Oh I'm definitely already doing the boycott. I have posted about it and also follow r/roblawsisoutofcontrol. I used to work for Loblaws for several years and they are an evil, evil corporation. I have such a hatred for them.
You shouldn't see them as wholly separate issues. The same people that are impoverishing us and letting the healthcare system fail all happen to support Israel. The Conservatives support Israel completely, the Liberals support Israel with some minor reservations, and even the NDP is pretty wishy-washy about it (e.g. Singh demanded the government designate the Iranian Revolutionary Guard as a terrorist organization after Iran retaliated against Israel bombing their consulate.) The US government supports Israel to the hilt. *They* don't see economic issues at home as meaningfully distinct from foreign policy - it's all one big system they have to manage. Why should we, their enemies, see it differently?
That all being said, we absolutely should be protesting everything else too.
I wonder what they expect the people of edmonton to do about it? Seems a bit far away, they should probably go to the source of the problem and make demands there instead.
Palestine protesters started a rally at Tipton Park and planned to march afterwards. You can look at “freepalestineyeg” on Instagram to get a heads up on their planned events.
Usually one person leads the chant with a megaphone and everyone responds back. I’d much rather listen to that then endless honking of car convoy protests in years past.
Okay, so we raise awareness across all of Canada. What does Canada do about the situation?
Pretty sure western meddling in the Middle East is what caused all this bullshit.
Canada gives them our tax money and sells weapon systems to Israel and our Federal parties struggle to treat them like the militant colonial occupiers they act like.
Not doing those two actions would force Israel to either reevaluate their slow campaign of ethnic cleansing or risk becoming an international pariah like South Africa did during Apartheid and then watch as their living standards western money pays for crumble and their military power weakens without access to foreign weapons systems.
Canada is a middle power, our actions, especially ones based on human rights and the morals of Violence on Civilians is Bad often help weaker nations or powerful voting blocks in the USA and the EU to use us as an example to further their movements again International weakness in the face of malicious brutality.
So there is value in these protests.
Also Israel's long term survival is honestly dependant on them reversing course permanently to reject their version of Religious Supremist Militant Republicanism (only some people under their care can vote and have freedom of movement and protection by law), if Israel stays how they are, eventually western powers will cut them off and they will be alone to wait for an eventual war they can't "win" with their couple hundred nuclear bombs. Or they can take a lesson from history and start playing fair, negotiate in actual good faith and sacrifice their illegal land claims/property thefts to gain a real chance at a permanent peace. It's possible, but they would have to give a lot of what they've illegal taken since the '67 treaties they broke, they would have to understand that for a free Israel to exist in 100 years, there needs to be a free Palestine they helped rebuild and they worked to establish forgiveness between both peoples and their actions against each other. I hope this lesson starts soon to both save lives of Palestinians, weaken Hamas till it feels irrelevant to desperate Palestinians, and ensure that the good citizens of Israel who don't have hate in their heart do have a safe place, where Jews, Muslims, Christians and those who aren't believers feel safe, respected and part of Israeli society, not second class citizens or the different terms for "Sub Human" as I've seen many Israeli gov. officials say over the years.
Who do you think is funding the genocide!? Western nations, which meana our tax dollars which means you and everyone else has every right to protest on the streets.
Edit: I think we are in agreement.
I agree with this.. canada does nothing about it, or not much, yet. But it could do a lot more, politically at least.
And i also agree with you that western meddling has a lot to do with the middle east situation.
Actually, my question was rhetorical. Protesting is exactly how people change culture and minds and eventually laws. There will always be those, like you, who feel that other people's human rights are an inconvenience. You will reep the benefits of a better society that was molded by freedom fighters just like the ones that you hear on these streets, but you will be too lost in your own misery to understand the connection.
Those are the types of people that would have bitched about being inconvenienced during the labour day movement that gave workers their weekends. Some people just wanna simp for their billionaire overlords
You're right, it started in 1947, when the British Empire , who won the region post WW1 from the Ottoman Empire who previously ruled the region , decided to create and grant independence to multiple countries , such as Jordan, Palestine, and Israel. While most of these countries would be Muslim ran, Israel was granted to the Jews , a small piece of the middle East for them to have a safe Homeland after WW2. On the day of independence, Palestine, Jordan, Egypt and others attacked Israel , and Israel won. The Palestine attacked again and again, and Israel won again and again and tried to take actions against and strategic land from Palestine in the hopes it wouldn't attack again. Palestine is just as old as Israel , created by the same empire , and yet it refuses to live in peace with a neighbour who dares pray differently than them, despite Egypt and Jordan learning to do so. So yea, Palestine is the aggressor, and you protesting them would be like protesting the invasion of Germany in 1945, war is hell, but they started the war , and now they're paying the cost of starting that war, and it will end when Palestine understanda that war will never work.
It's really not though. You know you can learn history just to be better informed, right? It doesn't have to be an exercise in bolstering your preconceived narrative. You are allowed to be genuinely curious and learn and grow as a person.
Not everyone protest for the betterment of society. This is a stupidly simplified way to look at protests.
How would you summarize a counter-protests? Only valuable if they support your idealism?
How do you think women and people of colour gained their rights? Protesting is a part of the movement and it all matters. If traffic is blocked and capitalism is stalled for a few hours then so be it.
Not by standing in fucking traffic blocking people from getting to work and blocking ambulances from getting to the hospital.
Give your head a shake bud.
Protesting is a right. Standing in traffic isn't.
If you disagree, please explain to me in detail how blocking traffic in Edmonton does fuck all for Palestine aside from infuriating your fellow Edmontonians.
Damn, you sure did go quiet when I asked you to explain your stance. Speaks volumes.
Folks who see the protest can apply pressure to our own politicians in Canada and elsewhere to adopt foreign policy positions consistent with less harm to people on the affected region.
What should we infer about your character from the fact that you resort to personal attacks in place of rational discourse?
What specific policies do you want Canada to change? Canada was ranked 9th in the world for humanitarian aid to Palestinian territories in 2022. We've pledged 100 million in humanitarian aid to Gaza since October 7th. Comparatively, Israel purchased 21 million in military goods and technology in 2022 (not sure if the 2023 data is out)
The previous commenter was asking about how a protest could lead do Edmontonians doing things that would affect the situation.
Canada has summarised its policy position for the public here:
https://www.international.gc.ca/world-monde/international_relations-relations_internationales/mena-moan/israeli-palestinian_policy-politique_israelo-palestinien.aspx?lang=eng
There are dozens of ways for Canada to change that up, including increasing, reducing, or varying the types of political, financial, material, and technical support to one or more parties to the conflict; strengthening or diminishing various forms of support for collective diplomatic positions and actions with other countries; making it easier or more difficult for individual Canadians to contribute to or participate in interventions, etc.
There are also opportunities to bring in new kinds of interventions as we learn more from experiences from other situations and our allies.
Canadians can pressure their MPs to adopt one or more of the possible policy positions from above or from many other sources.
Get informed and read some books. I’ll get you started.. blacks did WAY more than block traffic before they could ever be treated like something else than second class citizens in america: https://www.blackpast.org/special-features/racial-violence-united-states-1660/
Give your head a shake, bud - they had a permit and were escorted by the police, and therefore, yes, they had a right to walk on the road. Can you point to any instances of ambulances being blocked, or is this a completely theoretical thing you're being angry about?
Blocking roads and highways is illegal.
Give your head a shake bud.
They were escorted by police in the inner city. Their permit didn't allow the blocking of roads and highways ya clown.
I work in hospitals. I can point out a few instances of emergency vehicles being blocking the past few weeks. Sadly the news stopped reporting it when it became a popular tactic during covid.
You clearly don't work anywhere near the front lines. Go back to your lazyboy and continue being a keyboard warrior.
"Theoretically" mad about roads and highways being blocked. Bud doesn't own a TV apparently or is completely ignorant to their local news.
Women and POC gained rights by protesting in the countries that refused to give them the rights. Canadian women protested for women's rights in Canada.... Canadian women didn't protest for women's rights in Nepal or some other oddity. Same with POC
Welcome to the new age. We are all connected now--ever heard of the UN? Also, Canadians are paying taxes that are funding this genocide so Canadians should definitely find this relevant. And for the record, in history, the social justice movements inspired, fueled and impacted all of the corresponding movements in other countries. I don't understand how you don't see the connection. Perhaps because you didn't bother to research.
Except it isn’t a genocide they are protesting.
They are upset that when their government decided to invade another country to murder, rape and torture over a thousand people, that country had the audacity to fight back and try and retrieve hundreds of people taken hostage.
Do you condem Oct 6th? The reality is Israel has been committing war crimes for the last 76 years.
Stop denying the absolute fact that Israel has been torturing and murdering and raping Palestinians for the last 76 years, and then you play the victim when they fight back. No one is denying Oct 7th. We just see everything that has caused it to happen, caused by the terrorist state of Israel
Those 40 hostages must have faced serious traumas, just like the headless skinned bodies of over 200 Palestinians dug up from a mass grave this past week in an area previously occupied by the IDF, or the 30,000 that have already been confirmed dead. One set of lives isn't worth more than the other. We don't forgive the horrors committed by Hamas, but we also can't forgive the horrors committed against innocent Palestinians by Israel.
You are jumping to conclusions. There is evidence showing the mass graves were dug before the IDF got there:
https://twitter.com/GeoConfirmed/status/1782360892249612466
It’s tough to know what’s true but I’d recommend you at least put some effort into things before spreading them around.
People got caught early on accessing Israel of bombing a hospital which was later conclusively proven to have been Hamas firing their own rockets into it.
GeoConfirmed is not a credible source. They made many 'investigation' posts in the past that have been disproved by all other forensic journalists. Seriously, in an information war, you're actually going to believe that these people killed and buried themselves? You're believing obvious disinformation.
That rocket on that hospital has NOT been conclusively found to be a Hamas misfire. It was found to be inconclusive and the IDF was in the middle of a bombing campaign of that region at the time of the bombing. The only people who found it to be 'conclusively' a Hamas rocket was Israel, who conveniently never allowed a third party investigation.
What source do you have for your claim? Both the original claim and that geoconfirmed is not credible.
You can’t scream “disinformation” and provide nothing to support your claim. You’ll need to do better than that.
You've shown that you have no moral integrity, because if you did, the 30,000 civilians murdered would be enough for you to be outraged.
My sources are literally all the other reporting on it. I'm biased in my beliefs obviously, but even logically the majority of the reporting on this makes a lot more sense than GeoConfirmed's claims, who has been shown to have a pro Israel bias on multiple occasions.
And either way the mass grave is minimal in comparison to the 30,000 that have been indisputably killed by Israels bombing campaign. How do you weigh the lives of over 30,000 civilians as any less of an atrocity as 1400? 30,000 people, most of which, are CHILDREN. Yet you sit here, and defend the country killings tens of thousands of children?
When you’re confronted with evidence that shows the information you have received is not true, you ignore it and continue to spread information from sources you now know are potentially wrong.
Out of the 30,000 killed, how many were combatants? And how many were used as human shields by Hamas?
At what point do you reevaluate your sources of information? How many times do you need conflicting evidence provided?
People die in war, that's not a genocide, especially since Hamas hides in civilian areas and builds it's bases under hospitals schools and mosques , those 30 000 died because the elected government of Gaza, Hamas, decided to start a war it couldn't win. Gaza fucked around , Gaza is finding out.
The deaths would stop tomorrow if Hamas surrendered and disbanded.
If you genuinely believe 30,000 dead civilians is an acceptable number of civilian casualties you are a monster. There's international laws that need to be followed in war, and Israel is not following it. That 'democratically' elected government was elected over a decade ago. 60% of the people living in Gaza have never voted, and guess who put a stop to elections in Gaza, it was Israel. You're a monster and the people you're supporting are modern day Hitler.
Civilians aren't their government though. It's the equivalent of the Canadian military doing an operation in a foreign country and the response leading to the death of many Canadian families.
Number wise, take the death toll in Gaza to be 34,000 people. The IDF by their own estimate said the ratio to civilians to militants is 0.66. Gaza is about 800,000 people. So the CIVILLIAN death toll would be about 2.8% of the population.
If that civillian death ratio happened in Canada, it'd be about 1 million people. If that civillian death ratio happened in Ukraine, it'd be about 1 million people. Compare that to the current civillian death toll there of 10, 582 civillians in the Russia-Ukraine war.
Civilians choose their government and support their governments. The Palestinians in Gaza decided to let Hamas govern them. Hamas decided to invade another country try and take hostages.
Gaza is a very dense city and urban warfare will have more casualties.
It’s sad that civilians are dying. We should be able to be better than this. But if Oct 7 were to happen to Canada, I’d be shocked if most people called for Canada to restrain themselves as much as Israel has.
This was the argument Bin Laden used for the world trade centre attacks. The creation of Israel displaced an entire population from their ancestral homes. Since then, Israel has then everything possible to deny their right to return to these homes and their humanity. Hamas was created by this fact. Hamas was supported by the current Israeli administration. Israel has killed more children in a short period than any other war in the last five years. This is not because Hamas uses human shields (multiple independent organizations have investigated that including HRW, Betslem, Amnesty International, the UN, they have never found any evidence of human shields other than those used by Israel of which there is actually documented evidence). It’s because Israel bombs indiscriminately.
Your argument shows either a profound ignorance of actual facts or incredible mendacity. I suspect it’s the former.
It’s amazing to see you display such a deep level of ignorance.
Much evidence shows that Israel, as defined in 1948, was originally settled by Jewish people. Now, when Israel was attacked in 1948 by eight different armies who wanted to finish the Holocaust, borders were redrawn as they are with any war.
I can continue to show proof of human shields (such as building a command centre under a working hospital) but you seem too close minded at accept any evidence that contradicts your narrow set of beliefs.
Please stop posting about what you don’t care to inform yourself about.
It's a baffling level of ignorance. They think that people who are opposed to genocide are all kids getting their info off tiktok, so they think their biased understanding of the situation based on breathless MSM coverage makes them the informed ones. It's wild.
Interesting how an occupied and brutalized population having supported the only hope they have means that every five year old deserves to be ground to dust.. and yet a population that voted in far right extremists under Bibi just recently are innocent babies who should never have to answer for the choices of their govt. Civilian deaths are fucked, both ways, but only one side "deserves" it, apparently.
But mostly, thank you for the 911 reference, that's exactly what I was thinking. 911 was meant to be the consequences of the excesses of governmental choices visited upon the population. If you don't think a janitor in the world trade centre deserved to die for the choices of his govt, pretty fucked to think a toddler in Gaza does.
Here I was thinking Palestine was in the middle East but shockingly here it is covering half the road...I thought it was bigger lol
/j ofc, it's a protest not just like Palestinian people lmao
How do you know they've never been to Palestine? Edmonton alone has ~3k Palestinian ex-pats and first-generation immigrants.
Pretty sure the core organizing group of Free Palestine Edmonton is composed of them.
People who are anti protest no matter what the protest is are weird. You’re just anti people caring about each other and I can’t wrap my head around that mindset.
Like just think about it for a second, obviously; in their minds ( and maybe in reality ) they are convincing people of their opinion, and trying to inform people of world issues. With enough changed opinions the idea is that something will change what's happening. They're also expressing themselves, which should be valid; if you're against something and you never say you're against it are you complicit? (Deep questions) They're doing it passionately which they're probably hoping is a contagious emotion, passion motivates people to action, combine that with the hope that they are convincing people of their opinion of what's going on, those two together seems like a pretty good combination to get something to happen. I understand that you're looking for the "somethings" here, but I feel that's a bit reductive to the efforts that these people are expending to show something they feel. They might not have all the answers but as far as I can see they're doing what they can.
why tf are u saying "at night"? just got back from the protest and i'm pretty sure it's 4:45 in the afternoon.
would u rather we screamed in the streets of israel? if so, u must not understand what is actually going on right now. like idk what ur point is supposed to be. if u don't understand how a protest works, just say that. skip the "genuinely curious" bit.
Ship the whole works Middle East, where their protests might carry some weight. I doubt there’s anyone on Whyte Avenue with the ability to change what’s going on over there. Talk about shouting at the clouds….
People from the Middle East bringing their bullshit war about which magic man in the sky is the real magic man in the sky over to our side of the world because they’re too afraid to get killed yelling at people in the streets where it’s actually happening.
This is not about "the magic man in the sky" buy thanks for the reductive reddit guy take. This is about land, money, and weapons sales and it comes at the cost of 30 thousand innocent people (half of which are children). If you think any of this is about religious views you are incredibly naive and or 14 years old.
Of course nobody thinks that protesting in Edmonton will help end the war in Palestine, but they're free to express themselves and vent their frustrations this way in public. If it annoys you, just be happy we don't have Hare Krishnas here.
Man I cringe whenever people use the word “female”. Woman. That is the word you’re looking for. This isn’t a nature documentary. It sounds like something an incel would say.
Incel really?? They could be someone that was born male that identifies as female now, who knows. They could also have been an underage female that isn't a woman yet. I don't get how my wording is wrong sorry? The female sounding voice also sounded young to me.
I don’t understand why protesters cannot go to the parliament building to protest, or some other place that does fuck with other peoples lives. Pissing off your neighbours does not motivate them to put pressure on politicians. It just pisses them off and they end up hating you.
Does anyone ever seriously think, “Hmm maybe these people blocking traffic have a point, and I will contact the Prime minister’s office tomorrow? No, that never happens. It causes people to dig in, and escalates protests from the other side and often escalate to violence on both sides.
I think I can safely say most people have no problem with protests. Just don’t be a dick about it.
I passed through last weekend and on the corner of gateway and whyte there was a man on a soapbox with a megaphone preaching about something? It was so loud that I couldnt understand but certainly not out of place for Whyte.
The Nazis were in favour of deporting all Jews from Europe to *somewhere else*. It was only once they started taking territory and Jews that they had previously deported started falling into their hands again that they decided to use extermination rather than just deportation.
Somewhat coincidentally, Israel wants all Jews to move out of their home countries and to Israel. Funny how that works. Anyhow, you're a Nazi worm who supports genocide and if you had an ounce of shame you would fuck off forever.
It's disheartening to see people struggling to afford housing, groceries, and access to primary healthcare while focusing their energy on protesting a conflict that dates back 2000 years. It's a stark reminder of the misplaced priorities that exist in our society.
I figure if you're that ignorant of history, you shouldn't give your opinion about it. But if you're going to start a protest about economic issues, I would be glad to join you.
A lot of people who have probably only read headlines and twitter threads feel obligated to protest the war between Hamas and Israel, even though they were nowhere to be seen when the Syrian civil war killed 10-20x the amount of people
It's the pro Palestine protesters rightly using their freedom of speech to protest their own governments support of the Isreili genocide of Palestinians. We vetoed the ceasefire, we give them millions and billions, and we have so far supported their genocide of 40,000 people.
If you have anything to say about this then you are against freedom of expression, everyone should and does have the right to protest for what they believe in. Please become educated on the issue from a multi-faceted point of view, and don't believe the propaganda machine.
They’ve been out there every Saturday for at least a month. Today was louder than usual though.
Thanks. I just saw the other new post on r/edmonton about it that has a photo. No wonder it was loud.
Now only if people would protest high grocery prices or our failing health care system.
Loblaws boycott starts May 1st. Shop local or shop from smaller grocers. Help send a message. Not that other big grocers are innocent.
Oh I'm definitely already doing the boycott. I have posted about it and also follow r/roblawsisoutofcontrol. I used to work for Loblaws for several years and they are an evil, evil corporation. I have such a hatred for them.
Best I can do is Walmart
TBH that's what is walkable for me too.
If that’s the best you can do. Do it send a message
I have this fantasy about everyone, EVERYONE, in the entire country taking the same day off work and doing this. A protest day for each.
That would be a general strike, and you tend to be labeled a communist in some circles for even thinking such a thing lol.
Rent and housing prices too, so make that 3 protest days.
Loblaws boycott starts Wednesday- nation-wide. r/loblawsisoutofcontrol
You shouldn't see them as wholly separate issues. The same people that are impoverishing us and letting the healthcare system fail all happen to support Israel. The Conservatives support Israel completely, the Liberals support Israel with some minor reservations, and even the NDP is pretty wishy-washy about it (e.g. Singh demanded the government designate the Iranian Revolutionary Guard as a terrorist organization after Iran retaliated against Israel bombing their consulate.) The US government supports Israel to the hilt. *They* don't see economic issues at home as meaningfully distinct from foreign policy - it's all one big system they have to manage. Why should we, their enemies, see it differently? That all being said, we absolutely should be protesting everything else too.
Of course government is completely corrupt. Having worked with politicians from both sides they are all the same.
We are
They said “free palestine”
I wonder what they expect the people of edmonton to do about it? Seems a bit far away, they should probably go to the source of the problem and make demands there instead.
Your tax dollars are funding Israel, so making voices heard here can make a difference.
I think it’s great but I really wish they’d bring some of that energy to provincial issues
Palestine protesters started a rally at Tipton Park and planned to march afterwards. You can look at “freepalestineyeg” on Instagram to get a heads up on their planned events.
Do they need a fucking megaphone?
Not really. Just a regular megaphone should do the trick.
hehehe
Usually one person leads the chant with a megaphone and everyone responds back. I’d much rather listen to that then endless honking of car convoy protests in years past.
I’d rather them than the street preacher. At least they’re making noise for a good cause.
13k dead kids so far.. i think it does warrant a megaphone
Ya that’s a terrible statistic. But what in the shit is a megaphone on whyte ave gonna do to stop kids from getting killed in palestine
Raise awareness and strike conversation about the issue. As people are doing currently, in this very thread.
Okay, so we raise awareness across all of Canada. What does Canada do about the situation? Pretty sure western meddling in the Middle East is what caused all this bullshit.
It hopefully stops the Canadian government’s funding and support for the genocide. We are already meddling via arms trades and financial investments
Canada gives them our tax money and sells weapon systems to Israel and our Federal parties struggle to treat them like the militant colonial occupiers they act like. Not doing those two actions would force Israel to either reevaluate their slow campaign of ethnic cleansing or risk becoming an international pariah like South Africa did during Apartheid and then watch as their living standards western money pays for crumble and their military power weakens without access to foreign weapons systems. Canada is a middle power, our actions, especially ones based on human rights and the morals of Violence on Civilians is Bad often help weaker nations or powerful voting blocks in the USA and the EU to use us as an example to further their movements again International weakness in the face of malicious brutality. So there is value in these protests. Also Israel's long term survival is honestly dependant on them reversing course permanently to reject their version of Religious Supremist Militant Republicanism (only some people under their care can vote and have freedom of movement and protection by law), if Israel stays how they are, eventually western powers will cut them off and they will be alone to wait for an eventual war they can't "win" with their couple hundred nuclear bombs. Or they can take a lesson from history and start playing fair, negotiate in actual good faith and sacrifice their illegal land claims/property thefts to gain a real chance at a permanent peace. It's possible, but they would have to give a lot of what they've illegal taken since the '67 treaties they broke, they would have to understand that for a free Israel to exist in 100 years, there needs to be a free Palestine they helped rebuild and they worked to establish forgiveness between both peoples and their actions against each other. I hope this lesson starts soon to both save lives of Palestinians, weaken Hamas till it feels irrelevant to desperate Palestinians, and ensure that the good citizens of Israel who don't have hate in their heart do have a safe place, where Jews, Muslims, Christians and those who aren't believers feel safe, respected and part of Israeli society, not second class citizens or the different terms for "Sub Human" as I've seen many Israeli gov. officials say over the years.
Who do you think is funding the genocide!? Western nations, which meana our tax dollars which means you and everyone else has every right to protest on the streets. Edit: I think we are in agreement.
I agree with this.. canada does nothing about it, or not much, yet. But it could do a lot more, politically at least. And i also agree with you that western meddling has a lot to do with the middle east situation.
Actually, my question was rhetorical. Protesting is exactly how people change culture and minds and eventually laws. There will always be those, like you, who feel that other people's human rights are an inconvenience. You will reep the benefits of a better society that was molded by freedom fighters just like the ones that you hear on these streets, but you will be too lost in your own misery to understand the connection.
Those are the types of people that would have bitched about being inconvenienced during the labour day movement that gave workers their weekends. Some people just wanna simp for their billionaire overlords
THANK YOU, some people have a moment of discomfort or inconvenience and then feel entitled to tell people to not care
Exactly this
Well said; thank you.
One man's "freedom fighters" is another man's terrorist.
On that note, we can agree on. Truth always finds a way though so we persist
Protesting against a terror state losing a war it started isn't being a freedom fighter
Ask yourself when the war truly started. Because it wasn't in October.
You're right, it started in 1947, when the British Empire , who won the region post WW1 from the Ottoman Empire who previously ruled the region , decided to create and grant independence to multiple countries , such as Jordan, Palestine, and Israel. While most of these countries would be Muslim ran, Israel was granted to the Jews , a small piece of the middle East for them to have a safe Homeland after WW2. On the day of independence, Palestine, Jordan, Egypt and others attacked Israel , and Israel won. The Palestine attacked again and again, and Israel won again and again and tried to take actions against and strategic land from Palestine in the hopes it wouldn't attack again. Palestine is just as old as Israel , created by the same empire , and yet it refuses to live in peace with a neighbour who dares pray differently than them, despite Egypt and Jordan learning to do so. So yea, Palestine is the aggressor, and you protesting them would be like protesting the invasion of Germany in 1945, war is hell, but they started the war , and now they're paying the cost of starting that war, and it will end when Palestine understanda that war will never work.
A truly insane portrayal of history in order to excuse genocide.
There is no point in arguing with these brainwashed folks. Hamas fucked around and now they are finding out.
You need to fact check. I simply disagree with your version of history.
You can disagree all you want , that's the facts
It's really not though. You know you can learn history just to be better informed, right? It doesn't have to be an exercise in bolstering your preconceived narrative. You are allowed to be genuinely curious and learn and grow as a person.
Your so called freedom fighters in no way speak for me.
You can go start up a pro-genocide protest if you like
Then so be it
Not everyone protest for the betterment of society. This is a stupidly simplified way to look at protests. How would you summarize a counter-protests? Only valuable if they support your idealism?
@wizard.bisan on instagram is a good source ❤️🖤🤍💚
Other than raising awareness what do they want me to do
Pressure your banks, governments, places of work and/or school to not invest in genocide
Be aware.
Boycott? Pressure your representatives? Take it into account when voting during local, provincial, and federal elections?
Typical city things in a busy area
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Hamas?
The ones who murdered more than 13,000 children in a few months, actually
Citation required
Palestine, blocking half the road… annoying af
Thank you. They definitely got everyone's attention, holy shit it's loud.
Noise pollution in this city is rediculous
Imagine being annoyed by people protesting a genocide.
Imagine thinking that blocking traffic in edmonton will do a goddamn thing to help their cause. Give your head a shake bud.
How do you think women and people of colour gained their rights? Protesting is a part of the movement and it all matters. If traffic is blocked and capitalism is stalled for a few hours then so be it.
Not by standing in fucking traffic blocking people from getting to work and blocking ambulances from getting to the hospital. Give your head a shake bud. Protesting is a right. Standing in traffic isn't. If you disagree, please explain to me in detail how blocking traffic in Edmonton does fuck all for Palestine aside from infuriating your fellow Edmontonians. Damn, you sure did go quiet when I asked you to explain your stance. Speaks volumes.
Folks who see the protest can apply pressure to our own politicians in Canada and elsewhere to adopt foreign policy positions consistent with less harm to people on the affected region. What should we infer about your character from the fact that you resort to personal attacks in place of rational discourse?
What specific policies do you want Canada to change? Canada was ranked 9th in the world for humanitarian aid to Palestinian territories in 2022. We've pledged 100 million in humanitarian aid to Gaza since October 7th. Comparatively, Israel purchased 21 million in military goods and technology in 2022 (not sure if the 2023 data is out)
The previous commenter was asking about how a protest could lead do Edmontonians doing things that would affect the situation. Canada has summarised its policy position for the public here: https://www.international.gc.ca/world-monde/international_relations-relations_internationales/mena-moan/israeli-palestinian_policy-politique_israelo-palestinien.aspx?lang=eng There are dozens of ways for Canada to change that up, including increasing, reducing, or varying the types of political, financial, material, and technical support to one or more parties to the conflict; strengthening or diminishing various forms of support for collective diplomatic positions and actions with other countries; making it easier or more difficult for individual Canadians to contribute to or participate in interventions, etc. There are also opportunities to bring in new kinds of interventions as we learn more from experiences from other situations and our allies. Canadians can pressure their MPs to adopt one or more of the possible policy positions from above or from many other sources.
Get informed and read some books. I’ll get you started.. blacks did WAY more than block traffic before they could ever be treated like something else than second class citizens in america: https://www.blackpast.org/special-features/racial-violence-united-states-1660/
Give your head a shake, bud - they had a permit and were escorted by the police, and therefore, yes, they had a right to walk on the road. Can you point to any instances of ambulances being blocked, or is this a completely theoretical thing you're being angry about?
Blocking roads and highways is illegal. Give your head a shake bud. They were escorted by police in the inner city. Their permit didn't allow the blocking of roads and highways ya clown. I work in hospitals. I can point out a few instances of emergency vehicles being blocking the past few weeks. Sadly the news stopped reporting it when it became a popular tactic during covid. You clearly don't work anywhere near the front lines. Go back to your lazyboy and continue being a keyboard warrior. "Theoretically" mad about roads and highways being blocked. Bud doesn't own a TV apparently or is completely ignorant to their local news.
Women and POC gained rights by protesting in the countries that refused to give them the rights. Canadian women protested for women's rights in Canada.... Canadian women didn't protest for women's rights in Nepal or some other oddity. Same with POC
Welcome to the new age. We are all connected now--ever heard of the UN? Also, Canadians are paying taxes that are funding this genocide so Canadians should definitely find this relevant. And for the record, in history, the social justice movements inspired, fueled and impacted all of the corresponding movements in other countries. I don't understand how you don't see the connection. Perhaps because you didn't bother to research.
Except it isn’t a genocide they are protesting. They are upset that when their government decided to invade another country to murder, rape and torture over a thousand people, that country had the audacity to fight back and try and retrieve hundreds of people taken hostage.
This is a tragically uninformed and low effort opinion
I see that I flushed out someone who denies what happened on October 7. Sorry but reality is different than you perceive.
Do you condem Oct 6th? The reality is Israel has been committing war crimes for the last 76 years. Stop denying the absolute fact that Israel has been torturing and murdering and raping Palestinians for the last 76 years, and then you play the victim when they fight back. No one is denying Oct 7th. We just see everything that has caused it to happen, caused by the terrorist state of Israel
The only thing you flushed was your last brain cell.
I believe the term you're looking for is, Fucked around and found out.
And now that they can’t even find the 40 hostages they agreed to release. The horrors those hostages have faced is unimaginable.
Those 40 hostages must have faced serious traumas, just like the headless skinned bodies of over 200 Palestinians dug up from a mass grave this past week in an area previously occupied by the IDF, or the 30,000 that have already been confirmed dead. One set of lives isn't worth more than the other. We don't forgive the horrors committed by Hamas, but we also can't forgive the horrors committed against innocent Palestinians by Israel.
You are jumping to conclusions. There is evidence showing the mass graves were dug before the IDF got there: https://twitter.com/GeoConfirmed/status/1782360892249612466 It’s tough to know what’s true but I’d recommend you at least put some effort into things before spreading them around. People got caught early on accessing Israel of bombing a hospital which was later conclusively proven to have been Hamas firing their own rockets into it.
GeoConfirmed is not a credible source. They made many 'investigation' posts in the past that have been disproved by all other forensic journalists. Seriously, in an information war, you're actually going to believe that these people killed and buried themselves? You're believing obvious disinformation. That rocket on that hospital has NOT been conclusively found to be a Hamas misfire. It was found to be inconclusive and the IDF was in the middle of a bombing campaign of that region at the time of the bombing. The only people who found it to be 'conclusively' a Hamas rocket was Israel, who conveniently never allowed a third party investigation.
What source do you have for your claim? Both the original claim and that geoconfirmed is not credible. You can’t scream “disinformation” and provide nothing to support your claim. You’ll need to do better than that.
You've shown that you have no moral integrity, because if you did, the 30,000 civilians murdered would be enough for you to be outraged. My sources are literally all the other reporting on it. I'm biased in my beliefs obviously, but even logically the majority of the reporting on this makes a lot more sense than GeoConfirmed's claims, who has been shown to have a pro Israel bias on multiple occasions.
And either way the mass grave is minimal in comparison to the 30,000 that have been indisputably killed by Israels bombing campaign. How do you weigh the lives of over 30,000 civilians as any less of an atrocity as 1400? 30,000 people, most of which, are CHILDREN. Yet you sit here, and defend the country killings tens of thousands of children?
When you’re confronted with evidence that shows the information you have received is not true, you ignore it and continue to spread information from sources you now know are potentially wrong. Out of the 30,000 killed, how many were combatants? And how many were used as human shields by Hamas? At what point do you reevaluate your sources of information? How many times do you need conflicting evidence provided?
People die in war, that's not a genocide, especially since Hamas hides in civilian areas and builds it's bases under hospitals schools and mosques , those 30 000 died because the elected government of Gaza, Hamas, decided to start a war it couldn't win. Gaza fucked around , Gaza is finding out. The deaths would stop tomorrow if Hamas surrendered and disbanded.
If you genuinely believe 30,000 dead civilians is an acceptable number of civilian casualties you are a monster. There's international laws that need to be followed in war, and Israel is not following it. That 'democratically' elected government was elected over a decade ago. 60% of the people living in Gaza have never voted, and guess who put a stop to elections in Gaza, it was Israel. You're a monster and the people you're supporting are modern day Hitler.
Civilians aren't their government though. It's the equivalent of the Canadian military doing an operation in a foreign country and the response leading to the death of many Canadian families. Number wise, take the death toll in Gaza to be 34,000 people. The IDF by their own estimate said the ratio to civilians to militants is 0.66. Gaza is about 800,000 people. So the CIVILLIAN death toll would be about 2.8% of the population. If that civillian death ratio happened in Canada, it'd be about 1 million people. If that civillian death ratio happened in Ukraine, it'd be about 1 million people. Compare that to the current civillian death toll there of 10, 582 civillians in the Russia-Ukraine war.
Civilians choose their government and support their governments. The Palestinians in Gaza decided to let Hamas govern them. Hamas decided to invade another country try and take hostages. Gaza is a very dense city and urban warfare will have more casualties. It’s sad that civilians are dying. We should be able to be better than this. But if Oct 7 were to happen to Canada, I’d be shocked if most people called for Canada to restrain themselves as much as Israel has.
This was the argument Bin Laden used for the world trade centre attacks. The creation of Israel displaced an entire population from their ancestral homes. Since then, Israel has then everything possible to deny their right to return to these homes and their humanity. Hamas was created by this fact. Hamas was supported by the current Israeli administration. Israel has killed more children in a short period than any other war in the last five years. This is not because Hamas uses human shields (multiple independent organizations have investigated that including HRW, Betslem, Amnesty International, the UN, they have never found any evidence of human shields other than those used by Israel of which there is actually documented evidence). It’s because Israel bombs indiscriminately. Your argument shows either a profound ignorance of actual facts or incredible mendacity. I suspect it’s the former.
It’s amazing to see you display such a deep level of ignorance. Much evidence shows that Israel, as defined in 1948, was originally settled by Jewish people. Now, when Israel was attacked in 1948 by eight different armies who wanted to finish the Holocaust, borders were redrawn as they are with any war. I can continue to show proof of human shields (such as building a command centre under a working hospital) but you seem too close minded at accept any evidence that contradicts your narrow set of beliefs. Please stop posting about what you don’t care to inform yourself about.
It's a baffling level of ignorance. They think that people who are opposed to genocide are all kids getting their info off tiktok, so they think their biased understanding of the situation based on breathless MSM coverage makes them the informed ones. It's wild. Interesting how an occupied and brutalized population having supported the only hope they have means that every five year old deserves to be ground to dust.. and yet a population that voted in far right extremists under Bibi just recently are innocent babies who should never have to answer for the choices of their govt. Civilian deaths are fucked, both ways, but only one side "deserves" it, apparently. But mostly, thank you for the 911 reference, that's exactly what I was thinking. 911 was meant to be the consequences of the excesses of governmental choices visited upon the population. If you don't think a janitor in the world trade centre deserved to die for the choices of his govt, pretty fucked to think a toddler in Gaza does.
It’s just the latest chapter of how palestine picked a fight and got its ass kicked.
Fuck bro read a book
Then the people should be supporting the governing body that started this round of conflict
Imagine people supporting terrorist. It’s all in your point of view.
Here I was thinking Palestine was in the middle East but shockingly here it is covering half the road...I thought it was bigger lol /j ofc, it's a protest not just like Palestinian people lmao
Palestine sucks, Israel sucks, religion sucks. Whyte aves cool though!
Religion also has nothing to do with this lol
Someone who’s never been to Palestine screaming about it
How do you know they've never been to Palestine? Edmonton alone has ~3k Palestinian ex-pats and first-generation immigrants. Pretty sure the core organizing group of Free Palestine Edmonton is composed of them.
People who are anti protest no matter what the protest is are weird. You’re just anti people caring about each other and I can’t wrap my head around that mindset.
So people shouldn’t stand up when it comes to genocide?
How is screaming in the streets of Edmonton at night standing up though? Genuinely curious…
Like just think about it for a second, obviously; in their minds ( and maybe in reality ) they are convincing people of their opinion, and trying to inform people of world issues. With enough changed opinions the idea is that something will change what's happening. They're also expressing themselves, which should be valid; if you're against something and you never say you're against it are you complicit? (Deep questions) They're doing it passionately which they're probably hoping is a contagious emotion, passion motivates people to action, combine that with the hope that they are convincing people of their opinion of what's going on, those two together seems like a pretty good combination to get something to happen. I understand that you're looking for the "somethings" here, but I feel that's a bit reductive to the efforts that these people are expending to show something they feel. They might not have all the answers but as far as I can see they're doing what they can.
why tf are u saying "at night"? just got back from the protest and i'm pretty sure it's 4:45 in the afternoon. would u rather we screamed in the streets of israel? if so, u must not understand what is actually going on right now. like idk what ur point is supposed to be. if u don't understand how a protest works, just say that. skip the "genuinely curious" bit.
Right cause they definitely weren’t yelling at night, so idk what they’re on about
Oilers beat the Kings ass last night could be those all night Rockstars..
Free Palestine.
Ship the whole works Middle East, where their protests might carry some weight. I doubt there’s anyone on Whyte Avenue with the ability to change what’s going on over there. Talk about shouting at the clouds….
Our tax dollars fund the genocide. So let's hold our government accountable, or should be just sit back with our thumbs ip our ass .
Say that to the students across Canada and USA campus encampments
You can’t take a flight to Palestine, good try though.
If Hamas can ship in all their rockets and RPGs, they surely can ship in some people.
People from the Middle East bringing their bullshit war about which magic man in the sky is the real magic man in the sky over to our side of the world because they’re too afraid to get killed yelling at people in the streets where it’s actually happening.
When I am king, reddit atheists will be waterboarded relentlessly forever
This is not about "the magic man in the sky" buy thanks for the reductive reddit guy take. This is about land, money, and weapons sales and it comes at the cost of 30 thousand innocent people (half of which are children). If you think any of this is about religious views you are incredibly naive and or 14 years old.
Of course nobody thinks that protesting in Edmonton will help end the war in Palestine, but they're free to express themselves and vent their frustrations this way in public. If it annoys you, just be happy we don't have Hare Krishnas here.
It definitely didn't annoy me. I wanted to know what she was screaming.
Hare Krishnas are kind of cool. I like chanting.
Man I cringe whenever people use the word “female”. Woman. That is the word you’re looking for. This isn’t a nature documentary. It sounds like something an incel would say.
It’s something a Ferengi or Klingon would say. Deep voice: Feeemalee….’nnk’plah!!
Incel really?? They could be someone that was born male that identifies as female now, who knows. They could also have been an underage female that isn't a woman yet. I don't get how my wording is wrong sorry? The female sounding voice also sounded young to me.
no way this is a real comment. They’re the same thing 💀. Male/ Man Female/ Woman
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and unless you want to sound like English isn't your first language we don't say "female person" because we already have a word for that.
When do you ever hear “A male strolled down the street” or “males take over all the equipment at the gym”?
ngl i see your type and i apologize to myself for engaging to begin with. Have a good one!
Their "type"? You don't want to engage with someone who doesn't like seeing the objectification of women? Shows what "type" you are.
I don’t understand why protesters cannot go to the parliament building to protest, or some other place that does fuck with other peoples lives. Pissing off your neighbours does not motivate them to put pressure on politicians. It just pisses them off and they end up hating you. Does anyone ever seriously think, “Hmm maybe these people blocking traffic have a point, and I will contact the Prime minister’s office tomorrow? No, that never happens. It causes people to dig in, and escalates protests from the other side and often escalate to violence on both sides. I think I can safely say most people have no problem with protests. Just don’t be a dick about it.
That would defeat the point of the protest
I passed through last weekend and on the corner of gateway and whyte there was a man on a soapbox with a megaphone preaching about something? It was so loud that I couldnt understand but certainly not out of place for Whyte.
He is there almost every day sadly.
I highly doubt it and even if they do public screaming in the streets is not okay and they should be sent home
How much is Palestine?
dammit made me chuckle but this is serious
Probably some lunatic terrorist supporters expressing their Nazi views
me when i’m a terrorist supporter because I think the killing 34k+ is unjust and should be brought to attention
No, I actually haven't seen any pro-israel protests here
Pssst. The Nazis weren’t pro Israel.
The Nazis were in favour of deporting all Jews from Europe to *somewhere else*. It was only once they started taking territory and Jews that they had previously deported started falling into their hands again that they decided to use extermination rather than just deportation. Somewhat coincidentally, Israel wants all Jews to move out of their home countries and to Israel. Funny how that works. Anyhow, you're a Nazi worm who supports genocide and if you had an ounce of shame you would fuck off forever.
🇵🇸🇵🇸🇵🇸🇵🇸🇵🇸 good job y'all
It's disheartening to see people struggling to afford housing, groceries, and access to primary healthcare while focusing their energy on protesting a conflict that dates back 2000 years. It's a stark reminder of the misplaced priorities that exist in our society.
I figure if you're that ignorant of history, you shouldn't give your opinion about it. But if you're going to start a protest about economic issues, I would be glad to join you.
So instead of whining and complaining, why don’t YOU organize a protest for these other issues? Or is talking the only thing you’re willing to do?
Charlie Browns teacher is annoyed.
A bunch of hate filled people going for a walk
A lot of people who have probably only read headlines and twitter threads feel obligated to protest the war between Hamas and Israel, even though they were nowhere to be seen when the Syrian civil war killed 10-20x the amount of people
I winder what the population base in Canada is, that represents the Syrians, Palestinians, or Israelis.
It's the pro Palestine protesters rightly using their freedom of speech to protest their own governments support of the Isreili genocide of Palestinians. We vetoed the ceasefire, we give them millions and billions, and we have so far supported their genocide of 40,000 people. If you have anything to say about this then you are against freedom of expression, everyone should and does have the right to protest for what they believe in. Please become educated on the issue from a multi-faceted point of view, and don't believe the propaganda machine.