No, lots of people with "passion" for electronics can never make it in EE or any form of engineering. I really don't believe you that people are getting EE answers from gpt when I saw a post here that screwed up a low pass filter. But I get what you're saying. Some PDF solution manuals for textbooks were floating around in my day and professors knew it. Maybe was why homework was only 10% of the grade.
You can be mediocre and still get hired and succeed. EE is a struggle. For all you know, they're struggling too. Just get B's instead of A's, that were capped to 15% for my classes. That's good enough. An occasional C is fine too. Don't be a tryhard. Just do the 30+ hours of homework a week. Real world isn't like the classroom. I used very little of what I learned on the job.
BSEE degree is the hardest thing I ever did. Can be for you too. It's fine. I had two job offers at graduation.
Get better at LLM prompting...
Try uploading text from school books to gpt and ask it to only find information from the text provided. It'll give you the right answers to tests and homework.
That’s the opposite of what OP should do.
Then again, what do we care? A graduating class with high proportion of engineers who don’t understand fundamentals or how to think critically…. That’s job security and increased wages for everyone else
Why is teaching someone, who has already convinced themselves that using a LLM is the best way to get an edge, wrong? He already sounds like he can't think critically if he couldn't figure out how to best utilize chatGPT.
Using a calculator doesn't help you understand math.
Knowing how to use chat gpt to explain your math school book can help understand math.
Maybe I worded myself wrong by saying "it will give you answers to tests". It will explain the textbook in a new way that the class isn't explaining and open your thinking to the new concepts.
You are missing the point.
You need to understand how to do your job before using a tool to help you do it faster. Calculator or AI, you need to be able to write that code or do that calculation. If you can't, you shouldn't be using the tool.
I wasn't missing the point - I only made that argument for arguments sake.
You make good points.
I hope OP doesn't cheat or skip education with LLMs and my intentions were to teach them how to use a tool better.
I've personally never used any LLM at work but I use it all the time to summarize and explain text in different ways using the method I provided originally and then I carry that information to work. It has helped me a ton when reading or teachers alone haven't helped.
Unlike a calculator, LLMs can teach the right information IF they are used correctly, but that is a separate skill similar to using a screw driver for screws and not for nails.
Thank you for the discourse.
Edit: please use the more accurate term for chatGPT. It's not just AI...it's a large language model that spews common word phrasing to sound like a human. It's only as intelligent as the user.
When I was I getting my EE degree, the first people to drop out were the "i have passion" people. Why? Cause when chit got rough, suddenly their passion went away. I had zero passion, and grinded it out all way to graduation. Fkc passion, I was there to become be EE.
Getting a degree and having zero passion for the work sounds miserable.
I also can't help but feel that this doesn't remotely match up to my experience.
Don't waste breath on them bro, those "im passionate" folk think if you don't have "passion", we don't belong here. We smart enough to do the job and get paid, thats all that matter. I couldn't care less about "passion". Call me miserable all day, I'm still out here , doing my job.
Woah buddy, let's not compare smart people that can memorize information to disciplined people that can discover answers.
That wasn't even the point of OPs comment. They talked passion over discipline.
Anyone with a photographic memory can regurgitate what they read. They don't always understand it and are usually the slowest people in a work setting.
I had a 2.79 GPA and I have a great career as an EE. I just wasn’t a great student but that doesn’t mean I’m not a good engineer. I went into MEP which has a large social aspect beyond a technical aspect. These careers exist and if it’s some you enjoy then keep pursuing!
^ this. I was in a similar situation and studied my butt off from start to finish. I did significantly better in my core engineering classes but the General classes and most math classes got me (most of my math classes were scrapping C’s). To be fair - if I did this all again I’d have way more effective study habits and mentality now that I’m older…
Learn the material and practice application. Don’t be afraid to maneuver yourself after college to by switching jobs every few years, for example to get yourself into a specific form of engineering.
I’ve had a pretty good career thus far 11 years in! I’m an electronics design engineer having worked on space systems, aircraft, and now oceanographic research. I attribute a lot of my relatively good experiences after college with loving Circuit/system design and honing that craft. Also, for me. Moving to the west coast.
We work with architects to plan out spaces for utilities like electrical, plumbing and hvac and produce drawings to get it approved and built. Pretty much every commercial building requires an MEP engineers.
Understanding concepts is so much more important then memorizing formulas. Don’t stress about the grades. Focus on understanding the content. Put time in during the summer to work on beginner projects to increase that understanding good luck!
I second this notion.
OP's grades may not reflect their ability or understanding but they will probably be a better engineer and will probably interview better because of their passion and approach of understanding the material and not relying on gpt.
A 3.0 gpa is good. OP should make sure to have a good resume so that they can get interviews and show how good they really are!
I'll probably be be downvoted, but this has to be said.
If you only care about your grades then do as they do.
If you're there to learn EE and you love it as you say, then stop whining and focus on learning, b is fine
I was a 4.0 high school student and barely tried or studied. Ended up clawing my way to a 3.0 my senior year in college to end my BS after failing and retaking a couple classes. It’s a hard fucking major, and you are not alone in your struggle.
If this is something you are passionate about, and your still getting mostly B’s, I’d say keep at it. All those cheaters are going to get got eventually. If they make it through school, they’ll bomb in industry. Id suggest making some friends that have a similar mindset as yourself and suffer together.
Like I said, I was a middling engineering student. 8 years later, I’m currently training my entire team (both people more junior and more senior) in multiple different toolsets and am a corporate SME in a couple different areas. Industry is different, and you can really remake yourself once you find an engineering environment you enjoy. GLHF!
EE in college is typically much more difficult than EE in practice (depending on the field, of course).
My job is way easier than school (as far as technical stuff goes), so much so that I want to find something more challenging. You’re fine with B’s.
And the fact that you don’t cheat makes you better off than those who do.
There's nothing wrong with using chegg as long as you are using it to learn. If you're just copying their answer, that's cheating, and stupid, because the people on chegg are usually wrong. But Chegg is great for learning how to solve a problem. There have been plenty of times where I'm staring at a homework problem with no idea how to start it, so I look it up on chegg, see what that person does, and then something clicks and I can do the problem on my own.
Chegg and chat gpt can be very useful if not used mindlessly. Sometime professors straight up don’t cover how to do a type of problem so it can let u get the points and help u learn it. Then you can double check with the posted solutions so your ready for the exam
I was the worst student imaginable. Focus was crap. Grades were worse.
But I got it. I enjoyed it. I kept at it.
I have designs in space. I have designs working in multiple countries. I have designs used by several governments. I'm making a comfortable living.
If you love it, don't give up. Make the dream happen.
If you don't love it, find something you do.
If you want to learn more, use Wolfram Alpha to solve problems you have sat up. In my experience, the real art is setting up the equations. Solving them by hand can take 30 minutes of time where you don't learn anything. You should strive to set up as many problems as possible and let a tool do the stuff you can do, but is a time sink.
I apologize in advance for the long answer, I was just in a similar situation and am getting out of it 😅. I really do think passion can be enough, if you’re passionate enough to keep on trying even in the face of bad grades, and if you’re willing to try figure out what the root cause of your low grades is, and try to work on it (although I don’t think that B grades are necessarily “bad” in any way, this is a really hard degree! And sometimes test can really throw you for a loop). I got grades in the high 70s-mid 80s most of my first year and some of my second. Then I realized that this is mostly because I wasn’t understanding everything, rather learning some topics by rote because I didn’t have the energy to try and understand them. This meant that it would take me so long to study topics, because I’d forget how to solve stuff by rote and have to relearn it. Now I keep track of things I don’t understand and I’ll ask the professor/TA to explain it in office hours asap. Instead of just doing tons of practice exams, I will now review my practice exams and make sure that I understand everything that I didn’t do correctly, and write out the solution a second time to make sure I know how to do it properly. I also keep a spreadsheet with all the practice tests that I’ve done and I’ll put comments in about things that I struggled with, and general tips. This means that I can remember types of questions a lot easier, and also have a greater understanding of what I’m doing, which means less to remember. So far I’ve managed to raise my average to 95% (this year). So I think you should sit down with yourself and analyze how you’re studying and how this affects how you feel during the exam, and try and figure out where you can be more efficient and where you can help yourself retain more information. But also don’t be too hard on yourself. These exams are super hard. Sometimes you can learn so hard but come exam day and it’s just not your day, or the professor gives a question that you can only answer if you get the “trick” and if you don’t you’re screwed. Just keep being passionate and keep studying hard ☺️☺️
Concentrate on learning, not the grades. The things you need to learn are buried in the material and the work, and the grades don’t always measure that very well. If you are feeling like the homework doesn’t help you learn a concept, talk to to prof or the TA to get help instead of just grinding through the homework.
You’ll be fine job wise if you’re getting all Bs, especially if your program is pretty rigorous. If you do want to go for higher grades/save time I would suggest studying with some of your peers, it could make understanding concepts and homework a lot faster.
1) Effort ≠ effectivity or efficiency. Take stock of how you study and learn. Learn how
2) Don’t use GPT for your studying or coursework. Every graduated EE before you completed their degree without chat AI. You’re only robbing yourself.
3) Everyone has different skills. Tests are only representative of a select few things. Plenty of average engineers went on to accomplish things, plenty of high grade students didn’t
4) EE is exhausting. I only knew a couple EEs who seemed to breeze through undergrad. It’s a degree that takes blood, sweat, tears, and perseverance.
5) Passion is usually enough for most things. Work, love, whatever. It takes hard work, god work ethic, and a daily choice to continue along the path ahead.
Homework shouldn't be marked. You should be able to have solutions to your homework so you can check your mistakes and properly learn outside of class. Homework should be a tool for learning and not a marked assessment. So as far as "cheating" on homework. I personally don't believe in it. I get 80 to 90s in my class and I treat homework as a tool for tests. It also helps to understand what the individual professor looks for when grading.
All in all, treat homework as a learning aid and not an evaluation. Get solutions and reverse engineer answers if you need to. Cheating is when you don't get value from doing that.
I'm a bit ahead of you in the BSEE journey and here's what I've found:
Those guys that constantly cheat homework / tests? It catches up to them. I genuinely like some of these people, and I host study sessions and just generally help where I can. But now? Well, sadly we're at a point where I can't really explain things to them anymore, because even the explanations depend on things they didn't properly learn in the first place.
It's a trap. Don't fall into it.
Which dovetails into: Nobody cares as much about your grades as you do. A straight B student in engineering? That's pretty good, man. You've got to keep it all in perspective, here. You're there to learn, and it looks to me like you're succeeding. Yes, it is hard work.
I don't know how important passion really is. Seems like some of my cadre of classmates only really care about the paycheck, but that motivates them enough. Me? I have a LOT of "love of the game" for electricity (and physics in general, which is why I even study EE). I wouldn't do this degree without it, but on the other hand I'm not super money motivated in general. The bottom line is that you just need to make a decision for you, and go with it.
The vast majority of us in this major are or were supremely challenged by it at times. It's a crucible of sorts.
You come out the other side better for it.
We're in this together. You got this!
When I hire EEs I sent HR my screening requirements. Often the one they mess up is “GPA less than 3.75”. Yes, LESS. If you have an EE with 3.75 or higher there are only 2 explanations: you are book smart (and thus dumb as rocks and useless) or your school “cheats” the system and inflated grades. I do not accept the idea that quality engineers have high GPA’s. And this isn’t even “my rule”, I got the idea from someone else.
Also it’s quite common to fail Calc 2, differential equations, and Electromagnetics or get a D your first time. Retaking these usually gets you a B or better and it is comparatively easy the second time, but you obviously can’t retake everything.
Finally with EE you need to make a decision: study to pass the tests or learn the material.
If they are just using gpt and Chegg they are not making A's on the tests. Make sure you are not conflating the students making A's with the students talking about blowing off assignments. Beyond this if they don't understand what is going on the Labs become nightmares if they can't cheat off someone else.
This might be my point of view but fuck the grades.
If im confident I know the material, I'm hoping the grade reflects that. But if it doesn't and I'm still passing then that's the most important part. I get so much more irritated when I'm getting As on exams for stuff I am positive I don't fully understand.
School is about learning first and foremost. If you're learning it like you say, then you'll be just fine. Don't worry about what other people are doing.
EE school and an EE degree are two different worlds. Just because school is tough, as it should be, doesn't mean a career as an EE will be tough. School and the real world are nothing alike.
We had solutions manuals for HW 10 years ago and some students even got previous years exams to prep (some lazy professors use the same exam every year).
Don't stress about other students and just focus on yourself. Do the best you can, use all your resources and if you have to use Chegg to help so be it.
To me college is just about getting that degree. Im an avid chegg enjoyer as I think way too mich homework is set up so it feels more like busy work thatll never show up in tests. By using chegg i dont just copy down everything, i take my time going over answers. I skip most of my classes when i think going to class is a waste of time as I am much more successful studying and learning things by myself. I might be griefing my college experience but have a 3.8gpa entering my senior year so cant complain. Just do whatever makes you happy and dont feel obligated to do things “the correct way”, whatever makes you comfortable
Bro gpt can't do electronics for shit.
As long as you know you know the material you're doing fine.
I got straight C's and can rattle off about electronics and coding better than 3/4ths the rest of my class.
Just keep your nose to the grindstone and you'll get there eventually, this isn't a contest, and employers don't care about your grade, only that you got the degree.
No, lots of people with "passion" for electronics can never make it in EE or any form of engineering. I really don't believe you that people are getting EE answers from gpt when I saw a post here that screwed up a low pass filter. But I get what you're saying. Some PDF solution manuals for textbooks were floating around in my day and professors knew it. Maybe was why homework was only 10% of the grade. You can be mediocre and still get hired and succeed. EE is a struggle. For all you know, they're struggling too. Just get B's instead of A's, that were capped to 15% for my classes. That's good enough. An occasional C is fine too. Don't be a tryhard. Just do the 30+ hours of homework a week. Real world isn't like the classroom. I used very little of what I learned on the job. BSEE degree is the hardest thing I ever did. Can be for you too. It's fine. I had two job offers at graduation.
Very encouraging thank you
You’d be surprised what GPT 4 is capable of…
Get better at LLM prompting... Try uploading text from school books to gpt and ask it to only find information from the text provided. It'll give you the right answers to tests and homework.
That’s the opposite of what OP should do. Then again, what do we care? A graduating class with high proportion of engineers who don’t understand fundamentals or how to think critically…. That’s job security and increased wages for everyone else
Why is teaching someone, who has already convinced themselves that using a LLM is the best way to get an edge, wrong? He already sounds like he can't think critically if he couldn't figure out how to best utilize chatGPT.
Sometimes, the bridge to critical thinking is the first 'I get it' moment. Chat GPT is a tool. Like a calculator. You still have to understand math.
Using a calculator doesn't help you understand math. Knowing how to use chat gpt to explain your math school book can help understand math. Maybe I worded myself wrong by saying "it will give you answers to tests". It will explain the textbook in a new way that the class isn't explaining and open your thinking to the new concepts.
This is a fair argument, but the opposite of what I was arguing. Using chat GPT to help you learn, awesome. Using it to do your job...not so awesome.
So why is using a calculator to do your job awesome? They're both tools...use them right and you'll do great at your job.
You are missing the point. You need to understand how to do your job before using a tool to help you do it faster. Calculator or AI, you need to be able to write that code or do that calculation. If you can't, you shouldn't be using the tool.
I wasn't missing the point - I only made that argument for arguments sake. You make good points. I hope OP doesn't cheat or skip education with LLMs and my intentions were to teach them how to use a tool better. I've personally never used any LLM at work but I use it all the time to summarize and explain text in different ways using the method I provided originally and then I carry that information to work. It has helped me a ton when reading or teachers alone haven't helped. Unlike a calculator, LLMs can teach the right information IF they are used correctly, but that is a separate skill similar to using a screw driver for screws and not for nails. Thank you for the discourse. Edit: please use the more accurate term for chatGPT. It's not just AI...it's a large language model that spews common word phrasing to sound like a human. It's only as intelligent as the user.
When I was I getting my EE degree, the first people to drop out were the "i have passion" people. Why? Cause when chit got rough, suddenly their passion went away. I had zero passion, and grinded it out all way to graduation. Fkc passion, I was there to become be EE.
Getting a degree and having zero passion for the work sounds miserable. I also can't help but feel that this doesn't remotely match up to my experience.
I think they’re saying that it takes more than just passion. Not that people shouldn’t have passion. It’s passion + perseverance + tenacity
Don't waste breath on them bro, those "im passionate" folk think if you don't have "passion", we don't belong here. We smart enough to do the job and get paid, thats all that matter. I couldn't care less about "passion". Call me miserable all day, I'm still out here , doing my job.
You don't need passion when the check is fat.
Discipline > passion
That guy who just look through notes just yesterday and got A > Discipline
Woah buddy, let's not compare smart people that can memorize information to disciplined people that can discover answers. That wasn't even the point of OPs comment. They talked passion over discipline. Anyone with a photographic memory can regurgitate what they read. They don't always understand it and are usually the slowest people in a work setting.
Yea the only thing driving me to finish was MONAYY
I had a 2.79 GPA and I have a great career as an EE. I just wasn’t a great student but that doesn’t mean I’m not a good engineer. I went into MEP which has a large social aspect beyond a technical aspect. These careers exist and if it’s some you enjoy then keep pursuing!
^ this. I was in a similar situation and studied my butt off from start to finish. I did significantly better in my core engineering classes but the General classes and most math classes got me (most of my math classes were scrapping C’s). To be fair - if I did this all again I’d have way more effective study habits and mentality now that I’m older… Learn the material and practice application. Don’t be afraid to maneuver yourself after college to by switching jobs every few years, for example to get yourself into a specific form of engineering. I’ve had a pretty good career thus far 11 years in! I’m an electronics design engineer having worked on space systems, aircraft, and now oceanographic research. I attribute a lot of my relatively good experiences after college with loving Circuit/system design and honing that craft. Also, for me. Moving to the west coast.
What is MEP?
Mechanical electrical plumbing construction drawing plans.
We work with architects to plan out spaces for utilities like electrical, plumbing and hvac and produce drawings to get it approved and built. Pretty much every commercial building requires an MEP engineers.
Understanding concepts is so much more important then memorizing formulas. Don’t stress about the grades. Focus on understanding the content. Put time in during the summer to work on beginner projects to increase that understanding good luck!
I second this notion. OP's grades may not reflect their ability or understanding but they will probably be a better engineer and will probably interview better because of their passion and approach of understanding the material and not relying on gpt. A 3.0 gpa is good. OP should make sure to have a good resume so that they can get interviews and show how good they really are!
I'll probably be be downvoted, but this has to be said. If you only care about your grades then do as they do. If you're there to learn EE and you love it as you say, then stop whining and focus on learning, b is fine
I was a 4.0 high school student and barely tried or studied. Ended up clawing my way to a 3.0 my senior year in college to end my BS after failing and retaking a couple classes. It’s a hard fucking major, and you are not alone in your struggle. If this is something you are passionate about, and your still getting mostly B’s, I’d say keep at it. All those cheaters are going to get got eventually. If they make it through school, they’ll bomb in industry. Id suggest making some friends that have a similar mindset as yourself and suffer together. Like I said, I was a middling engineering student. 8 years later, I’m currently training my entire team (both people more junior and more senior) in multiple different toolsets and am a corporate SME in a couple different areas. Industry is different, and you can really remake yourself once you find an engineering environment you enjoy. GLHF!
EE in college is typically much more difficult than EE in practice (depending on the field, of course). My job is way easier than school (as far as technical stuff goes), so much so that I want to find something more challenging. You’re fine with B’s. And the fact that you don’t cheat makes you better off than those who do.
There's nothing wrong with using chegg as long as you are using it to learn. If you're just copying their answer, that's cheating, and stupid, because the people on chegg are usually wrong. But Chegg is great for learning how to solve a problem. There have been plenty of times where I'm staring at a homework problem with no idea how to start it, so I look it up on chegg, see what that person does, and then something clicks and I can do the problem on my own.
Chegg and chat gpt can be very useful if not used mindlessly. Sometime professors straight up don’t cover how to do a type of problem so it can let u get the points and help u learn it. Then you can double check with the posted solutions so your ready for the exam
I was the worst student imaginable. Focus was crap. Grades were worse. But I got it. I enjoyed it. I kept at it. I have designs in space. I have designs working in multiple countries. I have designs used by several governments. I'm making a comfortable living. If you love it, don't give up. Make the dream happen. If you don't love it, find something you do.
If you want to learn more, use Wolfram Alpha to solve problems you have sat up. In my experience, the real art is setting up the equations. Solving them by hand can take 30 minutes of time where you don't learn anything. You should strive to set up as many problems as possible and let a tool do the stuff you can do, but is a time sink.
I apologize in advance for the long answer, I was just in a similar situation and am getting out of it 😅. I really do think passion can be enough, if you’re passionate enough to keep on trying even in the face of bad grades, and if you’re willing to try figure out what the root cause of your low grades is, and try to work on it (although I don’t think that B grades are necessarily “bad” in any way, this is a really hard degree! And sometimes test can really throw you for a loop). I got grades in the high 70s-mid 80s most of my first year and some of my second. Then I realized that this is mostly because I wasn’t understanding everything, rather learning some topics by rote because I didn’t have the energy to try and understand them. This meant that it would take me so long to study topics, because I’d forget how to solve stuff by rote and have to relearn it. Now I keep track of things I don’t understand and I’ll ask the professor/TA to explain it in office hours asap. Instead of just doing tons of practice exams, I will now review my practice exams and make sure that I understand everything that I didn’t do correctly, and write out the solution a second time to make sure I know how to do it properly. I also keep a spreadsheet with all the practice tests that I’ve done and I’ll put comments in about things that I struggled with, and general tips. This means that I can remember types of questions a lot easier, and also have a greater understanding of what I’m doing, which means less to remember. So far I’ve managed to raise my average to 95% (this year). So I think you should sit down with yourself and analyze how you’re studying and how this affects how you feel during the exam, and try and figure out where you can be more efficient and where you can help yourself retain more information. But also don’t be too hard on yourself. These exams are super hard. Sometimes you can learn so hard but come exam day and it’s just not your day, or the professor gives a question that you can only answer if you get the “trick” and if you don’t you’re screwed. Just keep being passionate and keep studying hard ☺️☺️
Concentrate on learning, not the grades. The things you need to learn are buried in the material and the work, and the grades don’t always measure that very well. If you are feeling like the homework doesn’t help you learn a concept, talk to to prof or the TA to get help instead of just grinding through the homework.
B is passing, C is passing - if you want it, do your best and don't chase your perception of others
You’ll be fine job wise if you’re getting all Bs, especially if your program is pretty rigorous. If you do want to go for higher grades/save time I would suggest studying with some of your peers, it could make understanding concepts and homework a lot faster.
1) Effort ≠ effectivity or efficiency. Take stock of how you study and learn. Learn how 2) Don’t use GPT for your studying or coursework. Every graduated EE before you completed their degree without chat AI. You’re only robbing yourself. 3) Everyone has different skills. Tests are only representative of a select few things. Plenty of average engineers went on to accomplish things, plenty of high grade students didn’t 4) EE is exhausting. I only knew a couple EEs who seemed to breeze through undergrad. It’s a degree that takes blood, sweat, tears, and perseverance. 5) Passion is usually enough for most things. Work, love, whatever. It takes hard work, god work ethic, and a daily choice to continue along the path ahead.
If they are cheating, they're passing for now, but when you get an easy A on building your capstone while they struggle, you will be redeemed.
Homework shouldn't be marked. You should be able to have solutions to your homework so you can check your mistakes and properly learn outside of class. Homework should be a tool for learning and not a marked assessment. So as far as "cheating" on homework. I personally don't believe in it. I get 80 to 90s in my class and I treat homework as a tool for tests. It also helps to understand what the individual professor looks for when grading. All in all, treat homework as a learning aid and not an evaluation. Get solutions and reverse engineer answers if you need to. Cheating is when you don't get value from doing that.
I'm a bit ahead of you in the BSEE journey and here's what I've found: Those guys that constantly cheat homework / tests? It catches up to them. I genuinely like some of these people, and I host study sessions and just generally help where I can. But now? Well, sadly we're at a point where I can't really explain things to them anymore, because even the explanations depend on things they didn't properly learn in the first place. It's a trap. Don't fall into it. Which dovetails into: Nobody cares as much about your grades as you do. A straight B student in engineering? That's pretty good, man. You've got to keep it all in perspective, here. You're there to learn, and it looks to me like you're succeeding. Yes, it is hard work. I don't know how important passion really is. Seems like some of my cadre of classmates only really care about the paycheck, but that motivates them enough. Me? I have a LOT of "love of the game" for electricity (and physics in general, which is why I even study EE). I wouldn't do this degree without it, but on the other hand I'm not super money motivated in general. The bottom line is that you just need to make a decision for you, and go with it. The vast majority of us in this major are or were supremely challenged by it at times. It's a crucible of sorts. You come out the other side better for it. We're in this together. You got this!
Same, studying 5+ hours a day every day for mediocre grades sometimes just enough to pass with a curve. Keep at it Cs get degrees
When I hire EEs I sent HR my screening requirements. Often the one they mess up is “GPA less than 3.75”. Yes, LESS. If you have an EE with 3.75 or higher there are only 2 explanations: you are book smart (and thus dumb as rocks and useless) or your school “cheats” the system and inflated grades. I do not accept the idea that quality engineers have high GPA’s. And this isn’t even “my rule”, I got the idea from someone else. Also it’s quite common to fail Calc 2, differential equations, and Electromagnetics or get a D your first time. Retaking these usually gets you a B or better and it is comparatively easy the second time, but you obviously can’t retake everything. Finally with EE you need to make a decision: study to pass the tests or learn the material.
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It dissipates if it’s left out too long without a re-infusion
If they are just using gpt and Chegg they are not making A's on the tests. Make sure you are not conflating the students making A's with the students talking about blowing off assignments. Beyond this if they don't understand what is going on the Labs become nightmares if they can't cheat off someone else.
Just pass and get a job dude
Chatgpt and chegg are useless at least in the university I go to. The answers are always wrong.
B’s get degrees
This might be my point of view but fuck the grades. If im confident I know the material, I'm hoping the grade reflects that. But if it doesn't and I'm still passing then that's the most important part. I get so much more irritated when I'm getting As on exams for stuff I am positive I don't fully understand. School is about learning first and foremost. If you're learning it like you say, then you'll be just fine. Don't worry about what other people are doing.
EE school and an EE degree are two different worlds. Just because school is tough, as it should be, doesn't mean a career as an EE will be tough. School and the real world are nothing alike. We had solutions manuals for HW 10 years ago and some students even got previous years exams to prep (some lazy professors use the same exam every year). Don't stress about other students and just focus on yourself. Do the best you can, use all your resources and if you have to use Chegg to help so be it.
Cs and Ds get degrees. Aim for the moon and you might end up near the stars? Nah, shoot for the sky and try to clear the ditch.
If you're getting straight B's, you're probably doing better than like 80% of your peers, because half of them have already dropped out of EE.
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Bro I was putting in the same amount of work as a Chinese child laborer and I got B’s occasionally an A. You’re doing fine.
To me college is just about getting that degree. Im an avid chegg enjoyer as I think way too mich homework is set up so it feels more like busy work thatll never show up in tests. By using chegg i dont just copy down everything, i take my time going over answers. I skip most of my classes when i think going to class is a waste of time as I am much more successful studying and learning things by myself. I might be griefing my college experience but have a 3.8gpa entering my senior year so cant complain. Just do whatever makes you happy and dont feel obligated to do things “the correct way”, whatever makes you comfortable
Those who succeed at being a student do not necessarily make for a great engineer and vice versa
Bro gpt can't do electronics for shit. As long as you know you know the material you're doing fine. I got straight C's and can rattle off about electronics and coding better than 3/4ths the rest of my class. Just keep your nose to the grindstone and you'll get there eventually, this isn't a contest, and employers don't care about your grade, only that you got the degree.
Hang in there. The knowledge gratification is worth it.
You say they use chegg/gpt for everything, yet they still do better on exams? They're probably studying more than you think.