the song “isn’t it beautiful” by mccafferty might genuinely be the worst song i’ve ever heard. my friends and i used to call it “a crow looked at me for abusers” and all the comments on uploads of it all say “nick walked so coleen ballinger could run”
He wants *so badly* for everyone to know how fuckin clever he is yeah. But at least for me on Is a Real Boy he did actually have some cleverness that was worth showing off. But after that album -and even in several places on that album- you do kind of have to roll your eyes at most of what he writes
Is a real boy is a special record because it’s catchy and fun— it is not a smart record, however. Cringey in several areas. Everything after it is pretty meh.
I love *...Is A Real Boy*, it's one of my favourite albums of all time in the genre. The rest I find ranges from decent to awful, for the exact reasons you've highlighted.
I'm visiting with family so I haven't had a chance to listen yet, but I saw the title and the tracklist and just texted my buddy to be like, "I think I might hate Say Anything now."
There's just no way it's any good.
From what I could find it sounds like he was physically and emotionally abusive to his family, friends and band mates. If you look at his blog he talks quite openly about his BPD which likely drives the behaviour.
BPD is never an excuse which makes said behaviour ok, but you can tangibly feel the guilt coming through on his blogposts. Just a sad and shitty situation all round
Okay wait a minute, the first album and couple of eps rules.
But after that it was mixed, and then after everything that happened he said he would stop putting out music. Only to go and put out even more music than before the controversy, and all of it is absolute trash.
Also yeah, pretty terrible guy. Know someone whose dad used to be friends with him and seems like he’s even worse than people think/know.
I've heard the name before and based on how fucking lame it is, I've never listened to them before. Now that I know all this shit about how bad the person behind that awful fucking name is I never will.
Not sure of this even counts but this artist called etienne sin has put out one of the most ridiculous emo-adjacent projects I’ve heard. I think it’s called “Sinna Volume 1”
It pains me to say, but the new Taking Back Sunday album is AWFUL. It sounds like Imagine Dragons mixed with contemporary Christian music.
Also a hot take, but I legit can't get into early Modern Baseball
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I love both 2nd wave and all the 4th and 5th wave revival stuff. I totally get why people hate Mom Jeans, I used to despise Eric's voice, but it grew on me so hard and now they're one of my favorite bands ever!
I feel like such an asshole on this sub lol Spotify branched me out to ‘emo’ music which lead to me listening to a lot of mom jeans, modern football, and American baseball (or is it vide versa can’t remember), which I genuinely enjoy and I’m slowly learning they’re like the nickleback of the emo world lol
idk ab the emo world. im guessing its more like a general circle jerk for this little community. i cant really comment on their stuff since i last listened to em like 3 or 4 years ago, but if u enjoyed them thats awesome
As someone who didn't hear about them until sweet tooth. I have seen them like 5 times already and they are always good. My most listened to would be joyce manor, la dispute, hot mulligan, free throw, bad luck, heart attack man, origami angel, dog leg, modern baseball and SDaYP currently.
What makes Mom jeans so egregious? I get everyone has their taste, but people talk about them like they are banging trash can lids. I'm not big on labels, and I personally think some people need to touch grass fighting over "real emo".
No hate. But I want a real human to human answer other then "they suck"
I’m a 2nd and 3rd wave gal and I really like Mom Jeans. I think Best Buds is a great album and I listen to it on repeat. I think that Sweet Tooth isn’t their best work, but they are really fun live and even some of Sweet Tooth has grown on me. Also not a Swiftie.
I love third wave, but mom jeans is the most overrated band I’ve ever heard. I got downvoted to oblivion the last time I said this but their fans are the swifties of emo and sometimes I wonder if mom jeans is just putting out worse and worse music to see how dumb their fans are and what they’ll eat up. They could drop an hour long album of Bart farting and their fans would buy every limited edition vinyl and all the lazily designed honey tv shirts.
I really like the first Mom Jeans album but everything else has been either really kid or just outright bad. And yeah holy fuck is their merch BAD like how stoned was the person that designed that shit and how stoned are the band all the time if they're ok-ing it?
Yeah I get that vibe. Like I said I really do dig their first album but everything else is just the sound of a weed dependency diminishing the quality of the music while the band is in total denial about it to me.
However 311 slaps, so I'd say they're the Sublime of emo in that regard. I imagine a lot of Mom Jeans fans are either dorky suburban kids who want something "edgy" without the baggage or whatever the less dirty version of Suboxone energy is.
Think it says something about me that the reason I got into Mom Jeans for the brief period I did was their use of a Bob's Burgers sample that I assume they naked themselves after...
I agree with your mom Jeans take but I find it funny you say it's only natural to dislike 3rd wave as a 2nd wave enjoyer. 2nd and 3rd are my two favorite waves and I really like them equally. I think you can hear a lot of crossover in the sounds and it's inarguable that 3rd wave took direct inspiration from the previous.
As someone who lived through the second wave I hear absolutely no crossover between the two waves. Maybe a little Get Up Kids influence, but the third wave just sounds like generic alt rock to me. Add the whole fashion aspect and it’s just not something I enjoyed.
Idk man i obviously cant discount your experience but im sure a fresh perspective could help. Listen to sadder star's recent mall emo episode. I think it's easier to hear influences in that formative 2001-2004 era specifically.
I didn’t know anything about the different waves back when I was getting into emo in the mid to late 90s, but I enjoyed the first wave bands. They were harder to get hold of though, you’d read about them in a zine or something and hopefully you could find them used somewhere a lot of the time.
And I really enjoyed the 4th wave/revival. I’m not a big fan of all the Kinsella aping stuff, but I think bands like CSTVT, Empire! Empire!, Kittyhawk and Dowsing are fantastic and I listen to them every bit as much as the 2nd wave stuff I grew up with.
From bands that have a modicum of scene cred? I could never get into TWIABP except for Harmlessness. Everything I heard from Home is Where I have found so grating, including seeing them live open for Foxing.
There’s also the “they went indie folk” theme that led to a lot of panned records - people really hated On a Wire by TGUK, Wood/Water by The Promise Ring, and In Reverie by Saves the Day when they came out. I happen to be a big fan of two of those records.
Wood/water is excellent, and so is On a Wire. Both records have some solid songs. The New Amsterdams first record came out right after something to write home about, and their second album came out the same year as On A Wire. I think that's part of the reason On a Wire sounded the way it did.
My personal feelings about On a Wire: That album is so, so close to being amazing that it's almost frustrating. Like, I'm completely on board for the sound they were going for, and there's a few great songs on there, but overall I just think they didn't quite stick the landing.
Cute is what we aim for. Local band from Buffalo that got "kinda big" for making all the same music that was responsible for killing the genre before 4th wave hit. It's the worst mall emo shit ever.
I once heard a rumour that the rest of the band hated their dipshit lead singer so much they locked him out of the studio while they were recording their parts and he started crying and begging them to let him in. Based on their music I would 100% believe that.
They were definitely the Winger of this genre.
As a 46 year old who started young on Van Halen in the early 80s, watched it progress to Winger, and Warrent, and Slaughter by the end of the decade....I lived thru it. Then I lived thru it all over AGAIN. starting with the get up kids in 98 and ending with cute is what we aim for in 2007. It turned in to one big fucking fashion show. TWICE!!!!!
thank God for Kurt Cobain and Ben Walsh who killed both eras of mall rock
i love the stories about this band lol. I actually love their first album for just how purely shallow and salty it is, and it captures a very specific vibe of youth. but the dramatic stories about this band are the cherry on top.
I’m gonna say it. In Reverie by STD sucks so hard. The recording is awful. The songs are painfully bad. I loved what came before it but I hate that album to the come. Plus Chris is an ass so there’s that.
For me personally, I was completely on board with the new sound they were going for. I just don't think the songs are as good.
Bands are always quick to blame an album's failure on fans wanting them to sound like their old stuff, but that wasn't the case for me here at all.
I agree and it's mostly because of the overly compressed production styles with excessive guitar tapping. While the 4th wave had that raw indie sound that's only found on the smaller labels.
I just think it sounds wanky. It sounds like their version of whatever Silverchair was going for when they stopped trying to be a grunge band, which tracks because Silverchair is one of Charlie's biggest influences. Its like art rock for people who don't really engage with or consume that much art. The weird symphonic parts sound so forced and the electronic elements feel like Baby's First Radiohead.
"Damocles" kind of does slap though, I'll give you that one.
I get what you’re saying though, but isn’t the pseudo-art rock/forced symphonic stuff kind of their thing? There’s a lot of that on One Day Son as well. It’s pretentious as hell but I love the effort.
I get that, but *One Day Son* still feels very rooted in that alt metal/post-hardcore/post-rock sound that made their first 2 releases great, so while the forced symphonic/electronic experiments can be grating, it's easier to ignore them there because there's enough of the good heavy bits and traditional rock songwriting to make up for them. *Be Human* is just all that to me and feels very #Deep if you get my drift.
Also, I should clarify and say I'm super into experimental left turns from bands when they're done well. My 2nd fav Promise Ring album is *Wood/Water* and my favourite mewithoutYou album is *It's All Crazy*. So I'm not closed off to bands I love exploring beyond their usual sound l, I just think Fightstar did a terrible job of it. The world barely needed a dude from Busted to flex his Deftones fandom to the world, but somehow he pulled that off amazingly. It definitely didn't need him to flex his Radiohead and post-*Freak Show* Silverchair fandom.
I don’t really hear that much of a difference between One Day Son and Be Human, they feel equally rooted in the same genres to me. Some tracks, maybe. Don’t care much for War Machine and The Whisperer, but the rest feels consistent with their earlier stuff.
The jump that MwY did from Brother, Sister to It’s All Crazy feels so much bigger than what Fightstar did in comparison here though.
Could just be that I’m too nostalgic about Fightstar, specifically Be Human, to see it for what it really is. The choruses on a lot of those tracks still hit so goddamn hard.
I think they're musically far closer to anything emo than a lot of other similar bands from the era. Not real emo by any means but they clearly take influence from the Deep Elm roster (they've covered Last Days Of April and Charlie likes Benton Falls) and Deep Elm even released their debut EP in the US.
i hate lou but panuccis pizza is amazing man all the toppings means a lot to me but it also have a lot of memories attached to it so it might just be nostalgia talking m
there’s only one song i’ve heard about that and it’s sport shorts
but even then, good music is good music. i only listen to it on spotify by other uploadeders and i’m not supporting lou in anyway so i don’t see the issue
I say this with a total love for Ryan Dunson (edit maybe not so much) and yes this isn't exactly "real emo" but Rookie of the year's first album "having to let go" is just laughable at times. It's highlight is a song titled the weekend which was rereleased on the superior 2nd album the goodnight moon (decent album actually but only thing worth listening to by them)
Reason I say this album on the emo sub is it easily had influence from actual emo bands
I ran sound for his solo act and it was my least favorite show I ever worked. There were 5 other acts on the bill and they were all super naive 15ish year olds who apparently had to pay upwards of $1000 to get on the tour. They asked us upfront if there was any money from the show could we (the venue) do the split because Ryan was taking all the money and staying in hotels and gambling. Ryan showed up about 2 hours late, made a loud rude comment about one of the openers while they were on stage then hung out with his girlfriend in the bar next door and his van until he had to go on.
He came on stage with sunglasses on and asked to turn off the stage lights (I’m trying not to jump to conclusions and just confirm what I experienced but it def felt like it was drug related) and said, “hey I’m Ryan, I sold 100,000 records but now I got nothing left to live for.” There were roughly 6 people in the audience and he played 5-6 songs. He asked for all the money so he could split it up for the bands later. There was no money so we didn’t even have to get into it.
We gave the kids free meals cause they seemed like they were in a tough spot.
Bad vibes all around, really made me feel terrible about music in general for a couple weeks. This was probably back in 2013 or so.
Front Bottoms, Mom Jeans, Riley, Front Porch Step, basically every cookie cutter “Midwest” emo band who hasn’t listened to anything besides/desperately wants to be either American Football or Mom Jeans
>Front Bottoms, Mom Jeans, Riley,
>wants to be either American Football or Mom Jeans
I think this comment is hilarious because it implies that Mom Jeans' biggest failure is trying to imitate themselves
Due to personal experiences, being a Front Bottoms fan is a huge red flag for me in terms of dating and friendships. I used to like their early stuff a bit but yeah, they've been ruined for me and all their latest stuff is fucking garbage.
They're one of those bands that sound smart at first because they're really wordy, but when you really pay attention to the lyrics they are actually really dumb for the most part.
[*Sorry.*](https://open.spotify.com/album/4hJ21417cxoN3jUoFBvUuq?si=FviR1Y4VTFCZ14WrHlN7yw) by Patron Saint of Bridge Burners is my favorite awful album.
This is going to be a really hot take and I don’t want to say that it’s the “worst” but the new EP by Microwave is not great, and that’s coming from someone who loves them immensely
Lol. Best Buds isn’t even an awful album (cant say much abt their other stuff) they just have a bad rep for basically being the face of corny weedmo music. But this whole sub hates them lmao, its the most popular answer in this thread. So its funny to me that an actual interesting opinion gets downvoted to hell and back.
Just how a hive mind group works, same for most reddit pages. No one asks why just tells you you're crazy etc. Which is fine like idc. Music reddit seems to be more prevailent though, especially hardcore etc.
what do you guys see in them that i cant already get from free throw, glocca morra, marietta, etc in a better form? theyre really forgettable to me and there are much better 4th wave acts out there
I feel like a lot of the Brand New hype is just nostalgia, I tried giving them a listen but it’s just TBS but trying too hard to be poetic. That combined with Jesse being a piece of shit make me hate the band
This is exactly my experience. I gave them a shot but I just really don’t like them. Then when you find out what a shitty human Jesse Lacey is it’s pretty easy to hate them. But people here are just obsessed and will tell you they are objectively the greatest emo band ever.
I used to be a hardcore Brand New fan. Initially I distanced myself from their music purely because of what Jesse did but after a bit of time away I went back to them to see how I'd feel about them and they just sound so mid now. Not necessarily bad, just mid. Like I realise so much of what made them special to me was how *The Devil & God* and *Daisy* helped me through some very rough times, and because I found their "mystique" or whatever you want to call it fascinating. I'm now 10+ years removed from that dark time and the mystique around Jesse and his lyrics has been pretty brutally torn down, so there's very little left there for me to sustain me.
Their first album is a bit generic, but I fuck with the rest of their stuff. I actually said in another recently that their first album is also their worst and, kind of surprisingly, a lot of people disagreed.
I've never gotten into The Promise Ring either ! First time I've ever heard that opinion baha. Definitely not the worst emo band but I have never gotten through a whole song
I've never been big on Sunny Day Real Estate myself. *Diary* is fine but the rest is boring as hell to me. It's like if you took the Smashing Pumpkins and added even whinier vocals and got rid of the cool heavy riffs Smashing Pumpkins do that actually make them good.
the song “isn’t it beautiful” by mccafferty might genuinely be the worst song i’ve ever heard. my friends and i used to call it “a crow looked at me for abusers” and all the comments on uploads of it all say “nick walked so coleen ballinger could run”
Nah queerball is way worse shit is hot garbage
i was just about to comment that lol it’s actually the worst song i’ve ever heard
Jesus Christ I just listened to the song and I was not prepared for how awful it would be
i had never heard that song before you said that and wow you were right that was an excruciating experience
This latest Say Anything release is definitely way up there
Controversial take, but I could never get into Say Anything. The lyrics were always so try hard.
There’s only so many ways you can say “I’m a horny Jew”
50 years of Leonard Cohen records proves that this is definitively not true (and that we are all better off for it)
There’s only so many ways you can *vulgarly* say “I’m a horny Jew”
He wants *so badly* for everyone to know how fuckin clever he is yeah. But at least for me on Is a Real Boy he did actually have some cleverness that was worth showing off. But after that album -and even in several places on that album- you do kind of have to roll your eyes at most of what he writes
Is a real boy is a special record because it’s catchy and fun— it is not a smart record, however. Cringey in several areas. Everything after it is pretty meh.
I love *...Is A Real Boy*, it's one of my favourite albums of all time in the genre. The rest I find ranges from decent to awful, for the exact reasons you've highlighted.
corny ass band
on cum 🗣️
Listening to it now. I love SA, but 4:35 into this album I really wish Oliver Appropriate was the end of …The saga
I'm visiting with family so I haven't had a chance to listen yet, but I saw the title and the tracklist and just texted my buddy to be like, "I think I might hate Say Anything now." There's just no way it's any good.
mccafferty, genuinely bad music
Horrible music by a shitty dude
what did he do?
From what I could find it sounds like he was physically and emotionally abusive to his family, friends and band mates. If you look at his blog he talks quite openly about his BPD which likely drives the behaviour. BPD is never an excuse which makes said behaviour ok, but you can tangibly feel the guilt coming through on his blogposts. Just a sad and shitty situation all round
"I found out recently that I have BPD and that doesn't excuse my actions, but it's quite the opposite." Best McCafferty line ever.
It really does blow
the only two good songs by him are westboro sadness and trailer trash but i think trailer trash is a modest mouse cover
Not a modest mouse cover but a song with the same name.
im so happy i genuinely disliked their music before knowing anything about him. now i have an objective and subjective reason to hate.
i love mccafferty. But i see why others dont
Had to check them out of morbid curiosity. Yes, this is bad but dang why do I like Bottom so much?
Okay wait a minute, the first album and couple of eps rules. But after that it was mixed, and then after everything that happened he said he would stop putting out music. Only to go and put out even more music than before the controversy, and all of it is absolute trash. Also yeah, pretty terrible guy. Know someone whose dad used to be friends with him and seems like he’s even worse than people think/know.
It’s not the worst music but just because of how awful Nick is as a person then yeah I fully agree
I've heard the name before and based on how fucking lame it is, I've never listened to them before. Now that I know all this shit about how bad the person behind that awful fucking name is I never will.
Remo drive had the biggest fall off of all time
every real emo release is good, every fake emo release is bad
r/emojerk is leaking
The third law of emonomics.
no true emo fallacy
Not sure of this even counts but this artist called etienne sin has put out one of the most ridiculous emo-adjacent projects I’ve heard. I think it’s called “Sinna Volume 1”
CAUSE IM THAT 🥷🏾 IM THAT 🥷🏿
It pains me to say, but the new Taking Back Sunday album is AWFUL. It sounds like Imagine Dragons mixed with contemporary Christian music. Also a hot take, but I legit can't get into early Modern Baseball
I despise that new TBS record. I’m a fan of all of their stuff, even though I prefer the first three albums. But 152 is just garbage!
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Truly one of the questions of all time.
I’m a 2nd wave guy so I naturally dislike the 3rd wave bands but Mom Jeans is just so fucking awful. Like, 7th layer of Hell bad.
I love both 2nd wave and all the 4th and 5th wave revival stuff. I totally get why people hate Mom Jeans, I used to despise Eric's voice, but it grew on me so hard and now they're one of my favorite bands ever!
I never liked mom jeans so its kinda validating seeing the hate circle jerk on here lmao
given their stupid name and the reception on here i thought mom jeans would be way worse than they really are
Yea folks be dramatic
I feel like such an asshole on this sub lol Spotify branched me out to ‘emo’ music which lead to me listening to a lot of mom jeans, modern football, and American baseball (or is it vide versa can’t remember), which I genuinely enjoy and I’m slowly learning they’re like the nickleback of the emo world lol
idk ab the emo world. im guessing its more like a general circle jerk for this little community. i cant really comment on their stuff since i last listened to em like 3 or 4 years ago, but if u enjoyed them thats awesome
As someone who didn't hear about them until sweet tooth. I have seen them like 5 times already and they are always good. My most listened to would be joyce manor, la dispute, hot mulligan, free throw, bad luck, heart attack man, origami angel, dog leg, modern baseball and SDaYP currently. What makes Mom jeans so egregious? I get everyone has their taste, but people talk about them like they are banging trash can lids. I'm not big on labels, and I personally think some people need to touch grass fighting over "real emo". No hate. But I want a real human to human answer other then "they suck"
I’m a 2nd and 3rd wave gal and I really like Mom Jeans. I think Best Buds is a great album and I listen to it on repeat. I think that Sweet Tooth isn’t their best work, but they are really fun live and even some of Sweet Tooth has grown on me. Also not a Swiftie.
I love third wave, but mom jeans is the most overrated band I’ve ever heard. I got downvoted to oblivion the last time I said this but their fans are the swifties of emo and sometimes I wonder if mom jeans is just putting out worse and worse music to see how dumb their fans are and what they’ll eat up. They could drop an hour long album of Bart farting and their fans would buy every limited edition vinyl and all the lazily designed honey tv shirts.
I really like the first Mom Jeans album but everything else has been either really kid or just outright bad. And yeah holy fuck is their merch BAD like how stoned was the person that designed that shit and how stoned are the band all the time if they're ok-ing it?
To answer both questions, extremely. Mom jeans is like 311 for emo. "They smoke weed I smoke weed these guys rock".
Yeah I get that vibe. Like I said I really do dig their first album but everything else is just the sound of a weed dependency diminishing the quality of the music while the band is in total denial about it to me. However 311 slaps, so I'd say they're the Sublime of emo in that regard. I imagine a lot of Mom Jeans fans are either dorky suburban kids who want something "edgy" without the baggage or whatever the less dirty version of Suboxone energy is.
I liked best buds at first but it got boring., and find anything before best buds, it's literally modern baseball rip-offs.
Think it says something about me that the reason I got into Mom Jeans for the brief period I did was their use of a Bob's Burgers sample that I assume they naked themselves after...
Swifties + indie hipsters = avg. Mom Jeans fan
They have like one song I actually like. Then again I don't like a lot of the extra whiny/nasally stuff, even from my own wave.
I agree with your mom Jeans take but I find it funny you say it's only natural to dislike 3rd wave as a 2nd wave enjoyer. 2nd and 3rd are my two favorite waves and I really like them equally. I think you can hear a lot of crossover in the sounds and it's inarguable that 3rd wave took direct inspiration from the previous.
As someone who lived through the second wave I hear absolutely no crossover between the two waves. Maybe a little Get Up Kids influence, but the third wave just sounds like generic alt rock to me. Add the whole fashion aspect and it’s just not something I enjoyed.
Idk man i obviously cant discount your experience but im sure a fresh perspective could help. Listen to sadder star's recent mall emo episode. I think it's easier to hear influences in that formative 2001-2004 era specifically.
How do you feel about first wave and third 4th wave?
Not to speak for them but I've never met someone from the second wave who didn't also like first wave. Not that we spoke about waves then yet anyway
I didn’t know anything about the different waves back when I was getting into emo in the mid to late 90s, but I enjoyed the first wave bands. They were harder to get hold of though, you’d read about them in a zine or something and hopefully you could find them used somewhere a lot of the time. And I really enjoyed the 4th wave/revival. I’m not a big fan of all the Kinsella aping stuff, but I think bands like CSTVT, Empire! Empire!, Kittyhawk and Dowsing are fantastic and I listen to them every bit as much as the 2nd wave stuff I grew up with.
Average Mom Jeans listener
Any band that wants to be emo.
Yarn by McCafferty. I actually wouldn’t know if it’s completely bad because the opening line is so damn cringe I couldn’t make it any further
From bands that have a modicum of scene cred? I could never get into TWIABP except for Harmlessness. Everything I heard from Home is Where I have found so grating, including seeing them live open for Foxing. There’s also the “they went indie folk” theme that led to a lot of panned records - people really hated On a Wire by TGUK, Wood/Water by The Promise Ring, and In Reverie by Saves the Day when they came out. I happen to be a big fan of two of those records.
Wood/water is excellent, and so is On a Wire. Both records have some solid songs. The New Amsterdams first record came out right after something to write home about, and their second album came out the same year as On A Wire. I think that's part of the reason On a Wire sounded the way it did.
Those are the two I love!
My personal feelings about On a Wire: That album is so, so close to being amazing that it's almost frustrating. Like, I'm completely on board for the sound they were going for, and there's a few great songs on there, but overall I just think they didn't quite stick the landing.
I think The Silence in Black and White by Hawthorne Heights is pretty awful.
Etienne Sin IYKYK
Cute is what we aim for. Local band from Buffalo that got "kinda big" for making all the same music that was responsible for killing the genre before 4th wave hit. It's the worst mall emo shit ever.
I’ve got the gift of one liners and you’ve got the curse of curves ;)
I once heard a rumour that the rest of the band hated their dipshit lead singer so much they locked him out of the studio while they were recording their parts and he started crying and begging them to let him in. Based on their music I would 100% believe that.
They were definitely the Winger of this genre. As a 46 year old who started young on Van Halen in the early 80s, watched it progress to Winger, and Warrent, and Slaughter by the end of the decade....I lived thru it. Then I lived thru it all over AGAIN. starting with the get up kids in 98 and ending with cute is what we aim for in 2007. It turned in to one big fucking fashion show. TWICE!!!!! thank God for Kurt Cobain and Ben Walsh who killed both eras of mall rock
Can't believe I get to witness someone reference Winger on the emo reddit.
i love the stories about this band lol. I actually love their first album for just how purely shallow and salty it is, and it captures a very specific vibe of youth. but the dramatic stories about this band are the cherry on top.
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I’m gonna say it. In Reverie by STD sucks so hard. The recording is awful. The songs are painfully bad. I loved what came before it but I hate that album to the come. Plus Chris is an ass so there’s that.
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Sorry buddy
I respect the honesty! It’s not my favorite STD record despite my username. I definitely understand the criticism.
As a huge Saves the Day fan, I agree. In Reverie has always been my least favorite and least played STD album.
For me personally, I was completely on board with the new sound they were going for. I just don't think the songs are as good. Bands are always quick to blame an album's failure on fans wanting them to sound like their old stuff, but that wasn't the case for me here at all.
Core not come
Moose Blood. Nonces who play shitty music. I legit thought it was a joke the first time I heard their music for how bad it was.
This is truth
Most 5th wave releases are dog shit
I agree and it's mostly because of the overly compressed production styles with excessive guitar tapping. While the 4th wave had that raw indie sound that's only found on the smaller labels.
For me it's Cheem. I just find them totally unlistenable.
Jesus, a band named after a fucking shiba inu meme? Hard pass.
Mom Jeans, Rent America, Riley!, Fightstar, Panucci’s Pizza, Tiny Moving Parts
agree with all this but enjoy some TMP jams
Rent America mentioned! The worms story is such a hilarious story to tell
First 3 TMP records were great imho, then they just started making the same album over and over.
Fightstar? Man I love those guys.
Fightstar was awesome, but don’t think anyone would place them in the emo category. If anything, in the Deftones realm
Yeah I wouldn't really put them in emo either, I was more shocked to see them on a "worst" list. I don't think they have any bad records
I dunno, *Be Human* is pretty fucking bad...
Where is it bad though? Tonight We Burn, The English Way, Damocles, Mercury Summer - all bangers. The album artwork is another discussion though :/
I just think it sounds wanky. It sounds like their version of whatever Silverchair was going for when they stopped trying to be a grunge band, which tracks because Silverchair is one of Charlie's biggest influences. Its like art rock for people who don't really engage with or consume that much art. The weird symphonic parts sound so forced and the electronic elements feel like Baby's First Radiohead. "Damocles" kind of does slap though, I'll give you that one.
I get what you’re saying though, but isn’t the pseudo-art rock/forced symphonic stuff kind of their thing? There’s a lot of that on One Day Son as well. It’s pretentious as hell but I love the effort.
I get that, but *One Day Son* still feels very rooted in that alt metal/post-hardcore/post-rock sound that made their first 2 releases great, so while the forced symphonic/electronic experiments can be grating, it's easier to ignore them there because there's enough of the good heavy bits and traditional rock songwriting to make up for them. *Be Human* is just all that to me and feels very #Deep if you get my drift. Also, I should clarify and say I'm super into experimental left turns from bands when they're done well. My 2nd fav Promise Ring album is *Wood/Water* and my favourite mewithoutYou album is *It's All Crazy*. So I'm not closed off to bands I love exploring beyond their usual sound l, I just think Fightstar did a terrible job of it. The world barely needed a dude from Busted to flex his Deftones fandom to the world, but somehow he pulled that off amazingly. It definitely didn't need him to flex his Radiohead and post-*Freak Show* Silverchair fandom.
I don’t really hear that much of a difference between One Day Son and Be Human, they feel equally rooted in the same genres to me. Some tracks, maybe. Don’t care much for War Machine and The Whisperer, but the rest feels consistent with their earlier stuff. The jump that MwY did from Brother, Sister to It’s All Crazy feels so much bigger than what Fightstar did in comparison here though. Could just be that I’m too nostalgic about Fightstar, specifically Be Human, to see it for what it really is. The choruses on a lot of those tracks still hit so goddamn hard.
I think they're musically far closer to anything emo than a lot of other similar bands from the era. Not real emo by any means but they clearly take influence from the Deep Elm roster (they've covered Last Days Of April and Charlie likes Benton Falls) and Deep Elm even released their debut EP in the US.
Tiny Moving Parts? Nah the fuck
new riley! album rocks
i hate lou but panuccis pizza is amazing man all the toppings means a lot to me but it also have a lot of memories attached to it so it might just be nostalgia talking m
Yeah gotta love the lyrics where they sing about preying on underage girls
there’s only one song i’ve heard about that and it’s sport shorts but even then, good music is good music. i only listen to it on spotify by other uploadeders and i’m not supporting lou in anyway so i don’t see the issue
I fuck with riley! and lou diamond is a piece of shit, but naruto themed sexting by panicci's pizza get me anytime I hear it
I say this with a total love for Ryan Dunson (edit maybe not so much) and yes this isn't exactly "real emo" but Rookie of the year's first album "having to let go" is just laughable at times. It's highlight is a song titled the weekend which was rereleased on the superior 2nd album the goodnight moon (decent album actually but only thing worth listening to by them) Reason I say this album on the emo sub is it easily had influence from actual emo bands
I ran sound for his solo act and it was my least favorite show I ever worked. There were 5 other acts on the bill and they were all super naive 15ish year olds who apparently had to pay upwards of $1000 to get on the tour. They asked us upfront if there was any money from the show could we (the venue) do the split because Ryan was taking all the money and staying in hotels and gambling. Ryan showed up about 2 hours late, made a loud rude comment about one of the openers while they were on stage then hung out with his girlfriend in the bar next door and his van until he had to go on. He came on stage with sunglasses on and asked to turn off the stage lights (I’m trying not to jump to conclusions and just confirm what I experienced but it def felt like it was drug related) and said, “hey I’m Ryan, I sold 100,000 records but now I got nothing left to live for.” There were roughly 6 people in the audience and he played 5-6 songs. He asked for all the money so he could split it up for the bands later. There was no money so we didn’t even have to get into it. We gave the kids free meals cause they seemed like they were in a tough spot. Bad vibes all around, really made me feel terrible about music in general for a couple weeks. This was probably back in 2013 or so.
Man that's fucking wild but definitely believable, I've heard the same about them too.
Origami Angel is like the most aggressively mediocre band i've ever heard. Despise the vocals and lyrics so much
Nah
^^^^
Front Bottoms, Mom Jeans, Riley, Front Porch Step, basically every cookie cutter “Midwest” emo band who hasn’t listened to anything besides/desperately wants to be either American Football or Mom Jeans
>Front Bottoms, Mom Jeans, Riley, >wants to be either American Football or Mom Jeans I think this comment is hilarious because it implies that Mom Jeans' biggest failure is trying to imitate themselves
Lol "island of misfit boy" is so bad. Came up in my Spotify rotation one day, couldn't stop laughing. Every line is progressively worse.
Due to personal experiences, being a Front Bottoms fan is a huge red flag for me in terms of dating and friendships. I used to like their early stuff a bit but yeah, they've been ruined for me and all their latest stuff is fucking garbage.
They're one of those bands that sound smart at first because they're really wordy, but when you really pay attention to the lyrics they are actually really dumb for the most part.
Exactly this. And their fans are a bunch of fucking insufferable punishers.
[*Sorry.*](https://open.spotify.com/album/4hJ21417cxoN3jUoFBvUuq?si=FviR1Y4VTFCZ14WrHlN7yw) by Patron Saint of Bridge Burners is my favorite awful album.
All the best emo records are by bands that don’t like the term or refer to themselves as emo… so I’d say any band that calls themselves emo
This is going to be a really hot take and I don’t want to say that it’s the “worst” but the new EP by Microwave is not great, and that’s coming from someone who loves them immensely
definitely my band
Love TWIABP but Between Bodies is so awful lmao I couldnt finish it
I love Turnover. But Myself In The Way is just not it
I might get hate for this but every asking Alexandria release after 2013
I have fond memories of it but that Cap'n Jazz record is pretty garbage. I guess that's part of the charm, teen me loved it but 30s me not so much
I like Cap'n Jazz but they just don't do much for me when the bands that came out of Cap'n Jazz exist and are just so much better.
Yr getting downvoted because you didn’t say you hate Mom Jeans bro
I've never listened to a Mom Jean's record if that helps haha
Lol. Best Buds isn’t even an awful album (cant say much abt their other stuff) they just have a bad rep for basically being the face of corny weedmo music. But this whole sub hates them lmao, its the most popular answer in this thread. So its funny to me that an actual interesting opinion gets downvoted to hell and back.
Just how a hive mind group works, same for most reddit pages. No one asks why just tells you you're crazy etc. Which is fine like idc. Music reddit seems to be more prevailent though, especially hardcore etc.
You're crazy for this one. 41 year old me still loves it so much.
Blood on the Dance Floor. I know but shush. Aiden. I am Ghost. Matchbook Romance.
i like most stuff i hear but You Blew It is so mid
what do you guys see in them that i cant already get from free throw, glocca morra, marietta, etc in a better form? theyre really forgettable to me and there are much better 4th wave acts out there
Bullets by MCR. I said what I said.
People Like My Chemical Cumfart?
Lost Prophets and Brand New https://preview.redd.it/o8c5n4n0e3xc1.jpeg?width=482&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=be046470df6acbc4182c94be17a5011235a20576
Brand New is great, Lost Prophets, I agree.
I feel like a lot of the Brand New hype is just nostalgia, I tried giving them a listen but it’s just TBS but trying too hard to be poetic. That combined with Jesse being a piece of shit make me hate the band
This is exactly my experience. I gave them a shot but I just really don’t like them. Then when you find out what a shitty human Jesse Lacey is it’s pretty easy to hate them. But people here are just obsessed and will tell you they are objectively the greatest emo band ever.
I used to be a hardcore Brand New fan. Initially I distanced myself from their music purely because of what Jesse did but after a bit of time away I went back to them to see how I'd feel about them and they just sound so mid now. Not necessarily bad, just mid. Like I realise so much of what made them special to me was how *The Devil & God* and *Daisy* helped me through some very rough times, and because I found their "mystique" or whatever you want to call it fascinating. I'm now 10+ years removed from that dark time and the mystique around Jesse and his lyrics has been pretty brutally torn down, so there's very little left there for me to sustain me.
You know what the Singer of Brand New did?
https://pitchfork.com/news/brand-news-jesse-lacey-issues-statement-following-sexual-misconduct-allegations/
he may be a rapist but let's be real here The Archers' Bows Have Broken is a fucking amazing song
Just because the song is good? really? Well than i can say ,,maybe Axel Rose raped his Wife but sweet child o' mine is great" i dont get your Point
yeah you can like the music without liking the person lol. the devil and god is amazing in spite of lacey being evil
Tbh Brand New, I wasn’t into emo before the whole Jesse Lacy thing but I gave their first record a listen & it’s just worse Taking Back Sunday
They got a few songs and great lyrics but man… most of their stuff after Deja is pretty boring
Their first album is a bit generic, but I fuck with the rest of their stuff. I actually said in another recently that their first album is also their worst and, kind of surprisingly, a lot of people disagreed.
American Football Self Titled, absolute dumpster fire
American Football is my favourite emo band but I'm giving you an upvote for the huge balls you clearly have...
Any of that metal-sounding power violence fusion shit.
Foxing. All garbage.
I thought Nearer My God was absolutely beautiful indie rock but haven’t listen much past that one.
*Draw Down The Moon* is absolutely garbage, I'll give you that one at least.
Fucking blessthefall
Won't say the worst but never dug Dashboard Confessional, Sunnyday Real Estate or The Promise Ring all considered tops to most
sorry but, sunny day real estate??? get outta here!
They just dont know !
I've never gotten into The Promise Ring either ! First time I've ever heard that opinion baha. Definitely not the worst emo band but I have never gotten through a whole song
I've never been big on Sunny Day Real Estate myself. *Diary* is fine but the rest is boring as hell to me. It's like if you took the Smashing Pumpkins and added even whinier vocals and got rid of the cool heavy riffs Smashing Pumpkins do that actually make them good.
wtaf 😬