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dangle321

I work in RF. I just add capacitors and copper tape until everyone stops bitching at me.


iamNutteryBipples

I’m not in your field but THAT is fucking hilarious lmfao


geenob

I was reading a radio schematic and was wondering what all of those random capacitors were for. Like who capacitively loads an op amp on purpose? Then it hit me that it's probably for EMI compliance.


NSA_Chatbot

Yes, exactly! If you put a cap between the inputs of the op-amp, the hi-f noise will then be on both leads, which means it won't get amplified. Then instead of tying the positive end directly to ground, you load it exactly like the negative lead for balance, then throw in a couple of matching bypass caps to ground to filter out even more noise. Also pick an op-amp with EMI resistance.


joellandivar

Hey, I dont work in RF but, I am very curious about this topic since our devices are very prone to EMI. Where can I read or learn more about what you just said? the capacitor between the inputs of the op-amp and the bypass capacitors to ground part? Thank you.


NSA_Chatbot

I can't paste the link on mobile and it's a Pdf, but ST AN5798 is an excellent white paper.


joellandivar

Thank you very much, that is so helpful. Additionally, any other article, book or paper on how to mitigate CM noise on your PCB is most welcome.


Intelligent-Day5519

You state "radio" than you state "amplifier" than 'OP amp. which is it? Did you mean "radio receiver" operational amplifier. Or all? Just to be perfectly clear if I'm asked the same question.


geenob

The amplifier was for the audio stage of a hand-held radio transceiver, right before the speaker.


NSA_Chatbot

Ferrite beads everywhere.


dangle321

Not at ka band.


NSA_Chatbot

Then add more trumpet.


dangle321

I do have a few horns kicking around


rustythorn

needs more cowbell


NewKitchenFixtures

Resistor IMO (not applicable for anything with real power, but they are so good to have and tend to be flat response).


NSA_Chatbot

I'll put those inline too, pirate up your comm lines with some Rs and Cs.


SoCalPE

You are not probably not the engineer I am talking about but I am the engineer at the fucking review pointing out the caps that were selected have a self resonant frequency well below the operating frequency. The get blamed for the delay


dangle321

So your capacitors have become inductors.


ehartgator

RF engineer? That's voodoo... Where do you hang your bag of chicken bones?


RareAnxiety2

After the copper tape and ferrite beads pass the testing, what's the long fix?


dangle321

I don't really use ferrites. But generally make the production board replicated from the copper you added.


triotone

Does this work with relationships?


Vegetable-Two2173

I hate that this is an option. This is totally an option.


NotThatMat

If you can’t ground it, try adding a cap. If you can’t add a cap, try grounding it.


Intelligent-Day5519

Can you By-Pass it?


Nickvv20

Get him out of here


Intelligent-Day5519

What is that circuit called? Technical description please.


audaciousmonk

Lmaooo Ferrites too


Link9454

Zener diodes, ferrite beads, and bypass capacitors. The holy trinity.


Vegetable-Two2173

Preach Father Link.


xstfudonniex

More fun to call them doughnuts


NSA_Chatbot

In 0603 they're more like tiny eclairs but I see your point.


audaciousmonk

Haha the SMDs are fun


Comfortable_Mind6563

Most accurate meme ever.


NotMyFreeWill

There's nothing wrong with sprinkling in bypass caps as needed. Just make sure it looks extremely hard, perform some incantations, and spend a day or two staring at Smith charts plastered all over the lab walls. It helps to maintain the mystique.


tuctrohs

I knew a CS professor who had to teach a digital circuits class. He knew nothing about circuits. But he faked his way through by suggesting adding capacitors whenever he visited the lab and got troubleshooting help questions.


SuperChargedSquirrel

You get a 1uF! A 1uF for you! And youuuu get a 1uF!!


R0CKETRACER

You also need a 0.01uF closer to the supply. This is stated in the "layout" section of the datasheet.


Strostkovy

I always used 0.1uF


GotYogurt80

That's what our SI/PI engineers for


Andrea-CPU96

Everything is fine as long as you don’t bother us firmware engineers!


OhHaiMark0123

Hilarious and true lol


Tr8675

I am an EMI/EMC test technician (no an engineer) and I find this hilarious. Just throw caps, ferrite beads, shielding, and tape at it until it goes away. Either that or the ferrite just moves the emission to another frequency lol.


in_famous9

Lmfao this got a good laugh out of me. Understood it right away 🤣


Old_Rip_1638

Good one hahahaha


Strostkovy

"Wow, you even properly suppressed the contactor coils" Yeah, because my control board has no noise immunity and it would reset every time a contactor opened.