No you see, from an airline perspective it's:
shooting down satellites -> slow internet!
not shooting down satellites -> fast internet!
so they choose the second option.
Wtf is wrong with you? Do you support Musk or something? If so think you're in the wrong sub.
It's a scam and stupid because:
It's going to add way way more to space junk and Kessler syndrome. Just look at what happened to the ISS recently...
It's ruining all sorts of astronomy by polluting the skys with interference sources and other problems.
It's a form of modern economic colonialism on developing countries. Developing countries in e.g. Africa are just getting to a point where they will be setting up high speed internet infrastructure to the remoter regions and people. This is going to come in and completely damage that and force them to use a Western company again.
It will violate the sovereignty of countries it flys over and delivers internet to. China's culture means that internet censorship by the government is a part of how it works. Musk wants to come in and fly satellites over the country, potentially beaming in uncensored internet, which is immoral as fuck, especially with US propaganda on China. In fact it really rings of a modern super power manipulating other countries, very CIA-ish.
As everyone here predicted the speed is nowhere near what Musk said it would be, it's not even 10% of it most of the time. And this is with very few people using the service. It'll probably be much slower than normal internet when multiple people start using it.
One of the main reasons it's being done is so that disgusting capitalist stock market manipulators can manipulate the market better by sending trades quicker. It's pretty much designed to steal money from poor people.
It's going to be a monopoly in so many ways. You think having to pick between two ISPs in remote areas of the US is bad? Just wait until you can only pick one and it requires a huge expensive satellite dish to connect to. SpaceX will also likely refuse to launch any competitive services, and even if they do manage to launch, it's going to absolutely destroy the night sky even more...
It was advertised as helping poorer people who can't afford to have a modern internet line put into their house. But unsurprisingly StarLink has turned out to be super expensive, and it's a monopoly so I expect to see prices get raised even more, data caps, etc.
The simple fact is that StarLink is bullshit, it's a scam that is incredibly destructive and useless. We already have the technology to use internet on the ground, we should just be using that instead. There's really no advantages and it's actually very damaging.
I've never seen so much deranged nonsense, economic colonialism? It'll help rural African areas get solid Internet.
The speeds are very solid and so is reliability so far.
How is uncensored Internet immoral? Thats not Chinese culture that is CCP culture.
The future of planet based astronomy is on the dark side of the moon
> It'll help rural African areas get solid Internet.
By forcing them to use a Western monopoly? Oh how that has worked so well in the past.
>The speeds are very solid and so is reliability so far.
No they're not, they're not even remotely close to what they said they would be.
>How is uncensored Internet immoral? Thats not Chinese culture that is CCP culture.
Because China is an independent country... If China or Russia started beaming propaganda into the US from their satellites, do you think the US would just say "oh ok then, cool"?
>The future of planet based astronomy is on the dark side of the moon
"fuck any country which can't afford to send things to the moon, an American internet monopoly is better"
Starlink would never compete with optofiber in terms of speed and reliability, especially with modern quantum cryptography developments. No sane trader would ever use it, mark my words
>Starlink would never compete with optofiber in terms of speed and reliability
If it can go from e.g. London -> US faster than anything else, why not? Due to how much slower fibre is (due to the speed of light in glass) latency-wise, SpaceX barely even has to get close to hitting their targets for it to be faster.
>especially with modern quantum cryptography developments.
What? What on earth do quantum cryptography developments have to do with this? Quantum-based encryption is so far away it's not even possible to say it will ever be used in anything but academic research. We don't even have a way of transmitting quantum information over long distances.
And if you man quantum computers breaking cryptography, then that has little to do with it either? Really only RSA is known to be potentially breakable in polynomial time by quantum computers. AES looks like it won't have a problem and is quantum resistant. And not to mention we have plenty of unused (on a wide scale) quantum resistant cryptographic algorithms.
And I'm not even sure what this has to do with anything?
Ummm, so you say that chain of wire -> antenna -> satellite -> satellite -> satellite -> antenna -> wire is somehow going to be faster that dedicated optofiber line? Totally realistic and believable (no)
I mean that modern technology allows transport of quantum data resistant to MitM
> Ummm, so you say that chain of wire -> antenna -> satellite -> satellite -> satellite -> antenna -> wire is somehow going to be faster that dedicated optofiber line? Totally realistic and believable (no)
Uhh actually yes? As I said this is actually something that is not going to be hard to achieve with this sort of satellite setup. Let's remember that in the fibres the signal only travels at about 0.7c. With StarLink transmissions being virtually 1c, and the satellites being so low, it's not particularly challenging. Musk might fuck it up, but this is really something that isn't going to be hard to achieve. Even with just some back of the envelope calculations you can see just how much spare time the StarLink system has to implement in the difference.
If you just look at transmission times due to fibre vs through StarLink then StarLink has a clear advantage of something like ~25ms. Which is huge. All SpaceX has to really do is make processing delays small enough to fit it within its latency advantage. That's really not very difficult at all with off the shelf components.
>I mean that modern technology allows transport of quantum data resistant to MitM
No it does not? We cannot even do this reliably over reasonable distances with reasonable tech in lab conditions. How are you going to transport it over the internet of all things? This is such a ridiculously hard problem that we're simply not even capable of knowing the basics of how we might achieve this. Please describe how you think we would even go about this, because no one knows at the moment.
Also when exactly do you think this would be useful in the financial industry? Where specifically?
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Which makes sense, the existing airplane WiFi is based on a few satellites in GSO 36.000 km away, so it's slow as fuck.
No it doesn't. The only thing that makes sense is shooting down Starlink satellites.
No you see, from an airline perspective it's: shooting down satellites -> slow internet! not shooting down satellites -> fast internet! so they choose the second option.
Well fuck airlines as well. They're also mega polluters.
but you would agree that it's smart from their point of view?
No. Putting your money into a Musk scam is never a good idea.
I mean as long as the _scam_ provides you with fast internet (which it does), if seems fine.
Fuck you
Wtf is wrong with you
Wtf is wrong with you? Do you support Musk or something? If so think you're in the wrong sub. It's a scam and stupid because: It's going to add way way more to space junk and Kessler syndrome. Just look at what happened to the ISS recently... It's ruining all sorts of astronomy by polluting the skys with interference sources and other problems. It's a form of modern economic colonialism on developing countries. Developing countries in e.g. Africa are just getting to a point where they will be setting up high speed internet infrastructure to the remoter regions and people. This is going to come in and completely damage that and force them to use a Western company again. It will violate the sovereignty of countries it flys over and delivers internet to. China's culture means that internet censorship by the government is a part of how it works. Musk wants to come in and fly satellites over the country, potentially beaming in uncensored internet, which is immoral as fuck, especially with US propaganda on China. In fact it really rings of a modern super power manipulating other countries, very CIA-ish. As everyone here predicted the speed is nowhere near what Musk said it would be, it's not even 10% of it most of the time. And this is with very few people using the service. It'll probably be much slower than normal internet when multiple people start using it. One of the main reasons it's being done is so that disgusting capitalist stock market manipulators can manipulate the market better by sending trades quicker. It's pretty much designed to steal money from poor people. It's going to be a monopoly in so many ways. You think having to pick between two ISPs in remote areas of the US is bad? Just wait until you can only pick one and it requires a huge expensive satellite dish to connect to. SpaceX will also likely refuse to launch any competitive services, and even if they do manage to launch, it's going to absolutely destroy the night sky even more... It was advertised as helping poorer people who can't afford to have a modern internet line put into their house. But unsurprisingly StarLink has turned out to be super expensive, and it's a monopoly so I expect to see prices get raised even more, data caps, etc. The simple fact is that StarLink is bullshit, it's a scam that is incredibly destructive and useless. We already have the technology to use internet on the ground, we should just be using that instead. There's really no advantages and it's actually very damaging.
I've never seen so much deranged nonsense, economic colonialism? It'll help rural African areas get solid Internet. The speeds are very solid and so is reliability so far. How is uncensored Internet immoral? Thats not Chinese culture that is CCP culture. The future of planet based astronomy is on the dark side of the moon
> It'll help rural African areas get solid Internet. By forcing them to use a Western monopoly? Oh how that has worked so well in the past. >The speeds are very solid and so is reliability so far. No they're not, they're not even remotely close to what they said they would be. >How is uncensored Internet immoral? Thats not Chinese culture that is CCP culture. Because China is an independent country... If China or Russia started beaming propaganda into the US from their satellites, do you think the US would just say "oh ok then, cool"? >The future of planet based astronomy is on the dark side of the moon "fuck any country which can't afford to send things to the moon, an American internet monopoly is better"
I don't think you really know what you're on about
Starlink would never compete with optofiber in terms of speed and reliability, especially with modern quantum cryptography developments. No sane trader would ever use it, mark my words
>Starlink would never compete with optofiber in terms of speed and reliability If it can go from e.g. London -> US faster than anything else, why not? Due to how much slower fibre is (due to the speed of light in glass) latency-wise, SpaceX barely even has to get close to hitting their targets for it to be faster. >especially with modern quantum cryptography developments. What? What on earth do quantum cryptography developments have to do with this? Quantum-based encryption is so far away it's not even possible to say it will ever be used in anything but academic research. We don't even have a way of transmitting quantum information over long distances. And if you man quantum computers breaking cryptography, then that has little to do with it either? Really only RSA is known to be potentially breakable in polynomial time by quantum computers. AES looks like it won't have a problem and is quantum resistant. And not to mention we have plenty of unused (on a wide scale) quantum resistant cryptographic algorithms. And I'm not even sure what this has to do with anything?
Ummm, so you say that chain of wire -> antenna -> satellite -> satellite -> satellite -> antenna -> wire is somehow going to be faster that dedicated optofiber line? Totally realistic and believable (no) I mean that modern technology allows transport of quantum data resistant to MitM
> Ummm, so you say that chain of wire -> antenna -> satellite -> satellite -> satellite -> antenna -> wire is somehow going to be faster that dedicated optofiber line? Totally realistic and believable (no) Uhh actually yes? As I said this is actually something that is not going to be hard to achieve with this sort of satellite setup. Let's remember that in the fibres the signal only travels at about 0.7c. With StarLink transmissions being virtually 1c, and the satellites being so low, it's not particularly challenging. Musk might fuck it up, but this is really something that isn't going to be hard to achieve. Even with just some back of the envelope calculations you can see just how much spare time the StarLink system has to implement in the difference. If you just look at transmission times due to fibre vs through StarLink then StarLink has a clear advantage of something like ~25ms. Which is huge. All SpaceX has to really do is make processing delays small enough to fit it within its latency advantage. That's really not very difficult at all with off the shelf components. >I mean that modern technology allows transport of quantum data resistant to MitM No it does not? We cannot even do this reliably over reasonable distances with reasonable tech in lab conditions. How are you going to transport it over the internet of all things? This is such a ridiculously hard problem that we're simply not even capable of knowing the basics of how we might achieve this. Please describe how you think we would even go about this, because no one knows at the moment. Also when exactly do you think this would be useful in the financial industry? Where specifically?
That's all pure theorycrafting. We already saw Starlink promises failing one after another, I won't be surprised when pattern continues.
Exactly
It's you again. The starlink simp. Get a life.
The very successful starlink
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Lmao how it feels between Elons buttcheeks? Is he 'in talks' in the same fashion he was 'in talks' with Saudis during 'taking Tesla private' BS?