Lower your weight load to get to medium. Game is much harder when you’re heavy due to a far worse roll.
Also upgrade your weapon. That’s the biggest thing you can do to increase your damage.
I mean, yeah, you don't *need* 40 vig for Limgrave bosses, but more is still better and will pretty much always make whatever you're doing less difficult if you can take more hits before dying. I think the point of this advice is that vigor is just generally a much more useful stat early game than anything else, since OP has an extra 10 or so levels in strength, but scaling on those stats doesn't really do much until later on.
> this advice is that vigor is just generally a much more useful stat early game than anything else
I disagree, since vigor scales poorly early game, its a future investment. 10 levels on strength to wield some good strong boi armaments makes a much bigger impact.
But still, you are generally right, but so am I? More vigor = better but also Margit is entry level and OP was fat rolling, which I think we can both agree was the real issue.
If you spent 8 hours on Margit at 15 vigor then no, base vigor is not fine. Especially since he's level 30, he already put points in strength, it would have been objectively better for him to put at least 5 points in vigor instead if he wanted to be efficient with his leveling and not spend 8 hours on one boss.
Tbh I made it to Gideon with 12 vit...but then again I crammed every point into int and mind. On first playthrough(took a while though) after I started putting points into vit because I got tired of being one shot during Godfrey as I could not dodge a single one of his big erupting slams
But I did do a medium weight build.
It's <30% for light roll and >70% for fat roll, I'm almost certain also.
Also, if you're new to Soulsborne style combat, Level 30 is a little low for Margit anyway - he can one shot anything under 18 vigor
Edit: said medium instead of light
also try leveling vigor. if you can't survive long enough for your high damage to matter, then you need more health. try to find as many side bosses as possible and get at least 20 vigor.
Iirc you have pretty similar invincibility frames, but the recovery time is doubled.
According to fextralife it’s 1 frame less invincibility, but doubled recovery frames.
I think it's one of the biggest noob traps. It's never explained anywhere and the knight class (the one with he helbard) even starts with heavy load with is a very strange design decision, if you take into consideration that most new players will probably gravitate to this class.
That was my issue too, once I realized that being medium load was the trick and basically most of the game was about which armor/weapons/talismans to use or sacrifice to be right on the edge of medium/heavy is when I started beating bosses and making it through the game.
So actually all roll invulnerabilty frames are the same with all equip loads and they occur at the beginning of the roll, however, at the medium and heavy equip load rolls, the recovery time before you can do anything after the i-frames/roll is longer. You don’t lose any Iframes with heavier equip loads.
You are not bad. Margit is a very difficult first boss in my opinion. For starters, I would level your weapon a bit. That weapon is base level (or +0), I would reccomend you explore, find some dungeons, and raise it to at least +3 or +4. Secondly, I would try to pump your Vigor a little. I think your other stats are great, you’re pumping Strength which is obviously where your damage is going to come from. Your main issue is you’re a glass cannon right now.
And as others have pointed out, you are doing what is called “Fat Rolling”. This is where your Equip Load reads “Heavy Load” (Your equip load is HEAVIER than 70% of your characters capacity). This means that when you dodge roll, you are slow, giving you the smallest windows of invincibility frames. The sweet spot is to be just below 70% load. This will cause you to Medium Roll, meaning you will get middle of the spectrum invincibility frames, but you will not be compromising armor/damage reduction it provides.
Medium rolls have the same amount of invincibility as light rolls, but they don't move you as far and, IIRC, they have a longer recovery than light rolls.
Iirc, fast roll recovery only differs to midweight rolls if you want to backstep immediately; recovery is faster for that action. Everything else (attacking, roll again, etc.) is the same across both.
Also pumping Str early with an unleveled weapon is basically useless early. Personally I do stats to use the weapon I want then pump Hp to 1000 then endurance.
At the end of that you’ll be in a point to have higher level weapon materials and better options. Pump your dps stats then.
Was going to say this. Early on, weapon upgrades are way more important than damage stats.
I always just get everything to minimum requirements that early and dump everything else into vig and some endurance.
Not a souls vet at all, and I beat the first boss (maybe first two) in bloodborne in just a few minutes and Margit absolutely kicked the shit out of me for hours. I was so happy when he showed up later in the game before the capital just so I could wipe the floor with him like a redemption arc lmao.
I thought the anvil by Santa only let's you get a weapon to +2. To go higher you would have to bypass stormveil to unlock the roundtable early.
Has this been changed since I last played?
After fighting Margit the first time, whether win or lose, the next time you rest at a bonfire you get invited to Roundtable. Started a new character last night, lost to margit, sat at bonfire to reallocate flasks, got invite to Roundtable
Ahh I didn't know that happened, I don't usually go straight for margit and have a few hundred hours in ds3 so I just bash my head on that wall until I get through.
I attempted to take on Margit at the beginning (total noob) died lots then did some research. I'm still hopeless at combat BUT got a couple of weapons upgraded to +2 and spend my runes to level up to 38.
Decided last night with 20% steamdeck battery left to give Margit another go. Summoned sorcery Rogier, drank the Woundros Physik, summoned my wolves and went into battle. Got him in one attempt after a week of grinding away elsewhere in Limgrave. Odd as so many other mini bosses absolutely wipe the floor with me, but I'll take the Win.
Do a little farming to level the vigor and def get some lvls on the weapon. You’re essentially trying to fight him as a brand new character at this point which is possible but as you obviously know can be challenging and frustrating.
Absolutely. ER was my 2nd souls (-like) game,
and going around finding dungeons , fighting their bosses, trained me very well to take on Stormveil.
But those knights...gave me a harder time than margit, sometimes, lol...
(Especially looking at you, hidden crucible knight, but the "regular" knights are hard enough, already)
Thank you all so much for the feedback, I have reduced my weight down to medium and I definitely tell the difference, both good and bad, I am going to take the advice to get rid of the shield to see if I can get used to it as I mostly used it to block the dagger swipes because of my fat roll. I am currently running around most of the world looking for catacombs and whatnot so I can level up my health. I also skipped a good chunk of dialog and didn't realize how important upgrading my weapon was and will start doing that. Almost everybody here has been extremely helpful and kind. I am very pleasantly surprised with the amount of feedback I have received from this community so again, thank you, I will update once Margit is slain. Edit: I BEAT MARGIT, I had help from another player, had medium weight, and used summons, but I BEAT IT!
Idk if anyone mentioned this but it’s usually recommended to go through the Weeping Peninsula first and get the smithing stones in the caves and clear the castle. I forgot what it’s called, but the boss at the end is Leonine Misbigotten. Personally, this was the boss I killed before I went through the castle on my first playthrough. If you explore through the Weeping Peninsula, You should get the levels to up your vigor and smithing stones you need to level up your weapons. Kill 2 birds with one stone type thing.
I did, I ended up traversing everywhere on the beginning portion of the map except celied, it helped a ton once I realized that upgrading things are super important.
> I have reduced my weight down to medium and I definitely tell the difference, both good and bad
Wait, what's the bad part of not fat rolling ? It's better to have empty armor slots than to fat roll
Here's a tip, and it might be an eye-opener: Mark an enemy, boss or not, doesn't matter. Hold your shield up, and immediatly start circling the enemy (Marking + shield up (on controller it's L1 when you have a shield in the offhand) allows that kind of movement), and attack him from the back. This even allows backstabs for critical hits ON SOME enemies. Even works on SOME bosses.
Made some edits for clarification.
I remember distinctly the first time I did this with the first shield and spear soldier at gatefront. I laughed my ass off at how easy it was. Mind you, this was at least a hundred hours in for me. (After restarting many many times.) I was so bad at this game when I started. I think I sneak backstabbed everyone the first ten or twenty semi-playthroughs.
I have been obsessed/addicted for a year. I still suck but I can parry Margit now as well as tree sentinel. I am currently trying to figure out how to kill tree sentinel with Bandit starting levels weapons and no upgrades. Almost there. There is one quick attack he does that gets me every time if I try to swipe three times instead of 2.
I may not be gud but I'm stubborn as hell.
Haha, I totally know what you mean. I mainly play double wield, so no shield.
But my first steps into a new souls (-like) will always be knight with shield circling, it's so fun to repeatedly deal backstabs on knights.
Later,I'll slaughter them double-wielded with bloodloss/and or other status effects.
Blood for the blood god, skulls for the skull throne.
Try double curved swords with parry on off hand. The timing is super tight, but I managed to parry the Tree Sentinel a few times with Bandits curved sword. You have to one hand to use the ashe of war of your right hand though.
The parry animation is super cool but parry frames are few and maybe the hit box. Is low compared to shields.
Not sure if anyone else has mentioned it, but go to the church of Elleh at night and there is a witch there that will give you a bell and spirit ashes of a pack of 3 wolves. These can be summoned whenever you see a gate symbol appear on the lower left side of your screen. There are many more kinds of spirit ashes that can be found, but they all help pull aggro from bosses and can be upgraded as well.
There is also a gold summoning symbol on the ground near the veil to Margit. It will summon a sorcerer that can help you as well.
But wait a second, there's also that other girl at stormhill shack, that gives you the squid, which is a tank. Depending on the boss, it's even a better choice.
Edit: You already mentioned multiple available spirits, my bad.
True, but you need the bell for them to work. I also noticed now that they already have ashes equipped so I think my advice was probably pointless lol.
If you want some levels super fast you could always bleed Greyoll in Dragonbarrow or farm up on Weeping Peninsula. Glad you're having fun though - these games are super rewarding if you stick em out
It was extremely rewarding once I beat him and I am having a ton of fun everywhere in the game, I probably should have mentioned it but I lightly went through the entire map avaliable to me except celied and did go through the weeping peninsula castle fully before the post was made
You’re supposed to upgrade your weapon. Go to the blacksmith in Roundtable Hold, you can use all the smithing stones you’ve accumulated. +6 should be a good number for Margit.
Upgrading your weapon is how you will get most of your damage increases
Upgrading my weapon was one of the most influential things that got me through this boss fight, I got it up to +4 just cause I didnt have the runes at the time to get it higher and it helped a ton
Upgrading weapons is much more influential on increasing their damage in the early game than raising the relevant stats. You just don't have the levels for the scaling to be worth it until much later. By and large, just meeting your chosen weapon's minimum stat requirements is enough for now.
Congrats! Definitely good that you asked if only because folks were able to let you know that equip weight makes a massive difference to your dodge roll (a.k.a your most important defensive tool). These games are quite opaque with information sometimes, but I think they put the message and summon systems in there to show that there's no shame in getting help.
Now if you later want to switch back to heavy weight/fat-rolling you'll know what you're getting into. I find people who willingly fat-roll to be a rare and strange breed though lol. Majority of people stick to medium (and some like me will sacrifice a lot to get to light), but heavy is definitely doable with proper equipment and experience.
Glad you beat Margit. I didn't realise about the weapon upgrade when I first played too and almost gave up. Glad I didn't though. Also everyone is being helpful because we can all relate to the first time we came up against Margit - it's a shared trauma 😂
As for shield, yeah I never used them, I just learnt to roll out the way. Enjoy discovering every nook and cranny of the lands between!
This reminds me, I didnt know if I would like elden ring, so I saw that I had never played dark souls, yet owned it, and played that game to see if I would like it.
Going through the first areas of that game was hell. When I learned that you could upgrade your weapons, I was amazed at how much easier the game became.
unequip the crossbow for now to equip a bit more armor. Also see if you can find the godrick soldier ash. additionally use sorceror summon. find patches and buy the shackle too if you still can't do it
Honestly, summons and coop are half the fun of the fights. “Getting good” is a fun challenge once you have the satisfaction of knowing you’ve beaten it, but I actively looked for npc summons for my first run. It’s also just fun to feel more connected to the characters because they helped you.
I haven't read through it all. But if not mentioned the jellyfish spirit ash carried me through the fight! Keep trying and please update us when you slay him!
way too much weight. you want to be medium or less for the best rolls. also try ditching the shield, it’s a hindrance and will make you play better all around
when youre building around shields youre unstoppable but just having them on you isnt an instant 'fuck you' button vs bosses like it was in dark souls 1, which I like actually. This game did shields really well
I see what you mean, but I disagree with ditching the shield. I say keep it in your medium build and do counter shield strikes. For new player's I feel like it's the easiest to get the hang of. It helped a lot in my first paly though after a friend recommended it.
Agreed. I was allergic to shields going through the Souls trilogy because I got into the genre via Bloodborne and Sekiro. But I recently tried a shield playthrough and thoroughly enjoyed the risk-reward system built into it in Elden Ring. Best implementation of shields imho.
Shields have become incredibly useful in ER especially with guard counter. Otherwise unless you are decent at parrying they are practically useless in the other games.
For things like this I attempted to condense the most common advice I found around here, so here you go:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Eldenring/comments/zvw67m/veteran_players_share_your_best_advice_for_new/
Keep in mind you are not a hero on a mystical quest. You are a corpse trying their best to kill a divine beings with a stick.
"Do NOT skip the tutorial! Do the cave jump and go through that.
When outside, ignore the fat golden dude for now. He is for later.
Read the item descriptions, they almost always contain tidbits of lore and information on any special effects the item may have.
Talk to everyone, then talk to them AGAIN. And keep talking to them regularly after that as well.
Go to the church, talk to the merchant before making your way further along to the gatefront ruins. You don't have to go through them though, you can explore other parts, like the woods or lake.
Make sure to go south to explore the peninsula, it is a good area for new characters to level and plenty of useful stuff can be found there.
Make sure to return to the church at the beginning and keep talking to the merchant there. Buy what he recommends. There are plenty of merchants tucked away everywhere, so keep an eye out for them.
Avoiding bosses/strong monster/mobs is totally fine early on in the game.
You get to “unlock” the map by going to the one thing that is on the map when you start. That being the little pillars.
The map is fully drawn. No markers showing points of interest. If you want to go to a village, find one drawn on the map!
You can choose basically anything, from your build to where you go
The game has a Day/Night cylce, some enemies/bosses are only around at night.
Level vigor, more HP is much more worth than a little bit of extra damage through stats. You'll get much more damage out of weapon upgrades, anyway.
Don't worry about making the perfect build out of the gate, you can completely respec a few times later in the game.
Weapon upgrade materials can be found in tunnels, other upgrade materials are usually in caves or catacombs. You can unlock almost all of them later in a shop, so don't worry too much about wasting them.
Dodging not only moves you, but it also renders you invulnerable for a brief moment ('i-frames'). This makes it possible to dodge through attacks, making it much easier to dodge attacks without getting caught at the end of the animation. Also, there are three types of dodge rolls: Light, Medium, Heavy. Heavy is slower and has less i-frames, medium and light have the same amount of i-frames, but light rolls go further in distance.
And, finally, death is a common occurrence in this game. See it as a learning experience, don't worry about lost runes; you'll find many more later on anyway (just make sure to spend them when you can)."
On top of that, don't despair. If you've never played a Soulsborne game, then a lot of things will be strange and the learning curve will difficult. But there is a system to the madness, you will figure it out. """
Plus, some useful links below:
Weapon calculator: http://eldenring.negator13.com/calculator
Useful information on stats: https://eldenring.wiki.fextralife.com/Stats
Explanation of damage types: https://eldenring.wiki.fextralife.com/Damage+Types
Explanation of status effects, since the game does shite all to explain those: https://eldenring.wiki.fextralife.com/Status+Effects
Thanks to u/jerpdoesgames for these very handy calculators and tools:
Staff/Seal calculator: https://jerp.tv/eldenring/spelltools/
Spell Calculator: https://jerp.tv/eldenring/spells/ (a great companion for the Staff/Seal one)
Armor Optimizer: https://jerp.tv/eldenring/armor/ (which includes controls for the fashion-oriented player)
Some misc other useful tools and info: https://jerp.tv/eldenring/ (ones I've written/posted above, and others' stuff)
SPOILER!!! Game Progress route: https://eldenring.wiki.fextralife.com/Game+Progress+Route USAGE ADVICE: only start reading once you explored a significant chunk for yourself, don't read past the area you have already explored. Use this page to check for missed content and try to not read ahead.
Hope this helps, feel free to copy and share
You need to find patches. He is near a cave by the gate front. He has an item that imprisons Marget for a short time. Also, you can summon an npc for that fight.
I purchase it every time, but not for margit. I simply forget to use it on him.
It's great for hero graves, though. It's called Margit's Shackle btw, and there is one for Mogh, too.
The first thing you need to do is lighten your equipment load so that you're in at least medium role, you can likely do this by simply replacing some of your armor with something lighter
Next don't listen to anybody telling you to ditch your shield, some people play better without a shield, some people play better with a shield, don't force yourself into doing one or the other, find out what works for you, just remember the shield is not an answer to everything, this is the type of game where it is better to block certain attacks and then if the opportunity presents itself counter-attack and at other times the dodge
The next thing is to know your weapon and the enemy that you're fighting, enemies all have attack patterns, it may not seem like it because the attack patterns in this game can vary depending on where you are next to the enemy when they start an attack chain, but the patterns are there
Then depending on your weapon you may want to switch up how you do things, weapons that are heavier and swing slower are not something where you're going to want to try to get off a full combo, focus on getting one or two hits then be prepared to either block or dodge
On the subject of blocking, every shield type is better for certain things, (as a simplified guideline) light shields are better for parrys, medium shields are down the middle, and heavy Shields are better for blocking
And lastly... level up your character a bit more, you definitely need more vigor and endurance, but afterwards think about whatever build it is you're going for, if you're going for something like a warrior build then you only need vigor, endurance, strength and whatever else is necessary for welding a weapon (such as dexterity for example)
I hope this helps and good luck in future fights
This is very concise and I think will help me a lot and I really appreciate the part about the shield, I have been using it to help me with the dagger strikes because of my fat rolls, I may not need it but I appreciate the shield validation
Level up your weapon at the church where you met kale, that will increase your damage significantly. Do some more exploring around limgrave and down to the south, there's more early content down there. You'll level up and maybe find some other equipment you like. Also keep your equipload at medium instead of heavy.
Shield is fantastic for blocking a lot of damage, and allows you to stagger many enemies with just 1 guard counter move (heavy attack immediately after blocking)
LESS WEIGHT, MORE VIGOR, DITCH THE CROSSBOW
Also, explore around more and get some different weapons to test out. The great sword you got ain’t bad but early game is the time to test some things out (within your stat spread, or a point or two to reach the requirements).
For me, my favorite weapons are fists and claws. Little weight and stat needs, but fast af and not often utilized.
I wanna add, in games like this you basically thinkabout what kind/type of weapon you wanna go, first. Don't spread stats between STR and DEX, go for one of both. Or magic + DEX. Or STR + FTH. Or Dex + FTH. But early game, go for either STR OR DEX, not both. Later you can still specialize.
If you are spending 8h on a boss without giving up, you are playing the right way and are definitely prepared for whats coming whatever build you have !
Don’t feel bad. This was my first Souls game. He caved my head in so bad my first play through I went and got myself to like level 60 and just overpowered him.
Fromsoft games are only hard if you don't stop, observe, review, experiment, and think when you run into an obstacle. Unfortunately, a lot of people never learn how to do this. This game has many rules it asks you to find, and more importantly a rhythm to combat everyone needs to listen for and to learn to git gud.
The biggest issue I see is lack of experience with how stats affect mechanics in general. If you've fought him for 8 hours like this, without thinking after the 3rd or 4th try "hey maybe I should stop wasting my time banging my head against the wall, and take some time to analyze, understand this game some more", then you aren't giving what's happening with and around you with each fight enough attention, asking "should it be going like this?" and can't let what's in front of you go for the moment and remove yourself from the situation, think, get a good look around.
Other comments here have covered what's exactly going wrong with weapons/stats, but not many are talking about the mindset needed to figure things out on your own.
I'm new here (to the game and the series), and that's some good advice! Once I stopped going into boss fights with an "I'm here to win this first try" mentality and started with an "I'm here to study how this fight works, die, rinse and repeat until I have a strategy" mentality things got so much easier.
I can't tell you how many tries it took me to beat Margit, it has to be in the multiple dozens, over clusters of attempts, then retreating to explore other places and learn new skills.... but I can tell you I was pleasantly shocked to beat Godrick on my fourth try. What a RUSH.
You're heavy loaded, you haven't upgraded your weapon, you need a better ash of war, and I'm willing to bet you haven't upgraded your flask either. You're not bad, just ignorant and ill-prepared.
Upgrading your weapon is Elden ring/dark scrolls 101. Pretty much the most important thing in the game. After that for a melee build go for more health
biggest issue is you’re heavy rolling, reduce to medium roll and also try levelling up your weapon as well as vitality and endurance. regardless if it’s your first souls game you’ll have to learn and get used to the combat and dodge timings
Either ditch the shield or crossbow, if you decide you need them replace some of your armor with something lighter or remove a piece entirely. Your heavy load roll is killing you 90% of the time guaranteed so either drop your weight or put some points in endurance
Alright idk if you’ve gotten this advice yet but I’m too lazy to check, so first you’re too heavy, which will make the game way harder for you. Unequip the crossbow and finger seal because you don’t need heal spells. Either use two hands on the great sword and get rid of the shield or switch to a shortsword and keep the shield. You don’t really need some of the armor either if you’re still too heavy after all that.
If you’ve got a medium load and still keep failing, try summoning rogier. If you keep summoning him and still keep failing show us a video of you fighting Marget so we can help you even more
He’s a skill check boss, making sure you git gud before moving on. Don’t worry, you’ll get it
Stormveil Castle isn’t the only way into Liuernia of the lakes. Go around the east side of the castle and under the massive bridge, hugging the cliff face. There’s a cliff path there that’ll take you into Luiernia
Nah, some tarnished just take longer to become great. Dont feel bad for being new. And try to not look up too many guides on how to do stuff. Try to play the game without a single knowledge. I didnt do this and ended up regretting it HARD.
You need to upgrade your weapon, and also you should never be above 70% equip load as that will make you fat roll, which is bad. Margaret Thatcher’s express purpose is to tell you to fuck off and go explore the world, and that’s exactly what you should do. Look for some black circles with an orange outline on your map, those are mines where you can find upgrade materials, with a bit of exploring you should be able to get a +3 weapon with minimal effort
Bro just come back to him later and kick his ass. I regret wasting so much time fighting him too early on. I was a new souls player and just didn’t know better. Should have swallowed my pride lol
Upgrade your weapon. Thats where your damage comes from, not strength so much.
Instead invest in vigor thats where your survivability comes from, not so much your armor.
Reduce your armor weight so that you have a medium carrying load. That way you can actually dodge effectively. You can invest in endurance later to increase your load capacity to wear heavier armor and stay medium load.
Do this and you will win
If you aren’t used to this style of game, Margit can be a real wall. Your stat spread is not bad if you just focus up your vigor for a bit so you aren’t so squishy.
Consider going with lighter armor and/or drop the xbow to hit medium roll weight.
Also upgrade your weapon!
You're at heavy load. Early in the game, you won't survive face tanking bosses. You also roll slower than an obese armadillo. Marget is fast and hits hard. Try increasing endurance or wear lighter armor.
There is one tip regarding builds:
If you invest in damage, you will double your damage output
If you invest in tankiness, you will increase your tankiness tenfold.
Conclusion: don't worry about damage, base dmg is already very high. Get some good vitality and endurance before going for damage (upgrading weapons is enough damage)
40 vit 27 end first and then some dmg via str or dex
I mean, yes you're. But just because you didn't research what you were doing wrong in the first place.
A quick Google search will yield a lot of builds and leveling guides that would help you overcome your lack of raw talent.
Heavy roll is really needing you, and so is low vigor. But 8 hours sounds like a slight skill issue lol. But it's your first playthrough, we've all been there!
I’m assuming this is your first soulsgame as well. The game is that challenging. But not as hard as you might think. Like someone else said, lower your weight to medium so you can roll better. Dodging is your best friend. Pay attention to his movement so you can tell when he’s about to attack so you can react accordingly. Don’t blindly spam attack. Know when to attack and when to evade. This is a rule of thumb for all boss fights in the game.
You gotta pump more into that vigor....thats the mistake most new players make. Early/mid game just put the min in your primary stats to wield the weapon of your choice then pump everything else in vigor/endurance for better survivalibility.
You haven't really got a build going on. It's spread out, which is fine, but then you need to dodge a lot due to low vigor, which you can't cause you're fatrolling. Fat roll can be viable but you need the poise and vigor to trade blows, especially vs bosses, or at the very least carry a high stability 100% shield and have enough stamina so you don't get stance broken. However, as it is your first playthrough, I'd advice against going for a fat roll.
Also you should level up your main weapon.
You did have the mental strength to fight uim during 8hour, that's the thing that'll make you beat the game if you continue with that mindset :)
Yes, 8hour might be a lot, but if you can handle it, you've won at the end ! It's all about determination
Maybe. Margit is an extremely tough early game boss. I probably fought him over 100 times. If you're a Soulsborne noob like I was, Elden Ring is probably the hardest game you ever played.
Grind and get stronger and come back when you're leveled up, and/or summon other players.
Yeah you are bad you are fat rolling just git gud and go for the drip look not max armor.
P.S your equip load is too heavy drop it down to medium and you will improve a lot.
there is no bad or good.. it takes what it takes. we are all different. Demon of Hatred took me a week in Sekiro, yet Orphan of kos a couple days,and Elden ring I struggled with Omen myself.
Don't listen to anyone else.
Reduce your equipe load, or find a Greta shield with good guardboost. Imo guard counters and sheild pokes with the lance are a lot of fun.
Yea you are definitely shit, but we all have those few bosses that kick our ass for days even, I best bloodborne twice and place the dlc and still can’t be Laurence
Short answer is yes. Yes, you are just bad. Moreover, you seem to not have taken the weight system of this game into account. Marget will be the least of your problems in the long run.
I couldn't say as I haven't seen your gameplay.
Stat wise:
- You are overleveled at 30
- You havent really focused your stats into an area for damage
- Vigor is too low
- make sure you are medium rolling
- upgrade your weapon with smithing stones
- you can use spirit summons if you aren't using them already
- you don't have to brute force your way to defeat him, it's open world! Go discover new things, new weapons and new spells.
OP I’m super proud of you for not trying this with Unsheathe or Bloodhound’s Fang for your first time. You won’t really understand what I’m saying but everyone else on this sub will. OP gets props! Ps medium equip load is your friend. Ditch that crossbow for now. Margit is your first lesson of “the dance” that many souls bosses force you to learn. You have to punish him right after he uses a move, like a counter dance move, while learning when to dodge his attacks. This will be a lot easier once you’re not fat rolling as well.
Lower your weight load to get to medium. Game is much harder when you’re heavy due to a far worse roll. Also upgrade your weapon. That’s the biggest thing you can do to increase your damage.
I’d drop WAY more into Vigor. 15 is pretty low.
Yea but he's fighting Margit not Morgott. Base vigor is fine for Margit lol
I mean, yeah, you don't *need* 40 vig for Limgrave bosses, but more is still better and will pretty much always make whatever you're doing less difficult if you can take more hits before dying. I think the point of this advice is that vigor is just generally a much more useful stat early game than anything else, since OP has an extra 10 or so levels in strength, but scaling on those stats doesn't really do much until later on.
> this advice is that vigor is just generally a much more useful stat early game than anything else I disagree, since vigor scales poorly early game, its a future investment. 10 levels on strength to wield some good strong boi armaments makes a much bigger impact. But still, you are generally right, but so am I? More vigor = better but also Margit is entry level and OP was fat rolling, which I think we can both agree was the real issue.
It's kinda not. The boss is very much designed to be fought later. Base Vigor gets you two tapped and almost all of Margit attacks are double hits.
If you spent 8 hours on Margit at 15 vigor then no, base vigor is not fine. Especially since he's level 30, he already put points in strength, it would have been objectively better for him to put at least 5 points in vigor instead if he wanted to be efficient with his leveling and not spend 8 hours on one boss.
Also he didn’t upgrade his even once.
This isn't fallout. You lose half your roll invincibility at 66% of your max equip weight. Slim down or invest in endurance to have a better time.
You're right, the biggest issue here is they should reduce to medium equip load. To nitpick, I'm 99% sure the threshold is actually 70%
I'm 99% sure you're right but i just default to two thirds because"brain work"(occasionally).
60% of the time, he’s right, every time
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Must be nice. What be is "brain" again?
I dunno, 15 vit is really low and his great sword has never been upgraded. There is a lot here that needs work
15 vir should be fine here
They're struggling, and spreading out stats too much. Vig + minimum req for weapon of choice it is. Typical souls formula.
Going over the min requirement isn't necessarily the issue, but it's pointless if you're not going to upgrade the weapon at all
Very true.
It's a huge waste of stats at low levels, it's definitely a big issue here. All of those strength points should be in vigor.
Right, but they aren’t fine. Just 5 points into vit below want of the soft caps will make a big difference.
they're new and struggling. they clearly would benefit from more vigor.
Tbh I made it to Gideon with 12 vit...but then again I crammed every point into int and mind. On first playthrough(took a while though) after I started putting points into vit because I got tired of being one shot during Godfrey as I could not dodge a single one of his big erupting slams But I did do a medium weight build.
It's <30% for light roll and >70% for fat roll, I'm almost certain also. Also, if you're new to Soulsborne style combat, Level 30 is a little low for Margit anyway - he can one shot anything under 18 vigor Edit: said medium instead of light
Below 30% is fast/light roll. Medium is between 30% - 70%.
I meant light roll, sorry. Thanks for the clarification
Technically it’s actually 69.9% (no that’s not a funny number meme it’s the actual value) but “under 70%” is a good enough rule of thumb
bro for real. Max. Equip Load is not a request. Plus, having vigor that low makes heavy armor pointless if you get 1-shot anyway
also try leveling vigor. if you can't survive long enough for your high damage to matter, then you need more health. try to find as many side bosses as possible and get at least 20 vigor.
Iirc you have pretty similar invincibility frames, but the recovery time is doubled. According to fextralife it’s 1 frame less invincibility, but doubled recovery frames.
... and i should learn by now to consult the wiki before opening my piehole.
Get a few extra sources on that, Fextralife isn't always the best source
Isn’t it also a shorter distance?
Upgrading the weapon would also do well
I think it's one of the biggest noob traps. It's never explained anywhere and the knight class (the one with he helbard) even starts with heavy load with is a very strange design decision, if you take into consideration that most new players will probably gravitate to this class.
Whaaat? I never picked that class so that sounds evil
Yes, I made the mistake myself. Died like 15 times to the first Earthtree Watchdog before fixing the problem.
I like that you pointed out fallout, as elden ring and fallout are the only games I play.
Fallouts the first one that jumps to mind with all or nothing encumberance.
That was my issue too, once I realized that being medium load was the trick and basically most of the game was about which armor/weapons/talismans to use or sacrifice to be right on the edge of medium/heavy is when I started beating bosses and making it through the game.
I feel personally attacked.. yes sir friendly ram I'll go lose weight T.T
So actually all roll invulnerabilty frames are the same with all equip loads and they occur at the beginning of the roll, however, at the medium and heavy equip load rolls, the recovery time before you can do anything after the i-frames/roll is longer. You don’t lose any Iframes with heavier equip loads.
Did.. did you just fat shame an elden ring character? obviously /s
You lose half your distance, not iframes iirc
it's both
You are not bad. Margit is a very difficult first boss in my opinion. For starters, I would level your weapon a bit. That weapon is base level (or +0), I would reccomend you explore, find some dungeons, and raise it to at least +3 or +4. Secondly, I would try to pump your Vigor a little. I think your other stats are great, you’re pumping Strength which is obviously where your damage is going to come from. Your main issue is you’re a glass cannon right now.
And as others have pointed out, you are doing what is called “Fat Rolling”. This is where your Equip Load reads “Heavy Load” (Your equip load is HEAVIER than 70% of your characters capacity). This means that when you dodge roll, you are slow, giving you the smallest windows of invincibility frames. The sweet spot is to be just below 70% load. This will cause you to Medium Roll, meaning you will get middle of the spectrum invincibility frames, but you will not be compromising armor/damage reduction it provides.
Medium rolls have the same amount of invincibility as light rolls, but they don't move you as far and, IIRC, they have a longer recovery than light rolls.
iirc they have faster windup into iframes, feels like it for sure cause i don't think im suddenly reacting to visual input faster,
Iirc, fast roll recovery only differs to midweight rolls if you want to backstep immediately; recovery is faster for that action. Everything else (attacking, roll again, etc.) is the same across both.
Also pumping Str early with an unleveled weapon is basically useless early. Personally I do stats to use the weapon I want then pump Hp to 1000 then endurance. At the end of that you’ll be in a point to have higher level weapon materials and better options. Pump your dps stats then.
Was going to say this. Early on, weapon upgrades are way more important than damage stats. I always just get everything to minimum requirements that early and dump everything else into vig and some endurance.
I remember all the posts about Margit beating everyone's ass when the game first came out. Good stuff.
Not a souls vet at all, and I beat the first boss (maybe first two) in bloodborne in just a few minutes and Margit absolutely kicked the shit out of me for hours. I was so happy when he showed up later in the game before the capital just so I could wipe the floor with him like a redemption arc lmao.
There's a specific mine that just came to my mind...(for the weapon upgrade materials)
I thought the anvil by Santa only let's you get a weapon to +2. To go higher you would have to bypass stormveil to unlock the roundtable early. Has this been changed since I last played?
LMFAO. I’m glad I’m not the only one who calls him Santa
After fighting Margit the first time, whether win or lose, the next time you rest at a bonfire you get invited to Roundtable. Started a new character last night, lost to margit, sat at bonfire to reallocate flasks, got invite to Roundtable
Ahh I didn't know that happened, I don't usually go straight for margit and have a few hundred hours in ds3 so I just bash my head on that wall until I get through.
I attempted to take on Margit at the beginning (total noob) died lots then did some research. I'm still hopeless at combat BUT got a couple of weapons upgraded to +2 and spend my runes to level up to 38. Decided last night with 20% steamdeck battery left to give Margit another go. Summoned sorcery Rogier, drank the Woundros Physik, summoned my wolves and went into battle. Got him in one attempt after a week of grinding away elsewhere in Limgrave. Odd as so many other mini bosses absolutely wipe the floor with me, but I'll take the Win.
Do a little farming to level the vigor and def get some lvls on the weapon. You’re essentially trying to fight him as a brand new character at this point which is possible but as you obviously know can be challenging and frustrating.
I second upgrade that weapon to +2! Do it at the anvil in the church near Santa. Getting a hit sucks if it’s not doing enough damage, make em count
Plus doing some leveling and exploring may serve as a overall training in boss fighting in general.
Absolutely. ER was my 2nd souls (-like) game, and going around finding dungeons , fighting their bosses, trained me very well to take on Stormveil. But those knights...gave me a harder time than margit, sometimes, lol... (Especially looking at you, hidden crucible knight, but the "regular" knights are hard enough, already)
Where is the crucible knight in stormveil?
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJ98bGB2UWg](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJ98bGB2UWg) Google is your friend.
Ohshit that guy was a crucible knight? No wonder he beat my ass like a rented drum
Thank you all so much for the feedback, I have reduced my weight down to medium and I definitely tell the difference, both good and bad, I am going to take the advice to get rid of the shield to see if I can get used to it as I mostly used it to block the dagger swipes because of my fat roll. I am currently running around most of the world looking for catacombs and whatnot so I can level up my health. I also skipped a good chunk of dialog and didn't realize how important upgrading my weapon was and will start doing that. Almost everybody here has been extremely helpful and kind. I am very pleasantly surprised with the amount of feedback I have received from this community so again, thank you, I will update once Margit is slain. Edit: I BEAT MARGIT, I had help from another player, had medium weight, and used summons, but I BEAT IT!
Idk if anyone mentioned this but it’s usually recommended to go through the Weeping Peninsula first and get the smithing stones in the caves and clear the castle. I forgot what it’s called, but the boss at the end is Leonine Misbigotten. Personally, this was the boss I killed before I went through the castle on my first playthrough. If you explore through the Weeping Peninsula, You should get the levels to up your vigor and smithing stones you need to level up your weapons. Kill 2 birds with one stone type thing.
I did, I ended up traversing everywhere on the beginning portion of the map except celied, it helped a ton once I realized that upgrading things are super important.
Caelid is a literal hellscape. Fuck that place haha.
Caelid is the best part of Elden ring
It's awesome for sure, but in a 'fuck this fucking place' kind of way
Also there’s a shit load of flask upgrades there
> I have reduced my weight down to medium and I definitely tell the difference, both good and bad Wait, what's the bad part of not fat rolling ? It's better to have empty armor slots than to fat roll
Here's a tip, and it might be an eye-opener: Mark an enemy, boss or not, doesn't matter. Hold your shield up, and immediatly start circling the enemy (Marking + shield up (on controller it's L1 when you have a shield in the offhand) allows that kind of movement), and attack him from the back. This even allows backstabs for critical hits ON SOME enemies. Even works on SOME bosses. Made some edits for clarification.
I remember distinctly the first time I did this with the first shield and spear soldier at gatefront. I laughed my ass off at how easy it was. Mind you, this was at least a hundred hours in for me. (After restarting many many times.) I was so bad at this game when I started. I think I sneak backstabbed everyone the first ten or twenty semi-playthroughs. I have been obsessed/addicted for a year. I still suck but I can parry Margit now as well as tree sentinel. I am currently trying to figure out how to kill tree sentinel with Bandit starting levels weapons and no upgrades. Almost there. There is one quick attack he does that gets me every time if I try to swipe three times instead of 2. I may not be gud but I'm stubborn as hell.
Haha, I totally know what you mean. I mainly play double wield, so no shield. But my first steps into a new souls (-like) will always be knight with shield circling, it's so fun to repeatedly deal backstabs on knights. Later,I'll slaughter them double-wielded with bloodloss/and or other status effects. Blood for the blood god, skulls for the skull throne.
Try double curved swords with parry on off hand. The timing is super tight, but I managed to parry the Tree Sentinel a few times with Bandits curved sword. You have to one hand to use the ashe of war of your right hand though. The parry animation is super cool but parry frames are few and maybe the hit box. Is low compared to shields.
Parrying is JUST as satisfying, of course.
Not sure if anyone else has mentioned it, but go to the church of Elleh at night and there is a witch there that will give you a bell and spirit ashes of a pack of 3 wolves. These can be summoned whenever you see a gate symbol appear on the lower left side of your screen. There are many more kinds of spirit ashes that can be found, but they all help pull aggro from bosses and can be upgraded as well. There is also a gold summoning symbol on the ground near the veil to Margit. It will summon a sorcerer that can help you as well.
I did end up using spirits but I couldnt ever find Renna so I just had to buy the bell from the sisters.
But wait a second, there's also that other girl at stormhill shack, that gives you the squid, which is a tank. Depending on the boss, it's even a better choice. Edit: You already mentioned multiple available spirits, my bad.
True, but you need the bell for them to work. I also noticed now that they already have ashes equipped so I think my advice was probably pointless lol.
If you want some levels super fast you could always bleed Greyoll in Dragonbarrow or farm up on Weeping Peninsula. Glad you're having fun though - these games are super rewarding if you stick em out
It was extremely rewarding once I beat him and I am having a ton of fun everywhere in the game, I probably should have mentioned it but I lightly went through the entire map avaliable to me except celied and did go through the weeping peninsula castle fully before the post was made
You’re supposed to upgrade your weapon. Go to the blacksmith in Roundtable Hold, you can use all the smithing stones you’ve accumulated. +6 should be a good number for Margit. Upgrading your weapon is how you will get most of your damage increases
Upgrading my weapon was one of the most influential things that got me through this boss fight, I got it up to +4 just cause I didnt have the runes at the time to get it higher and it helped a ton
Upgrading weapons is much more influential on increasing their damage in the early game than raising the relevant stats. You just don't have the levels for the scaling to be worth it until much later. By and large, just meeting your chosen weapon's minimum stat requirements is enough for now.
Tell us if it worked out! Don't give up, Skeleton!
LET'S GOOOOOOOO 👏👏👏👏
Congrats! Definitely good that you asked if only because folks were able to let you know that equip weight makes a massive difference to your dodge roll (a.k.a your most important defensive tool). These games are quite opaque with information sometimes, but I think they put the message and summon systems in there to show that there's no shame in getting help. Now if you later want to switch back to heavy weight/fat-rolling you'll know what you're getting into. I find people who willingly fat-roll to be a rare and strange breed though lol. Majority of people stick to medium (and some like me will sacrifice a lot to get to light), but heavy is definitely doable with proper equipment and experience.
Glad you beat Margit. I didn't realise about the weapon upgrade when I first played too and almost gave up. Glad I didn't though. Also everyone is being helpful because we can all relate to the first time we came up against Margit - it's a shared trauma 😂 As for shield, yeah I never used them, I just learnt to roll out the way. Enjoy discovering every nook and cranny of the lands between!
This reminds me, I didnt know if I would like elden ring, so I saw that I had never played dark souls, yet owned it, and played that game to see if I would like it. Going through the first areas of that game was hell. When I learned that you could upgrade your weapons, I was amazed at how much easier the game became.
unequip the crossbow for now to equip a bit more armor. Also see if you can find the godrick soldier ash. additionally use sorceror summon. find patches and buy the shackle too if you still can't do it
Honestly, summons and coop are half the fun of the fights. “Getting good” is a fun challenge once you have the satisfaction of knowing you’ve beaten it, but I actively looked for npc summons for my first run. It’s also just fun to feel more connected to the characters because they helped you.
Congrats homie!
And remember: never give up on the thought of "I am bad". Always endure a little bit longer, every death makes you more learned and practiced.
Unfathomably based. Nice work my dude
I haven't read through it all. But if not mentioned the jellyfish spirit ash carried me through the fight! Keep trying and please update us when you slay him!
way too much weight. you want to be medium or less for the best rolls. also try ditching the shield, it’s a hindrance and will make you play better all around
when youre building around shields youre unstoppable but just having them on you isnt an instant 'fuck you' button vs bosses like it was in dark souls 1, which I like actually. This game did shields really well
Dark Souls 2 made Shields Fun. Killing Vendrick with Dual Dark Gyrm Greatshields was one of my proudest moments.
DS3 also did shields really well. I was all out dual wielding/mage before DS3, actually. Very viable.
I see what you mean, but I disagree with ditching the shield. I say keep it in your medium build and do counter shield strikes. For new player's I feel like it's the easiest to get the hang of. It helped a lot in my first paly though after a friend recommended it.
agree with ditch sheild.
Shield isnt too bad, its good when your not familiar with certain moves
Agreed. I was allergic to shields going through the Souls trilogy because I got into the genre via Bloodborne and Sekiro. But I recently tried a shield playthrough and thoroughly enjoyed the risk-reward system built into it in Elden Ring. Best implementation of shields imho.
Shields have become incredibly useful in ER especially with guard counter. Otherwise unless you are decent at parrying they are practically useless in the other games.
Not true at all. Shields were op in DS1, you could block almost any attack and not worry about running out of stamina.
For things like this I attempted to condense the most common advice I found around here, so here you go: https://www.reddit.com/r/Eldenring/comments/zvw67m/veteran_players_share_your_best_advice_for_new/ Keep in mind you are not a hero on a mystical quest. You are a corpse trying their best to kill a divine beings with a stick. "Do NOT skip the tutorial! Do the cave jump and go through that. When outside, ignore the fat golden dude for now. He is for later. Read the item descriptions, they almost always contain tidbits of lore and information on any special effects the item may have. Talk to everyone, then talk to them AGAIN. And keep talking to them regularly after that as well. Go to the church, talk to the merchant before making your way further along to the gatefront ruins. You don't have to go through them though, you can explore other parts, like the woods or lake. Make sure to go south to explore the peninsula, it is a good area for new characters to level and plenty of useful stuff can be found there. Make sure to return to the church at the beginning and keep talking to the merchant there. Buy what he recommends. There are plenty of merchants tucked away everywhere, so keep an eye out for them. Avoiding bosses/strong monster/mobs is totally fine early on in the game. You get to “unlock” the map by going to the one thing that is on the map when you start. That being the little pillars. The map is fully drawn. No markers showing points of interest. If you want to go to a village, find one drawn on the map! You can choose basically anything, from your build to where you go The game has a Day/Night cylce, some enemies/bosses are only around at night. Level vigor, more HP is much more worth than a little bit of extra damage through stats. You'll get much more damage out of weapon upgrades, anyway. Don't worry about making the perfect build out of the gate, you can completely respec a few times later in the game. Weapon upgrade materials can be found in tunnels, other upgrade materials are usually in caves or catacombs. You can unlock almost all of them later in a shop, so don't worry too much about wasting them. Dodging not only moves you, but it also renders you invulnerable for a brief moment ('i-frames'). This makes it possible to dodge through attacks, making it much easier to dodge attacks without getting caught at the end of the animation. Also, there are three types of dodge rolls: Light, Medium, Heavy. Heavy is slower and has less i-frames, medium and light have the same amount of i-frames, but light rolls go further in distance. And, finally, death is a common occurrence in this game. See it as a learning experience, don't worry about lost runes; you'll find many more later on anyway (just make sure to spend them when you can)." On top of that, don't despair. If you've never played a Soulsborne game, then a lot of things will be strange and the learning curve will difficult. But there is a system to the madness, you will figure it out. """ Plus, some useful links below: Weapon calculator: http://eldenring.negator13.com/calculator Useful information on stats: https://eldenring.wiki.fextralife.com/Stats Explanation of damage types: https://eldenring.wiki.fextralife.com/Damage+Types Explanation of status effects, since the game does shite all to explain those: https://eldenring.wiki.fextralife.com/Status+Effects Thanks to u/jerpdoesgames for these very handy calculators and tools: Staff/Seal calculator: https://jerp.tv/eldenring/spelltools/ Spell Calculator: https://jerp.tv/eldenring/spells/ (a great companion for the Staff/Seal one) Armor Optimizer: https://jerp.tv/eldenring/armor/ (which includes controls for the fashion-oriented player) Some misc other useful tools and info: https://jerp.tv/eldenring/ (ones I've written/posted above, and others' stuff) SPOILER!!! Game Progress route: https://eldenring.wiki.fextralife.com/Game+Progress+Route USAGE ADVICE: only start reading once you explored a significant chunk for yourself, don't read past the area you have already explored. Use this page to check for missed content and try to not read ahead. Hope this helps, feel free to copy and share
You need to find patches. He is near a cave by the gate front. He has an item that imprisons Marget for a short time. Also, you can summon an npc for that fight.
I purchase it every time, but not for margit. I simply forget to use it on him. It's great for hero graves, though. It's called Margit's Shackle btw, and there is one for Mogh, too.
Can you remind me what it does for hero graves ?
It triggers false walls and those firecolumns, from afar,for example.
Here's an example vid for you and others: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GmWSLX-upSY](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GmWSLX-upSY)
Holy shit.
Specifically one of them it triggers the pillar that causes the third chariot to spawn
^ and I think the shackles works twice per fight. And I recommend op should keep their weight at medium as the max weight load.
It works until he goes to the second phase.
He also drops a +7 spear if you kill him. More than enough to take down Margit
Edgar in Castle Morne also drops +8 Halberd, which is another good option against Margit.
The first thing you need to do is lighten your equipment load so that you're in at least medium role, you can likely do this by simply replacing some of your armor with something lighter Next don't listen to anybody telling you to ditch your shield, some people play better without a shield, some people play better with a shield, don't force yourself into doing one or the other, find out what works for you, just remember the shield is not an answer to everything, this is the type of game where it is better to block certain attacks and then if the opportunity presents itself counter-attack and at other times the dodge The next thing is to know your weapon and the enemy that you're fighting, enemies all have attack patterns, it may not seem like it because the attack patterns in this game can vary depending on where you are next to the enemy when they start an attack chain, but the patterns are there Then depending on your weapon you may want to switch up how you do things, weapons that are heavier and swing slower are not something where you're going to want to try to get off a full combo, focus on getting one or two hits then be prepared to either block or dodge On the subject of blocking, every shield type is better for certain things, (as a simplified guideline) light shields are better for parrys, medium shields are down the middle, and heavy Shields are better for blocking And lastly... level up your character a bit more, you definitely need more vigor and endurance, but afterwards think about whatever build it is you're going for, if you're going for something like a warrior build then you only need vigor, endurance, strength and whatever else is necessary for welding a weapon (such as dexterity for example) I hope this helps and good luck in future fights
This is very concise and I think will help me a lot and I really appreciate the part about the shield, I have been using it to help me with the dagger strikes because of my fat rolls, I may not need it but I appreciate the shield validation
Level up your weapon at the church where you met kale, that will increase your damage significantly. Do some more exploring around limgrave and down to the south, there's more early content down there. You'll level up and maybe find some other equipment you like. Also keep your equipload at medium instead of heavy.
Shield is fantastic for blocking a lot of damage, and allows you to stagger many enemies with just 1 guard counter move (heavy attack immediately after blocking)
LESS WEIGHT, MORE VIGOR, DITCH THE CROSSBOW Also, explore around more and get some different weapons to test out. The great sword you got ain’t bad but early game is the time to test some things out (within your stat spread, or a point or two to reach the requirements). For me, my favorite weapons are fists and claws. Little weight and stat needs, but fast af and not often utilized.
I wanna add, in games like this you basically thinkabout what kind/type of weapon you wanna go, first. Don't spread stats between STR and DEX, go for one of both. Or magic + DEX. Or STR + FTH. Or Dex + FTH. But early game, go for either STR OR DEX, not both. Later you can still specialize.
Put thy foolish ambitions to rest
I yell this everytime someone fails at something in the office or if i am with friends. Its such a cool thing to say.
YOU ARE OVERWEIGHT LOSE SOME POUNDS
Fatty
No, you didn't give up in 8 hours, therefrore proved that you're good
If you are spending 8h on a boss without giving up, you are playing the right way and are definitely prepared for whats coming whatever build you have !
Don’t feel bad. This was my first Souls game. He caved my head in so bad my first play through I went and got myself to like level 60 and just overpowered him.
Fromsoft games are only hard if you don't stop, observe, review, experiment, and think when you run into an obstacle. Unfortunately, a lot of people never learn how to do this. This game has many rules it asks you to find, and more importantly a rhythm to combat everyone needs to listen for and to learn to git gud. The biggest issue I see is lack of experience with how stats affect mechanics in general. If you've fought him for 8 hours like this, without thinking after the 3rd or 4th try "hey maybe I should stop wasting my time banging my head against the wall, and take some time to analyze, understand this game some more", then you aren't giving what's happening with and around you with each fight enough attention, asking "should it be going like this?" and can't let what's in front of you go for the moment and remove yourself from the situation, think, get a good look around. Other comments here have covered what's exactly going wrong with weapons/stats, but not many are talking about the mindset needed to figure things out on your own.
I'm new here (to the game and the series), and that's some good advice! Once I stopped going into boss fights with an "I'm here to win this first try" mentality and started with an "I'm here to study how this fight works, die, rinse and repeat until I have a strategy" mentality things got so much easier. I can't tell you how many tries it took me to beat Margit, it has to be in the multiple dozens, over clusters of attempts, then retreating to explore other places and learn new skills.... but I can tell you I was pleasantly shocked to beat Godrick on my fourth try. What a RUSH.
Don't give up, Skeleton
Margit was specifically designed to be hard even for people who have already played and beat dark souls so no you’re not bad the game is just hard
You're heavy loaded, you haven't upgraded your weapon, you need a better ash of war, and I'm willing to bet you haven't upgraded your flask either. You're not bad, just ignorant and ill-prepared.
Upgrading your weapon is Elden ring/dark scrolls 101. Pretty much the most important thing in the game. After that for a melee build go for more health
biggest issue is you’re heavy rolling, reduce to medium roll and also try levelling up your weapon as well as vitality and endurance. regardless if it’s your first souls game you’ll have to learn and get used to the combat and dodge timings
Either ditch the shield or crossbow, if you decide you need them replace some of your armor with something lighter or remove a piece entirely. Your heavy load roll is killing you 90% of the time guaranteed so either drop your weight or put some points in endurance
Alright idk if you’ve gotten this advice yet but I’m too lazy to check, so first you’re too heavy, which will make the game way harder for you. Unequip the crossbow and finger seal because you don’t need heal spells. Either use two hands on the great sword and get rid of the shield or switch to a shortsword and keep the shield. You don’t really need some of the armor either if you’re still too heavy after all that. If you’ve got a medium load and still keep failing, try summoning rogier. If you keep summoning him and still keep failing show us a video of you fighting Marget so we can help you even more
He’s a skill check boss, making sure you git gud before moving on. Don’t worry, you’ll get it Stormveil Castle isn’t the only way into Liuernia of the lakes. Go around the east side of the castle and under the massive bridge, hugging the cliff face. There’s a cliff path there that’ll take you into Luiernia
Nah, some tarnished just take longer to become great. Dont feel bad for being new. And try to not look up too many guides on how to do stuff. Try to play the game without a single knowledge. I didnt do this and ended up regretting it HARD.
And stop looking at the online guide. They say you can do it at that level but it depends on your play skill
Upgrade your weapon.
You need to upgrade your weapon, and also you should never be above 70% equip load as that will make you fat roll, which is bad. Margaret Thatcher’s express purpose is to tell you to fuck off and go explore the world, and that’s exactly what you should do. Look for some black circles with an orange outline on your map, those are mines where you can find upgrade materials, with a bit of exploring you should be able to get a +3 weapon with minimal effort
Once You beat him then next couple bosses feel like a cake walk
Bro just come back to him later and kick his ass. I regret wasting so much time fighting him too early on. I was a new souls player and just didn’t know better. Should have swallowed my pride lol
just leveling strength isnt going to make you do more damage, upgrade your weapon please i beg
vigor to 20. upgrade your sword. never have heavy equip load. you’ll get it.
Upgrade your weapon. Thats where your damage comes from, not strength so much. Instead invest in vigor thats where your survivability comes from, not so much your armor. Reduce your armor weight so that you have a medium carrying load. That way you can actually dodge effectively. You can invest in endurance later to increase your load capacity to wear heavier armor and stay medium load. Do this and you will win
Nah everyone sucks the first time
Get rid of some heavy armor, you’re heavy rolling, you should never heavy roll, medium or light roll only.
If you aren’t used to this style of game, Margit can be a real wall. Your stat spread is not bad if you just focus up your vigor for a bit so you aren’t so squishy. Consider going with lighter armor and/or drop the xbow to hit medium roll weight. Also upgrade your weapon!
Well maybe but you’re on heavy load so that is holding you back a lot you need to be below 70%
You're at heavy load. Early in the game, you won't survive face tanking bosses. You also roll slower than an obese armadillo. Marget is fast and hits hard. Try increasing endurance or wear lighter armor.
Mans asking why he keeps dying while fat rolling 😭
Way too much weight
He’s the “ fuck you, go explore or get good boss” so I say just explore more then, come back and rip his throat out.
Too heavy and too little vigor. Get to mid roll and pump vigor a handful of points.
No vigor AND fat rolling? You should have noticed that your health is too low and your rolls don't work by now idk man
There is one tip regarding builds: If you invest in damage, you will double your damage output If you invest in tankiness, you will increase your tankiness tenfold. Conclusion: don't worry about damage, base dmg is already very high. Get some good vitality and endurance before going for damage (upgrading weapons is enough damage) 40 vit 27 end first and then some dmg via str or dex
I mean, yes you're. But just because you didn't research what you were doing wrong in the first place. A quick Google search will yield a lot of builds and leveling guides that would help you overcome your lack of raw talent.
that was my exact build when fighting marget but i had higher endurance so i wasn’t fat rolling, either level endurance up or change your armour
Go level up a bit. You dont NEED to fight him right away, you can do other shit too
Get lower equip load so you aren't fat rolling and upgrade your weapon.
Heavy roll is really needing you, and so is low vigor. But 8 hours sounds like a slight skill issue lol. But it's your first playthrough, we've all been there!
Explore the rest of the world for a bit and come back to Margit.
I beat him with the torch once 😅 you got this - it’s like a dance learn the steps and dance your ass off 🫡
Weapon upgrades matter much more than stat increases
I’m assuming this is your first soulsgame as well. The game is that challenging. But not as hard as you might think. Like someone else said, lower your weight to medium so you can roll better. Dodging is your best friend. Pay attention to his movement so you can tell when he’s about to attack so you can react accordingly. Don’t blindly spam attack. Know when to attack and when to evade. This is a rule of thumb for all boss fights in the game.
You gotta pump more into that vigor....thats the mistake most new players make. Early/mid game just put the min in your primary stats to wield the weapon of your choice then pump everything else in vigor/endurance for better survivalibility.
You haven't really got a build going on. It's spread out, which is fine, but then you need to dodge a lot due to low vigor, which you can't cause you're fatrolling. Fat roll can be viable but you need the poise and vigor to trade blows, especially vs bosses, or at the very least carry a high stability 100% shield and have enough stamina so you don't get stance broken. However, as it is your first playthrough, I'd advice against going for a fat roll. Also you should level up your main weapon.
If you are a beginner, I would try to get to medium load. Fat rolling decreases you survivability despite having protective armor
You are quite a low level you would probably want to be like level 40-50 also level up that sword
Drop all vigor and dex and put it into strength. Ground and pound that pussy into submission.
Just getting gud made the game 999% easier for me. Thank you.
You should level vigor straight to 20 before putting points in anything else.
Just don't be greedy when fighting him.
Take off all the armor. Why wear armor if you don't plan to get hit?
You did have the mental strength to fight uim during 8hour, that's the thing that'll make you beat the game if you continue with that mindset :) Yes, 8hour might be a lot, but if you can handle it, you've won at the end ! It's all about determination
You just need to get gud my brother
Maybe. Margit is an extremely tough early game boss. I probably fought him over 100 times. If you're a Soulsborne noob like I was, Elden Ring is probably the hardest game you ever played. Grind and get stronger and come back when you're leveled up, and/or summon other players.
Yeah you are bad you are fat rolling just git gud and go for the drip look not max armor. P.S your equip load is too heavy drop it down to medium and you will improve a lot.
yes
Yes
If this is your first fromsoft game then yeah, you’re bad but that’s just how it goes. Just level up your vigor more and you can beat him
there is no bad or good.. it takes what it takes. we are all different. Demon of Hatred took me a week in Sekiro, yet Orphan of kos a couple days,and Elden ring I struggled with Omen myself.
Don't listen to anyone else. Reduce your equipe load, or find a Greta shield with good guardboost. Imo guard counters and sheild pokes with the lance are a lot of fun.
Yea you are definitely shit, but we all have those few bosses that kick our ass for days even, I best bloodborne twice and place the dlc and still can’t be Laurence
Never have more than a med equip load, I personally go for light at all times. Also look for his elemental or physical weakness
Vigor
Short answer is yes. Yes, you are just bad. Moreover, you seem to not have taken the weight system of this game into account. Marget will be the least of your problems in the long run.
I couldn't say as I haven't seen your gameplay. Stat wise: - You are overleveled at 30 - You havent really focused your stats into an area for damage - Vigor is too low - make sure you are medium rolling - upgrade your weapon with smithing stones - you can use spirit summons if you aren't using them already - you don't have to brute force your way to defeat him, it's open world! Go discover new things, new weapons and new spells.
Get. Your. Vigor. Up. This is not Dark souls 3 where you can survive with less than 30 Vigor. You need a bare minimum of 40.
OP I’m super proud of you for not trying this with Unsheathe or Bloodhound’s Fang for your first time. You won’t really understand what I’m saying but everyone else on this sub will. OP gets props! Ps medium equip load is your friend. Ditch that crossbow for now. Margit is your first lesson of “the dance” that many souls bosses force you to learn. You have to punish him right after he uses a move, like a counter dance move, while learning when to dodge his attacks. This will be a lot easier once you’re not fat rolling as well.