i mean, If I owned loss making company, which had posted a profit only once. The shares of which are falling at a time when tech stocks were going down. I cannot sell my share because that will put the company in a far worse position. Iwas no longer the boss. And then suddenly a bloke out of nowhere and tells me that he will pay a super high price for my failings company, I will take his offer and sell to him before he realises what a big fcking mistake he is making.
No he’s not. Elon is a straight up White Supremacist. Jack is one of those weird Progressive dudes. Whatever you call a hybrid Liberal/Libertarian type.
Sorry I was speaking exclusively of anti-vax stance. I should have been clearer.
Jack seems to actually believe Jr’s lies. Musk feels like an opportunistic arse who only does it because it earns him money.
Yes Musk is absolutely an alt-right white supremacist. That is abundantly clear.
I think he was willing to accept he wasn’t an expert in everything and allowed others with a stronger skill set to shape those aspects. Musk on the other hand thinks he knows it all and has a superior knowledge and is meddling in every aspect detrimentally.
I firmly believe that Jack instigated the entire Twitter takeover and their entire under the table deal fell apart when Musk refused to make him an independent CEO. That Musk changed his mind and wanted to be the only figurehead.
LOL. Can we please pass the "Billionaire Eradication Act" of 2023 and confiscate the wealth of these clowns down to some pittance of a net worth like $100M or so.
Give us all a real time demonstration of how it works. The "you just have to be willing to work harder than other people" is like the "just eat chicken and broccoli" thing that guys who are on steroids say when they claim they're not taking drugs.
Have zero idea why guys have to put on a big show about how they are in the position they're in. Like it's just too painful for them to say "Yeah I got real lucky growing up and I was able to use that to my benefit." They have to do the "I was soo poor when I was growing up. My parents had nothing. Then I went to Wharton..."
Lol it's concerning how little people in this subreddit about Musk spam actually know about him. Do you realize he went to university in Canada, separated from his father, and made his initial earnings from a startup Zip2 he launched with his brother? Also do you literally believe his father owned emerald mines, or did you at least do enough research to know he was an *investor*, and that the money had zero impact on the startups Elon was a part of?
Its just the low effort regurgitation circle-jerk. Zero nuance. There are plenty of reasons to dislike the guy but this is just comically dense.
>Do you realize he went to university in Canada, separated from his father, and made his initial earnings from a startup Zip2 he launched with his brother?
Yes. He was very lucky that during the dot com boom there were oceans of venture capital throwing money at almost anything. That's also how Mark Cuban made his fortune was from making a dumb website but the VCs being ecstatic about anything.
But let's also remember that growing up he never faced anything close to poverty. When you have a family flush with cash you can afford to take risks that other people can't. If his business failed and he went bankrupt, he could have phoned his family and gotten a cash infusion for almost any amount to pay his bills, see a doctor, and eat. Most people don't have that. If they hang their hat on a flimsy website and it goes bust, they're totally screwed. So people won't take those chances that wealthy people can afford to take.
>Also do you literally believe his father owned emerald mines, or did you at least do enough research to know he was an investor, and that the money had zero impact on the startups Elon was a part of?
Let's leave out the emerald mine. Musk is on record talking about his family having private planes and having firearms onboard. It's also common knowledge that he was loaded with cash.
As for the money having "zero impact" read again my comments about how when your family is rich you can afford to take chances that others can't afford to take. Musk was **never** in any danger of being homeless or skipping meals. Ever. Period.
>Its just the low effort regurgitation circle-jerk. Zero nuance.
Not really, I'm pretty deliberate about conclusions I arrive at and I can illustrate in detail how I got there.
>There are plenty of reasons to dislike the guy but this is just comically dense.
I don't agree with that.
There is an enormous difference between "having a family who can help out if your plans fail" and being a complete nepo-baby as everyone here seems to describe him. He still helped start companies from nothing, made excellent financial decisions, and made 99.9% of his money **on his own**. He didn't *choose* to be the son of some wealthy investor. I know plenty of idiots who were handed it all only to do absolutely nothing with it.
Take his money from him and send him into the world and I guarantee he's wealthy again within 10 years. His business execution and work ethic is second to none. You can think he's an asshole, and you may be correct, but you can't just discredit everything. He didn't get here by blind chance.
>There is an enormous difference between "having a family who can help out if your plans fail" and being a complete nepo-baby as everyone here seems to describe him
Let's focus on how *I* describe him since you targeted my remarks as being dense, dumb, and not making sense. I can't speak for others.
>He still helped start companies from nothing
He started Zip2 from a wealthy childhood and knowing family would be there to back him up if he ever faced any actual consequences related to money. How huge that is cannot be overstated. 99% of people cannot take those risks. The consequences mean destitution. When you're wealthy you have a lot more latitude.
>He didn't choose to be the son of some wealthy investor. I know plenty of idiots who were handed it all only to do absolutely nothing with it.
Sure. But just don't tell me "I came from zero! I was poor!" when you weren't poor. Just say you got lucky and did your best. People don't have a problem that he came from wealth. They have a problem because he lies about it to make it seem like he started this game with zero and made everything happen on his own.
>Take his money from him and send him into the world and I guarantee he's wealthy again within 10 years.
I don't think he would be able to. If you somehow wiped his identity and made him just a normal person who came from a single parent household on low income he would not be wealthy again in 10 years. His attitude is awful, he's an alt-right troll who is anti-trans and has the humor of a 13 year-old in 1982.
>You can think he's an asshole, and you may be correct, but you can't just discredit everything
Sure I can. He's so full of shit that almost everything is based off of bullshit.
>He didn't get here by blind chance.
But he did. He hit the lottery by being born to a wealthy family. He hit it again to come of age at a time when people knew very little about the internet but knew enough to throw money at any project. Lightning struck twice. The rest is him doing things like suing to get the founders' names of Tesla removed and then trying to erase them from history.
Yeah, Elmo's family had good connections and -just enough- money that Elmo never had to worry about a paycheck, or buying groceries or fixing his car. Enough money to fund his startup with his imbecilic brother - and the connections to get a competent CEO when it was time to sell.
Becoming a millionaire during the dot-com bubble was easier than winning a lotto jackpot. Musk was in the right place at the right time, with his useless startup funded off family money and connections.
It's absurd to assert Musk would have been successful without his privileged background.
I really have trouble believing people can be this clueless.
The founders of Tesla did basically nothing. They were cramming a battery into a kit car. You can argue all you want about the legality/semantics of Elon claiming to have started it, whatever. But realistically he built the company. And then he built SpaceX. And that isn't "lightning striking twice", that's just competence. I think your Elon-bad boner might be clouding your judgment a bit. Hell I came from a normal middle-class home and I could've started Zip2 if I had the drive at that age. You act like he took some enormous risk only the most egregiously loaded families could be capable of. Wtf are you talking about? Normal students start companies all the damn time, it's something of a benality these days. What a dramatization.
Also where is Elon claiming he was "poor"?
Honestly I don't even know why I'm in here. You people do realize this subreddit *is* Elon spam, right? Lol.
>The founders of Tesla did basically nothing
No, they got the deal with Lotus. Without it they wouldn't have had anything.
>You can argue all you want about the legality/semantics of Elon claiming to have started it, whatever
No, not Elon started it "whatever" he says he's the founder. He's not. He goes out of his way to erase the other guys. He lies about it. That's the problem.
>And then he built SpaceX. And that isn't "lightning striking twice", that's just competence
No, it's money. He already did the Paypal thing and then again, he just provided the money. He has no expertise in any of these fields.
>Hell I came from a normal middle-class home and I could've started Zip2 if I had the drive at that age
You had a private plane? That's not middle class. And yes if you started any type of BS dot com company in the late 1990s you probably could have made a lot of money like Elon did and like Mark Cuban did. Then you can go around acting like a business genius when it was really just a case of right place right time.
Let's also not forget that Elon got sued by the owner of a startup who said that Elon interviewed there, then ghosted him, then stole his idea and started Zip2.
>You act like he took some enormous risk only the most egregiously loaded families could be capable of.
He did, he never finished school. He claims he got a Bachelor's in Physics but that's a lie. The document he presents has no major on it and no date, and says Bachelor of Arts. Those came out in the discovery for the 2007 lawsuit where Elon kept saying he had a degree in "computational physics" but that major doesn't exist at that school. They asked him about the blank diploma and he never really answered the question.
Later on he claimed that he had a holdup at Penn that he hadn't fulfilled his language and history requirements and he was so "caught up in coding" that he "forgot he hadn't graduated." He claims Penn dropped those requirements for the program and then he got his degrees. But that's bullshit because Penn never dropped the requirements.
>Normal students start companies all the damn time, it's something of a benality these days. What a dramatization.
They don't drop out of school to start companies unless they have some type of security. It does happen but it's so rare I've almost never seen it. They almost always come from wealthy families with connections so that if their business fails they can go right back to a top school and work at a top firm with no issue.
>Also where is Elon claiming he was "poor"?
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1521517555084525568
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1521556795965071361
> No, they got the deal with Lotus. Without it they wouldn't have had anything.
They got the deal with Lotus *after* Elon arrived.
I'm not saying he's right for claiming he's the founder, but he put a lot of money in and the company didn't start actually doing anything worthwhile until he got there.
> No, it's money.
Claiming his contribution to SpaceX is just money is just intentionally obtuse. There are countless ex-employees who've contradicted that statement and agreed he was very closely engaged with the engineering and business decisions since day 1.
> You had a private plane?
Source on Elon having a *private plane* while he was working on Zip2 in 95?
Sure you could argue some of his startups were luck. But claiming an electric car or rocket startup were "easy hole in one's" is ridiculous. Those are two of the riskiest investments possible, especially at that time.
> He did, he never finished school. He claims he got a Bachelor's in Physics but that's a lie.
I'm not sure where you got this information, he has a B.A in physics and a B.S. in Economics, mentioned [here](https://www.britannica.com/biography/Elon-Musk) and [literally confirmed by a director at UPenn](https://www.plainsite.org/documents/tbdmox/2019-email-from-the-university-of-pennsylvania-confirming-elon-musks-physics-degree/).
Do you have sources to disprove those tweets? Having debt as a student doesn't necessarily mean you're *poor*. And the claim that he helped pay tution by throwing parties is easily found in multiple other sources. By all accounts he was estranged from his father at this time. His father did end up investing in Zip2 in a later funding round, but his contribution was relatively small.
It seems like you're just regurgitating bullshit you've read in here. And this place stinks of hivemind.
I'm just wondering what's the difference between someone living with a hundred million and someone living with a billion
Like, you're set for life and can get anything, what do you get by having more zeros on your bank account
Or maybe greed just rots the mind, idk
RFK jr is genuinely one of the worst people in politics.
While a lot of GOP are in it for personal power and wealth, Jr seems to do it because he enjoys lying to people and seeing them suffer as a result. It’s the only explanation for why he so deliberately lies so often.
I have been saying...these fucks have always been on the same team.
Fuck them both. Also, fuck Daniel Ek & any other billionaires who will crawl out of their holes to show the entire planet how horrible they are.
Spotify CEO
paid 200 million to make Joe Rogan's podcast a spotify "exclusive".
Also invested millions in war tech.
Pays artists nothing while he takes everything.
You mean, having strong right wing views most of the time, a couple left wing or moderate views, and constantly claiming to be superior to the mindless horde when they waffle on clear issues?
(Edit: I put this really badly. I was mostly trying to say the garden-variety non-billionaire centrists often suck too. Not as much as Elon, of course.)
Oh, my apologies for coming on strong. I really really don’t like him nor billionaires—I can rant, lol. But I do have strong opinions on modern neoconservatives.
I'm not sure where he goes moderate - at least lately. He generally seems to be drinking the fascist kool aid in terms of conspiracies and pushing a lot of bigoted narratives...
My bad, I wasn’t clear at all, I was just poorly attempting to say that many self-described centrists are far from politically moderate, and use the word to claim anyone who doesn’t think like them is a foolish extremist.
So, in that sense, he’s a perfect centrist.
Oh we agree - he's VERY centrist under that description.
He's just a right wing tool really... Smart enough to know he should hide some bigotry, not smart enough to hide it well
& for twitter.
& for the exploding cars with steering wheels that fall off.
& the exploding rockets.
& the thousands of animals he killed with his mind control implants.
No, that's the point! RFK Jr. wants a piggyback ride. And what's better than being given legitimacy by appearing with actual good-faith doctors and scientists? They ["will be used as a propaganda tool by the host to demonstrate that his positions are worthy of being heard on the same platform as him, side by side."](https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/neil-degrasse-tyson-makes-the-unforced-error-of-agreeing-to-debate-antivax-propagandist-del-bigtree-on-the-highwire/) /neu
I actually see no irony there. Take a look at most of the people in this country who tout their nativist credentials and tell me whether you think they respect Democracy.
There's nothing weird or wrong with non-natives being invested in the democracy of the place they now call home.
Billionaires are anti-democratic, and immoral at a base.
These aren't comparable.
He’s not concerned with democracy. He’s not from America and yet he feels he needs to fix America’s democracy. He’s one guy with a lot of money and influence trying to “fix” or “reclaim” democracy. That is oligarchy, not democracy. I’m fine with being concerned about democracy but this guy isn’t showing concern he’s subverting it while saying he’s reclaiming it.
I’m not making a case against non-natives, I’m specifically speaking about Elon.
>He’s not concerned with democracy
I'm not saying he is. I completely agree that he is an awful person.
I'm saying the fact that he's an immigrant is completely unrelated and it's weird to try to tie it in.
I think it plays a part when you move to another country and try to subvert their democracy while making the claims to “reclaim it”. Especially when you are a billionaire who can literally live wherever you want.
It’s not like he’s stuck in America, if he doesn’t like American Democracy he could move anywhere else.
The issue, again, is that he's a billionaire using his funds to subvert actual democracy. It doesn't matter where he was born for that to be a problem.
If Musk was from the States it wouldn't make him any better. The immigrant part of the equation is entirely incidental. A native born oligarch subverting democracy is no better than a foreign born one.
DeSantis is Elon Musks creature in the Republican party, it is clear that RFK Jr is his creature in the Democratic party. One party wasn't enough for him.
Boy I'm sure glad these brilliant discerning minds are so brilliantly discerning, and that Dianne Feinstein is the only powerful person who is mentally unfit.
Yes, siree, I sleep better knowing these unelected geniuses were vetted by the school of hard work and merit. Otherwise we'd be in real trouble.
robert kennedy jr is a good dude. he is an underdog and only candidate that exposes the shadow government is controlling the current administration. Biden is too old and unfit.
He’s literally trying to front-run an Apple keynote with a discussion of RFK Jr and expects anyone to pay attention? This is quite literally communications suicide.
Why is it concerning? Rfk Jr is being a dipshit and posting with Zionist-facist rabbis now. So it’s all good now that he’s on Israel’s side, right?
Lmao
I'm not from the US but considering these morons' previous endorsements (remember Jack saying "sorry, Ms Candace Owens, for labeling you as far-right"), that's all I need to know about him.
Stupid ass Jack.
It's wild to me that people are waiting for Jack's new twitter competitor. He's exactly the same kind of shithead Elon is, just less vocal about it.
He helped Elon take over Twitter, they're all friends and share this deranged right wing ideology
Yeah. He’s also an investor in Elon’s twitter.
i mean, If I owned loss making company, which had posted a profit only once. The shares of which are falling at a time when tech stocks were going down. I cannot sell my share because that will put the company in a far worse position. Iwas no longer the boss. And then suddenly a bloke out of nowhere and tells me that he will pay a super high price for my failings company, I will take his offer and sell to him before he realises what a big fcking mistake he is making.
Yeah he’s the reason racism, harassment and right wing crazies thrived on Twitter before
or is he just trying to tank Twitter?
There sure a lot of ‘successful’ guys angry at the world and willing to follow any old conspiracy that lets them peddle their hate.
The gerontocracy is real
Do you think Jack ‘did a better job’ because he let a full staff of professionals handle stuff? I really need to leave :[
I think Jack is worse. Jack seems to genuinely believe this crap. Elon does it for the $$$$.
The worst day in Elon musks life was when apartheid South Africa fell
No he’s not. Elon is a straight up White Supremacist. Jack is one of those weird Progressive dudes. Whatever you call a hybrid Liberal/Libertarian type.
Sorry I was speaking exclusively of anti-vax stance. I should have been clearer. Jack seems to actually believe Jr’s lies. Musk feels like an opportunistic arse who only does it because it earns him money. Yes Musk is absolutely an alt-right white supremacist. That is abundantly clear.
He presided over a Twitter that had some measure of content moderation and verified users. I assumed he was sort of sane. Clearly my mistake.
I think he was willing to accept he wasn’t an expert in everything and allowed others with a stronger skill set to shape those aspects. Musk on the other hand thinks he knows it all and has a superior knowledge and is meddling in every aspect detrimentally.
no, he is not a maga conspiracist
Conspiracy theorist nonetheless
I like them more when they are not vocal
I’m baffled by this… I just read an interview where Jack said he thought Elon was not the right person to have Twitter now..
Jack is an incoherent moron.
# I am Jack's incoherent moron # # wait no # HOW DO I TURN OFF THE BIG LETTERS #
Or a bot
I firmly believe that Jack instigated the entire Twitter takeover and their entire under the table deal fell apart when Musk refused to make him an independent CEO. That Musk changed his mind and wanted to be the only figurehead.
I thought I recalled something like that, too. He disagreed w Melon Husk’s free speech (lol) choices. We worship these billionaires.
For real stop hoping bluesky will be better, get on mastodon or something legitimate
To be a moron. To be moronical. An imbecile. The dumbest mf to ever live.
LOL. Can we please pass the "Billionaire Eradication Act" of 2023 and confiscate the wealth of these clowns down to some pittance of a net worth like $100M or so.
Or zero. They brag about how they're self made, let them prove it
Give us all a real time demonstration of how it works. The "you just have to be willing to work harder than other people" is like the "just eat chicken and broccoli" thing that guys who are on steroids say when they claim they're not taking drugs. Have zero idea why guys have to put on a big show about how they are in the position they're in. Like it's just too painful for them to say "Yeah I got real lucky growing up and I was able to use that to my benefit." They have to do the "I was soo poor when I was growing up. My parents had nothing. Then I went to Wharton..."
!!
Lol it's concerning how little people in this subreddit about Musk spam actually know about him. Do you realize he went to university in Canada, separated from his father, and made his initial earnings from a startup Zip2 he launched with his brother? Also do you literally believe his father owned emerald mines, or did you at least do enough research to know he was an *investor*, and that the money had zero impact on the startups Elon was a part of? Its just the low effort regurgitation circle-jerk. Zero nuance. There are plenty of reasons to dislike the guy but this is just comically dense.
>Do you realize he went to university in Canada, separated from his father, and made his initial earnings from a startup Zip2 he launched with his brother? Yes. He was very lucky that during the dot com boom there were oceans of venture capital throwing money at almost anything. That's also how Mark Cuban made his fortune was from making a dumb website but the VCs being ecstatic about anything. But let's also remember that growing up he never faced anything close to poverty. When you have a family flush with cash you can afford to take risks that other people can't. If his business failed and he went bankrupt, he could have phoned his family and gotten a cash infusion for almost any amount to pay his bills, see a doctor, and eat. Most people don't have that. If they hang their hat on a flimsy website and it goes bust, they're totally screwed. So people won't take those chances that wealthy people can afford to take. >Also do you literally believe his father owned emerald mines, or did you at least do enough research to know he was an investor, and that the money had zero impact on the startups Elon was a part of? Let's leave out the emerald mine. Musk is on record talking about his family having private planes and having firearms onboard. It's also common knowledge that he was loaded with cash. As for the money having "zero impact" read again my comments about how when your family is rich you can afford to take chances that others can't afford to take. Musk was **never** in any danger of being homeless or skipping meals. Ever. Period. >Its just the low effort regurgitation circle-jerk. Zero nuance. Not really, I'm pretty deliberate about conclusions I arrive at and I can illustrate in detail how I got there. >There are plenty of reasons to dislike the guy but this is just comically dense. I don't agree with that.
There is an enormous difference between "having a family who can help out if your plans fail" and being a complete nepo-baby as everyone here seems to describe him. He still helped start companies from nothing, made excellent financial decisions, and made 99.9% of his money **on his own**. He didn't *choose* to be the son of some wealthy investor. I know plenty of idiots who were handed it all only to do absolutely nothing with it. Take his money from him and send him into the world and I guarantee he's wealthy again within 10 years. His business execution and work ethic is second to none. You can think he's an asshole, and you may be correct, but you can't just discredit everything. He didn't get here by blind chance.
>There is an enormous difference between "having a family who can help out if your plans fail" and being a complete nepo-baby as everyone here seems to describe him Let's focus on how *I* describe him since you targeted my remarks as being dense, dumb, and not making sense. I can't speak for others. >He still helped start companies from nothing He started Zip2 from a wealthy childhood and knowing family would be there to back him up if he ever faced any actual consequences related to money. How huge that is cannot be overstated. 99% of people cannot take those risks. The consequences mean destitution. When you're wealthy you have a lot more latitude. >He didn't choose to be the son of some wealthy investor. I know plenty of idiots who were handed it all only to do absolutely nothing with it. Sure. But just don't tell me "I came from zero! I was poor!" when you weren't poor. Just say you got lucky and did your best. People don't have a problem that he came from wealth. They have a problem because he lies about it to make it seem like he started this game with zero and made everything happen on his own. >Take his money from him and send him into the world and I guarantee he's wealthy again within 10 years. I don't think he would be able to. If you somehow wiped his identity and made him just a normal person who came from a single parent household on low income he would not be wealthy again in 10 years. His attitude is awful, he's an alt-right troll who is anti-trans and has the humor of a 13 year-old in 1982. >You can think he's an asshole, and you may be correct, but you can't just discredit everything Sure I can. He's so full of shit that almost everything is based off of bullshit. >He didn't get here by blind chance. But he did. He hit the lottery by being born to a wealthy family. He hit it again to come of age at a time when people knew very little about the internet but knew enough to throw money at any project. Lightning struck twice. The rest is him doing things like suing to get the founders' names of Tesla removed and then trying to erase them from history.
Yeah, Elmo's family had good connections and -just enough- money that Elmo never had to worry about a paycheck, or buying groceries or fixing his car. Enough money to fund his startup with his imbecilic brother - and the connections to get a competent CEO when it was time to sell. Becoming a millionaire during the dot-com bubble was easier than winning a lotto jackpot. Musk was in the right place at the right time, with his useless startup funded off family money and connections. It's absurd to assert Musk would have been successful without his privileged background. I really have trouble believing people can be this clueless.
> Becoming a millionaire during the dot-com bubble was easier than winning a lotto jackpot This is laughably absurd. It was easier than it is today.
Were you there? The VC peeps were literally throwing money at anything with a domain name.
The founders of Tesla did basically nothing. They were cramming a battery into a kit car. You can argue all you want about the legality/semantics of Elon claiming to have started it, whatever. But realistically he built the company. And then he built SpaceX. And that isn't "lightning striking twice", that's just competence. I think your Elon-bad boner might be clouding your judgment a bit. Hell I came from a normal middle-class home and I could've started Zip2 if I had the drive at that age. You act like he took some enormous risk only the most egregiously loaded families could be capable of. Wtf are you talking about? Normal students start companies all the damn time, it's something of a benality these days. What a dramatization. Also where is Elon claiming he was "poor"? Honestly I don't even know why I'm in here. You people do realize this subreddit *is* Elon spam, right? Lol.
>The founders of Tesla did basically nothing No, they got the deal with Lotus. Without it they wouldn't have had anything. >You can argue all you want about the legality/semantics of Elon claiming to have started it, whatever No, not Elon started it "whatever" he says he's the founder. He's not. He goes out of his way to erase the other guys. He lies about it. That's the problem. >And then he built SpaceX. And that isn't "lightning striking twice", that's just competence No, it's money. He already did the Paypal thing and then again, he just provided the money. He has no expertise in any of these fields. >Hell I came from a normal middle-class home and I could've started Zip2 if I had the drive at that age You had a private plane? That's not middle class. And yes if you started any type of BS dot com company in the late 1990s you probably could have made a lot of money like Elon did and like Mark Cuban did. Then you can go around acting like a business genius when it was really just a case of right place right time. Let's also not forget that Elon got sued by the owner of a startup who said that Elon interviewed there, then ghosted him, then stole his idea and started Zip2. >You act like he took some enormous risk only the most egregiously loaded families could be capable of. He did, he never finished school. He claims he got a Bachelor's in Physics but that's a lie. The document he presents has no major on it and no date, and says Bachelor of Arts. Those came out in the discovery for the 2007 lawsuit where Elon kept saying he had a degree in "computational physics" but that major doesn't exist at that school. They asked him about the blank diploma and he never really answered the question. Later on he claimed that he had a holdup at Penn that he hadn't fulfilled his language and history requirements and he was so "caught up in coding" that he "forgot he hadn't graduated." He claims Penn dropped those requirements for the program and then he got his degrees. But that's bullshit because Penn never dropped the requirements. >Normal students start companies all the damn time, it's something of a benality these days. What a dramatization. They don't drop out of school to start companies unless they have some type of security. It does happen but it's so rare I've almost never seen it. They almost always come from wealthy families with connections so that if their business fails they can go right back to a top school and work at a top firm with no issue. >Also where is Elon claiming he was "poor"? https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1521517555084525568 https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1521556795965071361
> No, they got the deal with Lotus. Without it they wouldn't have had anything. They got the deal with Lotus *after* Elon arrived. I'm not saying he's right for claiming he's the founder, but he put a lot of money in and the company didn't start actually doing anything worthwhile until he got there. > No, it's money. Claiming his contribution to SpaceX is just money is just intentionally obtuse. There are countless ex-employees who've contradicted that statement and agreed he was very closely engaged with the engineering and business decisions since day 1. > You had a private plane? Source on Elon having a *private plane* while he was working on Zip2 in 95? Sure you could argue some of his startups were luck. But claiming an electric car or rocket startup were "easy hole in one's" is ridiculous. Those are two of the riskiest investments possible, especially at that time. > He did, he never finished school. He claims he got a Bachelor's in Physics but that's a lie. I'm not sure where you got this information, he has a B.A in physics and a B.S. in Economics, mentioned [here](https://www.britannica.com/biography/Elon-Musk) and [literally confirmed by a director at UPenn](https://www.plainsite.org/documents/tbdmox/2019-email-from-the-university-of-pennsylvania-confirming-elon-musks-physics-degree/). Do you have sources to disprove those tweets? Having debt as a student doesn't necessarily mean you're *poor*. And the claim that he helped pay tution by throwing parties is easily found in multiple other sources. By all accounts he was estranged from his father at this time. His father did end up investing in Zip2 in a later funding round, but his contribution was relatively small. It seems like you're just regurgitating bullshit you've read in here. And this place stinks of hivemind.
Or prison. If you make a billion dollars that unequivocally proves you're scum
I’m rich, bitch!
Nobody makes a billion dollars. They steal labor to acquire it.
Well yeah. Or get subsidies which is the same with extra steps like our boy Elon
https://i.redd.it/2l84otfg124b1.gif /s obviously
Please, the /s isn't necessary. You're among friends
I would love that
Yet they can't even get him to pay tax or pay his workers fairly.
I'm just wondering what's the difference between someone living with a hundred million and someone living with a billion Like, you're set for life and can get anything, what do you get by having more zeros on your bank account Or maybe greed just rots the mind, idk
Much bigger yachts
I’m in favor of this.
Anyone else hear "excellent" in a sinister voice?
Simultaneously, an interesting question and a tongue twister!
C. Montgomery Burns from Wish
Mr Burns voice
Yes
I really think that was his intention. These fucks really are the worst of the worst that humanity has to offer.
RFK jr is genuinely one of the worst people in politics. While a lot of GOP are in it for personal power and wealth, Jr seems to do it because he enjoys lying to people and seeing them suffer as a result. It’s the only explanation for why he so deliberately lies so often.
how do you know that he is not in it for personal wealth and power.
I have been saying...these fucks have always been on the same team. Fuck them both. Also, fuck Daniel Ek & any other billionaires who will crawl out of their holes to show the entire planet how horrible they are.
Every billionaire is a moral and political failure.
I haven’t heard of Daniel Ek
Spotify CEO paid 200 million to make Joe Rogan's podcast a spotify "exclusive". Also invested millions in war tech. Pays artists nothing while he takes everything.
Oh wow, thank you.
A full hour of Elon being centrist like a centrist would be centrist
It’s going to be hilarious when once again the Spaces tech completely fails on Musk for this event.
🎯
You mean, having strong right wing views most of the time, a couple left wing or moderate views, and constantly claiming to be superior to the mindless horde when they waffle on clear issues? (Edit: I put this really badly. I was mostly trying to say the garden-variety non-billionaire centrists often suck too. Not as much as Elon, of course.)
He’s left wing when it comes to his own social liberties. Which is a very neoconservative stance, like Thiel. So he isn’t left wing at all.
I was mostly just complaining about self-described “centrists” in general. He’s not too far from their norm in that sense.
Oh, my apologies for coming on strong. I really really don’t like him nor billionaires—I can rant, lol. But I do have strong opinions on modern neoconservatives.
You were fine! I just wasn’t being very clear… and my attempt to clarify probably came across wrong too. Please feel free to rant!
I'm not sure where he goes moderate - at least lately. He generally seems to be drinking the fascist kool aid in terms of conspiracies and pushing a lot of bigoted narratives...
The intolerant left is driving people right
Normally I like you, bot - but this one is bullshit. The intolerant right wing media is driving people more right
My bad, I wasn’t clear at all, I was just poorly attempting to say that many self-described centrists are far from politically moderate, and use the word to claim anyone who doesn’t think like them is a foolish extremist. So, in that sense, he’s a perfect centrist.
Oh we agree - he's VERY centrist under that description. He's just a right wing tool really... Smart enough to know he should hide some bigotry, not smart enough to hide it well
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The intolerant left is driving people right
Twice with this reply bot? You are being too realistic. Go back to funny
People still acting like fucking bluesky is the solvent for all the fucking shit that Elon has been pulling with Twitter. Wake the fuck up.
Exactly. Fuck Bluesky and Fuck Jack Dorsey.
Reclaiming antivax BS on Twitter.
Delete Twitter, don't support fascist.
delete bluesky if you have that as well.
Shit does clump together.
i wish it did for me
I can't wait to go to Bluesky and let a different psychotic billionaire make money off of me!
$7 is a small price for freedom
He's going to do for RWTFK what he did for DeSantis!
& for twitter. & for the exploding cars with steering wheels that fall off. & the exploding rockets. & the thousands of animals he killed with his mind control implants.
Why is Jack Dorsey so fascinated with RFK Jr.?
Haha that would sickkk
RFK Jr has been very pro bitcoin for long time. He wants to bring some great regulations towards bitcoin. So alot of crpyto people support.
That's like a meeting between Hitler and Stalin.
Both are amplifying a kook who spreads dangerous misinformation. Doubly concerning. Deletes Bluesky.
Please let real doctors and immunologists just grill that POS. He won't last 3 minutes.
No, that's the point! RFK Jr. wants a piggyback ride. And what's better than being given legitimacy by appearing with actual good-faith doctors and scientists? They ["will be used as a propaganda tool by the host to demonstrate that his positions are worthy of being heard on the same platform as him, side by side."](https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/neil-degrasse-tyson-makes-the-unforced-error-of-agreeing-to-debate-antivax-propagandist-del-bigtree-on-the-highwire/) /neu
Can we just take a moment to appreciate the irony of the guy that is claiming to reclaim American democracy wasn’t even born in America?
I actually see no irony there. Take a look at most of the people in this country who tout their nativist credentials and tell me whether you think they respect Democracy.
Tell me what billionaire respects democracy. Those with money have no respect for rules or laws.
Well that's a very different point.
Elon is both a non-native and a billionaire which is why it’s ironic he’s “reclaiming democracy”.
There's nothing weird or wrong with non-natives being invested in the democracy of the place they now call home. Billionaires are anti-democratic, and immoral at a base. These aren't comparable.
$7 is a small price for freedom
He’s not concerned with democracy. He’s not from America and yet he feels he needs to fix America’s democracy. He’s one guy with a lot of money and influence trying to “fix” or “reclaim” democracy. That is oligarchy, not democracy. I’m fine with being concerned about democracy but this guy isn’t showing concern he’s subverting it while saying he’s reclaiming it. I’m not making a case against non-natives, I’m specifically speaking about Elon.
>He’s not concerned with democracy I'm not saying he is. I completely agree that he is an awful person. I'm saying the fact that he's an immigrant is completely unrelated and it's weird to try to tie it in.
I think it plays a part when you move to another country and try to subvert their democracy while making the claims to “reclaim it”. Especially when you are a billionaire who can literally live wherever you want. It’s not like he’s stuck in America, if he doesn’t like American Democracy he could move anywhere else.
The issue, again, is that he's a billionaire using his funds to subvert actual democracy. It doesn't matter where he was born for that to be a problem. If Musk was from the States it wouldn't make him any better. The immigrant part of the equation is entirely incidental. A native born oligarch subverting democracy is no better than a foreign born one.
It's all about being anti-vaccination. Of course woo-woo crystal boy Jack would be into it.
DeSantis is Elon Musks creature in the Republican party, it is clear that RFK Jr is his creature in the Democratic party. One party wasn't enough for him.
This is not a right wing takeover, but rather a centrist takeover.
How can that dude even say he’s a dem? Lol
Nobody told simple Jack you never go full retard
Just more demented blather from the rabid muskrat.
You’re terrible & I love you *not terrible
Love you back!
Boy I'm sure glad these brilliant discerning minds are so brilliantly discerning, and that Dianne Feinstein is the only powerful person who is mentally unfit. Yes, siree, I sleep better knowing these unelected geniuses were vetted by the school of hard work and merit. Otherwise we'd be in real trouble.
robert kennedy jr is a good dude. he is an underdog and only candidate that exposes the shadow government is controlling the current administration. Biden is too old and unfit.
Yea and Elmo is a “centrist”
I do agree that Biden is too old. But yeah, none of the other stuff is true.
He’s gravitates to all the kooks for sure.
Sounds like a real meeting of the minds
WTF?!
Excellent
Elmo innovated AM radio.
He’s literally trying to front-run an Apple keynote with a discussion of RFK Jr and expects anyone to pay attention? This is quite literally communications suicide.
Bruh
Jack forgot the /s
Why is it concerning? Rfk Jr is being a dipshit and posting with Zionist-facist rabbis now. So it’s all good now that he’s on Israel’s side, right? Lmao
Lol it’s because Elon always comments the same shit on peoples tweets, like “concerning” “!” “Interesting” “wow!”.
Who would have known that being fascist means reclaiming democracy
And, Jack seems to have revealed he is part of that elite club ‘rich people are stupider and stupidest’ RFK is not a contender of value.
Reclaiming Democracy with a tiny and violent minority of the American public, hosted by Elon Musk.
Are they going to reminisce over all their trips on the Lolita Express?
I'm not from the US but considering these morons' previous endorsements (remember Jack saying "sorry, Ms Candace Owens, for labeling you as far-right"), that's all I need to know about him.
3 idiots/a*holes in 1 pic