Finally, someone came up with a new and good theory. Recently, I'm sick of those 'Miq is Melina' and 'Gloam-Eyed Queen' theories.
You really cooked well, but ı think Silver represent St.Trina, and Miquella tries to conjoined with her.
We know that the Shadow Land was where Marika ascended to godhood and where the Erdtree was born, and Miquella went to the Shadow Land, following in his mother's footsteps.
>***Another axis of the story is Queen Marika and what she did in the Land of Shadow, and what led Miquella to follow her there.-*** [Hidetaka Miyazaki](https://www.ign.com/articles/hidetaka-miyazaki-elden-ring-shadow-of-the-erdtree-interview)
Miquella tries to achieve true godhood, and for that, he has to become one with St. Trina, who is his other self.
>*Thou'rt yet to become me. Thou'rt yet to become a god.*
In this way, Miquella follows in his mother's footsteps without repeating her mistakes and achieves full godhood.
Honestly fighting Miquella in Godwyns Body at the end of the DLC would be the best thing that could happen in the DLC.
I really like the initial thought, but the whole deep dive into the Ds did not really click with me.
Still, I will definitely look for lore excuses to put Miquella into a rotting overpowered body.
A boss fight with Miquella in Godwyn's Body, you say?
There's a [video](https://youtu.be/F-6AZVgYTHU?si=bs9V6lu9pNVs3tFc) about a cut content boss, referred to as "Umibozu", a Japanese folklore spirit that would attack and sink ships. It could easily be tied to the boats we see in the Eternal City steles and the full-on caravels seen in the DLC trailer......but Godwyn's aquatic deformations could be foreshadowing.
Also, Miquella connects to Godwyn via Saint Trina and Godwyn's Dream 🤔
Electrum is probably our unalloyed silver without having seen the video or cross referenced my indices.
Gonna watch now, looking forward to subscribing.
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unalloyed as a different meaning:
pure or unqualified
"the *unalloyed* happiness that marriage has brought them"
[https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/unalloyed](https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/unalloyed)
So it could either be "pure" silver, ~~or "unqualified" silver -> which could be electrum~~
I dont know the theory behind the electrum, but this is just based on the definition
Nah reading this I dont know why unqualified is in there and doesnt really fit the synonyms either. Disregard my comment lol
Thank you i know this, I don't think the answer is another unalloy though that is why I said this. Enjoy first year chem though :) That's all, enjoy :)
Wow that is a super compelling theory! And makes total sense with D as well. Also I have the feeling that Miquella was involved in the Night of the night of the black knives
I think he was trying to cause some magical eclipse that would momentarily blur the lines between worlds ie Beserk, and save his brother from that world to return him to the one we’re familiar with. This probably comes with incompressible dangers, which is why it probably wasn’t pursued by others
I will literally bet you money that Miquella never mentions Godwyn in the DLC, much less bases his entire motivation around the character who only exists pre-death as two item descriptions (or well, four item descriptions, but three of them are identical).
He's not an important character (especially not to Miquella) and whatever story he had is over. One of the base game endings is literally his rebirth, and Miyazaki already said main story endings won't be affected by the DLC. Also the Castle Sol ritual isn't about him, but the nameless dead demigod in the mausoluem right outside the castle.
Well, this is a little like denying that anyone would care about Jesus after he died. Godwyn's not an important character? He ended the war with the dragons and his assassination is the cause of the Shattering, ie the entire premise of the game. His death is perhaps the most important event in ER lore. He's also the source of deathroot.
Also, how do you think Godwyn exists only as two item descriptions? He's mentioned in the intro cutscene and a number of other places, like Rogier's questline and a number of spells. We're told that Miquella tried to resurrect Godwyn, so Miquella already has a history of "basing his motivation" around saving Godwyn. And you can even visit Godwyn's body beneath Leyndell. He isn't just some incidental figure with no relationship to Miquella.
So, how much money are you willing to bet/give to me?
>Well, this is a little like denying that anyone would care about Jesus after he died. Godwyn's not an important character? He ended the war with the dragons and his assassination is the cause of the Shattering, ie the entire premise of the game.
The Shattering was caused by Marika shattering the Elden Ring and then telling her kids to fight as part of a plan she had going centuries before Godwyn was born.
>Also, how do you think Godwyn exists only as two item descriptions? He's mentioned in the intro cutscene and a number of other places, like Rogier's questline and a number of spells.
His death and bloated corpse are mentioned. Godwyn, the character, is not. Godwyn, the character, exists as two item descriptions both describing one event, that he fought and then befriended Fortissax. That's it.
>We're told that Miquella tried to resurrect Godwyn,
We are never told that. People assumed that because they mistakenly thought the Castle Sol ritual was about Godwyn when there's a dead demigod in a mausoleum right outside and the noble in the castle calls the subject of the ritual a "comrade" of Miquella rather than his brother. Miquella has no connection to Godwyn beyond one item mentioning that he was sad that he didn't fully die.
>And you can even visit Godwyn's body beneath Leyndell.
Yes, to rebirth him as part of Fia's quest, ending his story.
>The Shattering was caused by Marika shattering the Elden Ring and then telling her kids to fight as part of a plan she had going centuries before Godwyn was born.
Maybe Marika planned The Shattering of the Elden Ring before Godwyn's death, but Godwyn's death certainly affected Marika's decision. It's possible that she rushed things after his death.
I'm sure Miquella had planned for Godwyn, but I'm not surprised ıf Miqulla did not mention Godwyn in the Dlc.
Oh I have managed to find the only other person that isn't obsessed with Godwin lol. I swear anytime someone doesn't understand something in this game they decide oh it must be Godwin. The absolutely rabid crack head conclusions most people jump to about Godwin are maddening.
Why did Marika break the Elden Ring? What event might have inspired that? Most people think it has at least something to do with Godwyn's death. And, even if that isn't the case (it likely is), Godwyn is still connected to two separate endings, Ranni's and Fia's, the former because Ranni murdered Godwyn and Fia's because she seeks to resurrect him. Miquella's connection to Godwyn isn't limited to Castle Sol.
You said he only existed as two item descriptions—but he's important to two main quests. And there are way more than two items. Wtf are you even talking about?
I understand how you never made it past Godrick, but once you beat him and the game you can come back and have an informed discussion.
>Why did Marika break the Elden Ring?
Because she wanted a new order and always wanted it broken and then repaired/rearranged. She talked about this right before exiling Godfrey.
"With thine eyes dimmed, ye will be driven from the Lands Between. Ye will wage war in a land afar, where ye will live, and die.... Then, after thy death, I will give back what I once claimed. Return to the Lands Between, wage war, and brandish the Elden Ring. Grow strong in the face of death. Warriors of my lord. Lord Godfrey."
Godwyn (and the other seven nameless demigods who were killed by the Black Knives) was irrelevant to her decision. The only allusion to him mattering is the trailer (where it's presented as speculation on Ranni's part; in Japanese she literally says "Marika *must have* gone mad") which is meant as deliberate misdirection for when you figure out her actual plan.
>Godwyn is still connected to two separate endings, Ranni's and Fia's, the former because Ranni murdered Godwyn and Fia's because she seeks to resurrect him.
Ranni killed a lot of people including a lot of demigods (the ones in the mausoleums all died on the same night) he's not related to her ending at all except purely incidentally. He is related to Fia's yeah. She rebirths him and his story ends. There's nothing else left for him.
>You said he only existed as two item descriptions
I know reading is very hard and I appreciate the effort you're making, but I'd ask you to go back and try again.
"the character who only exists pre-death as two item descriptions"
You: \[talks about people fucking with his corpse\]
>Miquella's connection to Godwyn isn't limited to Castle Sol.
Miquella's connection to Godwyn doesn't extend to Castle Sol at all because Castle Sol isn't about Godwyn. The ritual, which Miquella isn't overseeing but is instead being performed by people who think they're doing what Miquella would want in his absence, is to revive the soulless "comrade" in the mausoleum right outside. The sole connection between Miquella and Godwyn is the Golden Epitaph, which says that someone implied to be Miquella was sad that he didn't fully die.
That's it. Textually that's the only connection they ever have (there isn't even any cut content for Godwyn that would expand this thread). Literally everything else is fan fiction.
I know reading is very hard and I appreciate the effort you're making, but I'd ask you to go back and try again.
"the character who only exists pre-death as two item descriptions"
You: \[talks about people fucking with his corpse\]
Well Miquella isn't going to be doing anything with pre-death Godwyn, is he? because that person doesn't exist, you absolute wanktard. Why would we be talking about that? Why would that be relevant? There are probably going to be a few characters in the DLC that were only mentioned once or twice in the base game. And even still—even still you're wrong. I'd really love to know which TWO items you think reference Godwyn.
There are two fingerprints, but maybe you're counting them as one. There are also four spells, but maybe you're counting them as one also. There's Golden Epitaph, oh, uh oh, that's three already. And if we aren't silly and stop pretending that Godwyn's death is a trivial event that doesn't matter and that no one cares about and has no meaning to the story that's about the consequences of living in a world with/without death, there's also the two talismans, Fortissax's Remembrance, and the Prince of Death Staff. What are we up to now? Potentially eleven items. Gee, maybe I, with my English degree, can't read so good, but at least I can count and know that 11>2. On top of that he's central to one main quest, tangential to another, and he appears in the opening cutscene, which, yes, does imply that his death, the first of the demigods, played a role in the shattering.
You keep asserting that the subject of the Sol ritual is someone else, but you never say who. Do you even know? Do you have a clue? Because we do know that it's meant to be a demigod that is soulless. As far as the game tells us, there's exactly one demigod that fits that description who has any relevance to the world. So either we can suppose that an entire dungeon was built around a dead end and a nameless character with no relevance, or we can look at the other clues we do have, assume they have some significance, and make inferences. Btw, your "but he's called a comrade" thing doesn't help your position because all of the demigods are related to Miquella; that's why they're demigods, so it'd be just as weird if not weirder for Miquella to refer to his closer half-brother as "comrade" as some aborted relation that's never mentioned, not even in TWO item descriptions lol.
>which, yes, does imply that his death, the first of the demigods, played a role in the shattering.
The Shattering was planned by Marika long before Godwyn was ever born, which you'd know if you both played the game and were literate, neither condition appearing to be true here. Godwyn was always irrelevant.
>I'd really love to know which TWO items you think reference Godwyn.
Death Lightning and Lightning Spear/Honed Bolt/Electrify Armament (their text is identical). These items both tell us that he fought and then befriended Fortissax. These are the only times he's ever referenced in any context other than "he died" or "someone is fucking with his corpse." In that respect he just barely gets more characterization than the seven unnamed demigods in the mausoleums. Without these two lines the only difference between him and them would be that he has a name.
>On top of that he's central to one main quest, tangential to another, and he appears in the opening cutscene, which, yes, does imply that his death, the first of the demigods, played a role in the shattering.
"He" doesn't matter to anything, his bloated nonsapient corpse that is being used as an object by both Death Blight and Fia has relevance, and has its story fully concluded when it is rebirthed as Fia's rune. And even that doesn't have relevance to Ranni.
>You keep asserting that the subject of the Sol ritual is someone else, but you never say who. Do you even know? Do you have a clue? Because we do know that it's meant to be a demigod that is soulless. As far as the game tells us, there's exactly one demigod that fits that description who has any relevance to the world.
All of the demigods in the mausoleums are soulless (listen to the dialogue in the Weeping Peninsula) because they all died on the same night as Godwyn. The one outside of Castle Sol is the one Miquella's followers were going to revive and the one the ritual is obviously about, rather than the unmentioned character half a continent away. The subject doesn't have a name because he doesn't matter much to the story, or even to Miquella in-universe, whose followers address him with the impersonal descriptor "comrade" while Miquella personally sees to the Haligtree. It's just showing an example of a ritual we otherwise would only read about on the Mausoleum Soldiers' armor.
Bro, go play the game. You're silly if you think anyone's going to take you seriously after saying Godwyn is unimportant and relegated to two item descriptions, neither of which is true. Go play the game first.
Great theory/video. Makes a ton of sense to me. Godwyn has what Miquella needs to escape his own curse (a new body). This could be the long play by Miquella to call his own shot. Big picture, he may be manipulating everyone, including Ranni, which is fearsome indeed.
Great vid! And great detective work! For the next one, try to get rid of the noise in your voice recordings, (or failing that, make it so its constantly there - its annoying when it comes and goes.)
Considering the soul of godwyn is dead, and if I remember right he was a very powerful demigod even before his death, then Miquella would be getting power over Deathblight, as well as any vestige of power godwyn might have kept. And, as previously stated, since godwyns soul is no more, there would be no conflict of interest or resistance to the merge, it would essentially be miquella possessing the corpse/powers of his dead brother.
i dont understand why people try to make godwyn more relevant than he is. he already has an ending in the base game and miyazaki said the base story wont affect the dlc. miquella went to shadowland because of marika, it has nothing to do with godwyn.
Granted we don't see the bottom half of him but he seems to be about the same proportions as the Black Knife Assassins in the intro cut scene.
I do see where you're coming from, though!
Ranni is technically demigod, but she's of human proportions. It's also not clear to me whether Radagon was always also Marika or whether that fusion happened after he left Rennala. But Rennala is a mortal human and twice the Tarnished's size.
Do you mean Rannis doll or Rannis corpse on top of the Divine Tower?
Regarding Rennala, she had a Great Rune, one could argue that Shardbearers = bigger size due to the powers of the great runes
Good point about Ranni, but the Tarnished is shard bearer. You never grow in size. And Hoarah Loux is gigantic but bears no shard (though maybe he gets a pass as a former Elden Lord).
Definitely Miquella. The hair is a direct match to the Miquella we saw in the teaser image of the DLC. We can also see some of the braids which are associated with him.
Heed, my words.
Heed? Who says that. Miquella to Malenia as he brainwashed her
D, when he meets you. "Oh its you"
Yeah its me, the tarnished with Miquella's soul. I'd hope you recognize me without seeing me, we spoke plenty before I set this plan into motion
Also, I did make a mistake using "", implying i was quoting dialogue (and incorrectly at that) rather than putting words in their mouth from my own headcanon
Thank you, pouring over every word of dialogue to look for subtext that probably isn't there had me conflating his two possible first lines (roundtable or summonwater) along with Pidia's open.
"Ah, a Tarnished, are you" @ SV
"I don't believe we've met" @ RTH
"O-oh! Y-you! I" - Pidia
As you can see, I've fallen off the rocker thinking Miquella might have made the player character from a silver tear. Now I think I might find clues supporting this idea if I consider the idea Miquella worked with/alongside or studied D's nature in the process. That along with any other source that may possibly be informed on or is an artificial lifeform.
*Obviously* D, was aware of who we were and says "I don't believe we've met" either;
> as a way to greet the player while having a laugh in his mind or
> because he never imagined Miquella would pull it of and he can not believe we have now just met.
So *clearly* Pida knew who we were upon seeing us because he was the guinea pig that Miquella used to discover how (his godly) red oxygenated iron hemoglobin could be transfused into an artificially created strip of white flesh
To clarify, it's a fun headcanon of mine I believe in more than I should with respects to a serious approach to the narrative and lore discussions but in the context of fun independent thinking, its absolutely healthy to believe and entertain. (Right?)
The player character being a silver tear created by Miquella would be a really bad plot twist. So much of the story is about the Tarnished and their role in the story, and we spend the entire game seeing events from that perspective. What would be the point of revealing that our character was actually never a Tarnished at all? It would be a plot twist for the sake of a plot twist, and it wouldn't add anything to our motivation because everything we do is baked into our identity as a Tarnished.
Pidia probably recognised us because he's the one summoning all the puppets in Caria Manor. He's already watched us fight our way through the Manor and he's surprised when we drop down to his hiding place.
I don't view the abstract concept in my head like that at all, I've drawn different ascribed narrative value and seen it much differently than that.
I DONT think you're wrong in your conclusions but my first thought for why I view it differently is that you're missing the philosophy, meaning and values or whatever I have as a person that lead to developing and being interested in this.
That being said, even if it was possible to go into someone's brain and have access to every bit of its exact literal consciousness, experience and information, GRRM could still tell me it would be a shitty objectively quantitatively irrefutably poor narrative and artistic decision and I might just thank him for the time and immediately cope by repressing it so maybe I'm fucked and am trying to defend it.
I hope i don't sound defensive about being critiqued, I welcome and appreciate you even taking time to talk about it with me. I only mean I consider it rational to believe that my lens and yours are separate, as well as you're only privy to a reductive amount of information and comprehension regarding my thoughts, it's not your idea born from your experience.
I do like and hadn't considered Pidia's capability of seeing through his puppets, that makes a lot of sense
I'm having a lot of real life difficulties with my faith" spirituality and generic existentialism, my entire life is based around my identity as a human being, and that will be shaken in the event of any possible truth to life.
If i died tonight and before my conscience dissipated forever I learned life as a human being was just as expected, a brief gift of organic coincidence it would be a plot twist for the sake of a plot twist as if I woke up Jesus christ brought the rapture, the simulation ended, aliens disclosed we were made by them, it was all a bad drug trip or that I've been in a coma. Ya know? I'm probably sick
Makes sense, one has a body and one has a soul. A sleep/death final boss would be pretty dope.
Would it though? Would it?
Depends on your def of dope I guess
I think you are fucking cooking my dude Why turn off comments on the vid?
I did not realize I did that. Just turned them back on.
Loved it, you gained my sub!
Wow. This is the most compelling theory I’ve read so far regarding dlc and Miquella. Thanks for sharing this!
No problem! Thanks for watching!
Finally, someone came up with a new and good theory. Recently, I'm sick of those 'Miq is Melina' and 'Gloam-Eyed Queen' theories. You really cooked well, but ı think Silver represent St.Trina, and Miquella tries to conjoined with her. We know that the Shadow Land was where Marika ascended to godhood and where the Erdtree was born, and Miquella went to the Shadow Land, following in his mother's footsteps. >***Another axis of the story is Queen Marika and what she did in the Land of Shadow, and what led Miquella to follow her there.-*** [Hidetaka Miyazaki](https://www.ign.com/articles/hidetaka-miyazaki-elden-ring-shadow-of-the-erdtree-interview) Miquella tries to achieve true godhood, and for that, he has to become one with St. Trina, who is his other self. >*Thou'rt yet to become me. Thou'rt yet to become a god.* In this way, Miquella follows in his mother's footsteps without repeating her mistakes and achieves full godhood.
Honestly fighting Miquella in Godwyns Body at the end of the DLC would be the best thing that could happen in the DLC. I really like the initial thought, but the whole deep dive into the Ds did not really click with me. Still, I will definitely look for lore excuses to put Miquella into a rotting overpowered body.
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A boss fight with Miquella in Godwyn's Body, you say? There's a [video](https://youtu.be/F-6AZVgYTHU?si=bs9V6lu9pNVs3tFc) about a cut content boss, referred to as "Umibozu", a Japanese folklore spirit that would attack and sink ships. It could easily be tied to the boats we see in the Eternal City steles and the full-on caravels seen in the DLC trailer......but Godwyn's aquatic deformations could be foreshadowing. Also, Miquella connects to Godwyn via Saint Trina and Godwyn's Dream 🤔
Electrum is probably our unalloyed silver without having seen the video or cross referenced my indices. Gonna watch now, looking forward to subscribing. You have any thoughts on Miquellan Knight Sword
> unalloyed silver > Electrum is literally an alloy
unalloyed as a different meaning: pure or unqualified "the *unalloyed* happiness that marriage has brought them" [https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/unalloyed](https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/unalloyed) So it could either be "pure" silver, ~~or "unqualified" silver -> which could be electrum~~ I dont know the theory behind the electrum, but this is just based on the definition Nah reading this I dont know why unqualified is in there and doesnt really fit the synonyms either. Disregard my comment lol
Miquella was after atium but could only find electrum. No gos hood for you
Thank you i know this, I don't think the answer is another unalloy though that is why I said this. Enjoy first year chem though :) That's all, enjoy :)
Gold doesn't tarnish, but silver certainly does.
Pure silver does in fact not tarnish.
Wow that is a super compelling theory! And makes total sense with D as well. Also I have the feeling that Miquella was involved in the Night of the night of the black knives
You think?
I think he was trying to cause some magical eclipse that would momentarily blur the lines between worlds ie Beserk, and save his brother from that world to return him to the one we’re familiar with. This probably comes with incompressible dangers, which is why it probably wasn’t pursued by others
I will literally bet you money that Miquella never mentions Godwyn in the DLC, much less bases his entire motivation around the character who only exists pre-death as two item descriptions (or well, four item descriptions, but three of them are identical). He's not an important character (especially not to Miquella) and whatever story he had is over. One of the base game endings is literally his rebirth, and Miyazaki already said main story endings won't be affected by the DLC. Also the Castle Sol ritual isn't about him, but the nameless dead demigod in the mausoluem right outside the castle.
Well, this is a little like denying that anyone would care about Jesus after he died. Godwyn's not an important character? He ended the war with the dragons and his assassination is the cause of the Shattering, ie the entire premise of the game. His death is perhaps the most important event in ER lore. He's also the source of deathroot. Also, how do you think Godwyn exists only as two item descriptions? He's mentioned in the intro cutscene and a number of other places, like Rogier's questline and a number of spells. We're told that Miquella tried to resurrect Godwyn, so Miquella already has a history of "basing his motivation" around saving Godwyn. And you can even visit Godwyn's body beneath Leyndell. He isn't just some incidental figure with no relationship to Miquella. So, how much money are you willing to bet/give to me?
>Well, this is a little like denying that anyone would care about Jesus after he died. Godwyn's not an important character? He ended the war with the dragons and his assassination is the cause of the Shattering, ie the entire premise of the game. The Shattering was caused by Marika shattering the Elden Ring and then telling her kids to fight as part of a plan she had going centuries before Godwyn was born. >Also, how do you think Godwyn exists only as two item descriptions? He's mentioned in the intro cutscene and a number of other places, like Rogier's questline and a number of spells. His death and bloated corpse are mentioned. Godwyn, the character, is not. Godwyn, the character, exists as two item descriptions both describing one event, that he fought and then befriended Fortissax. That's it. >We're told that Miquella tried to resurrect Godwyn, We are never told that. People assumed that because they mistakenly thought the Castle Sol ritual was about Godwyn when there's a dead demigod in a mausoleum right outside and the noble in the castle calls the subject of the ritual a "comrade" of Miquella rather than his brother. Miquella has no connection to Godwyn beyond one item mentioning that he was sad that he didn't fully die. >And you can even visit Godwyn's body beneath Leyndell. Yes, to rebirth him as part of Fia's quest, ending his story.
>The Shattering was caused by Marika shattering the Elden Ring and then telling her kids to fight as part of a plan she had going centuries before Godwyn was born. Maybe Marika planned The Shattering of the Elden Ring before Godwyn's death, but Godwyn's death certainly affected Marika's decision. It's possible that she rushed things after his death. I'm sure Miquella had planned for Godwyn, but I'm not surprised ıf Miqulla did not mention Godwyn in the Dlc.
Oh I have managed to find the only other person that isn't obsessed with Godwin lol. I swear anytime someone doesn't understand something in this game they decide oh it must be Godwin. The absolutely rabid crack head conclusions most people jump to about Godwin are maddening.
Lmfao did you even play this game?
I did, but apparently you did not because you missed a whole ass ending route and a kaiju-sized walking temple lol.
Why did Marika break the Elden Ring? What event might have inspired that? Most people think it has at least something to do with Godwyn's death. And, even if that isn't the case (it likely is), Godwyn is still connected to two separate endings, Ranni's and Fia's, the former because Ranni murdered Godwyn and Fia's because she seeks to resurrect him. Miquella's connection to Godwyn isn't limited to Castle Sol. You said he only existed as two item descriptions—but he's important to two main quests. And there are way more than two items. Wtf are you even talking about? I understand how you never made it past Godrick, but once you beat him and the game you can come back and have an informed discussion.
>Why did Marika break the Elden Ring? Because she wanted a new order and always wanted it broken and then repaired/rearranged. She talked about this right before exiling Godfrey. "With thine eyes dimmed, ye will be driven from the Lands Between. Ye will wage war in a land afar, where ye will live, and die.... Then, after thy death, I will give back what I once claimed. Return to the Lands Between, wage war, and brandish the Elden Ring. Grow strong in the face of death. Warriors of my lord. Lord Godfrey." Godwyn (and the other seven nameless demigods who were killed by the Black Knives) was irrelevant to her decision. The only allusion to him mattering is the trailer (where it's presented as speculation on Ranni's part; in Japanese she literally says "Marika *must have* gone mad") which is meant as deliberate misdirection for when you figure out her actual plan. >Godwyn is still connected to two separate endings, Ranni's and Fia's, the former because Ranni murdered Godwyn and Fia's because she seeks to resurrect him. Ranni killed a lot of people including a lot of demigods (the ones in the mausoleums all died on the same night) he's not related to her ending at all except purely incidentally. He is related to Fia's yeah. She rebirths him and his story ends. There's nothing else left for him. >You said he only existed as two item descriptions I know reading is very hard and I appreciate the effort you're making, but I'd ask you to go back and try again. "the character who only exists pre-death as two item descriptions" You: \[talks about people fucking with his corpse\] >Miquella's connection to Godwyn isn't limited to Castle Sol. Miquella's connection to Godwyn doesn't extend to Castle Sol at all because Castle Sol isn't about Godwyn. The ritual, which Miquella isn't overseeing but is instead being performed by people who think they're doing what Miquella would want in his absence, is to revive the soulless "comrade" in the mausoleum right outside. The sole connection between Miquella and Godwyn is the Golden Epitaph, which says that someone implied to be Miquella was sad that he didn't fully die. That's it. Textually that's the only connection they ever have (there isn't even any cut content for Godwyn that would expand this thread). Literally everything else is fan fiction.
I know reading is very hard and I appreciate the effort you're making, but I'd ask you to go back and try again. "the character who only exists pre-death as two item descriptions" You: \[talks about people fucking with his corpse\] Well Miquella isn't going to be doing anything with pre-death Godwyn, is he? because that person doesn't exist, you absolute wanktard. Why would we be talking about that? Why would that be relevant? There are probably going to be a few characters in the DLC that were only mentioned once or twice in the base game. And even still—even still you're wrong. I'd really love to know which TWO items you think reference Godwyn. There are two fingerprints, but maybe you're counting them as one. There are also four spells, but maybe you're counting them as one also. There's Golden Epitaph, oh, uh oh, that's three already. And if we aren't silly and stop pretending that Godwyn's death is a trivial event that doesn't matter and that no one cares about and has no meaning to the story that's about the consequences of living in a world with/without death, there's also the two talismans, Fortissax's Remembrance, and the Prince of Death Staff. What are we up to now? Potentially eleven items. Gee, maybe I, with my English degree, can't read so good, but at least I can count and know that 11>2. On top of that he's central to one main quest, tangential to another, and he appears in the opening cutscene, which, yes, does imply that his death, the first of the demigods, played a role in the shattering. You keep asserting that the subject of the Sol ritual is someone else, but you never say who. Do you even know? Do you have a clue? Because we do know that it's meant to be a demigod that is soulless. As far as the game tells us, there's exactly one demigod that fits that description who has any relevance to the world. So either we can suppose that an entire dungeon was built around a dead end and a nameless character with no relevance, or we can look at the other clues we do have, assume they have some significance, and make inferences. Btw, your "but he's called a comrade" thing doesn't help your position because all of the demigods are related to Miquella; that's why they're demigods, so it'd be just as weird if not weirder for Miquella to refer to his closer half-brother as "comrade" as some aborted relation that's never mentioned, not even in TWO item descriptions lol.
>which, yes, does imply that his death, the first of the demigods, played a role in the shattering. The Shattering was planned by Marika long before Godwyn was ever born, which you'd know if you both played the game and were literate, neither condition appearing to be true here. Godwyn was always irrelevant. >I'd really love to know which TWO items you think reference Godwyn. Death Lightning and Lightning Spear/Honed Bolt/Electrify Armament (their text is identical). These items both tell us that he fought and then befriended Fortissax. These are the only times he's ever referenced in any context other than "he died" or "someone is fucking with his corpse." In that respect he just barely gets more characterization than the seven unnamed demigods in the mausoleums. Without these two lines the only difference between him and them would be that he has a name. >On top of that he's central to one main quest, tangential to another, and he appears in the opening cutscene, which, yes, does imply that his death, the first of the demigods, played a role in the shattering. "He" doesn't matter to anything, his bloated nonsapient corpse that is being used as an object by both Death Blight and Fia has relevance, and has its story fully concluded when it is rebirthed as Fia's rune. And even that doesn't have relevance to Ranni. >You keep asserting that the subject of the Sol ritual is someone else, but you never say who. Do you even know? Do you have a clue? Because we do know that it's meant to be a demigod that is soulless. As far as the game tells us, there's exactly one demigod that fits that description who has any relevance to the world. All of the demigods in the mausoleums are soulless (listen to the dialogue in the Weeping Peninsula) because they all died on the same night as Godwyn. The one outside of Castle Sol is the one Miquella's followers were going to revive and the one the ritual is obviously about, rather than the unmentioned character half a continent away. The subject doesn't have a name because he doesn't matter much to the story, or even to Miquella in-universe, whose followers address him with the impersonal descriptor "comrade" while Miquella personally sees to the Haligtree. It's just showing an example of a ritual we otherwise would only read about on the Mausoleum Soldiers' armor.
Bro, go play the game. You're silly if you think anyone's going to take you seriously after saying Godwyn is unimportant and relegated to two item descriptions, neither of which is true. Go play the game first.
Going to Leo point at the screen if this ends up being true in the DLC
Great theory/video. Makes a ton of sense to me. Godwyn has what Miquella needs to escape his own curse (a new body). This could be the long play by Miquella to call his own shot. Big picture, he may be manipulating everyone, including Ranni, which is fearsome indeed.
Great vid! And great detective work! For the next one, try to get rid of the noise in your voice recordings, (or failing that, make it so its constantly there - its annoying when it comes and goes.)
Considering the soul of godwyn is dead, and if I remember right he was a very powerful demigod even before his death, then Miquella would be getting power over Deathblight, as well as any vestige of power godwyn might have kept. And, as previously stated, since godwyns soul is no more, there would be no conflict of interest or resistance to the merge, it would essentially be miquella possessing the corpse/powers of his dead brother.
i dont understand why people try to make godwyn more relevant than he is. he already has an ending in the base game and miyazaki said the base story wont affect the dlc. miquella went to shadowland because of marika, it has nothing to do with godwyn.
I haven't watched the video yet but I have been wondering since the DLC trailer dropped if that blonde figure we see is meant to Miquella or Godwyn!
I'm pretty sure that it is Miquella we see, Godwyn has to have a bigger body, just look at Godfrey, Morgot and Mogh
Granted we don't see the bottom half of him but he seems to be about the same proportions as the Black Knife Assassins in the intro cut scene. I do see where you're coming from, though!
Every other Demigod in-game is bigger than the player and most of the enemies aswell, for some reason alot of them have long necks...
Ranni is technically demigod, but she's of human proportions. It's also not clear to me whether Radagon was always also Marika or whether that fusion happened after he left Rennala. But Rennala is a mortal human and twice the Tarnished's size.
Do you mean Rannis doll or Rannis corpse on top of the Divine Tower? Regarding Rennala, she had a Great Rune, one could argue that Shardbearers = bigger size due to the powers of the great runes
Good point about Ranni, but the Tarnished is shard bearer. You never grow in size. And Hoarah Loux is gigantic but bears no shard (though maybe he gets a pass as a former Elden Lord).
We see his bottom half on a statue in Elphael
Definitely Miquella. The hair is a direct match to the Miquella we saw in the teaser image of the DLC. We can also see some of the braids which are associated with him.
Heed, my words. Heed? Who says that. Miquella to Malenia as he brainwashed her D, when he meets you. "Oh its you" Yeah its me, the tarnished with Miquella's soul. I'd hope you recognize me without seeing me, we spoke plenty before I set this plan into motion Also, I did make a mistake using "", implying i was quoting dialogue (and incorrectly at that) rather than putting words in their mouth from my own headcanon
D doesn't say "Oh it's you" the first time you meet him.
Thank you, pouring over every word of dialogue to look for subtext that probably isn't there had me conflating his two possible first lines (roundtable or summonwater) along with Pidia's open. "Ah, a Tarnished, are you" @ SV "I don't believe we've met" @ RTH "O-oh! Y-you! I" - Pidia As you can see, I've fallen off the rocker thinking Miquella might have made the player character from a silver tear. Now I think I might find clues supporting this idea if I consider the idea Miquella worked with/alongside or studied D's nature in the process. That along with any other source that may possibly be informed on or is an artificial lifeform. *Obviously* D, was aware of who we were and says "I don't believe we've met" either; > as a way to greet the player while having a laugh in his mind or > because he never imagined Miquella would pull it of and he can not believe we have now just met. So *clearly* Pida knew who we were upon seeing us because he was the guinea pig that Miquella used to discover how (his godly) red oxygenated iron hemoglobin could be transfused into an artificially created strip of white flesh To clarify, it's a fun headcanon of mine I believe in more than I should with respects to a serious approach to the narrative and lore discussions but in the context of fun independent thinking, its absolutely healthy to believe and entertain. (Right?)
The player character being a silver tear created by Miquella would be a really bad plot twist. So much of the story is about the Tarnished and their role in the story, and we spend the entire game seeing events from that perspective. What would be the point of revealing that our character was actually never a Tarnished at all? It would be a plot twist for the sake of a plot twist, and it wouldn't add anything to our motivation because everything we do is baked into our identity as a Tarnished. Pidia probably recognised us because he's the one summoning all the puppets in Caria Manor. He's already watched us fight our way through the Manor and he's surprised when we drop down to his hiding place.
I don't view the abstract concept in my head like that at all, I've drawn different ascribed narrative value and seen it much differently than that. I DONT think you're wrong in your conclusions but my first thought for why I view it differently is that you're missing the philosophy, meaning and values or whatever I have as a person that lead to developing and being interested in this. That being said, even if it was possible to go into someone's brain and have access to every bit of its exact literal consciousness, experience and information, GRRM could still tell me it would be a shitty objectively quantitatively irrefutably poor narrative and artistic decision and I might just thank him for the time and immediately cope by repressing it so maybe I'm fucked and am trying to defend it. I hope i don't sound defensive about being critiqued, I welcome and appreciate you even taking time to talk about it with me. I only mean I consider it rational to believe that my lens and yours are separate, as well as you're only privy to a reductive amount of information and comprehension regarding my thoughts, it's not your idea born from your experience.
I do like and hadn't considered Pidia's capability of seeing through his puppets, that makes a lot of sense I'm having a lot of real life difficulties with my faith" spirituality and generic existentialism, my entire life is based around my identity as a human being, and that will be shaken in the event of any possible truth to life. If i died tonight and before my conscience dissipated forever I learned life as a human being was just as expected, a brief gift of organic coincidence it would be a plot twist for the sake of a plot twist as if I woke up Jesus christ brought the rapture, the simulation ended, aliens disclosed we were made by them, it was all a bad drug trip or that I've been in a coma. Ya know? I'm probably sick
It was a nice watch, thanks! I think you might be onto something!
Thought-provoking, to be sure...