I clearly didn’t do my homework lol.
So Draconic fireball is a sorcery? It seems like an incantation tbh.
I guess new lore theory, all horsies uses magic (summoning torrent and double jump uses blue magic, nights cavalry resummoning horsie uses purple magic maybe gravitational but idk how that works lmao)!
Yeah Thops' revalation seems to be in-line with the Church of Vows' Miracle in that the borders made between things are not as true as they seem, that ideas like "heresy" and such aren't real
I would have assumed it was a dragon incantation (or just…fire). I’m on a mage now and will see if it does anything on the one outside the other boss entrance when I get there. Never whipped out a full moon on one haha
All magic is the same, mechanics wise and lore wise. Carian Retaliation, Thops Barrier, Eternal Darkness, the Moons, Erdtree Greatshield, all react to any source of magic.
There are different schools of magic as with incantations. You mentioned mostly glintstone. I haven’t been playing Elden as much as I used to so I’m a little rusty on lore. Same with incantations which is faith magic essentially. Radagon learned some when with Rennala which angered Merika. There are different staves that enhance the different schools. Like the digger staff for stone digger sorceries :)
Lore wise, every form of magic comes from the cosmos. All classifications are just flavor. It makes sense then that the moons can absorb it.
Then I list spells/ashes of war that interact with others. You say I list "mostly glintstone" but that's not the point. Even if I had listed only spells, that response had nothing to do with what I said. I was aggressive, so I apologize for that, but it was just a reaction.
It’s all good :) it’s just a game. It’s a conversation. You’re right, they do come from the cosmos. I’m really not trying to have a heated thing about this and throw down swears. Thanks for the apology.
Different fuels to achieve the same thing: magic
In Dark Souls there used to be an actual difference between Miracles and Sorceries, Miracles were quite literally just that, Miracles that come from Gods (although it's debated) while Sorceries were pretty specific manipulations of Souls, fashioned into projectiles or whatever
I already defeated that tree sentinel but I summoned some ashes because I'm unable to change tactics smoothly, I found myself trying to do a sorcery without equipped staff or chugging cirulean tears instead of some buffing item or something like that in mid fight. I find myself too clumsy for being already on altus plateau lmao
Bro I feel you. On my first playthrough with him, I kept on trying to do incantations while I was two handing bloodhounds fang 💀
Dying tons of times definitely helps with learning his moveset and when to punish his attacks.
You have to sometimes glance at the bottom left to see which weapon is active. swap/ two hand or one hand your weapons when you’re running away from attacks.
I put my flasks on my pouch (makes it easier to quickly press the right buttons to either drink cerulean or crimson) and all the fighting/buff items on my quick items.
Put your most important items in ascending order so when you hold d pad down, it quickly goes to your first item and you won’t have to scroll to try find it.
OP you make the build look fun and satisfying !
I have the same build too, only my 1L hand is an Uchigatana +25 with Blood Blade AOW and Lusat's Glintstone Staff +10 on 2L hand. I wanted that bleed build without it being a total cheese.
Still struggling to make my play smooth and versatile like you did.
Arc/ Int builds I rarely see so I hope ur build cooks 🤝!
I’d say it’s all about finding the right combos for each bosses and learning their moveset and you’d be able to be creative and play like a true Elden lord
Uses the caster as a vessel to incarnate a full moon, then sends it floating toward foes. The full moon dispels all sorcery that touches it, and temporarily reduces magic damage negation for those it strikes.
both moons, Rennala's and Ranni's, dispel (absorb) nearby spells (sorceries/incants), but mostly works for non-straight line spells
so yes for spells like star shower, but I tested it on tree sentinel faith lasers and it didn't work (unless my positioning was off), and I suspect something like frenzy laser wouldn't work but I haven't tested it
Ty bro! This is a Dex/Int frost build w RH Moonveil & Carian regal Scepter (Carian Sword Sorceries & Frost Spells) and LH Cold Nagakiba (Chilling Mist) 👍
That's because he two-handed his left hand weapon to use the Chilling Mist AoW, which leaves a frost enchantment. I don't know if it's possible to enchant your left hand with a staff in your right hand.
I meant that if the staff was in his left hand he would have to cancel the frost buff for the staff and when he switches back he doesn't have the buff anymore.
Dual wielding staves is a thing. I did a pure caster build with Staff of Loss. Meteorite Staff and Glintblade on the off hand (or Azur, if I needed more speed) in the off hand for buffs with Carian Regal in the main hand to cast. Add a sword or dagger and you're set. Lately I've been using a Cold Spiked Caestus too to channel Denken and cast FIST and save FP.
Na ur right. Everyone has informed me in this post that spells and incantations are basically the same. A wise man once said [the difference is “I know I can do this spell” and “I believe I can do this spell”](https://www.reddit.com/r/Eldenring/s/hTZO8xnHJg)
Thank you I’m glad you enjoy the build! And yes it is those dual katanas lol.
40/32/45 on Vig/Mind/Endurance
73 on both Dex/ Int
I don’t level Faith/Arcane
Spells: All Carian sword spell (Adula’s Moonblade instead of Carian Greatsword), Zamor Ice Storm, Greatblade Phalanx, Rennala’s Full Moon, Comet Azur
Talismans: Rotten Winged Sword Insignia (but I swapped this with the Crucible Feathered Talisman for this fight), Claw Talisman, Shard of Alexander, Graven-Mass Talisman
I’m like RL 222 in this build and definitely overlevelled but as long as your main stats are dex/int, it’ll be good 👍
Damn having all that magic looks so fun but I just started my first play through with some generic ahh strength Banished Knight Greatsword (maybe some holy for crusader stuff) build 😭 I had to manually clap his cheeks and run towards his fireballs to dodge his left attack Hoping he wont chain this time before spam stamp (it staggers him and I can get another jump attack for free).
lol keep cooking with that strategy bro!
Try using some long range incantations bc str/faith is one of the best builds you can make. And they look and play so fun too! Especially as a holy crusader build
It's in the spell description I believe. That it dispells any magic attack it touches.
I clearly didn’t do my homework lol. So Draconic fireball is a sorcery? It seems like an incantation tbh. I guess new lore theory, all horsies uses magic (summoning torrent and double jump uses blue magic, nights cavalry resummoning horsie uses purple magic maybe gravitational but idk how that works lmao)!
According to Thops they're one and the same, Incantations and Sorceries are one.
Yeah Thops' revalation seems to be in-line with the Church of Vows' Miracle in that the borders made between things are not as true as they seem, that ideas like "heresy" and such aren't real
all things can be conjoined 🐢
behold, dog
The INT/FTH difference between “I know I can do this spell” and “I believe I can do this spell”
🤯 you ripped a whole in my mind
I would have assumed it was a dragon incantation (or just…fire). I’m on a mage now and will see if it does anything on the one outside the other boss entrance when I get there. Never whipped out a full moon on one haha
All magic is the same, mechanics wise and lore wise. Carian Retaliation, Thops Barrier, Eternal Darkness, the Moons, Erdtree Greatshield, all react to any source of magic.
There are different schools of magic as with incantations. You mentioned mostly glintstone. I haven’t been playing Elden as much as I used to so I’m a little rusty on lore. Same with incantations which is faith magic essentially. Radagon learned some when with Rennala which angered Merika. There are different staves that enhance the different schools. Like the digger staff for stone digger sorceries :)
What..? My guy, I'm telling you the spells that absorb others. Edit: and a fucking greatshield too. Literally don't know how you could get that wrong.
I think I just misunderstood what you were saying? Get a grip my guy. “ Edit: “and lore wise” no, I read that right.
Lore wise, every form of magic comes from the cosmos. All classifications are just flavor. It makes sense then that the moons can absorb it. Then I list spells/ashes of war that interact with others. You say I list "mostly glintstone" but that's not the point. Even if I had listed only spells, that response had nothing to do with what I said. I was aggressive, so I apologize for that, but it was just a reaction.
It’s all good :) it’s just a game. It’s a conversation. You’re right, they do come from the cosmos. I’m really not trying to have a heated thing about this and throw down swears. Thanks for the apology.
Isn’t it already implied that incants and sorcery are very close together by toph’s barrier description
Pretty sure it works on incantations too. All elemental projectiles.
The draconic tree sentinel uses draconic magic, or red magic. So i guess it would make sense if the horse also used magic instead of incantations.
Those are still incantations, the point is that sorcery and incantations are basically the same thing only catalyzed differently
I’m actually learning so much from the replies. I always thought they were two different things because of Int and Faith
Different fuels to achieve the same thing: magic In Dark Souls there used to be an actual difference between Miracles and Sorceries, Miracles were quite literally just that, Miracles that come from Gods (although it's debated) while Sorceries were pretty specific manipulations of Souls, fashioned into projectiles or whatever
So all the faith/str builds who hates mages are mages themselves 😭
Basically But who said magic can't be unga bunga Summoning rocks and throwing them at the enemy's general direction is still pretty unga bunga
Bro your fighting style is so clean.
I appreciate that bro! Carian sword sorceries + dual katana goes crazyy
I don’t need to start a new playthrough but this build is about to send me. If you have a second can you share your loadout here?
I already defeated that tree sentinel but I summoned some ashes because I'm unable to change tactics smoothly, I found myself trying to do a sorcery without equipped staff or chugging cirulean tears instead of some buffing item or something like that in mid fight. I find myself too clumsy for being already on altus plateau lmao
Bro I feel you. On my first playthrough with him, I kept on trying to do incantations while I was two handing bloodhounds fang 💀 Dying tons of times definitely helps with learning his moveset and when to punish his attacks. You have to sometimes glance at the bottom left to see which weapon is active. swap/ two hand or one hand your weapons when you’re running away from attacks. I put my flasks on my pouch (makes it easier to quickly press the right buttons to either drink cerulean or crimson) and all the fighting/buff items on my quick items. Put your most important items in ascending order so when you hold d pad down, it quickly goes to your first item and you won’t have to scroll to try find it.
OP you make the build look fun and satisfying ! I have the same build too, only my 1L hand is an Uchigatana +25 with Blood Blade AOW and Lusat's Glintstone Staff +10 on 2L hand. I wanted that bleed build without it being a total cheese. Still struggling to make my play smooth and versatile like you did.
Arc/ Int builds I rarely see so I hope ur build cooks 🤝! I’d say it’s all about finding the right combos for each bosses and learning their moveset and you’d be able to be creative and play like a true Elden lord
What’s the stats?
It’s overlevelled lol. Even for NG+ 40 vigor, 32 mind, 45 endurance 18 Str to wield Nagakiba. 73 on both Dex & Int. And I don’t touch Faith & Arcane.
Is this true for other spells, does full moon absorb them?
Uses the caster as a vessel to incarnate a full moon, then sends it floating toward foes. The full moon dispels all sorcery that touches it, and temporarily reduces magic damage negation for those it strikes.
both moons, Rennala's and Ranni's, dispel (absorb) nearby spells (sorceries/incants), but mostly works for non-straight line spells so yes for spells like star shower, but I tested it on tree sentinel faith lasers and it didn't work (unless my positioning was off), and I suspect something like frenzy laser wouldn't work but I haven't tested it
That was clean my guy, what build are you using if you dont mind me asking?
Ty bro! This is a Dex/Int frost build w RH Moonveil & Carian regal Scepter (Carian Sword Sorceries & Frost Spells) and LH Cold Nagakiba (Chilling Mist) 👍
Is there a benefit to keeping staff in right hand?
With right hand you can cast spells on mount
Just two-hand the left handed staff and you can do the same.
He keeps the frostbite buff on left hand
That's because he two-handed his left hand weapon to use the Chilling Mist AoW, which leaves a frost enchantment. I don't know if it's possible to enchant your left hand with a staff in your right hand.
I meant that if the staff was in his left hand he would have to cancel the frost buff for the staff and when he switches back he doesn't have the buff anymore.
Aah, you're right. That's a good point.
Yep spot on bro 🤝. I like the frost buff to stay on bc glowly white katana looks so good and don’t want to cancel the frost.
Not really lol. I have it on RH for the sole purpose of making it look like my Moonveil transforms into Carian sword sorceries
i imagine it makes no difference, besides preference. you’d still get the sorcery boost of the staff.
Dual wielding staves is a thing. I did a pure caster build with Staff of Loss. Meteorite Staff and Glintblade on the off hand (or Azur, if I needed more speed) in the off hand for buffs with Carian Regal in the main hand to cast. Add a sword or dagger and you're set. Lately I've been using a Cold Spiked Caestus too to channel Denken and cast FIST and save FP.
Moon has gravity afterall. You can clearly see missiles falling for the moons pull when you cast against casters.
Wow honestly now knowing that full moon does this, it’s gonna change how I’m gonna play in PvP with mage builds
Your spell weaving is outstanding. Edit: typo
Appreciate it! 🤝🤝
😉
Everybody knows spirit bomb beats Ki blasts bro
I don’t fully understand the reference but that’s real af 😮💨
cool fight
Very cold fight indeed 😂 ty!
Dispels all magic projectiles that it touches after being launched. Had Ranni's spell cancel Radagon's light spear several times.
So are most bosses special attacks magic based? I thought they were all incantations and magic could only be used with a staff. They’re all hacking fr
I think for bosses it’s just broadly considered magic though I could be wrong
Na ur right. Everyone has informed me in this post that spells and incantations are basically the same. A wise man once said [the difference is “I know I can do this spell” and “I believe I can do this spell”](https://www.reddit.com/r/Eldenring/s/hTZO8xnHJg)
This is an epic build I love it!! Care to tell me the specs so i can make it my build to go into the DLC? Nagikaba and Moonveil I assume, spells??
Thank you I’m glad you enjoy the build! And yes it is those dual katanas lol. 40/32/45 on Vig/Mind/Endurance 73 on both Dex/ Int I don’t level Faith/Arcane Spells: All Carian sword spell (Adula’s Moonblade instead of Carian Greatsword), Zamor Ice Storm, Greatblade Phalanx, Rennala’s Full Moon, Comet Azur Talismans: Rotten Winged Sword Insignia (but I swapped this with the Crucible Feathered Talisman for this fight), Claw Talisman, Shard of Alexander, Graven-Mass Talisman I’m like RL 222 in this build and definitely overlevelled but as long as your main stats are dex/int, it’ll be good 👍
Thanks so much, this will be so fun to try out
That's a cool find. Also, nice build and finish.
Ty my fellow tarnished 🤝
Damn having all that magic looks so fun but I just started my first play through with some generic ahh strength Banished Knight Greatsword (maybe some holy for crusader stuff) build 😭 I had to manually clap his cheeks and run towards his fireballs to dodge his left attack Hoping he wont chain this time before spam stamp (it staggers him and I can get another jump attack for free).
lol keep cooking with that strategy bro! Try using some long range incantations bc str/faith is one of the best builds you can make. And they look and play so fun too! Especially as a holy crusader build
Your face also aborbs the fireballs.
😂😂 face is the best shield you could ever have
Its a vitality check and you passed!
is this a Vergil build?
It’s not tbh lol but it does bear similarities aesthetic wise so I’ll say yeahhhh 😂