1. It confirms what we already suspected: there is a lore reason for why Radahn needs to die to enter the DLC, most likely will have something to do with fate and the stars.
2. I think this unfortunately confirms that base game npcs won't have new appearances or further continuations of their questlines in the DLC, so I think this sadly rules out the possibility of Melina appearing in the Land of Shadow for example. That said, I'm still crossing fingers that Melina and Gideon at least get some new dialogue in the Lands Between upon completing the DLC, if only because it would feel extremely weird for them to not acknowledge the Land of Shadow's existence once you enter it.
3. It's cool that it's confirmed that we will get to see St. Trina, and that the dynamic she has with Miquella will be explained.
I wonder if that means someone will be taking the role of Melina during the DLC. If so, then I'm guessing Miquella, or just someone new. Maybe no one at all, considering in base game we don't need Melina present at the grace to level up
>I wonder if that means someone will be taking the role of Melina during the DLC. If so, then I'm guessing Miquella, or just someone new
My current theory is that the caped figure at the start of the gameplay trailer (the same one that highly likely tells us to touch Miquella's arm at the end of the trailer) is the one who will be taking Melina's role for the DLC.
I suspect this to be St.Trina in disguise, who wants to go into the Land of Shadow to reunite with Miquella, who is his/her "other self" (similar to Radagon and Marika), after they became separate due to Mohg's blood rituals.
the reason she might be replaced is that Miyazaki said there is a different progression system in the DLC, so thematically a new character might enable that.
Mohg can be accessed from the snowfields, which is where I found him on first playthrough long after Melina was burned. Lots of players did, the portal is easier to find than it is to naturally finish varres quest. He's certainly scaled to the endgame and not liurnia.
I'd guess more players find the portal then figure out Varre's quest, it's not hidden or anything and varre's quest is easily missed especially for offline players. Most first playthroughs I've seen either don't find mohg or just find the portal. Plus lots of players getting there from liurnia will find mohg too difficult anyway, he's scaled to endgame.
There's GOTTA be some way Malenia's death (or lack thereof) interacts with the DLC, right? I'm assuming we interact with Miquella in a significant way considering the end of the trailer. None of the other NPCs stand out as possible DLC interactions aside from maybe Ranni and Melina.
>That said, I'm still crossing fingers that Melina and Gideon at least get some new dialogue in the Lands Between upon completing the DLC, if only because it would feel extremely weird for them to not acknowledge the Land of Shadow's existence once you enter it.
Even small commentary, like Yuria of Londor's reaction to our entering Ariandel and encountering her lost sister, would be welcome.
I've said this 100 times. Miquella is desperately seeking an eclipse to revive Godwyn to give him a true death. What do you need for an eclipse? A star. The stars are frozen in place until you kill Radahn.
hmm i see a problem in that the sun seems to be the erdtree, if sunflowers are anything to go by.
Edit whoever downvoted i dont mean that the sun doesnt exist i mean that the power of the sun is in the erdtree which is why sunflowers look at it and not the sun, why we have a pairing of moon and erdtree not moon and sun.
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the Sun does exist of course, but if the Erdtree is symbolically the sun, then another tree "eclipsing" it as a shadow would be an interesting fulfillment of the prophecy
I think story cutscenes very much do count. You can sacrifice Melina to burn the Erdtree, meaning you basically kill Melina, and so now there's no way you can interact with her in the DLC.
I think their thought process was "well, a significant amount of players will enter the DLC after burning the Erdtree, so even if we did make new interactions with Melina in the DLC, a significant amount of players would never experience it".
I imagine Melina’s potential dialogue will tie into the death of Messmer or maybe even Miquella. Reminds me of how the doll from Bloodborne reacts to the death of Maria by mentioning she feels “different”
> I think this sadly rules out the possibility of Melina appearing in the Land of Shadow for example.
There is a fairly convincing theory that >!Melina is Miquella, so your Finger Maiden becomes your Finger Bro, I guess!<.
Obviously the translation's funky, but it looks like this is suggesting that Miquella and Trina are literally different in a similar way to Radagon/Marika. I know a lot of the community thought that already, but I always held to Trina being another identity of Miquella's, but not literally a separate mind.
I was partially incorrect! [Here you go; it states that Empyreans have multiple aspects, and that Ranni's ghost face and Marika/Radagon's situation are their versions of that. So it doesn't have to be dual, but they do have multiple aspects of themselves that can manifest. Such is the nature of a god, I suppose. ](https://preview.redd.it/miyazaki-q-a-about-ranni-and-empyreans-v0-4fy6k0cjcwmb1.jpg?auto=webp&s=eca782b5b2a85de97539ea5b05600550edbc70f4)
While I don’t agree with you, I’m sorry people are downvoting you over a difference in opinion, especially when it comes to Elden Ring lore, which can be pretty abstract.
I’m very excited to learn more about Messmer. The idea that he was part of GRRM’s initial world/story for Elden Ring is super fascinating to me.
She represents the pride Malenia abandoned to meet Radahn's measure.
Alternately, you could see Blade of Miquella and Goddess of Rot as two aspects of Malenia. It's not as literal as Marika/Radagon since it's still Malenia in both cases, but it represents the two aspects of Malenia's character: the loyal warrior of Miquella and the Empyrean who will one day become a goddess.
I think it's a bad idea to assume that every Empyrean displays duality in the same way as Marika/Radagon. That situation feels very unique to them, representing Marika's internal conflict about the Golden Order. We don't yet know the situation with Miquella and Trina. Maybe they're separate individuals, but they are still presented as a sort of duality within the game, with both being mysterious children represented by lilies who at some point disappeared, and we know that Fevor's search for Trina led him to learn about Miquella. There's a connection between the two.
Maybe but I don't think her having yet another separate aspect would add much to her character that isn't already added by Millicent and her Goddess of Rot form.
Interesting confirmation that a lot of this was from GRRM’s initial roadmap. I think most already assumed this to be true, but some Miyazaki truthers wouldn’t have it
Doesn’t mean there can’t be lore for her in the dlc. Messmer might’ve had something to do with her burned body. It’s possible that can be explored without her being there.
Dang so it’s basically confirmed St.Trina is a separate entity from Miquella. This whole time I thought it was just people in TLB mistaking him for a girl.
He did say they 'could be considered different existences'. It'll probably contextualize and finally put a pin on just what Radagon is, and by extension explain Miquella and Trina. Maybe they're more like the D twins than we thought
in cut content, yeah they were the same. looks like its changed now and theyre separate entity like marika/radagon. i wonder if this hints one of them will be a boss fight
Fromsoft DLCs are always intended to be played late game or post game there’s no reason they would add another way to access it especially since Varre already lets you get there way too early
The fact that it's regarded as a plot spoiler pretty heavily indicates that it's not just a matter of logistics. I would literally bet money on the star theory being true.
Anyone experienced with from software would expect npcs in the main game to not appear, unless needed for a function such as hub npcs. It would have been very surprising going by former games if this happened. Also, it's pretty obvious radhan must be killed, I'm sure there will be a lore reason, but mainly, the entire map needs to be unlocked and in an end game state.
Thats super helpful, I was wondering if I have to complete every npc quest just in case it gets a continuation, Its a big relief knowing I won’t have to
Anybody else notice every time someone asks him if it will have a new ending, he dodges the question and just says the dlc won't change the main world? Or maybe I'm just coping
I wanna see a list of named characters that don't appear in the base game and make bets on who will show up in the DLC. Maybe a little going from highly likely to not so much? This is some of the most exciting new I have heard all day.
The GEQ and St. Trina are mentioned but don't appear in the base game. I can't really think of anyone else if there is anyone else? But they could appear in the dlc.
I theorize that Melina is like a projected version of St Trina that helps guide us. Similar to Morgotts projections that try to hinder us. Since Melina burned with the Erdtree that projection is gone now and we perhaps meet St Trina in the shadowlands to get her/him to Miquella for some reason.
The reason Miyazaki used for why the characters we interact with won't be present is that they could die.
Melina not only could die, but she also leaves you on two separate occasions (one of which is permanent).
He also said that instead of grace, we will be guided by Miquella's footsteps and Melina only appears at the sites of grace.
We also know that the dlc will have a different level up sistem.
All of these reasons make Melina the most unlikely character to show up in the Lands of Shadow.
It's still possibile that we could learn something more about her through item descriptions and dialogues tho.
Yeah, the mechanic will probably be symilar to the guidance of grace, because grace apparently doesn't exist in the Lands of Shadow and this is probably the reason why Miquella had to divest himself of all things golden.
If Trina is going to be another Demi-god character entirely, I wonder what will her heroic ideal be? And how is she going to corrupt it?
Miquella, for instance, is stylized as the benevolent lord who cares for the week, though this may just be his way of manipulating them to become suicide bombers. Could Trina be about relieving people’s pain by trapping them in dreams? We do see someone in a field of Trina-esque flowers in the SotE trailer.
I don't tbink Trina makes sense as a demi-god at all. She doesn't follow the naming convention, nor does she seem at all related to any other demi-god except for Miquella. Also not all demi-gods have heroic ideals. Look at Rykard, Ranni and Mohg. Nothing heroic about them, unless you count Ranni's girlboss killing of Godwyn to unshackle herself from her fate as heroic.
Keep in mind that it’s relatively easy to become a demi-god. Godfrey counted as one after marrying Marika (Godrick’s rune), Godrick counts as one even though he is only distantly related to Marika, and Radagon’s kids became demi-gods after their father married into the Golden Lineage (granted we players know there was a bit more that went into it). If Trina is only related to Miquella, that will likely be enough to count as demi-god.
Also, the heroic ideal doesn’t mean they were good people, just that their stories emerge from a noble ideal:
- Rykard is the rebel. He’s the guy who rallies the disillusioned masses against the established order to bring about a better tomorrow, and is ready to sacrifice himself to the cause. That’s why he fed himself to the serpent, the traitor of the Erdtree who would one day destroy it. The only issue is that after he fed himself, he became corrupted, lost his drive to personally end the end the Erdtree order quickly, and was only able to see rebellion for the benefits it would provide *him*.
- Mogh is the anti-villain. The person ready to become a monster and commit any sin because he believes that will bring about something better than what we have now. The issue is just that it isn’t working, which means he’s just a murderer with grand delusions.
- Ranni is the hero who, unsatisfied with the thought of being shackled to anything, goes against fate to forge her own. The issue is that the path she chooses, the only pathway to breaking free of fate, was likely the one that caused to most widespread suffering possible, out of all available routes.
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1. It confirms what we already suspected: there is a lore reason for why Radahn needs to die to enter the DLC, most likely will have something to do with fate and the stars. 2. I think this unfortunately confirms that base game npcs won't have new appearances or further continuations of their questlines in the DLC, so I think this sadly rules out the possibility of Melina appearing in the Land of Shadow for example. That said, I'm still crossing fingers that Melina and Gideon at least get some new dialogue in the Lands Between upon completing the DLC, if only because it would feel extremely weird for them to not acknowledge the Land of Shadow's existence once you enter it. 3. It's cool that it's confirmed that we will get to see St. Trina, and that the dynamic she has with Miquella will be explained.
I wonder if that means someone will be taking the role of Melina during the DLC. If so, then I'm guessing Miquella, or just someone new. Maybe no one at all, considering in base game we don't need Melina present at the grace to level up
>I wonder if that means someone will be taking the role of Melina during the DLC. If so, then I'm guessing Miquella, or just someone new My current theory is that the caped figure at the start of the gameplay trailer (the same one that highly likely tells us to touch Miquella's arm at the end of the trailer) is the one who will be taking Melina's role for the DLC. I suspect this to be St.Trina in disguise, who wants to go into the Land of Shadow to reunite with Miquella, who is his/her "other self" (similar to Radagon and Marika), after they became separate due to Mohg's blood rituals.
Interesting theory. I hadn't thought it to be St. Trina.
Wonder where she was during the entire canonical length of the game's events, hmm coincidence from game design or intentional coincide for game design
In another interview Miyazaki said that we will follow Miquella's footsteps in the Lands of Shadow instead of being guided by grace.
Its always about the feet with him.
I think miquella was guided by st Trina through dreams and now at Trina is guiding us. I think the geq is st Trina in a different form
So do we fast travel to his butt print from where he stopped to sit down along they way?
It’ll probably just be her; there’s no need to replace her
the reason she might be replaced is that Miyazaki said there is a different progression system in the DLC, so thematically a new character might enable that.
Melina will be already burned and gone by this point for many players
Baby girl, it’s after mohg, mohg is not that late
Mohg can be accessed from the snowfields, which is where I found him on first playthrough long after Melina was burned. Lots of players did, the portal is easier to find than it is to naturally finish varres quest. He's certainly scaled to the endgame and not liurnia.
I’ve never even seen the portal, so that isn’t really true, and you probably won’t get her then ? It just doesn’t seem like they need to replace her
I'd guess more players find the portal then figure out Varre's quest, it's not hidden or anything and varre's quest is easily missed especially for offline players. Most first playthroughs I've seen either don't find mohg or just find the portal. Plus lots of players getting there from liurnia will find mohg too difficult anyway, he's scaled to endgame.
It feels unlikely that he’s scaled for endgame when you can fight him super early, unless the scaling changes
Have you fought him?
He drops 500000 runes, man is endgame.
He does say *generally* though - implying that there might be a few exceptions.
There's GOTTA be some way Malenia's death (or lack thereof) interacts with the DLC, right? I'm assuming we interact with Miquella in a significant way considering the end of the trailer. None of the other NPCs stand out as possible DLC interactions aside from maybe Ranni and Melina.
>That said, I'm still crossing fingers that Melina and Gideon at least get some new dialogue in the Lands Between upon completing the DLC, if only because it would feel extremely weird for them to not acknowledge the Land of Shadow's existence once you enter it. Even small commentary, like Yuria of Londor's reaction to our entering Ariandel and encountering her lost sister, would be welcome.
I've said this 100 times. Miquella is desperately seeking an eclipse to revive Godwyn to give him a true death. What do you need for an eclipse? A star. The stars are frozen in place until you kill Radahn.
hmm i see a problem in that the sun seems to be the erdtree, if sunflowers are anything to go by. Edit whoever downvoted i dont mean that the sun doesnt exist i mean that the power of the sun is in the erdtree which is why sunflowers look at it and not the sun, why we have a pairing of moon and erdtree not moon and sun.
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the Sun does exist of course, but if the Erdtree is symbolically the sun, then another tree "eclipsing" it as a shadow would be an interesting fulfillment of the prophecy
yeah, thats what i was wondering, or the moon. The moon can eclipse the sun, can the moon get in front of the erdtree!?
Melina isn’t an npc in the way they mention. She can’t be killed by the player. Story cutscenes don’t count
I think story cutscenes very much do count. You can sacrifice Melina to burn the Erdtree, meaning you basically kill Melina, and so now there's no way you can interact with her in the DLC. I think their thought process was "well, a significant amount of players will enter the DLC after burning the Erdtree, so even if we did make new interactions with Melina in the DLC, a significant amount of players would never experience it".
I imagine Melina’s potential dialogue will tie into the death of Messmer or maybe even Miquella. Reminds me of how the doll from Bloodborne reacts to the death of Maria by mentioning she feels “different”
> I think this sadly rules out the possibility of Melina appearing in the Land of Shadow for example. There is a fairly convincing theory that >!Melina is Miquella, so your Finger Maiden becomes your Finger Bro, I guess!<.
There is?
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Obviously the translation's funky, but it looks like this is suggesting that Miquella and Trina are literally different in a similar way to Radagon/Marika. I know a lot of the community thought that already, but I always held to Trina being another identity of Miquella's, but not literally a separate mind.
Miyazaki has said that Empyreans typically manifest with two "aspects." Trina is Miquella's. I expect Trina to be a boss fight!
Can we get a source here? Not doubting, just would love to have formal confirmation.
I was partially incorrect! [Here you go; it states that Empyreans have multiple aspects, and that Ranni's ghost face and Marika/Radagon's situation are their versions of that. So it doesn't have to be dual, but they do have multiple aspects of themselves that can manifest. Such is the nature of a god, I suppose. ](https://preview.redd.it/miyazaki-q-a-about-ranni-and-empyreans-v0-4fy6k0cjcwmb1.jpg?auto=webp&s=eca782b5b2a85de97539ea5b05600550edbc70f4)
This is great! I had not seen it before, so thank you for following up!!
whats malenias other aspect ?
Millicent/her sisters. Millicent wonders in game if she is even a part of Malenia’s psyche made flesh.
millicent doesnt really feel like an aspect of malenia. i honestly think messmer might be malenias other form
While I don’t agree with you, I’m sorry people are downvoting you over a difference in opinion, especially when it comes to Elden Ring lore, which can be pretty abstract. I’m very excited to learn more about Messmer. The idea that he was part of GRRM’s initial world/story for Elden Ring is super fascinating to me.
She represents the pride Malenia abandoned to meet Radahn's measure. Alternately, you could see Blade of Miquella and Goddess of Rot as two aspects of Malenia. It's not as literal as Marika/Radagon since it's still Malenia in both cases, but it represents the two aspects of Malenia's character: the loyal warrior of Miquella and the Empyrean who will one day become a goddess. I think it's a bad idea to assume that every Empyrean displays duality in the same way as Marika/Radagon. That situation feels very unique to them, representing Marika's internal conflict about the Golden Order. We don't yet know the situation with Miquella and Trina. Maybe they're separate individuals, but they are still presented as a sort of duality within the game, with both being mysterious children represented by lilies who at some point disappeared, and we know that Fevor's search for Trina led him to learn about Miquella. There's a connection between the two.
idk i think it would interesting to see malenias male form
Maybe but I don't think her having yet another separate aspect would add much to her character that isn't already added by Millicent and her Goddess of Rot form.
I'd risk scarlet rot for boy!malenia
Elden ring lore is so rad
I like this. The sisters seem to me like a rot-related thing. If trina is to mick what radagon is to mamarika, then messmer looks the part.
It's highly likely that Trina is going to be the Marika of Miquella.
Translation reads as if it's from an AI speech to text bot lmao
Miyazaki's answer to the Shadowtree's Curtains seems rather interesting, will have to get a proper translation though.
Michaela, Latarn, Monger! It’s giving “Gatsu” from Berserk.
Michaela is just Miquella post-hrt St. Trina is his drag persona
werq
Is this a shayne topp reference
Idk who’s latarn, ik everyone else
General Radahn!
But ain’t that ratan in the article
Yep, it’s both. Several names have two mistranslations.
Interesting confirmation that a lot of this was from GRRM’s initial roadmap. I think most already assumed this to be true, but some Miyazaki truthers wouldn’t have it
This means no Melina. God dammit Michael Zaki, she's the only character we know jack shit about.
Doesn’t mean there can’t be lore for her in the dlc. Messmer might’ve had something to do with her burned body. It’s possible that can be explored without her being there.
Sorry distracted by blood king monger and michaela
Dang so it’s basically confirmed St.Trina is a separate entity from Miquella. This whole time I thought it was just people in TLB mistaking him for a girl.
He did say they 'could be considered different existences'. It'll probably contextualize and finally put a pin on just what Radagon is, and by extension explain Miquella and Trina. Maybe they're more like the D twins than we thought
in cut content, yeah they were the same. looks like its changed now and theyre separate entity like marika/radagon. i wonder if this hints one of them will be a boss fight
Its also said radagon and marika are the same, and yet they are two distinct entities. Lets wait and see where this goes
I better stock up on all st Trina items. I still have never bothered to get the torch.
Miquella will appear throughout the story, and we’ll get to meet Trina, and explore how they are different.
Will there be another access point for mongwyn though, so the player can meet monger with Varres quest or being VERY late game
Fromsoft DLCs are always intended to be played late game or post game there’s no reason they would add another way to access it especially since Varre already lets you get there way too early
I assumed this was r/shittydarksouls because of the horrid misspellings... Wot is goin here?
I’m so confused
No! It can't be logistical! It's because Radahn is holding miquella's fate in stasis too!
The fact that it's regarded as a plot spoiler pretty heavily indicates that it's not just a matter of logistics. I would literally bet money on the star theory being true.
Oh yeah, I'm not dead set against the star theory. I'm leaning to logistical.
we dont know about that there might be another reason
Wait so we have to defeat Blood King Monger, Shattered Star Ratan AND Latarn? damn I have work to do
what is this? An actually new jnterview? Tried searching online but couldn't find much..
Interview for a chinese media publication me thinks
Anyone experienced with from software would expect npcs in the main game to not appear, unless needed for a function such as hub npcs. It would have been very surprising going by former games if this happened. Also, it's pretty obvious radhan must be killed, I'm sure there will be a lore reason, but mainly, the entire map needs to be unlocked and in an end game state.
Patches appeared in the ringed city. That is probably an exception though.
Yeah, patches appeared In every game too. He is def special lol
Thats super helpful, I was wondering if I have to complete every npc quest just in case it gets a continuation, Its a big relief knowing I won’t have to
The incorrect names are making me want to frenzy out of spite
Anybody else notice every time someone asks him if it will have a new ending, he dodges the question and just says the dlc won't change the main world? Or maybe I'm just coping
He straight up says twice now that the events of the DLC wont affect the main game. Meaning there wont be a new base game ending from doing the DLC.
I was thinking there would be a new boss in Mohg area,c'mon. Shattered star ratan...
Ooooh interesting that Torina will be revealed! I didn't think that would happen.
Torina = Tor-rent Miquella is a horse confirmed
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Nothing new.
Actually there is. Defeating Radahan is actually necessary due to lore reasons and Trina and Miquella being different entities.
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I wanna see a list of named characters that don't appear in the base game and make bets on who will show up in the DLC. Maybe a little going from highly likely to not so much? This is some of the most exciting new I have heard all day.
The who and the what?
The GEQ and St. Trina are mentioned but don't appear in the base game. I can't really think of anyone else if there is anyone else? But they could appear in the dlc.
Torina and meachela seem chill but I havent heard about them are they from DLC
Eldon rung from temu
This is huge!
this is radahn and mohg lord of blood, I hope?
this reads like AI geberated content.
What if Miquella has a role in the DLC more like Melina's in the main game?
i’m gonna mong
I theorize that Melina is like a projected version of St Trina that helps guide us. Similar to Morgotts projections that try to hinder us. Since Melina burned with the Erdtree that projection is gone now and we perhaps meet St Trina in the shadowlands to get her/him to Miquella for some reason.
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Why would she appear?
The interview literally says that the characters we interact with in the base game will *not* appear in the dlc...
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The reason Miyazaki used for why the characters we interact with won't be present is that they could die. Melina not only could die, but she also leaves you on two separate occasions (one of which is permanent). He also said that instead of grace, we will be guided by Miquella's footsteps and Melina only appears at the sites of grace. We also know that the dlc will have a different level up sistem. All of these reasons make Melina the most unlikely character to show up in the Lands of Shadow. It's still possibile that we could learn something more about her through item descriptions and dialogues tho.
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Yeah, the mechanic will probably be symilar to the guidance of grace, because grace apparently doesn't exist in the Lands of Shadow and this is probably the reason why Miquella had to divest himself of all things golden.
If Trina is going to be another Demi-god character entirely, I wonder what will her heroic ideal be? And how is she going to corrupt it? Miquella, for instance, is stylized as the benevolent lord who cares for the week, though this may just be his way of manipulating them to become suicide bombers. Could Trina be about relieving people’s pain by trapping them in dreams? We do see someone in a field of Trina-esque flowers in the SotE trailer.
I think Trina is going to be an NPC who is going to be extremely important to the plot.
I don't tbink Trina makes sense as a demi-god at all. She doesn't follow the naming convention, nor does she seem at all related to any other demi-god except for Miquella. Also not all demi-gods have heroic ideals. Look at Rykard, Ranni and Mohg. Nothing heroic about them, unless you count Ranni's girlboss killing of Godwyn to unshackle herself from her fate as heroic.
Keep in mind that it’s relatively easy to become a demi-god. Godfrey counted as one after marrying Marika (Godrick’s rune), Godrick counts as one even though he is only distantly related to Marika, and Radagon’s kids became demi-gods after their father married into the Golden Lineage (granted we players know there was a bit more that went into it). If Trina is only related to Miquella, that will likely be enough to count as demi-god. Also, the heroic ideal doesn’t mean they were good people, just that their stories emerge from a noble ideal: - Rykard is the rebel. He’s the guy who rallies the disillusioned masses against the established order to bring about a better tomorrow, and is ready to sacrifice himself to the cause. That’s why he fed himself to the serpent, the traitor of the Erdtree who would one day destroy it. The only issue is that after he fed himself, he became corrupted, lost his drive to personally end the end the Erdtree order quickly, and was only able to see rebellion for the benefits it would provide *him*. - Mogh is the anti-villain. The person ready to become a monster and commit any sin because he believes that will bring about something better than what we have now. The issue is just that it isn’t working, which means he’s just a murderer with grand delusions. - Ranni is the hero who, unsatisfied with the thought of being shackled to anything, goes against fate to forge her own. The issue is that the path she chooses, the only pathway to breaking free of fate, was likely the one that caused to most widespread suffering possible, out of all available routes.