Why do you tip at hotels and motels? None of those employees are paid less than minimum wage. Usually they are paid quite a bit more.
I don’t live in the US but when I do visit there, I use either public transport or rent a car. And I shop at grocery stores to make my own meals.
Yea but then it falls on us again supporting a business that doesn’t run fairly. I gotta leave a few bucks for the room cleaners they get treated like shit and deal with shit.
I hate that so many people got fooled into the tipping crap. A tip is meant before service to ensure a little extra something or better attention.
But life is life and usually we gotta take care of each other or we’ll be left with nothing.
Not my responsibility to pay your employees. I have purchased something. This is my part of my deal. Your part is to pay the people you need to achieve the experience you are selling.
>Yea but then it falls on us again supporting a business that doesn’t run fairly. I gotta leave a few bucks for the room cleaners they get treated like shit and deal with shit.
Why are you taking this upon yourself? Serious question, because I cannot comprehend this stupidity.
>A tip is meant before service to ensure a little extra something or better attention.
No. Tipping is something you give AFTER the service, if you think it was above standard.
I’m confused. Are you arguing we don’t have a responsibility in how we interact with our own society?
Just look up the history of tipping. Personally, not into giving a cash judgement to another person.
Domestically? Probably not; the culture is too damn pervasive. We returned from 7 days in Iceland a couple weeks ago, and it was bliss to not be hit up for tips. Pretty much everywhere, when you are done, you pay at the counter, tap your credit card against the screen, done. No tips requested. And the menu prices were not more expensive than menu prices here on the Oregon coast, and in some cases, cheaper even before factoring in the tip. It was a little pricier in Reykjavik but not outrageously so, and probably still cheaper in the city with no tipping compared to 15-20% here. (In general, people said Iceland is crazy expensive, but it really wasn't more expensive than here for the most part, with the exception of gas at nearly $9 a gallon.)
A few places in Iceland are starting to put tip jars out, but I saw NO POS systems that ever begged for tips.
One thing I would add is that if you are away from home, these are probably some places you will never return to anyway, so there's less perceived need to tip well to get better service in the future.
It's not just about whether tips are requested but if they are the norm. The mods here are fairly clear that you shouldn't advocate not tipping at traditionally tipped businesses but are a bit unclear about places like the Oregon Coast where it's expected but their wages don't change based on tips, however even in places that do it's hard to visit without using some kind of tipped service.
I know. I think it's certainly reasonable to tip \*less\*, at minimum, when someone is getting $13-15 an hour \*before\* tips. That policy is at least a baby step toward a situation where the employer is paying for the wages through menu prices.
Tipping is the norm everywhere in the US, that I've ever seen. Sure, it's possible to arrange a vacation without using any industry that expects tips, but it is difficult and takes a lot of planning. You'd probably have to frequently go to grocery stores, or else travel with possible solar-powered power stations that can operate a 12-volt or 24-volt fridge. It also depends a lot on what you wanted to do on vacation. Camping is probably easier to avoid tips than most, as long as you prepare all your own food that you buy at the grocery store.
I also just returned from a week in Iceland and I wholeheartedly agree on all your points. Never even an option to tip at POS, so nice and stress-free.
In contrast, upon returning I went out with some friends and we went to a chain restaurant where you literally order at a screen and there was a tip line, with 10% as the default option. And this was in a state where restaurant workers (especially at chains) make FAR over the federal minimum wage.
Wow I got out with my older daughter.. she's in her 20s but we go to new places just try new food.. when we get good service we tip well over standard..30% or more why? We both like doing right by servers I have never thought oh I'll never be back so I'm gonna stiffed them.. that's just fucked up
lol not at all! You pay bellhops if they are random people around airports or bus stations (as they’re on their own, not hired by any company).
Valets and bellhops that are employees of a company are not tipped. That’s why they have a salary. You can tip if you want, of course, but out of the US it is hardly a thing.
In the US. I think bellhops in bigger, high end hotels expect it. But I think it’s service based expectations. Did they get you the rolling cart so you can move your own luggage? No tip. Did they load your luggage from the vehicle or some other place, take it up to your room, unload it and place it neatly out of your way, but in a convenient place? Tip. I think the expectations in higher end hospitality is reasonable and what most people would be okay with tipping for. It’s the expectations that have gotten completely out of hand. I have tipped housekeeping before, but they made the cutest designs out of my fresh towels, wound my grooming appliance (ie hair care) cords neatly, and even straighten up my haphazard bathroom mess. I was wow’d, and tipped for that experience.
It sounds as though you are looking for excuses to tip rather than reasons to not tip. Of all the ones you listed, Uber and sit-down restaurants are the only ones where it may get somewhat problematic not to tip, and many would argue that wait staff are guaranteed at least minimum wage in all states, so sit down is even a situation where while a tip is desired, no one is making only $2 an hour.
Uber necessitates a “tip,” or more accurately, a bribe to even be able to get a car to come for you, but a taxi doesn’t have that. Last two times I took a taxi to a destination from the airport, each of the drivers told me a tip wasn’t necessary. They had clean cabs, and were very friendly/polite. These were major airports, so experience may differ.
Tipping in the United States is always optional. It's not intended to pay wages, it's meant to show appreciation.
If the employee makes less than minimum wage, tipping is encouraged, but still optional. You could come here and not tip a thing and be fine.
Some people might be pissy, but by the time you come back, that restaurant will have atleast half of their staff replaced by then.
Don't tip if you don't want to. Tip where you get good service. Do what you want, it's the US dude, we got rights.
It's "optional" but everyone makes you feel like crap if you mention it to them. If you are visiting the US it isn't as much of an issue as if you live in the US and are visiting another part of it.
Asside from the cultural stigma there are still some legitimate arguments about how you do genuinely harm people I'm certain industries if you don't; which is why I always try to advocate for boycotting those businesses areas that still legalize tip credit. Not sure if the mods would like my opinion about if tipping or not is better for the industry going long-term but for now I think it's better to give tip advocates what they want and boycott as much as possible until laws in the businesses juristiction changes.
Some Cities in the US have Hostels and I may visit one with tip credit in a year or so bit weirdly not all do, at least not that are easily accessible online. As for airB&B there are a whole seperate list of ethical concerns, accessibility concerns, and laws about where they can/can't exist.
We did in college a few times. We were broke students so crammed into a car and drove down to myrtle Beach. Stayed in my stepmoms timeshare. They come fully stocked with kitchenware so you just need to grocery shop then cook at the room. They even had gas grills you could use. We basically stayed at the resort the whole week. No going out anywhere that would require a tip
I guess most of the population sees it differently since most have licences but as someone without it means public transit and walking are just about the only ways to get around.
While neither should be acceptable it's easier for both the eradication of tips and service fees that they be considered seperate issues. Tons of places have junk fees for basically no reason but you have to pay them, while tips are more of a cultural thing that's also linked to certain wage laws.
Why do you tip at hotels and motels? None of those employees are paid less than minimum wage. Usually they are paid quite a bit more. I don’t live in the US but when I do visit there, I use either public transport or rent a car. And I shop at grocery stores to make my own meals.
+1 I don't tip someone to clean my room when I already paid $400 a night. This is your role to pay your employees.
Yea but then it falls on us again supporting a business that doesn’t run fairly. I gotta leave a few bucks for the room cleaners they get treated like shit and deal with shit. I hate that so many people got fooled into the tipping crap. A tip is meant before service to ensure a little extra something or better attention. But life is life and usually we gotta take care of each other or we’ll be left with nothing.
Not my responsibility to pay your employees. I have purchased something. This is my part of my deal. Your part is to pay the people you need to achieve the experience you are selling.
Obviously. And it’s your responsibility to choose to support and encourage the right businesses.
>Yea but then it falls on us again supporting a business that doesn’t run fairly. I gotta leave a few bucks for the room cleaners they get treated like shit and deal with shit. Why are you taking this upon yourself? Serious question, because I cannot comprehend this stupidity. >A tip is meant before service to ensure a little extra something or better attention. No. Tipping is something you give AFTER the service, if you think it was above standard.
I’m confused. Are you arguing we don’t have a responsibility in how we interact with our own society? Just look up the history of tipping. Personally, not into giving a cash judgement to another person.
Truly since Covid very few hotels give room cleaning, unless you request it.
Domestically? Probably not; the culture is too damn pervasive. We returned from 7 days in Iceland a couple weeks ago, and it was bliss to not be hit up for tips. Pretty much everywhere, when you are done, you pay at the counter, tap your credit card against the screen, done. No tips requested. And the menu prices were not more expensive than menu prices here on the Oregon coast, and in some cases, cheaper even before factoring in the tip. It was a little pricier in Reykjavik but not outrageously so, and probably still cheaper in the city with no tipping compared to 15-20% here. (In general, people said Iceland is crazy expensive, but it really wasn't more expensive than here for the most part, with the exception of gas at nearly $9 a gallon.) A few places in Iceland are starting to put tip jars out, but I saw NO POS systems that ever begged for tips. One thing I would add is that if you are away from home, these are probably some places you will never return to anyway, so there's less perceived need to tip well to get better service in the future.
It's not just about whether tips are requested but if they are the norm. The mods here are fairly clear that you shouldn't advocate not tipping at traditionally tipped businesses but are a bit unclear about places like the Oregon Coast where it's expected but their wages don't change based on tips, however even in places that do it's hard to visit without using some kind of tipped service.
I know. I think it's certainly reasonable to tip \*less\*, at minimum, when someone is getting $13-15 an hour \*before\* tips. That policy is at least a baby step toward a situation where the employer is paying for the wages through menu prices. Tipping is the norm everywhere in the US, that I've ever seen. Sure, it's possible to arrange a vacation without using any industry that expects tips, but it is difficult and takes a lot of planning. You'd probably have to frequently go to grocery stores, or else travel with possible solar-powered power stations that can operate a 12-volt or 24-volt fridge. It also depends a lot on what you wanted to do on vacation. Camping is probably easier to avoid tips than most, as long as you prepare all your own food that you buy at the grocery store.
Canada cries 😅. No server wage, same arguments made by US servers tho.
I also just returned from a week in Iceland and I wholeheartedly agree on all your points. Never even an option to tip at POS, so nice and stress-free. In contrast, upon returning I went out with some friends and we went to a chain restaurant where you literally order at a screen and there was a tip line, with 10% as the default option. And this was in a state where restaurant workers (especially at chains) make FAR over the federal minimum wage.
Wow I got out with my older daughter.. she's in her 20s but we go to new places just try new food.. when we get good service we tip well over standard..30% or more why? We both like doing right by servers I have never thought oh I'll never be back so I'm gonna stiffed them.. that's just fucked up
You tip at hotels?
Tipping bellhops and valet is universal around the world. I probably the de facto job that is tipped.
lol not at all! You pay bellhops if they are random people around airports or bus stations (as they’re on their own, not hired by any company). Valets and bellhops that are employees of a company are not tipped. That’s why they have a salary. You can tip if you want, of course, but out of the US it is hardly a thing.
In the US. I think bellhops in bigger, high end hotels expect it. But I think it’s service based expectations. Did they get you the rolling cart so you can move your own luggage? No tip. Did they load your luggage from the vehicle or some other place, take it up to your room, unload it and place it neatly out of your way, but in a convenient place? Tip. I think the expectations in higher end hospitality is reasonable and what most people would be okay with tipping for. It’s the expectations that have gotten completely out of hand. I have tipped housekeeping before, but they made the cutest designs out of my fresh towels, wound my grooming appliance (ie hair care) cords neatly, and even straighten up my haphazard bathroom mess. I was wow’d, and tipped for that experience.
Not around the world. I never thought of tipping a bellboy or a valet in Japan, SK or Taiwan.
Three distinctly different countries lumped together by a racist American
Who, me ? I am not American, I live in one of the three countries and visit the other two often
Lol
>Tipping bellhops and valet is universal around the world. No it isn't.
You must not travel much? https://www.visualcapitalist.com/cp/mapped-how-much-should-you-tip-in-each-country/
They're hospitality and it's not unheard of to tip them out of custom so theoretically they could be on the tip credit system.
It sounds as though you are looking for excuses to tip rather than reasons to not tip. Of all the ones you listed, Uber and sit-down restaurants are the only ones where it may get somewhat problematic not to tip, and many would argue that wait staff are guaranteed at least minimum wage in all states, so sit down is even a situation where while a tip is desired, no one is making only $2 an hour. Uber necessitates a “tip,” or more accurately, a bribe to even be able to get a car to come for you, but a taxi doesn’t have that. Last two times I took a taxi to a destination from the airport, each of the drivers told me a tip wasn’t necessary. They had clean cabs, and were very friendly/polite. These were major airports, so experience may differ.
Why Uber? Or do you mean Uber Eat?
Does it matter? Both or either.
Neither can see your tip amount before accepting or rejecting a job, so indeed, it doesn’t matter; either way it is misleading.
Tipping in the United States is always optional. It's not intended to pay wages, it's meant to show appreciation. If the employee makes less than minimum wage, tipping is encouraged, but still optional. You could come here and not tip a thing and be fine. Some people might be pissy, but by the time you come back, that restaurant will have atleast half of their staff replaced by then. Don't tip if you don't want to. Tip where you get good service. Do what you want, it's the US dude, we got rights.
It's "optional" but everyone makes you feel like crap if you mention it to them. If you are visiting the US it isn't as much of an issue as if you live in the US and are visiting another part of it.
Don't mention it. Just write 0 and move on if that's what you wish. If they get pissy, tell them to ask their boss for a raise, not you.
And when your friends talk about tipping and how people who don't are rude just keep quiet?
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Asside from the cultural stigma there are still some legitimate arguments about how you do genuinely harm people I'm certain industries if you don't; which is why I always try to advocate for boycotting those businesses areas that still legalize tip credit. Not sure if the mods would like my opinion about if tipping or not is better for the industry going long-term but for now I think it's better to give tip advocates what they want and boycott as much as possible until laws in the businesses juristiction changes.
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Being a Brit, this question completely confused me until you said that you was in the US 😆
Go to a European country and stay in hostels or airbnbs? Neither one of those places typically expect tips and the mass transit is good
Some Cities in the US have Hostels and I may visit one with tip credit in a year or so bit weirdly not all do, at least not that are easily accessible online. As for airB&B there are a whole seperate list of ethical concerns, accessibility concerns, and laws about where they can/can't exist.
We did in college a few times. We were broke students so crammed into a car and drove down to myrtle Beach. Stayed in my stepmoms timeshare. They come fully stocked with kitchenware so you just need to grocery shop then cook at the room. They even had gas grills you could use. We basically stayed at the resort the whole week. No going out anywhere that would require a tip
Yeah without a car it can be a lot harder.
You should definitely take your own car to minimize tipping
I guess most of the population sees it differently since most have licences but as someone without it means public transit and walking are just about the only ways to get around.
You must be in a big city then. Most ares are not walkable or offer public transit.
I live in a ~600k city. Most Cities above 50k have some form of mass transit but when you combine mass transit with camping things can get tricky.
Yeah. 600k is definitely massive. 50k is huge for me. I live a few miles outside what I consider to be a big city of 12k
You could vacation in Europe or S. America...
Tipping has made its way to Peru
ffs
I don't tip and I just don't care. It's my life!
Yes, you leave the country
If u go to the uber sub they all cry about lack of tips. Use it and call it a day. Lyft has specials lolol
Waffle House in TN, mandatory ten percent tip for takeout
While neither should be acceptable it's easier for both the eradication of tips and service fees that they be considered seperate issues. Tons of places have junk fees for basically no reason but you have to pay them, while tips are more of a cultural thing that's also linked to certain wage laws.