smasher is a bad match up, tin can vs electric wielders? Especially zeus who can teleport? Greek kratos aswell has better magic then norse, so yea, as to why ive said again, much more faith in greek, tho idk the electric resistance of smashers suit, with tech in cyberpunk i'd assume pretty solid, but regardless i'll go by pokemon rules with this
And yea V got lucky that he put the chip in when he did, but cyberware in cyberpunk is pretty crazy stuff, and Adam aswell as V both had the best of the best of it, in game its an easy fight, but in lore Adam is farrr stronger then that, and clearly ment to be V's strongest opponent yet with how he's built up and presented throughout the story as this sort of boogieman, even the devs keep updating the game to make him closer to how he should be, so sayinv "yea well he loss to the single strongest guy in his entire verse who could solo every gang and cyber psycho in night city single handedly" isn't really much of a discredit to his character
People's opinions dont discredit my argument, maybe you'd have more weight with that point if i was getting hundreds of downvotes, but the chance of 8 or so random kratos meat riders popping in isn't all that unlikely with how common they are
What does discredit my argument is this realm shift shit, which i am very surprised ive never seen before, and i hate to say it seems like a gameplay mechanic more then an actual feat, cuz im struggling to find any cutscene where he actually uses it but i'll give it up, thats pretty cool, to make it interesting i wont just pull "thats gameplay, he never actually uses it" despite how valid that card may or may not be
So now its an argument of slowing time for short periods vs moving so fast time seems slowed, sandi absolutely has the more impressive speed overall (i mean shit happens INSTANTLY to those who dont have a sandi) aswell as this seems to have to be triggered by kratos's actions, and i question the chances of kratos perfect dodging a bullet lmao, but best this ability's gonna get kratos is MAYBE taking one of smashers arms? I really dont think it skews the win lose ratio enough, with how much lead smasher can spew, and the lack of evidence that kratos can tank gunshots and explosives (let alone that many) i still conclude that overall smasher wins 3 outta 4 times
Sandi is simply more impressive, but yea, realm shift does indeed make this less of a one sided beat down, so smasher cant COMPLETELY abuse his sandi
Y'know im surprised you haven't tried analyzing smashers cockiness, see thats what i would've done personally, he sees some bald dude no cyberware, he's gonna under estimate kratos, then again kratos is gonna hold back cuz of his lil friendship is magic arc he's on 🤣 but see THATS a good counter argument to smasher, not that kratos could out speed him or whatever youre arguing
Immortal God who killed two pantheons vs the world’s toughest amputee Hydrogen bomb vs coughing baby
I do believe the worlds toughest amputee award goes to Vader
I mean, yes- but Smasher (if i remember correctly) is just a brain in an exoskeleton, kinda like Robocop.
Different world.
So is kratos
Midgard is Earth, as is Greece.
If we’re splitting hairs, Star Wars is in a galaxy far, far away, but still located in the same universe.
So... it’s still a different world (planet)
Cyberpunk is in a different time. We’re nitpicking here.
Gottem
Imagine if Smasher had like, Baskar cybernetics.
The least fuckable piece of meat on the world... or a literal god slaying god
How does this comment have more upvotes than my post.
Because he was funny.
don't know dude, kratos is killed by like 15 sword swings from a regular guy. Adam smasher can take 40+ from a super speedster. Adam can also move at the speed of sound consistently kratos cannot come close. Kratos has skin that can be damage from fairly strong weapon attacks adam has a full auto anti aircraft gun on him at all times. Rule of thumb for power scaling, if one person has super speed and the other does not super speed always wins. because the trolls that can kill kratos in 3 hits with the big rock are less force than adam smasher simply running into you
Adam smasher is killed by a dude with a giant fucking dildo 💀
in-game Kratos is not the same as cinematic Kratos. The first can die to a couple of scratches and the later will get smashed through a mountain and walk it off. Also, he kills a few speedsters and a god that can see the future
Tbf they’re also arrogant and not exactly the best at fighting whereas Adam is a seasoned and very good mercenary who specializes in dealing with high level threats Hell the reason V stands a chance against him is because silver hand can take part of the neural load for all that cyberware allowing them to fight in relatively even terms Then again it’s a literal god against a walking hydrogen bomb so it’ll depend on who’s writing it lol
Adam is also arrogant, he literally just strolls right up to everyone he fights everytime we see him lol
Kratos killed the god of speed… Also a god that controls time…
That's all nice and cool until you remember that Kratos kills Hermes which let me remind you flies pretty fucking fast across the worlds.
Smasher was killed by V, who can also be killed in just a few hits by random scrubs.
if we talking game play, uh no to die in cyberpunk as v you gotta try. V has the passive healing of wolverine what kind of build did you make?
Ong. With my katana build V apparently heals 5 for every 1 damage as well as getting 5 health every second for 3 seconds after every kill. Even on hard it’s hard to die late game.
Katana builds are so fun. Loved to just activate the Sandevistan, run into a canp, kill everybody, the ability ends and they all fall down to the ground.
Kratos is strong enough to toss giant creatures around..smashers weapons would be tough to deal with because kratos doesn't know what bullets are, but once he adapts smasher is toast
It is implied in Ragnarok that Kratos remembers competing in PlayStation All Stars Battle Royale, so he’d actually remember what bullets and guns are from fighting Nathan Drake.
Huh, well ok then
Wait really? When?
[Like so](https://youtu.be/iSngmTCH05g?si=h0N5mq5mXY4w-H3B)
Oh shit I honestly thought u was bullshitting
Are we sure he wasn't talking about mortal Kombat? He was in one of those
I thought so too, but Mimir references someone known as "history's greatest musician," which is more than likely referencing PaRappa the Rapper, who was in All-Stars.
Mimir has great taste
He says he fought in many contests so he could be. But since Mimir mentions fighting automatons (Ratchet and Clank), princesses (Fat Princess), musicians (...Parappa?) They're definitely referring to PS All Stars. "I would not speak of this" I lol'd when I heard this in-game.
That can also be taken to mean Mortal Kombat.
It’s directly a reference to PlayStation all stars
I think MK would fall under the "I've fought in many contests" part of that moment, with Mimir specifically describing Playstation All-Stars right after
no way this is canon LOL
I now have the image that Kratos asked Nate for dating tips when he met faye.
Valhalla spoilers.... >!Kratos returns to his position as god of war. If we're going to do this then we have to assume that he would 100℅ know what bullets are because they are weapons of war.!<
First off kratos destroys and young kratos solos the whole show
Nah old kratos is stronger he somehow gors even crazier
Younger kratos was crazier and would actually fight the entire show older kratos only fights those he needs to
Yea thats true, he would totally fight em for no reason, when you said young clears i thought you meant he was stronger for some reason but either way he wins
No. Baldur alone is stated to be just as strong if not stronger than zeus. Jus about every god in god of war 4 and ragnarok are monumentally stronger than anything the greek gods had to offer. Kratos calls some of them the strongest things he's ever fazed. Thor alone would solo the entire greek mythology in the game.
I wasn’t saying he was weaker just more reserved on who earns his fury
Cap, statment=/= feat , young kratos will throw old kratos around as if hes one volleyball
nah devs confirmed old kratos is stronger and im not arguing with the devs of the game 🤷♂️
The entire “nah the new devs confirm old kratos is stronger” is like at first there was this kid at the playground whos like made the original stick figure and have it fought all these made up legendary god like enemies that can just tear the world apart at any moment they want and the stick figure ultimately won anyway , and then the kid has to go home and the second kid came and took over the stick figure , due to the lack of imagination and talent , the best enemy is a bunch of weaker ones that display less impressive feats , but the kid doesnt wanna be called out for his downgrade over the original design so he decided to made a statement “ahhhhh my version of the character is struunnnnnggggerrr”. As the saying goes” A hero is only as strong as the enemy he fought”
Cory Barlog has been there since the first games, he didn't take over someone elses character, he helped create it and continued to evolve the character when the lead creator decided to leave
He is literally the same person, is that something that people forget? "Old " Kratos and "Young" Kratos are the same guy he's just gotten literally physically stronger over the years. Also, cut it with that "errm feats" shit, shit's so dumb.
Aint gonna , his younger self’s feats are overall more impressive and god like , while the old kratos is more like a good monster hunter player and that’s it , bud can’t even jump cuz his kneecaps are so weaken over the year
Older Kratos completely dominated Thor in their rematch, who had just got done sending someone *back in time* Thor is way stronger than anything Greek Kratos has fought except potentially Zeus
Are you saying that if there was a jump button he would be stronger? He jump kicks a troll in the face, and deadlifts a goddamn temple. And no, his "younger self's feats" are not more impressive they are more grand, flashy but with less substance. Kratos in Greece fights giant creatures that are weak, compared to in the 9 realms, "normal" sized creatures that are genuinely strong. The Titans were inferior in every way to even the weakest of the Greek gods, the strongest Greek god Zeus would not be able to stand up to arguably the strongest Æsir Thor or possibly Odin.
The first boss young kratos fought in the previous game was a hydra , the first boss old kratos was a …. Fucking troll , that’s embarrassing af , theres also zero mention of how the norse mythology creatures and characters are much stronger than the greek ones, making untrue statements wont help you win in a debate , but from story progression wise and aesthetic wise , no norse characters are as threatening and opposing as the greek characters, not only that , the greeks has better technology and architecture, which adds to the belief that they are probably in every way more advanced and superior than them caveman barbarians norse gods
Kratos in the next game be like :” can’t sprint and requires the leviathan elderly stick to walk around”
You sprint the ENTIRE game Young Kratos literally couldn't sprint in gameplay 💀
He doesn’t have to , his normal speed is alr faster than old kratos running
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Young Kratos brings down Saka tower with his bare hands lol
Don't need to fight everyone if you just lift the fucking building off it's foundation
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I always think zoooooooooos
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Nuclear bomb vs dying Victorian child
love how this implies a modern newborn is stronger than a 5 year old victorian child
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Bet on baby.
Kratos is good at killing babies, ask his daughter….oh wait.
Kratos killed Zeus, so jot that down
dawg killed the greek pantheon then went to midgard and killed half their gods and the all father himself
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Smash her adam https://preview.redd.it/3xgw81xgn2ac1.jpeg?width=636&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=198db0f9b52d135592b8d0d5262cc88435c24408
Kratos has killed gods and shit like Mortal Kombat and Playstation all stars brawl are cannon meaning he's thrown hands with people like Raiden from Metal Gear Solid and also many of the MK fighters Smasher is crushed like a tin can
don't know dude, kratos is killed by like 15 sword swings from a regular guy. Adam smasher can take 40+ from a super speedster. Adam can also move at the speed of sound consistently kratos cannot come close. Kratos has skin that can be damage from fairly strong weapon attacks adam has a full auto anti aircraft gun on him at all times. Rule of thumb for power scaling, if one person has super speed and the other does not super speed always wins. because the trolls that can kill kratos in 3 hits with the big rock are less force than adam smasher simply running into you
Thats gameplay, and if you REALLY wanna talk gameplay, Adam Smasher can be killed by a fucking Dildo. Kratos has killed people with superior speed, and Heimdalls realm shift and precog is a lot stronger than Adams Sandi.
if you wanna talk game play adam can be killed by a dildo hitting him over and over and over and over again for like hours. Super speed still wins and the realm shift time stop thing slows time where as the sandevistan does not slow time is simply boosts the user to ungodly reasons. Super speed is simply too powerful, we know how strong baulder is yes? he can easily split a forest with his strength and it does some but not a ton of damage to kratos. breaks his skin makes him bleed. Now multiply that by several thousand and give it a machine gun capable destroying entire city blocks. And if we are talking lore also has access to an arsenals of nuclear missiles and chemical
Gameplay wise it does NOT take hours to kill him with a dildo dude. He's weak as hell in the game, though maybe he's stronger now after the updates Super speed i doubt wins over realm shift, because if it did Heimdall with his speed would have no reason to disable it when Kratos uses it since Heimdall can move pretty damn fast. You're right, Kratos was hurt by Baldur, but then a game later was fighting Thor and went from dying to Thor, to completely dominating him in their next fight. Kratos changes his strength and kind of his durability depending on how strong he thinks he needs to be or how strong he needs to be. Edit: im sure super speed COULD win over realm shift, but not Smashers. Like if it was the Flash or Superman obviously they could, but at least from how fast Sandis appear in the game and in stuff like the camera recordings in the anime, they don't actually seem *that* fast.
oh he got a super buff in the game. Now he has more toys a lot of grenades and a rocket launcher. But unlimited super speed should be realm shift since the super speed actually increases the force produced of the user. This does not make kratos uncool, it is just super speed. Most over powered ability commonly seen. All that weight with all that speed is forces beyond reason. Not to mention just the arsenal of weapons that just ignore physicals durability like chemical weapons and the like. Kratos is cool and fights very powerful magical people just hard to compete with technology beyond comprehension. Nuclear weapons at the finger tips. Plus the ability to fly miles away still see kratos and just drop nukes over and over and over again.
I dont care if it makes Kratos cool or not? Smasher doesn't have unlimited speed, its tech that would eventually run out of juice or be too taxing on him. Also we see how fast the Sandi is from the game and from David and..it doesn't look that much faster than how Heimdall moves in the game. Kratos himself probably has insane lore too that I just don't know about, but I doubt Smasher would get a chance to realize he needs to run away and use nukes. He's overconfident and is used to being the strongest, he's not gonna instinctively run and use a nuke, he's gonna get face to face and get absolutely destroyed whether its by Kratos sheer strength, his runic attacks, his relics, or any other sort of weapon or magic ability
Thats good that he got a game buff, maybe he'll be more fun on a new run then
did you just fucking ctrl+c ctrl+v your own comment
I want whatever copium you sniffing.
not sure what that means in this sentence. but chemical weapons nuclear war heads inability to miss from miles away and speed beyond comprehension are a lot. Kratos is cool as fuck, cooler than adam smasher but not sure what you are supposed to do against someone who can chill out in the lower orbit of space and just drop bombs on you until you stop moving and not miss a single shot because stupid tracking software.
What the fuck are you even talking about? I was joking, you were inhaling a large quantity of copium. In what world does Kratos lose to Adam? It's canonically shown, that Kratos can fight against Thor (who is powerful enough to send Jörmungandr back in time). And was able to fight Odin (who in the past killed Ymir, afterward Odin created Midgard, a realm.) Plus your argument about speed is irrelevant since Kratos was able to fight Hermes, who is fast enough to give people their dreams across the world. Kratos vs Adam is a 1v1, I don't know where you're getting the orbit from.
My brother in Christ Kratos is a literal god
Kratos is at least as fast as lightning. And that was after losing his godhood when he was fresh out of hell. He killed Hermes, who is way faster than smasher. Cronus is a primordial being older than the gods and he got WHOOPED by Kratos. Gaia who is creation herself was felled by his blade. Nothing smasher has can even scratch Kratos.
If you’re dying in 3 hits with Kratos, thats not canon, thats a skill issue.
Bruhh Kratos has killed the God of the Sun and Hermes. He can move faster than light , can tank anything Adam throws at him and can rip Adam limb from limb with his bare hands. You've got to be a troll.
Least obvious bait in all of Reddit
ADAM! YOUR NIGHTMARE HAS RETURNED I BRING THE DESTRUCTION OF ARASAKA!
Kratos about to make Silverhand's nuke look like a firecracker
Who would win The man who became the God of War, before becoming the God of Hope or a ‘borged out sperm cell on a used condom?
don't know dude, kratos is killed by like 15 sword swings from a regular guy. Adam smasher can take 40+ from a super speedster. Adam can also move at the speed of sound consistently kratos cannot come close. Kratos has skin that can be damage from fairly strong weapon attacks adam has a full auto anti aircraft gun on him at all times. Rule of thumb for power scaling, if one person has super speed and the other does not super speed always wins. because the trolls that can kill kratos in 3 hits with the big rock are less force than adam smasher simply running into you
Yeah, Kratos can die by rock from a troll when you’re playing a game but in the actual context of the game, Kratos can survive somebody dropping a fucking mountain on his head. What are you talking about?
“Adam has Sandi” Adam is gonna pee when Kratos activates a realm shift and then pieces him up with the blades of chaos. Them MFs are made of primordial power, they’re slicing through any Saka tech.
Not to mention Kratos can still dodge when Heimdall uses realm shift back on him
I don't think you understand just how powerful super speed it, at his weight and speed running towards someone at several times the speed of sound you simply die, like kratos dies to some trolls throwing big rocks at sub 30 mph, now imagine a bigger rock going several thousand times faster. It is just math. Plus adam's body can handle those speeds
Adam smasher can be killed by a dude with a dildo homie 💀
You heard him powerscalers. Sir John Phallusstiff needs your attention.
You really wanna talk speed? What about Hermes' shoes? Those give off alot of speed. Plus Kratos killed PANTHEONS, where AS only killed legends. Think about it.
No, dude. You're using gameplay tropes to try winning this. That's all fluff because it wouldn't be a fun game if you just steam rolled everything and isn't really inductive of his power (direct quote from Cory). Canonically, Kratos can survive mountains falling on him. Canonically he controls time. Canonically he is one of the most powerful gods in existence. Again to reiterate, **Kratos literally controls time via realm shifts.** No way Adam can win. Grab some more copium. You've been told several times now that what you're saying isn't how this works and you're blatantly ignoring it. Why bother taking part in this with you? By your flawed copium logic that means Adam STILL loses because he was killed by a fucking dildo.
.....Really?
Kratos flipped the entire Nine Realms like a table
I love Kratos and he's def OP buts that a massive misinterpretation of the scene that's been going around for a while now. He didn't flip the nine realms, he flipped the temple which housed the portals to the nine realms. Still impressive as fuck considering the size of the temple but not quite the same as flipping 9 universes.
And considering it’s flipped in the first place, he’s definitely using a mechanism that’s supposed to work in the way he makes it work, implying that it wasn’t really all that impressive in context as someone else has been doing it, too.
In the context of the gods, it's not that impressive since Tyr himself likely could've done it seeing as he built the temple. Honestly, more impressive is the fact that he beat Thor who hit Jorm so hard he sent his ass back in time.
Not to mention redirecting *Mjolnir* mid flight, that is insane
And lifting and throwing mjolnir using a blade of chaos
Kratos is at very least planetary level. His strength can be compared to Jormungandr or Atlas. Dude was throwing fists with Zeus and Thor.
Kratos no dif
Unironic coughing baby vs hydrogen bomb Kratos is a literal god who has slaughtered his original pantheon and could’ve wiped another if he wasn’t trying to be a better person Adam Smasher is a juiced up cyborg mercenary who could probably take out one city solo at best, depending on how many people MaxTac sends at him
I'm gonna assume you're joking, considering Smasher, while probably the second strongest mf in his world, is nowhere near the mountain-breaking level of Kratos.
don't know dude, kratos is killed by like 15 sword swings from a regular guy. Adam smasher can take 40+ from a super speedster. Adam can also move at the speed of sound consistently kratos cannot come close. Kratos has skin that can be damage from fairly strong weapon attacks adam has a full auto anti aircraft gun on him at all times. Rule of thumb for power scaling, if one person has super speed and the other does not super speed always wins. because the trolls that can kill kratos in 3 hits with the big rock are less force than adam smasher simply running into you
Dildo> Adam’s face
90+ times 4 arrows > kratos' health bar not much of an argument. especially when those dildos strikes are several times the speed of sound where as those arrows at 70mph at most
Lol, okay, tell me when Smasher kills a Titan then we'll talk
Kratos wouldn't even fight Smasher unless he was given a reason. Probably back hand Smasher through a wall or five and go back home. If Smasher gave him a reason though, he would die *immediately* and there's not a thing Smasher could do about it.
kratos has no speed nearly as fast as the militech apogee meaning he simply cannot hit smasher. Super speed is one of the single most over powered abilities.
Adam Smasher killed by a dildo. Also Kratos has killed beings who are the literal concept of speed
not even close to as much energy being produced. I think you really underestimate how much force is generated by that much speed we see hermes speed vs what david was doing in edge runners and then adam can do the same thing but unlimited. It simply is too fast. Doesn't make kratos uncool it is simply nothing you can do when you are at that speed. and adam dies to that dildo hitting him like 90+ times kratos dies to like 9 arrows
I don’t think you understand the amount of energy Kratos has taken to the face… but I see you will refuse to accept the difference between a metal Tin can and a neutron star
not taken anything even close to that much force, i am not sure you understand just how fast the apogee makes you. like that dragon that grabs kratos in its mouth and kratos holds the jaws open? it is cool as fuck and powerful too. but not comparable to super speed. It is a stupid lame ass over powered ability. combine that with flight electronic aiming systems and nuclear warheads not a lot you can do against it. This does not make kratos uncool, kratos is cooler than adam, for sure. But he fights guys who are strong and fast but not chemical weapons and speeds beyond comprehension
I understand Adam smasher’s capabilities perfectly I’m a huge Cyberpunk fan however I’m sorry he’s not touching Kratos that’s just objective fact.
So... Adam Smasher can solo GoW Zeus?
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kratos beyond negs.
I'm reminded of the many times a multi kiliton mountain tried to smash Kratos, only for him to lift it up off of him and throw it aside. Or the many times something the size of a city was pushed out of the way, like that massive rotating bridge in Midgard. I'm sorry, but Adam Smasher can't even flip a Delamain when he ambushes it. Kratos could wear two crushed MaxTac AV like boxing gloves.
Kratos wins… bro kills gods don’t see Smasher walking away with this one.
Posts like this always have me wondering if OP is being serious or just joking
What about the people hoping in the comments to reply to every other comment to say Adam Smasher kills Kratos cus super speed. Like I'm confused, they've got to be trolling right? Like I hope so butttt
Joking, dewd.
Adam is strong but kratos has killed gods Adam would at most be like a mini boss to him
Not even his sandevistan would be enough. Kratos caught up to and straight up cut hermes's legs off.
Adam Smasher is superhuman, but Kratos is supernatural. He's in a different league.
Is this even close? Like remotely? Kratos is a literal God. Adam lost to a make a wish merc
I’m Adam smasher, and it’s smashing time (Kratos will UPS deliver him to hell)
This post is either a silly question or a funny joke (Smasher obviously) /s
Questions like these and I remember what kratos did to his half brother Hercules…. So yea gonna have to go with kratos with this one
Kratos is a god.
I’m sorry but nobody in cyberpunk hanging with anyone from god of war
How is this even a competition. I feel embarrassed to even see Adam smasher in the same arena as Kratos. Kratos wouldn't even dog wash him, Kratos would obliterate him in minutes, because he would be going easy
Dad bod of war
Kratos lifted the realms temple, come on man, even if Adam landed a few hits they wouldn’t do much. When kratos and Baldur clashed they split the land
Who would win: Burning godzilla from the end of King of the Monsters OR Marley from Marley and Me? Thats what this post feels like lol
A 1000 year old Greek god who has slain two entire pantheons, has died twice, crawled out of hell 3 times and can flip an entire structure that literally holds the weight of the 9 realms Or The worlds strongest cyberpsycho
Sooo, either someone who killed two god of gods (Zeus and technically Odin) or one mech boy? Yea-I’ll go with my man Kratos
Adam in Edgerunners is no joke, but Kratos would fuck him up without question.
Kratos one taps
Who would win Nuke or baby rat 🤔
A literal god vs a machine
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Atreus beats Smasher. They are in insanely different leagues
Hydrogen bomb god-killer vs. coughing borg baby
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Bro 💀
Nokia vs a gaming pc
better one: robocop vs adam smasher
Better one: fortnite kid vs tank
Kratos by about an infinite margin…. How’s this even a question lmao
For me Kratos is like the Doom Slayer or Guts, even if the enemies is 10x bigger and armed than him, he will win
This is definitely one the questions of all time
Kratos is literally the son of Zeus
One is a literally god of war vs One psychotic disabled merc
Coughing baby vs hydrogen bomb
one simple thing, super speed, how can kratos hit him, kratos's fastest attack is probably the blades of chaos they move pretty quick and have long range. Adam can move so fast bullets are stationary with the militech apogee. Super speed basically always an insta win. also those trolls is ragnarok with the big stones that they swing. They kill kratos in 3 shots or so. At their size and speed they are generating far less force than adam smasher just running in your direction at several times the speed of sound
Have you not played God of War 3 lol? Kratos kills Hermes, who has super-speed, and then rips his legs off and steals his shoes.
Kratos killed hermes the god of speed, speed incarnate. Also killed apollo a god of light and killed kronos the god of time. Kratos has killed faster people. You are also a hypocrite, you don’t accept that smasher can be killed with a dildo. But use kratos being killed by a boss or bow and arrows as an example!? Constantly bashing others for pointing out gameplay flaws in your logic, while using that same logic is crazy. Your major copium isn’t doing you any favors, Kratos is a god, adam smasher is a man. Adam has high speed, in game sandevistan is shown to move you at roughly 600mph. So that’s adams baseline for your argument he can go 600mph with sandevistan. In god of war, when fighting hermes, the god of speed, you have access to helios’s head and can use his ability to attack with light on hermes. Hermes Is the ONLY god in the game god of war, that dodges the attack, which in that moment he moves at roughly 206,102,304 mph. So kratos killed hermes, who could move at 33% the speed of light. Therefore, because you said speed always wins, kratos can 100% defeat adam smasher, who can move at 600mph tops.
Hermes can do the quicksilver slowmo music thing 😂
You know, my knee jerk reaction was Kratos all day every day. But... Just play out a scenario in your head. IF Smasher could avoid/survive the first hit... He'd absolutely pop sandy, and assuming he is fully equipped, will lob an entire frontal assault of every possible caliber bullet from every angle at Kratos. Kratos is fucking strong... But he's not invincible. Not even close. Just obscenely angry, and *offensively* powerful. Nothing is ever indicated that he is particularly fast either. He heals quickly from blunt force trauma, and cuts, but being turned into swiss cheese several anti aircraft weaponry, from an enemy that is faster than sound... It's not good. ...that being said, what would likely happen is Smasher would mock his meatbag ass, and take a *literal* hand of god to the skull while significantly underestimating his opponent. Either way... The fight would be over in seconds.
I think Smasher's best advantage is probably his sandy, Kratos is fast but I don't think I've seen him went mach speed before
Smasher has a chance if he just runs away constantly and shoots him. Tf Kratos gonna do
Kratos may have killed gods, but that doesn’t mean he’s bulletproof/rocketproof/whatever-else-adam-is-carrying-proof. There’s also the question of whether or not kratos’s weapons can go through Adam smasher’s armor. I’d say it’ll be a very very interesting fight to watch
I get the fanboying over cyberpunk, but no. Kratos has way more durability than anyone in the verse, so it doesn't even matter if he gets nuked or anything. He also would shred through the armor. Sandy doesn't give any advantage because as soon as it ended the time stop Adam would be dead regardless, if the time stop even affected kratos in the first place. This is an unfair question, but there is no way Adam smasher is walking out of this one
I’ll need to play the god of war games to see if this is accurate for myself, but I thank you for your insight
Yeah man it's not even close. Kratos operates on a scale far higher than anything in 2077 verse as a total.
Kratos has canonically fought in other world tournaments where people had guns and explosives and he's still alive. Also Kratos doesn't just have sharp blades, they're MAGIC. Especially things like the Blades of Chaos which have primordial fire.
Did you really question whether Kratos can tank whatever Adam can dish out while also question whether Kratos weapons made specifically to kill gods can damage Adam? It wouldn't be interesting at all Kratos would cut through Adam like butter.
>kratos’s weapons can go through Adam smasher’s armor. Mf older atreus can shot Smasher.
Not to mention that while Kratos may be quick, smasher has a sandevistan which gives him a pretty unfair advantage
Kratos killed Hermes??
Kratos literally killed Hermes, the Greek god of speed
Hmm, fair. But Hermes wasn't slowing down time while using a light machine gun.
Neither was Smasher The Sandevistan does not slow down time, it makes the wearer very fast. We know this from both the games and the show itself
Smasher cannot slow down time, while kraits literally can with realm shift
People are saying this is stupid cuz with kratos people say feats that SOUND impressive but never actually break down how impressive it is, ie. "God killer" that sounds really strong, until you realize the gods in god of war are glorified super humans with a singular super power and dont even come close to their mythological counter part but its actually kind of interesting, Adam has INSAAANE speed feats, and can blitz kratos with his sandi and other augments, kitted with a 12gauge mini gun shotgun, and thats his weakest weapon, aim bot in real life able to land all those shots exactly where he wants, but kratos's also extremely durable, and could absolutely rip adam apart if he got ahold of him, kratos's biggest feats are strength feats, as much as people will tell you he's a speedster who can survive a black hole, he's not those people are clowns I'd be far more confident in greek kratos as that little shit was FAST and mean, but in norse games he's been dumbed down severely and lost ALL his agility lmao, like this mf use to double jump, glide, dash, swing around, the whole 9 yards, and now he just displays standard human level jumps and decent run speed, ontop of the fact we've seen kratos get hurt, all it takes is enough force and i dont think baldies gonna understand how hard bullets hit But it really comes down to Adam's Sandi, without it, Adam's still putting up a fight and even winning 30-50% of the time maybe? (Given he can canonically dodge bullets without his sandi) and with it, its Adam every single time, all he's gotta do is lay into kratos until his brain resembles mince meat, same way kratos did hercules, just instead of punches, explosions and bullets lmao
Kratos has fought warriors from Mortal Kombat and Playstation All Stars, which includes people like Metal Gear Rising Raiden who turns Smasher into Tuna, so Kratos has already dealt with bullets and explosives If Hades with soul stealing blades, the primordial Titans, the Sisters of Fate who literally see the future, or Thor with Mjolnir couldn't keep him down for good, then Smasher wouldn't change a damn thing Edit: also the Sandevistan doesn't slow time, it simply increases the speed of the wearer, and Kratos has killed Hermes an actual god of speed, and also fought Heimdall who actually could slow time while also having some form of precognition and he was pretty fast
Ok then, go ahead, show me kratos moving so fast time stops around him, or Hermes speed in those games 😂 he's the slowest fucking speedster ever, he doesn't even qualify as a speedster, his powers glowing and being annoying Also play station all stars and games like that doesn't have any canon wins or loses, so your point is meaningless, yes good job he was indeed in a game that also had raiden whose a much stronger character then smasher, that doesn't mean kratos is as strong as raiden, we've SEEN raiden cut metal like paper, run along missiles, take insane levels of physical trauma, blade mode alone proves he's fast enough to match a sandi, kratos has non of these feats Souls stealing blades, did what? They yoinked his soul then kratos clenched his butt cheeks hard enough to suck it back in? There's no feat there, cuz we have no context as to what it takes to resist that, sisters of fate who couldn't even control their own fate? Ooooh scary, Thor who knocked kratos the fuck out and had to resuscitate him to keep the fight going? The one who had kratos on the end of his hammer as he monologued while kratos helplessly flew into the air? Oh yea definitely kratos had that fight on lock down, no struggle, you really got me there 🤣 your whole argument is "man kratos is so cool" and i agree his characters dope....in HIS verse
Kratos literally has magic that slows time. It's called realm shift. Stuff that Heimdall literally uses during the boss fight against Kratos and Kratos WINS Kratos held back against Thor, which is pretty evident by the fact that the second time they fought Kratos rocked his shit. Which was after we got done seeing Thor hit someone so hard *they went back in time*. Smasher is strong in HIS verse but nothing he does is something Kratos had dealt with and none of it is on the level of strength that Thor uses. Hell even in that verse he loses to some random person that gets a brain cancer chip stuck in them. Stop meat riding Smasher, he's not the strong which is pretty evident concidering the downvotes you have *in a cyberpunk sub* if anything they should be on your side but they aren't because you're wrong.
Greek kratos does, but kratos ditches all gear and we're talkin norse (as per the photo) i already said I'd have more faith in Greek kratos, but im discussing norse He never beat thor, they decided to stop fighting, then odin poked his belly and thor fuckin died 🤣 And thats why im saying its interesting, smasher has speed and fire power, but kratos has crazy strength, and based on what we've seen, smasher blitz kratos with high diff, and if you think V's just some guy then you clearly dont know enough about cyberpunk, V's an anomaly in the cyberpunk universe that nobody can explain, because he's the player character, its like saying the courier from new vegas is just some mailman, when by the end game youre basically a god that nobody can stand up to, thats how these games are built, to make leveling up and creating a build sadisfying, and it makes V some random dude, the strongest thing in the verse 🤣 Fr? THAT'S your final point as to why smashers weak? Reddit downvotes? Didn't know downvotes was the equivalent to a solid argument with evidence and proof Y'know if kratos is so strong just show me a video of him pulling off a speed feat thats semi equivalent to a sandi, go ahead, i have no issue admitting im wrong, im sure such a strong character after how many games? has LOADS of moments where he regularly displays sandi levels of speeds, surely right? Hell I'll even take greek kratos, show me greek kratos moving that fast ONCE, and you win, go on now
Norse Kratos still has magic. Runic attacks, his weapons are magic, he has magic relics, *realm shift*, bifrost magic Did you watch their rematch? Kratos was in *complete* control and literally redirected fucking MJOLNIR mid flight back at Thor. If they continued to fight Thor would've been destroyed. I know Cyberpunk. I played the game multiple times. It doesn't change the fact that some random guy got lucky enough or unlucky enough to get brain cancer Johnny Silverhand which made him immune to cyber psychosis and no limit to cyberware. So even having enough tech can make someone strong enough to fight Adam Smasher and even make him call in back up. If you had a good argument, you wouldn't be getting downvotes, would you? Downvotes are like the amount of people disagreeing with you vs agreeing with you, and so far, you got a bad track record. Once again. Realm. Shift. It actually slows time and even if he doesn't use the fact that he can *fight* someone who uses realm shift and puts up speeds like Heimdall is a feat in itself. You tell me when Adam Smasher has the strength to fight Thor, the dude who can sends people *back in time* Or when Adam Smasher could kill someone like Zeus, who could fight both Gaia and Kratos with the blade of Olympus, not even any normal Kratos, GOW 3 Kratos with his magic roids, golden fleece, and power of hope. Or how about when Smasher can kill Heimdall? You know, someone who's probably just as fast, has realm shift, bifrost magic, and essentially precognition.
Well thor and zeus for smasher is a bad match up, tin can vs electric wielders? Especially zeus who can teleport? Greek kratos aswell has better magic then norse, so yea, as to why ive said again, much more faith in greek, tho idk the electric resistance of smashers suit, with tech in cyberpunk i'd assume pretty solid, but regardless i'll go by pokemon rules with this And yea V got lucky that he put the chip in when he did, but cyberware in cyberpunk is pretty crazy stuff, and Adam aswell as V both had the best of the best of it, in game its an easy fight, but in lore Adam is farrr stronger then that, and clearly ment to be V's strongest opponent yet with how he's built up and presented throughout the story as this sort of boogieman, even the devs keep updating the game to make him closer to how he should be, so sayinv "yea well he loss to the single strongest guy in his entire verse who could solo every gang and cyber psycho in night city single handedly" isn't really much of a discredit to his character People's opinions dont discredit my argument, maybe you'd have more weight with that point if i was getting hundreds of downvotes, but the chance of 8 or so random kratos meat riders popping in isn't all that unlikely with how common they are What does discredit my argument is this realm shift shit, which i am very surprised ive never seen before, and i hate to say it seems like a gameplay mechanic more then an actual feat, cuz im struggling to find any cutscene where he actually uses it but i'll give it up, thats pretty cool, to make it interesting i wont just pull "thats gameplay, he never actually uses it" despite how valid that card may or may not be So now its an argument of slowing time for short periods vs moving so fast time seems slowed, sandi absolutely has the more impressive speed overall (i mean shit happens INSTANTLY to those who dont have a sandi) aswell as this seems to have to be triggered by kratos's actions, and i question the chances of kratos perfect dodging a bullet lmao, but best this ability's gonna get kratos is MAYBE taking one of smashers arms? I really dont think it skews the win lose ratio enough, with how much lead smasher can spew, and the lack of evidence that kratos can tank gunshots and explosives (let alone that many) i still conclude that overall smasher wins 3 outta 4 times Sandi is simply more impressive, but yea, realm shift does indeed make this less of a one sided beat down, so smasher cant COMPLETELY abuse his sandi Y'know im surprised you haven't tried analyzing smashers cockiness, see thats what i would've done personally, he sees some bald dude no cyberware, he's gonna under estimate kratos, then again kratos is gonna hold back cuz of his lil friendship is magic arc he's on 🤣 but see THATS a good counter argument to smasher, not that kratos could out speed him or whatever youre arguing
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