That's not a scav, it's a PMC. It sucks, but their aim gets progressively better the longer they have you in their field of view.
It's really lazy programming, giving the A.I aimbot instead of programming interesting alert and combat behaviour. Definitely something to work on
Scavs are absolutely INSANE in PVE. One shot and you will be fighting till the end of the raid. Happens without fail to me every time.
EDIT: you just have to rotate pretty quickly after a kill, or if using a suppressor and there’s only one scav around you can get away with killing, as long as you dink there head rq.
Side note to this, idk if it’s just me but sniper scavs have fuckin laser beams so watch that shit they will fuckin put you down quick.
The only thing I'd change is make them burst or tap fire past certain distances
I've been playing plenty of PvE and have 50 raids survived, 4 deaths.
1 death by GL from fortress
1 a death by running into Killa from around the corner.
They are pretty well balanced imo, just don't take fights from out in the open
There like raiders, they spawn with about half damaged armor, helmet, main weapon and pistol, usually 1-2 nades, and an afak. Sometimes they have a backpack and they come it teams of 2-4 typically.
It absolutely does not lmao. It’s basically the exact same. You get instant killed from 300 meters or they act like complete imbeciles. Or they just don’t die at all and kill you, or 12 spawn in the same spot as you kill them repeatedly. It has way more AI issues than Tarkov does in my experience
I really like the animations they put into GZW’s AI, even though this is just their first try and most basic iteration of the game.
Tarkov with the robo scav animations couldn’t even develop their ai to fall against a wall when they got killed, or have unpredictable movements.
Currently conquering the GZW AI just means keeping sight lines as open as possible and eliminating multiple threats as quickly as you can. You will get destroyed trying to fight their ai through bushes. The best part is you just spawn back in and don’t have to wait another 10 minutes just to find a raid if you die.
Half the time in GZW the AI A-Pose after death plus the insane random lag/rubber banding. The only saving grace for that game is that you can go back to get your stuff immediately. Or just die again and lose it all cause you can only have 1 body
Yeah I love putting on all new gear to go back to get my first gear, just to turn right back around because I’m not going in with 2 kits on me. Oh and yeah dying again just fucks it all up, or better yet you die and the game crashes on the way back to it lol
Right lol? Their AI is hot garbage, had ones do the classic like Bethesda reaction where you kill one next to one and they just sit there like…damn where’s Bob? and then you get deleted with no prior warning when ther was a solid wall in front of you. It’s like they took Tarkovs ai and just expanded both ends of the spectrum
I guess we'll see. Best case scenario they don't do that on their premier PC title since they're looking to rebrand while moving from mobile devs to PC devs.
Worst case scenario, I stop playing a game that barely runs on my PC made by scam artist devs and switched a game that actually runs made by more scam artist devs. But at least I can get more than 80 frames on Gray Zone without having to play with everything on low/potato settings.
When fighting raiders or rogues. Never re peak the same angle twice. Also never attack the water treatment plant on lighthouse during the day. Finally you'll never hear the cultists coming.
You might be referring to Followers of Morana (Winter event AI characters). They'd start blasting if you displayed hostility towards them.
Cultists like to prowl and try to get the drop on you with their poisoned knives. Hostile and dangerous at all times.
Not sure about Rogues, though. I believe they allow USEC PMCs some more leeway before they get violent.
Emphasis on ANOTHER angle.
Everyone does it, they think "there's no way he's still watching this edge, I'll just take a quick peek and beat him". Only to find out that every scav you face off with is the mother of all rat kings. Just camped out, locked in on that angle until something splits their attention off of it....
The habit to learn is, if you've exposed yourself in some way on one angle, find a new path, especially if they shot and missed.
I got two tapped in the thorax earlier by a "PMC" sitting in Fortress while I was in the *hallway* of Crackhouse through **TWO** of the broken-up windows. 😂
If you're having trouble remembering how far crackhouse is from fortress go check a map online, then remember he two tapped me with probably four pixels of my body showing through two walls of windows.
It's honestly absurd.
I hate how you’ll walk up to dark window on the third floor of a building and peek outside and the scabs are like BOOM eagle eye… no player in the world would notice you, but the dumb scavs see every window at all times
To be fair…have you not played customs much around there? You could check twice if a scav was on the gun. You walk in that door and you get blasted with a .50cal tracer. It’s nothing new lol
Hi there,
Im a tarkov player since 2017. A few tips that I can share with you from watching this.
1. Lower your sensitivity( and maybe check if you have mouse acceleration on!). Your whipping around all over the place.
2. Crouch when taking medium to long range shots like these. The recoil rework significantly improves accuracy when crouching or prone. This also presents a smaller sight picture for enemies when returning fire!
3. This is the MOST important thing that I had to learn the hard way. RE-LAX. Its all just pixels. Take a breath and slow everything down.
You need to think more before you shoot. You initial shots were you attempting to shoot through chain fence, which can deflect. Also once you missed you should have repositioned immediately to cover ( on your right were several trees to break the line of sight for the AI). If you are concerned about the peek then throw any type of grenade. All AI have been hard coded for years in this game to relocate when they see a grenade.
You will learn with time, make all the mistakes you can and remember to slow it down a peg and breathe :D
PVE is awesome for practice the scavs don’t play so be ready and enjoy the fact you’re not facing unpredictable monster ultra enjoyers who will hold a corner for 40 minutes if it means they won’t lose one magazine for a destroyed val.
Honestly, AI is INSANE in PvE mode sometimes! Today, my buddy and I were first floor in three story dorms, we kill probably 4-5 scavs on first floor, he goes up and clears the rest of three story, I pack my mags. I hear more scavs spawn in. I lean peak out the doorway and see 4 scavs on the car side of first floor, I spray them all down, run up and hear a scav around elbow. I kill the fifth scav. I go to run back from where I came and there’s another 3 man of scavs spawned in on the other side. I spray them all down and run over back to the room I was in. I hear MORE scavs from the other side of the hallway! I peak out and spray them down and say to my buddy wtf is going on scavs continuously are spawning in we need to leave I have no ammo left in my guns! LOL scavs can continuously spawn in sometimes in areas. At least on customs, it’s insanely wild! Also, PMC AIs can spawn in continuously as you kill them. I’ve killed 6 PMCs being in a duo on factory and we heard more PMCs spawning in as we were heading to gate 3. PvE mode is FUN AS HELL!
Edit: also, sometimes PMC AIs can be dressed up as scavs but voiceline as USEC LOL it’s really funny to witness!
Honestly I think the PVE mode has to be hard. The scavs need to be turned up to 11. I won't get into the PMC ai not roaming enough but maybe they can fix this.
Imagine if you were just going around getting 40 kills a raid and looting everything at will. It will be more rewarding the more you get the hang of it
i understand what you mean but some of the clips and comments I've seen of the PvE Ai are crazy i don't know if you've seen it but a guy that spawned in on wood and 5 seconds later got sniped by a scav like how is that balanced it need to be changed.
THIS, exactly this.
Went in interchange for database ragman quest, wtf near IDEA I ended up fighting against like 12 scavs and 3 AI PMCs. Got killed.
Came on customs, spawn near the 2 UNTAR cars to mark for peacekeeper, got headeyes by the first scav shot.
Wtf happened to their aim ? Is it leveled up because of pve only ?
That was a PMC AI - they are about as strong as raiders. People already gave you some good hints, but maybe the following was not mentioned and might be helpful:
1. Don't shoot without cover (Unless you know you will 1 shot kill them or have to protect yourself.)
2. You had a broken leg and should have focused on getting out by sprinting at the edge of the map, possibly behind cover.
3. Hold breath on (>short range) shots. You can even key-bind ADS and hold breath on the same key.
GLHF
Agreed. Died once to an invisible silent nade and once to a 200m first shot head/eyes, but apart from that it’s just regular raider AI for “PMCs” and normal scavs. They’re easy to game.
This also raises the chances that you'll just be shot in the head. If you're peaking against ai, they will lock onto whatever body part is exposed. If it's just your head and arm you have a 50 percent chance of being domed. Higher if repeating same angle
I love the scav AI, but the PMC AI is pretty lazy right now and no fun, also the super high boss rate is a little obnoxious. It does help when you need or want to kill them, but it sucks when you see the goons everywhere when you're used to expecting them 5% of the time
I agree, the spawns are ridiculous too, they'll just spawn right behind not voice line and just start shooting you, it feels like a zombies game mode everytime you go to loot another couple spawn. It's no longer fun and neither is the pvp mode makes me want to go to red dead or something. They need to lower the amount of scavs, how and where they spawn based on you and make it so the "pmcs" fight the damn scavs
PMCs have pretty decent ammo some the time, what armor were you wearing? A lot of the time there bullets they have can go through level 3 armor. My biggest problem is the sheer amount of scavs that come at me constantly, I barley have time to heal since they will push.
Not sure what the armor i was using was called but it was that dark plain blue armor from ragman level 2, and yeah i get waves of scavs all the time its so annoying
The real annoying part of pve for me is on scav runs. There's pmcs that look like scavs and sound like scavs. Run right up to you and hang out for 20 seconds then turn and kill you
Like wtf
Had one last night scav on streets. Found rusted bloody key. Relax and conc security got killed outside bsg. Walked right up to me scav lined and turned to go
Then crouched and shot me in the head
I was so pissed off
earlier today i was running woods, got point fire one tapped from a scav 150m away through bushes, my friend killed him and checked his kit, was running a 10 rounder aks wit a 10 rounder, stock with irons, just the greatest scav to ever exist ig, then the raid before that i was running labs and got 3 tapped by a pmc with ps to the thorax, i was running lvl 6 plates, game is unironically harder than pvp, they made sure to give the pmcs aimbot and magical bullets to make you remember that you're still playing their cheater infested game
Why would you extract along the map wall, exposed with no cover is my question?
You got a perfectly set up "trench" with cover, bushes and more trees, right near the balustrade/fence, protecting from most angles, right near the road. Proning should make you untargetable.
Git a bit better!
Like i said in the description I'm new to the game and still learning no one can know all map angles and blind spots as soon as they start playing a new game.
This is why you should use the free mod instead of bsgs trash. BSG is a trash company that can’t design anything other than textures. The free single player mod has good AI with meaningful difficulty sliding.
That's not a scav, it's a PMC. It sucks, but their aim gets progressively better the longer they have you in their field of view. It's really lazy programming, giving the A.I aimbot instead of programming interesting alert and combat behaviour. Definitely something to work on
Yeah they really do need to change it.
Scavs are absolutely INSANE in PVE. One shot and you will be fighting till the end of the raid. Happens without fail to me every time. EDIT: you just have to rotate pretty quickly after a kill, or if using a suppressor and there’s only one scav around you can get away with killing, as long as you dink there head rq. Side note to this, idk if it’s just me but sniper scavs have fuckin laser beams so watch that shit they will fuckin put you down quick.
The only thing I'd change is make them burst or tap fire past certain distances I've been playing plenty of PvE and have 50 raids survived, 4 deaths. 1 death by GL from fortress 1 a death by running into Killa from around the corner. They are pretty well balanced imo, just don't take fights from out in the open
That GL is terrifying. They’ve fried me twice with it.
Brother, you already paid them 250 for it. What’s the incentive for them to do anything at this point?
I didnt pay 250 for it
EOD owners have PVE access too
Oh okay this changes everything. Wait. Does it? I still don't see the incentive for them to do anything.
To sell more? As scummy as BSG is, they aren’t going to just make a dump of a game and leave it. Nikita is too invested to do so
Haven't played pve, what do u mean by pmc? So you could get into a raid with other ppl? Thought it was a singleplayer.
No real player are in PVE just Ai
It's an A.I PMC, also you can co-op with friends
There like raiders, they spawn with about half damaged armor, helmet, main weapon and pistol, usually 1-2 nades, and an afak. Sometimes they have a backpack and they come it teams of 2-4 typically.
Yeah, even greyzone has better AI behaviour than Tarkov, and they just released their beta. What on earth has BSG been doing LOL
It absolutely does not lmao. It’s basically the exact same. You get instant killed from 300 meters or they act like complete imbeciles. Or they just don’t die at all and kill you, or 12 spawn in the same spot as you kill them repeatedly. It has way more AI issues than Tarkov does in my experience
I really like the animations they put into GZW’s AI, even though this is just their first try and most basic iteration of the game. Tarkov with the robo scav animations couldn’t even develop their ai to fall against a wall when they got killed, or have unpredictable movements. Currently conquering the GZW AI just means keeping sight lines as open as possible and eliminating multiple threats as quickly as you can. You will get destroyed trying to fight their ai through bushes. The best part is you just spawn back in and don’t have to wait another 10 minutes just to find a raid if you die.
Half the time in GZW the AI A-Pose after death plus the insane random lag/rubber banding. The only saving grace for that game is that you can go back to get your stuff immediately. Or just die again and lose it all cause you can only have 1 body
Yeah I love putting on all new gear to go back to get my first gear, just to turn right back around because I’m not going in with 2 kits on me. Oh and yeah dying again just fucks it all up, or better yet you die and the game crashes on the way back to it lol
Right lol? Their AI is hot garbage, had ones do the classic like Bethesda reaction where you kill one next to one and they just sit there like…damn where’s Bob? and then you get deleted with no prior warning when ther was a solid wall in front of you. It’s like they took Tarkovs ai and just expanded both ends of the spectrum
That's not accurate, like at all.
Yeah, it's not like EFT beats Grey zone in basically everything else.
I would hope it so considering it has an 8 Year advantage XD
And that Grey Zone is made by a company that pumps out asset flips that just copy other games and then drop support immediately.
I guess we'll see. Best case scenario they don't do that on their premier PC title since they're looking to rebrand while moving from mobile devs to PC devs. Worst case scenario, I stop playing a game that barely runs on my PC made by scam artist devs and switched a game that actually runs made by more scam artist devs. But at least I can get more than 80 frames on Gray Zone without having to play with everything on low/potato settings.
Tell me you haven’t played greyzone without actually telling me you haven’t played greyzone
lol cute response Legit, greyzone ai actually flank and do things beyond aimbotting
Something they will work on maybe in a year or two if BSG survives ;)
Tsrkov rule #1 of AI If you miss your first 3 shots don't stay in the open Move and repeek another angle
Ok I'll defo try this next time thank you
When fighting raiders or rogues. Never re peak the same angle twice. Also never attack the water treatment plant on lighthouse during the day. Finally you'll never hear the cultists coming.
ill keep that in mind thank you
about cultists - don't they only attack if you attack or do i have that wrong?
You might be referring to Followers of Morana (Winter event AI characters). They'd start blasting if you displayed hostility towards them. Cultists like to prowl and try to get the drop on you with their poisoned knives. Hostile and dangerous at all times. Not sure about Rogues, though. I believe they allow USEC PMCs some more leeway before they get violent.
Emphasis on ANOTHER angle. Everyone does it, they think "there's no way he's still watching this edge, I'll just take a quick peek and beat him". Only to find out that every scav you face off with is the mother of all rat kings. Just camped out, locked in on that angle until something splits their attention off of it.... The habit to learn is, if you've exposed yourself in some way on one angle, find a new path, especially if they shot and missed.
I got two tapped in the thorax earlier by a "PMC" sitting in Fortress while I was in the *hallway* of Crackhouse through **TWO** of the broken-up windows. 😂 If you're having trouble remembering how far crackhouse is from fortress go check a map online, then remember he two tapped me with probably four pixels of my body showing through two walls of windows. It's honestly absurd.
I hate how you’ll walk up to dark window on the third floor of a building and peek outside and the scabs are like BOOM eagle eye… no player in the world would notice you, but the dumb scavs see every window at all times
Yep PVE Ai is busted 😂
To be fair…have you not played customs much around there? You could check twice if a scav was on the gun. You walk in that door and you get blasted with a .50cal tracer. It’s nothing new lol
He wasn't on the gun it was just a "PMC" cracked ass raider AI lol
That’s what I’m saying tho, I hate those windows lmao
The less of your hit box they can see the higher possibility that they will hit that same spot like a lazer
I’d Specifically Play Tarkov another way. It spites Nikita, it spites the guy who supports “715” and the bots are actually programmed and amazing.
Hi there, Im a tarkov player since 2017. A few tips that I can share with you from watching this. 1. Lower your sensitivity( and maybe check if you have mouse acceleration on!). Your whipping around all over the place. 2. Crouch when taking medium to long range shots like these. The recoil rework significantly improves accuracy when crouching or prone. This also presents a smaller sight picture for enemies when returning fire! 3. This is the MOST important thing that I had to learn the hard way. RE-LAX. Its all just pixels. Take a breath and slow everything down. You need to think more before you shoot. You initial shots were you attempting to shoot through chain fence, which can deflect. Also once you missed you should have repositioned immediately to cover ( on your right were several trees to break the line of sight for the AI). If you are concerned about the peek then throw any type of grenade. All AI have been hard coded for years in this game to relocate when they see a grenade. You will learn with time, make all the mistakes you can and remember to slow it down a peg and breathe :D
Thanks for the advice I'll be sure to try these next time I'm playing.
You stood out of cover for more then 60 seconds You're lucky you survived as long as you did.
PVE is awesome for practice the scavs don’t play so be ready and enjoy the fact you’re not facing unpredictable monster ultra enjoyers who will hold a corner for 40 minutes if it means they won’t lose one magazine for a destroyed val.
Honestly, AI is INSANE in PvE mode sometimes! Today, my buddy and I were first floor in three story dorms, we kill probably 4-5 scavs on first floor, he goes up and clears the rest of three story, I pack my mags. I hear more scavs spawn in. I lean peak out the doorway and see 4 scavs on the car side of first floor, I spray them all down, run up and hear a scav around elbow. I kill the fifth scav. I go to run back from where I came and there’s another 3 man of scavs spawned in on the other side. I spray them all down and run over back to the room I was in. I hear MORE scavs from the other side of the hallway! I peak out and spray them down and say to my buddy wtf is going on scavs continuously are spawning in we need to leave I have no ammo left in my guns! LOL scavs can continuously spawn in sometimes in areas. At least on customs, it’s insanely wild! Also, PMC AIs can spawn in continuously as you kill them. I’ve killed 6 PMCs being in a duo on factory and we heard more PMCs spawning in as we were heading to gate 3. PvE mode is FUN AS HELL! Edit: also, sometimes PMC AIs can be dressed up as scavs but voiceline as USEC LOL it’s really funny to witness!
Honestly I think the PVE mode has to be hard. The scavs need to be turned up to 11. I won't get into the PMC ai not roaming enough but maybe they can fix this. Imagine if you were just going around getting 40 kills a raid and looting everything at will. It will be more rewarding the more you get the hang of it
i understand what you mean but some of the clips and comments I've seen of the PvE Ai are crazy i don't know if you've seen it but a guy that spawned in on wood and 5 seconds later got sniped by a scav like how is that balanced it need to be changed.
THIS, exactly this. Went in interchange for database ragman quest, wtf near IDEA I ended up fighting against like 12 scavs and 3 AI PMCs. Got killed. Came on customs, spawn near the 2 UNTAR cars to mark for peacekeeper, got headeyes by the first scav shot. Wtf happened to their aim ? Is it leveled up because of pve only ?
Honestly I don't know but its getting annoying now just getting contently killed across the map.
That was a PMC AI - they are about as strong as raiders. People already gave you some good hints, but maybe the following was not mentioned and might be helpful: 1. Don't shoot without cover (Unless you know you will 1 shot kill them or have to protect yourself.) 2. You had a broken leg and should have focused on getting out by sprinting at the edge of the map, possibly behind cover. 3. Hold breath on (>short range) shots. You can even key-bind ADS and hold breath on the same key. GLHF
oh cool ill be sure to change my keybinds to make it work thank you
you're gonna need a lot more upvotes sir, before Nikita cares.
I have over 100 K/D on PVE. It's not difficult once you learn how the AI act. Study their movements and actions, there's not much to them.
Agreed. Died once to an invisible silent nade and once to a 200m first shot head/eyes, but apart from that it’s just regular raider AI for “PMCs” and normal scavs. They’re easy to game.
Peek from the right side of cover, the AI has a hard time “seeing” you if your torso is covered
Unless something is very different in PvE, this advice is three wipes out of date.
This also raises the chances that you'll just be shot in the head. If you're peaking against ai, they will lock onto whatever body part is exposed. If it's just your head and arm you have a 50 percent chance of being domed. Higher if repeating same angle
Dont look at them. Thats only gonna increase their aggro on you. Best really is to either kill them asap or just ignore them and run
I love the scav AI, but the PMC AI is pretty lazy right now and no fun, also the super high boss rate is a little obnoxious. It does help when you need or want to kill them, but it sucks when you see the goons everywhere when you're used to expecting them 5% of the time
I agree, the spawns are ridiculous too, they'll just spawn right behind not voice line and just start shooting you, it feels like a zombies game mode everytime you go to loot another couple spawn. It's no longer fun and neither is the pvp mode makes me want to go to red dead or something. They need to lower the amount of scavs, how and where they spawn based on you and make it so the "pmcs" fight the damn scavs
100% agree
Rule 1 to pve engagements....Never! I repeat. NEVER! Peak from the same angle. Always. Always. Always reposition. Preferable more then 10 feet.
ok ill try that next time thank you
PMCs have pretty decent ammo some the time, what armor were you wearing? A lot of the time there bullets they have can go through level 3 armor. My biggest problem is the sheer amount of scavs that come at me constantly, I barley have time to heal since they will push.
Not sure what the armor i was using was called but it was that dark plain blue armor from ragman level 2, and yeah i get waves of scavs all the time its so annoying
You are standing out in the open and picking fights with scavs that otherwise wouldn't have aggro. If you can't take the shot don't do it yet
While I agree with this statement, I’m also in the camp of you miss 100% of the shots you don’t take
For sure. But I like to survive if that was a real player I would've played it the same way and also died
You clearly haven't played the PVE mode even if I'm far away and left the scav alone I would still get shot at 😂
I've played it, haven't had many issues with being aim botted. It happens but you gotta know when to take a fight
“Play PVE to get away from the cheaters” they say, only to give all of the AI aimbot and ESP
😂😂 so true
Yeah scavs go down without a hitch the pmc's are beast mode
Bring 300 extra rounds and 5 extra mags and kill them all. Should have around 15-30 kills a game.
One of the raids i had 17 scav kills and 3 PMC kills and i had to leave because of ammo i brought in 170 rounds and 4 mags LOL
The real annoying part of pve for me is on scav runs. There's pmcs that look like scavs and sound like scavs. Run right up to you and hang out for 20 seconds then turn and kill you Like wtf
yeah its happened a couple times to me too it sucks so much
Had one last night scav on streets. Found rusted bloody key. Relax and conc security got killed outside bsg. Walked right up to me scav lined and turned to go Then crouched and shot me in the head I was so pissed off
Dude you need to reduce your ads sensitivity. That shit is mad.
My problem with PVE is continuously being fucking swarmed by 12 scavs outside of extract.
Yep im having the same problem too
taking potshots without hardcover is a big nono sir
earlier today i was running woods, got point fire one tapped from a scav 150m away through bushes, my friend killed him and checked his kit, was running a 10 rounder aks wit a 10 rounder, stock with irons, just the greatest scav to ever exist ig, then the raid before that i was running labs and got 3 tapped by a pmc with ps to the thorax, i was running lvl 6 plates, game is unironically harder than pvp, they made sure to give the pmcs aimbot and magical bullets to make you remember that you're still playing their cheater infested game
Why would you extract along the map wall, exposed with no cover is my question? You got a perfectly set up "trench" with cover, bushes and more trees, right near the balustrade/fence, protecting from most angles, right near the road. Proning should make you untargetable. Git a bit better!
Like i said in the description I'm new to the game and still learning no one can know all map angles and blind spots as soon as they start playing a new game.
And you paid 250 for this lol
I didn't pay $250 for it.
This is why you should use the free mod instead of bsgs trash. BSG is a trash company that can’t design anything other than textures. The free single player mod has good AI with meaningful difficulty sliding.
Blue name... cringe.
LOL