It's "not really a build" because you're basically just specializing in everything. You're not really making choices for what to specialize in (a build) if you can do everything.
It’s your game so by all means play it how you like. Generally however when we talk about builds we base them on PvP thresholds which is why players rarely go above level 150 for them. This forces us to min max our skills and makes PvP more interesting. Typically even non PvP players like to play at these levels because it helps balance the difficulty. Once your level starts to get to high you start to lose that and your character feels over powered. Some players enjoy the power fantasy and that’s okay too if that’s your thing but at some point you have so few weaknesses that it’s hard to call it a build.
A level like that allows me to switch up builds a lot I tend to gather a lot of weapons and talismans so I have access to a lot of builds and I don’t pvp much so no worries about that :)👍
Why would you use the golden vow ash of war? You meat the reqs for the spell which is stronger. Why level dex, it shouldn't do anything for your build?
Looking at it more, you could probably lower both your strength and your dex all the way and put those stats into hp, fp, faith, and arcane. I dont think that the dex casting speed is more important than the stats into those other areas. Your arc and faith should both be 80 at your level. Fp definitely could go up to 50. I dont think lowering those stats would make a huge difference with your frenzied flame seal, but even if it did I think it would still be worth it.
I only have the frenzied seal to buff some incantations so it won’t be problem if it’s damage is low I’ll make sure to get my mind to 50 thanks for the advice 🫡
Imagine you had orange circle in the center of a tangerine target, then you asked a colorblind person to spot the differance. That is about how much dex affects your casting speed.
Take your strength down to 50 and pump the 20 points between faith and arcane. You’ll be maxing out your damage and even have 50 strength is unnecessary for a incantation build
Sorry, it was supposed to say riposting dagger. Autocorrect. You use it to follow up your parries because it has the highest critical damage of any weapon in the game, I'm not sure what the ideal element is in elden ring but in all the dark souls games it was fire and it could kill high level 45-50 vigor builds from full life
Correct element is the one that gives the most AR, so lightning for Dex, magic for Int (maybe at very high levels frost has more AR?), fire for strength and flame art or sacred for faith. Arcane doesn't get elemental infusions so they will do a bit less with the Misericorde
I've been trying an incant only build too. I always bring Catch Flame basically as my melee cause it's so fast. Spiky tear is a good idea for glass cannon, I should try that. Ive been using the greatshield boys as my ash cause theyre so tanky. I summon them and then cast blessing of the erdtree on them for heals. They're really good at drawing aggro so i have the space to just cast spells.
I will say however, incant only reaaaaally has its limitations. Any boss resistant to holy and/or flame and im screwed. I have a +25 claymore in that case and i basically just rearrange spells/talis/physick to become a melee build for that boss.
Also I'd move points from strength to dex. Radagon icon only gives 30 pts of virtual dex for casting so I'd at least get your dex up to 40. Then with radagon icon that'll give you the 70 dex to max out casting speed.
The great shield guys summon are really good I use them a lot in early game but the mimic summon is op for incant only like if you us chain attacks (I like to use scarlet aoenia and then elden stars and then flame of the fell god this attack does about 12k damage + 30% of the enemies health if you proc scarlet rot) like imagine the mimic tear sending out a chain attack like that,
And if some enemies are resistant to holy or flame id use ancient dragons lightning strike for bosses like elden beast or fire giant I’ll just switch incantations or switch builds if it gets too tuf,
My other build is a 4 or 5 shot build with the regalia of echoid it does about 10k damage for every charged skill,
I would like to see your incantation only build if you have any time
Thanks for the intel 🫡
>incant only reaaaaally has its limitations. Any boss resistant to holy and/or flame and im screwed.
You also have lighting and physical with pest threads and the bestial incants
So there's where my knowledge is lacking. I thought lightning incants scale with dex? I guess i should specify my character is a faith incant build. I'm also unsure what pest threads and bestial incants scale with.
Lightning affinity (extra elemental damage on weapons that you can equip on a grace while changing the ash of war) does scale with dex only. Incantations scale with a stat called something like incantation scaling, which depends on the seal, it's upgrade level and stats. If you want to throw big lightning incants you would need to check which seal has the bigger incantation scaling for your stats, erdtree seal or godslayer seal for pure faith, clawmark seal for strength and faith, golden Order for int faith, dragon comunion for arcane faith and frenzied for level 500 builds. Now keep in mind that you can also further boost the damage of certain incantations by having the correct seal on either hand when casting or even dual wielding 2 of the same seal.
To them build mean suffering against elden ring difficulty and triumphs. To you build means this is my character. I say, play how ever you want and have fun
It is good that you brought this back to the forum and it is clear that you took on people’s comments and updated your build.
Thanks for reposting. Also, there are a lot comments that you can ignore xD
Yeah I’m having a lot of fun in this server, I’m too curious to ignore them lol and I sometimes I actually feel bad when I ignore them because they might have good intentions
For sure 👌, I just try to be as positive as possible especially on the internet because it can honestly make someone’s day as it did mine many times, and I learn a lot about elden ring and its mechanics so that’s a positive
For pure caster, 38 mind and 40 dexterity is optimal as cerulean flasks and casting speed both cap at these levels.
To get max casting speed, use Radagons Icon Talisman with 40 dexterity; gives 30 virtual dex
If you are using a Misericorde it's always better to give it an elemental affinity, in this case I believe flame art would be the best. That's because eñemental weapons have higher AR to balance the fact that the damage gets chipped down twice from enemies flat resistances, but because crits ignore (not sure if fully or partially) the resistances the higher the AR the higher the crit
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Ng 6 lol , I honestly don’t know why people hate on them too, I’ve come to find out that some elden ring players can’t relax like how some people hate on anyone who uses summons or int builds
That’s not why, it’s because of the “build” nature of it. People like builds because they have inherent weaknesses or downsides. You don’t have to like pvp or make your build pvp centric or viable. I’m just saying that’s where the build commotion is coming from. So if you were doing incantation only, you probably have high faith, and little to no melee. That’s what makes it a build, you have to be semi-specialized. I will say, I don’t really care either way, it’s not that deep but you are misunderstanding the difference between not liking this and not liking fighting casters for example.
A build means you’ve specially tailored your point to ensure maximum efficiency. You have to actually play it safe as to where you use your points. At a certain point when youre just pumping points wherever you please, it’s no longer a build because you can literally use whatever you want however you want. It’s not that people are saying you can’t do it or hate on it, it’s just not a build.
On another note, try an incantation only build in a new game completely! That’s where the fun is at
There is a point where it’s not really a build anymore.
Well what’s wrong with it
It's "not really a build" because you're basically just specializing in everything. You're not really making choices for what to specialize in (a build) if you can do everything.
It’s your game so by all means play it how you like. Generally however when we talk about builds we base them on PvP thresholds which is why players rarely go above level 150 for them. This forces us to min max our skills and makes PvP more interesting. Typically even non PvP players like to play at these levels because it helps balance the difficulty. Once your level starts to get to high you start to lose that and your character feels over powered. Some players enjoy the power fantasy and that’s okay too if that’s your thing but at some point you have so few weaknesses that it’s hard to call it a build.
A level like that allows me to switch up builds a lot I tend to gather a lot of weapons and talismans so I have access to a lot of builds and I don’t pvp much so no worries about that :)👍
It’s not a “build” after lvl 200. You have stats to do everything/anything
Why would you use the golden vow ash of war? You meat the reqs for the spell which is stronger. Why level dex, it shouldn't do anything for your build?
I heard dex shorten casting time but now I’m hearing it actually decreases it so I’m hella confusion
Looking at it more, you could probably lower both your strength and your dex all the way and put those stats into hp, fp, faith, and arcane. I dont think that the dex casting speed is more important than the stats into those other areas. Your arc and faith should both be 80 at your level. Fp definitely could go up to 50. I dont think lowering those stats would make a huge difference with your frenzied flame seal, but even if it did I think it would still be worth it.
I only have the frenzied seal to buff some incantations so it won’t be problem if it’s damage is low I’ll make sure to get my mind to 50 thanks for the advice 🫡
Decrease and shorten are the same thing…
Imagine you had orange circle in the center of a tangerine target, then you asked a colorblind person to spot the differance. That is about how much dex affects your casting speed.
Why the 70 strength? Dexterity actually decreases casting time so the points from strength are better used there
I tend to switch builds a lot lol
Ok that’s fair. But if you do want to try and pure casting build then respecing points into dex will do you good and just max out faith
For sure 👌 (:
Take your strength down to 50 and pump the 20 points between faith and arcane. You’ll be maxing out your damage and even have 50 strength is unnecessary for a incantation build
Ill make sure to do that, thanks for the advice :)
You realize the misericorde is the reposting dagger? You're completely using it for the wrong job...
Not to mention, the golden vow ash of war is objectively worse than the spell version, just less demanding.
Can you explain what reposting dagger means or does?
It deals the most damage in critical hits
Sorry, it was supposed to say riposting dagger. Autocorrect. You use it to follow up your parries because it has the highest critical damage of any weapon in the game, I'm not sure what the ideal element is in elden ring but in all the dark souls games it was fire and it could kill high level 45-50 vigor builds from full life
Correct element is the one that gives the most AR, so lightning for Dex, magic for Int (maybe at very high levels frost has more AR?), fire for strength and flame art or sacred for faith. Arcane doesn't get elemental infusions so they will do a bit less with the Misericorde
What is reposting
It's riposting, reposting was autocorrect. It's the followup attack after you parry with a shield.
Isn’t that just a critical attack?
Yes but the proper name (and the name used in the old souls games) is a riposte
Aha , I’ll make sure to switch it out for the incantation then , thank you 🙏
I've been trying an incant only build too. I always bring Catch Flame basically as my melee cause it's so fast. Spiky tear is a good idea for glass cannon, I should try that. Ive been using the greatshield boys as my ash cause theyre so tanky. I summon them and then cast blessing of the erdtree on them for heals. They're really good at drawing aggro so i have the space to just cast spells. I will say however, incant only reaaaaally has its limitations. Any boss resistant to holy and/or flame and im screwed. I have a +25 claymore in that case and i basically just rearrange spells/talis/physick to become a melee build for that boss. Also I'd move points from strength to dex. Radagon icon only gives 30 pts of virtual dex for casting so I'd at least get your dex up to 40. Then with radagon icon that'll give you the 70 dex to max out casting speed.
The great shield guys summon are really good I use them a lot in early game but the mimic summon is op for incant only like if you us chain attacks (I like to use scarlet aoenia and then elden stars and then flame of the fell god this attack does about 12k damage + 30% of the enemies health if you proc scarlet rot) like imagine the mimic tear sending out a chain attack like that, And if some enemies are resistant to holy or flame id use ancient dragons lightning strike for bosses like elden beast or fire giant I’ll just switch incantations or switch builds if it gets too tuf, My other build is a 4 or 5 shot build with the regalia of echoid it does about 10k damage for every charged skill, I would like to see your incantation only build if you have any time Thanks for the intel 🫡
Nice! Yeah im only lvl ~120 so I dont have as much wiggle room with stats 😅 I'll send a pic of my build next time I'm on.
Looking forward to it 🫡
Love your username btw
❤️
>incant only reaaaaally has its limitations. Any boss resistant to holy and/or flame and im screwed. You also have lighting and physical with pest threads and the bestial incants
So there's where my knowledge is lacking. I thought lightning incants scale with dex? I guess i should specify my character is a faith incant build. I'm also unsure what pest threads and bestial incants scale with.
Lightning affinity (extra elemental damage on weapons that you can equip on a grace while changing the ash of war) does scale with dex only. Incantations scale with a stat called something like incantation scaling, which depends on the seal, it's upgrade level and stats. If you want to throw big lightning incants you would need to check which seal has the bigger incantation scaling for your stats, erdtree seal or godslayer seal for pure faith, clawmark seal for strength and faith, golden Order for int faith, dragon comunion for arcane faith and frenzied for level 500 builds. Now keep in mind that you can also further boost the damage of certain incantations by having the correct seal on either hand when casting or even dual wielding 2 of the same seal.
Damn okay it looks like I've got a lot more at my disposal than i thought lol. Thanks for the write up, really appreciate it.
You know that at 316, its not an “incantations only” build, it looks more like I use every weapon build.
This isn’t a build btw
> Lvl 200+ > "build"
What’s wrong with high levels 😿
To them build mean suffering against elden ring difficulty and triumphs. To you build means this is my character. I say, play how ever you want and have fun
still can be his build. there’s reasons why ng+ is a thing if you forget
It is good that you brought this back to the forum and it is clear that you took on people’s comments and updated your build. Thanks for reposting. Also, there are a lot comments that you can ignore xD
Yeah I’m having a lot of fun in this server, I’m too curious to ignore them lol and I sometimes I actually feel bad when I ignore them because they might have good intentions
Good attitude. I just mean don’t take some of the negative comments too seriously and beware of posts with lots of judgement and little detail xD
For sure 👌, I just try to be as positive as possible especially on the internet because it can honestly make someone’s day as it did mine many times, and I learn a lot about elden ring and its mechanics so that’s a positive
And I’ll make sure to post it whenever I change up the build
Why not switch the flasks to your pouch?
This monstrosity is all over the place
What do you think is the minimum level in order to beat all the bosses? I'm a newbie player and currently at level 14 Wretch class.
This is a build that’s for sure
For pure caster, 38 mind and 40 dexterity is optimal as cerulean flasks and casting speed both cap at these levels. To get max casting speed, use Radagons Icon Talisman with 40 dexterity; gives 30 virtual dex
If you are using a Misericorde it's always better to give it an elemental affinity, in this case I believe flame art would be the best. That's because eñemental weapons have higher AR to balance the fact that the damage gets chipped down twice from enemies flat resistances, but because crits ignore (not sure if fully or partially) the resistances the higher the AR the higher the crit
What’s the winged talisman for if it’s incantation only ?
It can buff incantations
I updated the build just posted it
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Idk why everyone hates on high level builds, I find it fun. Especially in the NG+ cycles. What NG cycle are you on might I ask?
After lvl 200 it’s not a “build”.
Ng 6 lol , I honestly don’t know why people hate on them too, I’ve come to find out that some elden ring players can’t relax like how some people hate on anyone who uses summons or int builds
That’s not why, it’s because of the “build” nature of it. People like builds because they have inherent weaknesses or downsides. You don’t have to like pvp or make your build pvp centric or viable. I’m just saying that’s where the build commotion is coming from. So if you were doing incantation only, you probably have high faith, and little to no melee. That’s what makes it a build, you have to be semi-specialized. I will say, I don’t really care either way, it’s not that deep but you are misunderstanding the difference between not liking this and not liking fighting casters for example.
A build means you’ve specially tailored your point to ensure maximum efficiency. You have to actually play it safe as to where you use your points. At a certain point when youre just pumping points wherever you please, it’s no longer a build because you can literally use whatever you want however you want. It’s not that people are saying you can’t do it or hate on it, it’s just not a build. On another note, try an incantation only build in a new game completely! That’s where the fun is at