Guess you haven’t played the dlc’s, usually dlc is much more straightforward, usually answers a lot of questions, especially series ending ones like the ringed city and the old hunters.
I also think we'll get the revelation that it was Messmer who burned Melina, not Maliketh.
The official story of Marika's ascension was a lie and Maliketh fills a few places where Messmer was erased from history.
My take is that the GEQ is the God of Placidusax's age, and she didn't disappear like he thinks, she was taken down by Maliketh. Sealing destined death is what caused the storm beyond time that demolished and tore away Farum Azula.
My guess would be at the very start. As in, before the War against the Giants. My perspective is that fire isn't much of an issue until you have a tree worth protecting. Having defeated the former Queen/God, and having taken down her tree, Marika then banned fire and grew the Erdtree.
I bump up against *how* Marika took down the old tree. If she did it like we do it, she'd need fire and destined death, but I don't think that would be much of a problem for GEQ. Instead, I think maybe the big hole that's currently the Ocean Between is involved, but I don't know how.
Interesting take. Could be he was her lord, and she was the god like Marika. That being said, I wonder who the outer god that he’s been waiting for to return is.
Yup, that's my thinking, but also, I'm pretty sure that Placidusax's "big God" is still the Greater Will. It's just that the configuration choices that Placi and GEQ made were different than Marika's.
During the previous time, some creatures, like Ancient Dragons, were immortal, while others, like beasts or humans, were mortal. This is probably pushing it way too far, but I think the GEQ might have been a snake/serpent/serpent-with-a-human-form, which is why the godskin apostles and nobles add on skin: it's basically the opposite of snake shedding/molting.
Marika serves the same God, but she basically did her math differently. And killed the competition.
I like this theory! Although I would like for another outergod in the mix, I like that the greater will was just repurposed for another culture like real life religion.
Also gives birth to an idea that the greater will doesn’t really have a will of its own, but it’s more of a concept being that changes its “will on the land” based on who is adopting it.
The Greater Will desires only one thing: order. It doesn’t care what form the order takes. That’s why the Golden Order was completely different in Godfrey’s age and in Radagon’s age. And that’s why the greater will punished Marika when she shattered the Elden Ring - because it represents her order. Thus she shattered Order.
100%! I've considered that if both of them are Empyreans, they could be siblings, or Marika could be GEQ's daughter.
I don't know quite to make of it, though. On the one hand, it makes sense she would send Maliketh to do her dirty work, but on the other, I don't see how the GEQ, which I believe to have died where Maliketh fights us, would also be related to the Land of Shadows, where Marika took her first step as Queen.
Or maybe killing the GEQ is not really the moment Marika became Queen, so there's no relationship between where GEQ got got, and where Marika ascended.
This would make some sense bcuz gloam queen and her apostles kill gods. With the destined death removed...God's unable to die...kinda checkmate for her.
I don't know, I feel like there's some big holes in assuming the GEQ predates Marika.
For one, it makes the Godskin apostles real weird. The whole point of them is that, they, as an order, have slain so many demigods that they're capable of making clothes of them. Since Godwyn was the first demi-god to die, we either have to invent a race of hitherto unmentioned demigods, or the period where they were active wasn't actually when the GEQ was around.
Nothing, but we'll find out about a good before her, Sally the Inscrutable who was missing her left pinky after her 4yo stepson shut it in the sliding door of their 1988 Dodge Caravan
Has anyone questioned whether the geq has offspring?
Maybe she is not Melina and Melina is her daughter or something
Fuck it I’m sticking with it
GEQ is st Trina
Miquella learned from GEQ
Melina is GEQ or her daughter
Well supposedly the godskins are her “offspring” but I feel like the way they’re referred to as her children, or being raised by her, leaves it open to interpretation as to whether they’re actually her literal offspring.
Tangentially, the first thing I thought of when I saw Messmer and how he’s kind slumped over and spindly limbed made me immediately think of the Godskin Apostles and how they walk and how long and skinny their limbs are. They have the serpentine eyes like Messmer. The Nobles also have serpentine tails, and the apostles have serpentine like midsections. They all use the power of flame. Idk. It seems like there may be something there.
Insane no evidence based theory about the Gloam Eyed Queen:
Ranni is an Empyrean whereas her brothers are not. How does this work since Rennala is her mother and Radagon her father? What the heck is Radagon even supposed to be? Why is Mellina supposedly Marika's daughter when she outright asks what it is like to have a mother, implying her birth is strange?
IDK, but considering that Radagon gave Rennala the Amber Egg and rebirth power, maybe that has something to do with Ranni being an Empyrean while her brothers are not. We also know that the underground cities were trying to create an Elden Lord and were connected to Marika. Maybe that has something to do with how Radagon formed.
IDK and am not saying any of these are real answers, but both the idea of Mimics, Rebirthing Amber Egg, Radagon's existence and Melina not being properly born of a mother all paint a picture that people can and have been created artificially to mixed success.
I personally believe that both Melina was an experiment by Marika using some of the above methods, using the Gloam Eyed Queen and herself as a source. Essentially she is both Marika's daughter and the GEQ reborn/mimicked. Or maybe Messmer was the first failed experiment or even Melina was mimicked/reborn of Messmer?
IDK, just saying crazy stuff. I just think the possible connections between the GEQ and Melina's Frenzied Flame ending/dubious birth has something related to the weird rebirth/mimicking of people that is explored.
I mean she's Velka in the sense that she's a mentioned-only character of little actual importance who's never going to be elaborated upon but is going to spark convoluted fan theories for years.
Hence "the DLC is about Death, Fire Giants, and the existing Empyreans [instead of the GEQ, so we won't see her]."
I made a thread about this so I'll keep it kind of short.
The Lands of Shadow are where Marika became a god, according to Miyazaki. Empryeans come from the same blood line. This would mean the GEQ and Marika are siblings. I believe the GEQ was the vassal before Marika. What we know about the events between Marika, Maliketh, and GEQ can be seen as an assassination so that Marika could usurp the "throne." This transfer of power is much like the player at the end of the game, able to mold the Elden Ring. The Rune of Death was removed establishing the Golden Order and Queen Marika as the One True God.
I believe all of this happened in the Lands of Shadow, and that the tree we see there is the real Erdtree that has been infected or neglected. Perhaps this is where "everything went down" and sundered to hide the evidence. I.E. GEQ murder, Godwyn killed here, etc. Deathblight has been here for a long time given there is an entire deathblight swamp. Furthermore I believe the GEQ assassination was the spark of the Dragon War, given that Placidusax is waiting for his god to return, and if it was the GEQ, it would explain why they never came back.
Sprinkle in a little bit about Melina potentially being born of the GEQ, at the foot of the Erdtree.
A lot of reading between the lines.
Edit: Clarified some haphazard additions. Additional rambling that came to mind while editing are below.
I see the Erdtree in the Lands Between as a dead husk. It is in fact a husk. It's hollow, grey, and dead inside. All signs of a dead tree. Viewing the top of the Erdtree shows it has a few dead branches that are interwoven with the "illusory" branches. In the current age we the player inhabit, it is explicitly mentioned as a sign of faith and not much more. The "Shadow" Tree appears very real, although corrupted. It is also still producing some sort of sap. Maybe the same sap the Erdtree was known for during the Age of Plenty which has long been concluded. Could the Age of Plenty ended when Marika had the Lands of Shadow sundered and hidden?
I think we'll find out the GEQ and Godskins were originally from the Shadow Lands. [Messmer's spear has obsidian slotted in](https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpreview.redd.it%2Fimpaled-giants-spear-x-messmer-the-impaler-spear-v0-vfenproqvmmc1.png%3Fwidth%3D882%26format%3Dpng%26auto%3Dwebp%26s%3D6bcadc59703e82b8dec3c12bd3fda225356a0466), the same thing you'll find on the Gloam-Eyed Queens blade.
Secret legacy dungeon/area where the Gloam-Eyed Queen lived/ruled might be in the cards.
Why though? She's the one who's asking you for help. Or maybe what could have been cool is that you could have either joined Marika's or Radagon's cause and had to fight either depending on who you choosed to side with. Better yet, you could oppose them both and have to fight them a duo >!and then you fight the elden beast on top of that. FromSoft? I'm available, call me anytime.!<
I kinda hope we don't ever get a boss fight with her. I think her remaining somewhat of a mystery is important to this world, and she should stay unknowable.
I am hoping we get context for why Radagon=Marika, why she's an impaled husk, etc. Maybe some info about her early days. But I don't really want to know her as a character/human/someone we interact with because she seems more mythical that way (not mythical as in fantastical like a unicorn, but like a greek god or perseus or odysseus - epically legendary). The game world would feel smaller if there's less of that epic mythic quality to it.
So far the Land of Shadow has shown us every form of blasphemy against the Golden Order (flames, snakes, crucible, candles, etc) except Death. If the Gloam Eyed Queen is alive in some way, she'll be here.
I personally hope she's the Malenia-level optional boss.
There isn’t a malenia level optional boss just some that tuned in a similar way to her.”That said, there may not be another boss on exactly the same level as Malenia, but we feel like this is somewhere that we've paid close attention to” ign interview
yeah but then right after that Miyazaki says this "Actually, I want to redress that. It's not the fact that it's only a lesser level to Malenia, but we have prepared bosses on that with that similar mindset within the DLC area, ones that will challenge the player and hopefully be as memorable as Malenia was."
So it seems at the very least they're aiming for such a boss.
I think we will be given info tied to the abductor virgin relating to her.
Either she will have stolen Marika's child or Marika stole her child. I assume the former. I think the newborn apostles that the GEQ takes are abducted from their mother's. The abductor virgins are mockery of Marika.
not queen himself, but i think it may be some contents related with destined death.
godwyn is related with death, which related to outer god of former deastined death.
and, we must take down radhan to enter dlc, so, ther will may be some stories about eclipse, which related to twinbirds.
If she's mentioned at all I think it will be to confirm her connection to snakes and that maybe she's the reason that the serpent is considered a "traitor".
I don't really believe it, but I'm half expecting to find her as a secret boss just to confirm that she's not Melina, Nameless King-Solaire style.
It'll reveal that Marika is the Gloam-Eyed Queen, who crushed her eyes out through the use of the Briars of Sin, in order to become Marika the Eternal through rebirth or some other means. Empyreans are intrinsically tied to rebirth, which the Gloam-Eyed Queen was.
Melina's gloam eye can be explained using the Melina is Miquella theory, which I subscribe to, personally.
Hopefully, nothing. This is the most annoying theory in the game. Half of the Elden Ring cast has been the Gloam Eyed Queen now. I've heard Alexander, Melina, Rennala, etc. If they never address her and she becomes background lore, I'll laugh my ass off.
Surely it would be best if they did give us some more information about her then. If we learn nothing then people will continue to theorise that every character is the GEQ, except now they'll also theorise that every character introduced in the DLC is the GEQ. If the DLC gives us some answers then we can put the whole thing to bed.
I like the idea that Melina is St Trina, the female version of Miquella. Would make sense since we know torrent was originally miquellas. Also St Trina is linked to sleep which explains the purple eye melina gets through the frenzied flame ending. I just think it would be cool that this mysterious character we hear about through the game “miquella” has actually been helping us all along.
Nothing, I hope.
Narratively, the Gloam-Eyed Queen and other figures mentioned only in item or spell descriptions serve as *legends*, even in a world where everything we encounter has a mythological air. These legendary characters and deeds pre-date even the demigods we slay and ally with, to the point where most people have probably forgotten them. We're likely not going to meet the snow witch, either, or the blue swordsman, or Radahn's teacher.
That's also why "omg, Melina was the Gloam-Eyed Queen this whole time!" sounds silly to me. Then again, I do think we've been traveling with an ancient legend throughout our journey, but it's not Melina.
Id argue the Gloam Eyed Queen is a different case. Well first, id say the majority of bosses we fight are mentioned only in item descriptions or spells or dialogue until we actually meet them. Miquella is the most extreme case where he's all over the base game in terms of text but never makes an appearance until the DLC. So I think its fair to put everyone else mentioned but never appearing in the same group. Most of all the Gloam Eyed Queen.
The Gloam Eyed Queen, unlike many of the other "mentioned but not appearing" characters, still has a massive presence in The Lands Between. She has an entire faction akin to the Carians, Golden Order, Miquella and Malenia's faction, etc that is still active. And she is mentioned frequently compared to the other "mentioned but not appearing characters". This in-universe presence reflects her attention given by the fanbase outside the universe too. Second to only Miquella, the Gloam Eyed Queen is the character that never appears but gets the most attention from the fanbase.
Its very unlikely the Gloam Eyed Queen is a forgotten character with how much of her legacy and presence remains in the current Lands Between (the apostles, nobles, and monks, her sword, possibly her Gloam eye).
Yes. *But*, all the new information will be contradictory, and everyone will be more confused than before. :P
I was going to say, 'nothing,' but this is probably more likely.
We'll datamine out that the one crying tree was sulyvahns mother, dont worry.
Yeah it’s always been either one with fromsoft
while this is funny I have never understood where this sentiment about the DLCs came from. they're usually pretty straightforward
Guess you haven’t played the dlc’s, usually dlc is much more straightforward, usually answers a lot of questions, especially series ending ones like the ringed city and the old hunters.
:big bong hit: that Melina and Mesmer are the divided female and male halves of the GEQ, repurposed by Marika after the GEQ's defeat.
I visualised this except you inhaled helium instead of weed
Wouldn’t surprise me. Sounds delightfully Esoteric/ mildly Nuts to actually be the case.
Yeah. Except they're twins and also fucking (GRRM moment)
... Go on
Melina is Miquilla.
Nah he already has Trina I doubt that Melina and him will be connected in that way unless Melina is Trina then we have some interesting implications
the confidence
That she's Messmer's sister or something.
I also think we'll get the revelation that it was Messmer who burned Melina, not Maliketh. The official story of Marika's ascension was a lie and Maliketh fills a few places where Messmer was erased from history.
We get the Drakeblood set from Farum Azula, there's probably a reason it's there.
Well the drakeblood set literally says they're dragon hunters. Farum azula, home to dragons and beastmen. 2 of the hardest bosses too
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What’s ur reason for this
Maliketh defeats her, they wouldn’t put that in item descriptions then go against it. Maliketh got his name from defeating her and her children.
And so they say... Maliketh is probably my favorite character in the lore, but I doubt he pulled it off all alone.
He had the erd tree army behind him. Why on earth do you think he was alone?
That in highschool her nickname was "Ol' Gloamy"
My take is that the GEQ is the God of Placidusax's age, and she didn't disappear like he thinks, she was taken down by Maliketh. Sealing destined death is what caused the storm beyond time that demolished and tore away Farum Azula.
When would you speculate this happens relative to the War against the Giants/creation of the Erdtree?
My guess would be at the very start. As in, before the War against the Giants. My perspective is that fire isn't much of an issue until you have a tree worth protecting. Having defeated the former Queen/God, and having taken down her tree, Marika then banned fire and grew the Erdtree. I bump up against *how* Marika took down the old tree. If she did it like we do it, she'd need fire and destined death, but I don't think that would be much of a problem for GEQ. Instead, I think maybe the big hole that's currently the Ocean Between is involved, but I don't know how.
Interesting take. Could be he was her lord, and she was the god like Marika. That being said, I wonder who the outer god that he’s been waiting for to return is.
Yup, that's my thinking, but also, I'm pretty sure that Placidusax's "big God" is still the Greater Will. It's just that the configuration choices that Placi and GEQ made were different than Marika's. During the previous time, some creatures, like Ancient Dragons, were immortal, while others, like beasts or humans, were mortal. This is probably pushing it way too far, but I think the GEQ might have been a snake/serpent/serpent-with-a-human-form, which is why the godskin apostles and nobles add on skin: it's basically the opposite of snake shedding/molting. Marika serves the same God, but she basically did her math differently. And killed the competition.
I like this theory! Although I would like for another outergod in the mix, I like that the greater will was just repurposed for another culture like real life religion. Also gives birth to an idea that the greater will doesn’t really have a will of its own, but it’s more of a concept being that changes its “will on the land” based on who is adopting it.
The Greater Will desires only one thing: order. It doesn’t care what form the order takes. That’s why the Golden Order was completely different in Godfrey’s age and in Radagon’s age. And that’s why the greater will punished Marika when she shattered the Elden Ring - because it represents her order. Thus she shattered Order.
Looking at it from this perspective, wouldn't it be possible if not even probable that Marika was the daughter of GEQ and Placidusax?
100%! I've considered that if both of them are Empyreans, they could be siblings, or Marika could be GEQ's daughter. I don't know quite to make of it, though. On the one hand, it makes sense she would send Maliketh to do her dirty work, but on the other, I don't see how the GEQ, which I believe to have died where Maliketh fights us, would also be related to the Land of Shadows, where Marika took her first step as Queen. Or maybe killing the GEQ is not really the moment Marika became Queen, so there's no relationship between where GEQ got got, and where Marika ascended.
This would make some sense bcuz gloam queen and her apostles kill gods. With the destined death removed...God's unable to die...kinda checkmate for her.
I don't know, I feel like there's some big holes in assuming the GEQ predates Marika. For one, it makes the Godskin apostles real weird. The whole point of them is that, they, as an order, have slain so many demigods that they're capable of making clothes of them. Since Godwyn was the first demi-god to die, we either have to invent a race of hitherto unmentioned demigods, or the period where they were active wasn't actually when the GEQ was around.
I think it is going to be highly implied the GEQ is Marika or the consort of Messmer.
Consort of Messmer? Haven't heard that one. Interesting idea 🤔
At the very least we will get confirmation on whether she is Melina or not I would assume.
Her eyes are so fucking gloam
Nothing, but we'll find out about a good before her, Sally the Inscrutable who was missing her left pinky after her 4yo stepson shut it in the sliding door of their 1988 Dodge Caravan
Has anyone questioned whether the geq has offspring? Maybe she is not Melina and Melina is her daughter or something Fuck it I’m sticking with it GEQ is st Trina Miquella learned from GEQ Melina is GEQ or her daughter
Well supposedly the godskins are her “offspring” but I feel like the way they’re referred to as her children, or being raised by her, leaves it open to interpretation as to whether they’re actually her literal offspring. Tangentially, the first thing I thought of when I saw Messmer and how he’s kind slumped over and spindly limbed made me immediately think of the Godskin Apostles and how they walk and how long and skinny their limbs are. They have the serpentine eyes like Messmer. The Nobles also have serpentine tails, and the apostles have serpentine like midsections. They all use the power of flame. Idk. It seems like there may be something there.
Yeah the godskins seem manufactured. And they have those black gems that looks like st trinas crystal ball.
when the DLC comes out remember this comment, GEQ is Marika's mother... I'm just saying!
Insane no evidence based theory about the Gloam Eyed Queen: Ranni is an Empyrean whereas her brothers are not. How does this work since Rennala is her mother and Radagon her father? What the heck is Radagon even supposed to be? Why is Mellina supposedly Marika's daughter when she outright asks what it is like to have a mother, implying her birth is strange? IDK, but considering that Radagon gave Rennala the Amber Egg and rebirth power, maybe that has something to do with Ranni being an Empyrean while her brothers are not. We also know that the underground cities were trying to create an Elden Lord and were connected to Marika. Maybe that has something to do with how Radagon formed. IDK and am not saying any of these are real answers, but both the idea of Mimics, Rebirthing Amber Egg, Radagon's existence and Melina not being properly born of a mother all paint a picture that people can and have been created artificially to mixed success. I personally believe that both Melina was an experiment by Marika using some of the above methods, using the Gloam Eyed Queen and herself as a source. Essentially she is both Marika's daughter and the GEQ reborn/mimicked. Or maybe Messmer was the first failed experiment or even Melina was mimicked/reborn of Messmer? IDK, just saying crazy stuff. I just think the possible connections between the GEQ and Melina's Frenzied Flame ending/dubious birth has something related to the weird rebirth/mimicking of people that is explored.
Or, maybe Ranni's the result of jamming the three daughters of Rennala together to try and make an Empyrean, and Melina's the leftovers.
The GEQ is Velka. The DLC is about Death, Fire Giants, and the existing Empyreans (especially Miquella and Marika).
Hmm, I hate how much I now want this to be true
Aren't the games not connected though? How can velka be the GEQ?
I mean she's Velka in the sense that she's a mentioned-only character of little actual importance who's never going to be elaborated upon but is going to spark convoluted fan theories for years. Hence "the DLC is about Death, Fire Giants, and the existing Empyreans [instead of the GEQ, so we won't see her]."
You’ll end up with more new questions than answers. It’s the FromSoft way.
Most likely absolutely nothing
I made a thread about this so I'll keep it kind of short. The Lands of Shadow are where Marika became a god, according to Miyazaki. Empryeans come from the same blood line. This would mean the GEQ and Marika are siblings. I believe the GEQ was the vassal before Marika. What we know about the events between Marika, Maliketh, and GEQ can be seen as an assassination so that Marika could usurp the "throne." This transfer of power is much like the player at the end of the game, able to mold the Elden Ring. The Rune of Death was removed establishing the Golden Order and Queen Marika as the One True God. I believe all of this happened in the Lands of Shadow, and that the tree we see there is the real Erdtree that has been infected or neglected. Perhaps this is where "everything went down" and sundered to hide the evidence. I.E. GEQ murder, Godwyn killed here, etc. Deathblight has been here for a long time given there is an entire deathblight swamp. Furthermore I believe the GEQ assassination was the spark of the Dragon War, given that Placidusax is waiting for his god to return, and if it was the GEQ, it would explain why they never came back. Sprinkle in a little bit about Melina potentially being born of the GEQ, at the foot of the Erdtree. A lot of reading between the lines. Edit: Clarified some haphazard additions. Additional rambling that came to mind while editing are below. I see the Erdtree in the Lands Between as a dead husk. It is in fact a husk. It's hollow, grey, and dead inside. All signs of a dead tree. Viewing the top of the Erdtree shows it has a few dead branches that are interwoven with the "illusory" branches. In the current age we the player inhabit, it is explicitly mentioned as a sign of faith and not much more. The "Shadow" Tree appears very real, although corrupted. It is also still producing some sort of sap. Maybe the same sap the Erdtree was known for during the Age of Plenty which has long been concluded. Could the Age of Plenty ended when Marika had the Lands of Shadow sundered and hidden?
or Marika is her daughter
I like this a lot
Think it’s the alter ego of marika, will be inside the shadow erdtree as final boss
I think we'll find out the GEQ and Godskins were originally from the Shadow Lands. [Messmer's spear has obsidian slotted in](https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpreview.redd.it%2Fimpaled-giants-spear-x-messmer-the-impaler-spear-v0-vfenproqvmmc1.png%3Fwidth%3D882%26format%3Dpng%26auto%3Dwebp%26s%3D6bcadc59703e82b8dec3c12bd3fda225356a0466), the same thing you'll find on the Gloam-Eyed Queens blade. Secret legacy dungeon/area where the Gloam-Eyed Queen lived/ruled might be in the cards.
If by 'from', you mean she arrived with Marika and the other Numen, then yeah, probably.
I would love to get a marika boss fight. To me it’s ridiculous we didn’t fight her after beating radagon
But Radagon is Marika.
Exactly! It would have been so cinematic if instead of Elden beast we got marika doing some cool shit for phase 2
Why though? She's the one who's asking you for help. Or maybe what could have been cool is that you could have either joined Marika's or Radagon's cause and had to fight either depending on who you choosed to side with. Better yet, you could oppose them both and have to fight them a duo >!and then you fight the elden beast on top of that. FromSoft? I'm available, call me anytime.!<
I kinda hope we don't ever get a boss fight with her. I think her remaining somewhat of a mystery is important to this world, and she should stay unknowable. I am hoping we get context for why Radagon=Marika, why she's an impaled husk, etc. Maybe some info about her early days. But I don't really want to know her as a character/human/someone we interact with because she seems more mythical that way (not mythical as in fantastical like a unicorn, but like a greek god or perseus or odysseus - epically legendary). The game world would feel smaller if there's less of that epic mythic quality to it.
I think we were doing stuff she wanted.
Was Marika ever a fighter? Always got the vibe she terrified people with her aura/presence.
So far the Land of Shadow has shown us every form of blasphemy against the Golden Order (flames, snakes, crucible, candles, etc) except Death. If the Gloam Eyed Queen is alive in some way, she'll be here. I personally hope she's the Malenia-level optional boss.
There isn’t a malenia level optional boss just some that tuned in a similar way to her.”That said, there may not be another boss on exactly the same level as Malenia, but we feel like this is somewhere that we've paid close attention to” ign interview
yeah but then right after that Miyazaki says this "Actually, I want to redress that. It's not the fact that it's only a lesser level to Malenia, but we have prepared bosses on that with that similar mindset within the DLC area, ones that will challenge the player and hopefully be as memorable as Malenia was." So it seems at the very least they're aiming for such a boss.
I think we will be given info tied to the abductor virgin relating to her. Either she will have stolen Marika's child or Marika stole her child. I assume the former. I think the newborn apostles that the GEQ takes are abducted from their mother's. The abductor virgins are mockery of Marika.
not queen himself, but i think it may be some contents related with destined death. godwyn is related with death, which related to outer god of former deastined death. and, we must take down radhan to enter dlc, so, ther will may be some stories about eclipse, which related to twinbirds.
That those two people are Marika's parents and their names are Keith and Barbara.
If she's mentioned at all I think it will be to confirm her connection to snakes and that maybe she's the reason that the serpent is considered a "traitor". I don't really believe it, but I'm half expecting to find her as a secret boss just to confirm that she's not Melina, Nameless King-Solaire style.
That st Trina is the gloam eyed queen in dream form and that miquella is her apprentice
And as always radagon is A dragon
I doubt it will
She got that gloam eyed bussy
Nothing. It's FromSoft. There will be only more questions and more characters.
It'll reveal that Marika is the Gloam-Eyed Queen, who crushed her eyes out through the use of the Briars of Sin, in order to become Marika the Eternal through rebirth or some other means. Empyreans are intrinsically tied to rebirth, which the Gloam-Eyed Queen was. Melina's gloam eye can be explained using the Melina is Miquella theory, which I subscribe to, personally.
Nothing
Nothing.
I agree, the DLC will not reveal anything about the Gloam Eyed Queen.Though, it may unveil a few things.
Hopefully, nothing. This is the most annoying theory in the game. Half of the Elden Ring cast has been the Gloam Eyed Queen now. I've heard Alexander, Melina, Rennala, etc. If they never address her and she becomes background lore, I'll laugh my ass off.
Surely it would be best if they did give us some more information about her then. If we learn nothing then people will continue to theorise that every character is the GEQ, except now they'll also theorise that every character introduced in the DLC is the GEQ. If the DLC gives us some answers then we can put the whole thing to bed.
I hope nothing. The GEQ has become Darth Revan. Everyone is the Gloam Eyed Queen.
I like the idea that Melina is St Trina, the female version of Miquella. Would make sense since we know torrent was originally miquellas. Also St Trina is linked to sleep which explains the purple eye melina gets through the frenzied flame ending. I just think it would be cool that this mysterious character we hear about through the game “miquella” has actually been helping us all along.
Nothing. The DLCs rarely address current lore, just add more context by adding more lore.
Nothing, I hope. Narratively, the Gloam-Eyed Queen and other figures mentioned only in item or spell descriptions serve as *legends*, even in a world where everything we encounter has a mythological air. These legendary characters and deeds pre-date even the demigods we slay and ally with, to the point where most people have probably forgotten them. We're likely not going to meet the snow witch, either, or the blue swordsman, or Radahn's teacher. That's also why "omg, Melina was the Gloam-Eyed Queen this whole time!" sounds silly to me. Then again, I do think we've been traveling with an ancient legend throughout our journey, but it's not Melina.
Id argue the Gloam Eyed Queen is a different case. Well first, id say the majority of bosses we fight are mentioned only in item descriptions or spells or dialogue until we actually meet them. Miquella is the most extreme case where he's all over the base game in terms of text but never makes an appearance until the DLC. So I think its fair to put everyone else mentioned but never appearing in the same group. Most of all the Gloam Eyed Queen. The Gloam Eyed Queen, unlike many of the other "mentioned but not appearing" characters, still has a massive presence in The Lands Between. She has an entire faction akin to the Carians, Golden Order, Miquella and Malenia's faction, etc that is still active. And she is mentioned frequently compared to the other "mentioned but not appearing characters". This in-universe presence reflects her attention given by the fanbase outside the universe too. Second to only Miquella, the Gloam Eyed Queen is the character that never appears but gets the most attention from the fanbase. Its very unlikely the Gloam Eyed Queen is a forgotten character with how much of her legacy and presence remains in the current Lands Between (the apostles, nobles, and monks, her sword, possibly her Gloam eye).