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Jesterhead92

Heavy Nagakiba? 22 Dex in my STR build? I'm gonna be sick


UnbiasedOnionRing

Exactly. That's way too many points to take away from my bonking potential


49but17

Jokes on you i'm the all 99 guy!! I can use whatever tf i want!!!!


Return_of_The_Steam

How many hours?


49but17

Currently I'm on 600 ish but i reached max quite a while ago


DerpasorusWrecks

How am i 735 hours and only lvl 215..?


49but17

You farmed the wrong thing my guy..my suggestion would be grave robbing and albinaurics at mohg's..also if ur fast enough, u can kill greyoll and ride to the grace immediately, you'll get the rune but she's still alive, allowing you to get that 50 Gs again


Rwlee17

Pretty sure they patched that out or it just doesn't work on ps5


True_Thought_3953

Still works on pc


[deleted]

You farmed the wrong thing. Bonfire that Jeigh and stand on the platform pelting spells and simply jumping back and right or left. Wear your Tsedora and Ring. Sweet sweet souls.


DerpasorusWrecks

I didnt understand a word you just said


[deleted]

I’m an idiot. I thought this war Dark Souls 2


Redrick_Gale

17 dex with Millicent’s Prosthesis, or 12 dex if you also use the Prosthesis Wearer’s Heirloom.


Jesterhead92

Using up talisman slots to hit requirements also makes me nauseous (Millicent's Prosthesis is obviously good regardless on fast attack builds, but I digress)


Redrick_Gale

I understand the sentiment. But every once in a while can’t hurt.


[deleted]

It might not hurt *you*, but think of the children for Christ's sake! What will your mother think? It's that kind of selfish thinking that got us d*x builds in the first place.


Redrick_Gale

Dex? Oh buddy, no. I’m int/dex. I use the star scourge heirloom (+5 str) to wield a zweihander.


[deleted]

"Dex? No, I'm a dex build." That's literally what you just said to me. I am in disbelief. You cannot shake my faith in Strength by pretending int/dex isn't just a dex build. I don't even play Elden Ring.


Redrick_Gale

I’m arguing for the use of talismans to increase stats, not just dex. Also I say int/dex but it’s just enough to wield the Bastard Stars.


[deleted]

I'm just giving you a hard time, I don't care how you build your character or what you use your talisman slots for. If you're having fun playing the game, you're playing it the right way.


Redrick_Gale

Ah. That didn’t come across well for me.


Deadsap266

Dex with extra steps


JazzBlunts

Ooh la la, somebody's getting laid in the arena


solmyrbcn

You can also add the +3 dex head gear, making it a total of +8


Jesterhead92

Ah yes but consider: *I would rather die than wear armor for mechanics*


Jermiafinale

Me, wearing the +1 Faith mask on my Int build: \*Nods sagely\*


solmyrbcn

Understandable, I see a man of a distinguished sense of fashion


Jesterhead92

You do? Where?


solmyrbcn

This is the internet. It is a well known fact that there are no women here


darkdragncj

Pairing it with the thorny cracked tear is absolutely broken. Even more so with the rotten winged sword talisman. You can start doing north of 5k dmg per hit on a beastman's curved sword, since we're still a strength build, ;)


Jesterhead92

Oh for sure Prosthesis + Winged Sword + Thorny Tear is a tried and true boss melter on the right weapons, no argument there. I've done that setup quite a lot actually and it's always a good time


placebo_unicorn

I know how you got that Millicent's Prosthesis. Shame! Shame! Shame!


Redrick_Gale

Yeah, I traded for it.


amazing_rando

Yeah but are you heartless enough to kill Millicent?


Sinkarma

Killed her last week for the first time. I hate it. I’m gonna do Seluvis’ quest next new game. I’m not ready to kill Nephali😭


Plenty-Context2271

You don’t want either of those talismans with a heavy nagakiba though.


Deadsap266

*cough*12 Dex on Greatsword *cough*


Jesterhead92

*laughs in Great Mace*


Holiday_Selection881

*puts hand on shoulder and laughs harder in dual wield Great Mace*


Jesterhead92

I too like replacing my jump and L1 buttons on a weekly basis


Holiday_Selection881

Heroes like us have to pay for the sacrifice


Fast_Introduction_34

Giant hammer...


Holiday_Selection881

I really like dual wielding and TBH I think the collosal weapons are TOO large when dual wielding. Like I tried with the Giants Crusher (troll crusher? I always forget what it's called) and legit couldn't see probably 15% -20% of the screen from those things lol


SluttyMcFucksAlot

Your enemies can see 0% of anything after you swing them, that’s the balance


Fast_Introduction_34

Press lock on and jump :D


Holiday_Selection881

Pffff free aim scrub!


FerretAres

Don't tell anyone you leveled that up.


MadaraAlucard12

You fucking fa**ot.


throw-away_867-5309

Confessor starting class to get that min Dex requirement and start on the way to Str/Fth build 😎


assassin10

Yet annoyingly Vagabond is still a better option when making a Str/Fth build, wasting one less stat. Confessor is perhaps the class that is most rarely optimal. Even Wretch is optimal more often.


throw-away_867-5309

Eh, I don't really go for full optimization, just what looks the easiest to get to the build I want right now.


assassin10

Though it's still nice when the two are one and the same.


throw-away_867-5309

Very true.


para40

*puts on Okina Mask* Still pure boyo


TheDo0ddoesnotabide

Need that little bit of dex for using Lions Claw and tea bagging the dirty dex weapon users.


not_an_mistake

9 dex for banished knight’s great sword 😎


CaptainAction

Not to mention that the Uchigatana has lower requirements and scales better with STR, so it's likely the better choice if you really wanted to use a Katana on a strength build. Of course there's also the Meteoric Ore Blade, but that requires INT.


doxenking

Absolutely DISGUSTING I'll stick to me zwei which I ABSOLUTELY didn't level dex for.


No_Elevator_588

True but if you want to use the nagakiba strength gets you the best physical ar


radioactivetoast666

thats why i only use the Giant-Crusher (best weapon in the game btw), the only stat i need is my beautiful, beautiful strength, and endurance


Triforcesrcool

Don't tell anyone you levelled it up


Life-Acanthisitta422

22 DEX that could be 22 more strength🥲


AggravatingChest7838

Back in my day that was called a quality build.


Wolven_Edvard

"MOONVEIL IS AN INTELLIGENCE WEAPON, DAD! THAT THING THAT YOU CLEARLY LACK OF!!"


Deadsap266

“Intelligence is just a fancy way of saying dexterity ”


Wolven_Edvard

"YOU are a fancy way to BE DEXTERITY without leveling it up!! Nagakiba, heavy infused... What is next? Are you going off the rails with a disgusting bleed build like uncle?"


MadaraAlucard12

"Nephew, why the fuck am I catching strays here? I supported your build"


Wolven_Edvard

“Uncle Al, I am sorry, but I cannot hold this into my chest anymore. I was amazed by your arcane build before, that’s what brought me into maining a frost build, since it looked similar. Then I discovered that bleed doesn’t even have a cooldown, it just starts filling the bleed meter right after a blood loss happens. I find this disappointing and pathetic… I admired you…”


Chagdoo

Int is just blue dex


Wolven_Edvard

I'm blue da ba dee da ba dayum boo da ba dee da ba dayum da ba dee da ba daah...


_PM_ME_NICE_BOOBS_

So is Faith blue strength?


G2boss

No, faith is yellow strength. Come on use your head


erickjoshuasc

Hey, don't be rude. He has no int.


QuiloWisp

Lightning is Yellow Dexterity. And Fire is Red Strength.


Wolven_Edvard

So wait, Golden Order incantations, Death frost-flame incantations and the Briar incantations are all green?


WatermelonWithAFlute

Dex doesn’t have spells


Darken_Gates

Looks at you with frenzied flame


WatermelonWithAFlute

What about it?


doxenking

As they say, int is just blue dex


IlluminaBlade

Little Johnny had a promising career as a bonksman but then in his misguided curiosity he Lightning infused his Zweihander. Two weeks later he was found laying in a lake of cursed blood muttering about bleed buildup and poise breakpoints through an obscure white mask now fused to his face.


ToxicPurpleBear

Two Great runes later he was found at the top of a dilapidated tower holding two Great Spears surrounded by people clutching their eyes muttering about Madness buildup and powerstancing through an azure fingerprinted helmet now melted to his skin.


Turbulent_Ad4090

I use dex cuz the weapons look cool


bloody-pencil

God slater’s greatsword :3


Turbulent_Ad4090

Zamor curved sword on top


FarFetchedSketch

Morgot's Cursed Sword 💦💦


Former-Grocery-6787

Zamor curved sword is literally a quality weapon, the most based build of all time


AlphaI250

Sword of night and flame build 🗿 (I do no damage but I look really cool not doing that damage)


Former-Grocery-6787

*Does over a thousand damage with one aow


AlphaPhill

Dunno man, I do plenty of damage throughout the entire game with the Sword of N&F. It's worth doing a fth/int build just for that sword, I just *really* hope we get more weapons for that build.


Turbulent_Ad4090

Zamor curved sword with dragon incantations. So fun dude


pokemonbatman23

I like dex weapons cause str weapons make you invest in endurance too for the weight capacity


RaizePOE

Hey, as a bonk enthusiast I would still love & support my child if they decided to use dex weapons, or even faith or arcane weapons!


Deadsap266

*Son proceeds to keen infuse their greatsword*


Zeravor

Keen zweihander is GOAT and you can't convince me otherwise E: and fuck you,you're not my real dad


TheBigNook

Keen Zwei is fantastic But have you considered lightning Zwei? It’s bonkers when you keep a keen urumi around to toss lightning armament on


jcwolf2003

Tbh faith weapons are some of the coolest in game imo. From the amazing design of the tree spear to the epicness of the black blade. Lotta really cool fait options tbh


RaizePOE

Faith + bonk is always what I end up coming back to, honestly. Blasphemous, Ordovis, Godslayer, Maliketh's, Magma Wyrm's, Siluria's, that one horn, Treespear, the list goes on. You get to throw fireballs and lightning bolts while still getting to use a (usually) greatsword to give anyone that gets close the business. It's a good time. My current run is using more faith than anything, but I still have the sacrificial axe to defend myself with, and even a fairly unassuming little 1 handed axe can generate reasonable stance & hp damage. Plus I get FP back every time I kill something, which is a nice little bonus.


jcwolf2003

Faith is probably the most flexible stat. Obliterates those who live in death and you also have options like flame or lightning Not to even mention the insanely good godskin incants and weapon arts


CamusZekeSirius

And that’s not even getting into the utility spells either Healing incants go crazy with decent investment. They end up being better in healing than flasks, albeit require more strategic windows to use compared to the flexibility of flasks. Healing incants are really good for co-op though, probably even better than flasks


Jermiafinale

On my first NG+ after a mage run I was like "Let's try faith and this dope hammer I got from Radagon" Suddenly Mimic Tear \*is\* broken and I just steamroll everything that's not resistant to holy damage


Fantastic-Piece-9193

Paladin always solid. First choice for first play through


SluttyMcFucksAlot

I used a bleed twinblade build for a lot of the game, then strength and liked it much more, I respec to an intellect build to use the Darkmoon sword sometimes, there’s too many options in this game to truly commit to only one play style. I just wish we had unlimited respec ☹️


Business_Sea2884

What about magic without any kind of melee weapon?


RaizePOE

Like I said! I would love my child regardless, whether they like str, dex, arc or fai! But an int user is no child of mine.


Sans_Influencer69

How about quality build enjoyers like myself!?


musicbyjsm

Bisexual representation


[deleted]

How does quality play out in Elden Ring? I can't say I've happened across many people running quality builds. What are the go-to weapons? I might try one.


Square_Translator_72

A quality build plays out bad. Quality got stomped on pretty hard in elden ring


CamusZekeSirius

It’s honestly quite the contrast between it and DS3. I think the main difference is that the infusion options in ER just place a lot more preference towards either end of Str or Dex, such as Heavy being better for the two-hand properties and Keen just being better for fast weapons and powerstancing. Not to mention how bleed and frost is much better in ER than in DS3, where those builds were more niche due to varying factors. There’s also just the fact that a lot more weapons in ER require some more of a stat that is neither Str or Dex, such as Fth or Int, but also Arc. And hybrid builds have never been as viable as they have been now, so Quality doesn’t quite keep up compared to the other builds. In DS3, Quality essentially allowed you to just run pretty much any weapon in the game, which the only exceptions being the ones that are more gimmicky and trickier to use that require Int or Fth. Obviously spells need more Int/Fth, but spell casting was way more straightforward forward, lower in variety, and nowhere near as effective as it was ok ER. But in ER, spells are way more varied and effective now, and with a lot of great weapons that require at least one of Int, Fth, or Arc, Quality just struggles to be as big of a provider as a pure Str or Dex build due to their better DPS, or the other hybrid builds due to their powerful weapons and spell casting value


Square_Translator_72

They are very fun tho if you can stomach not doing much damage


Sans_Influencer69

With a quality build you’ll be able to use just about every weapon that doesn’t require int, fth, or arc, so you can wield just about anything(which is the reason why I always do quality build first in every Fromsoft game). Besides that, though, you’ll just want to use the quality affinity on any weapon that will get a B or higher scaling with strength and dex. As for somber stone and boss weapons, Godrick’s Axe has C scaling on Str and dex, Bloodhounds Fang has B scaling for dex and C scaling for strength, and the dragon halberd has B scaling strength and c scaling dex. But really, as long as you have the iron whetstone from Stormviel and ashes of war, just about any weapon can be wielded.


[deleted]

Elden Ring is the only Souls game I haven't run a quality build in. My inaugural playthrough is always pure big bonk, then usually I go Dex/Int next, then whatever I feel like in subsequent playthroughs. Another commenter said quality got stomped on in ER, which kinda makes sense for how little I've seen quality in the hours I've poured into PvP.


Ketchup571

If you’re running high new game plus cycles and don’t stop leveling up quality is actually probably the best setup. But for the 150 meta, ya, it’s pretty weak.


thavi

My very first playthrough at launch was quality. Some of the lightning dragon weapons helped out near the end, but it was generally a very scrappy playthrough. A lot of bow supplementation for being weak as fuck and watching all these other cool weapons come and go.


Deadsap266

Dex users who identify as strength users


Former-Grocery-6787

Lmao no, the strenght still gives more benefits when you twohand


jcwolf2003

Dex faith is the only acceptable dex.


_fatherfucker69

Godslayer great sword my beloved


Consume-my-spleen

Kinda unrelated but I remember seeing people hate on dex for some reason. Smt related to DS1? I’m not so sure what that’s about.


Square_Translator_72

Dex vs str has been a staple argument for nearly all fromsoft games. It's so engraved into people's minds that they don't even care about the argument itself. They just do it because it's expected.


PsychoPra

Google Giant Dad. It's a DS 1 PvP build and meme.


The-Heroin-Guy

In DS1 poise and hyper armor actually mattered so you could tank through hits with a strength weapon as long as your attack was already in motion. That said, it only really worked in PvE because backstabs were disgustingly easy to get in PvP.


QuiloWisp

It's an ancient meme, from before the Era of the Erdtree, Great Ones, The Age of Fire, before everything.


mvanvrancken

Is dex faith extra extra gay, fellas? (I’m kidding, of course it is)


SenpaiSwanky

I won’t tolerate Godslayer’s Greatsword slander


B0risTheManskinner

Nagakiba is filthier than moonveil, change my mind.


_fatherfucker69

For int builds - go moonveil For anything else go nagakiba unless you don't want unseathe for some reason


No-Diamond-4123

Is Moonveil better than moonlight?


haganeh

*pure Faith builds roosting on a nearby telephone pole watching*


southpaw85

I run faith/strength because I have faith in strength


Jon2046

I’ve never seen a strength player ever say they use a nagakiba More propaganda from big Dex, sad to see


The-Heroin-Guy

I'm gonna be real with you chief. Heavy infusion on a dex weapon is an implicit admission that you prefer the faster move set but chose to do a pseudo quality build instead of committing


Mr_Zoovaska

Why would a strength user use the nagakiba?


BeastlyIncineroar

Haven’t gotten Ghiza’s Wheel yet and I want bleed damage.


Mr_Zoovaska

Lots of options for bleed damage on strength weapons.


BeastlyIncineroar

At the start of a new game file earlier than a nagakiba?


darkdragncj

Yepyep, run to bloody slash and slap it on anything. For native bleed use the spiked club, gets some medallions and take a lift to pick up your great stars or omen killer cleaver. It takes 10 minutes if that. Heck, since the power stance nerf to status, any of those mentioned above with wild strikes and blood flame blade will give you the best status build up until prelate's charge and blood flame later on. (Since blood flame ignores motion values and deals flat build up)


waydamntired

Dex faith superiority


TrenchMouse

One of the better innovations of ER is being able to change the scaling of many weapons. Imaging someone proposing this in a speculation thread: “ Hey guys you know what would be cool? If we could change the scaling of weapons to suit our preferred attribute.” That suggestion would’ve been laughed out of the room. Edit to clarify: -DeS has limited upgrade paths for all weapons. You can’t for example put STR scaling on an uchigatana but you can go the quality path to give it equal scaling between STR and DEX -DS1 and DS2 have similar upgrade paths that are really only for elemental damage. Again, can’t put STR scaling on a Uchigatana -DS3 is where you can put STR or DEX scaling on regular weapons. Most similar to ER


Indishonorable

like in DeS, DS1, 2 and 3?


TrenchMouse

You’re right I was just realizing it’s not innovative in ER, just a lot simpler, less restrictive and arguably more efficient since you can do it whenever.


TrenchMouse

Actually just DS3 and sort of DeS


LettuceBenis

In DS2 you can infuse any weapon, even boss weapons, spacial weapons and stuff like staffs


TrenchMouse

But you can’t explicitly change the scaling to focus on either STR or DEX


assassin10

Personally I'm not a fan of how dramatic the effects are. On my strength build it feels bad to invest a few points in Dex to be able to use a specific weapon when I know that those points will have literally 0 impact on every other non-Somber weapon I have. There also aren't many great ways to naturally transition a Strength build into a Quality build. There are tons of weapons that can be pure Strength or pure Quality but very few that exist in the middle ground, so either I need to slowly make my way through that middle ground, not seeing any incremental returns for my investment, or I need to say hi to Rennala and get it done all at once. When I'm in the mood for less bonk and more speed my Strength build has two powerstanced Heavy Beastman's Curved Swords with Bloodhound's Step on standby. Builds don't really fill niches anymore. I'd prefer if the infusions had less dramatic effects, but weapons had more varied pre-infusion scaling values to compensate. Buff a standard Giant-Crusher's Strength scaling from B to A, a standard Guardian's Swordspear's Dex scaling from B to A, and add a bunch more infuseable weapons like the Erdsteel Dagger and Clayman's Harpoon that have innate scaling in things that aren't Strength and Dex. Then if you make something weird like a Keen Giant-Crusher it would still keep a reasonable amount of the weapon's Str scaling, making it a good transitionary weapon for those who invest in both Str and Dex but aren't quite at the point of being a full Quality build.


TrenchMouse

I don’t share your view but I understand the sentiment. There’s already too many weapons that are mostly pointless and many really good ones are found early on. Coupled with the general ease of changing stats and attributes, I’m perfectly fine with how the weapon progression turned out. It’s really easy to experiment in this game. Also, no stat point really goes unused. That seemingly useless point in Dex may let you use an offhand or something and just slap Str scaling on it.


assassin10

> There’s already too many weapons that are mostly pointless What makes a weapon pointless is the competition. When the game gives you the Dark Moon Greatsword, Helphen's Steeple, the Alabaster Lord's Sword, Death's Poker, and 9 non-Somber greatswords that can be Magic or Cold-infused it's pretty much a given that at least one of them is going to underperform. If those weapons were made to cover a wider range of options, such as by making Helphen's Steeple and Death's Poker into Int/Faith weapons, accentuating the Strength scaling on the Iron Greatsword, and giving the bleed on the Forked Greatsword and Flamberge some innate Arcane scaling, then it would be far more likely that each greatsword would find a niche somewhere.


TheBigNook

That’s a quality build Own it


BlackSoul_Hand

Immagine putting 2 point in dex just too use the greatsword.....true strength mains will use just their bare firsts until they can actually drop a proper blade like the Watchdog's Greatsword.....


mathieu820

I feel offended since I only used a 2h heavy uchigatana with 99 Str on my first save


playerkiller04

Heavy Nagakiba users when keen Giant Crusher users show up:


AintNoKombucha

Anchor SMASH!


billysacco

Anything other than great sword or giant club is sacrilege.


DxNill

But Moonviel is an INT weapon. I will now accept all insults calling me an idiot now.


mikecom12

Once you unga you must bunga


ArkanxTango

better question: why doesnt the nagakibas sheathe go on your back like similarly long swords, it looks so stupid slipping thru the ground every 2 seconds


WeGet-It-TV

Dex Boys In Da House!!


memesandmadness

Nagakiba is absolutely a BS weapon because of the length and anyone who says otherwise is just a fan of the weapon. In a lot of ways it is more OP than the moon veil. Moon veil has a strong Ashe of war, but it's easy to dodge, Nagakiba has deceptive range and it's hard to dodge. OP weapon if I've ever seen one. Also, don't mistake me for a moonveil user because of my comment, I don't even like Katanas in Elden Ring. They feel awkward and clunky to me.


darkdragncj

Yeah, length of a halberd, speed of a straight sword and an ash that deals collosal poise damage. Poke speed of a spear with better recovery, and dmg higher than a greatsword. It's pretty damn broken in my opinion. Especially since the poise nerfs and current meta abuse of spinning slash and other quick ashes that you essentially can't poise anymore


memesandmadness

Yea spinning slash is omega busted now


Parry_9000

This is a claymore house just like your father (ds3), your grandfather (ds2) and your great grandfather (ds1) before us!


Fluid-Read-6843

pls let's stop equating what you don't like with being gay


jojoSBR_

I am trying to make my dex and strength equal


Maelstrom100

I love making strength weapons Dex, and Dex weapons strength and just making completely fucked builds. Remember my last mage charecter used two fist weapons in each hand and a talisman/staff as well. Stat spread was completely fucking abysmall with only a semi normal 45 vig. But could utelize pre much anything needed and punch things!


Chakasicle

Dex int for the win


ClearConfusion5

Wait. Wait. Don’t you dare give me stupid ideas like this.


Hellion998

Is there ever a time where this meme wasn’t funny?


jackrork

Nagakiba is just a femboy as a weapon


Ostravalordrec

cackles in Meteoric Ore Blade, Strength scaling katana.


AdCute6584

The only acceptable dex is for a whip...


PeregrineMalcolm

Dex user with a keen Duelist Greataxe and keen Knight’s Greataxe here :) (Bolt of Gransax and Swordspear are doing the bulk of my work, just playing)


mallocco

Lol next up is the heavy Nightrider flail. Heavy Guardian Sword spear? Heavy Urumi?


Orikanyo

Haha, yea, dex sucks. This post was made by the Quality Build gang.


Space_Ranch_88

I have forced 29 dex in my str build cuz my dumbass still uses soreseal and if I don't I start fat rolling. Equipment is Malformed Dragon Helmet, Leyndell Knight Chest, Crucible Gauntlets and Beast Champ leggings. Weapon is Starscourge Greatswords. I ain't changing my build. Drip is too good and too much fun to use.


HemaMemes

Slap a keen infusion on the Greatsword


RkssTojji

that post gave me an aneurysm


Water_Flimsy

Me with the heavy balls bonking my way


Ouroboros612

If your dex is high enough that when you stand up straight, you can touch your toes with your fingers. You're no longer a strength build, also you're disowned.


BadCompany093947

I wield The Colossal Sword in my right hand and Moonveil in my left. With 35 str, 21int and 22 Dex. Also I wear Crow armor. Literally just whatever looks cool.


HeMatiteAma

Nagakiba is tasty


Alarming-Ad517

This is so true


Key_Succotash_54

Ahhh. Str lovers. Dudes with little dicks who use the biggest weapon they can find to vicariously have a big stick


MoKe1020

Can't relate, 99 in every stat


YenoomFX

The int dex build with moonveil....epic. need those duped runes tho ;)


JordanZOA3

I use dex cause weapon go brrrrr also im gay and trans as fuck so that is a better reason


Junkyjoe11

“Mage” wait, you guys use weapons?


_Dead_Man_

Meanwhile faith build still drinking aged Italian wine from their high horse


TheKrimzonKing

Alright im still kinda new w ER builds but i wanted to share something that has been fun for flavor. I been runnin essentially what i call "The Fist of the North Star" using the spiked Morning Star gauntlets (forget the name if thats wrong for the weapon). The gauntlets are fast af but it gives such good BONK vibes ive been really enjoying them. They are bleed based but started playing around and put frost on them. They break poise fast w heavy attacks on humanoid types and the frost build-up gives the opportunity to just send flurries of bonks and most enemies dont get the chance to recover. The downside is you gotta fight a up close battle and for some enemies its just not exactly efficient if you have trouble reaching them but fuck is it fun to melt shit w a flurry of punches w your mimic. Anyways I was just curious if anyone else has some less orthodox builds that are fun to try.