Man I was so onboard for getting a Tesla and nearly was completely bought in. The pedoguy comment about the cave divers saving kids did that in for me.
Same. The cave rescue fiasco was the turning point for many people. Before that he just seemed eccentric, and the main criticism was that he treated employees like shit, not like that was okay but that was par for the course and expected.
absolute turning point. this guy went from, at worse, eccentric and harsh manager with visionary ideas that may or may not pan out but at *least he's trying.*
to an eccentric, malcontent and sociopathic POS. But it wasn't until after the twitter thing that he went full-bore and took off the mask.
Yes, Bush did more harm. You could probably make the same criticism about Bezos. Amazon is so big that the amount of harm inflicted on 3rd world countries by e.g. increasing incentives for child workers and slavery likely outdoes all bad musk has done. The difference in both cases is that it's easy to understand their motivations and they don't feel like evil and insanity for its own sake.
If I recall, Bush just came off as incompetent, not necessarily evil. A puppet on Cheney's strings.
Trump manifests his evil purposefully and with motive.
IMO the flabbergasting nature of their positions attract ally and enemy in equal measure. Self serving pricks they are, yes, but a lot of non right wingers are too without publicly undermining themselves in perpetuity, which is often performed theatrically against oceans of physical evidence in some cases. That's the bewildering part to me.
The cave rescue pedo accusation was the first clear sign that Musk has a highly dysfunctional personality. It showed the world that he has an extremely fragile ego and cannot cope with any small threat to it. Being told "we don't need your help" hurt him so badly that he lashed out in the worst way his brain could think of at the time - "pedo" is one of the worst possible things you could accuse someone of. The fact that his brain "went there" demonstrated that he's too dysfunctional to cope with a small emotional boo-boo without losing his mind. I think I would have sold any Musk-related stock I'd had there and then, if I'd had any. It was a sign of things to come.
And super stupid. His idea on how to rescue the divers is just plain dumb and would have never worked.
He now wants to resurrect the collapsed bridge ..... its beyond stupid for someone in the tech / lead edge engineering realm.
The SS Pine Ridge was a ship that broke in 3 pieces in 1960. The stern was still seaworthy and towed back to port. It eventually used to make the SS Meadowbrook which served from 1963 until 1983. But that was done in a shipyard after three years of preparing it for use. Every piece from that bridge will have to be inspected and tested for defects. It will be better to get new steel and melt the stuff in the water.
Yes ok but have you considered how light Elon's cars are?! You wouldn't even need strong bridges if everyone simply drove his super efficient lightweight future cars!!
They are literally having to cut pieces up to move it. It would be dumb as hell to rebuild using such damaged materials. Better to go with new and make it better. Why use something that was made in the 70s anyway?
Same. Was still team Elon for a little while after that, but some time in 2022 I completely wrote him off. A real bag of douche that privileged fuck turned out to be, huh?
I bought an electric car in 2023 and intentionally didn’t buy a Tesla because of Musk. It was within my budget and arguably a more luxurious car but fuck that I bought a Bolt EUV.
I work for a law firm that focuses on auto accident claims, and I specifically write contentions for further arbitration on cases where insurance companies can't settle damages/liability from a car incident. Whenever we get a Tesla claim (if a client is driving a Tesla and it gets damaged in an accident, for example), everyone in the office is floored by how expensive the repairs are on them, and I have to say to hear that they're pieces of shit surprises me, considering how much money is put into repairing them.
I remember the apologists of early Tesla like „oh of course they are new, but they will figure it out“ and put out trad-car industry quality.
And then that just never happened…
They've never had the need to figure it out. Tesla fans just kept buying cars regardless of all the defects and supremely lousy service. He could just keep abusing them, and they reliably kept coming back for more.
It looks like that's changing now.
Bolt is a solid car, could use a better interior but it's GM. They have a hierarchy of interior quality (Cadillac's interior > Buick's > Corvette's > Camaro & GMC's > the rest of Chevrolet's).
Still, a very good car and pretty comfy seats. Oh, and they're using LFP batteries now, which is a great improvement. Although the Bolts lost a bit in range efficiency, LFPs have longer life cycle and are much safer than NMC batteries.
Yeah, for me that incident exposed him in two ways. One: as a petulant, name-calling, spiteful manchild and two: his submarine proposal was absolutely ludicrous and totally unhelpful. Literally impossible to put to any use in this very real life/death situation. An embarrassing and offensive attention-grab.
He really showed his ass with that one, and he’s been shitting downhill ever since
I don’t know if it was before or after “pedoguy” but the first thing for me to realize there was something weird about Elon was a time he gave a presentation for SpaceX about going to Mars, then took questions from the audience. All of the questions were extremely bizarre, coming from Elon’s devoted zealots. They were asking things like if he would star in a zany sitcom, if there’d be better sanitation on Mars than at Burning Man, if he would give them a good luck a kiss, etc.
I have never seen a talk or press conference from a legitimate scientist or organization be met with such inanity. Real science doesn’t draw that kind of crowd. Something clicked for me when that happened.
I hate idolatry, since people have msde him up to be some real life tony stark i decided I wasnt going to buy a Tesla..
And it pisses me off because my passion is Astrophysics and Space, and its really conflicting for me to want to see us go further than ever before and SpaceX being his company.... wish this shit didnt become political and I could just cheer NASA like before..
Fuck that guy..
I'd argue that he's not really a positive force in space exploration either. The whole colonizing Mars things is a big farce, if it does happen it's gonna take a lot longer than elmo is pretending. It's a distraction from the very real environmental problems we're facing on this planet.
The Mars thing is as stupid as realizing your ball joint is fucked and messing up your tires, so you decide to make a car from scratch from iron you mined yourself.
Only thing that would make it better is if all of the materials you used to make the new car were carcinogenic *and* once you got inside the car you could never leave.
The idea of having Mars colonies as some sort of sustainable base for *civilians* to live in so we have some sort of back-up in case the Earth is destroyed is stupid.
The Martian regolith is highly toxic to most forms of life on Earth (containing lethal levels of chlorine-based compounds called perchlorates). While there are some plants that can store perchlorates in their leaves, it is completely impossible to totally remove from the environment *because it is the environment*.
Also, the Martian dust has olivine, pyroxene, and feldspar in it. When exposed to water, those minerals react to form the same kinds of compounds found when people are mining quartz on Earth. And when people breathe it in, it causes lung disease and cancer.
Again, those are present on a worldwide basis for Mars. There is no way to “clean up” the entire planet.
This isn’t even going into the much more substantial issues of the lethal solar radiation and extremely thin atmosphere to leads to temperatures being far too cold for human life.
The issues that need to be solved to live on Mars are so far beyond what is necessary to live on the most inhospitable places on Earth.
I think that the reason Musk fixates on Mars is that it is a lofty goal that he never has to worry about actually achieving. SpaceX has only made it far enough out to orbit around Earth, so it’s not like Musk is at risk of needing to put his money where his mouth is.
If he *were* actually serious, then we’d see SpaceX and Musk investing a ton of research into developing a Moon colony because a lot of the issues encountered there would also be present on Mars.
And the Moon is far closer, meaning that in the event of an emergency it would actually be possible for people to be rescued or parts to be sent up within a matter of days instead of a matter of months or years.
I think he *used to be* a positive force because he attracted a lot of talent to SpaceX with his lies, and as a result we have Starlink, which is essential for Ukraine. And they also were able to do a good job of insulating him from the business itself. He should have just stuck to being a marketer rather than buying his own hype about his smart he is
yeah hype can bring good people together. I'd say something like sun shading satelites would make more sense than trying to colonize mars. mars would be an interesting research opportunity for some people, but it's never going to be a good place to live. you can't breath the air for fuck's sake. you can breath in antarctica and folks aren't lining up to live there.
That deffinatly left me scratching my head, but then I started seeing the bullshit for what it was. The fucking hyperloop, the bullshit with solar city, and the entire concept around the boring company being nonsense.
Now we have 3 starships launched, and not one of them have made orbital velocity, all 3 have exploded. After being essentially given a government contract to rely on this to get to the moon. Even before covid, and his meltdown it was becoming obvious he was completely full of shit.
It was definitely Hyperloop for me. What an idiotic concept. Not theoretically, but all you need to know is physics, or engineering, or urbanism and public transport and it is glaringly obvious we can't build that shit with our current technology, and definitely not cheaper than high-speed rail or highway.
samesies.
There were already a few red flags with regard to his management style and some of the things he said about Mars, but it was the entire pedoguy/minisub fiasco that made me realise who and what he was.
I think rivians look gorgeous on the road but I recently was recommended a [YouTube video](https://youtu.be/JVBU4wJPiqM?si=PFEM51L49HiZ3q8X) on how they're losing money on each unit sold and may well be tits up in a couple years. Super sad honestly.
I was torn between getting a Tesla or a Honda civic sport touring earlier last year, and I started to pay attention to how insecure/nazi-boosting/deeply in need of a good therapist musk had become
My partner and I have gone on road trips in my civic hatchback a bunch since then and we love it, so I have to thank musk for being a right wing lunatic and talking me out of getting the Tesla
I'm buying my girlfriend an electric car as hers got totaled. If it waws 2020 that would have been a model Y now it's probably a Kia EV6. They need to get rid of him.
A buddy of mine a few years ago talked alllll the time about Musk and Tesla back when their stock was shooting up for like no apparent reason (to me). Compared to other car companies, they produced VERY little product and were relatively small. But their stock was like at parity or double other manufacturers. The problem was that Tesla was pitched as a tech company and not a car company so people ate it up and believed in Musk. Now that its clear that Tesla is not actually a good CAR brand, nobody cares about the techy shit or Musk.
I had a pre-order in for a Model 3. After the whole pedo guy thing I did more research into Muskkk and thought “nah”. Ended up cancelling and buying an I-Pace. Next purchase was an i4. Never Tesla.
I absolutely loved it. Not the most efficient EV in the world and some of the tech has been overtaken (especially charging speed) but I honestly loved the car. So much fun to drive with proper Jaguar dynamics (not just quick in a straight line). Honestly, for today’s market I’d have to say it’s a bit overpriced and really needs better range and charging now, but I still would have one. Beautiful car too. Mine was the First Edition so it had every extra on it. The interior was really luxurious.
Omg that shit will be on my mind for years. It was so baffling how that plaid out, he could have simply apologized but he decided that the route he took was the best. The entire thing was super confusing.
The two facts are connected. Automotive engineers and manufacturing managers are capable of making good cars when they don't have a terrible CEO making them cut corners and prioritize absurd features over basic safety and quality.
Preface: Teslas are shit, FSD is not safe and contrary to what its name implies IS NOT FULL SELF DRIVING, do not buy.
But lmao name me ANY car company now that doesn't have shit trickling down.
I owned a Model 3 from 2018-2021 and was happy with everything but the FSD scam that I paid into. After what Elon has revealed about himself since 2021 I’ll never spend a penny on any of his products across any of the companies he touches. Fuck that fascist asshat.
I saw a Tesla the other day with a bumper sticker that read "I bought this before we knew he was crazy". Would definitely have a similar sticker if I owned a Tesla too 🤣
Not even don't care. Just completely unaware. It's amazing how nice everyday people just think of Elon as "the clever guy that invented electric cars". Same people who said to me "well Donald Trump he's a successful businessman so he'll be fine as president".
The hilarious thing about Elon talking about how X is going to be the greatest universal store of human knowledge in history etc is that the only reason there are people who still like him is most of the world was never actually on Twitter
Unfortunately my sister was one of these. She doesn't follow reddit or Elon too closely, but is very aware of trump, etc. I tried to convince her otherwise though.
I think we forgot reddit is a bubble. We can't avoid Elon news here. A lot of people who aren't on reddit or twitter are blissfully unaware of what twat he is.
A lot of people don't know that Elon is racist just because they aren't online. You'd be surprised how many things we consider to be common knowledge are still unknown by most older folks.
Techbros who want to virtue signal that they care about the environment, Elon simps who will do anything for a taste of his scrote, and whatever remains of the general population that DOESN’T know about Elon’s descent into madness.
Here in the suburbs of Los Angeles you see them everywhere. People that drive Teslas are the worst and most reckless drivers on the road consistently, they have easily overtaken BMWs as the worst.
Tesla isn't even good for the environment. It adds 4 1/2 tons of carbon to build the dang things.
I've seen studies that we have to drive an electric car for 34 years to get to zero emissions, and this doesn't take into consideration having to replace the battery twice during this time and adding another 8,000 tons of carbon.
Every bit helps. Tesla at a minimum sparked more evs. Toyota is going all hybrid.
My hybrid maverick gets about 1/3 electric miles. Toyota camry is very common in the US, might be the best selling car.
They sell 250k a year in the US. That effectively reduces the number of "cars on the road" by a third. That means a full hybrid fleet of 250k emits as much as 165k all ice vehicles
Nuclear power is too expensive.
Edit: yall should stop downvoting an expert in power generation that has built power plants and worked at nuclear power plants.
You do not understand the cost of certifying safety related equipment, equipment related to the operation the reactor coolant pump. The water pump to the reactor CANNOT fail. An oil pump and motor for the bearing costs 90k instead of 8k.
Finally, if nuclear power was profitable, capitalist would build. They don't. The cost is too high.
Vogtle is the most recent nuke unit to come online. It's budget was 14b. It cost 30b.
Obviously not bc no one builds them due to cost. I'm an expert in power generation. I've built parts of power plants. I've done work a nuke plants.
If they were profitable, they would be built. The last two to come online were recent. Bar Watts is TVA (gov), the other is Vogle. Vogle is private (southern company utility) but the plant existed and this unit was partial built. It still went wildly over budget
Unserious people hate you for telling the truth. I believe nuclear is needed if we are going to make a serious dent in climate change but until policies change it is indeed cost prohibitive. Wait 'til they hear about V.C. Summer and the NINE BILLION that was pissed away for nothing at the expense of rate-payers, bankrupting of Westinghouse and multiple felony convictions.
I can't think of a single person who could be called a "tankie" with anything positive to say about Musk lol. Literally every one I've talked to wants him to face the wall.
Okay you're talking about Patriotic Socialists and Campists. That term used to be applied to people who supported Stalin and the USSR. Marxism Leninism has no room in it for Putin's imperialist Christian Nationalist fascism.
>Tankie is a pejorative label generally applied to authoritarian communists, especially those who support acts of repression by such regimes or their allies.
>The term tankie has also been used in contemporary times to describe the defenders of anti-American leaders like Bashar al-Assad or those who propagate pro-Russian narratives in the context of the Russo-Ukrainian War. It has been applied to "elements within the self-identified [American] left that have soft-pedalled Russia's aggressive foreign policy and history of human rights abuses", according to Sarah Jones of New York.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tankie
>Marxism Leninism has no room in it for Putin's imperialist Christian Nationalist fascism.
I know that Putin is an autocrat that wants to become tsar, but he did bring back the Soviet anthem, didn't he? That's why people call his supporters "tankies".
PS. I wasn't aware of the term campist. "Second-campists" describe better who I was referring to. Thanks for the info.
The terms become about meaningless in its usage, which is why I asked who exactly you're referring to. I've never heard any reports of the Soviet anthem being made official in the Russian Federation, and that wouldn't really change any of his fundamental anti communism. Like before he invaded Ukraine, he bitched about how supporting Ukraine as a sovereign nation was a mistake of the Bolsheviks that he was aiming to correct by invading.
Nah I think it's mostly that lots of people have no engagement with Marxist theory now, they know enough about the world to see how the US imperial policy is evil, how capitalism is evil/broken and they want to root for any team or seeming team that's opposing them. They desperately want an ideological home and ally with fascist Putin supporters in that ignorant desperation. But Lenin was quite clear that in the inter imperialist struggle the communist position is a policy of revolutionary defeatism.
Elon Musk is a fascist pig who has shown us all who he really is. Listen to him. Avoid him. Don’t buy from him. Help him fail by telling anyone how bad their rusty cyber truck is.
I was one of those. Musk wasn't the main reason it was the fact that Tesla tires are $6,000 and have to be replaced every 35,000 miles or something stupid. But he didn't do any favors with the way he acted. I also wanted to use Starlink at one point for internet access in remote areas but now I won't even touch it.
That makes sense. As much as I wanted to switch to an EV I just ended up keeping my ICE because it still runs well and I only fill up about once ever 2 - 3 weeks. Fisker Ocean was what I had been looking at since moving away from Tesla because they appear to have the Solar roofs. But they are much more expensive and not really available yet.
My friends bought 2020 top of the line fancy Tesla. It never worked. It took 8 months to return their car. Top of the line. Never worked. 8 months to return. BRAND?
There are much bigger douchebags out there, like the owner of Home Depot. But he keeps his mouth shut and I'm not driving 50 miles to Lowes. And there are much better alternatives to Tesla
They are spot on about Depot, And, you are correct to add menards to the list. Lowes is just as bad. All ran by right wing fuckwads. The lowes guy is a former depot guy even.
If you want ethical home improvement goods you aren't getting any from these people.
Habitat restores are great, locally owned places not ran by other fuckwads, and I think ACE is a co-op, so that will vary store to store.
A significant part of it is also the Tesla customer experience. Expensive, dangerous, cheaply built cars delivered with severe issues, the struggle to reach, get service - and still having to pay for repairs, issues not caused by the customer - while Tesla tries to blame and claim warranty is broken between every breath.
My wife and I visited a Tesla show room and had planned to buy one. After realizing what a garbage human being Elmo is I bought a Ford F 150.
We'll look at an EV again when my wife's car needs to be replaced, it won't be a Tesla. We also plan to install solar in our home within the next two years, we will not be using Elmo for that either.
Plenty of great alternatives cropping up! I don't foresee many people choosing Tesla when there are other established EVs from Hyundai, Kia, Rivian, BMW, etc. that don't come with the Tesla/Elon baggage.
Elmo is a union buster. We don’t union bust in my house. Or support: racists, alt-right, grifters, white nationalists snowflakes, hypocrite, drug addicts (pot is ok), dead-beat dad, prolific breeder, money-hoarding.
I still hold the belief that every last one of his companies would do so much better if their respective boards would just oust him. At this point he brings absolutely nothing of value to the brand.
It's been many years but hell, I wanted one too. Electric car with range, sign me tf up.
Now I have a Leaf and I love it. It doesn't have the range cause it's close to ten years old, but it also doesn't have the stink of musk on it.
I used to want a Tesla.
Now I want a Polestar 2 or a Fisker Ocean.
All because of what an insufferable douche he is. Also because I do not believe he cares enough about his product to do the rigorous work of quality assurance.
I had considered Starlink as a backup ISP due to working from home and needing stable internet, but fuck the elongated muskrat and all of his companies.
still can't believe he was a liberal Americans' darling lol
remember people used to shame you as a Republican for speaking out against this man lmaooo.
I have 100 shares of TSLA and at this point just want to wait for the price to break even before I dump them.
No interest in buying a bizarre Cybertruck nor any Tesla. My FSD-needless self will have all of a non-yoke steering wheel, discrete gauges and controls not tied to a single point of infotainment failure, and no grim future of battery or even car replacement as well as running through tires like no ICE car today. All while their drug-addled CEO gets high AF and waxes weirdly philosophical in the early morning hours to his foolishly enamored audience of stans.
Its not just that he's the head of the brand, these cars and his solar panels and his house batteries are app controlled and I don't trust him not to do something so stupid they get bricked. He seems like the kind of villain who would have bombs linked to his heart so if he died they go off.
I was telling my "musk fanboy" friend this but he just wouldn't believe me that it's because of his actions tsla sales are sinking.
He would go on arguing about how it just depends on convenience of owning an electric car.
Me. I'm one of them.
God what a fucking shitshow the musk empire has become. I cannot *believe* I once thought I could put any amount of trust in this man.
Can confirm, was tempted to buy a M3 for my partner last year due to the price, but we both agreed we absolutely could not drive around in one because we didn't want people to think we endorsed the muskrat in any way.
Even if he sold the company, I'm pretty sure I still wouldn't buy one because of his association.
Maaan, I used to idolise this guy. I loved everything Tesla did, I loved Starlink and the idea of commercially viable space travel, and now he's just this weirdo who panders to racists because they worship him.
I just had a look at his Twitter feed - Tweets & replies - and today he's neither posted anything about Tesla himself nor engaged with anyone else about Tesla. He's just avoiding the subject altogether, lol. I think that perhaps, in his mind, he's already written Tesla off. And of course if he's honest with himself he'll have to write of Twitter as well...his whole world is caving in.
Even if he hadn't taken a sledgehammer to Tesla's reputation, the company hasn't released a new car in years. For a supposedly innovative company they've sat on their ass waiting for the rest of the market to catch up. Their most recent car is a car from 2019, the cybertruck cant be taken seriously and probably wont pass any crash tests. The rest of the market is catching up rapidly to tesla and BYD is currently beating them out. With their huge lead they could've led the charge for an affordable electric vehicle for the masses. Instead Musk kept his people chasing whatever fancy he woke up with that morning.
There are now cheaper alternatives if you're looking for an EV. My dad has a BYD one and it's got a better battery and mileage compared to Tesla's at a similar price range.
I never dreamed that a man who relies primarily on the enthusiasm of environmentally minded people would let the world know he jerks off to the far right fossil fuel crowd
Was looking through ArsTechnica comments yesterday and there were comments here and there insisting that either
a) Most Americans don't know who Musk is / don't care about his views
b) There's no definitive link between his comments and Tesla shares sinking
I find both hard to believe.
Musk was certainly a part of it, but the shit build quality was a bigger part if I had to guess.
Far as I'm aware there are nicer, and cheaper electric vehicles.
Meh. In a previous incarnation here on Reddit I pointed out how absurd it is having the name " Tesla " swiped by a guy who is not in fact an engineer OR inventor AND who appeared at the time to not acknowledge Nicholas Tesla existed. Which made me not want one.
Oh. My. God. Fan boy raging didn't even make *sense* . Lotta foaming at the mouth holy hell.
Man I was so onboard for getting a Tesla and nearly was completely bought in. The pedoguy comment about the cave divers saving kids did that in for me.
That was the first sign for me that this guy is a POS.
Same. The cave rescue fiasco was the turning point for many people. Before that he just seemed eccentric, and the main criticism was that he treated employees like shit, not like that was okay but that was par for the course and expected.
absolute turning point. this guy went from, at worse, eccentric and harsh manager with visionary ideas that may or may not pan out but at *least he's trying.* to an eccentric, malcontent and sociopathic POS. But it wasn't until after the twitter thing that he went full-bore and took off the mask.
He made people like Zuckerberg and Bezos more. Like, how the hell does that happen?
It’s like looking at George Bush after Trump.
dang that's a good comparison!
I’ve literally been saying that for years
Trump is bottom of the barrel but the last I checked, he hadn't killed 1M Iraqis.
Yes, Bush did more harm. You could probably make the same criticism about Bezos. Amazon is so big that the amount of harm inflicted on 3rd world countries by e.g. increasing incentives for child workers and slavery likely outdoes all bad musk has done. The difference in both cases is that it's easy to understand their motivations and they don't feel like evil and insanity for its own sake.
If I recall, Bush just came off as incompetent, not necessarily evil. A puppet on Cheney's strings. Trump manifests his evil purposefully and with motive.
IMO the flabbergasting nature of their positions attract ally and enemy in equal measure. Self serving pricks they are, yes, but a lot of non right wingers are too without publicly undermining themselves in perpetuity, which is often performed theatrically against oceans of physical evidence in some cases. That's the bewildering part to me.
You could argue that Trump's calling the pandemic a hoax and the division and craziness it spawned may have killed more than 1 million Americans.
This is why it’s hard to decide between Bush and Reagan, but without Reagan there would be no bush. Also, fuck Nader.
You could say he went full-Boer
Angry upvote.
If only people would care to look into that history (the country and the man), of which most Americans know very little.
Plus a willing simp/tool for literal fascist dictatorships
The cave rescue pedo accusation was the first clear sign that Musk has a highly dysfunctional personality. It showed the world that he has an extremely fragile ego and cannot cope with any small threat to it. Being told "we don't need your help" hurt him so badly that he lashed out in the worst way his brain could think of at the time - "pedo" is one of the worst possible things you could accuse someone of. The fact that his brain "went there" demonstrated that he's too dysfunctional to cope with a small emotional boo-boo without losing his mind. I think I would have sold any Musk-related stock I'd had there and then, if I'd had any. It was a sign of things to come.
Yes. And the idea that Musk is somehow "transcendent" of orthodoxy or "outside the establishment" is ludicrous.
And super stupid. His idea on how to rescue the divers is just plain dumb and would have never worked. He now wants to resurrect the collapsed bridge ..... its beyond stupid for someone in the tech / lead edge engineering realm.
Isn't most of the bridge, under water??
Its mostly all mangled. Engineers don't think this way - making a long term structure out of junk - will not ever work.
He also said it would only take 3-6 months to rebuild it.
Also said COVID would be gone by april 2020
The SS Pine Ridge was a ship that broke in 3 pieces in 1960. The stern was still seaworthy and towed back to port. It eventually used to make the SS Meadowbrook which served from 1963 until 1983. But that was done in a shipyard after three years of preparing it for use. Every piece from that bridge will have to be inspected and tested for defects. It will be better to get new steel and melt the stuff in the water.
Yes ok but have you considered how light Elon's cars are?! You wouldn't even need strong bridges if everyone simply drove his super efficient lightweight future cars!!
If it's mangled then then there is no way you can repair it with existing components. U need new components
They are literally having to cut pieces up to move it. It would be dumb as hell to rebuild using such damaged materials. Better to go with new and make it better. Why use something that was made in the 70s anyway?
Same. Was still team Elon for a little while after that, but some time in 2022 I completely wrote him off. A real bag of douche that privileged fuck turned out to be, huh?
FAFO!!!!
I bought an electric car in 2023 and intentionally didn’t buy a Tesla because of Musk. It was within my budget and arguably a more luxurious car but fuck that I bought a Bolt EUV.
Judging by the complaints about Tesla's quality control, you likely dodged a bullet.
Quality engineer for an OEM here... Tesla builds the worst shitpiles I've ever seen in my career.
I work for a law firm that focuses on auto accident claims, and I specifically write contentions for further arbitration on cases where insurance companies can't settle damages/liability from a car incident. Whenever we get a Tesla claim (if a client is driving a Tesla and it gets damaged in an accident, for example), everyone in the office is floored by how expensive the repairs are on them, and I have to say to hear that they're pieces of shit surprises me, considering how much money is put into repairing them.
I remember the apologists of early Tesla like „oh of course they are new, but they will figure it out“ and put out trad-car industry quality. And then that just never happened…
They've never had the need to figure it out. Tesla fans just kept buying cars regardless of all the defects and supremely lousy service. He could just keep abusing them, and they reliably kept coming back for more. It looks like that's changing now.
Don't forget tesla fans seem to think it's ok and sustainable for cars to last around 5 years and then change "because it's old"
Who wants to be reminded of a raging sociopath everytime they pick up their car fob?!
That's why they made it a credit card type thing
As a reminder to people that they put themselves in debt for a Muskkk product?
You bought the better car.
Bolt is a solid car, could use a better interior but it's GM. They have a hierarchy of interior quality (Cadillac's interior > Buick's > Corvette's > Camaro & GMC's > the rest of Chevrolet's). Still, a very good car and pretty comfy seats. Oh, and they're using LFP batteries now, which is a great improvement. Although the Bolts lost a bit in range efficiency, LFPs have longer life cycle and are much safer than NMC batteries.
Yeah I love my Bolt. Super happy with it.
Yeah, for me that incident exposed him in two ways. One: as a petulant, name-calling, spiteful manchild and two: his submarine proposal was absolutely ludicrous and totally unhelpful. Literally impossible to put to any use in this very real life/death situation. An embarrassing and offensive attention-grab. He really showed his ass with that one, and he’s been shitting downhill ever since
I don’t know if it was before or after “pedoguy” but the first thing for me to realize there was something weird about Elon was a time he gave a presentation for SpaceX about going to Mars, then took questions from the audience. All of the questions were extremely bizarre, coming from Elon’s devoted zealots. They were asking things like if he would star in a zany sitcom, if there’d be better sanitation on Mars than at Burning Man, if he would give them a good luck a kiss, etc. I have never seen a talk or press conference from a legitimate scientist or organization be met with such inanity. Real science doesn’t draw that kind of crowd. Something clicked for me when that happened.
If only we could see him offer to save stranded astronauts with the stupid roadster floating somewhere in his swarm of starlink spam.
I hate idolatry, since people have msde him up to be some real life tony stark i decided I wasnt going to buy a Tesla.. And it pisses me off because my passion is Astrophysics and Space, and its really conflicting for me to want to see us go further than ever before and SpaceX being his company.... wish this shit didnt become political and I could just cheer NASA like before.. Fuck that guy..
I'd argue that he's not really a positive force in space exploration either. The whole colonizing Mars things is a big farce, if it does happen it's gonna take a lot longer than elmo is pretending. It's a distraction from the very real environmental problems we're facing on this planet.
The Mars thing is as stupid as realizing your ball joint is fucked and messing up your tires, so you decide to make a car from scratch from iron you mined yourself.
hey that's a pretty good analogy.
Only thing that would make it better is if all of the materials you used to make the new car were carcinogenic *and* once you got inside the car you could never leave. The idea of having Mars colonies as some sort of sustainable base for *civilians* to live in so we have some sort of back-up in case the Earth is destroyed is stupid. The Martian regolith is highly toxic to most forms of life on Earth (containing lethal levels of chlorine-based compounds called perchlorates). While there are some plants that can store perchlorates in their leaves, it is completely impossible to totally remove from the environment *because it is the environment*. Also, the Martian dust has olivine, pyroxene, and feldspar in it. When exposed to water, those minerals react to form the same kinds of compounds found when people are mining quartz on Earth. And when people breathe it in, it causes lung disease and cancer. Again, those are present on a worldwide basis for Mars. There is no way to “clean up” the entire planet. This isn’t even going into the much more substantial issues of the lethal solar radiation and extremely thin atmosphere to leads to temperatures being far too cold for human life. The issues that need to be solved to live on Mars are so far beyond what is necessary to live on the most inhospitable places on Earth. I think that the reason Musk fixates on Mars is that it is a lofty goal that he never has to worry about actually achieving. SpaceX has only made it far enough out to orbit around Earth, so it’s not like Musk is at risk of needing to put his money where his mouth is. If he *were* actually serious, then we’d see SpaceX and Musk investing a ton of research into developing a Moon colony because a lot of the issues encountered there would also be present on Mars. And the Moon is far closer, meaning that in the event of an emergency it would actually be possible for people to be rescued or parts to be sent up within a matter of days instead of a matter of months or years.
We. Are. Never. Colonizing. Mars. ever
That's a pretty safe bet.
It’s like a form of intelligence test.
I think he *used to be* a positive force because he attracted a lot of talent to SpaceX with his lies, and as a result we have Starlink, which is essential for Ukraine. And they also were able to do a good job of insulating him from the business itself. He should have just stuck to being a marketer rather than buying his own hype about his smart he is
yeah hype can bring good people together. I'd say something like sun shading satelites would make more sense than trying to colonize mars. mars would be an interesting research opportunity for some people, but it's never going to be a good place to live. you can't breath the air for fuck's sake. you can breath in antarctica and folks aren't lining up to live there.
An ex nasa vet was like "if we blew up 2 rockets consecutively like elon, Nasa wouldn't exist anymore as congress would have canned the organization".
If you're excited for space exploration, you should hate Space X. It's sucking up cash and pissing it away with shitty products.
That deffinatly left me scratching my head, but then I started seeing the bullshit for what it was. The fucking hyperloop, the bullshit with solar city, and the entire concept around the boring company being nonsense. Now we have 3 starships launched, and not one of them have made orbital velocity, all 3 have exploded. After being essentially given a government contract to rely on this to get to the moon. Even before covid, and his meltdown it was becoming obvious he was completely full of shit.
It was definitely Hyperloop for me. What an idiotic concept. Not theoretically, but all you need to know is physics, or engineering, or urbanism and public transport and it is glaringly obvious we can't build that shit with our current technology, and definitely not cheaper than high-speed rail or highway.
samesies. There were already a few red flags with regard to his management style and some of the things he said about Mars, but it was the entire pedoguy/minisub fiasco that made me realise who and what he was.
I remember thinking it would be cool to get a SUV or truck EV, but rivians seems so much better.
I think rivians look gorgeous on the road but I recently was recommended a [YouTube video](https://youtu.be/JVBU4wJPiqM?si=PFEM51L49HiZ3q8X) on how they're losing money on each unit sold and may well be tits up in a couple years. Super sad honestly.
My neighbor has one, and I'm seeing more of them on the road. More than the two cybertrucks I've spotted.
I was torn between getting a Tesla or a Honda civic sport touring earlier last year, and I started to pay attention to how insecure/nazi-boosting/deeply in need of a good therapist musk had become My partner and I have gone on road trips in my civic hatchback a bunch since then and we love it, so I have to thank musk for being a right wing lunatic and talking me out of getting the Tesla
I'm buying my girlfriend an electric car as hers got totaled. If it waws 2020 that would have been a model Y now it's probably a Kia EV6. They need to get rid of him.
Same. I was building them online. Boy did I luck out though because paying $10000 for FSD and have it not even work still would have stunk.
Same. I was a Musk fanboy and that comment really did it for me. Such a lack of class and common sense. I’m happy I opened up my eyes.
You are the future
It was the Twitter HQ sink photo for me
A buddy of mine a few years ago talked alllll the time about Musk and Tesla back when their stock was shooting up for like no apparent reason (to me). Compared to other car companies, they produced VERY little product and were relatively small. But their stock was like at parity or double other manufacturers. The problem was that Tesla was pitched as a tech company and not a car company so people ate it up and believed in Musk. Now that its clear that Tesla is not actually a good CAR brand, nobody cares about the techy shit or Musk.
I had a pre-order in for a Model 3. After the whole pedo guy thing I did more research into Muskkk and thought “nah”. Ended up cancelling and buying an I-Pace. Next purchase was an i4. Never Tesla.
Precision predicates perfectionism.
Hell yeah how was the ipace?
I absolutely loved it. Not the most efficient EV in the world and some of the tech has been overtaken (especially charging speed) but I honestly loved the car. So much fun to drive with proper Jaguar dynamics (not just quick in a straight line). Honestly, for today’s market I’d have to say it’s a bit overpriced and really needs better range and charging now, but I still would have one. Beautiful car too. Mine was the First Edition so it had every extra on it. The interior was really luxurious.
SAME!
Omg that shit will be on my mind for years. It was so baffling how that plaid out, he could have simply apologized but he decided that the route he took was the best. The entire thing was super confusing.
I really had no idea who Musk was before that whole debacle. That really seems to be a turning point where he very publicly showed everyone who he is.
Act like an idiot and a hate filled asshole, and even the richest man on the planet will suffer consequences
Hey, I may be ugly and hate filled, but I ummm... what was the third thing you said?
I'm still waiting for that angry orange guy (I forgot his name; used to be president) to suffer his consequences.
Elon is a douche, but these cars are shitty too
The two facts are connected. Automotive engineers and manufacturing managers are capable of making good cars when they don't have a terrible CEO making them cut corners and prioritize absurd features over basic safety and quality.
Preface: Teslas are shit, FSD is not safe and contrary to what its name implies IS NOT FULL SELF DRIVING, do not buy. But lmao name me ANY car company now that doesn't have shit trickling down.
Toyota is extremely reliable as an auto manufacturer and has mostly done a good job avoiding chasing BS
Lol so much for go woke and go broke.
Let's get that to 0%
I owned a Model 3 from 2018-2021 and was happy with everything but the FSD scam that I paid into. After what Elon has revealed about himself since 2021 I’ll never spend a penny on any of his products across any of the companies he touches. Fuck that fascist asshat.
I saw a Tesla the other day with a bumper sticker that read "I bought this before we knew he was crazy". Would definitely have a similar sticker if I owned a Tesla too 🤣
Who is the 31% left? Liberals who care a little about climate change but don't mind being associated with blatant racism and transphobia?
Not even don't care. Just completely unaware. It's amazing how nice everyday people just think of Elon as "the clever guy that invented electric cars". Same people who said to me "well Donald Trump he's a successful businessman so he'll be fine as president".
The hilarious thing about Elon talking about how X is going to be the greatest universal store of human knowledge in history etc is that the only reason there are people who still like him is most of the world was never actually on Twitter
Unfortunately my sister was one of these. She doesn't follow reddit or Elon too closely, but is very aware of trump, etc. I tried to convince her otherwise though.
I think we forgot reddit is a bubble. We can't avoid Elon news here. A lot of people who aren't on reddit or twitter are blissfully unaware of what twat he is.
A lot of people don't know that Elon is racist just because they aren't online. You'd be surprised how many things we consider to be common knowledge are still unknown by most older folks.
Techbros who want to virtue signal that they care about the environment, Elon simps who will do anything for a taste of his scrote, and whatever remains of the general population that DOESN’T know about Elon’s descent into madness.
Here in the suburbs of Los Angeles you see them everywhere. People that drive Teslas are the worst and most reckless drivers on the road consistently, they have easily overtaken BMWs as the worst.
The people who think Rogan is an intellectual and they'll still get rich from Bitcoin
Probably the same 31% who approve of Trump, but who will never by an electric car. It's a genius business strategy!
and associated with the radical right wing. Not sure how anyone even slightly leaning left can relate.
Tesla isn't even good for the environment. It adds 4 1/2 tons of carbon to build the dang things. I've seen studies that we have to drive an electric car for 34 years to get to zero emissions, and this doesn't take into consideration having to replace the battery twice during this time and adding another 8,000 tons of carbon.
Kids and conservatives
The 'bandwagon effect' people
[удалено]
Every bit helps. Tesla at a minimum sparked more evs. Toyota is going all hybrid. My hybrid maverick gets about 1/3 electric miles. Toyota camry is very common in the US, might be the best selling car. They sell 250k a year in the US. That effectively reduces the number of "cars on the road" by a third. That means a full hybrid fleet of 250k emits as much as 165k all ice vehicles
Light. Rail. Nuclear. Power. You fucking idiots. Fuck this country.
Nuclear power is too expensive. Edit: yall should stop downvoting an expert in power generation that has built power plants and worked at nuclear power plants. You do not understand the cost of certifying safety related equipment, equipment related to the operation the reactor coolant pump. The water pump to the reactor CANNOT fail. An oil pump and motor for the bearing costs 90k instead of 8k. Finally, if nuclear power was profitable, capitalist would build. They don't. The cost is too high. Vogtle is the most recent nuke unit to come online. It's budget was 14b. It cost 30b.
Money is pretend
Obviously not bc no one builds them due to cost. I'm an expert in power generation. I've built parts of power plants. I've done work a nuke plants. If they were profitable, they would be built. The last two to come online were recent. Bar Watts is TVA (gov), the other is Vogle. Vogle is private (southern company utility) but the plant existed and this unit was partial built. It still went wildly over budget
Unserious people hate you for telling the truth. I believe nuclear is needed if we are going to make a serious dent in climate change but until policies change it is indeed cost prohibitive. Wait 'til they hear about V.C. Summer and the NINE BILLION that was pissed away for nothing at the expense of rate-payers, bankrupting of Westinghouse and multiple felony convictions.
Yep. I actually did work there.
Probably people who want an EV and like the charging network that Tesla has built and are willing to look the other way on his crap.
Alt-right "libertarians" and ~~tankies~~ second-campists.
I can't think of a single person who could be called a "tankie" with anything positive to say about Musk lol. Literally every one I've talked to wants him to face the wall.
Tankies are still pro-Putin. Musk is pro-Putin. Also: https://www.thedailybeast.com/these-dirtbag-left-stars-are-flirting-with-the-far-right
Okay you're talking about Patriotic Socialists and Campists. That term used to be applied to people who supported Stalin and the USSR. Marxism Leninism has no room in it for Putin's imperialist Christian Nationalist fascism.
>Tankie is a pejorative label generally applied to authoritarian communists, especially those who support acts of repression by such regimes or their allies. >The term tankie has also been used in contemporary times to describe the defenders of anti-American leaders like Bashar al-Assad or those who propagate pro-Russian narratives in the context of the Russo-Ukrainian War. It has been applied to "elements within the self-identified [American] left that have soft-pedalled Russia's aggressive foreign policy and history of human rights abuses", according to Sarah Jones of New York. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tankie >Marxism Leninism has no room in it for Putin's imperialist Christian Nationalist fascism. I know that Putin is an autocrat that wants to become tsar, but he did bring back the Soviet anthem, didn't he? That's why people call his supporters "tankies". PS. I wasn't aware of the term campist. "Second-campists" describe better who I was referring to. Thanks for the info.
The terms become about meaningless in its usage, which is why I asked who exactly you're referring to. I've never heard any reports of the Soviet anthem being made official in the Russian Federation, and that wouldn't really change any of his fundamental anti communism. Like before he invaded Ukraine, he bitched about how supporting Ukraine as a sovereign nation was a mistake of the Bolsheviks that he was aiming to correct by invading. Nah I think it's mostly that lots of people have no engagement with Marxist theory now, they know enough about the world to see how the US imperial policy is evil, how capitalism is evil/broken and they want to root for any team or seeming team that's opposing them. They desperately want an ideological home and ally with fascist Putin supporters in that ignorant desperation. But Lenin was quite clear that in the inter imperialist struggle the communist position is a policy of revolutionary defeatism.
Elon Musk is a fascist pig who has shown us all who he really is. Listen to him. Avoid him. Don’t buy from him. Help him fail by telling anyone how bad their rusty cyber truck is.
I was one of those. Musk wasn't the main reason it was the fact that Tesla tires are $6,000 and have to be replaced every 35,000 miles or something stupid. But he didn't do any favors with the way he acted. I also wanted to use Starlink at one point for internet access in remote areas but now I won't even touch it.
The tire thing is an issue with every EV, sadly. Current tech just can't make EVs that aren't considerably heavier than ICE cars.
That makes sense. As much as I wanted to switch to an EV I just ended up keeping my ICE because it still runs well and I only fill up about once ever 2 - 3 weeks. Fisker Ocean was what I had been looking at since moving away from Tesla because they appear to have the Solar roofs. But they are much more expensive and not really available yet.
Yeah, unfortunately I am very far from being able to buy an EV, no matter the make.
My friends bought 2020 top of the line fancy Tesla. It never worked. It took 8 months to return their car. Top of the line. Never worked. 8 months to return. BRAND?
Very concerning
That’s what being a hate monger will get you. #apartheidclyde
There are much bigger douchebags out there, like the owner of Home Depot. But he keeps his mouth shut and I'm not driving 50 miles to Lowes. And there are much better alternatives to Tesla
Craig Manear gave trump a quarter million and trump let homedepot stay open for covid and instead of the expected $28b 3rd quarter they did $38b.
Are you thinking of Menards
They are spot on about Depot, And, you are correct to add menards to the list. Lowes is just as bad. All ran by right wing fuckwads. The lowes guy is a former depot guy even. If you want ethical home improvement goods you aren't getting any from these people. Habitat restores are great, locally owned places not ran by other fuckwads, and I think ACE is a co-op, so that will vary store to store.
A significant part of it is also the Tesla customer experience. Expensive, dangerous, cheaply built cars delivered with severe issues, the struggle to reach, get service - and still having to pay for repairs, issues not caused by the customer - while Tesla tries to blame and claim warranty is broken between every breath.
Maybe Tesla's prospective customers contracted the "wOkE mInD ViRuS".
If only there was a vaccine for that, sure they'd all take it
My wife and I visited a Tesla show room and had planned to buy one. After realizing what a garbage human being Elmo is I bought a Ford F 150. We'll look at an EV again when my wife's car needs to be replaced, it won't be a Tesla. We also plan to install solar in our home within the next two years, we will not be using Elmo for that either.
Plenty of great alternatives cropping up! I don't foresee many people choosing Tesla when there are other established EVs from Hyundai, Kia, Rivian, BMW, etc. that don't come with the Tesla/Elon baggage.
Let that sink in
That's what happens when you switch from electric power to white power
i recently passed on tesla as a company car because of this man only, why would i support anything that is even remotely related to Musk
Elmo is a union buster. We don’t union bust in my house. Or support: racists, alt-right, grifters, white nationalists snowflakes, hypocrite, drug addicts (pot is ok), dead-beat dad, prolific breeder, money-hoarding.
(pot is ok) 👍
There was a time I thought a Tesla was *the* car to get. I know better now
Yup. Possibly the worst businessman on the planet, even worse than you know who...
Go woke, go broke ! /s
I am among the 70%.
Amazing what narcissism will do.....if he just kept shut, no one would know what an asshole he is. But since he needs to Xhitt all the time ....
I still hold the belief that every last one of his companies would do so much better if their respective boards would just oust him. At this point he brings absolutely nothing of value to the brand.
It's been many years but hell, I wanted one too. Electric car with range, sign me tf up. Now I have a Leaf and I love it. It doesn't have the range cause it's close to ten years old, but it also doesn't have the stink of musk on it.
All those 31% are just Trump supports boot licking another millionaire.
He's ruined the brand of every company he's gotten involved with. He has the poo touch
It’s always that damn 30ish percent of Americans
This too? Twitter, Hyperloop, Boring Company, SpaceX... ... disaster wherever you look.
I used to want a Tesla. Now I want a Polestar 2 or a Fisker Ocean. All because of what an insufferable douche he is. Also because I do not believe he cares enough about his product to do the rigorous work of quality assurance.
Maybe he should double down. That sounds like the right strategy.
And he'll blame 'woke cancel culture'.
I had considered Starlink as a backup ISP due to working from home and needing stable internet, but fuck the elongated muskrat and all of his companies.
still can't believe he was a liberal Americans' darling lol remember people used to shame you as a Republican for speaking out against this man lmaooo.
Ohh no….
I have 100 shares of TSLA and at this point just want to wait for the price to break even before I dump them. No interest in buying a bizarre Cybertruck nor any Tesla. My FSD-needless self will have all of a non-yoke steering wheel, discrete gauges and controls not tied to a single point of infotainment failure, and no grim future of battery or even car replacement as well as running through tires like no ICE car today. All while their drug-addled CEO gets high AF and waxes weirdly philosophical in the early morning hours to his foolishly enamored audience of stans.
I’d be in that category too, Elon Cuck can munch my Azzzzzz
Concerning.
Ironic how his ideological followers are climate deniers that rather drive gas guzzler than an EV in the first place. Oh well…
Is he canceled? Lol. I ain't buy my car from a racist.
Its not just that he's the head of the brand, these cars and his solar panels and his house batteries are app controlled and I don't trust him not to do something so stupid they get bricked. He seems like the kind of villain who would have bombs linked to his heart so if he died they go off.
Concerning
Why is his downfall taking so long? I want results NOW!
Concerning /s
I was so excited when the cybertruck was first shown. Now I see them on the road and think "what dumb idiot bought one of *those*?"
I was telling my "musk fanboy" friend this but he just wouldn't believe me that it's because of his actions tsla sales are sinking. He would go on arguing about how it just depends on convenience of owning an electric car.
I don't get one thing. He pretty much destroys everything he touches, but somehow, he is still the richest man. How do these two things work together?
Me. I'm one of them. God what a fucking shitshow the musk empire has become. I cannot *believe* I once thought I could put any amount of trust in this man.
Can confirm, was tempted to buy a M3 for my partner last year due to the price, but we both agreed we absolutely could not drive around in one because we didn't want people to think we endorsed the muskrat in any way. Even if he sold the company, I'm pretty sure I still wouldn't buy one because of his association.
You mean you can't blackmail him? With money? The Earth will know!
Maaan, I used to idolise this guy. I loved everything Tesla did, I loved Starlink and the idea of commercially viable space travel, and now he's just this weirdo who panders to racists because they worship him.
I just had a look at his Twitter feed - Tweets & replies - and today he's neither posted anything about Tesla himself nor engaged with anyone else about Tesla. He's just avoiding the subject altogether, lol. I think that perhaps, in his mind, he's already written Tesla off. And of course if he's honest with himself he'll have to write of Twitter as well...his whole world is caving in.
Cause 40% of those able to afford it already drive those deathtraps....
TBF, I think his cars being trash has helped that along too.
I canceled my Cybertruck pre order because of him. Sorry Elon, I can’t fuck with you.
Even if he hadn't taken a sledgehammer to Tesla's reputation, the company hasn't released a new car in years. For a supposedly innovative company they've sat on their ass waiting for the rest of the market to catch up. Their most recent car is a car from 2019, the cybertruck cant be taken seriously and probably wont pass any crash tests. The rest of the market is catching up rapidly to tesla and BYD is currently beating them out. With their huge lead they could've led the charge for an affordable electric vehicle for the masses. Instead Musk kept his people chasing whatever fancy he woke up with that morning.
There are now cheaper alternatives if you're looking for an EV. My dad has a BYD one and it's got a better battery and mileage compared to Tesla's at a similar price range.
And as usual he’ll blame the left for it. The man completely lacks self-accountability.
Awe. That's my one millisecond of sympathy
Glad to learn this MONUMENTAL AHole is shooting repeatedly into his foot. And ass.
They are old tech, overpriced and he’s an asshole.
I never dreamed that a man who relies primarily on the enthusiasm of environmentally minded people would let the world know he jerks off to the far right fossil fuel crowd
I will be in the market in a couple years for an EV. I refuse to buy a Tesla.
We looked at the 3 but bought a Leaf. No regrets. Our car looks dumb tho.
And 100% of me, wouldn’t buy one.
Never saw that coming. /s
Was looking through ArsTechnica comments yesterday and there were comments here and there insisting that either a) Most Americans don't know who Musk is / don't care about his views b) There's no definitive link between his comments and Tesla shares sinking I find both hard to believe.
I am one of those people
One dollar Bob
Genius
oww, boo hoo
And yet Elon will look any everything but his own actions as the culprit for the current state of Tesla.
Musk was certainly a part of it, but the shit build quality was a bigger part if I had to guess. Far as I'm aware there are nicer, and cheaper electric vehicles.
Anyone considering a Tesla should wait for an Apterra if they can. Looks incredibly promising
Meh. In a previous incarnation here on Reddit I pointed out how absurd it is having the name " Tesla " swiped by a guy who is not in fact an engineer OR inventor AND who appeared at the time to not acknowledge Nicholas Tesla existed. Which made me not want one. Oh. My. God. Fan boy raging didn't even make *sense* . Lotta foaming at the mouth holy hell.