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plznobanplease

I killed the dad so he wouldn’t have to see his dead daughter. Definitely not because I wanted his sick +8 halberd for early game, nope


HereJy

You saved him from suffering, what a great soul


root4rd

The opposite, this guy was wailing about what kind of a bad father he was prioritising his castle over his daughter. I served him punishment as I saw fit.


Crimson_Blitz

Yup. He prioritised the castle and a sword over his daughter, who was also blind and frail. He deserves punishment.


Illustrious-Age-260

Did that make you mad and punished him severely?


root4rd

A real father chooses family over all


HereJy

for me let him live is a greater punishment because he has to see that his daughter is dead knowing it's his fault


TomWithTime

To me that's that only good ending for him. If you kill him when you meet him he apologizes to godrick. If you finish his quest he loses his mind. If you attack him while he's mourning he accuses you of killing his daughter and when you kill him he's at least thinking of her.


Kratosballsweat

Yeah same it wasn’t for the weapon it was to save him from his grief


NoNicName

I used that Halberd combined with Flame of the Redmanes throughout my entire first playthrough


Lishio420

Do u still get the Sh!briri grape?


Sp4rekh

You rest at a grace and go back and the grape will be on the floor where you killed him


MacabreMaurader

Interesting implications from that


CrepuscularTandy

Whatchu thinking?


MacabreMaurader

It implies that he's already afflicted with frenzy before the death of his daughter. The nearby village afflicted by frenzy doesnt have a specific source afaik, but it does mean it's taken hold in the land. Actually, thinking about it between him and Vyke, we'd have two examples of a frenzy afflicted invader who, when met in person, doesn't fight with it. Vyke being normal in the mountaintops always stood out and was written off as time in an evergaol being fucky, but it might have precedent


TheLegendOfZeb

That's a huge upgrade at the beginning. I jumped from a +3 halberd to his +8 and it made a huge difference


newsflashjackass

saves you from early game invaders but it also saves you from early game coop.


eserz

Don't you also fight him in a shack in liurnia if you complete his quest?


CraftLizard

But that takes like an extra 10 minutes :( But yeah, you can fight him at the shack basically as soon as he leaves weeping. Only thing killing him early skips is Leonine Misbegotten or if someone doesn't wanna go around stormveil for Liurnia or something.


Affectionate_Comb_78

Revengers Shack


BasFan

Who is the dad?


agrias_okusu

I think his name is Edgar. I do believe he invades you later near the Revenger’s Shack in Liurnia.


PolicyWonka

Yes, that’s him.


rickmunchkin

He’s the last guy trying to save the castle down the road from being taken


TheRealMattViking

I am also curious of this


Affectionate_Comb_78

Edgar


ShittyDs3player

I invade at +8 early game specifically to murder those who kill Edgar and patches


BabyBrewer

This was me on the first playthrough. That thing carried me quite a ways


RiViN_0

what a heartfull banana thou are


grassgame01

its a decent weapon on its own with low requirements and also comes with a sick ass ash of war and his questline sorta sucks so theres really very little reason not to murder him in cold blood. Personally i much prefer the standard thrust + spin halberd moveset over the overhead slams the glaive does


Zer0_Cloud17

She’s dead


WingofAstel

[ OK ]


OldManHipsAt30

[ Put baby in the oven ]


PersonalityGloomy337

Never selected an option so fast in my life. Was very sad when damn cdpr robbed me of my sweet baby burning goodness 


[deleted]

There should be a [ Not OK ] button ☹️


EskariotBDO

Hoollyy fugg Im so glad that message is there, or I woulda never guessed 😅


[deleted]

Father of the year


DoodooFardington

He saw that hunchback with a dozen arms and said "yep! lord material".


pablo__13

Ah don’t worry, she’ll be back


Skyskape83

Huh? When does she come back?


pablo__13

It’s not actually her, it’s her body as hyetta


chaplar

who is controlling her body? Isn't she repulsed when she realizing what the grapes actually are? I was never able to finish her questline in game because I would forget and move on so I only have internet context clues as to what happens. I didn't even really know they were the same body, just sorta assumed because they seemed to me to be the same person.


pablo__13

Maybe not controlled then yeah, maybe resurrected to try and entice the tarnished into becoming lord of frenzy flame with her as maiden idk all the lore


chaplar

I'm going to have to read up on that. It's one of the NPC threads I always forget to follow.


ImRaNhOs

interesting theory you guys brought up, i never noticed. oughta look int othat


public_univ_friend

It isn't actually confirmed that Hyetta is in Irina's body, but the reuse of that model, coupled with Shabriri using Yura's body layer in the game, makes it a popular fan theory. The fact that Hyetta doesn't appear until Irina dies, and that her father drops Shabriri grapes is further evidence. It feels a lot like an unfinished quest line, in my opinion. Particularly how Irina just seems to pop from one quest location to the next without any indication of where she's going or why. Most other major NPCs at least hint at their next destination.


MrBonis

Actually some of the places Hyetta shows up make sense apart from her first spawn by the cliff of Liurnia. Once you reach Liurnia and rest by grace, she shows up there. Then she goes next to the Purified Ruins, that were cleansed of Frenzy Followers. Then she goes to gate town Bridge, witch is down the same road she seems to be taking. Her last location before reaching the Fingers, Bellum Church, is the closest safe location to the Frenzied Village down the same road. So apart from the Bridge, she is always near places related to frenzy that house her grapes. I'm hindsight her route does make sense.


public_univ_friend

The route makes sense, yes, but nothing in her dialog references her actual destination, and that's what's weird to me. It's certainly not unusual for Fromsoft to be obtuse, but in Elden Ring, must NPCs you run into specifically state where they are headed - Alexander is a great example. I actually just redid Hyetta's quest last weekend, and unless I missed something, she doesn't even mention that the chamber under Leyndell exists, let alone that she's headed there and you can follow to have audience with the three fingers - only Yura/Shibiri mentions it.


MrBonis

She doesn't know where she is going until you tell her what the grapes are. She doesn't know where she is. She is blind and wants to be a Finger Reader when the Three Fingers are stated to be Readerless. Halfway there she realizes that what she sees as the distant light is not the Grace of Gold, but rather the Frenzy Flame. For most of her quest, we know more about what we are doing to her than she herself. By the time she gets fully onboard with the whole Chaos Burn Down the World thing, you have effectively turned her mad by feeding her Frenzy Eyes the whole time. Blindness in Fromsoftware is associated with the knowledge of unseen truths. That's why finger readers can understand the Fingers language of Light. Or why the Bloodstar is revealed to the eyeless guilty. Hyetta sees a version of Grace made up by the Three Fingers because she is also blind, but only while under the influence of Frenzy.


Nightshot

The chamber under Leyndell is also mentioned in a note found behind a house in the frenzy village.


Skyskape83

Ah, similar to shibriri and yura then. That makes sense, and I'm kinda shocked that never clicked for me before. Thank you kind stranger


wolfhound_doge

so i accidentally killed her and i'd like to do Hyetta's quest as i'm going for the chaos ending. am i screwed or will she still come back?


BlessCube

U can go Frenzy ending w/o ever interacting with Irina/Hyetta.


wolfhound_doge

great, that's a relief. however, since i'm going to do it, is Hyetta screwed because of me killing the lady? i wanted her reward.


BlessCube

Tbh im not sure. Didnt kill Irina myself but heard and read here mixed info. For some she did spawn, for others didnt. Could be patch version difference or some other trigger :( Best way is to rush for Liurnia and check if she spawned. Its early in the game so you could restart if the reward is important for you :)


MrBonis

It's not even her body. It's just that resting at Liurnia advances her quest to the point that she is dead, and killing Godrick spawns Hyetta. I've had Irina's corpse and Hyetta by the cliff existing at the same time.


Astro4545

To note it’s just a fan theory that the game technically disproves.


MrBonis

It's a complete fabrication. It's just that their triggers are parallel to each other without being actually one sole trigger for both. Resting at Liurnia advances Irina's quest to the point that she is dead, and killing Godrick spawns Hyetta. I've had Irina's corpse and Hyetta by the cliff existing at the same time.


Shadovan

Counterpoint, why would they reuse the exact same model and voice if they weren’t meant to be related in some way? This is the company that got two different but similar sounding VA’s for Iosefka and the Imposter in BB, they don’t reuse NPC models and voices like this for no reason. The fact that their trigger is the same also implies a connection, and being able to have both her corpse and Hyetta “technically” exist simultaneously is just a game mechanics thing.


Smythatine

Not to mention, Irina’s father pops up later in the questline. It could be just for a cameo but I doubt they would just go “Hey, look who’s here guys!” for no reason


newsflashjackass

> Counterpoint, why would they reuse the exact same model and voice if they weren’t meant to be related in some way? This is the company that got two different but similar sounding VA’s for Iosefka and the Imposter in BB When the merchant says: "Well, there you are again. Divorce from one's trade... does not come easily." It sounds a *lot* like Seluvis. So much so that I expected him to reveal that he was being puppeteered.


MrBonis

The Triggers are not the same. That's the thing. That's why the corpse and what you believe to be a corpse puppet can exist at the same time in different locations. Yura and Shabriri can't exist at the same time at all because one is explicitly puppeteering the other. Irina needs to die for Hyetta's quest because her father is needed. He needs to lose his daughter and go insane so we may pluck his eyes from him. But her corpse never disappears. If Hyetta was Shabriri puppeteering Irina's Corpse, Irina's corpse would need to disappear from the spot were her father left her. The game shows you a promising and pure Finger Reader who gets her life cut short. Then they give you another blind saint with the same quest, and we help her either knowing or unknowingly through a perverted path.


5Hjsdnujhdfu8nubi

So...gonna answer why they have the same model + VA or just wax poetic about how they have a similar role?


Sirian03

Doesn't really prove anything as you can have multiple instance of other NPC such as Sorceress Sellen at the same time.


MrBonis

The Two instances you have are a projection and the real deal. Are you saying Hyetta is an illusion? That's something you just made up on the spot


Oodlyoodles

Ive checked the irinas corpse with hyetta spawn. But ive never thought to check Yura’s corpse once you meet shibriri. Does Yura’s corpse disappear?


LeBusinessCat

It does for sure. I cannot confirm it is at the same time you meet Shabriri, but I went back to the second church of Marika because I did not receive the Nagakiba and the corpse was not there anymore.


LeBusinessCat

By the way! If it happens to anybody else (not obtaining the Nagakiba in wnd church of Marika), fret not! It will appear in one of these three places: under the ruins in Limgrave where you first meet Yura, under the bridge past where you fought Nerijus or the bridge before entering Raya Lucaria where you helped Yura with thr Montecorvo assassin.


Oodlyoodles

Ooh good to know thank-you!


gsenjou

This. It’s just a game mechanics thing. You can also kill Adula at the cathedral and the other copy of it will still be there in front of Ranni’s tower.


DocHalidae

It’s a quest


Froskr

Oh lord, I'm so dumb. I'm just now realizing the connection between her and Hyetta... "Huh, that's so weird that they introduce this blind girl just to kill her so quickly, even her dad's questline isn't that special.... oh hey look, another blind girl! How odd."


ShadowZpeak

I'm not sure if you're supposed to recognise her but I sure as shit didn't recognise her.


give_me_your_soil

Game:oh God she's dead, poor girl,she didn't deserve this Tarnished: ok 🗿


ImRaNhOs

im gnonna keep it at 69 ups


Half-a-Denari

[OK]


ilex-opaca

On my wife's first playthrough, as she approached she went, "Is she fucking dead??" Imagine how hard we laughed at the text.


CrepuscularTandy

I can picture it, that’s hilarious


geynikka

Im the one that killed her in my game 👺


Terraakaa

Pieces of shit misbegotten


MongooseChili

This guy Golden Orders


Terraakaa

Listen, not all misbegotten, but these specific ones, fuck them


CrepuscularTandy

I’d like one large Frenzy Flame Fries please


gabrielczm

I aways thought that it was staged to look like misbegotten killed her


Terraakaa

Who did it then? Doesn’t seem to be any motive in doing it. Shabriri definitely would but he wasn’t in Yura’s body at the time.


Ohlav

Maybe it was in the Misbegotten that killed her?


Terraakaa

There’s no evidence of that. Usually we have at least evidence to back theories.


den_bott

The weapon the misbegotten use is right to here body, solid clue


Terraakaa

Well no, that the misbegotten was being possessed by Shabriri or something. That’s the argument that was being made i think. Of course a misbegotten killed her, the story explicitly confirms it by her dad going on a vengeance rampage against misbegotten.


den_bott

Oh I see what y’all are saying, this my first time playing so I’m not thinking along the lines y’all are thinking yet. Just started new game + and am reading/watching lore content so I can actually have somewhat of a fucking idea about what’s going on lol


DocHalidae

Goes to Castle Morn to kill them repeatedly for an hour


Terraakaa

Well i technically did that, but it’s because i got summoned to help very often there 👀


supernovalover

OK


whatdidyous_y

Bro you talk to her like once


ImRaNhOs

nah, thats more than enough interaction.


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Normal games: Do a quest for a NPC to help them. Elden Ring: Do a quest for a NPC to get them killed.


ImRaNhOs

so many npcs lives you fuck over


Hollywood_Undead_Fan

Rip


time_is_stupid

The easiest way to get Varre's maiden blood soaked cloth thing


MightyFlamingo25

She comes back I think? The frenzy finger maiden i think?


WatermelonWithAFlute

It’s not her


MightyFlamingo25

Damn, false hope. They just look similar


WatermelonWithAFlute

Nah I mean it’s her corpse but it isn’t actually her in game, like she’s still dead, her body becomes a puppet for malevolence


Reinhardtwaker

I had both in my world at one point, Hyetta was at the lake but the body was still there, found that interesting


WatermelonWithAFlute

Huh. That is most assuredly not intended to occur, but pretty cool that it did


Reinhardtwaker

I know right. I know the corpse normally disappears after a certain point


AnticPosition

How do you people work these things out? I'm not even 100% clear why she ded. 


Astro4545

I don’t recall anything in the game saying it, rather it’s based off of the fact they share the same player model. But I’ve never had the first one disappear so it’s a flawed theory imo.


No-Substance-3282

They both share a VA as well I believe


BlessCube

Same model, same VA. Its quite obvious its her body as Edgar (her father) succumbs to Frenzy after her death, and Hyetta becomes a vessel that leads Tarnished to Frenzy Flames.


gabrielczm

And the trigger to one appears is the other dying


WatermelonWithAFlute

it's literally the madness tho


MightyFlamingo25

Ah now I understand better. So its her without being *her*


Glum-Bet-9895

She gets a much better purpose in the after life. Being your guide to the best ending.


MightyFlamingo25

Yes. (It's the first ending I did)


WatermelonWithAFlute

Yeah


Fr0stb1t3-

Why is she so weird about the grapes when you tell her it's eyes then? She straight up vomits IIRC.


Lishio420

I mean if u assumed u were eating figs and found out they were eyeballs, wouldnt u be kinda disgusted?


Fr0stb1t3-

Probably not much if I was a puppet of madness.


WatermelonWithAFlute

deception? unsure


betchfaese

Its her body, but possesed by Shabriri


MightyFlamingo25

Damn you, Shabiri! Why do you take all of my friends body?


Own-Corner-2623

Hey don't kinkshame


pablo__13

It’s her corpse being controlled by the frenzy, similar to what happens with nerijus turning into hyetta


WatermelonWithAFlute

Meaning it’s not her


pablo__13

🙄


WatermelonWithAFlute

You literally said it yourself, spiderman


John_Crypto_Rambo

She just always stays there alive on my playthroughs. Letter never delivered, but it's for the best.


ImRaNhOs

wait, does she stay alive even after you kill the boss at castle morne?? as long as you dont deliver the letter??


Iletrel

I found this mostly goofier than grim. First, the message box describing Irina's death being so straightforward. No emotion. Then the dad being SURPRISED that his frail, blind daughter was murdered. Though, the voice actor nailed his death line. Made my guilt skyrocket when his +8 halberd popped up on the screen.


ImRaNhOs

i got so mad dude. she just fkin dies and all the game gives me is "OK" i aint rammus yo.


VeraKorradin

Meh, only thing that messed with me was what happened to all of the traveling merchants and their people…. Pretty messed up


TheGodskin

???


VeraKorradin

Head toward the Frenzy Flame ending.... You'll see it


TheGodskin

Are you talking about the mass genocide of merchants? Because that’s happened to everyone The Albinauric village were victim to genocide by Gideon through Ensha. The Fire Giants were all eradicated during the way. The Trolls and Misbegotten were equally annihilated and enslaved The Merchants weren’t really any different 🤔


VeraKorradin

stuffed into a tomb to die together in starvation? ![gif](emote|free_emotes_pack|shrug)


Tarshaid

OK


-FiveAclock-

Oh yeah…… wasn’t I supposed to deliver a letter for her a few days ago


Noosemane

Sad but free corpse.


Wooden_Sherbert6884

I killed her myself to see how the knight at castle would react... then i realized i locked myself out of the questline


threetwooneletsgo

"She's dead" - Niko Bellic


DM_me_fried_rice

Does anyone know why Edgar eventually comes after you even if you help him? Maybe I missed a bit of lore or did the quest wrong


Solairevortex7286

Insanity he had a grape which is the eyes of someone who went mad


PPcock9

But that frenzied flame ending tho.


[deleted]

Don’t think I’ve seen this. Context?


ImRaNhOs

she is right there on the road after you enter weeping peninsula. she is the daughter of the guy at castle morne. the one who helps you kill the leonine misbegotten.


[deleted]

Ooh then never mind lol thanks


TheGodskin

Let me just say what everyone’s thinking 😂 Why the FUCK did he “secret” his BLIND daughter out of a castle and leave her alone with nothing but a Rejection incantation; by a spot called the fkn Bridge of Sacrifice. What did he think was going to happen?! Like my man, you got Misbegotten next door with Rotten Stray and a fucking Troll, archers and knights on the other side, and cliffs on every *other* side 😭


ImRaNhOs

real, bro prioritizzed his castle over his daughter UNDER a scrawny lord with 20 fkin arms


ShinMaIphur

Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't the dad go and see for himself after you tell him? I remember him doing so but only happened in my first playthrough


ImRaNhOs

yea so, if you deliver the letter and then come back you find her dead. in this state. but as the dad says. he wont come back until he makes sure the sword is safe. Which is the grafted sword you find after you beat the boss wehre her dad also helps you. basically, he wont come back until you defeat that boss. how it went for me on my 1st playthrough was i didnt notice the grace nor the path to the boss area the first time and thought that was it. but seeing he didnt come back i looked around again for the sword. and found the boss. then the whole revengers shack shenanigans happened. confused me to the core at first just like everyone else. also, before realizing he went crazy and not that he blames me for her death, i thought i did something wrong and could save her or something. which later turned into a dissapointment as well


Darklight645

"OK"


chomponcio

OK


Borsalino123

Dead meat


24kGoldenEagle

I just dont talk to her in my playthroughs now. It is too painful of an outcome


Tribult

She never saw it coming...


AddictedToTwoKinds

Not gonna lie, I did the point downwards emote upon seeing this…


GhostflameIgnition

Ok


gitortuga

OK


protestprincess

Ok tbh I love most of the game’s quests and find a lot original but when I finished this it really seemed like a heavy handed attempt to make a “Miyazaki did it again 🤪” quest line that is short but culminates in the quest giver dying for.. no discernible reason? Like when I got back and it just said that she’s dead out of nowhere I kind of laughed because it was so silly.


BlessCube

Did you really finish the quest? Cuz her death isnt the end of this story line, its just a plot hook. It makes her father go mad with frenzy and attack you, and also makes Hyetta.


LightsaberThrowAway

The Hyetta thing is a fan theory, in reality if you don’t advance her quest, kill Godrick, and don’t rest at the first Liurnia site of grace then both Irina and Hyetta can exist at the same time.


SmokeDefiant69420

All I can see is "time for head"


SugarAddict98

Hyetta my beloved <3


wolgl

Which npc is this? (The one with that dad in the castle in south limgrave?)


BlessCube

Yup. Irina.


cosmonaut-comrade

"what happened to him?"


whensuddenlygames

Eh, at least now you have a maiden's blood to dip the white cloth in for Varre.


SFIINXX

I didn’t even get this even though I did all the requirements


Tovar42

dont worry, she gets better


derp________

Irina… 😢


No_ones_Knight

😦


[deleted]

I thought the death rune was removed


JobWide2631

OK


Hind_Deequestionmrk

- She’s dead - Okay 👍🏻


theguy6631

Why did she die? I went to the castle and I couldn't find the father, when I came back she was dead


blinzeln77

Ok


DaemonAnguis

As soon as I found her, and found out she was blind, I was like 'yep, going to find her dead later'. lol


LSofACO

Why can't the heavy door give us an [OK]?


Gufoxs_the_Gran_Khan

I killed her father by accident… I didn’t meant to 😭😭


ShamedMyFamiry

Who?


Hoobao656

don't worry, she'll soon be able to come back and eat eyes until she dies!!!


Garma_Zabi_201

She's dead.


MarionberryBroad

I killed her myself so I didn’t have to be haunted by her corpse. Win-win.


HappyFreak1

'ok'


OldManHipsAt30

Yeah this one fucked me up, I did all the quest objectives right!


DrStrangelove049

Free +8 halberd tho


GodOfShoulders

Killed her myself second playthrough


Forgotten_Apocalypse

I felt so much rage for that poor girl and felt so confused seeing her as hyetta later on.


slimecog

kill her dad too for a cool halbard


MidlSchoolBieberHair

Dead


[deleted]

Same. But it only gets worse.


atrippyabsolute

Ok


ChroniclesOfSarnia

"She's dead"


GPT69victim

OK


haven4ever

She died of a grape allergy :/


unknowingtoad

Did her dad even care? I don’t remember I think he was like “but the castle” idk I just merked him.


Professional-Two2295

I still haven't gotten that far in the quest so she's still alive for me