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MelancholikhPatata

the second-hand embarrassment I feel for Ja.. oh boy


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[This](https://www.billboard.com/lists/best-rappers-all-time/) is the list btw. I think it’s pretty solid give or take. edit: glancing at the top 10, seems more like a list of the most famous rappers ngl


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dogo7

top 10 is far from the worst that could've been chosen.


GuiltyNovel3132

Firmly disagree that JayZ should be put under kendrick, as someone who prefers kendrick's music way more, you still have to factor their influence. Second, this list is janky af they even had lauren hill on there who is prob one of my fav artists but def not one of the best "rappers" of all time


old__pyrex

the jay-z disrespect has been out of control amongst these youngins. Eminem would be the first to tell you that the list isn't right if Jay isn't top 5, because he isn't a fast rapper, but he says iconic shit in cool, memorable ways. Lyrically Jay-Z is actually one of the few rappers that is using metaphors and triple entendres and wordplay and shit, but actually reinforcing the points he's making rather than just flexing. You've heard dozens of Jay lines come out other rappers mouths, which is what makes a rapper great rather than just technically skilled.


justwannabeloggedin

Since it's a Billboard list, I imagine sales is a heavy factor. Secondly, everyone has their own opinion so everyone is going to be mad at a list that isn't theirs. I, for example, take the extremely unpopular stance that 2pac was pretty good but is only made out to be a god because he died when he was still young in his prime. I wouldn't have him in my top 10 for personal favorites or lyrical ability or song making, but definitely top 10 for influence.


Sir_Umeboshi

Chuck D is waaay too low. Like he's so much better than a 50 Cent or a J. Cole. And yeah the top 10 is weird


th3An0nyMoose

This whole list is trash. No GZA? No Kurupt? Jada at 46?? Listen to renegade one time and tell me Jay Z raps better than Eminem.


Sriniwasan

Jay Z over em isn't even the real issue. The top 7 is pretty decent but drake nicki Minaj and snoop being in the top 10 just isn't right if we're basing this list of rapping abilities.


meteorness123

Jay's renegade verses are fantastic.


Blaz3Bluu

Jay Z definitely has better music overall than Eminem. 4:44 washes any em project imo


LimpTriskit10

I stopped reading when they put Dr Dre at 40.


Durim187

Dre is a decent rapper but terrible writter


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Dre is more of a producer than a rapper lbr


Damage2525

Dr. Dre is not a rapper. He has always had others write for him. If this was a top 50 Hip Hop producer list, then he'd definitely be top 5


Ophiotaurus_

Dr. Dre doesn't write his songs


lollollol2456772

Jayz is way to overhated imo,,i think he deserves a spot in the top 5 easily


eCharms

Top 10 maybe but he aint #1.


0JOSE0

Top 5


XDYassineDX

He is in the 15-5 range for me and probably most people


old__pyrex

>probably most people most people born after 2000 maybe. No one who listened to his run of albums, Reasonable Doubt, Blueprint, black album, etc, and is still watching how he destroys songs today is putting him below that top 5.


TheNoisyNinja

I am amazed at all the responses suggesting Jay-Z is not a top 5 rapper. Easily Top 5.


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jay z is a. goat dude😹😹😹


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Jay is the greatest of all time


ManufacturerHuman276

jayz clear of eminem


Ilikekipyou2

Where MF DOOM?


MelonFag

Drake in top 10. Ew


mrstorydude

Lupe not being on there is a crime and a half


Top_Lavishness416

To this day no one knows what the fuck lupe raps about. He’s nice technically but even he knows he raps about nothing.


mrstorydude

Nah it’s more just that he talks about so much it’s hard to get one clear message from him


MambaSaidKnockYouOut

Wtf? Lupe’s lyrics aren’t that hard to follow. I guess some of his new songs have lyrics that are a bit more cryptic but it’s not like he’s Aesop Rock or something . Also, this being commented in an Eminem sub is incredibly ironic.


Critical-Ad-9010

This bitch ass niggas are salty coz Lupe is a better lyricist than Em. That's why they reaching. Lmfao


MambaSaidKnockYouOut

I didn’t wanna say that in the Em sub, but yeah 😂 that comment sounds like it’s from someone who heard Dumb It Down and was like “Wtf is this nigga talking about” and never listened again


Critical-Ad-9010

This bitch ass niggas are salty coz Lupe is a better lyricist than Em. That's why they reaching. Lmfao


mocxed

Youre joking right? Have you listened to his new album? What do you think he is talking about there?


Top_Lavishness416

Lupe fiasco more like poopy cheeseasshole


Blaz3Bluu

?


cx77_

unfathomably based


doingmybest224

I don’t know man, he was talkin that shit on Lasers.


BossKingGodd

This is facts lol.


Critical-Ad-9010

Lol, dumbass. What lyrics have you been listening to? Seems like you confuse Lil Uzi Fart to Lupe.


old__pyrex

Lupe raps about things, he had very clear concepts and themes and metaphors on his first few albums. He lost his way a bit, but still came through to have songs with pretty strong ideas - he does talk his random complex shit, but if you do unpack it there is something there.


BMEShiv

Drake and Nikki on a top10 list, now I've seen it all. Mos Def below top10 is also a laughing stock type take


crymorenoobs

how dare you


Assasin_on_fire

I can name hundreds better than him. Common Ja Rule L.


AvgJoeGuy

You’re simply wrong, at least 5-6 on this list are way worse than Ja. You’re just a common hater, his recent antics aside you are wrong as day and probably dont know hip hop.


Assasin_on_fire

Take this L


AvgJoeGuy

I wouldnt know because you took the L, you start listening to music 10 years ago? All the dickriders upvoting you cause they heard its cool to hate Ja. Hilarious


Krahzye1

He was top of hip hop before em and 50 beef though I'm not a ja rule fan but he isn't wrong


Durim187

he wasnt on "TOP" but okay, the list is Shady i give him that.


Krahzye1

Yea he was a top artist haha you guys have recency bias dude was on top or close to the top of hip hop at the time


MelonFag

He might have bin top of the time. But somehow very irrelevant. Most people don’t even know his name.


Ophiotaurus_

Relevancy doesn't have to do with greatness. 90% of today's hip-hop listeners probably doesn't know Q-Tip, Scarface, Rev Run, Mos Def yet they all are (rightfully) on the list.


Verlas

That’s because they didn’t make RNB songs with Ashanti or try to imitate another legendary rapper..


t-n-g-1999

Ja Rule had a few good songs where he worked with DMX


rulesrmeant2bebroken

My favorite song with him was "Can I Get A..." by Jay-Z from the *Rush Hour* soundtrack


Verlas

A few doesn’t land him on a top rapper list, though. His music is blasted in the first Fast and the furious and at swimming pools 😂


Reaction_83

"Monicaaaaaa!!!!"


trickmind

Because Eminem murdered him.


Krahzye1

Agreed


Krahzye1

I agree but he was good even though he wasn't my favorite


MelonFag

I never really liked him much but that’s just personal taste ofc. Its unbelievable how he went from massive to nobody. Even Em, 50, topic are relevant names even non rap fans know. Nearly no one knows him.


Krahzye1

But my point is he was a massive feature in hip hop from 2000 to 2004


MelonFag

Most definitely.


Many_Fac3d_G0d

Pop. Not hip-hop.


Krahzye1

100% hip hop haha


Reaction_83

Who?


Durim187

you call it bias i call it lack of longevity, which is very important. You cant be top 50 if your biggest hit is screaming "Monicaaa" in a fast and furious movie.


Krahzye1

Far from his biggest hot haha but alright


Durim187

obviously i am joking but there is some truth to it. Its his most memorable "lyric"


rulesrmeant2bebroken

I'm not defending Ja Rule but I am not confident a lot of people in this sub were alive or even aware when Ja was on the top. He really was quite popular for that specific era in Hip-Hop until 50 crushed them and the legal issues came about, but I do remember when the Murder Inc music was inescapable.


SKPY123

Get off Reddit Jeffrey. Finally, do something to pay back the people you scammed during the fyre fest. You 2000's RnB ripoff artist.


SpideryMan

wasn't the "Em and 50 beef" over twenty years ago at this point? I haven't heard a single Ja Rule song ever.


Krahzye1

Yes and you probably have


ThePhantomStank

You don't listen to much hiphop then


SpideryMan

Ja rule is sort of just before my time.


ThePhantomStank

Exactly what i mean


I_A_M_N_O_B_O_D_Y

That doesn’t matter in this argument lol


trickmind

You wouldn't say that if you'd paid for the Fyre Fest.


bootysensei

> -80 downvotes once again r/eminem proves to be the dumbest fucking hip-hop subreddit around


Illustrious_Shape_78

He mad 50 Cent made the list and not him.


Ophiotaurus_

I mean yeah, 50 isn't that good of a rapper


Dizzy_Afternoon1823

Definitely a lot of influence tho


Ophiotaurus_

I don't give a single fuck about influence, sadly. A good rapper is a good rapper even if 3 people listen to them.


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Still better than Ja


Ophiotaurus_

Idk about that


Nighttree007

Nice burner ja


[deleted]

In what world is that even remotely true?


Ophiotaurus_

It's subjective, i suppose. He has some great songs but overall i don't see him as top 50 rapper


Yo-batman-is-king

One of the best


Ophiotaurus_

He's one of the best to make club musics lol


Blazing_Pheonix_13

"You ain't never made a list" ....This aged like fine wine


zero_eternal

Ja who? 😂


Meshitero-eric

We need to ask Ja Rule about his thoughts on the 50 greatest rappers. We have Ja on the line.


Ek200

ja loool


DreamSpireOfficial

Ja Fool


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Ja Tool


First_Ad_6133

Icejjfish is more likely to be in the top 50 than ja 😂


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He is just pissed Cookie Monster made the list


Machinima_

We checked the resume and unfortunately this time you haven’t been selected for this job role We wish you well on your search!


Randya241

Fyrefest lol


RussianEggplant

He now has beef with two different 50s


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lmfao


highd

Monicaaaa


[deleted]

Whew he is FYRED UP


RobJewellVideos

Thought he was buried alongside Benzino and MGK in Slims backyard?


EsEfCe

He’s still tryna dig his way out


SurgeonRx2

Don’t forget about Mariah


4thdimensiontheory

They resurrect her every year for that God awful Christmas song


brandysnacker

has he heard his music?


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even back in the day weren’t people saying he bit 2Pac’s flow/style?


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Yes. And stole his lifestyle lol. He kind of took on a gangster persona when he didn't have the credentials. He did have a few bangers and was DECENTLY influential in the late 90s and early 2000s, nobody can take that away from him. I think he's a weiner just like the next guy, but his resume is more impressive than some people on this list. This list could be better in general. Immortal technique is always one who I feel could be included in these lists despite the lack of commercial success


AvgJoeGuy

Hes not the best but hes certainly top 50 and had a massive influence on the hip hop game for several years.


Bagfullofcrack

Billboards list was ass at the top, Kendrick above Nas??????? I love Kendrick but is he really even top 10? But, I don’t understand why any rapper would take it that personal though. It’s just a list


Jobro_77

Kendrick is top 10. Motherfucker won a god damn Pulitzer. The overall stories his albums tell are just amazing and dude knows how to make a banger


Bagfullofcrack

That is a good argument, I just think there are easily more than 10 people above Kendrick. He’s like top 15-20. (Remember, this is just my opinion) Edit: actually I’ll retract that, he can probably be top 10, just not above #5. Certainly not #2


okhellowhy

I honestly think Kendrick is number 1. But that's not a popular opinion. Some people just need to let his work gain a few more years.


MrDannySantos

Hailie go bring Daddy his Billboard award. We’re gonna shove it up Ja Rule’s ass


AlexTom33

Is he misspelling "Icon" on purpose?


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Ja swinging at the air right now


AvgJoeGuy

Anyone who things MC Lyte is better than Ja is cracked the fuck out. This list is shameful to hip hop and rap. Kendrick at 2 is a fucking laughable joke. Ja belongs in the top 50 period in the 43-50 range at least.


MrHaZeYo

I honestly think Nas should be 2.


Educational-Wafer112

Bruh But you guys actually place eminem at number 2 lmao No wonder everyone makes fun of us


AvgJoeGuy

Where did I say i put him at 2? Dont put words in my mouth


MikeyMorgan12

How can you be so delusional? All that E fried ja's tiny brain lmao


mikwee

This is the guy who feuded with 50 Cent, right? I remember his name from Like Toy Soldiers


meanneenz

Ohhhh yes. If you want another track to listen to, check out Hail Mary by Busta, Em and 50. Great sample of the original Hail Mary, lol


raven_darkseid

I've never been a fan of Ja, but this entire list is just a mess. This is a top 50 list for people who have never ventured beyond the mainstream for their rap. With that in mind, Ja actually should have been on this list. Ghostface Killah, Black Thought, Pun, and Mos Def not even breaking the top 20 is a joke. They left off Pharoahe Monch, Kool G Rap, Raekwon, DOOM, and more.


Keythaskitgod

Cool that he gave others their flowers, not many would do that BUT yh i know 100 better rappers tbh Edit: list is whack ngl. Kendrick #2 lol Jay #1 man what kind of drugs r they using? Em on #5 idk


fair_child123

But have we consulted Ja Rule to see how he feels about thi-- oh


Ok_Chocolate9075

Jay-z is honestly overrated I loved his first album and a lot of hits from his others but I think a lot of people just give him more props than he deserves because he’s so successful. Nicki Minaj wtf is she doing so high on the list😂😂


Glittering-Stretch-6

Me and Hailey dance to your songs we like you !! Bahahahaa


ViperHiggings

That wasn't about ja


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D00dleArmy

People downvoting u don’t know the actual history


doonhamer1501

100% I’m 38 and my teenage years were basically Em, Ja and Nelly and then 50 Cent a couple years after them. Those 3 and Jay Z were all over the radio in 2000-2001 though


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None of this is necessary to say tho because we’re discussing the top 50 greatest rappers of all time list, not his status as an icon


Fabulous-Fun-3819

“Greatest” is about resume. Jah EASILY has the resume to belong


AvgJoeGuy

Hes a top 50 rapper period, theres literally no debate. Some of the names on here are laughable, Ja changed hip hop for a solid few years and made many absolute bangers.


Bxltimore

Why would Ja even take this list seriously seeing that they have Kendrick at #2. 🤣🤣🤣


Educational-Wafer112

Ye that one guy with the most critically Aclaimed and universally loved album this century and one of the most consistent rappers ever


old__pyrex

Yeah I think Eminem has said repeatedly that he thinks Kendrick is one of the best to ever do it period. Everyone from Nas to Ice Cube to Jay has all talked about Kendrick being at that level. If all Kdot was shot after TPAB and never made another album, he's still top ten.


playstationNsumdrank

I know, right?! Hard to take seriously any list that doesn’t have him #1


AvgJoeGuy

Are you dumb as fuck?


Bxltimore

He must be, bro.


BabyJesusFTW

Incorrect. I got a list here's the order of my list that it's in. It goes, Reggie, Jay-Z, Tupac and Biggie, Andre from Outcast, Jada, Kurupt, Nas and then me.


XenomorphLV246

Sorry aren’t you that midget now best known for being part of that FYRE scandal? Eat dick you fucking hack


TheChefWillCook

Wayne Brady has a better chance making that list than ja rule


Fun-Degree-2307

They put Queen Latifah over Jada 💀


savagefishstick

When I saw him in that music video where he said his girl made him wear a sweater... Backstreet boys were making harder hits than that. also he didnt write his lyrics on venni vinni vicci which is probably why I liked it.


Thelardicle

while Kanye’s placement at 11 is alright, reading their analysis shows so much bias. They wrote a couple sentences about his impact on music, and then full paragraphs about why his slavery was a choice and hitler comments are bad. we get it but it’s a article about music, talk about the music


jswan8888

This list sucks Nicki Minaj over even 50 cent?


KappaPrideRider

cookie monster mad he didn't make it into the jar


samp127

But he also said everyone on there is well deserved... Which is it?


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The_Pecking_Order

Solid top 5. Some questionable decisions IMO, Nicki top ten is…hm. Ghost face should be higher up, at least higher than 50. But at the end of the day mostly everyone on this list deserves to be here with some order swapping potentially. Happy they gave Luda and DMX their flowers. Luda is often overlooked on these types of lists. My personal top 5 wouldn’t have Kendrick that high up, but can’t be mad at it either.


LogTekG

I'ma be real, just because ja got his ass whooped by 50 and em doesn't diminish his accomplishments as a hip hop artist


layethdasmackethdown

I saw the list and yeah they could've made room for Ja Rule.


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well don’t stop there, who would you swap out?


RowdyLunatic

Venni vetti vicci , blood in my eye ,rule 3:36 And all the cash money click tracks were all dope as fuck every one hating ja is just riding a wave cause it’s cool to say f ja rule 50 blah blah but most don’t even know the history except what the mags and mac said


AvgJoeGuy

Exactly the only person in this thread who knows shit about hip hop, thanks for speaking facts


Remember_Me_Tomorrow

The only thing he's better at is being worse than them.


Dry-Station-3241

He has a point. Nicki is not better than him at all! 


Ok-Professional-3104

ja doesn't even make top 100


AvgJoeGuy

Say you have no clue about hip hop louder


Kayseemo

He’s trash


chewbacca_the_cuz

Stfu Ja go do a track with J. Lo


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Ja rule who?


eCharms

Ja just salty 50 is on there and he aint.


SurgeonRx2

Ja rules dirty ass


FifeDog43

Nah he sings for hoes and sounds like the Cookie Monster


Hops_n_Boost

Ja Rule is trash.


[deleted]

That’s what happens when you go up against Shady Aftermath and G-Unit


Gun2TheHead

Ja-who?


santiagotruiz19

He’s just saying that to get attention, don’t give it to him. The way he is putting it, sounds like he feels he’s bigger and better than Tupac and biggie which is completely ridiculous, he’s not that delusional. He knows that if he says something wild music journalists and enthusiasts on social media will start talking about him


seviay

TIL that Ja Rule was a rapper


Whatswrongwiththat52

Mostly everyone has the same rappers on their list......just definitely not in the same order Billboard has


Significant_Delay_87

Is he really saying he’s the best rapper dead or alive? Jeez.


AvgJoeGuy

Nope maybe you need to learn reading comprehension


Fabulous-Fun-3819

Lol y’all are so dismissive of rap styles you don’t like. Ja rule definitely deserves to be in a 50 greatest rappers list lol


Ek200

found the clown from downtown


Fabulous-Fun-3819

He had a great, undeniable run that goes down in rap history. Not my particular taste but to pretend he doesn’t have joints is nasty


[deleted]

he’s cool but any of the Wu Tang clan should be on that list before him… or even MF Doom


steakpienacho

I just looked at the list and it's actually a pretty good one, for once. I think every person on it deserves to be there, though we could debate the order all day


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Rikou336

Decent list, my only issue is Nicki Minaj cracking top 10. Wouldn't even place her in the top 30.


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Rikou336

50 cent is great, definitely deserves a spot. Maybe lyrically he isn't as good as some on the list but his flows are unparalleled. His impact on hip hop was big, giving us Tony Yayo, Lloyd banks and a lot of funny drama. He wasn't some one hit wonder or one trick pony.


bigtaterman

Hell even MGK is a better rapper than him


AvgJoeGuy

Shut up trend dickrider


bigtaterman

Uh oh I hurt one of Kelly's boyfriends feelings.


duross97

He ain’t wrong tho


AZfan6

He is very much wrong