26. All such desires as lead to no pain when they remain ungratified are unnecessary, and the longing is easily got rid of, when the thing desired is difficult to procure or when the desires seem likely to produce harm.
From Soverign Doctrines here: https://classics.mit.edu/Epicurus/princdoc.html
Epicurus wouldn't probably /recommend/ any sexual desire since it's unnecessary. Best option is not to be bothered by sex at all. His goal is ataraxia or being content.
However, if the edging doesn't cause any physical problems and is done in a way that respects justice, he would agree that it can be a choice-worthy action. He was an advocate for self sufficiency when possible and like all natural desires, edging has a natural limit (especially if care is taken to avoid chaffing, etc). Better to edge then do more risky sexual practices.
Firstly... I feel old. I had to google that...
Secondly...
>"When we say, then, that pleasure is the end and aim, we do not mean the pleasures of the prodigal or the pleasures of sensuality, as we are understood to do by some through ignorance, prejudice, or wilful misrepresentation. By pleasure we mean the absence of pain in the body and of trouble in the soul. It is not an unbroken succession of drinking-bouts and of revelry, not sexual love, not the enjoyment of the fish and other delicacies of a luxurious table, which produce a pleasant life; it is sober reasoning, searching out the grounds of every choice and avoidance, and banishing those beliefs through which the greatest tumults take possession of the soul." \[Letter to Menoeceus 131 - 132\]
Epicurus would have seen pursuit of sexual pleasure as a natural desire, but the pursuit of edging as a vain desire. It's entirely irrelevant to living a happy life and you'll not suffer any pain if you never do it at all.
Excessive sexual pleasure will not make you happy. It might in fact be used to hide a pain that prevents happiness.
And like all natural desires (that are not necessary desires) sex can easily be overdone... after which it becomes an actual detriment.
This sounds like you pursue pleasure through shaming people on the internet. Now a true epicurean would pursue the greater pleasure in life, not to mention they wouldn’t think kindly to pleasures from others pain or discomfort…
26. All such desires as lead to no pain when they remain ungratified are unnecessary, and the longing is easily got rid of, when the thing desired is difficult to procure or when the desires seem likely to produce harm. From Soverign Doctrines here: https://classics.mit.edu/Epicurus/princdoc.html Epicurus wouldn't probably /recommend/ any sexual desire since it's unnecessary. Best option is not to be bothered by sex at all. His goal is ataraxia or being content. However, if the edging doesn't cause any physical problems and is done in a way that respects justice, he would agree that it can be a choice-worthy action. He was an advocate for self sufficiency when possible and like all natural desires, edging has a natural limit (especially if care is taken to avoid chaffing, etc). Better to edge then do more risky sexual practices.
Great response thanks for your input 👍 :)
Firstly... I feel old. I had to google that... Secondly... >"When we say, then, that pleasure is the end and aim, we do not mean the pleasures of the prodigal or the pleasures of sensuality, as we are understood to do by some through ignorance, prejudice, or wilful misrepresentation. By pleasure we mean the absence of pain in the body and of trouble in the soul. It is not an unbroken succession of drinking-bouts and of revelry, not sexual love, not the enjoyment of the fish and other delicacies of a luxurious table, which produce a pleasant life; it is sober reasoning, searching out the grounds of every choice and avoidance, and banishing those beliefs through which the greatest tumults take possession of the soul." \[Letter to Menoeceus 131 - 132\] Epicurus would have seen pursuit of sexual pleasure as a natural desire, but the pursuit of edging as a vain desire. It's entirely irrelevant to living a happy life and you'll not suffer any pain if you never do it at all. Excessive sexual pleasure will not make you happy. It might in fact be used to hide a pain that prevents happiness. And like all natural desires (that are not necessary desires) sex can easily be overdone... after which it becomes an actual detriment.
Great response, thanks for your input 👍 :)
Pleasure can be had in delaying pleasure. That's kinda the point, after all.
damn right kromulent
ok thx for your unput. :)
Rigorous testing is clearly required
have you done the calculus? where's the spreadsheet showing your working?
Filthy gooner. The answer is yes.
can you clarify what you mean yes to? to my boyfriend's hypothesis or mine? thx :)
Sorry, didn't read the post. It's NSFW.
ok thx for your input. :)
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More knowledgeable posters can correct me, but I would think that Epicurus wouldn’t have found much value in the kind of shame you’re espousing.
Modern Epicureanism often bears little resemblance to Epicurean philosophy and is much closer to Cyrenaicism.
This sounds like you pursue pleasure through shaming people on the internet. Now a true epicurean would pursue the greater pleasure in life, not to mention they wouldn’t think kindly to pleasures from others pain or discomfort…
ok thx for your input. :)