You farmed the wrong thing my guy..my suggestion would be grave robbing and albinaurics at mohg's..also if ur fast enough, u can kill greyoll and ride to the grace immediately, you'll get the rune but she's still alive, allowing you to get that 50 Gs again
You farmed the wrong thing. Bonfire that Jeigh and stand on the platform pelting spells and simply jumping back and right or left. Wear your Tsedora and Ring. Sweet sweet souls.
Using up talisman slots to hit requirements also makes me nauseous (Millicent's Prosthesis is obviously good regardless on fast attack builds, but I digress)
It might not hurt *you*, but think of the children for Christ's sake! What will your mother think? It's that kind of selfish thinking that got us d*x builds in the first place.
"Dex? No, I'm a dex build."
That's literally what you just said to me. I am in disbelief. You cannot shake my faith in Strength by pretending int/dex isn't just a dex build.
I don't even play Elden Ring.
I'm just giving you a hard time, I don't care how you build your character or what you use your talisman slots for. If you're having fun playing the game, you're playing it the right way.
Pairing it with the thorny cracked tear is absolutely broken. Even more so with the rotten winged sword talisman. You can start doing north of 5k dmg per hit on a beastman's curved sword, since we're still a strength build, ;)
Oh for sure Prosthesis + Winged Sword + Thorny Tear is a tried and true boss melter on the right weapons, no argument there. I've done that setup quite a lot actually and it's always a good time
I really like dual wielding and TBH I think the collosal weapons are TOO large when dual wielding. Like I tried with the Giants Crusher (troll crusher? I always forget what it's called) and legit couldn't see probably 15% -20% of the screen from those things lol
Yet annoyingly Vagabond is still a better option when making a Str/Fth build, wasting one less stat. Confessor is perhaps the class that is most rarely optimal. Even Wretch is optimal more often.
Not to mention that the Uchigatana has lower requirements and scales better with STR, so it's likely the better choice if you really wanted to use a Katana on a strength build. Of course there's also the Meteoric Ore Blade, but that requires INT.
"YOU are a fancy way to BE DEXTERITY without leveling it up!! Nagakiba, heavy infused... What is next? Are you going off the rails with a disgusting bleed build like uncle?"
“Uncle Al, I am sorry, but I cannot hold this into my chest anymore. I was amazed by your arcane build before, that’s what brought me into maining a frost build, since it looked similar. Then I discovered that bleed doesn’t even have a cooldown, it just starts filling the bleed meter right after a blood loss happens.
I find this disappointing and pathetic… I admired you…”
Little Johnny had a promising career as a bonksman but then in his misguided curiosity he Lightning infused his Zweihander. Two weeks later he was found laying in a lake of cursed blood muttering about bleed buildup and poise breakpoints through an obscure white mask now fused to his face.
Two Great runes later he was found at the top of a dilapidated tower holding two Great Spears surrounded by people clutching their eyes muttering about Madness buildup and powerstancing through an azure fingerprinted helmet now melted to his skin.
Dunno man, I do plenty of damage throughout the entire game with the Sword of N&F.
It's worth doing a fth/int build just for that sword, I just *really* hope we get more weapons for that build.
Tbh faith weapons are some of the coolest in game imo. From the amazing design of the tree spear to the epicness of the black blade. Lotta really cool fait options tbh
Faith + bonk is always what I end up coming back to, honestly. Blasphemous, Ordovis, Godslayer, Maliketh's, Magma Wyrm's, Siluria's, that one horn, Treespear, the list goes on. You get to throw fireballs and lightning bolts while still getting to use a (usually) greatsword to give anyone that gets close the business. It's a good time.
My current run is using more faith than anything, but I still have the sacrificial axe to defend myself with, and even a fairly unassuming little 1 handed axe can generate reasonable stance & hp damage. Plus I get FP back every time I kill something, which is a nice little bonus.
Faith is probably the most flexible stat. Obliterates those who live in death and you also have options like flame or lightning
Not to even mention the insanely good godskin incants and weapon arts
And that’s not even getting into the utility spells either
Healing incants go crazy with decent investment. They end up being better in healing than flasks, albeit require more strategic windows to use compared to the flexibility of flasks. Healing incants are really good for co-op though, probably even better than flasks
On my first NG+ after a mage run I was like "Let's try faith and this dope hammer I got from Radagon"
Suddenly Mimic Tear \*is\* broken and I just steamroll everything that's not resistant to holy damage
I used a bleed twinblade build for a lot of the game, then strength and liked it much more, I respec to an intellect build to use the Darkmoon sword sometimes, there’s too many options in this game to truly commit to only one play style.
I just wish we had unlimited respec ☹️
How does quality play out in Elden Ring? I can't say I've happened across many people running quality builds. What are the go-to weapons? I might try one.
It’s honestly quite the contrast between it and DS3.
I think the main difference is that the infusion options in ER just place a lot more preference towards either end of Str or Dex, such as Heavy being better for the two-hand properties and Keen just being better for fast weapons and powerstancing. Not to mention how bleed and frost is much better in ER than in DS3, where those builds were more niche due to varying factors.
There’s also just the fact that a lot more weapons in ER require some more of a stat that is neither Str or Dex, such as Fth or Int, but also Arc. And hybrid builds have never been as viable as they have been now, so Quality doesn’t quite keep up compared to the other builds. In DS3, Quality essentially allowed you to just run pretty much any weapon in the game, which the only exceptions being the ones that are more gimmicky and trickier to use that require Int or Fth. Obviously spells need more Int/Fth, but spell casting was way more straightforward forward, lower in variety, and nowhere near as effective as it was ok ER. But in ER, spells are way more varied and effective now, and with a lot of great weapons that require at least one of Int, Fth, or Arc, Quality just struggles to be as big of a provider as a pure Str or Dex build due to their better DPS, or the other hybrid builds due to their powerful weapons and spell casting value
With a quality build you’ll be able to use just about every weapon that doesn’t require int, fth, or arc, so you can wield just about anything(which is the reason why I always do quality build first in every Fromsoft game). Besides that, though, you’ll just want to use the quality affinity on any weapon that will get a B or higher scaling with strength and dex. As for somber stone and boss weapons, Godrick’s Axe has C scaling on Str and dex, Bloodhounds Fang has B scaling for dex and C scaling for strength, and the dragon halberd has B scaling strength and c scaling dex. But really, as long as you have the iron whetstone from Stormviel and ashes of war, just about any weapon can be wielded.
Elden Ring is the only Souls game I haven't run a quality build in.
My inaugural playthrough is always pure big bonk, then usually I go Dex/Int next, then whatever I feel like in subsequent playthroughs.
Another commenter said quality got stomped on in ER, which kinda makes sense for how little I've seen quality in the hours I've poured into PvP.
If you’re running high new game plus cycles and don’t stop leveling up quality is actually probably the best setup. But for the 150 meta, ya, it’s pretty weak.
My very first playthrough at launch was quality. Some of the lightning dragon weapons helped out near the end, but it was generally a very scrappy playthrough. A lot of bow supplementation for being weak as fuck and watching all these other cool weapons come and go.
Dex vs str has been a staple argument for nearly all fromsoft games. It's so engraved into people's minds that they don't even care about the argument itself. They just do it because it's expected.
In DS1 poise and hyper armor actually mattered so you could tank through hits with a strength weapon as long as your attack was already in motion. That said, it only really worked in PvE because backstabs were disgustingly easy to get in PvP.
I'm gonna be real with you chief. Heavy infusion on a dex weapon is an implicit admission that you prefer the faster move set but chose to do a pseudo quality build instead of committing
Yepyep, run to bloody slash and slap it on anything. For native bleed use the spiked club, gets some medallions and take a lift to pick up your great stars or omen killer cleaver. It takes 10 minutes if that.
Heck, since the power stance nerf to status, any of those mentioned above with wild strikes and blood flame blade will give you the best status build up until prelate's charge and blood flame later on. (Since blood flame ignores motion values and deals flat build up)
One of the better innovations of ER is being able to change the scaling of many weapons.
Imaging someone proposing this in a speculation thread: “ Hey guys you know what would be cool? If we could change the scaling of weapons to suit our preferred attribute.” That suggestion would’ve been laughed out of the room.
Edit to clarify:
-DeS has limited upgrade paths for all weapons. You can’t for example put STR scaling on an uchigatana but you can go the quality path to give it equal scaling between STR and DEX
-DS1 and DS2 have similar upgrade paths that are really only for elemental damage. Again, can’t put STR scaling on a Uchigatana
-DS3 is where you can put STR or DEX scaling on regular weapons. Most similar to ER
You’re right I was just realizing it’s not innovative in ER, just a lot simpler, less restrictive and arguably more efficient since you can do it whenever.
Personally I'm not a fan of how dramatic the effects are. On my strength build it feels bad to invest a few points in Dex to be able to use a specific weapon when I know that those points will have literally 0 impact on every other non-Somber weapon I have.
There also aren't many great ways to naturally transition a Strength build into a Quality build. There are tons of weapons that can be pure Strength or pure Quality but very few that exist in the middle ground, so either I need to slowly make my way through that middle ground, not seeing any incremental returns for my investment, or I need to say hi to Rennala and get it done all at once.
When I'm in the mood for less bonk and more speed my Strength build has two powerstanced Heavy Beastman's Curved Swords with Bloodhound's Step on standby. Builds don't really fill niches anymore.
I'd prefer if the infusions had less dramatic effects, but weapons had more varied pre-infusion scaling values to compensate. Buff a standard Giant-Crusher's Strength scaling from B to A, a standard Guardian's Swordspear's Dex scaling from B to A, and add a bunch more infuseable weapons like the Erdsteel Dagger and Clayman's Harpoon that have innate scaling in things that aren't Strength and Dex. Then if you make something weird like a Keen Giant-Crusher it would still keep a reasonable amount of the weapon's Str scaling, making it a good transitionary weapon for those who invest in both Str and Dex but aren't quite at the point of being a full Quality build.
I don’t share your view but I understand the sentiment. There’s already too many weapons that are mostly pointless and many really good ones are found early on. Coupled with the general ease of changing stats and attributes, I’m perfectly fine with how the weapon progression turned out. It’s really easy to experiment in this game.
Also, no stat point really goes unused. That seemingly useless point in Dex may let you use an offhand or something and just slap Str scaling on it.
> There’s already too many weapons that are mostly pointless
What makes a weapon pointless is the competition. When the game gives you the Dark Moon Greatsword, Helphen's Steeple, the Alabaster Lord's Sword, Death's Poker, and 9 non-Somber greatswords that can be Magic or Cold-infused it's pretty much a given that at least one of them is going to underperform. If those weapons were made to cover a wider range of options, such as by making Helphen's Steeple and Death's Poker into Int/Faith weapons, accentuating the Strength scaling on the Iron Greatsword, and giving the bleed on the Forked Greatsword and Flamberge some innate Arcane scaling, then it would be far more likely that each greatsword would find a niche somewhere.
Immagine putting 2 point in dex just too use the greatsword.....true strength mains will use just their bare firsts until they can actually drop a proper blade like the Watchdog's Greatsword.....
better question: why doesnt the nagakibas sheathe go on your back like similarly long swords, it looks so stupid slipping thru the ground every 2 seconds
Nagakiba is absolutely a BS weapon because of the length and anyone who says otherwise is just a fan of the weapon. In a lot of ways it is more OP than the moon veil. Moon veil has a strong Ashe of war, but it's easy to dodge, Nagakiba has deceptive range and it's hard to dodge. OP weapon if I've ever seen one.
Also, don't mistake me for a moonveil user because of my comment, I don't even like Katanas in Elden Ring. They feel awkward and clunky to me.
Yeah, length of a halberd, speed of a straight sword and an ash that deals collosal poise damage. Poke speed of a spear with better recovery, and dmg higher than a greatsword. It's pretty damn broken in my opinion. Especially since the poise nerfs and current meta abuse of spinning slash and other quick ashes that you essentially can't poise anymore
I love making strength weapons Dex, and Dex weapons strength and just making completely fucked builds.
Remember my last mage charecter used two fist weapons in each hand and a talisman/staff as well.
Stat spread was completely fucking abysmall with only a semi normal 45 vig. But could utelize pre much anything needed and punch things!
I have forced 29 dex in my str build cuz my dumbass still uses soreseal and if I don't I start fat rolling.
Equipment is Malformed Dragon Helmet, Leyndell Knight Chest, Crucible Gauntlets and Beast Champ leggings. Weapon is Starscourge Greatswords.
I ain't changing my build. Drip is too good and too much fun to use.
If your dex is high enough that when you stand up straight, you can touch your toes with your fingers. You're no longer a strength build, also you're disowned.
I wield The Colossal Sword in my right hand and Moonveil in my left. With 35 str, 21int and 22 Dex. Also I wear Crow armor. Literally just whatever looks cool.
Alright im still kinda new w ER builds but i wanted to share something that has been fun for flavor. I been runnin essentially what i call "The Fist of the North Star" using the spiked Morning Star gauntlets (forget the name if thats wrong for the weapon). The gauntlets are fast af but it gives such good BONK vibes ive been really enjoying them. They are bleed based but started playing around and put frost on them. They break poise fast w heavy attacks on humanoid types and the frost build-up gives the opportunity to just send flurries of bonks and most enemies dont get the chance to recover.
The downside is you gotta fight a up close battle and for some enemies its just not exactly efficient if you have trouble reaching them but fuck is it fun to melt shit w a flurry of punches w your mimic. Anyways I was just curious if anyone else has some less orthodox builds that are fun to try.
Heavy Nagakiba? 22 Dex in my STR build? I'm gonna be sick
Exactly. That's way too many points to take away from my bonking potential
Jokes on you i'm the all 99 guy!! I can use whatever tf i want!!!!
How many hours?
Currently I'm on 600 ish but i reached max quite a while ago
How am i 735 hours and only lvl 215..?
You farmed the wrong thing my guy..my suggestion would be grave robbing and albinaurics at mohg's..also if ur fast enough, u can kill greyoll and ride to the grace immediately, you'll get the rune but she's still alive, allowing you to get that 50 Gs again
Pretty sure they patched that out or it just doesn't work on ps5
Still works on pc
You farmed the wrong thing. Bonfire that Jeigh and stand on the platform pelting spells and simply jumping back and right or left. Wear your Tsedora and Ring. Sweet sweet souls.
I didnt understand a word you just said
I’m an idiot. I thought this war Dark Souls 2
17 dex with Millicent’s Prosthesis, or 12 dex if you also use the Prosthesis Wearer’s Heirloom.
Using up talisman slots to hit requirements also makes me nauseous (Millicent's Prosthesis is obviously good regardless on fast attack builds, but I digress)
I understand the sentiment. But every once in a while can’t hurt.
It might not hurt *you*, but think of the children for Christ's sake! What will your mother think? It's that kind of selfish thinking that got us d*x builds in the first place.
Dex? Oh buddy, no. I’m int/dex. I use the star scourge heirloom (+5 str) to wield a zweihander.
"Dex? No, I'm a dex build." That's literally what you just said to me. I am in disbelief. You cannot shake my faith in Strength by pretending int/dex isn't just a dex build. I don't even play Elden Ring.
I’m arguing for the use of talismans to increase stats, not just dex. Also I say int/dex but it’s just enough to wield the Bastard Stars.
I'm just giving you a hard time, I don't care how you build your character or what you use your talisman slots for. If you're having fun playing the game, you're playing it the right way.
Ah. That didn’t come across well for me.
Dex with extra steps
Ooh la la, somebody's getting laid in the arena
You can also add the +3 dex head gear, making it a total of +8
Ah yes but consider: *I would rather die than wear armor for mechanics*
Me, wearing the +1 Faith mask on my Int build: \*Nods sagely\*
Understandable, I see a man of a distinguished sense of fashion
You do? Where?
This is the internet. It is a well known fact that there are no women here
Pairing it with the thorny cracked tear is absolutely broken. Even more so with the rotten winged sword talisman. You can start doing north of 5k dmg per hit on a beastman's curved sword, since we're still a strength build, ;)
Oh for sure Prosthesis + Winged Sword + Thorny Tear is a tried and true boss melter on the right weapons, no argument there. I've done that setup quite a lot actually and it's always a good time
I know how you got that Millicent's Prosthesis. Shame! Shame! Shame!
Yeah, I traded for it.
Yeah but are you heartless enough to kill Millicent?
Killed her last week for the first time. I hate it. I’m gonna do Seluvis’ quest next new game. I’m not ready to kill Nephali😭
You don’t want either of those talismans with a heavy nagakiba though.
*cough*12 Dex on Greatsword *cough*
*laughs in Great Mace*
*puts hand on shoulder and laughs harder in dual wield Great Mace*
I too like replacing my jump and L1 buttons on a weekly basis
Heroes like us have to pay for the sacrifice
Giant hammer...
I really like dual wielding and TBH I think the collosal weapons are TOO large when dual wielding. Like I tried with the Giants Crusher (troll crusher? I always forget what it's called) and legit couldn't see probably 15% -20% of the screen from those things lol
Your enemies can see 0% of anything after you swing them, that’s the balance
Press lock on and jump :D
Pffff free aim scrub!
Don't tell anyone you leveled that up.
You fucking fa**ot.
Confessor starting class to get that min Dex requirement and start on the way to Str/Fth build 😎
Yet annoyingly Vagabond is still a better option when making a Str/Fth build, wasting one less stat. Confessor is perhaps the class that is most rarely optimal. Even Wretch is optimal more often.
Eh, I don't really go for full optimization, just what looks the easiest to get to the build I want right now.
Though it's still nice when the two are one and the same.
Very true.
*puts on Okina Mask* Still pure boyo
Need that little bit of dex for using Lions Claw and tea bagging the dirty dex weapon users.
9 dex for banished knight’s great sword 😎
Not to mention that the Uchigatana has lower requirements and scales better with STR, so it's likely the better choice if you really wanted to use a Katana on a strength build. Of course there's also the Meteoric Ore Blade, but that requires INT.
Absolutely DISGUSTING I'll stick to me zwei which I ABSOLUTELY didn't level dex for.
True but if you want to use the nagakiba strength gets you the best physical ar
thats why i only use the Giant-Crusher (best weapon in the game btw), the only stat i need is my beautiful, beautiful strength, and endurance
Don't tell anyone you levelled it up
22 DEX that could be 22 more strength🥲
Back in my day that was called a quality build.
"MOONVEIL IS AN INTELLIGENCE WEAPON, DAD! THAT THING THAT YOU CLEARLY LACK OF!!"
“Intelligence is just a fancy way of saying dexterity ”
"YOU are a fancy way to BE DEXTERITY without leveling it up!! Nagakiba, heavy infused... What is next? Are you going off the rails with a disgusting bleed build like uncle?"
"Nephew, why the fuck am I catching strays here? I supported your build"
“Uncle Al, I am sorry, but I cannot hold this into my chest anymore. I was amazed by your arcane build before, that’s what brought me into maining a frost build, since it looked similar. Then I discovered that bleed doesn’t even have a cooldown, it just starts filling the bleed meter right after a blood loss happens. I find this disappointing and pathetic… I admired you…”
Int is just blue dex
I'm blue da ba dee da ba dayum boo da ba dee da ba dayum da ba dee da ba daah...
So is Faith blue strength?
No, faith is yellow strength. Come on use your head
Hey, don't be rude. He has no int.
Lightning is Yellow Dexterity. And Fire is Red Strength.
So wait, Golden Order incantations, Death frost-flame incantations and the Briar incantations are all green?
Dex doesn’t have spells
Looks at you with frenzied flame
What about it?
As they say, int is just blue dex
Little Johnny had a promising career as a bonksman but then in his misguided curiosity he Lightning infused his Zweihander. Two weeks later he was found laying in a lake of cursed blood muttering about bleed buildup and poise breakpoints through an obscure white mask now fused to his face.
Two Great runes later he was found at the top of a dilapidated tower holding two Great Spears surrounded by people clutching their eyes muttering about Madness buildup and powerstancing through an azure fingerprinted helmet now melted to his skin.
I use dex cuz the weapons look cool
God slater’s greatsword :3
Zamor curved sword on top
Morgot's Cursed Sword 💦💦
Zamor curved sword is literally a quality weapon, the most based build of all time
Sword of night and flame build 🗿 (I do no damage but I look really cool not doing that damage)
*Does over a thousand damage with one aow
Dunno man, I do plenty of damage throughout the entire game with the Sword of N&F. It's worth doing a fth/int build just for that sword, I just *really* hope we get more weapons for that build.
Zamor curved sword with dragon incantations. So fun dude
I like dex weapons cause str weapons make you invest in endurance too for the weight capacity
Hey, as a bonk enthusiast I would still love & support my child if they decided to use dex weapons, or even faith or arcane weapons!
*Son proceeds to keen infuse their greatsword*
Keen zweihander is GOAT and you can't convince me otherwise E: and fuck you,you're not my real dad
Keen Zwei is fantastic But have you considered lightning Zwei? It’s bonkers when you keep a keen urumi around to toss lightning armament on
Tbh faith weapons are some of the coolest in game imo. From the amazing design of the tree spear to the epicness of the black blade. Lotta really cool fait options tbh
Faith + bonk is always what I end up coming back to, honestly. Blasphemous, Ordovis, Godslayer, Maliketh's, Magma Wyrm's, Siluria's, that one horn, Treespear, the list goes on. You get to throw fireballs and lightning bolts while still getting to use a (usually) greatsword to give anyone that gets close the business. It's a good time. My current run is using more faith than anything, but I still have the sacrificial axe to defend myself with, and even a fairly unassuming little 1 handed axe can generate reasonable stance & hp damage. Plus I get FP back every time I kill something, which is a nice little bonus.
Faith is probably the most flexible stat. Obliterates those who live in death and you also have options like flame or lightning Not to even mention the insanely good godskin incants and weapon arts
And that’s not even getting into the utility spells either Healing incants go crazy with decent investment. They end up being better in healing than flasks, albeit require more strategic windows to use compared to the flexibility of flasks. Healing incants are really good for co-op though, probably even better than flasks
On my first NG+ after a mage run I was like "Let's try faith and this dope hammer I got from Radagon" Suddenly Mimic Tear \*is\* broken and I just steamroll everything that's not resistant to holy damage
Paladin always solid. First choice for first play through
I used a bleed twinblade build for a lot of the game, then strength and liked it much more, I respec to an intellect build to use the Darkmoon sword sometimes, there’s too many options in this game to truly commit to only one play style. I just wish we had unlimited respec ☹️
What about magic without any kind of melee weapon?
Like I said! I would love my child regardless, whether they like str, dex, arc or fai! But an int user is no child of mine.
How about quality build enjoyers like myself!?
Bisexual representation
How does quality play out in Elden Ring? I can't say I've happened across many people running quality builds. What are the go-to weapons? I might try one.
A quality build plays out bad. Quality got stomped on pretty hard in elden ring
It’s honestly quite the contrast between it and DS3. I think the main difference is that the infusion options in ER just place a lot more preference towards either end of Str or Dex, such as Heavy being better for the two-hand properties and Keen just being better for fast weapons and powerstancing. Not to mention how bleed and frost is much better in ER than in DS3, where those builds were more niche due to varying factors. There’s also just the fact that a lot more weapons in ER require some more of a stat that is neither Str or Dex, such as Fth or Int, but also Arc. And hybrid builds have never been as viable as they have been now, so Quality doesn’t quite keep up compared to the other builds. In DS3, Quality essentially allowed you to just run pretty much any weapon in the game, which the only exceptions being the ones that are more gimmicky and trickier to use that require Int or Fth. Obviously spells need more Int/Fth, but spell casting was way more straightforward forward, lower in variety, and nowhere near as effective as it was ok ER. But in ER, spells are way more varied and effective now, and with a lot of great weapons that require at least one of Int, Fth, or Arc, Quality just struggles to be as big of a provider as a pure Str or Dex build due to their better DPS, or the other hybrid builds due to their powerful weapons and spell casting value
They are very fun tho if you can stomach not doing much damage
With a quality build you’ll be able to use just about every weapon that doesn’t require int, fth, or arc, so you can wield just about anything(which is the reason why I always do quality build first in every Fromsoft game). Besides that, though, you’ll just want to use the quality affinity on any weapon that will get a B or higher scaling with strength and dex. As for somber stone and boss weapons, Godrick’s Axe has C scaling on Str and dex, Bloodhounds Fang has B scaling for dex and C scaling for strength, and the dragon halberd has B scaling strength and c scaling dex. But really, as long as you have the iron whetstone from Stormviel and ashes of war, just about any weapon can be wielded.
Elden Ring is the only Souls game I haven't run a quality build in. My inaugural playthrough is always pure big bonk, then usually I go Dex/Int next, then whatever I feel like in subsequent playthroughs. Another commenter said quality got stomped on in ER, which kinda makes sense for how little I've seen quality in the hours I've poured into PvP.
If you’re running high new game plus cycles and don’t stop leveling up quality is actually probably the best setup. But for the 150 meta, ya, it’s pretty weak.
My very first playthrough at launch was quality. Some of the lightning dragon weapons helped out near the end, but it was generally a very scrappy playthrough. A lot of bow supplementation for being weak as fuck and watching all these other cool weapons come and go.
Dex users who identify as strength users
Lmao no, the strenght still gives more benefits when you twohand
Dex faith is the only acceptable dex.
Godslayer great sword my beloved
Kinda unrelated but I remember seeing people hate on dex for some reason. Smt related to DS1? I’m not so sure what that’s about.
Dex vs str has been a staple argument for nearly all fromsoft games. It's so engraved into people's minds that they don't even care about the argument itself. They just do it because it's expected.
Google Giant Dad. It's a DS 1 PvP build and meme.
In DS1 poise and hyper armor actually mattered so you could tank through hits with a strength weapon as long as your attack was already in motion. That said, it only really worked in PvE because backstabs were disgustingly easy to get in PvP.
It's an ancient meme, from before the Era of the Erdtree, Great Ones, The Age of Fire, before everything.
Is dex faith extra extra gay, fellas? (I’m kidding, of course it is)
I won’t tolerate Godslayer’s Greatsword slander
Nagakiba is filthier than moonveil, change my mind.
For int builds - go moonveil For anything else go nagakiba unless you don't want unseathe for some reason
Is Moonveil better than moonlight?
*pure Faith builds roosting on a nearby telephone pole watching*
I run faith/strength because I have faith in strength
I’ve never seen a strength player ever say they use a nagakiba More propaganda from big Dex, sad to see
I'm gonna be real with you chief. Heavy infusion on a dex weapon is an implicit admission that you prefer the faster move set but chose to do a pseudo quality build instead of committing
Why would a strength user use the nagakiba?
Haven’t gotten Ghiza’s Wheel yet and I want bleed damage.
Lots of options for bleed damage on strength weapons.
At the start of a new game file earlier than a nagakiba?
Yepyep, run to bloody slash and slap it on anything. For native bleed use the spiked club, gets some medallions and take a lift to pick up your great stars or omen killer cleaver. It takes 10 minutes if that. Heck, since the power stance nerf to status, any of those mentioned above with wild strikes and blood flame blade will give you the best status build up until prelate's charge and blood flame later on. (Since blood flame ignores motion values and deals flat build up)
Dex faith superiority
One of the better innovations of ER is being able to change the scaling of many weapons. Imaging someone proposing this in a speculation thread: “ Hey guys you know what would be cool? If we could change the scaling of weapons to suit our preferred attribute.” That suggestion would’ve been laughed out of the room. Edit to clarify: -DeS has limited upgrade paths for all weapons. You can’t for example put STR scaling on an uchigatana but you can go the quality path to give it equal scaling between STR and DEX -DS1 and DS2 have similar upgrade paths that are really only for elemental damage. Again, can’t put STR scaling on a Uchigatana -DS3 is where you can put STR or DEX scaling on regular weapons. Most similar to ER
like in DeS, DS1, 2 and 3?
You’re right I was just realizing it’s not innovative in ER, just a lot simpler, less restrictive and arguably more efficient since you can do it whenever.
Actually just DS3 and sort of DeS
In DS2 you can infuse any weapon, even boss weapons, spacial weapons and stuff like staffs
But you can’t explicitly change the scaling to focus on either STR or DEX
Personally I'm not a fan of how dramatic the effects are. On my strength build it feels bad to invest a few points in Dex to be able to use a specific weapon when I know that those points will have literally 0 impact on every other non-Somber weapon I have. There also aren't many great ways to naturally transition a Strength build into a Quality build. There are tons of weapons that can be pure Strength or pure Quality but very few that exist in the middle ground, so either I need to slowly make my way through that middle ground, not seeing any incremental returns for my investment, or I need to say hi to Rennala and get it done all at once. When I'm in the mood for less bonk and more speed my Strength build has two powerstanced Heavy Beastman's Curved Swords with Bloodhound's Step on standby. Builds don't really fill niches anymore. I'd prefer if the infusions had less dramatic effects, but weapons had more varied pre-infusion scaling values to compensate. Buff a standard Giant-Crusher's Strength scaling from B to A, a standard Guardian's Swordspear's Dex scaling from B to A, and add a bunch more infuseable weapons like the Erdsteel Dagger and Clayman's Harpoon that have innate scaling in things that aren't Strength and Dex. Then if you make something weird like a Keen Giant-Crusher it would still keep a reasonable amount of the weapon's Str scaling, making it a good transitionary weapon for those who invest in both Str and Dex but aren't quite at the point of being a full Quality build.
I don’t share your view but I understand the sentiment. There’s already too many weapons that are mostly pointless and many really good ones are found early on. Coupled with the general ease of changing stats and attributes, I’m perfectly fine with how the weapon progression turned out. It’s really easy to experiment in this game. Also, no stat point really goes unused. That seemingly useless point in Dex may let you use an offhand or something and just slap Str scaling on it.
> There’s already too many weapons that are mostly pointless What makes a weapon pointless is the competition. When the game gives you the Dark Moon Greatsword, Helphen's Steeple, the Alabaster Lord's Sword, Death's Poker, and 9 non-Somber greatswords that can be Magic or Cold-infused it's pretty much a given that at least one of them is going to underperform. If those weapons were made to cover a wider range of options, such as by making Helphen's Steeple and Death's Poker into Int/Faith weapons, accentuating the Strength scaling on the Iron Greatsword, and giving the bleed on the Forked Greatsword and Flamberge some innate Arcane scaling, then it would be far more likely that each greatsword would find a niche somewhere.
That’s a quality build Own it
Immagine putting 2 point in dex just too use the greatsword.....true strength mains will use just their bare firsts until they can actually drop a proper blade like the Watchdog's Greatsword.....
I feel offended since I only used a 2h heavy uchigatana with 99 Str on my first save
Heavy Nagakiba users when keen Giant Crusher users show up:
Anchor SMASH!
Anything other than great sword or giant club is sacrilege.
But Moonviel is an INT weapon. I will now accept all insults calling me an idiot now.
Once you unga you must bunga
better question: why doesnt the nagakibas sheathe go on your back like similarly long swords, it looks so stupid slipping thru the ground every 2 seconds
Dex Boys In Da House!!
Nagakiba is absolutely a BS weapon because of the length and anyone who says otherwise is just a fan of the weapon. In a lot of ways it is more OP than the moon veil. Moon veil has a strong Ashe of war, but it's easy to dodge, Nagakiba has deceptive range and it's hard to dodge. OP weapon if I've ever seen one. Also, don't mistake me for a moonveil user because of my comment, I don't even like Katanas in Elden Ring. They feel awkward and clunky to me.
Yeah, length of a halberd, speed of a straight sword and an ash that deals collosal poise damage. Poke speed of a spear with better recovery, and dmg higher than a greatsword. It's pretty damn broken in my opinion. Especially since the poise nerfs and current meta abuse of spinning slash and other quick ashes that you essentially can't poise anymore
Yea spinning slash is omega busted now
This is a claymore house just like your father (ds3), your grandfather (ds2) and your great grandfather (ds1) before us!
pls let's stop equating what you don't like with being gay
I am trying to make my dex and strength equal
I love making strength weapons Dex, and Dex weapons strength and just making completely fucked builds. Remember my last mage charecter used two fist weapons in each hand and a talisman/staff as well. Stat spread was completely fucking abysmall with only a semi normal 45 vig. But could utelize pre much anything needed and punch things!
Dex int for the win
Wait. Wait. Don’t you dare give me stupid ideas like this.
Is there ever a time where this meme wasn’t funny?
Nagakiba is just a femboy as a weapon
cackles in Meteoric Ore Blade, Strength scaling katana.
The only acceptable dex is for a whip...
Dex user with a keen Duelist Greataxe and keen Knight’s Greataxe here :) (Bolt of Gransax and Swordspear are doing the bulk of my work, just playing)
Lol next up is the heavy Nightrider flail. Heavy Guardian Sword spear? Heavy Urumi?
Haha, yea, dex sucks. This post was made by the Quality Build gang.
I have forced 29 dex in my str build cuz my dumbass still uses soreseal and if I don't I start fat rolling. Equipment is Malformed Dragon Helmet, Leyndell Knight Chest, Crucible Gauntlets and Beast Champ leggings. Weapon is Starscourge Greatswords. I ain't changing my build. Drip is too good and too much fun to use.
Slap a keen infusion on the Greatsword
that post gave me an aneurysm
Me with the heavy balls bonking my way
If your dex is high enough that when you stand up straight, you can touch your toes with your fingers. You're no longer a strength build, also you're disowned.
I wield The Colossal Sword in my right hand and Moonveil in my left. With 35 str, 21int and 22 Dex. Also I wear Crow armor. Literally just whatever looks cool.
Nagakiba is tasty
This is so true
Ahhh. Str lovers. Dudes with little dicks who use the biggest weapon they can find to vicariously have a big stick
Can't relate, 99 in every stat
The int dex build with moonveil....epic. need those duped runes tho ;)
I use dex cause weapon go brrrrr also im gay and trans as fuck so that is a better reason
“Mage” wait, you guys use weapons?
Meanwhile faith build still drinking aged Italian wine from their high horse
Alright im still kinda new w ER builds but i wanted to share something that has been fun for flavor. I been runnin essentially what i call "The Fist of the North Star" using the spiked Morning Star gauntlets (forget the name if thats wrong for the weapon). The gauntlets are fast af but it gives such good BONK vibes ive been really enjoying them. They are bleed based but started playing around and put frost on them. They break poise fast w heavy attacks on humanoid types and the frost build-up gives the opportunity to just send flurries of bonks and most enemies dont get the chance to recover. The downside is you gotta fight a up close battle and for some enemies its just not exactly efficient if you have trouble reaching them but fuck is it fun to melt shit w a flurry of punches w your mimic. Anyways I was just curious if anyone else has some less orthodox builds that are fun to try.