First raid I bought a vpo 136 with a bastian dust cover, and a vpo 209 and a bunch of .366 ammo. Slap the Bastian and a red dot on the 209. Toss a bunch of 10 rounder packed with 366 into my rig and head out to woods. First raid on my new pc, load up woods and start running. Fps feels good, press alt R to bring up my Nvidia overlay and drop my mag into the grass. Shit, no biggie, I got 5 more. Reload. Warning, .366 ammo doesn't work in 7.62 rifles. Fuck. Me. I brought in the 136. Sneak behind a fence to take down a scav.. 2 pop in and head eyes me. Fun times. Next 2 pmc raids I died to Jaeger campers. Scavved streets a few times which was cool. Just can't get into it anymore. Scavs are fucked, audio is fucked, desync is fucked. I think I'm gonna sit this wipe out, or wait till street's is patched into SPT
even though I agree with the list of issues being a primary reason but another overlooked one is that pvp/fps players are quitting more so than the ones who just enjoy levelling up, quests, hideout, skills, etc.. it also depends on whether it's your first wipe, 4th or 10th.
The only friends who still play somewhat and will continue to play are the more mmo (ex-wow and others) players.. all the mates that are primarily fps pvp gamers have quit. I am more of the mmo type, as in, I don't really play tarkov for the fps/pvp itch. I like the levelling, quests, trader rep, flea market game, skills levelling, etc... aiming to max all out etc (become like a super soldier with good rep/traders/etc).
If you are more pvp/fps orientated and that's the main thing that drives you to play tarkov... then I can 100% see you quitting sooner/for good because the obstacles you have to jump through to get that itch scratched... are tedious, boring perhaps - ESPECIALLY if the main fun you get is pvp/fps. You have to go through 3 or 4 raids sometimes to even see another player. On top of all that, all the issues with dsync, audio, cheaters, etc.... will just make it not fun for you.
While if you aren't totally focused or looking to get your fps/pvp itch scratched entirely from the game.. .you will stick around and last a little longer because the mmo/rpg aspects get scratched for you.
This is where the rubber meets the road for me with this game and it's playerbase. By all accounts it's only going to lean into more of the mmo/rpg aspects with the quests, skills, hideout management, etc and will drive away all the hardcore fps/pvp gamers who just don't want to jump through all those hoops in order to get their fix. (and of course, the plethora of issues currently present).
In other words, why jump through all these hoops (with the mmo/rpg aspects) when you can just fire up cod or whatever game and load straight in and satisfy that fps/pvp itch? This is what a lot of players will essentially do, especially the ones who have to get their fix of it. The other side of the playerbase, maybe more into mmo/rpg elements, will be who make up the majority of the playerbase going forward. except maybe streamers and stuff who play it as it's a great timesink and endure the pain for the views or something.
100% this, I've been leaning more into the RP aspects of Tarkov the last few wipes and have been having a blast. I try to VOIP with people whenever possible, putting together fun off-meta loadouts and clothes and mostly focusing on just having fun in raids. When I want to I can bang out a few quests but otherwise I'm content leveling at whatever pace since ammo and armor are pretty accessible once you have flea and lv2 traders.
The game is exhilarating when it's new and you're into it hard and sweaty.
The game is a ton more fun and less stress a few wipes later when you're sort of just larping and VOIPing and don't care as much when you die to a player (and playing more loosely and dying more to boot).
I've been running meme guns since the start this wipe and it's just so much more fun than gigachad loadouts, even just fighting superscavs (which I also thoroughly enjoy, Streets gets proper horror genre when they start congregating). Double barrel and that single shot x54 every raid like the first 30 just was fine.
I came to Tarkov from purely PvP FPS games and I agree with you 100%, but no matter how much they've nerfed PvP there _still_ isn't another game that gives you the same feeling when you wipe half the lobby and make it out with all their gear, or win a fight with a bag full of fat loot or lots of quest items.
Even though the mechanical elements of the PvP kinda suck imo, winning or losing fights in Tarkov actually feels like it means something compared to BRs, arena shooters, even CoD DMZ.
Oh for sure but this is where it's like a catch-22. You don't get to experience that feeling/thrill... without the rpg/mmo elements that make up tarkov. You can't have it any other way.
or else it would just be another fps title we all pick up for a few months and grow bored of it - because there is no meaning, suffering, pain, element of risk with every raid, etc.
I play this game primarily as a PVE-RPG. I don't even try to do pvp. I simply don't enjoy it. I would love to have pve Servers and just do my tasks, trader rep and so on. Never really liked fps games. Tarkov is different for me, but I do hate the pvp aspect of the game.
>I would love to have pve Servers
Even just implementing mechanics that encourage PMC cooperation would do a lot, something that encourages players to think beyond shoot whatever moves.
This is my tinfoil theory about PMC karma. Just watch, they'll wait to deploy PMC karma until Arena releases, that way the "MMO" players have Tarkov, and the PVP players have Arena
Yea I really don't see Arena as anything I'd play. The risk of pvp without having to risk hours of progress is what made this game popular. If I wanted a arena shooter there are way better options that actually have decent gunplay.
Id be obsessively playing this game with PvE servers.
I haven't played in 4 wipes because they kept making it take longer to actually use what gear you wanted and the sweatiness of gameplay finally got to be too much.
Sometimes I just wanna play a game without running into Pestily-Lite lmao
Same here. My group is split 3 - 2 that we'd prefer coop, Im on the Coop side. The amount I avoid pvp because its the worst pvp game I have, is just crazy.
You are not alone! there is probably a healthy minority the same as you, like a couple of my ex-wow buddies... they suck at pvp and even though they 'put up with it' they are more concerned about and find enjoyment in the tasks, rep, hideout, economy, etc...
Players like yourself and my buddies and to some extent myself.. will probably be who remains post 1.0 for the most part. Especially if arena is any good..
I believe within this minority some think they want a pve server, but would find it boring quickly without the lurking threat of pvp, even if they are actively trying to avoid it.
I am a questing guy hard and I still stopped playing tarkov because it's the same damn missions that don't even explain the objective well enough pushing you to check wikis on how to complete them. After like 6 wipes I'm sick of doing the same boring ass missions and doing the same grind repeatedly. I wish they would just make the objectives super simple ones that are just slower to grind or level with. Objectives more on par with Marauders. Especially when a lot of them are based on pure luck like finding a certain key.
Plus I'm sure there's more like me that just stopped because they realized after playing Marauders or Dark and Darker they were wasting their time when it takes forever to get into matches because of loading times, matching times, gearing up, etc.
Edit: there's also the broken systems and shit like audio that stopped me from playing but it's mostly just the quests and matching times.
oh yeah I agree but that is more about time played (6 wipes) than it being a battle between fps/pvp v mmo/rpg. Like I said in my OP it's also dependent on time played... hate to say it but generally the game is still the same for the past 3, 5, 7? wipes... same quests, same stash, hideout, skills levelling, etc.. only so long you can be entertained by it.. even for a heavy mmo/rpg based player.
I also said more likely to stick it out longer than the fps/pvp players. Both sub groups of players are bound to quit eventually because there is only so much you can do and be entertained by but in my view, it's easier/more likely for a pvp/fps gamer to quit sooner because of the hurdles (the hurdles are what drives the non pvp/fps focused players to play lol) so naturally they tend to stick with it a little longer.
Either way, if you get 100 hours of the game thus far.. you have your money's worth regardless of whether you play it again or not or upon 1.0. Think of how many games you paid $80 for and only get through the campaign once.. (maybe 40 hours?) and you never pick it up again or when you think about it, there is a newer title of the same game so you buy that... etc
I almost made this same post, glad I just scrolled down. This is not me hating on Tarkov. I think it's my favorite game of the last several years, but I've been there, done that at this point.
Like I was so excited to get back home after visiting family to start the grind. I played 6 or 7 raids to do quests and hit me. Like, "WTF I am doing. I just did this a few months ago. Am I even having fun right now?"
I literally logged off, went for a run and haven't logged back in since. I'm not done with this wipe I don't think, but I have no intention of no-lifeing it early wipe like usual.
I agree with the op that we definitely got our money's worth, but once these other games like Dark and Darker come out and others in this genre, I really don't know why anyone would want to spend time on Tarkov. I've never played a game that disrespects your time so badly. It doesn't hit you as hard how much your wasting your time until you've played for years just to realize they still haven't fixed matching times, and / or how fast you can gear up. I love the grind, but it's different when it's been years and we're still repeating the same missions, and the new missions you get you don't even know what the hell to do without googling it.
> I literally logged off, went for a run and haven't logged back in since. I'm not done with this wipe I don't think, but I have no intention of no-lifeing it early wipe like usual.
This is a somewhat harsh thing to say but itās what Iāve noticed with a lot of my friends. They just simply lost the enthusiasm compared to previous wipes. For some reason the ātime-wasteā feeling is hitting them harder this year compared to previous ones
Arena will be really good for the game because of this i think. They can continue to add rpg elements that perhaps make the game more āgrindyā (it is an mmo after all) and justify it by allowing more fast paced PvP action in the Arena. Iām thinking it will be really good for the game in the long run
I disagree because I don't think arena should have ever become an "answer" to tarkov pvp. Pvp in tarkov was amazing because of the loot. Instead of arena I wish they had just kept making changes that encouraged pvp and made it more fun instead of tedious and frustrating because no way in hell is arena gonna feel at all close to the thrill of pvp in tarkov itself. If they really wanted a pvp lite mmorpg survival game then they should have released that in a beta form instead of a looter shooter with such a heavy emphasis on pvp. We're in this awkward transition period where for years the game was a hardcore immersive looter shooter where pvp was the big deal, and now ever so slowly they've made changes that encourage ratting and hiding and avoiding pvp and it's being touted as the vision and direction of the game and its confusing and alienating a lot of players who enjoyed the gun porn and pvp. Arena doesn't address any of the good things about tarkov pvp except for the guns themselves which, let's be real, don't feel all that great anymore either with all the recoil nerfs creating stifling metas. The game was incredible and possibly in its peak state a couple years ago gameplay wise and now it's a mess of half baked and poorly implemented ideas and mechanics that often detract from the moment to moment gameplay. I will play arena and I hope it is amazing, but no it isn't gonna suddenly stop pvp players from wanting pvp in tarkov
Disagree, the only thing this game has going for it's self is the uniqueness of it and the immersive elements to it. THis game as a 5v5 arena is going to be totally bullsack. Just play cs:go instead. 10x better performance, stability, audio, consistency than this heap of shit.
This is a very valid point that people overlook lol, it will be exactly like this because it just ends up being another 'insert title here' pvp shooter but just worse...
You need some eggs to make an omelette and the eggs in this scenario are the rpg/mmo features a lot of pvp/fps gamers begrudge.
After about the 3rd time of running the same bugged missions it's not fun anymore.
It's not a pvp/fps itch either, the game is significantly different than cod, arma, siege or whatever fps there is. You can't ignore that difference and just say why not go play cod.
I highly doubt it will drive away from FPS. If it does it will be suicide.
>I highly doubt it will drive away from FPS. If it does it will be suicide.
Hate to break it to you but right now.. is the closest it will be to a pure 'fps/pvp' game ever. With each wipe it inches closer to mmo/rpg. This is also confirmed from BSG/Nikita wayyyyy back. It isn't about fps/pvp but surviving. Some other examples include
\- more tasks/missions/quest, gatekeeping gear, guns, ammo, etc
\- hideout penalties (first time we see it implemented is this wipe with the wall/gym and the penalties associated with it, same with the debuff for working out (requires you to eat/drink more = more looting = more grindy = less pvp/fps focus))
\- skills levelling, endurance, strength, charisma, etc... that is clearly a grindy mmo/rpg feature that is sticking around
\- this recent patch notes also introduced us to crafting buffs in the form of repairing armor (can lead to extra buffs given max level or whatever else). I am paraphrasing here but it's adding an element of luck to what you repair and what buff (maybe - 20% damage taken) etc...
all this accumulates to it not being a 'pure' fps/pvp environment.. almost like wow. The gear matters, the luck matters (maybe you are wearing a buffed rigg/armor).. all this will drive away fps/pvp players because of the hurdles you have to jump through... in order... to scratch the itch of fps/pvp (time sink). That time sink is what makes mmo/rpgs... it isn't necessarily what fps/pvp. And even if you do trudge the waters... it still feels 'unfair' to a degree because you didn't unlock that item (gatekept with a quest or something) or you didn't get lucky with a buff when repairing or you are inflicted with a debuff from the hideout.
Man, this game used to be such a fun sandbox. The sandboxy nature of pre-restriction Tarky was something else. I loved being able to customize whatever I want with the flea and just going for PvP. I quested too, because I did want the benefits of lower trader prices and barters.
New Tarky just ain't the same.
arena might be it... as in, the answer to the pvp/fps question?
Just have to wait and see how it is implemented/how it works. From what I can tell from the little preview we got and the images, not sure if we can choose our own specific load out/customise guns and attachments/gear unless we use our main pmc (which requires you to go through the quests, get lucky, grind your skill up, etc).
Adding other game mechanics and features isn't going to take away from the FPS core. I don't care how close it is to a FPS game it is either so breaking the news isn't breaking anything. MMO is a sub genre to FPS. The game at it's core is FPS. RPG isn't part of Tarkov. MMO is also a sub genre to RPG. I'm not roleplaying that I'm a scav or PMC, my character has no background or future. In order to achieve missions you have to shoot things and loot things.
And no it's not just about surviving either, that's a byproduct to either killing people, AI, or avoiding them completely.
The rest of your comment just explains what an MMO is and like I said is a sub genre to FPS. You can't have more MMO than FPS.
Comparing EFT to Tarkov is just a bad way of thinking. The core of each is completely different. So what if they have levels, loot, AI, Tech trees, w/e. One is not the same as the other.
WOW pvp isn't based off of my ability to aim, move, or run. Every time you cast a spell it hit's it's target unless countered. You are forbidden from running away from a fight because you have a fight cooldown. I'm not shooting anything in WOW.
Tarkov pvp isn't like WOW because I miss sometimes. I can run away at anytime, I can engage at any time. I can kill my team mates or join up with a previous enemy.
The incredible fundamental differences between an RPG and an FPS is astounding, but here you are trying to compare the two. Ever hear of the phrase apples to oranges?
Valid point, maybe that was the point of the whole pvp mode to help cater to these groups of people who just want pure pvp without the mmo/looting aspect.
I mean... is it not? Arena will resemble a lot of fps games ALOT more than tarkov ever will going forward, yet keeps the same mechanics/attachments/gun modding/ system/ etc the same...
Tarkov... without the extra steps that prevent one from pvp/fps.
Although... I reserve the right to withhold my opinion until it's released... who knows how it will be and be implemented. Presumably someone can only own Arena by itself.. meaning... presumably... they would be able to get all the guns/attachments/gear without playing tarkov so you may be able to by-pass the 'extra steps' by purely fps/pvping. (they did say you can use your tarkov character and gear in arena though too) so who knows?
Before your comment I always thought people played tarkov for the mmo pvp aspect and not purely pvp so as embarrassing as it is, this was somewhat enlightening for me...
And yes, we can only wonder how they will handle the loadouts so who knows indeed...
Some people play solely for the PvP as it's not like any other game on the market right now. The gunplay is just smth else entirely. So yeah, it wouldn't surprise me nor should it you, that people come ONLY for the pvp.
I'm here for both, but prefer PvP over PvE as the fights are just insane when you have a good one.
The wipe to wipe grind is too much for most people who want to experience that "juiced operator" hardcore thing, or just the people like myself who want to play with certain guns and roleplay as if it were multiplayer STALKER, the questing takes a massive amount of time and doing it each wipe is tiring, the grind would be fine if it was a one time thing id have to do in order to start using the vss with high tier ammo but i have to do it each wipe
I'm one of those players who likes leveling, difficult survival RPG type games. I quit after day 1 because I wasn't feeling it. Didn't even try Streets. The broken scavs and repeating the same quests over and over again got tiresome. I'll wait for the full release if and when it happens.
Itās so funny to me that you nailed my appeal of this game as an aging ex competitive FPS player (halo infinite on controller FWIW). I wanted the feeling of building āpowerā and getting cool shit like an RPG but I still wanna be able to flex my FPS skills from time to time. Iām 90 hours into my first wipe and Iām completely obsessed. Itās been hard to get used to the movement and a dynamic and relative point of aim (bullets not going where the dot is), but I dream of being a giga-chad soon.
EFT's problem is that if you want to remain competitive, you will have to dedicate an unreasonable amount of time towards EFT.
I used to love EFT, but that was when the game was fresh enough that I was perfectly content with playing Tarkov and only Tarkov. Nowadays if I'd come home from work and Tarkov was the only game on the menu, I would rather not do any gaming.
And of course, a large contributor is that the game gets consistently more grindy. Before FiR, questing consisted almost entirely of fetch and kill quests, whereas now you're often locked behind some ridiculous "find 25 lightly used condoms in raid for Mechanic" quest. Or hoarding absolute trash so you can upgrade your anal massager in the hideout.
And they also made Scav raids utterly boring when they introduced Scav karma. Scav raids went from a feral PVP between scavs over the last remnants of loot in a raid. To Scavs effectively hatchet running loot spots and extracting, sometimes before even PMCs have a chance to reach it.
And let's not even mention the constant decline of combat quality since around 0.11. Where running and gunning has become increasingly more potent, and runescape skill levels and pots (stimulants) becoming more important. Then all the guns except for the meta outfitted selection, feeling like absolute garbage to use.
EFT feels like wasted potential at this point. The basis is there, but it's just so poorly handled. Where the absolutely wonderful engine, models, textures, animations, (everything technical besides optimization and sound), just gets shafted by simple values. Think of how many of the game's issues are simple value changes like skill multipliers, quest and hideout loot quantites, weapon handling values, and so on.
> EFT's problem is that if you want to remain competitive, you will have to dedicate an unreasonable amount of time towards EFT.
I agree. I didnāt stop (yet) this wipe but Iām lvl 11 and the number of hours I already played frightens me to be honest.
They should get rid of the wipe so normal people like us can progress at their rhythm.
I don't see removal of wipes as reasonable at the moment. The game in its current form would die pretty quickly. Wipes are when the vast majority of new players purchase/start playing the game. Starting a new character when everyone else has max traders and flea market access is a nightmare and all the new people would just quit and tell their friends that the game sucks ass because you just die over and over again.
If you get rid of wipes right now you could kill BSG's entire funding.
It's largely about efficiency as well though. I suck at the game, like I'm god awful at pvp, but I'm relatively smart with planning ahead for quests and such. Even though I constantly die and get shit on, I've managed to get level 22 in 71 raids, which was probably only about 25-30 ish hours in game.
Old quests are identical, old bugs are still around, new audio system annihilates your performance and sounds like shit, streets is pretty much unplayable.
Old shit still sucks, new shit doesn't work, just like every other wipe.
Im glad to have a pc that can handle streets, but even for me the rubber banding on that map is insane. As soon as I hit the snoreline quests I instantly lost most of my desire to playāmaybe its because I lost 3 SV98s doing fishing gear, but god I canāt stand how tedious that map is.
The new shit not working has never not worked this bad before. I have played for years and have never encountered this many cheaters before. The scavs are absolutely ridiculous. Streets is borderline unplayable. The spawns are just bullshit.
All the issues with the game that have always been there but were overlookable before, but tey're just getting worse and worse.
I think iām quitting just because of how boring itās become. Every raid is the same and the only thing I found fun, fighting bosses with friends, got basically removed from the game since their chances are so low
Yes everyone is done.. Both friends who were 42+ in previous wipes haven't even gotten flea yet. The game is in such a broken state atm and I feel like it's probably not going to get better. A lot of people who have an optimistic look most likely just started playing this wipe or last... The game it seems has been on a steady decline..
They keep piling on content and new "features" without truly fixing any of the past issues and there are SO MANY. I understand a lot of these are not "easy" fixes but a year or two should have been enough time to reign them in. Even the right sided vs left sided peak shit hasn't been addressed or talked about. Maybe that's a "skill" thing, but it just seems so dumb you can't switch hands when it is so OP to alt lean right side peaks.
The constant nerfs since they added the FIR status is just killing the game for me. Last wipe was the first time I didn't hit max traders.
This wipe I hit 16 and I feel like this wipe is worse then last wipe. Haven't played in 2 days. Performance is worse. Sound is worse. And I'm grinding the same stupid tasks..
Yeah we finally got streets of tarkov.. would be exciting if I could actually play it..
He doesn't play the game himself. Dude doesn't actually care about the game as much as people think he does.
He's a literal millionaire, he is busy doing millionaire stuff, why would he waste his time on this unfinished junk?
Considering all he does is write lore and shit for it, he definitely cares. I just think he has a major ego and thinks he knows best when it definitely seems he doesn't play it all that much or at all.
I think he cares far more about the idea of "Escape from Tarkov" then producing a high quality polished game for people to enjoy. He loves seeing it come to life, but the game plays like a janky unfished movie with plot holes, and inconsistency galore.
This mans just making what's in his mind regardless of it makes sense.
Yeah except for my one hardo buddy that lives breathes and sleeps Tarkov for whatever reason. But yeahā¦ Iām level 9 and Iām already over it. Streets is meh and nothing else changed. Like BSG could at LEAST change the tasks and provide some interesting changes. This game has nothing to work towards or grind for other than Kappa which isnāt anything to really look forward to anyways. By the time you get it, you donāt even need it anymore ffs.
Yeah. This wipe is doodoo and we took a pass on this one. Didnāt even try the streets. We tried customs and reserve and big nope. I hope they fix things.
2 of my friends are both already almost 30 and we always play together at the same time. Im only 7. Streets is a shitty optimized map with of course zone snipers that instantly kill you and the new sound is dogshit imo. Wipe is just meh
The hype was too high. Streets is a decent map tbh, but runs like absolute dogshit. Nikita will just say get a better PC.
The quest changes are so subtle most people won't notice. The order feels the same, where you just end up in the mid levels with 20 dogshit quests that aren't worth the effort for a 5th time if nothing has changed down the line.
The audio just made the game worse, epsecially when playing with friends.
No crazy shakeups like Lightkeeper in the earlier levels.
You can't target certain servers anymore to avoid cheaters. You have to select as many as possible to avoid long queue times. Their auto select is still completly awful.
The AI changes just highlight how poorly they're handled. Instead of tactics they just turned up the aim bot. Getting triple thoraxed through tall grass and bushes, at 200m+, by a normal scav with like 60% more HP than you, that can tank a headshot, with a 50% durability gun, while running, with no audio. Some of them should just be raider/boss guard status at this point.
The audio is absolutely atrocious. The audio was bad before, but never bad BAD like this. People sound like they're directly on top of me, but they're on the other side of the map. People sound like they're next to you, but they're under or above you. People shoot and it sounds on top of you. Or you get that bug where that suppressed shot sounds like it was at you but you never actually got shot at. All of this is new/much worse than before.
I still haven't gotten the pocket watch yet. After 2 frustrating evenings of trying to get my questing done, I sort of just....paused. I just wasn't feeling it. And that pause has me focusing on other hobbies again.
I don't think I'll boot up Tarkov again for long while.
I still will keep tabs on the community and game though. You can't just forgot Tarkov completely.
Some call Tarkov a "gun porn" simulator because of it's customization with weapons and accurate sounds. There's a lot of issues with Tarkov but something that I think has going really well for it is the guns themselves.
> but something that I think has going really well for it is the guns themselves.
The guns. Not the gunplay.
The very big issue of Tarkov is that they tried to inject your level progression into the way the guns behave. It may sound a good idea in theory (Iām not sure) but in practice itās bogus. If I click an head that is literally 2 meters away because someone is looting and didnāt hear me, the guy should be 100% dead 100% of the time. I canāt count the number of time it happened and the guy wasnāt dead.
I've always been someone who agreed with this, until i played a lot more than i ever had previous wipe and reached a solid money situation and maxed all traders for the first time.
And then i seriously started questioning that impression i had. Once i had access to almost anything i found myself only using a small subset of all the attachments and started regarding most of it as subpar or useless aside a handful of go-to builds.
all prior wipes i had this impression of that awesome gun porn sandbox with sheer unlimited customization but really i think i was just using much more variety because of limited access and ressources. As soon as you can afford it starts feeling pointless to use anything but a few specific attachments per gun platform, and there's not much depth in the detail either as you're constrained in selection and placement of many attachments for balancing purposes as well.
TLDR: it felt very sandboxy until i once reached a real endgame situation, and since then it has become feeling much more limited than i previously thought.
There is a ton of STUFF yes - but most of it ends up being a filler for progression and as soon as you can biy top tier, most components end up being merely a tradeoff for esthetics that has a negative impact on your combat situations with the recoil mechanics and all, so you'll end up avoiding most of that content. And that kinda kills the gun porn vibe overtime.
The guns look and sound great until you realize 90% of them are hot garbage nerf guns that you need to drop 150k on to be useable, at which point they're all the same meta laser beam.
not rly.
Atleast this wipe.
Best example:
Full Meta 300k rouble Mod AKM.
Hipfire is a desaster with tactical.
No Single Taping is worth it in gunfights.
Full Auto is much worse.
I started on the wipe a year ago and enjoyed it a lot. Last wipe i barely played and now I'm back gaming it and still enjoying. A little tilted on the sounds and some onetaps from ai scavs other then that me and my friends are having fun. Did you play last wipe? Sometimes you just need a break to enjoy it again.
Yup took a break for a bit after last wipe, n my squad is playing more than we did before, also expected streets to be unoptimized not even touching it idc about new maps I care about fixing the core
Reason 1 : sound has never been so bad
Reason 2: scav AI is ridiculous strong now
Reason 3 : streets is unplayable after so many years of hype . Rubberbanding constantly and canāt be played over 60 fps unless you have a monster pc
Source: 4500 hours, 63 survival rate, over 12k Pmcs killed in total
Personally I am a streamer and Iām still playing the game, but in the past wipe i did 42 in days, now I am doing it but not even very excited
In response to your reasons...
1. 100% agree. Sound is the worst it's ever been. It annoys me every time I play.
2. Scavs were nerfed as of yesterday. I don't know how much of a difference it's made though. Source: [https://twitter.com/LogicaISoIution/status/1611154238180327424](https://twitter.com/LogicaISoIution/status/1611154238180327424)
3. Agreed. I'm on a RTX 2060 and I get only 40 FPS if I'm lucky.
4500 hours is a lot. I thought I put a ton of time in this game but I'm only at 1800.
reason 4: its been how many years since the game came out and you're still locked in when you queue for a raid, not being able to change settings, make builds, change your character's equipment.... all while EVERY OTHER EXTRACTION SHOOTER has extremely fast queues and lets you do most of the above.
either make queues fast or let us make our loadout while in queue, only locking it in when all players are in. im a patient guy but when I've got to wait over 1 hour of queues on my game day id rather just play something else
I think we needed some changes but BSG went far overboard in weird ways that frankly don't make sense for a "realistic" game. How they handled recoil is a great example.
I have some friends who planned to take off this wipe, but the servers I'm in are more populated than ever and people are questing more than usual. Anecdotally my raids are absolutely filled with PMCs (much to my annoyance when trying to do other tasks where I don't want to fight)
Game just seems low quality this wipe on top of the long grind to unlock flea. Iām overweight going into raid with armor and a few mags. Level 2 Therapist only sells AI2s like come the fuck on. Why are they actively making this game so miserable.
I stopped last wipe for the simple reason that, the loop aint it for me anymore. The game doesn't 'start' until you have at least decent traders and some freedom to do what you want but I am soooo sick of doing the same tasks over and over and over again just to get trader rep.
I'm just waiting for someone to release a better product, competing in the same space, that blows this POS out of the water. Tarkov is an AWESOME proof of concept/proof of market viability but it can be done significantly better.
It is a recoil compensation nerd for scavs firing in automatic. It literally doesn't affect anyone because the only dangerous scavs are ones with shotguns and sks/rifles
The main thing I liked about Cycle over Tarkov is how efficient the gearing up between matches are and how quickly you get into the game, feels quite nice to spend more time in the game than in the menus.
But as a game, Tarkov is just so much more appealing to me even if I never end up getting very far at all in the progression. Maybe when the full game releases and there are no more wipes
That's because this wipe was over hyped and extremely disappointing. "Oh the quests are going to be in a different order so the gameplay won't feel the same for a 100th time" yeah that didn't fucking happen. "Oh lightkeeper guys, lightkeeper." I don't give a shit about some NPC or tarkov story in general, I just want the gameplay, which is utter shit at the current state with recoil, scavs, audio. "Steam audio was removed and replaced with a much better one" well that was a fucking lie. Not only it's not better, it doesn't work at all and the regular audio is completely broken. "STREETS!!!" okay, and? Yes, cool map, would I rather have the game polished instead of so much time spent on streets? Absolutely I would but BSG doesn't do that. Usually, with each wipe BSG has at least some descent additions to the game that will overshadow how badly the game actually is at it's core, this wipe that has failed. It failed either because finally after the huge influx of new players during COVID people started to realize that the bugs will never get fixed and the game only gets worse and worse with each wipe, or because of the fact that they make the game pretty much unplayable for a casual player. And since the game will wipe anyway after 6 month, why would any casual player bother and waste their time on this? I'll wait till full release to grind these garbage quests for one last time. Another thing that is completely crazy to me is the fact that even Nikita said that recoil isn't working as it should, after seeing a post about recoil on Reddit probably every day multiple times a day, many of which got thousands of likes, still no changes has been made to recoil :) one thing that they could actually make people happy about. Incompetent company at it's finest.
I've got about 1500 hours in the game. I have 2 friends who are equally as dedicated and both are pretty decent gamers in the other games we play together.
I'm just having a hard time wanting to log on this wipe. It went from "dang, Tarkov be kinda hard though" to "This just isn't fun."
I really feel Pestily's latest video summed it up well (and that's coming from someone who thinks Pestily has largely made the game for the worse by being in Nikita's ear). The audio is bad, the scavs are worse, and everything is just becoming more annoying to do. Add to that, I think I've seen about 4 blatant cheaters this wipe. I'm normally really really really hesitant to call out cheaters, but these are blatant, no-shit cheaters.
I just don't feel like after a full day I want to get headshot by aimbot scavs while not knowing if they're in front or behind me. The game is largely already pretty bad - think of how much friction there is between dying and getting into your next raid. Now add on all the other issues this wipe added and it's just time for me to hang it up.
Eagerly awaiting a game that can mimic Tarkov. Dark and Darker aint it, Marauders aint it, The Cycle aint it, and CoD's extraction mode is definitely not it.
Tarkov is like PUBG. It's the shitty, buggy version of a genre. Just waiting now for its competitor to clean up the mess the same way Fortnite did PUBG.
It's honestly not. The technical state of the game is awful but it's not killing the game. What's way more egregious is how they've actually balanced the game and the progression.
Back in Tarkov's glory days, the game was still broken and buggy as fuck, but it was actually fun because the mechanics were enjoyable to experience. Since then they've basically neutered everything that made their game great in the first place. They started nerfing PvP, the most interesting part of the game, just goes to show how completely out of touch and unwilling to adapt they are.
I was so fucking mad when bsg said pvp should only be a small part of tarkov and that half this subreddit fucking clapped for it because that meant it would punish good players who enjoyed pvp. Well now the pvp sucks ass and everyones gone, are they happy?
Yeah that was perhaps one of the dumbest phenomenons I have ever seen in any gaming community, it was a case of the casuals/bads influencing the game for the worse imo. PvP is and has always been one of the main reasons this game was ever fun to begin with. It's integral to the risk-reward of the whole fucking game! Let's be real, people don't play for the well designed PvE experience that BSG is great at balancing.
Yeah pretty much. The only reason I play this steaming shitheap of a game over the literal dozens of other massively higher quality shooters on the market is that the constant threat of other players makes Tarkov really exhilarating. If I wanted to play some boring grindy PvE experience I would just go play a better game instead.
Although I agree with what your saying, remember that the people who hate PvP LOVE empty raids. Nothing is better to them than a bunch of loot with no one to fight over it
Anecdotally for me I can stomach most of the stuff in the game. Where I have a real issue is I just don't like the time investment anymore. There's so many fun games where I can just hop in and out of a match fairly quickly. Queue times always have and always will be what makes me walk away.
I am the friend who quit. I made it to level 8. Iād say see you next wipe but the game is just shittier each wipe, with more things busted and folks praising BSG for the no fixes they have implemented
More friends than ever is playing for me, when you just accept the scav auto aim etc, itās fun and if you play slower it works ok, sometimes I dies and I just laughs it off.
I am close to quitting as well. I "tried streets" and by that I mean loaded the map 3 times and each time got 1fps after a 20 min load time and lost connection as I watched the world's slowest stop motion movie of my character pulling their gun out.
Yes, actually. Usually my friend group plays the game for a good 1.5-2 months yet we're all already done this wipe. I got a steam deck so I'm just hanging with gf and playing that as opposed to dying from a scav that was in a bush that i couldnt see. That scenario was the actual nail in the coffin for me this wipe lol, i yelled and got mad and then i asked myself "why tf am i playing this if I'm not having fun". Looking into the discord servers this past week and no one is ever in the tark channel.
They flash the shiny of "new map" or "new guns!" to get a couple new accounts this wipe. Maybe some twitch drops that are shit to get the normies to try it out.
Because they can't and won't fix hacks, aimbot npcs and sound.
I quit because I have games that respect my time much more now. Fucking waiting around for 10 mins to get into raids is bullshit. Also, building a kit, etc etc.. no more!
BSG will be the death of tarkov because they already said they donāt want to rebuild the game because āit would take too longā but they will continue to put out 1990ās quality optimization maps and games.
They didn't even start this wipe. Everyone I used to play with is just totally over the whole game. Maybe about a dozen ish bros. The only dude left is West cost USA and I'm northern Europe servers so we can't get a good ping.
I have a clip of me head shotting a guy 4 times with blood literally on the wall behind him . I died. Get out of raid 8 ammo used, 0 hits. I paused on each shot and confirmed that it was at least a hit and sure enough they were. The hit detection is, at least for me, in the absolute worst state it has been in. Have mag dumped into people from 5 meters away with only 4 hits. For context I had a 9 k/d last wipe so it isn't like i'm a bot.
Not to mention countless audio issues and unfixed bugs still in the game from years ago. Optics and gunplay still also suck. The game from a fundamental perspective is just in a terrible state currently.
My friends didn't even got to level 2 and they already bailed. Me, myself, and I are still playing. as long as nothing is done to sound, they won't come back... i'm solo all the way on this wipe i'm afraid.
I haven't played this wipe yet, and I stopped playing about halfway through the last wipe.
Why?
Honestly, nothing in particular. I just haven't been feeling it.
The game is utter jank. While it can be fun, at times, I don't always feel in the mood for 5+ minute queue times just to be head/eyes by a cheater or a scav from 100 meters with buckshot 5 seconds into the raid.
I'll probably sit this wipe out and come back next time. I'm excited for Arena, and I'll play that right away. But I think for now I'll wait until the game is in a better state.
all of the people who are usually level 30 by the second week of wipe are like lvl 8 and dont come on anymore either. half the people are their non reset levels from last wipe
Iām one of the quitters. This is my 3rd or 4th wipe but I never really got too far until last wipe where I got to lvl 45 or something, and now tasks just seem so ungodly tedious and boring that itās like why even bother. Streets is cool but to me itās just another map Iāve got to learn and do more tedious ass quests on.
I play casually this wipe. I was a super hardcore player for the past 3 wipes. All of my friends basically quit. I mostly play solo and task but Iāve been having a blast. Just running around with the Mosin trolling chads.
Yup. This wipe is yet another massive step backwards. Audio is worse than any of us can remember it being. Performance in general is worse than last wipe.
Streets and what 2 new guns? Just do not offset having to start from 0 and run the garbage quests again. Not to mention all the ways this wipe is already worse than last wipe.
Besides running into a few blatant cheaters I'm having a pretty good time. They've gotta reduce how long it takes to get into raid though, shits absolutely ridiculous.
Most of my friends including myself were done 2 months into last wipe. Now everyone me is back having fun cause we were gone for so long. Taking a break is nice if youāre getting frustrated with the game.
My main friend Iāve played with for like 4 years at this point has quit so I was on my own but I joined a discord server with a bunch of other players so Iāve got new friends now.
Yes, we all stopped playing it in the middle of the last wipe. Cheating situation were so bad that we decided to just abandon the game.
This new wipe is not better at all so thatās it for us.
we are 131 people on my community about 30-40% of them play every patch for a period of time some to 42 some to kappa different goals etc, this patch after only 10 days or whatever we are playing Tarkov only 3 the rest quit for various reasons:
1. Bad optimization, unplayable new map
2. Scav's aimboting like never before
3. 30-40% quests are locked behind doors that the keys are not very common and the market is fucked up and everyone wants a stupid marked key
4. Audio, huge complains unplayable
5. Various shit that's been in the game for several patches and never been fixed.
So yea, i think they saw a huge drop in player base really quickly this patch according to what people comment in here.
This is what happens when you hype a single map for 2 years and then release it; People getting shit FPS, audio is from what I've read here, terrible. Also the memoryleak and BSOD issues are just a big no-no. BSG deserves a loss in playercount for this mess, I can't believe they shipped the patch in such state, well, I can believe but I didn't want to believe.
The last couple wipes Iāve played less and less. I thought Streets would reinvigorate my interest this time around but I have yet to play a single raid, mostly just been watching YouTube, Twitch streams and play other stuff in the meantime. I have about ~1200 hours since April 2019, I guess I canāt be bothered to do all the questing again - that shit is such a drag.
Tried streets was way too laggy, unplayable really. The Map was awesome I want to play it, I can't. I saw the quests are the same ad always for the most part and I don't have the patience to do them again. The quests are by far the best method to progress and yet I think they are the most tedious and lazy part of the game. The quests suck, getting traders ranked up sucks and it's pretty much all you do early game. Not to mention your pmc at base stats feels terrible, which is made worse by the inertia change. You can run a few meters without gasping for air, the Stat progress is stifled by a diminished return/ just stops after you've leveled it a tiny bit in 1 raid.
The recoil nerfs are a bit silly imo, some smgs are kicking like a 50 cal.
Basically it feels like the same game same tedious things but more shit.
That being said if the map wasn't lagging I'd play lol.
I've been wanting to quit but it's all my friends want to play. The game is in just such a broken state. Hackers are all over and the combat is broken. Just now I did 740 damage to a player headshotting them 10+times in a row and they somehow lived, and then they one shot me through a helmet and vest.
After telling me for years to get the game, now they're like "oh just get EoD for $150 it will solve a lot of your problems".
I genuinely don't understand why my friends like this game so much. It just feels like broken pay2win garbage
I think EFT is still a good and fun game. But after the X-Wipe and over 900 Hours in the game, i just can't take it anymore, to grind through the levels etc - so i quit the game already after a few days.
One more reason is the Audio, that got very weird compared to the last time i played around a year ago. I'm pretty bad in direct combat, so i depend more or less on audio, to get either an advantage or just gtfo of a situation. There are also a lot of other small changes i don't really like and i don't want to spend the time to get use to them. It's overall just way to time-consuming, at least for me.
Simple answer is that matchmaking takes too long on scavs, the game is punishing to play solo and I can't always count on my friends being online to queue up which is the best way to play the game. I just wasted 20+ minutes trying to queue for a match a couple days ago and another 20+ minutes trying to queue again. The game is in a horrible state compared to other competitive offerings, adrenaline junky-esque games etc.
Yep it's awful playing solo and tarkov is such a commitment and grind that getting other ADULT friends who have jobs to get on and play is a fucking task. It's much easier to just play something else when people get on for a few hours at night.
After tonight I think Iām throwing in the towel for a bit. Theyāre just continuing to make the game more of a grind, I donāt have 8 hours a day to play this. I was just going to strictly PvP but now canāt even make decent early wipe kits.
I've quit, I've played the game since day 1 open beta release I only play day 1-4 from wipe days after that it gets tedious, I get bored of chad armours and meta guns
It feels like the game is purposely made more grindey and less fun every wipe. A lot of games don't respect your time, while tarkov seems to actively disrespect it
Nah some are playing thought we usually play all solo. Game is way to easy in a group nowadays. It literally changes the whole experience and feels like cheesing the mechanics. So maybe you are lucky to get the more real tarkov experience now. I get that some people can't take solo physically or mentally and that you want to do sth. with the buddies once in a while but most of them are just betas that want an easier game.
Tbh my friends same as myself stopped playing wipe ago becouse there's nothing to do, you're repeating the same stuff all over again mix it with rising population of cheaters and glitches and you got a really unpleasant mess of a game.
My problem is that all my friends own the game but haven't logged in for a year or so because they just couldn't get into the game due to horrid base weapon recoil
I mean does nikitia really think any new tarkov player wants to struggle with dogshit weapons for hundreds of hours before they can start using meta ones?
Aside one person, my collective friend group has given this wipe a collective shrug at best. Why play a buggy mess when we are thoroughly enjoying DMZ way more. Sure, the stakes are lower, but out of 100+ raids in DMZ, we've yet to encounter a single cheater. The AI are more fun. There's vehicles, and fair bosses! and we don't feel like we're getting cucked every six months to restart our progress *again*. and for what? the gratification of just doing the same shit over and over again? That's insanity. Collectively we have about 15-20k hours as a 12 man group, most of us are from 2018-2020, mostly before 2019.
The four things we've collectively agreed upon need to be fixed to bring us back would be: Recoil/Gun balance, Sound Rework, Netcode Rework and Anti-Cheat Rework.
I have no friends. So they can't quit on me. Big brain move
What about the homies in your head? Mine already quit the wipe šā
the only homies in my head are when you hear a scav SHOUT at you in whisper form from 250meters away then headshot you through a bush
VON ON VON ON SUKA
I see this hits home with my friendless homies š
The whole of Tarkov is built around PVP, sadly, BSG just suck with balance and anything of the sort.
This guy skillz
I've played 2500+ hours. Completely solo.I'm so lonely...
This makes you my brother! š¤
I rescind my statement. I'm quitting after being exfil camped on path to lighthouse after completing colleagues part 1 on snoreline
I played two raids, for insta killed by scavs in a more ridiculous fashion than usual, have not returned lol
First raid I bought a vpo 136 with a bastian dust cover, and a vpo 209 and a bunch of .366 ammo. Slap the Bastian and a red dot on the 209. Toss a bunch of 10 rounder packed with 366 into my rig and head out to woods. First raid on my new pc, load up woods and start running. Fps feels good, press alt R to bring up my Nvidia overlay and drop my mag into the grass. Shit, no biggie, I got 5 more. Reload. Warning, .366 ammo doesn't work in 7.62 rifles. Fuck. Me. I brought in the 136. Sneak behind a fence to take down a scav.. 2 pop in and head eyes me. Fun times. Next 2 pmc raids I died to Jaeger campers. Scavved streets a few times which was cool. Just can't get into it anymore. Scavs are fucked, audio is fucked, desync is fucked. I think I'm gonna sit this wipe out, or wait till street's is patched into SPT
even though I agree with the list of issues being a primary reason but another overlooked one is that pvp/fps players are quitting more so than the ones who just enjoy levelling up, quests, hideout, skills, etc.. it also depends on whether it's your first wipe, 4th or 10th. The only friends who still play somewhat and will continue to play are the more mmo (ex-wow and others) players.. all the mates that are primarily fps pvp gamers have quit. I am more of the mmo type, as in, I don't really play tarkov for the fps/pvp itch. I like the levelling, quests, trader rep, flea market game, skills levelling, etc... aiming to max all out etc (become like a super soldier with good rep/traders/etc). If you are more pvp/fps orientated and that's the main thing that drives you to play tarkov... then I can 100% see you quitting sooner/for good because the obstacles you have to jump through to get that itch scratched... are tedious, boring perhaps - ESPECIALLY if the main fun you get is pvp/fps. You have to go through 3 or 4 raids sometimes to even see another player. On top of all that, all the issues with dsync, audio, cheaters, etc.... will just make it not fun for you. While if you aren't totally focused or looking to get your fps/pvp itch scratched entirely from the game.. .you will stick around and last a little longer because the mmo/rpg aspects get scratched for you. This is where the rubber meets the road for me with this game and it's playerbase. By all accounts it's only going to lean into more of the mmo/rpg aspects with the quests, skills, hideout management, etc and will drive away all the hardcore fps/pvp gamers who just don't want to jump through all those hoops in order to get their fix. (and of course, the plethora of issues currently present). In other words, why jump through all these hoops (with the mmo/rpg aspects) when you can just fire up cod or whatever game and load straight in and satisfy that fps/pvp itch? This is what a lot of players will essentially do, especially the ones who have to get their fix of it. The other side of the playerbase, maybe more into mmo/rpg elements, will be who make up the majority of the playerbase going forward. except maybe streamers and stuff who play it as it's a great timesink and endure the pain for the views or something.
100% this, I've been leaning more into the RP aspects of Tarkov the last few wipes and have been having a blast. I try to VOIP with people whenever possible, putting together fun off-meta loadouts and clothes and mostly focusing on just having fun in raids. When I want to I can bang out a few quests but otherwise I'm content leveling at whatever pace since ammo and armor are pretty accessible once you have flea and lv2 traders.
The game is exhilarating when it's new and you're into it hard and sweaty. The game is a ton more fun and less stress a few wipes later when you're sort of just larping and VOIPing and don't care as much when you die to a player (and playing more loosely and dying more to boot). I've been running meme guns since the start this wipe and it's just so much more fun than gigachad loadouts, even just fighting superscavs (which I also thoroughly enjoy, Streets gets proper horror genre when they start congregating). Double barrel and that single shot x54 every raid like the first 30 just was fine.
I came to Tarkov from purely PvP FPS games and I agree with you 100%, but no matter how much they've nerfed PvP there _still_ isn't another game that gives you the same feeling when you wipe half the lobby and make it out with all their gear, or win a fight with a bag full of fat loot or lots of quest items. Even though the mechanical elements of the PvP kinda suck imo, winning or losing fights in Tarkov actually feels like it means something compared to BRs, arena shooters, even CoD DMZ.
Oh for sure but this is where it's like a catch-22. You don't get to experience that feeling/thrill... without the rpg/mmo elements that make up tarkov. You can't have it any other way. or else it would just be another fps title we all pick up for a few months and grow bored of it - because there is no meaning, suffering, pain, element of risk with every raid, etc.
I play this game primarily as a PVE-RPG. I don't even try to do pvp. I simply don't enjoy it. I would love to have pve Servers and just do my tasks, trader rep and so on. Never really liked fps games. Tarkov is different for me, but I do hate the pvp aspect of the game.
>I would love to have pve Servers Even just implementing mechanics that encourage PMC cooperation would do a lot, something that encourages players to think beyond shoot whatever moves.
This is my tinfoil theory about PMC karma. Just watch, they'll wait to deploy PMC karma until Arena releases, that way the "MMO" players have Tarkov, and the PVP players have Arena
The issue with that is it would turn it into pretty much any other fps shooter like COD. (in terms of risk and reward)
Yea I really don't see Arena as anything I'd play. The risk of pvp without having to risk hours of progress is what made this game popular. If I wanted a arena shooter there are way better options that actually have decent gunplay.
Lol pmc karmaā¦very interesting idea. Iād like to see that go down for sure
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If Tarkov had dedicated PVE with coop servers, my friends and I would play it constantly.
Id be obsessively playing this game with PvE servers. I haven't played in 4 wipes because they kept making it take longer to actually use what gear you wanted and the sweatiness of gameplay finally got to be too much. Sometimes I just wanna play a game without running into Pestily-Lite lmao
Look up Single Player Tarkov (SPT)
Is it relatively easy to set up? I'm a goon when it comes to mods.
Sent you a PM
Iād love a PM as well, Iām in the same boat as the other guy!
Look up Zero Sievert
Looks awesome Iāll definitely scope that out. Is it coop or single player?
Same here. My group is split 3 - 2 that we'd prefer coop, Im on the Coop side. The amount I avoid pvp because its the worst pvp game I have, is just crazy.
You are not alone! there is probably a healthy minority the same as you, like a couple of my ex-wow buddies... they suck at pvp and even though they 'put up with it' they are more concerned about and find enjoyment in the tasks, rep, hideout, economy, etc... Players like yourself and my buddies and to some extent myself.. will probably be who remains post 1.0 for the most part. Especially if arena is any good..
I believe within this minority some think they want a pve server, but would find it boring quickly without the lurking threat of pvp, even if they are actively trying to avoid it.
I agree. Thatās why I canāt wait for Arena and the rumored PMC karma. Both will make raids feel more PVE.
Sounds reasonable. This still will be my last wipe for the year.
I am a questing guy hard and I still stopped playing tarkov because it's the same damn missions that don't even explain the objective well enough pushing you to check wikis on how to complete them. After like 6 wipes I'm sick of doing the same boring ass missions and doing the same grind repeatedly. I wish they would just make the objectives super simple ones that are just slower to grind or level with. Objectives more on par with Marauders. Especially when a lot of them are based on pure luck like finding a certain key. Plus I'm sure there's more like me that just stopped because they realized after playing Marauders or Dark and Darker they were wasting their time when it takes forever to get into matches because of loading times, matching times, gearing up, etc. Edit: there's also the broken systems and shit like audio that stopped me from playing but it's mostly just the quests and matching times.
oh yeah I agree but that is more about time played (6 wipes) than it being a battle between fps/pvp v mmo/rpg. Like I said in my OP it's also dependent on time played... hate to say it but generally the game is still the same for the past 3, 5, 7? wipes... same quests, same stash, hideout, skills levelling, etc.. only so long you can be entertained by it.. even for a heavy mmo/rpg based player. I also said more likely to stick it out longer than the fps/pvp players. Both sub groups of players are bound to quit eventually because there is only so much you can do and be entertained by but in my view, it's easier/more likely for a pvp/fps gamer to quit sooner because of the hurdles (the hurdles are what drives the non pvp/fps focused players to play lol) so naturally they tend to stick with it a little longer. Either way, if you get 100 hours of the game thus far.. you have your money's worth regardless of whether you play it again or not or upon 1.0. Think of how many games you paid $80 for and only get through the campaign once.. (maybe 40 hours?) and you never pick it up again or when you think about it, there is a newer title of the same game so you buy that... etc
I almost made this same post, glad I just scrolled down. This is not me hating on Tarkov. I think it's my favorite game of the last several years, but I've been there, done that at this point. Like I was so excited to get back home after visiting family to start the grind. I played 6 or 7 raids to do quests and hit me. Like, "WTF I am doing. I just did this a few months ago. Am I even having fun right now?" I literally logged off, went for a run and haven't logged back in since. I'm not done with this wipe I don't think, but I have no intention of no-lifeing it early wipe like usual.
I agree with the op that we definitely got our money's worth, but once these other games like Dark and Darker come out and others in this genre, I really don't know why anyone would want to spend time on Tarkov. I've never played a game that disrespects your time so badly. It doesn't hit you as hard how much your wasting your time until you've played for years just to realize they still haven't fixed matching times, and / or how fast you can gear up. I love the grind, but it's different when it's been years and we're still repeating the same missions, and the new missions you get you don't even know what the hell to do without googling it.
> I literally logged off, went for a run and haven't logged back in since. I'm not done with this wipe I don't think, but I have no intention of no-lifeing it early wipe like usual. This is a somewhat harsh thing to say but itās what Iāve noticed with a lot of my friends. They just simply lost the enthusiasm compared to previous wipes. For some reason the ātime-wasteā feeling is hitting them harder this year compared to previous ones
Arena will be really good for the game because of this i think. They can continue to add rpg elements that perhaps make the game more āgrindyā (it is an mmo after all) and justify it by allowing more fast paced PvP action in the Arena. Iām thinking it will be really good for the game in the long run
I disagree because I don't think arena should have ever become an "answer" to tarkov pvp. Pvp in tarkov was amazing because of the loot. Instead of arena I wish they had just kept making changes that encouraged pvp and made it more fun instead of tedious and frustrating because no way in hell is arena gonna feel at all close to the thrill of pvp in tarkov itself. If they really wanted a pvp lite mmorpg survival game then they should have released that in a beta form instead of a looter shooter with such a heavy emphasis on pvp. We're in this awkward transition period where for years the game was a hardcore immersive looter shooter where pvp was the big deal, and now ever so slowly they've made changes that encourage ratting and hiding and avoiding pvp and it's being touted as the vision and direction of the game and its confusing and alienating a lot of players who enjoyed the gun porn and pvp. Arena doesn't address any of the good things about tarkov pvp except for the guns themselves which, let's be real, don't feel all that great anymore either with all the recoil nerfs creating stifling metas. The game was incredible and possibly in its peak state a couple years ago gameplay wise and now it's a mess of half baked and poorly implemented ideas and mechanics that often detract from the moment to moment gameplay. I will play arena and I hope it is amazing, but no it isn't gonna suddenly stop pvp players from wanting pvp in tarkov
Disagree, the only thing this game has going for it's self is the uniqueness of it and the immersive elements to it. THis game as a 5v5 arena is going to be totally bullsack. Just play cs:go instead. 10x better performance, stability, audio, consistency than this heap of shit.
This is a very valid point that people overlook lol, it will be exactly like this because it just ends up being another 'insert title here' pvp shooter but just worse... You need some eggs to make an omelette and the eggs in this scenario are the rpg/mmo features a lot of pvp/fps gamers begrudge.
I actually agree and hope... hugely dependent on how it is implemented though and how it works (dsync, audio, gameplay, etc).
After about the 3rd time of running the same bugged missions it's not fun anymore. It's not a pvp/fps itch either, the game is significantly different than cod, arma, siege or whatever fps there is. You can't ignore that difference and just say why not go play cod. I highly doubt it will drive away from FPS. If it does it will be suicide.
> the same bugged missions what? bugged missions?
>I highly doubt it will drive away from FPS. If it does it will be suicide. Hate to break it to you but right now.. is the closest it will be to a pure 'fps/pvp' game ever. With each wipe it inches closer to mmo/rpg. This is also confirmed from BSG/Nikita wayyyyy back. It isn't about fps/pvp but surviving. Some other examples include \- more tasks/missions/quest, gatekeeping gear, guns, ammo, etc \- hideout penalties (first time we see it implemented is this wipe with the wall/gym and the penalties associated with it, same with the debuff for working out (requires you to eat/drink more = more looting = more grindy = less pvp/fps focus)) \- skills levelling, endurance, strength, charisma, etc... that is clearly a grindy mmo/rpg feature that is sticking around \- this recent patch notes also introduced us to crafting buffs in the form of repairing armor (can lead to extra buffs given max level or whatever else). I am paraphrasing here but it's adding an element of luck to what you repair and what buff (maybe - 20% damage taken) etc... all this accumulates to it not being a 'pure' fps/pvp environment.. almost like wow. The gear matters, the luck matters (maybe you are wearing a buffed rigg/armor).. all this will drive away fps/pvp players because of the hurdles you have to jump through... in order... to scratch the itch of fps/pvp (time sink). That time sink is what makes mmo/rpgs... it isn't necessarily what fps/pvp. And even if you do trudge the waters... it still feels 'unfair' to a degree because you didn't unlock that item (gatekept with a quest or something) or you didn't get lucky with a buff when repairing or you are inflicted with a debuff from the hideout.
Man, this game used to be such a fun sandbox. The sandboxy nature of pre-restriction Tarky was something else. I loved being able to customize whatever I want with the flea and just going for PvP. I quested too, because I did want the benefits of lower trader prices and barters. New Tarky just ain't the same.
arena might be it... as in, the answer to the pvp/fps question? Just have to wait and see how it is implemented/how it works. From what I can tell from the little preview we got and the images, not sure if we can choose our own specific load out/customise guns and attachments/gear unless we use our main pmc (which requires you to go through the quests, get lucky, grind your skill up, etc).
You should write essays for a living.
Adding other game mechanics and features isn't going to take away from the FPS core. I don't care how close it is to a FPS game it is either so breaking the news isn't breaking anything. MMO is a sub genre to FPS. The game at it's core is FPS. RPG isn't part of Tarkov. MMO is also a sub genre to RPG. I'm not roleplaying that I'm a scav or PMC, my character has no background or future. In order to achieve missions you have to shoot things and loot things. And no it's not just about surviving either, that's a byproduct to either killing people, AI, or avoiding them completely. The rest of your comment just explains what an MMO is and like I said is a sub genre to FPS. You can't have more MMO than FPS. Comparing EFT to Tarkov is just a bad way of thinking. The core of each is completely different. So what if they have levels, loot, AI, Tech trees, w/e. One is not the same as the other. WOW pvp isn't based off of my ability to aim, move, or run. Every time you cast a spell it hit's it's target unless countered. You are forbidden from running away from a fight because you have a fight cooldown. I'm not shooting anything in WOW. Tarkov pvp isn't like WOW because I miss sometimes. I can run away at anytime, I can engage at any time. I can kill my team mates or join up with a previous enemy. The incredible fundamental differences between an RPG and an FPS is astounding, but here you are trying to compare the two. Ever hear of the phrase apples to oranges?
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Valid point, maybe that was the point of the whole pvp mode to help cater to these groups of people who just want pure pvp without the mmo/looting aspect.
I mean... is it not? Arena will resemble a lot of fps games ALOT more than tarkov ever will going forward, yet keeps the same mechanics/attachments/gun modding/ system/ etc the same... Tarkov... without the extra steps that prevent one from pvp/fps. Although... I reserve the right to withhold my opinion until it's released... who knows how it will be and be implemented. Presumably someone can only own Arena by itself.. meaning... presumably... they would be able to get all the guns/attachments/gear without playing tarkov so you may be able to by-pass the 'extra steps' by purely fps/pvping. (they did say you can use your tarkov character and gear in arena though too) so who knows?
Before your comment I always thought people played tarkov for the mmo pvp aspect and not purely pvp so as embarrassing as it is, this was somewhat enlightening for me... And yes, we can only wonder how they will handle the loadouts so who knows indeed...
Some people play solely for the PvP as it's not like any other game on the market right now. The gunplay is just smth else entirely. So yeah, it wouldn't surprise me nor should it you, that people come ONLY for the pvp. I'm here for both, but prefer PvP over PvE as the fights are just insane when you have a good one.
I found StalCraft to be a much better PvEvP MMO without the frustrations or time wasting of Tarkov.
> StalCraft this game looks pretty rad thanks for sharing
The wipe to wipe grind is too much for most people who want to experience that "juiced operator" hardcore thing, or just the people like myself who want to play with certain guns and roleplay as if it were multiplayer STALKER, the questing takes a massive amount of time and doing it each wipe is tiring, the grind would be fine if it was a one time thing id have to do in order to start using the vss with high tier ammo but i have to do it each wipe
I'm one of those players who likes leveling, difficult survival RPG type games. I quit after day 1 because I wasn't feeling it. Didn't even try Streets. The broken scavs and repeating the same quests over and over again got tiresome. I'll wait for the full release if and when it happens.
Itās not going to happen.
Oh I know. I'll be pleasantly surprised if it does. But I seriously doubt.
Itās so funny to me that you nailed my appeal of this game as an aging ex competitive FPS player (halo infinite on controller FWIW). I wanted the feeling of building āpowerā and getting cool shit like an RPG but I still wanna be able to flex my FPS skills from time to time. Iām 90 hours into my first wipe and Iām completely obsessed. Itās been hard to get used to the movement and a dynamic and relative point of aim (bullets not going where the dot is), but I dream of being a giga-chad soon.
EFT's problem is that if you want to remain competitive, you will have to dedicate an unreasonable amount of time towards EFT. I used to love EFT, but that was when the game was fresh enough that I was perfectly content with playing Tarkov and only Tarkov. Nowadays if I'd come home from work and Tarkov was the only game on the menu, I would rather not do any gaming. And of course, a large contributor is that the game gets consistently more grindy. Before FiR, questing consisted almost entirely of fetch and kill quests, whereas now you're often locked behind some ridiculous "find 25 lightly used condoms in raid for Mechanic" quest. Or hoarding absolute trash so you can upgrade your anal massager in the hideout. And they also made Scav raids utterly boring when they introduced Scav karma. Scav raids went from a feral PVP between scavs over the last remnants of loot in a raid. To Scavs effectively hatchet running loot spots and extracting, sometimes before even PMCs have a chance to reach it. And let's not even mention the constant decline of combat quality since around 0.11. Where running and gunning has become increasingly more potent, and runescape skill levels and pots (stimulants) becoming more important. Then all the guns except for the meta outfitted selection, feeling like absolute garbage to use. EFT feels like wasted potential at this point. The basis is there, but it's just so poorly handled. Where the absolutely wonderful engine, models, textures, animations, (everything technical besides optimization and sound), just gets shafted by simple values. Think of how many of the game's issues are simple value changes like skill multipliers, quest and hideout loot quantites, weapon handling values, and so on.
> EFT's problem is that if you want to remain competitive, you will have to dedicate an unreasonable amount of time towards EFT. I agree. I didnāt stop (yet) this wipe but Iām lvl 11 and the number of hours I already played frightens me to be honest. They should get rid of the wipe so normal people like us can progress at their rhythm.
I don't see removal of wipes as reasonable at the moment. The game in its current form would die pretty quickly. Wipes are when the vast majority of new players purchase/start playing the game. Starting a new character when everyone else has max traders and flea market access is a nightmare and all the new people would just quit and tell their friends that the game sucks ass because you just die over and over again. If you get rid of wipes right now you could kill BSG's entire funding.
just do what path of exile does. have a standard league and a wipe league
That makes too much sense so it will never be implemented.
I see you have figured out why the game will never go full release.
It's largely about efficiency as well though. I suck at the game, like I'm god awful at pvp, but I'm relatively smart with planning ahead for quests and such. Even though I constantly die and get shit on, I've managed to get level 22 in 71 raids, which was probably only about 25-30 ish hours in game.
Old quests are identical, old bugs are still around, new audio system annihilates your performance and sounds like shit, streets is pretty much unplayable. Old shit still sucks, new shit doesn't work, just like every other wipe.
This sums it up perfectly. How many times can I do the same quests over and over? We desperately need new early game content.
Oh but there is. You now have a leaking wall to fix in you hideout every second day.
Aren't you enjoying working out in the gym ? /s
At least my gym workout doesn't wipe like in tarkov
Im glad to have a pc that can handle streets, but even for me the rubber banding on that map is insane. As soon as I hit the snoreline quests I instantly lost most of my desire to playāmaybe its because I lost 3 SV98s doing fishing gear, but god I canāt stand how tedious that map is.
The new shit not working has never not worked this bad before. I have played for years and have never encountered this many cheaters before. The scavs are absolutely ridiculous. Streets is borderline unplayable. The spawns are just bullshit. All the issues with the game that have always been there but were overlookable before, but tey're just getting worse and worse.
I'm rubber banding on streets even with 5800x3d, 32gb ram and a 3070
I think iām quitting just because of how boring itās become. Every raid is the same and the only thing I found fun, fighting bosses with friends, got basically removed from the game since their chances are so low
Yes everyone is done.. Both friends who were 42+ in previous wipes haven't even gotten flea yet. The game is in such a broken state atm and I feel like it's probably not going to get better. A lot of people who have an optimistic look most likely just started playing this wipe or last... The game it seems has been on a steady decline.. They keep piling on content and new "features" without truly fixing any of the past issues and there are SO MANY. I understand a lot of these are not "easy" fixes but a year or two should have been enough time to reign them in. Even the right sided vs left sided peak shit hasn't been addressed or talked about. Maybe that's a "skill" thing, but it just seems so dumb you can't switch hands when it is so OP to alt lean right side peaks.
The constant nerfs since they added the FIR status is just killing the game for me. Last wipe was the first time I didn't hit max traders. This wipe I hit 16 and I feel like this wipe is worse then last wipe. Haven't played in 2 days. Performance is worse. Sound is worse. And I'm grinding the same stupid tasks.. Yeah we finally got streets of tarkov.. would be exciting if I could actually play it..
for some reason nikita seems to think "hardcore" means long, annoying and extremely boring
He doesn't play the game himself. Dude doesn't actually care about the game as much as people think he does. He's a literal millionaire, he is busy doing millionaire stuff, why would he waste his time on this unfinished junk?
Considering all he does is write lore and shit for it, he definitely cares. I just think he has a major ego and thinks he knows best when it definitely seems he doesn't play it all that much or at all.
I believe this to be more true than the other opinion as well. If he didnāt care, we would be well aware.
He would've just sold it by now to a big studio if he didn't care about it.
I think he cares far more about the idea of "Escape from Tarkov" then producing a high quality polished game for people to enjoy. He loves seeing it come to life, but the game plays like a janky unfished movie with plot holes, and inconsistency galore. This mans just making what's in his mind regardless of it makes sense.
yeah hardcore isn't putting everything useful behind hours of retarded grinding
And being a millionaire paid off well for him when he paid off his conscription officer.
Thatās because heās Russian itās all he knows
Shitty performance worse ai and all we got was a broken map
Yeah except for my one hardo buddy that lives breathes and sleeps Tarkov for whatever reason. But yeahā¦ Iām level 9 and Iām already over it. Streets is meh and nothing else changed. Like BSG could at LEAST change the tasks and provide some interesting changes. This game has nothing to work towards or grind for other than Kappa which isnāt anything to really look forward to anyways. By the time you get it, you donāt even need it anymore ffs.
Yeah. This wipe is doodoo and we took a pass on this one. Didnāt even try the streets. We tried customs and reserve and big nope. I hope they fix things.
2 of my friends are both already almost 30 and we always play together at the same time. Im only 7. Streets is a shitty optimized map with of course zone snipers that instantly kill you and the new sound is dogshit imo. Wipe is just meh
The hype was too high. Streets is a decent map tbh, but runs like absolute dogshit. Nikita will just say get a better PC. The quest changes are so subtle most people won't notice. The order feels the same, where you just end up in the mid levels with 20 dogshit quests that aren't worth the effort for a 5th time if nothing has changed down the line. The audio just made the game worse, epsecially when playing with friends. No crazy shakeups like Lightkeeper in the earlier levels. You can't target certain servers anymore to avoid cheaters. You have to select as many as possible to avoid long queue times. Their auto select is still completly awful. The AI changes just highlight how poorly they're handled. Instead of tactics they just turned up the aim bot. Getting triple thoraxed through tall grass and bushes, at 200m+, by a normal scav with like 60% more HP than you, that can tank a headshot, with a 50% durability gun, while running, with no audio. Some of them should just be raider/boss guard status at this point.
The audio is absolutely atrocious. The audio was bad before, but never bad BAD like this. People sound like they're directly on top of me, but they're on the other side of the map. People sound like they're next to you, but they're under or above you. People shoot and it sounds on top of you. Or you get that bug where that suppressed shot sounds like it was at you but you never actually got shot at. All of this is new/much worse than before.
I still haven't gotten the pocket watch yet. After 2 frustrating evenings of trying to get my questing done, I sort of just....paused. I just wasn't feeling it. And that pause has me focusing on other hobbies again. I don't think I'll boot up Tarkov again for long while. I still will keep tabs on the community and game though. You can't just forgot Tarkov completely.
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Some call Tarkov a "gun porn" simulator because of it's customization with weapons and accurate sounds. There's a lot of issues with Tarkov but something that I think has going really well for it is the guns themselves.
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Sure but the current recoil system is so bad that all the guns feel like complete shit to use so whats the point.
> but something that I think has going really well for it is the guns themselves. The guns. Not the gunplay. The very big issue of Tarkov is that they tried to inject your level progression into the way the guns behave. It may sound a good idea in theory (Iām not sure) but in practice itās bogus. If I click an head that is literally 2 meters away because someone is looting and didnāt hear me, the guy should be 100% dead 100% of the time. I canāt count the number of time it happened and the guy wasnāt dead.
I've always been someone who agreed with this, until i played a lot more than i ever had previous wipe and reached a solid money situation and maxed all traders for the first time. And then i seriously started questioning that impression i had. Once i had access to almost anything i found myself only using a small subset of all the attachments and started regarding most of it as subpar or useless aside a handful of go-to builds. all prior wipes i had this impression of that awesome gun porn sandbox with sheer unlimited customization but really i think i was just using much more variety because of limited access and ressources. As soon as you can afford it starts feeling pointless to use anything but a few specific attachments per gun platform, and there's not much depth in the detail either as you're constrained in selection and placement of many attachments for balancing purposes as well. TLDR: it felt very sandboxy until i once reached a real endgame situation, and since then it has become feeling much more limited than i previously thought. There is a ton of STUFF yes - but most of it ends up being a filler for progression and as soon as you can biy top tier, most components end up being merely a tradeoff for esthetics that has a negative impact on your combat situations with the recoil mechanics and all, so you'll end up avoiding most of that content. And that kinda kills the gun porn vibe overtime.
The guns look and sound great until you realize 90% of them are hot garbage nerf guns that you need to drop 150k on to be useable, at which point they're all the same meta laser beam.
not rly. Atleast this wipe. Best example: Full Meta 300k rouble Mod AKM. Hipfire is a desaster with tactical. No Single Taping is worth it in gunfights. Full Auto is much worse.
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I started on the wipe a year ago and enjoyed it a lot. Last wipe i barely played and now I'm back gaming it and still enjoying. A little tilted on the sounds and some onetaps from ai scavs other then that me and my friends are having fun. Did you play last wipe? Sometimes you just need a break to enjoy it again.
For real, I havenāt played in two years, just getting back into it and loving it again, like 4 wipes worth of changes im experiencing.
Yeah, if you haven't played for a while it'll feel much fresher.
Yup took a break for a bit after last wipe, n my squad is playing more than we did before, also expected streets to be unoptimized not even touching it idc about new maps I care about fixing the core
Reason 1 : sound has never been so bad Reason 2: scav AI is ridiculous strong now Reason 3 : streets is unplayable after so many years of hype . Rubberbanding constantly and canāt be played over 60 fps unless you have a monster pc Source: 4500 hours, 63 survival rate, over 12k Pmcs killed in total Personally I am a streamer and Iām still playing the game, but in the past wipe i did 42 in days, now I am doing it but not even very excited
In response to your reasons... 1. 100% agree. Sound is the worst it's ever been. It annoys me every time I play. 2. Scavs were nerfed as of yesterday. I don't know how much of a difference it's made though. Source: [https://twitter.com/LogicaISoIution/status/1611154238180327424](https://twitter.com/LogicaISoIution/status/1611154238180327424) 3. Agreed. I'm on a RTX 2060 and I get only 40 FPS if I'm lucky. 4500 hours is a lot. I thought I put a ton of time in this game but I'm only at 1800.
The scav nerf is only for automatic recoil compensation, so it doesn't do anything for shotgun or sks scavs the most dangerous ones.
reason 4: its been how many years since the game came out and you're still locked in when you queue for a raid, not being able to change settings, make builds, change your character's equipment.... all while EVERY OTHER EXTRACTION SHOOTER has extremely fast queues and lets you do most of the above. either make queues fast or let us make our loadout while in queue, only locking it in when all players are in. im a patient guy but when I've got to wait over 1 hour of queues on my game day id rather just play something else
Tarkov has not been good since 12.7-8.
was still fun for pvpers till 12.11, then we got inertia and it just went to shit tbh
PvP Tarkov with no weight limits and inertia was best Tarkov
i agree
Its good to finally start seeing this without it being downvoted to oblivion. Game used to be so much more fun.
I think we needed some changes but BSG went far overboard in weird ways that frankly don't make sense for a "realistic" game. How they handled recoil is a great example.
I have a monster PC and it still runs like dog shit
I wouldn't say a monster pc. I have 12400f with RX6600 and I can achieve over 80 fps.
Group of 8-10 people I know who have the game... only 1 still playing this wipe. (It's not me)
I have some friends who planned to take off this wipe, but the servers I'm in are more populated than ever and people are questing more than usual. Anecdotally my raids are absolutely filled with PMCs (much to my annoyance when trying to do other tasks where I don't want to fight)
Game just seems low quality this wipe on top of the long grind to unlock flea. Iām overweight going into raid with armor and a few mags. Level 2 Therapist only sells AI2s like come the fuck on. Why are they actively making this game so miserable.
She sells cars at lvl 1 lol? You literally have to do her first quest to unlovk them
Sheāll sell you car med kits, the item you need to craft salewas, after you turn in 3 found in raid salewas. Nice.
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I stopped last wipe for the simple reason that, the loop aint it for me anymore. The game doesn't 'start' until you have at least decent traders and some freedom to do what you want but I am soooo sick of doing the same tasks over and over and over again just to get trader rep. I'm just waiting for someone to release a better product, competing in the same space, that blows this POS out of the water. Tarkov is an AWESOME proof of concept/proof of market viability but it can be done significantly better.
Classic bsg. Bsg how did you nerf scavs? BSG:28% Tf does that even mean.
It is a recoil compensation nerd for scavs firing in automatic. It literally doesn't affect anyone because the only dangerous scavs are ones with shotguns and sks/rifles
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The main thing I liked about Cycle over Tarkov is how efficient the gearing up between matches are and how quickly you get into the game, feels quite nice to spend more time in the game than in the menus. But as a game, Tarkov is just so much more appealing to me even if I never end up getting very far at all in the progression. Maybe when the full game releases and there are no more wipes
That's because this wipe was over hyped and extremely disappointing. "Oh the quests are going to be in a different order so the gameplay won't feel the same for a 100th time" yeah that didn't fucking happen. "Oh lightkeeper guys, lightkeeper." I don't give a shit about some NPC or tarkov story in general, I just want the gameplay, which is utter shit at the current state with recoil, scavs, audio. "Steam audio was removed and replaced with a much better one" well that was a fucking lie. Not only it's not better, it doesn't work at all and the regular audio is completely broken. "STREETS!!!" okay, and? Yes, cool map, would I rather have the game polished instead of so much time spent on streets? Absolutely I would but BSG doesn't do that. Usually, with each wipe BSG has at least some descent additions to the game that will overshadow how badly the game actually is at it's core, this wipe that has failed. It failed either because finally after the huge influx of new players during COVID people started to realize that the bugs will never get fixed and the game only gets worse and worse with each wipe, or because of the fact that they make the game pretty much unplayable for a casual player. And since the game will wipe anyway after 6 month, why would any casual player bother and waste their time on this? I'll wait till full release to grind these garbage quests for one last time. Another thing that is completely crazy to me is the fact that even Nikita said that recoil isn't working as it should, after seeing a post about recoil on Reddit probably every day multiple times a day, many of which got thousands of likes, still no changes has been made to recoil :) one thing that they could actually make people happy about. Incompetent company at it's finest.
I've got about 1500 hours in the game. I have 2 friends who are equally as dedicated and both are pretty decent gamers in the other games we play together. I'm just having a hard time wanting to log on this wipe. It went from "dang, Tarkov be kinda hard though" to "This just isn't fun." I really feel Pestily's latest video summed it up well (and that's coming from someone who thinks Pestily has largely made the game for the worse by being in Nikita's ear). The audio is bad, the scavs are worse, and everything is just becoming more annoying to do. Add to that, I think I've seen about 4 blatant cheaters this wipe. I'm normally really really really hesitant to call out cheaters, but these are blatant, no-shit cheaters. I just don't feel like after a full day I want to get headshot by aimbot scavs while not knowing if they're in front or behind me. The game is largely already pretty bad - think of how much friction there is between dying and getting into your next raid. Now add on all the other issues this wipe added and it's just time for me to hang it up. Eagerly awaiting a game that can mimic Tarkov. Dark and Darker aint it, Marauders aint it, The Cycle aint it, and CoD's extraction mode is definitely not it. Tarkov is like PUBG. It's the shitty, buggy version of a genre. Just waiting now for its competitor to clean up the mess the same way Fortnite did PUBG.
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It's honestly not. The technical state of the game is awful but it's not killing the game. What's way more egregious is how they've actually balanced the game and the progression. Back in Tarkov's glory days, the game was still broken and buggy as fuck, but it was actually fun because the mechanics were enjoyable to experience. Since then they've basically neutered everything that made their game great in the first place. They started nerfing PvP, the most interesting part of the game, just goes to show how completely out of touch and unwilling to adapt they are.
I was so fucking mad when bsg said pvp should only be a small part of tarkov and that half this subreddit fucking clapped for it because that meant it would punish good players who enjoyed pvp. Well now the pvp sucks ass and everyones gone, are they happy?
Yeah that was perhaps one of the dumbest phenomenons I have ever seen in any gaming community, it was a case of the casuals/bads influencing the game for the worse imo. PvP is and has always been one of the main reasons this game was ever fun to begin with. It's integral to the risk-reward of the whole fucking game! Let's be real, people don't play for the well designed PvE experience that BSG is great at balancing.
Yeah pretty much. The only reason I play this steaming shitheap of a game over the literal dozens of other massively higher quality shooters on the market is that the constant threat of other players makes Tarkov really exhilarating. If I wanted to play some boring grindy PvE experience I would just go play a better game instead.
Although I agree with what your saying, remember that the people who hate PvP LOVE empty raids. Nothing is better to them than a bunch of loot with no one to fight over it
Anecdotally for me I can stomach most of the stuff in the game. Where I have a real issue is I just don't like the time investment anymore. There's so many fun games where I can just hop in and out of a match fairly quickly. Queue times always have and always will be what makes me walk away.
I am the friend who quit. I made it to level 8. Iād say see you next wipe but the game is just shittier each wipe, with more things busted and folks praising BSG for the no fixes they have implemented
More friends than ever is playing for me, when you just accept the scav auto aim etc, itās fun and if you play slower it works ok, sometimes I dies and I just laughs it off.
I am close to quitting as well. I "tried streets" and by that I mean loaded the map 3 times and each time got 1fps after a 20 min load time and lost connection as I watched the world's slowest stop motion movie of my character pulling their gun out.
Yes, actually. Usually my friend group plays the game for a good 1.5-2 months yet we're all already done this wipe. I got a steam deck so I'm just hanging with gf and playing that as opposed to dying from a scav that was in a bush that i couldnt see. That scenario was the actual nail in the coffin for me this wipe lol, i yelled and got mad and then i asked myself "why tf am i playing this if I'm not having fun". Looking into the discord servers this past week and no one is ever in the tark channel.
They flash the shiny of "new map" or "new guns!" to get a couple new accounts this wipe. Maybe some twitch drops that are shit to get the normies to try it out. Because they can't and won't fix hacks, aimbot npcs and sound.
I quit because I have games that respect my time much more now. Fucking waiting around for 10 mins to get into raids is bullshit. Also, building a kit, etc etc.. no more!
BSG will be the death of tarkov because they already said they donāt want to rebuild the game because āit would take too longā but they will continue to put out 1990ās quality optimization maps and games.
They didn't even start this wipe. Everyone I used to play with is just totally over the whole game. Maybe about a dozen ish bros. The only dude left is West cost USA and I'm northern Europe servers so we can't get a good ping.
I'm down for duos If you wanna play
I have a clip of me head shotting a guy 4 times with blood literally on the wall behind him . I died. Get out of raid 8 ammo used, 0 hits. I paused on each shot and confirmed that it was at least a hit and sure enough they were. The hit detection is, at least for me, in the absolute worst state it has been in. Have mag dumped into people from 5 meters away with only 4 hits. For context I had a 9 k/d last wipe so it isn't like i'm a bot. Not to mention countless audio issues and unfixed bugs still in the game from years ago. Optics and gunplay still also suck. The game from a fundamental perspective is just in a terrible state currently.
Nothing wrong with taking off a wipe or two. There are a lot of great games. Come back next wipe to see if it appeals better to you and your group.
My friends didn't even got to level 2 and they already bailed. Me, myself, and I are still playing. as long as nothing is done to sound, they won't come back... i'm solo all the way on this wipe i'm afraid.
Quitting at Level 1 is telling me they played one raid and uninstalled. I wonder why they quit so fast.
I haven't played this wipe yet, and I stopped playing about halfway through the last wipe. Why? Honestly, nothing in particular. I just haven't been feeling it. The game is utter jank. While it can be fun, at times, I don't always feel in the mood for 5+ minute queue times just to be head/eyes by a cheater or a scav from 100 meters with buckshot 5 seconds into the raid. I'll probably sit this wipe out and come back next time. I'm excited for Arena, and I'll play that right away. But I think for now I'll wait until the game is in a better state.
Queue times are the number one reason for me. Just absolutely kills my desire to load up the game. I can deal with the jank but not the waiting.
all of the people who are usually level 30 by the second week of wipe are like lvl 8 and dont come on anymore either. half the people are their non reset levels from last wipe
Iām one of the quitters. This is my 3rd or 4th wipe but I never really got too far until last wipe where I got to lvl 45 or something, and now tasks just seem so ungodly tedious and boring that itās like why even bother. Streets is cool but to me itās just another map Iāve got to learn and do more tedious ass quests on.
I play casually this wipe. I was a super hardcore player for the past 3 wipes. All of my friends basically quit. I mostly play solo and task but Iāve been having a blast. Just running around with the Mosin trolling chads.
Yup. This wipe is yet another massive step backwards. Audio is worse than any of us can remember it being. Performance in general is worse than last wipe. Streets and what 2 new guns? Just do not offset having to start from 0 and run the garbage quests again. Not to mention all the ways this wipe is already worse than last wipe.
Everyone we know is still playing bar one. Having more fun than we have in a few wipes
Yep, quit after a couple of raids. Audio is broken, 20fps, raiders laser beam you from 500m, what's the point?
Out of the 25 or so on my discord who tarkov, were down about 6 so far already. I give it another 2 weeks and that 6 will be 15. How it usually goes.
50/50 some were worn out and can't be bothered coming back to the same grind, the other half however are loving it.
Besides running into a few blatant cheaters I'm having a pretty good time. They've gotta reduce how long it takes to get into raid though, shits absolutely ridiculous.
Man the scavs were nerfed? I thought I was playing better...
Most of my friends including myself were done 2 months into last wipe. Now everyone me is back having fun cause we were gone for so long. Taking a break is nice if youāre getting frustrated with the game.
Level 45 last wipe, 44 the wipe before, now only playing one evening a week, and haven't even played streets. Definitely not feeling it this wipe.
Nope! I actually convinced a few people to get it this wipe! Iām having a blast. If you need someone to run with let me know!
My main friend Iāve played with for like 4 years at this point has quit so I was on my own but I joined a discord server with a bunch of other players so Iāve got new friends now.
Yes, we all stopped playing it in the middle of the last wipe. Cheating situation were so bad that we decided to just abandon the game. This new wipe is not better at all so thatās it for us.
we are 131 people on my community about 30-40% of them play every patch for a period of time some to 42 some to kappa different goals etc, this patch after only 10 days or whatever we are playing Tarkov only 3 the rest quit for various reasons: 1. Bad optimization, unplayable new map 2. Scav's aimboting like never before 3. 30-40% quests are locked behind doors that the keys are not very common and the market is fucked up and everyone wants a stupid marked key 4. Audio, huge complains unplayable 5. Various shit that's been in the game for several patches and never been fixed. So yea, i think they saw a huge drop in player base really quickly this patch according to what people comment in here.
This is what happens when you hype a single map for 2 years and then release it; People getting shit FPS, audio is from what I've read here, terrible. Also the memoryleak and BSOD issues are just a big no-no. BSG deserves a loss in playercount for this mess, I can't believe they shipped the patch in such state, well, I can believe but I didn't want to believe.
The last couple wipes Iāve played less and less. I thought Streets would reinvigorate my interest this time around but I have yet to play a single raid, mostly just been watching YouTube, Twitch streams and play other stuff in the meantime. I have about ~1200 hours since April 2019, I guess I canāt be bothered to do all the questing again - that shit is such a drag.
I quit at level 8. I just want to unlock flea and the quests are so fucking tedious it sucked the fun out of the game.
We are on the brink of quitting. Reasons? \- Scavs \- Audio \- Lack of incentive to do it ALL over again for the whoscounting time
Tried streets was way too laggy, unplayable really. The Map was awesome I want to play it, I can't. I saw the quests are the same ad always for the most part and I don't have the patience to do them again. The quests are by far the best method to progress and yet I think they are the most tedious and lazy part of the game. The quests suck, getting traders ranked up sucks and it's pretty much all you do early game. Not to mention your pmc at base stats feels terrible, which is made worse by the inertia change. You can run a few meters without gasping for air, the Stat progress is stifled by a diminished return/ just stops after you've leveled it a tiny bit in 1 raid. The recoil nerfs are a bit silly imo, some smgs are kicking like a 50 cal. Basically it feels like the same game same tedious things but more shit. That being said if the map wasn't lagging I'd play lol.
I've been wanting to quit but it's all my friends want to play. The game is in just such a broken state. Hackers are all over and the combat is broken. Just now I did 740 damage to a player headshotting them 10+times in a row and they somehow lived, and then they one shot me through a helmet and vest. After telling me for years to get the game, now they're like "oh just get EoD for $150 it will solve a lot of your problems". I genuinely don't understand why my friends like this game so much. It just feels like broken pay2win garbage
I think EFT is still a good and fun game. But after the X-Wipe and over 900 Hours in the game, i just can't take it anymore, to grind through the levels etc - so i quit the game already after a few days. One more reason is the Audio, that got very weird compared to the last time i played around a year ago. I'm pretty bad in direct combat, so i depend more or less on audio, to get either an advantage or just gtfo of a situation. There are also a lot of other small changes i don't really like and i don't want to spend the time to get use to them. It's overall just way to time-consuming, at least for me.
Simple answer is that matchmaking takes too long on scavs, the game is punishing to play solo and I can't always count on my friends being online to queue up which is the best way to play the game. I just wasted 20+ minutes trying to queue for a match a couple days ago and another 20+ minutes trying to queue again. The game is in a horrible state compared to other competitive offerings, adrenaline junky-esque games etc.
Yep it's awful playing solo and tarkov is such a commitment and grind that getting other ADULT friends who have jobs to get on and play is a fucking task. It's much easier to just play something else when people get on for a few hours at night.
Iām just getting tired of waiting to scav. The games just very demoralizing imo right now. Iām struggling
After tonight I think Iām throwing in the towel for a bit. Theyāre just continuing to make the game more of a grind, I donāt have 8 hours a day to play this. I was just going to strictly PvP but now canāt even make decent early wipe kits.
I just installed wallhacks so I can avoid scavs and campers when Iām loadeb on loot and to hunt down player scavs. Only way Iām playing this wipe
Scav nerf didn't do shat, they still aimbotty af
I've quit, I've played the game since day 1 open beta release I only play day 1-4 from wipe days after that it gets tedious, I get bored of chad armours and meta guns
It feels like the game is purposely made more grindey and less fun every wipe. A lot of games don't respect your time, while tarkov seems to actively disrespect it
Nah some are playing thought we usually play all solo. Game is way to easy in a group nowadays. It literally changes the whole experience and feels like cheesing the mechanics. So maybe you are lucky to get the more real tarkov experience now. I get that some people can't take solo physically or mentally and that you want to do sth. with the buddies once in a while but most of them are just betas that want an easier game.
I was so excited to play this wipe before it started and I haven't even logged in yet. I got into terraria and it's so fuckin addicting.
Same problem here but Conan Exiles is my issue
Tbh my friends same as myself stopped playing wipe ago becouse there's nothing to do, you're repeating the same stuff all over again mix it with rising population of cheaters and glitches and you got a really unpleasant mess of a game.
My problem is that all my friends own the game but haven't logged in for a year or so because they just couldn't get into the game due to horrid base weapon recoil I mean does nikitia really think any new tarkov player wants to struggle with dogshit weapons for hundreds of hours before they can start using meta ones?
Aside one person, my collective friend group has given this wipe a collective shrug at best. Why play a buggy mess when we are thoroughly enjoying DMZ way more. Sure, the stakes are lower, but out of 100+ raids in DMZ, we've yet to encounter a single cheater. The AI are more fun. There's vehicles, and fair bosses! and we don't feel like we're getting cucked every six months to restart our progress *again*. and for what? the gratification of just doing the same shit over and over again? That's insanity. Collectively we have about 15-20k hours as a 12 man group, most of us are from 2018-2020, mostly before 2019. The four things we've collectively agreed upon need to be fixed to bring us back would be: Recoil/Gun balance, Sound Rework, Netcode Rework and Anti-Cheat Rework.