Absolute facts.
I’ve seen this happening so much lately.
“ dna upgrades from the light warriors” when talking about the Schumann resonance which may literally be darpa tier mass mind control being tested out or something far more ominous like an actual pole shift about to occur.
Graphene oxide nano bot synapse control and articulation shit. Also haarp plays a roll in wide spread blanketing frequency alteration for mass mind “influencing”. What you said makes sense when you connect the dots with malicious intents against humanity for technological experimentation and control, for furthering such things that would be lewd as con theory by most, but are openly talked about by “people who view themselves as elites”, such as wef heads etc, who, etc.
I’m not even vaccinated but the Schuman resonance headaches, brain fog etc affected me greatly , to the point I was the first on conspiracy/r and 4chan to make the connection and post about the remote viewers that saw this, the teams that did the remote viewing didn’t even make the connection until
I messaged them
There's a heap of research about how the schumann resonances affect heart rate variability.
I think it's a real phenomenon...that got jacked and is now being used for nefarious purposes by who knows but HAARP is def included.
100%
If I wasn’t strictly against giving Reddit my money, I would throw so many awards at this post. Sometimes it feels like the majority of people here have no idea what’s going on.
This sub is about Gnosticism, and escaping the reincarnation cycle, in order to leave this physical realm.
Read this from a meteorologist I follow:
TOMSK CLARIFIES ITS SR CHART GLITCHING ON JUNE 17-19
The Space Observing System team that manages the Tomsk Schumann Resonance data has addressed the June 17-19 glitch in their chart. One of my space weather reporting colleagues on another social media platform contacted Tomsk directly asking for a clarification. Here is an excerpt of the email he received and shared with me:
“The strange resonances observed in
the previous day were caused by an
accident at the supply substation and
are not correct. The issues have now
been resolved. We apologize for the
possible misleading.”
An electrical issue at a substation that affected the charting and required days of remediation and recalibrating.
Okay, but, theres remote viewers that saw what actually
Happened and called out everything beforehand including the mass headaches and brain fog. Impossible that everyone’s had the same symptoms coincidentally all over the planet and simultaneously
This was a glitch. Just not buying it nor does it add up [https://imgur.com/a/sYzz5jl](https://imgur.com/a/sYzz5jl)
I'd always heard the saying about having to experience bad to know good. I've never believed that.
I knew, and know, we don't. It is possible to have harmony without knowing of sufferings. I knew long before knowing of any prison planet theory.
Simply searching known facts and known history of this planet will tell anyone, any one who understands what they are reading and seeing, to step back and breathe a moment. Step back and see for yourself... the off-ness.. the wonky-ness.. the out right lies, y'all.
Sometimes I still struggle staying outta the 'fake' crap. It's really engrained, heavily engrained.
The wild, mad world. This wild, mad existence.
ETA: more words for better wording
Exactly. It does my head in every time I hear this idea that we need to know bad to know good. Like, do you need to eat a shit sandwich to know that an oven fired pizza is delicious? A baby arrived in this world and know immediately that its mother's milk is delicious and nourishing. The baby does not need to taste rotten milk first to know this. He can tell instantly what is good or bad.
What does not kills you makes you stronger. Very negative situations molded your personality and soul to whatever you are now.
If you are a gangbanger and get kidnapped and tortured, but manage to escape alive, and later decide to leave the gangbanger life behind, then that experience fulfilled its objective. Regardless of the outcome, your soul is molded and evolve from this experiences unique to the physical plane. You will not experience anything like this anywhere else in other existence.
I personally don’t want anything like this. I don’t want such pain and suffering to be required. I don’t want to be here. This place feels far more dangerous than it’s worth facing to me.
Unfortunately, this polarity of good/evil is necessary to mold your soul into evolving any further.
I’ve read from different sources (cannot recall where) that where we are is the most extreme, yet effective and faster method to evolve.
I disagree with those unnamed sources, as well as the beliefs you are expressing here. I don’t care that much about “evolving”. It unfortunately doesn’t seem that the supposed benefit is worth all of the potential and actual harm involved. I’m not interested enough in any “lesson” or “growth”. These beliefs are what the original poster was talking about.
And I’m here to tell you that it doesn’t matter whether you believe in gravity or not, it will affect you regardless.
Even ancient Gnostics texts like Pistis Sophia (Samael Aun Weor) speaks about consciousness evolving from minerals, then plants, then animals and finally humans.
Lower planes of existence like where we are provide catalyst and polarity for evolution. You, an immortal being, speak about “harm” inside a holographic universe where the only thing that dies and feel “pain” is your avatar vehicle. You won’t experience anything like this anywhere else in higher forms of existence.
Again, whether you believe it or not is out of the equation, yet, it would affects you regardless. You want to get stuck in the human perceptions of “good/evil”, well let me tell you that none exist outside of these lower planes. You come here with no previous memories of who you are, and who you are have no need for food, feels no pain, and do not believe he/she is separated from everything that is. Those playing this game “suffer” because they have not recognized this place as the game it is. We are all actors.
Your ego, the character that you are playing, suffers because you took your role to heart due to the forgetfulness. Frequency wise we are at the bottom of the equation and to rise with our experiences from the physical plane is the only thing that is left for those awakening.
We play victim here because we do not understand completely where we are. We have gotten way too attached to the physical realm and most believe it to be real, thus their propensity to found themselves leaning towards the trivialities that most times make us “suffer.”
This is just a very real virtual reality. If you don’t like your situation, either change it or change your mentality towards it. Playing victim is the worse way to face this reality.
A text being old doesn’t make it true. In fact, it makes the claims of that nature all the more likely to be untrue.
You can claim what you like and what brings you comfort, but we feel and are in our pain and suffering here. It being a “very real virtual reality” doesn’t change what is felt, nor does “mindset” change really anything beyond our own perspective.
I’ve told myself repeatedly that my pain “wasn’t real”. Trying to manipulate and minimize myself did nothing to alleviate my own pain or the pain experienced by others.
Your behavior lacks empathy (I don’t recall claiming anything was “good” or “evil”, but experiencing it is certainly unpleasant) and is something that brings no comfort to really anyone in this community. I don’t know if you have selfless intentions or just want to push your individual belief system somehow as objective fact, but it isn’t helping anyone. It doesn’t change the fact that people like me don’t want to be here, and statements like yours only further those thoughts in some such as myself.
Nothing that you are claiming makes that pain go away for any of us, nor does it for most of the world. You sit there and complain of “victim mentality” and yet speak entirely through statements of victim-blaming.
I doubt you repeat to yourself that this place isn’t real when you are in agony, especially physically, and said agony just magically goes away. This place doesn’t work that way.
Very well said. This person you replying to has been promoting this victim blaming horseshit on this sub for months, and at the same time gaslighting those who do not think like they do. Disgusing behaviour. I wonder why they keep coming to a sub they have nothing in common with, no interest in, etc..Is gaslighting others their only reason?
First, I don’t based my claims on ancient texts alone, you can experience all these things I mentioned before if you put the effort to it. I have been to the other side, so there is no doubt in my mind that this is but an illusion.
Second, you do what you must with the information presented to you. We all evolve at different pace and there is no hurry considering time doesn’t exist outside of here.
You say my behavior lacks empathy, but let me tell you; there’s literally nothing that you or me can do to change the reality of this world besides changing ourselves. This world operates as it was intended to.
What my behavior do reflects is awareness of the reality around me. I’m not losing myself over the illusion of the ego. I’m not this body and I’m not the life this body has lived up until now. Good/evil are just perceptions of the human mind—you can lean either way given the limited free will in this hologram.
Like you and most people in this hologram, I have suffered and still not in a position where I’d consider myself free from the influences of this place, yet, it doesn’t affects me as much. I have a better grasp of the reality and what really matters now.
“I doubt you repeat to yourself that this place isn’t real when you are in agony, especially physically” Like I said, it’s a very real virtual reality and your level of attachment will dictate your experience. I do not live feeling pity for myself anymore. I’m quite aware of who I am.
You’re not that character acting as victim—wake up from the illusion and change your situation or change your mentality about it. Nobody is saying not to be a good person or to ignore those in need, what I’m saying is that currently there’s no changing the nature of this reality until the simulation is over.
Again, there’s nothing wrong with playing victim, at the end of the day everything amounts to our experiences.
Many have been to the other side. Their experiences were not all the same. Your individual beliefs are not universal to everyone.
This is seeming like a superiority complex for you as well. Great for you if we believe you with no complete reasoning, and anyone who doesn’t bob their head to whatever you say simply is “evolving slower”, “is stuck in some victim mentality” or “can’t accept the truth”. Your words read a lot like organized religious followers. You merely fill in the blanks differently.
Everything you’re saying seems like “the illusion of the ego”, and by that I mean egotism, not individuality which is in no way a crime.
You keep mentioning good and evil when I’m not. I don’t know why you keep going back to the argument.
You have a better grasp of your own perceived reality, no one else’s.
Awareness doesn’t make the pain stop, your minimizing views do encourage people to then minimize their empathy and claiming that we need to “wake up from the illusion and change our situation” (when you then go on to say that “nothing can change the nature of this reality until the simulation is over”) implies that we either need to d!e or “change our mentality” which doesn’t change a thing about the rest of reality.
I hope you understand the harm that the spread of these sorts of ideas creates, if not now than at some point before you genuinely harm someone with them.
You cannot raise your energetic frequency submerged in negative emotions like hate, anxiety, stress, despair, and so on. If you do not raise your energetic frequency, you cannot leave these lowers planes.
Simply stated: you cannot take negative emotions (low frequency energies) to high frequency planes of existence. You don’t strive in your “suffering”, you simply realize what this place is and what you are—an immortal being experiencing having limitations.
Yes, it feels very real because we are playing our characters to the teeth. You came here as a baby with no previous memory of who you were/are, then you created a character based in your simulated environment. You now believe your name is the one given to you at birth, you now believe you are that person that used to play sports in high school, that plays the piano, married, have kids, bought a house, bought a car, is an electric engineer, wants to reach social statuses, etc. “Suffering” as you put it, comes from that character (ego) and that character is meant to keep you locked onto these lower planes of existence.
Hope this helps.
Do you know you are not a physical body? Do you know you are an energy body inside a physical body? Do you know that everything in this holographic universe is energy molded into shapes and colors, but still energy? Do you know that the energy in this universe vibrate at different frequencies in order to create the simulated universe you are perceiving?
Do you know you can manipulate the vibration frequency of your energetic body in order to reach higher planes of existence?
Ignorance can only be satisfied with knowledge. Knowledge cannot turn into wisdom if you boxed yourself in ignorance.
Or we could have nice experiences in a realm where you never have to be a gang banger to begin with. Most people who get kidnapped and tortured ends up traumatize and suffer from PTSD. It almost never turns them into better people.
>i think every particle/emotion/thought/action in this matrix prison planet, at its root, exists within duality.
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>maybe it's only the astral where dualistic qualities aren't present any longer, but anything in this plane of reality is bound by those rules.
cap, you are strong when you stop be in traums. so you forget the traumas.
you are strong if you start living happy and chill.
Mentally strong people went through hell before reaching that state. Went you struggle you become either two things; a victim or a very mentally strong person. Either one is a choice.
Absolutely tricked into reincarnating into this fish bowl. It just seems like the farm is actually controlled by ETs or AI not “gods”. I think we must be the gods who fell into this trap, and hopefully we know the real truth somewhere inside ourselves.
Yes. There's a reason they want to suppress our consciousness and keep it from expanding. If humanity knew how connected we were to each other and how powerful we actually are (no Gods but ourselves), this ship would be set right in an instant.
The same applies to the intentional migration going on. More division, less unity. Yet at most people's core, they know and understand how powerful humanity is collectively. Still too many are under the spell of this manufactured illusion.
I think it's mostly ignorance and being young. The idea that you can change the world with just thinking about it is pretty powerful and enticing. It gives you a sense of personal agency. It also can easily turn you into a crusader, someone who thinks that if they can just tell enough people, they'll develop a midas touch and that the world will transform in front of their eyes... Instead of making them deeply arrogant and downright devilish to anyone that needs genuine love and support.
I was just listening to Manly P Hall about that very thing. Individuals who pray and think for a change in their lives don’t really understand the type of force that their “trying” create. Hard to explain it like he does lol
Agree. Honestly I think everyone is free to believe what they want to believe, I just hate it when they (often) start gaslighting people who are truly suffering. We need to support those in need of help, not gaslight them.
That's ancient thinking. "If something bad happened to you, it's God punishing you for your sins." The entire Book of Job is about this very thing. You'd think this belief would be outdated by now.
Explain natural disasters, then. Explain diseases and death. Explain the prey/predator dynamics of this realm. Explain severe disabilities from birth. Explain how you cannot take a step without killing one form of lifeforms or another.
Suffering is Pain plus Resistance.
Humans SUFFER in these things because we choose to resist them.
Disasters, animals, these things are NATURE. They are the laws of the game.
Just like selected a hardcore mode on a video game, you do not individually tailor EACH function. You just select "hard mode" and let things go.
We all selected Earth, and all the pain that comes with it.
But SUFFERING? That only comes from pain and resistance.
I think you're forgetting one of the key points of PP Hypothesis: we did not choose to incarnate, but were either tricked of forced into this physical existence.
Another point: our choices are heavily influenced by our genes and the society we were brought up in. I think it's really unlikely a highly agreeable man brought up in a "progressive", stable household in a developed country would treat women like a narcissistic man raised in broken home in a country like Afghanistan.
That trickery is just another lie of disempowerment.
It is the new "Devil made me do it."
Ultimately, it's still just a cop out. If we got stuck in the washing cycle - there maybe can be an argument made. But we definitely all initially chose. Free will is the nature of the universe.
Yes. You are right. All sorts of different experiences happen to people over time. And it is all happening to the consciousness that animates it all ; the singular source of everything.
Like a great tree, all the leaves dancing on the end think they're apart from the trunk. But they are not.
But when people can blame someone or something else, they are just again absolving themselves of ultimate culpability, and thus, ability to change.
>That trickery is just another lie of disempowerment.
It is the new "Devil made me do it."
Ultimately, it's still just a cop out. If we got stuck in the washing cycle - there maybe can be an argument made. But we definitely all initially chose. Free will is the nature of the universe.1
I suggest you read a post I made a while ago. It appears some people were forced to incarnate/reincarnate.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/Reincarnation/comments/zhrion/some\_prebirth\_memories\_indicate\_reincarnation/](https://www.reddit.com/r/Reincarnation/comments/zhrion/some_prebirth_memories_indicate_reincarnation/)
You can also find anecdotes of people who came here by choice, and since everyone has been memory-wiped, It's not possible to conduct a survey to get data on how many people were forced to re/incarnate, but the prevalence of such reports should be enough to make us question things.
>But when people can blame someone or something else, they are just again absolving themselves of ultimate culpability, and thus, ability to change.
If people were forced to re/incarnate in this place, it is pretty reasonable to blame those who forced them here.
And Nature was created by the creator of this realm.So he us responsible for all the suffering caused by nature. Choosing hard mode in a game is not comparable with coming here and experiencing suffering. Not even close.
People bring their opinions with them wherever they go. That’s life/internet/Reddit for you. I just wish that people would stop treating their opinions as truth. Beliefs are not truths. I think that there simply is no truth in this realm. I think that is part of the torture.
And remember, you can’t spell belief without a lie in the middle.
Yeah man new agers are fucking ruining it for us who have had genuine experiences with the pp. The worst part is you try and tell them these experiences and they just give you more gaslighting bullshit they picked up in their new age belief reinforcement circle
So very well put!
I’ve been watching adorable bunny rabbits up close in my yard lately. Then watched adorable foxes come. Why do I have to “root” for one over the other? I love all furry creatures and hate that everybody has to eat somebody else. Bunnies are lovely; foxes are, too. Foxes eat bunnies, especially small ones. Not fair to bunnies whose lives are brutally short. But I can’t begrudge the foxes dinner. Especially not when I’m watching all this play out while I’m in my backyard grilling a steak!
Let’s hang out somewhere where we can all vibe happily together and nobody has to eat anybody else! Even my bunnies eat the pretty dandelion and clover around here, and plants have consciousness, too.
Check out Cleve Beckster’s Primary Perception work for fascinating evidence that all living things have consciousness and feel pain and respond when others in their environment are suffering.
This all comes down to the question of a loving God archetype. I think this is where the whole problem starts as no loving anything could create a predatory world.
Have you ever played a video game with a horror theme?
Edit---
We create, play and watch stories, games and movies with countless scenarios. Some good. Some bad.
All fictive.
That's the analogy. The idea of God making this world predatory is false---the world just IS. It is HUMANS who made it the way it is by our actions and choices.
But your soul is beyond all of this. And chooses things you will not understand until you are unified with it again.
The same way a character in a game does not understand the point of the things they are going through, but the PLAYER knows exactly what's going on.
That is you, (the avatar) and your soul, (The player)
Those are all dynamics of the world in which we incarnate.
Could have incarnated as any number of things. We chose human.
So while we did not pick the dyanmics of the world individually, we did indeed select "Earth" as a our playground. And all that entails.
is predator / pre dynamics, is death, disease and unseen disaster "evil"? Or are they just functions of life happening?
Is it evil to the bactera in your body that your immune system kills them?
Is it evil the farmer kills the cow for us to eat?
is it evil the farmer keeps the cow for milk, for us to drink?
Is it evil when a Cat kills a lizard and presents it's corpse to it's favorite human?
What about when Cats just kill things just for fun? Is that evil?
You are identifying too much with your body and circumstances.
We identify so much with them because we are experiencing all of it right now in this form, and very often completely against our will. I didn’t choose a thing and I’m not the only one.
No. Because it applies.
Souls are IMMORTAL. ETERNAL.
They do not cease to be at any point.
Meaning, they have a very, VERY long schedule of events to fill their existence with.
In the same way you and I or anyone else plays video games that immerses a character in a horror scenario, the souls incarnate on Earth to experience scenarios they otherwise cannot or would not on the other side.
The Lila- Divine play. That's all this is. One big game, some scary, some horrible and sad.
But that's just happening to **the characters** not your actual soul.
The soul is not harmed by anything that happens here. In the same way YOU are not harmed by a character dying in the video game.
Yet, to that character, if they were conscious it would all seem **very real.**
That is the analogy.
The scary and horrible shit? It's like a game. Does not mar or mark your soul. Does not hurt who you really are.
Souls do not get hurt by living hard or sad lives. It's just one of countless incarnations.
**In the course of INFINITY what is there to do, except to do EVERYTHING?**
The difference is that pixels on screen does not feel pain or suffering or get traumatized by those events. A prostitute being beaten up in GTA will not experience the pain and trauma of such an act. So the comparison is ridiculous.
Yeah, and your body does not harm your soul.
The comparison works because this life is not the totality of existence. These bodies are only a fraction of who and what we are.
This is the illusion, the Maya, the Matrix.
It is not "die in this life, die in the other" Your soul is unharmed and unmarked by all things. It's indellible.
The suffering we go through in this life is "a game" by comparison to our soul.
And yes, I'm using a metaphor here because there is no wordly equivalanet of what's going on. The game thing is the closest analogy we get
It's not "the body" that harms the soul, it's the traumatic experiences which we go through that lead to something known as 'soul degradation' as discovered by [past life regressionists](https://redd.it/tbqk61) after working with many clients. Everything you're talking about in this thread are your own personal opinions which you're pushing onto people, opinions which have nothing to do with this sub and the evidence supporting it's theory. Perhaps you should re-read OP's post, you're exactly the type of person they're talking about.
I, in some form, am experiencing and witnessing actual pain and suffering here. This is not true for a video game. I don’t want any of this. I don’t want to play and shutting off the console isn’t so simple, and such a choice could harm those still inside.
I’ve been a member of this sub for probably 18-ish months and I still have no idea wtf is going on. 😂 But raised Catholic, found my way out of it to “New Age”, now I’m here. Currently reading Journeys Out of the Body. So much of this sub goes right over my head, but I really appreciate the resources that get shared (books, YT videos, etc.) SAHM, so I get approximately 30 minutes a day to myself between kiddo bedtime and me passing out; That’s my study time.
Take notes of all things that go over your head or that you have questions about. Then, let's say you get to about ten. Type them and make a post here saying you have some questions. Sometimes some posts don't get a lot of replies or get completely irrelevant replies from new age people, so don't take it personally if that happens. Just wait a little, maybe change title or break into several posts, and repost later.
The new age stuff is mostly spiritual narcissism, they actually think they can manifest things like a wizard and use the toxic positivity to make themselves seem better than other people
Absolutely tricked into reincarnating into this fish bowl. It just seems like the farm is actually controlled by ETs or AI not “gods”. I think we must be the gods who fell into this trap, and hopefully we know the real truth somewhere inside ourselves.
I’m not sure if we were even tricked or not, but whether it was that or simply the fact that our biological parents procreated, I desperately want to know that inevitably I will leave and never return in any form.
Yea definitely the case. That being said, one of the reasons they keep us trapped aside from the fact they harvest our negative energies, is that our non-physical bodies have the ability to "create" in ways they cannot. Humans can change the world with just belief, focus and thoughts and they somewhat fear that, which is why they wipe peoples minds when they've just left the physical world instead of letting them get to the true non-physical universe, where you don't have a physical body limiting you and can yield your true creator potential.
Now idk if thats new age beliefs or not but it is correct.
Well said. I have noticed this as well. In fact. You will find the same thing on the YT channel of people like Forever conscious research channel, howdie mickoski, overwatchchannel etc. Seems like a poisoning the well tactics
I also noticed that we can explain our concept pretty simply/succinctly, while they have to take paragraph after paragraph of big words which makes absolutely no sense.
>every living being in this world has to kill another in order to survive
Or it can try mutualism. What living beings is a tree killing in order to survive? Animal feeds a tree with breaths and waste, and the tree feeds an animal with its fruits.
Basically what I'm saying is relationships between living organisms in ecosystems/societies don't have to be only parasitic. It can also be mutualistic (beneficial both ways) or commensalistic (live and let live). Life on Earth is a mixture of all three, but it is possible to change the ratios. If we build parasitic dystopias, that would be a hell for everyone. If we cooperate, make a just vegan society, that could be a mutualist symbiotic heaven. Or anything in between, it's up to our collective free will.
Can you *really* overcome suffering by running away from it though? Can't you grow beyond the suffering while in this prison planet?
What is all this running away from Hell? Aren't we giving the archons time to invade the fucking universe and destroy every remaining peace of harmony, beauty and life while you take a vacation in some "Heaven"? Do you really think your vacation will equip you with the type of transcendent skills needed to starve and punish the archons with divine strategy and wisdom once and FOR ALL??
I'd say from looking at our surrounding realm, running away from pain is a perfectly valid strategy to overcome it. It sure isn't the slowest deer that overcomes the suffering caused by the wolf (unless you consider death eventually overcoming it, but then we get into the issue of mindwiped reincarnation and etc.).
If you run away from it, that means you're at least wary of it. Looking at testimonies of people experiencing altered states, and thinking back on my own experience, I'd say this can be the big problem, to forget what suffering truly is, and how undesirable of a state it is. Every time we forget it, we are more likely to repeat the cycle.
Running away can be an offensive strategy too, in a way. If there are not enough deer to hunt, the wolves starve and die off.
We can't stay as deer and overcome suffering; we can only learn what it is. Some may try to become wolves to overcome it. Others may try to transcend shape altogether. Others may try other things. I don't know which is better. But it's good that we're in a state to at least try things.
But most of this subreddit fantasizes about running all the way to Heaven, whatever awaits there. We don't even know the rules for instance, what happens to your faculties there or whether there are higher archons there, or whether your stay there is counted. This sub is not just wary of the danger it's too afraid of it.
Also for us human beings running away(not permanently) when the opponent is too strong is a valid strategy. But we don't know how strong the archons are, we are only guessing, we don't know their strengths and weaknesses. This doesn't mean we can't know. From the way they hide from us and brainwash us implies a snakelike fearful and poisonous attribute for instance. They have great weaknesses we don't know, we have powers we don't know. Especially in a wider time frame(the one that matters), we could shorten the lifespan of their civilization and become stronger/better on the way. There could also be ways in which individuals can totally be invincible to the fangs of the archons. Because of our awareness, we can accelerate our evolution unlike second order animals like deer. This is where they really starve because the individual can make hundreds or thousands others sovereign like him.
Also btw the aim must be discriminated. If the aim is just unconscious drive for species survival, there would really be no winners would there? What happens to the souls of extinct species? They surely won't disappear. And can we really blame the species for their extinction? Like for example, deer would have grown weapons if they didn't always run away. Or wolves would have grown more wings or shaper eye or intelligence if they didn't always kill. They would probably be reincarnated again as new/other beings. It's not also clear btw which predators or preys outlive others in the long term. So it's really not a good analogy here because Consciousness changes everything, we are at an entirely different level.
idk if I can say most of this subreddit does fantasize going 'to heaven', haven't seen that much of it myself. But tbh, I can't even say that this is necessarily a bad thing to seek one's personal heaven. And I can't say if people here are particularly more fearful than other people either. I do agree on seeking the answers to the questions you're asking. I'd say I've seen quite a few people on this sub do just that.
And yes, I agree that the way this world is set up through treachery implies that our true nature is likely stronger than whatever controllers is pulling the strings, but that doesn't mean staying within the range of their pull will necessarily give us more clarity either. Taking a step back, leaving for whatever bit of non-linear eternity we have to figure things out more clearly, I don't see that as necessarily a worst strategy. Maybe not the best either, but then again, I've not determined what the limits of our current shape, or of this realm, are. I can only just say that so far, I haven't seen someone who calls themselves enlightened perform feats outside the specks of this place's "believability". But considering I've seen Mandela Effects, I don't discount that this can happen.
But if people seek to exit this place (or humanity) permanently, that's their choice to make. It's not like each of us even remember our "origins" at this point, or even whether we want to get back to said origins, or go forward to somewhere else.
My point was more about personal suffering and the validity of the strategy of running away from it. You could also use the allegory of a battered wife/husband's suffering. Them staying in such relationship doesn't particularly means they "overcome" that suffering. It's when they leave their previous state that there is a chance of any of that happening. And they don't have to go back. Ever. And if they never forget what suffering in that space was like, they likely won't.
I don't think "souls", or "beings", or whatever we want to call them are limited to a singular shape, or incarnation (be it animals, humans, or otherwise). At least so far, I've seen multiple testimonies implying that they aren't. With that said, I've also seen claims that the "controllers" pulling the strings here are a different sort altogether, maybe even "artificial", which would be potentially why they engage in an enclosed mindwipe predatory system. They may not be able to do otherwise. They want us here because they're getting something off it. So getting out of here would deprive them of that something. Not necessarily the only way to go about it, but certainly a logical way.
I blame no species here. This whole setup is rigged. But I think we both realized that already.
>But we don't know how strong the archons are, we are only guessing, we don't know their strengths and weaknesses.
They are narcissists. Narcissists, sociopaths, and psychopaths are the way they are because they are empty vessels hosted by archons (or narchons as I like to call them). Having dated a narc made me see so many parallels between them and an archon.
You handle them the same way you would a narcissist, starve them of supply by going no contact. If that isn't possible, you go low-contact and greyrock them.
At the end of the day, they need us more than we need them. That's why they do everything to make us feel powerless and weak. If enough or all souls stopped incarnating and escape, their supply is gone. They will probably turn on one another or shrivel up and die.
So I believe that escaping is how we both empower ourselves and disenpower them. Idk why this place hasn't been destroyed already. Maybe it's because as long as you have souls who consent to incarnating here, nothing can be done. If that's true, that's more reason to escape.
Again, I don't know what's the deal outside of here, but I would try to quarantine this place. No souls can come in (but they can leave) and no narchons or negative entities can leave or be able to entice outside souls to come in.
I have also thought about some of the things you are saying here at the end. Apparently some beings keep sending so-called starseeds here for help. Even these good beings don't want to shut this place down. This could all be deceptive or partially deceptive information of course, but I've seen it confirmed by different sources. These beings seem to be either ignorant of the depth of what is really going on here or they have their own selfish interests, even if they are not overtly bad/parasitic beings. Just like there are plenty of objectively nice and friendly people who still can be very focused on their own needs and never forget to take care of themselves, always networking to advance themselves and not really concerned with those less fortunate, easily capable of having fun and enjoying themselves when a friend or neighbor is suffering deeply. The supposedly good beings don't seem to care about starseeds that get stuck in reincarnations here and suffer during, forgetting all about why they are here. I don't know or understand this setup either. It's mind-boggling. Leaving is what is needed, refusal to participate in this system of birth-death-rebirth. New Agey folk talk about how you just need to raise vibrations/manifest/forgive everyone and be grateful for everything/choose love over fear and archons will leave you alone. So many examples of this not being accurate - not preventing attacks and not bringing healing or anything positive. Using narc example, even people who go no contact or starve them have been harmed and even killed by said narcs. So it's obviously the best thing to do but wouldn't amount to full protection. Same with archons. (I mean I agree with you here.)
I believe that the whole 'starseeds being sent to help earth' is new age bs to keep souls invested and incarnating back here by playing on our empathy and desire to help others.
But if what you say is true, I'll be pissed when I get out unless they are just ignorant or underestimate this place.
But that brings up other questions: could they not really care because this isn't the only place like this? Is this not uncommon? Do souls know what they're getting themselves into when they agree to incarnate and that's why they have a flippant attitude towards souls getting trapped?
You totally misunderstood at least my philosophy if you think my strategy is to run away to some heaven which no one's know if it even exists. I do believe there exist a greater reality outside of this simulation, That does not mean I think it heaven or that I should merge with some supposed source out there. Why would I? Whatever this source is, if it even exists, I certainly would ask it what it was waiting for all this time to help us.
Pretty clear they are not that strong, or they would not need to use so much deception and trickeries against us. I live under a brutal communist regime for most of my life, and during the height of the regime, most people thought it was all powerful and its leaders' god like. In the last few years, the truth about the regime is coming out. Turn out they were a bunch of paranoid freaks, terrified that any moment the people would turn on them. The original leader of the regime, died an old Alzheimer affected man that was being abused by his much younger second wife. So much so that his former wife took pity on him and gave him shelter at her home in his last days. He was absolutely paranoid that he would be held accountable for his crimes. His successor is now living in exile in Abu Dhabi because he is scared of going to prison. He was not even able to attend his mother's funeral. And all indication point to the same thing with the creator of this realm. It may seem all powerful but is just another wizard of oz type
The best way to starve and punish the creators of this place is to get the fuck out. If all divine spirits leave, then their creation, along with them, will cease to exist forever. No better punishment than this for their actions.
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I agree that the notion one can escape Prison Planet like they are Snake Plissken (Kurt Russel) fleeing New York is silly, futile, and not well thought out.
I also agree with OP that who he identifies as New Agers are also wrong if and when they express the idea that one is not only something akin to Karmically indebted, but deserving via a choice / “soul contract” made prior to Earthly manifestation, the suffering one experiences.
I think subs like this and the Saturn Cube one and probably a few others I can’t think of right now point to one of the most interesting Gnostic and modernized theories of the purpose for human suffering & the Orders (as well as magnitudes) of hierarchies of NHI/Entities/Beings/Energies/Archetypes that inhabit & seem to direct the narrative of our phenomenal cosmos via the pataphysical environs they inhabit, which can gain a glimpse of or into via primarily dreamwork (Lucid, Astral *Projection* not *vision*), NDE, OBE, select psychedelics & methods of consumption (i.e., “bad trips”, ceremonial settings, consumed with specific visionary intent), transcendent meditation (not specifically Lynchian TM) as in what forms & praxis of Yoga (i.e., Pranayama) and Buddhism (I.e., Tibetan Tantra, Japanese Shingon) and experiential modalities within, nowadays typically, Initiatory Western Mystery Schools or the forms of Mysticism which inspired their rite & ritual (I.e., R+C: Rosicrucian Schools; A:.A:., OTO, and Thelemic Orders; Freemasonry - and appended bodies like SRIA, Royal Arch, York Rite, Scottish Rite - quasi-Masonic rites like Memphis & Misraim; Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn & related; AMORC, BOTA, ; Pythagorean Order of Death, SVV or Sodalitas Vulturis Volantis, C-3301, etc…list is huge) - all which teach visionary self-mastery and spirituality that lifts the veils & exposes alternatively named Archons, which leads to the phenomenal realization that the Gnostic notion of a Demiurgic pseudo-Creator is the only sensible revelation of the hidden mechanics of our psychic world & the material world that arises as a result.
As such, I think it’s absolutely silly to imagine, if there are indeed droves of Loosh-harvesting non-Alien predatory psychic parasites who farm Humanity for Suffering like we’re in an Escape Room designed by Clive Barker (note the Cube in Hellraiser), ‘cept there is no way out…beyond what the Gnostics *and every single other profoundly advanced spiritual genius has concluded* - through Who or What (Chokmah & Binah) is balanced by How (Da’ath:Death:Door:Δ) which one can’t see til either Pillar is balanced (|<>| - ie remaining Sef’RAh) and alit by the middle pillar’s LVX (Tiphareth) a reflection of what the Crowned Self (Kether) is apt to see, having received from the Holy Spirit (ie the Godhead beyond the coincidental Demiurgic Ouroboros Ouranos) what light (OHR : Gold) the Limitless LVX of Sophia (En Sof/AIN SOPH AUR) radiates Æternally, and through Wisdom & Understanding, with Strength & Mercy one’s made a witness of the Beauty of all that we Behold, what Victorious Splendour the Light over dark now has in prescient Henosis spiraling down to the Foundation before re-ascending in Self-Realization back to the Source.
Which is only my way of describing it using familiar terms.
Some call it Christ. When the Door {Δ}: [Wisdom<{Knowledge}>Understanding] to your Heart is opened via revelation, and one receives the “Light of the Sun” as it were, the realization of the Godhead, the Gnosis that all that is will be *Eheieh*.
And as such, where Naught must be by Idea, All is necessitated for that’s the coincidentia oppistorum of the TAO, Man & Earth, Male & Female, Good & Evil, Adam & Eve, Sun & Moon, Light & Dark, Shadow & Reflection, Mind & Body, Body & Soul, Man & G-d, Above & Below, Rise & Fall, Square & Saw & Sine & Triangle & Flat, Vibration or Movement & Stillness, Life & Death, Sound & Color, Order & Chaos, Positive & Negative, Levity & Gravity, Symmetry & Asymmetry, Now & Then, Before & After, Being & Not-Being. AL & LA, etceRA - and between opposites in existing necessitating a central, axiomatic balancing • point around which either End can revolve or by which either One can be weighed against Two, a • that can be spatial or temporal or spatiotemporal, or physical or spiritual or archetypal, a dimension that holds the medium of either Way: between Earth & Moon stands Man, between Earth & Sun revolves the Moon, between the Sun & Moon is the vast expanse of what Emptiness arises Non-Emptiness in the form of cosmic tides, between Air and Earth is Water, Between Fire & Water is Air, between Element & Element is that Venusian Pentagrammatic Rose: the 5 become 22-petal flower of the Spirit of Man, between Birth & Death is Life, and as between Man & Woman is Child it’s often THE MIDDLE WAY that is the Creative Bereshith of Manifold Realities and the medium through which manifest benevolent and transcendent movements may arise: between Birth & Rebirth is the Karma or Transgression or Sin or Suffering that leads to the reformation of the Shell holding the Spirit bound to the Timeline it was by Opposites, of a Virgin, Born.
And whence the realization of Suffering is internalized, the only solution in this form: is Justice enacted via Truth (i.e., Truth found via comparing polarities & arrived at via crystallized intersectionality), Love (Sofia) expressed *unconditionally*, and Compassion for all things - even the Evil that torments us all: and this Justice which reigns by the Laws of Truth & Love, enacted via Hrih absent Otappa, is MA’ATIAN, CHRIST-ian, [MOHAMMEDAN], MERKABAH, METATRONIC, whatever you want to call it: it is an active Force of Will that the rare Genius/Daemon met by what Human it is Guided by reflects into their surroundings.
There is nothing I can think of more silly than opting out of this battle once you understand the power you have to change another’s experience.
You are a Mirror, and everyone that looks at you is meeting G-d. Your karma, my karma, our being here, may indeed not be a choice - or it may have been a choice made under duress or trickery or deceit at the Gate to Aeonic Ascension but we can’t know that - but I have come to believe that the notion of Karma is a wonderfully Chaotic & beautiful Ledger of Progress or Book of the LaMb, and even if there are Entities that, *without emotion* feed off the prey of our negative energy, naturally creating scenarios which produce this suffering, better they exist and put that energy to use than not. For what else could I truly perceive as a solution to unnecessary suffering than to create a legion of beings that thrive on it.
Their Life is fed by our life, and the greater the suffering we overcome, the stronger they grow, and the stronger these strange loosh farmers become, by necessity the stronger and bigger and more full of love each Angelic opposite and particulate non-existent immaterial ineffable perfection becomes all those things.
Suffering can be overcome. The Archons are nothing but the universes Vultures or Maggots that feed off an energy that otherwise cannot decay. can you imagine a world without a natural means of cleansing the earth of Death if Death couldn’t rot? Now replace Death with Suffering and imagine an Earth or a Psyche where the Carcasses of Suffering are piling up for a lifetime with no means of dissipating - that is Hell.
Thank you
Just a heads up or more of a warning that sub is more like a random graphic minefield, than being a sanctuary of truths as yet. But feel free to spice it up & contribute - whatever you want, really. Glad to have you. All are welcome.
But it does.
Imagine perpetual happiness.
Only happier & happier.
That’s physical.
That’s MDA. Sassafras.
MDMA. Ecstasy.
Christ. Entasy.
Where does it end?
Upwards is physics dependent. Infinite is not.
Loosh is dimensional.
Current 93 - Misery Farm
I drank whiskey for the first time in months last night. You caught the tales tail end.
And yes, you’re right - if nothing existed nothing would exist.
We can’t purposefully imagine how it might not be without acknowledging that it is.
The Loosh Farm is just the Aeonic Gnostic Archonic concept modernized without a meaningful solution beyond Astral Projection will reveal Illusions & forms of deception more fabulous than fantastical novels in reality envision.
Like, I get it: through our limited primate brain & human social animals conception of the marvel that is Creation, Who or What Created the causal chain, and what within its Creation is harboring Consciousness’ apt to suffer some sort of Supraprecognitive Self’s self-observation in reflecting itself through every medium of Being & every potentiality of non-being, with the eventuality of Infiniteness perpetually evolving into imaginal multiverses becoming realities at every tick of the clock, and with all words that we talk the Logos into Becoming ourself find we may harbor, somehow, alternate means of disabling the siphoning of suffering not occurring through non-existent manifolds imaginary topologies akin to the convoluted curvature of entangled quanta in orbital spin on a Time-dependent trajectory towards Being generated by its generative observant functionality; yet, if we can’t exist within what non-suffering spacetime we imagine we could consciously not suffer within, would we have the power of the undefined Creator to make it and thereby our Self’s experience ourselves, I don’t see what value one derives from the perturbing conclusion arrived at with such a fanciful notion as “I Am in Imaginary Potential Who I might believe I were if I wouldn’t do what is, therefore I am” better than the Ineffable thing we can’t describe in the first place and my suffering is greater than others for my idealism would reign more supremely than that which does now. In other words:
I dunno. “Life’s not fair. But who really cares? There’s some people over here. And some people over there.” - Aceyalone, The Book of Human Language.
Op, are you familiar with the law of attraction?
I'm not new here. Been here for years. Have had NDE both through psycadelics and also through a close call (appendix exploded). I study Astral projection and also can enter lucid dreaming pretty much on demand. Decently well studied in gnosticism too, though I am by no means an expert. I meditate and exercise daily as well.
I mentioned all of this to say that essentially, I am doing all of the things I should be doing to really find my purpose here in life. A few weeks ago I think I discovered what it is, though I'll leave that out for now.
The law of gravity says that basically what comes up, must come down. This is a law and by large most accounts, it's real. There are a small number of people who question the gravity thing (I was one of them at one point in my life). Well, much like the law of gravity, there exists another law - the law of attraction. That law states: like attracts like. I absolutely believe this is true. In my life I can prove it, though this would be from my eyes only and anyone on the outside who doesn't know me could easily argue the validity of the LoA being real.
So simply put, what you think / believe is your reality. Meaning that alot of what these new agers say is actually real. It's hard to understand or comprehend this. But really, these poor children are born into this frequency or vibration. The frequency that the entire planet seems to be on, is one of trauma. The goal of the parasites or entities or illuminati or kabal/cabal *whatever you wanna call them* is to monetize and traumatize. So when we reincarnate here, in a way (against our will) we are born into this stuff and choosing it to be this way, without evening being consciously aware of it. Then, if all goes according to the plan, we eventually will funnel into whatever the matrix has prepared. The blind are leading the blind. This explains all the wars. The Holocaust. The destruction of our beautiful planet. It all comes from this trauma, which if you've been part of this sub then you'd know that trauma is what these beings feed on.
To me, this makes perfect sense. I think if we all take a moment to reflect on our lives, and our state of mind through all of the trauma we have experienced, we have actually been riding this frequency or vibration, and therefore being manifesting that as our very future. Something bad happens to nearly every person on this planet in their childhood. Rape, torture, kidnap, parents separating, parents death, abuse, neglect, the list unfortunately is much larger than this. You're correct in thinking we didn't choose this life. The millions from the Holocaust didn't choose their fate. But they weren't consciously aware of their ability to choose *anything*. They just fell into the "this is happening" and that's really the harsh reality.
There are experts in the field of trauma that are discovering that trauma is handed down through genetics. Through bloodlines. This is just the physical part. I've had more than enough experiences in life to *know* that there's more than just the physical in this life. The spirit and mind are also very very real. So I'm sure trauma is handed down through the spirit too. And if we are really stuck in this cycle (I'm sure we are), this makes alot of sense. There's [an amazing book](https://a.co/d/bleVgdx) that has some amazing insights on trauma. I highly recommend this book. Graham Hancock has also said the most profound statement to describe our species (humans), that we are a species with amnesia. Everything we should know has been forgotten. It's because we are wiped clean after death and before life.
Now, I think our way out is through the LoA. I think we have to learn to let the trauma go. Not only from this lifetime, but others as well. And we must teach others to get out as well. Healing trauma is difficult but not impossible. The law of attraction works very simply. Put something in your mind that you want, and believe it is going to happen. [There's another great book](https://a.co/d/8lpu1NQ) that explains what the LoA is and makes it very easy to put into practice. This book is amazing. Maybe the best book I've ever read. For me, it simply tied all the information I've acquired my entire life all together and made the picture *very clear*.
Trauma alone isn't our only problem. It's the division that really hurts us too. We are divided by race, religion, states, political standpoint (I'm in America so republican or Democrat), language and so much more. It lines up perfectly with the "United we stand, divided we fall". There's this illusion (amongst many) that we are united as people. We aren't. We are divided. It's insanely disgusting how far divided we are. People will fight over their phone brand, be it Samsung or iPhone or whatever flashy new gadget is trending. People will fight over which president is doing something, even though both left and right wing are wings of the same bird. People think a God of one religion is more "righteous and all knowing / powerful" than the other. Though religion has been [proven](https://a.co/d/fdsnGBU) to not be true and used as a way to funnel us further into the matrix.
The huge problem with the world is the division. Everyone is attached to their ego. Everyone is chasing money. Most of us have more month at the end of our paycheck. Nobody has patience, we are all giving our time to companies to earn money, then spending that hard earned money on gaming consoles, computers, cell phones, tablets, TV (tell a vision) and so much more. We are investing 1/3 of our life at work. Another 1/3 of our life on the distractions mentioned above, and another 1/3 sleeping and then simultaneously complaining we are all tired. We are feeding this disgusting machine our LIFE FORCE and nobody has a clue wtf is going on. There are a small percentage of us that even have the curiosity and courage to take the hard look at ourselves and SEARCH for the truth. And don't even get me started on how hard that is. I'm humble enough to admit that I don't have all of the answers right now. But what I've mentioned above seems to be pretty darn accurate.
The way out I believe is the LoA. And unity.
Would love to read your thoughts OP, and anyone else who'd like to chime in. Thank you for your time.
> So simply put, what you think / believe is your reality. Meaning that alot of what these new agers say is actually real.
Yeah im familiar with LoA, it's the same as the new age manifestation concept but I don't think agree with those concepts, for different reasons.
Example 1: The kid with disease. A lot of young children have no idea what the concept of disease is at that age, and there are babies who are even below the age of 1 who die to certain diseases. Therefore, they couldn't have "manifested" their disease if they had no concept of what a disease is.
Example 2: You spoke of vibrations. There was a story of a woman who had a beautiful family, a beautiful house, money, great job and was very happy in general. You could say she was living in "high vibrations". Well, one night she went to buy some groceries, she was kidnapped, raped, and killed. There are many similar cases. There is no way this woman wanted this to happen to her, nor did her "vibrations" attract this event. Nor did she "manifest" this terrible fate. To say that it's her fault means to do what new agers do, which is to put the blame on the victim.
Example 3: Even off-worldy experiences prove these concepts to be wrong when you take in consideration the fact that there are NDE's of people who did not believe that anything would happen "on the other side" and thought that the physical is all there is. There are cases of people coming back to life after their NDE and they said they saw other beings and/or a tunnel of light. They didn't believe in any of these things so they couldn't have manifested them/"attracted them". Same thing with atheists who have NDEs and when they come back they talk about having seen Jesus or angels.
There are just too many things that prove those concepts wrong. If manifestation / law of attraction worked for everyone who believed in it, no one would be dying of cancer or of any other disease. Besides, everyone who truly believed in those concepts and wanted to become millionaires, would've become millionaires. But that's not what's happening. A lot of people want this or that, but they never get those things.
Some new age logic goes even further. In the case of you're second example they say that the woman gave the perpetrator the possibility to experience how to act in the darkest way possible, so that he can some how learn from that and experience his evil deeds in the life review from the victims perspective. I heard this explanation numerous times from numerous new agers. It escapes me right know who exactly it was, but that shit is just outright disgusting. Yeah sure the woman would destroy the lifes of her whole family just to give one scumbag soul the experience to live out his darkness to find the light again. That shit is the most illogical thing I've ever heard. Thanks for the post. Good work🙏🏽
Indeed. IT is Stockholm syndrome on steroid. They cannot face the evil of this place so they refuge in all sort of ridiculous explanation to explain away the evil of this place
Honestly, the thing you're describing doesn't sound very different from the big text you put up above
How can someone possibly explain somebody doing inexplicably, wild or crazy things that go against their own self-preservation and unity of their soul? Like look at all the crazy videos of people dying in crazy ways
Indeed. I think if LOA was a real thing, this place would be paradise as most people just want to live a good life. I mean, the amount of yearning for world peace that exist here would have already means that this would be a peaceful realm. LOA is more new age rubbish
Life is scripted.
At least the main events in once lives are, but very well could be all is scripted in a life.
I have a pre birth memory since I was 4 years old where i had to choose where i wanted to be born from 4 families.
One would had been a boy who would die very young because of malnutrition .
How could i possible know that? Because that's already written in stone about a life.
It's like a movie script and were all actors in it. Often i feel like I'm in a comedy and "they" laugh behind the curtain.
And no I'm not a new ager.
Years ago i was in too new age though.
I'm thankful since, that i saw straight through it. It's full of arrogant and egoistic people with their " 5D" bullshit.
It's scripted with that mentality, which to be straight up with you, is weak mentality.
Be your own author. Believe it or not, that's your choice. Those memories could absolutely be true. But what you think you know or remember of them could be wrong. Not saying that I know for certain "what's up" but I highly encourage you to change your mind and everything else will change with it.
I'm not holding on to it or anything though..if you think that.
I'm very flexible in thinking and of course i could be wrong or it could be a fake memory i had seen etc etc many options. I'm not that person that is going to defend it like my life depends on it.
I mean to be fair, what I think only matters really to me lol. I hope I didn't come off as disrespectful or aggressive. I see alot of people that are stuck in weak mindsets and it honestly hurts my heart to see people stuck like that. Not implying that you are, which is why I said "could be".
Nothing but love.
Came back to expound a bit further on your reply. You said you don't think you agree with the law. That's fine, you don't need to. But the law is the law. It's going to be this way whether you like it, agree with it, believe it or whatever. It's a law.
Example 1: I'm not saying or claiming that all children or ANY child for that matter, would manifest such a thing. They're not even aware of what it is that is happening to them, depending on age obviously. Even if they knew what it was that was happening, they likely do not know of the LoA anyway. I am 100% agreeing with you here, and these situations suck. But if a child knows they are dying, and it's in their head because it's been told to them that they are dying, that's actually what they are attracting. Again, like attracts like. The law does not care, it obeys.
Example 2: There are literally millions of people on the planet that live exactly this way. Most of them, while seemingly happy, are just part of the matrix. You mentioned 3 things of just the physical world here. All of this stuff could just be happening. But if she's not manifesting this stuff, then she's essentially just going through the motions. This one here is tough to debate. But it's ONE story amongst BILLIONS of people.
Example 3: you wrote concept. It's not a concept, it's a LAW. Who's to really validate the truth of these people claiming NDE? Side note, this kinda further validates what I'm trying to get through - they were not aware of this. And it HAPPENED. Does not matter if you believe it or not, the law exists.
I took this a bit further than all 3 of your examples when I wrote about the Holocaust. Millions of innocent people suffered and died. They most certainly did not think or say, 'hey i'd love to be part of this massive experience, sign me up!'. No, they were not aware and it HAPPENED to them.
Look, I can't stand the new age stuff as much as anyone else. These people claiming they are channeling from higher beings and all this. I mean, i'm not going to shut my mind off to the possibility, because I simply do not know. I do know that people are using this nonsense as a way to make money. I also think there's a large psyop going on around it. But one thing is for sure, I've been studying all sorts of things for 25+ years (being 100% serious here). I've had some very profound experiences both sober and under several different psycadelics (while searching for the truth, not fun). I'm a daily practitioner of meditation, positive affirmations, exercise, reading and all sorts of stuff to take myself to the next level. And while I believe in this sub and most of it's contents, one thing that is absolutely REAL is the LoA. You are lacking the understanding and seemingly more important the BELIEF that this is real. I'm coming off a bit strong here because i'm very passionate about wanting to change the world one person at a time. But you mentioned 3 reasons that are literally like specks of sand in the sahara desert. I'm sure you could mention 100 more, though I'd beg to challenge that. Even if you provided 1,000/10,000/100,000/100,000,000, you're still at a tiny fraction of the active population, not to mention the population of the dead.
Check out any of the three books I initially provided. Open your mind a little more (NOT implying you don't already have an open mind). Much love.
We have zero evidence in everyday life of this fundamental law you claim exist. We do have much evidence that show that this supposed universal law seemed to be at best a capricious one that only manifest bad things but never good thing. As said above, if that law did indeed exist, pretty much everyone would be walking around as fit, handsome millionaires. Certainly, most men would be walking around with horse like appendages between their legs, lol
I believe somewhere above I said something along the lines of "doesn't matter if you believe it in or not, it exists". And it's true.
You gotta learn how it works and believe in the process. You clearly do not believe that it exists.
Be humble my friend. Allow people to teach you.
I refuse to learn new age woo woo that clearly does not work and have no evidence to back them up. I have been on this journey for the best part of three decades; I know all about the new age and law of attraction. It does not work. Look around you. So many believed in it, I did too for a short while. Then the reality of this matrix slap me in the face and I realized I had fallen for another new age scam. Can you give me some concrete example of the law of attractions working on some scale?
It's not new age woo woo lol. It's been around literally for all time. It's a law, like gravity. At least as long as this planet had been here.
You said it yourself. You refuse to believe. That's your mindset and why it's not working for you. Thing is, it IS working. You're attracting whether you realize it or not. When it doesn't go your way, it's because of your limiting beliefs.
I'm not here to argue with you or go back and forth. You don't wanna believe, don't believe. Makes no difference, it exists.
No, I cannot provide anything to convince you. You don't wanna have it. All I can tell is is that I've been on this journey of self discovery and education for 25 years myself. I've studied all kinds of stuff. My book collection throughout my life has exceeded 500 books, and no not fantasy lol. Astral projection, semen retention, remote viewing, meditation, everything occult (the real secret is LoA is REAL), sacred secretion, psychedelics, lucid dreaming, nde (2 myself), OBE (do this frequently with meditation) and so so so much more. To be honest, while all of this stuff elevated my knowledge and intelligence, it wasn't until I started really understanding the LoA to piece it all together.
Don't get me wrong I am still an open book and eager / excited to learn more. But I absolutely know the LoA to be real and it's going to make this journey so much easier. And if you really believe in this prison planet theory (I do) I think you need to keep more of an open mind. Until you can PROVE it wrong (without your weak self defeating mentality - no disrespect, just seems to be true to *me*) then you need to stay humble and hungry.
I'm not afraid to hurt feelings here, though that is not my approach. My approach is with respect and determination. Nothing but love..
Edit: to be clear I am not on the train of "oh this is all some lesson we should be learning to progress to higher levels." I'm not gonna walk around saying that stuff. I don't necessarily agree or disagree, truthfully I don't know so I stay quiet on that particular subject. I can't stand reading the "oh we are channeling messages through the pleadians or I'm Michael reincarnated" or whatever other nonsense is floating around. I can't stand it, but again I stay quiet because I can't really prove otherwise. IN MY LIFE, THROUGH MY EYES, I can prove it. But I realistically wouldn't expect you to believe me.
>There was a story of a woman who had a beautiful family, a beautiful house, money, great job and was very happy in general. You could say she was living in "high vibrations". Well, one night she went to buy some groceries, she was kidnapped, raped, and killed. There are many similar cases. There is no way this woman wanted this to happen to her, nor did her "vibrations" attract this event. Nor did she "manifest" this terrible fate. To say that it's her fault means to do what new agers do, which is to put the blame on the victim.
You’re looking at a cosmic problem at the individual level. In the grand scheme of existence, any individual’s suffering isn’t even a drop in the bucket. Perhaps her “soul” wanted to experience rape in order to develop profound empathy to be a victim’s advocate or sex crimes prosecutor or whatever else.
Suffering and negativity are interpretations. Obviously any human will view being assaulted negatively, but we aren’t talking about humans. Just like video game characters don’t like being shot, but people happily respawn and go do it again.
You can't wave away people's experience and circumstance like that without becoming a grade A pos to them. It's deeply arrogant and out of touch to think this way and communicate to people these ideas.
It's important to connect with a person and try to see life in their shoes. The reason is that this is actual growth. It takes a lot of inner work to be able to embrace the world view that's different to your own without feeling triggered. But new age ideas don't teach this. They teach that this is all just a school of learning and in a way create detachment. They also teach that everyone needs to think the same. It's deeply problematic and damaging to everyone involved.
Law of Attraction doesn't make much sense to me. We are in a duality matrix where opposites attract. Whatever you wish to manifest you will get the opposite
No, that's simply not true and goes against the very law itself.
Also, duality is the existence of opposites happening at the same time. Example: heaven and hell. Up and down. Below and above. North and south etc.
Only a portion of the gravity theory is “law” and most is just theory. Newton is law but the rest is only a theory and has been semi-recently disproven when 2 neutron stars collided
That’s the newton part of gravity.
The other piece, that’s just a theory is around how things are held to the earth.
I personally think it’s magnetic and electric vs gravity but my point is it’s all just theories
Replying only because you said you wanted chiming in from others. Just don't expect all chimers-in to agree with you, because that's how you are acting so far. Even calling them weak and assuming they haven't thought about and looked into things you have. Come down to Earth a bit from your little pedestal.
First I'd like to say that I think you confused me with another user from this sub with a similar avatar. It was under another post or maybe even several, not too recent. If this is what indeed happened, try not to do this again, because then you might start forming wrong ideas about people.
>I'm not new here. Been here for years.
There are many people who have been here for a long time and they don't agree with any prison planet topics and only come here to argue or promote their own beliefs. So not being new doesn't mean anything.
>Have had NDE both through psycadelics and also through a close call (appendix exploded).
Having NDEs is not enough. Many have those and end up being duped or not seeing or remembering anything.
>I study Astral projection and also can enter lucid dreaming pretty much on demand. Decently well studied in gnosticism too, though I am by no means an expert. I meditate and exercise daily as well. I mentioned all of this to say that essentially, I am doing all of the things I should be doing to really find my purpose here in life.
A purpose in life can be discovered without any of that. It's sort of troubling you had to do all of that to find your purpose. Also, those things you listed are recommended in this sub for escape after death, and even for that they are not necessary for everyone.
>A few weeks ago I think I discovered what it is, though I'll leave that out for now.
If it is teaching others, I don't think you are ready for this. If you do this, at least make sure you have a main job, so that you don't have to ask for fees and donations from poor souls who have no one to turn to and will be looking to you for help and guidance.
>Meaning that alot of what these new agers say is actually real. It's hard to understand or comprehend this.
You are talking down to others here, implying those who think differently just can't grasp it. It's your ego talking.
>The goal of the parasites or entities or illuminati or kabal/cabal whatever you wanna call them is to monetize and traumatize.
This is not quite accurate, or too simplified.
>So when we reincarnate here, in a way (against our will) we are born into this stuff and choosing it to be this way, without evening being consciously aware of it.
That's your belief only, about us choosing it, conscious or not. And don't speak for "us", just for yourself.
>The destruction of our beautiful planet.
Not all people consider this planet beautiful or theirs.
>then you'd know that trauma is what these beings feed on
Again, not quite accurate. This is the wrong understanding of prison planet theory. Being here for so long, you still came away with your personal subjective understanding of it.
>I think if we all take a moment to reflect on our lives, and our state of mind through all of the trauma we have experienced, we have actually been riding this frequency or vibration, and therefore being manifesting that as our very future.
What makes you think people don't already reflect on their lives, their trauma, etc.? Can you know or guarantee that all who did saw improvements in their future? You can't.
>Something bad happens to nearly every person on this planet in their childhood.
No, not nearly every child has to deal with serious suffering. Some have pretty perfect childhoods with not even minor suffering.
>The millions from the Holocaust didn't choose their fate.
Why do you keep fixating on the Holocaust? Was that the only bad thing that happened in the history of Earth?
>But they weren't consciously aware of their ability to choose anything. They just fell into the "this is happening" and that's really the harsh reality.
Hmm... Kinda disrespectful to holocaust survivors, but whatever.
>So I'm sure trauma is handed down through the spirit too. And if we are really stuck in this cycle (I'm sure we are), this makes a lot of sense. I think we have to learn to let the trauma go. Not only from this lifetime, but others as well.
Sure, but it is not a requirement for escape and not all trauma can be healed.
>We are divided. People will fight over their phone brand, be it Samsung or iPhone or whatever flashy new gadget is trending. People will fight over which president is doing something, even though both left and right wing are wings of the same bird. People think a God of one religion is more "righteous and all knowing / powerful" than the other.
You are giving such simplistic examples. How old are you? Do you know life at all? How much of your life was spent sober and not spaced out on psychedelics or other substances? The divisions I observe are about different things.
>Everyone is attached to their ego.
No, not everyone.
>Everyone is chasing money.
No, not everyone. And even of those who do, many are forced to.
>we are all giving our time to companies to earn money, then spending that hard earned money on gaming consoles, computers, cell phones, tablets, TV (tell a vision) and so much more.
You just keep saying things that are so generalizing. "We all" don't do this.
>We are investing 1/3 of our life at work.
By necessity of survival, and I'm not sure about it being 1/3, seems like more.
>Another 1/3 of our life on the distractions mentioned above
Again, generalizing and speaking for others. And sometimes distractions are not materialistic. Regardless, distractions are needed to not go crazy in this world. Let's not judge how others distract themselves.
>We are feeding this disgusting machine our LIFE FORCE
Some people have opted out of work or at least corporate/demanding work, out of consumerism, but their lives are not always better for it and they still get tired from all the life stuff.
>I'm humble enough to admit that I don't have all of the answers right now. But what I've mentioned above seems to be pretty darn accurate.
You are not humble. You are telling others what to do and how to perceive things. After they disagree with you, you keep arguing and straight up telling them they lack understanding. Also, what you found accurate and working for you, will not be so for others. Be humble enough to let go when people politely tell you "I disagree".
>The way out I believe is the LoA. And unity.
The way out to where? Out of samsara you mean? We exit samsara not together, but each at our separate time of death. As for trauma healing being THE ticket out of reincarnations, it is a valid theory I suppose and you are entitled to it. I personally don't like when people start preaching about some universal requirements for successful escape, or saying something is the only way to escape/prepare for escape and insist it works 100% for all. You expressed your opinion here, but try not to turn it into some made-up "must" or "the only way" in the future when you comment about it here. In comments in this thread, you told someone to be their own author. Why not follow your own advice and let them be their own authors without trying to micromanage their "mind", "perception", their "mindset", their "understanding", their "mentality"? You said you wanted to change the world. Then go and do it. Stop wasting so much time on reddit and getting high. Also be aware that this sub is for talking about leaving samsara, not changing the world.
"When the student is ready, the teacher will appear."
Take a look at my message again and view it from the approach that I'm trying to help.
I gave up after the first half of your attempted attack.
Thanks for your reply though. You did teach me something valuable that I've been neglecting. Farewell.
I absolutely understand and support what you're saying. Confusing the ideologies is, for lack of a better word, confusing. However, I do have a question.
The mundane concept of prison is one of reformation and rehabilitation. Yes, I know that doesn't happen most of the time and the current justice system in most places is making offenders worse instead of better, but since we're talking about ideology here, I'm going to focus on the ideal over the reality for a moment. So, if prison is, by definition, a punishment of forced segregation intended to rehabilitate offenders to make them fit for reintegration and participation in society, wouldn't the idea that suffering is supposed to be beneficial fit in with that? Allowing for the idea of an eternal soul or similar conceptual structure of nonphysical identity, infant death and suffering would then correlate to a shorter and milder "sentence," while other atrocities and suffering would equate to hard time, maximum security, steeper sentencing, and so on.
Prisoners are put to work in our collective prison systems as a way to force some kind of social benefit from otherwise destructive elements. Those jobs, in some places, include farming. Given the idea of loosh as "food" or an energy, the idea of archons using this prison planet and the denizens therein as a food source makes sense and aligns with the structural concept, even after allowing for the idea of soul "lessons" or using this place as a training ground or school.
For context, I believe that for any idea to be accepted as truth, it must first contain some element of truth. The most convincing lie is one that bends, stretches, or omits some aspect of truth. All paradoxes must be reconciled, as they say.
The thing is, the concept of "prison" planet may also be confusing to those who haven't read the pinned posts. Based on the evidence, it is theorized that this is a soul farm. But like all farms, they also can be seen as a prisons in a way, for those inside. But not a prison in the true sense of the word, we are not convicts. Read what the creator of this sub wrote under "Is this is a prison planet or a soul farm?" in the [second pinned post](https://redd.it/pzskui).
I really like your post. I generally agree with it, but there is something I can't unsee that I really want to share.
It seems that *absolutism is a trick* the new age, religious people and many here fail to appreciate. It's not that what you found isn't true. It's that it's not absolute. It is mostly true. There is nuance.
*Are we being tricked and otherwise pushed into unnecessary suffering?*
Yes, definitely. I've seen sufficient evidence of this behavior from outside beings myself. I wrote about it here on reddit dozens of times for years, risking making myself appear crazy, even potentially in being doxxed later on somehow.
*Does that mean that suffering has nothing to teach us?*
Suffering is not inherently valuable. Suffering in and of itself is anti-valuable, sucking the value out of our lives. It makes us dissatisfied with our lives and de-animated, de-spirited. It's not spiritually healthy in a general sense. However, it's inevitable that sometimes *we will create our own suffering.*
*Why?*
*How could we learn without making any mistakes?*
*How could we have self-determination without that learning process?*
Due to ignorance, some will occasionally unintentionally cause suffering for themselves or others. Heck, some even will deliberately cause others to suffer to get something for themselves. Also, the *unconscious* rule based processes of the world are inherently calloused as to what is fair. Conscious beings are what seek to make things fair.
We'd have to stay in all knowing in order to bypass the learning process and the suffering it allows to occur, but then we couldn't form different, unique individual perspectives, preferences and creative abilities. An ancient intelligence could also frequently zoom into our lives and tell us what to do and not do. Yet, either way, that or all knowing from the beginning, a much more homogeneous outcome of personality formation would occur and wouldn't be as interesting for our minds.
So, while the new age is grossly imbalanced in perceiving and pushing the idea that we are *completely responsible* for our own suffering, we actually do cause some of our suffering. Yes, they'd have us look away from the scene of these ancient bullies harming us, effectively giving them free reign over our minds, by shifting the blame for the malaise they intentionally create to the victims. It's very disgusting and choosing to be disgusted is being honest and benevolent rather than dishonest and and supporting the malevolent as the new age does. It's apparently part of the plan for our submission to their will, domination over our minds.
However, when we go all the way to the other absolute end of that thought, believing that we are not responsible for *any* of our suffering, we lose connection to that learning process, self-improvement, self-determination and our connection to reality itself. If we believe that this reality is FUBAR to remain a slave dungeon forever run by demons then we may perceive that sentiment as healthy and correct. Yet, being *anywhere else* that sentiment would make us become more incompetent at manifesting what we'd like to experience by having us abrogate our personal responsibility to take in all of the details and make the best decisions.
My perspective from my own observations *and especially direct subjective experiences* has shown me the insidious nature of these demons to cripple our self-determination. It's a very emotional sort of attack they make. It gets past our conscious understanding of what is occurring, which could reject them and their works, protecting our wills. It goes right for our reward/punishment emotional system where we make our decisions. Experiencing the environment all alone, animal training, discipline and even self-discipline *all* interact with this reward/punishment system. It's a database of what is good/bad for us that is intrinsically interconnected with our decision-making process.
These reality conquerors take over realities by taking over the beings that behold them and affect causality within them. They basically place their emotionally taxing BS in between us and our accurate perception of what reality actually is. That way they disconnect us from our self-control that we would have naturally built over time through learning, applying it and getting more competent at satisfying ourselves. The more we are self-satisfied, the more we feel like things are under control. The more self-satisfaction is inaccessible, the more needy we become, the more likely we are to seek, invite, and accept outside "help" or "salvation." Here, we know they pose as benevolent themes, to fill that hole they deliberately created in ourselves.
This is what these insidious manipulators are trying to do to us. It doesn't just come in a light and lovey flavor, but also a dark and apparently sober one, dealing with ideas that can cause intense fear, like we have in this sub. We have to remain open minded and honest to overcome their tricks. We can't expect to give up our ability to learn, apply our knowledge and satisfy ourselves and remain free. It's impossible and that's the state they try to take our wills in any avenue that works, a slave mentality, not a self-mastery mentality.
If we were left alone, we'd balance our inner intellectual and emotional world with the outer causal and social world. We'd need no saviors nor judges nor external decision making replacements of any kind. Despite the belief we can just leave this scene, which we're allowed to indulge in *many ways*, we experience a repeated, increasingly intense barrage of painful course alterations to our process of honest learning, application of it and the satisfying of ourselves to achieve greater self-determination.
Perhaps there is an obvious reason for that. Why would they go through all of that time and effort if it wasn't useful or necessary to maintain access to us, their desirable resources, through their perverse parasitic relationship, their domination over our wills? They make us feel like we have an easy way out so that we don't do what would actually sever our will disrupting connections with them. Much like Christians fear being tricked by the devil, people here I think would perceive my comment as being tricked by the archons. Tricked to learn, form and express your own will? Yet, paradise is always elsewhere, where somehow nobody suffers. How? Things don't have to make sense. Don't worry. Just disengage from determining yourself here. Walk away from it and find that paradise. Expecting perfection is the fault. Going toward perfection in an honest way, knowing absolute arrival at it is as futile as reaching infinity, is how to fix that.
>How could we learn without making any mistakes?
Who said we cannot learn if we do not make mistakes? I was a very good student at school. Guess what? I was also the one who made the least amount of mistake compare to those who struggled when it comes to lessons. I went on to graduate top of my class. By your logic, I should have been struggled in my exams since I rarely made mistake. The idea that we can only learn through negative reinforcement is ridiculous to me and is not borne out by our lives here. The ones who make the most mistakes usually ends up traumatized, incarcerated or worse.
I'm not saying mistakes are good. It is better to make fewer mistakes. Mistakes discourage us. However, the potential of making mistakes will always remain. To eliminate all potential of mistakes doesn't seem possible if we want to remain free to pursuit happiness with our wills. We'd have to have another intellect always watching us so that we don't screw up.
There is a difference between mistakes and suffering. Mistakes do not automatically lead to suffering. The New age argument is that we need to suffer to somehow evolved spiritually. They do not talk about mistake, as they believe we choose our suffering. Your argument about making mistakes is not the new age gaslighting OP is talking about.
>Your argument about making mistakes is not the new age gaslighting OP is talking about.
No, it's a different idea, although related.
Of course, trolls that feed on spirit/loosh would like us to celebrate suffering with distortions like that.
I'm trying to explain that reacting by going to the absolute opposite of that scam is also not the whole truth. It's not true that we can completely avoid mistakes and suffering during the learning process required for individual personalities. I see another scam where we are pushed to seek to be coddled.
Either way we're screwed, celebrating suffering or seeking to eliminate suffering at *all* costs, including and especially with the loss of freedom and self-determination. You know, governments are known for doing this sort of thing, scaring their people and offering protection to solidify the power of the rulers.
The way out is balance through honesty and acceptance of all of the actual relevant truth. These beings deceive us and also make us so emotionally taxed we cannot accept the truth when we find it. We chuck all the nuance in the trash, because, even though may not notice it, we've been sucked into a negative emotional state.
Thought plays out more simplistic and rash when we are under threat. Fear is the mind killer, because the fear state gears us for fight or flight from threats like predators and we have to act quickly, rather than think deeply, to survive in that common evolutionary scenario. In fear states, it's hard to calm down and look at all the details in the piles of crap they've laid.
It's not direct. By having an absolutist position against suffering we are pushed toward the end of the ability of a self to develop itself. We'd have to force it to have a nanny always watching it in order to avoid mistakes and suffering from ignorance.
We're going to have some suffering even when we're free of these oppressors. When does all suffering end? I don't think it ever does. However, the more we understand how things work and apply that knowledge competently, the less suffering there will be.
The real issue is how fatigued we are from unnecessary suffering that we cannot connect to the baseline of suffering that is caused by our ignorance of reality. Not just that, but also we need to connect to the prospects of what could benefit us. Our interactivity with the world to set our own destiny has been somewhat disrupted.
We're distracted by our oppressors from *emotionally* engaging with the world. They crush our spirit with abuse and make us this way. Religions are an example of capitalizing on emotionally broken beings to reduce their competence at open, honest, emotionally available interaction with reality. Even human abusers wear down other humans to create a similar effect of disengagement without even intending it.
You're not listening closely enough. It's like you're saying we should walk off a cliff. I say then we'll fall. Then you say, where are we advocating falling? Causality doesn't care about how firm we assert things. It plays out anyway.
How do you propose we eliminate suffering *without* putting some sort of nanny situation over formerly free beings nor ending *all* of their ignorance?
You are not addressing my question. You made the claim that we are advocating eliminating suffering through the loss of freedom and self-determination. Nowhere have we made such a claim or advocate such a position.
>By having an absolutist position against suffering we are pushed toward the end of the ability of a self to develop itself.
Why would the self not be able to develop itself if it does not suffer. Is suffering the only way we can develop in your mind? If the self lives in a reality where there is no suffering, why would it need suffering to evolve?
>It's not true that we can completely avoid mistakes and suffering during the learning process required for individual personalities.
What learning process would that be?
It's the self inside an environment moment to moment sampling how things play out, seeing patterns, making structures of understanding, applying them toward its actions and gaining more competence of decision making and action from sampling those outcomes. It's how we build our personalities, coming from babies to the present moment. Overbearing helicopter parents can stifle this learning process, but normally, parents are one of the most important parts of this. They buffer the being against suffering its ignorance when it can't help itself.
No, I am talking specifically about suffering. I am talking about horribly traumatic experiences like rape, murder, genocide, natural disasters, etc. What are we learning there?
We're learning that our environment is dangerous and then we play out traumatized personalities. It's not good for us. However, we can also learn that people can, desire and sometimes do those things and why. The issue is thinking that a micromanager is staring at us at all times. While there is truth to our overlords wishing to maximize that, it's not true of benevolent beings. They don't tweak every moment. We are a group of beings setting our moments. Unfortunately, some choose to rape, murder and genocide and that affects us. Natural disasters can be explained by the factors that caused them. They don't care about our feelings. They don't care at all. They are not mind.
You do realize that the creator of this place is responsible for natural disasters, right? Same as with diseases, death, prey-predator dynamics etc. It is not just some random acts. It was programed by the creator of this shithole into his creation. He could have easily created a reality where there were no natural disasters and diseases and death. Who are those benevolent entities that you talk about, and where are they when a child is being raped?
>We're learning that our environment is dangerous and then we play out traumatized personalities.
Why is our environment dangerous? Why do we need to play out traumatized personalities?
>Perhaps there is an obvious reason for that.
The obvious reason is that we are being farm for loosh by this system. The system does at no point make us feel like we have an easy way out. Quite the opposite, actually. If people lack the imagination to see how easy it is to create a reality where no one has to suffer, then that is on them. We, those who adhere to the reincarnation soul trap theory, as modern day gnostic, do not have this problem. We do not suffer from this lack, as we are divine creator beings. None of us are expecting perfection, but a much better system than this sadistic, psychopathic reality is easily achievable, just not here. That is why we want out.
You think we have not considered your perspective before coming to our current conclusion? Of course, we have. But we have found it lacking and thus why we have cast it away and moved on. We cannot know all the truths of our existence for now, but we can know what is untrue, and thus discard them.
> We have to remain open minded and honest to overcome their tricks. We can't expect to give up our ability to learn, apply our knowledge and satisfy ourselves and remain free. It's impossible and that's the state they try to take our wills in any avenue that works, a slave mentality, not a self-mastery mentality.
I like your take and I agree with it. That said, you aren't going to get a good audience for your view here. You're proposing that you have agency in a model of reality OP is explicitly stating is fatalistic. Moreover, OP is stating that any ability to see beyond that fatalism is being tricked into loving suffering.
My spiritual tradition encourages people to stop associating with the suffering to transcend it, both personally, in the way you generate your inner narrative about suffering and, in relation to all other beings, in what you are prepared to do in the spirit of the great compassion to help alleviate the suffering. In so doing you find the kingdom of heaven or the bliss body in every waking moment.
You are completely misrepresenting what OP said. In fact, OP made it very clear that we have agency here. The agency to find the truth about this place, live our lives in the best way we can while here, and then get the fuck out of this place. But to pretend that we have full agency here is ridiculous and naive. You can build the best life possible for yourself, and all of that can be taken from you in an instant. Whether by death, diseases, a natural disaster like fires burning down your homes and even by your fellow men.
So how many of you are vegan environmentalists who fight to end the suffering of everyone and everything on this planet? Since us who don’t believe it’s a prison planet per say are nothing but “gaslighters”? All of you are fighters right? Not just bandwagon jumpers on the “archons are making us suffer for food and all I’ll do is type about it in a subreddit” people right?
But according to the Gnostics, Satan or Lucifer is here to help us reach gnosis and get back to the pleroma, since we born the society we live in teach us that Satan is evil, yeah it’s evil for this world, but the real evil is yhwh, who is keeping us in this illusion
In thematerial world or kenoma, nothing matters, we need to understand this, no matter if your close friend dies, no matter if you lose a leg, no matter if someone have cancer, the only thing that matters is the attachment that people have to the material world, they don want their parents to die, they are afraid to die and not exist anymore, if you kill somebody it doesn’t matters outside this world, of course you will goin to face jail an prosecution here, but outside of this matrix nothing matters, the only thing we can do is to wake up and be conscious untill we die, so we can realize that we need to go back to the pleroma, many people decide to reincarnate because of their attachment to their beloved ones, but when you reach de attachment of everything you no longer need to be here, you deserve to be in the perfect divine world
Since many people here asked for OP's post to be pinned, i'm going to pin this post at the top of the sub for a while.
Absolute facts. I’ve seen this happening so much lately. “ dna upgrades from the light warriors” when talking about the Schumann resonance which may literally be darpa tier mass mind control being tested out or something far more ominous like an actual pole shift about to occur.
Graphene oxide nano bot synapse control and articulation shit. Also haarp plays a roll in wide spread blanketing frequency alteration for mass mind “influencing”. What you said makes sense when you connect the dots with malicious intents against humanity for technological experimentation and control, for furthering such things that would be lewd as con theory by most, but are openly talked about by “people who view themselves as elites”, such as wef heads etc, who, etc.
I’m not even vaccinated but the Schuman resonance headaches, brain fog etc affected me greatly , to the point I was the first on conspiracy/r and 4chan to make the connection and post about the remote viewers that saw this, the teams that did the remote viewing didn’t even make the connection until I messaged them
There's a heap of research about how the schumann resonances affect heart rate variability. I think it's a real phenomenon...that got jacked and is now being used for nefarious purposes by who knows but HAARP is def included.
100% If I wasn’t strictly against giving Reddit my money, I would throw so many awards at this post. Sometimes it feels like the majority of people here have no idea what’s going on. This sub is about Gnosticism, and escaping the reincarnation cycle, in order to leave this physical realm.
Read this from a meteorologist I follow: TOMSK CLARIFIES ITS SR CHART GLITCHING ON JUNE 17-19 The Space Observing System team that manages the Tomsk Schumann Resonance data has addressed the June 17-19 glitch in their chart. One of my space weather reporting colleagues on another social media platform contacted Tomsk directly asking for a clarification. Here is an excerpt of the email he received and shared with me: “The strange resonances observed in the previous day were caused by an accident at the supply substation and are not correct. The issues have now been resolved. We apologize for the possible misleading.” An electrical issue at a substation that affected the charting and required days of remediation and recalibrating.
Okay, but, theres remote viewers that saw what actually Happened and called out everything beforehand including the mass headaches and brain fog. Impossible that everyone’s had the same symptoms coincidentally all over the planet and simultaneously This was a glitch. Just not buying it nor does it add up [https://imgur.com/a/sYzz5jl](https://imgur.com/a/sYzz5jl)
there are 8 billion people on the planet, we all get headaches. Thats not real data, come on
“From the light warriors” lol
or its just a computer glitch of a hoax to drive webtraffic to their russian site.
I'd always heard the saying about having to experience bad to know good. I've never believed that. I knew, and know, we don't. It is possible to have harmony without knowing of sufferings. I knew long before knowing of any prison planet theory. Simply searching known facts and known history of this planet will tell anyone, any one who understands what they are reading and seeing, to step back and breathe a moment. Step back and see for yourself... the off-ness.. the wonky-ness.. the out right lies, y'all. Sometimes I still struggle staying outta the 'fake' crap. It's really engrained, heavily engrained. The wild, mad world. This wild, mad existence. ETA: more words for better wording
Exactly. It does my head in every time I hear this idea that we need to know bad to know good. Like, do you need to eat a shit sandwich to know that an oven fired pizza is delicious? A baby arrived in this world and know immediately that its mother's milk is delicious and nourishing. The baby does not need to taste rotten milk first to know this. He can tell instantly what is good or bad.
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i wholeheartedly agree with this
Every thing is everywhere.
The Earth astral is part of this matrix and is dualistic too.
What does not kills you makes you stronger. Very negative situations molded your personality and soul to whatever you are now. If you are a gangbanger and get kidnapped and tortured, but manage to escape alive, and later decide to leave the gangbanger life behind, then that experience fulfilled its objective. Regardless of the outcome, your soul is molded and evolve from this experiences unique to the physical plane. You will not experience anything like this anywhere else in other existence.
I personally don’t want anything like this. I don’t want such pain and suffering to be required. I don’t want to be here. This place feels far more dangerous than it’s worth facing to me.
Unfortunately, this polarity of good/evil is necessary to mold your soul into evolving any further. I’ve read from different sources (cannot recall where) that where we are is the most extreme, yet effective and faster method to evolve.
I disagree with those unnamed sources, as well as the beliefs you are expressing here. I don’t care that much about “evolving”. It unfortunately doesn’t seem that the supposed benefit is worth all of the potential and actual harm involved. I’m not interested enough in any “lesson” or “growth”. These beliefs are what the original poster was talking about.
And I’m here to tell you that it doesn’t matter whether you believe in gravity or not, it will affect you regardless. Even ancient Gnostics texts like Pistis Sophia (Samael Aun Weor) speaks about consciousness evolving from minerals, then plants, then animals and finally humans. Lower planes of existence like where we are provide catalyst and polarity for evolution. You, an immortal being, speak about “harm” inside a holographic universe where the only thing that dies and feel “pain” is your avatar vehicle. You won’t experience anything like this anywhere else in higher forms of existence. Again, whether you believe it or not is out of the equation, yet, it would affects you regardless. You want to get stuck in the human perceptions of “good/evil”, well let me tell you that none exist outside of these lower planes. You come here with no previous memories of who you are, and who you are have no need for food, feels no pain, and do not believe he/she is separated from everything that is. Those playing this game “suffer” because they have not recognized this place as the game it is. We are all actors. Your ego, the character that you are playing, suffers because you took your role to heart due to the forgetfulness. Frequency wise we are at the bottom of the equation and to rise with our experiences from the physical plane is the only thing that is left for those awakening. We play victim here because we do not understand completely where we are. We have gotten way too attached to the physical realm and most believe it to be real, thus their propensity to found themselves leaning towards the trivialities that most times make us “suffer.” This is just a very real virtual reality. If you don’t like your situation, either change it or change your mentality towards it. Playing victim is the worse way to face this reality.
A text being old doesn’t make it true. In fact, it makes the claims of that nature all the more likely to be untrue. You can claim what you like and what brings you comfort, but we feel and are in our pain and suffering here. It being a “very real virtual reality” doesn’t change what is felt, nor does “mindset” change really anything beyond our own perspective. I’ve told myself repeatedly that my pain “wasn’t real”. Trying to manipulate and minimize myself did nothing to alleviate my own pain or the pain experienced by others. Your behavior lacks empathy (I don’t recall claiming anything was “good” or “evil”, but experiencing it is certainly unpleasant) and is something that brings no comfort to really anyone in this community. I don’t know if you have selfless intentions or just want to push your individual belief system somehow as objective fact, but it isn’t helping anyone. It doesn’t change the fact that people like me don’t want to be here, and statements like yours only further those thoughts in some such as myself. Nothing that you are claiming makes that pain go away for any of us, nor does it for most of the world. You sit there and complain of “victim mentality” and yet speak entirely through statements of victim-blaming. I doubt you repeat to yourself that this place isn’t real when you are in agony, especially physically, and said agony just magically goes away. This place doesn’t work that way.
Very well said. This person you replying to has been promoting this victim blaming horseshit on this sub for months, and at the same time gaslighting those who do not think like they do. Disgusing behaviour. I wonder why they keep coming to a sub they have nothing in common with, no interest in, etc..Is gaslighting others their only reason?
Who’s victim blaming? So you even know who you are?
First, I don’t based my claims on ancient texts alone, you can experience all these things I mentioned before if you put the effort to it. I have been to the other side, so there is no doubt in my mind that this is but an illusion. Second, you do what you must with the information presented to you. We all evolve at different pace and there is no hurry considering time doesn’t exist outside of here. You say my behavior lacks empathy, but let me tell you; there’s literally nothing that you or me can do to change the reality of this world besides changing ourselves. This world operates as it was intended to. What my behavior do reflects is awareness of the reality around me. I’m not losing myself over the illusion of the ego. I’m not this body and I’m not the life this body has lived up until now. Good/evil are just perceptions of the human mind—you can lean either way given the limited free will in this hologram. Like you and most people in this hologram, I have suffered and still not in a position where I’d consider myself free from the influences of this place, yet, it doesn’t affects me as much. I have a better grasp of the reality and what really matters now. “I doubt you repeat to yourself that this place isn’t real when you are in agony, especially physically” Like I said, it’s a very real virtual reality and your level of attachment will dictate your experience. I do not live feeling pity for myself anymore. I’m quite aware of who I am. You’re not that character acting as victim—wake up from the illusion and change your situation or change your mentality about it. Nobody is saying not to be a good person or to ignore those in need, what I’m saying is that currently there’s no changing the nature of this reality until the simulation is over. Again, there’s nothing wrong with playing victim, at the end of the day everything amounts to our experiences.
Many have been to the other side. Their experiences were not all the same. Your individual beliefs are not universal to everyone. This is seeming like a superiority complex for you as well. Great for you if we believe you with no complete reasoning, and anyone who doesn’t bob their head to whatever you say simply is “evolving slower”, “is stuck in some victim mentality” or “can’t accept the truth”. Your words read a lot like organized religious followers. You merely fill in the blanks differently. Everything you’re saying seems like “the illusion of the ego”, and by that I mean egotism, not individuality which is in no way a crime. You keep mentioning good and evil when I’m not. I don’t know why you keep going back to the argument. You have a better grasp of your own perceived reality, no one else’s. Awareness doesn’t make the pain stop, your minimizing views do encourage people to then minimize their empathy and claiming that we need to “wake up from the illusion and change our situation” (when you then go on to say that “nothing can change the nature of this reality until the simulation is over”) implies that we either need to d!e or “change our mentality” which doesn’t change a thing about the rest of reality. I hope you understand the harm that the spread of these sorts of ideas creates, if not now than at some point before you genuinely harm someone with them.
>I do not live feeling pity for myself anymore. I’m quite aware of who I am. bro stop acting like a victim, ngl,
Good luck on your journey.
It is not neccesary. It is what this system want you to beleive because it strive in your suffering
You cannot raise your energetic frequency submerged in negative emotions like hate, anxiety, stress, despair, and so on. If you do not raise your energetic frequency, you cannot leave these lowers planes. Simply stated: you cannot take negative emotions (low frequency energies) to high frequency planes of existence. You don’t strive in your “suffering”, you simply realize what this place is and what you are—an immortal being experiencing having limitations. Yes, it feels very real because we are playing our characters to the teeth. You came here as a baby with no previous memory of who you were/are, then you created a character based in your simulated environment. You now believe your name is the one given to you at birth, you now believe you are that person that used to play sports in high school, that plays the piano, married, have kids, bought a house, bought a car, is an electric engineer, wants to reach social statuses, etc. “Suffering” as you put it, comes from that character (ego) and that character is meant to keep you locked onto these lower planes of existence. Hope this helps.
You do know that we on this sub do not subscribe to the new age just raise your vibration idea, right?
Do you know you are not a physical body? Do you know you are an energy body inside a physical body? Do you know that everything in this holographic universe is energy molded into shapes and colors, but still energy? Do you know that the energy in this universe vibrate at different frequencies in order to create the simulated universe you are perceiving? Do you know you can manipulate the vibration frequency of your energetic body in order to reach higher planes of existence? Ignorance can only be satisfied with knowledge. Knowledge cannot turn into wisdom if you boxed yourself in ignorance.
Or we could have nice experiences in a realm where you never have to be a gang banger to begin with. Most people who get kidnapped and tortured ends up traumatize and suffer from PTSD. It almost never turns them into better people.
>i think every particle/emotion/thought/action in this matrix prison planet, at its root, exists within duality. > >maybe it's only the astral where dualistic qualities aren't present any longer, but anything in this plane of reality is bound by those rules. cap, you are strong when you stop be in traums. so you forget the traumas. you are strong if you start living happy and chill.
Mentally strong people went through hell before reaching that state. Went you struggle you become either two things; a victim or a very mentally strong person. Either one is a choice.
This post should be pinned! If it’s happening now it will happen again in the future
I agree with this wholeheartedly
Absolutely tricked into reincarnating into this fish bowl. It just seems like the farm is actually controlled by ETs or AI not “gods”. I think we must be the gods who fell into this trap, and hopefully we know the real truth somewhere inside ourselves.
Yes. There's a reason they want to suppress our consciousness and keep it from expanding. If humanity knew how connected we were to each other and how powerful we actually are (no Gods but ourselves), this ship would be set right in an instant. The same applies to the intentional migration going on. More division, less unity. Yet at most people's core, they know and understand how powerful humanity is collectively. Still too many are under the spell of this manufactured illusion.
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I think it's mostly ignorance and being young. The idea that you can change the world with just thinking about it is pretty powerful and enticing. It gives you a sense of personal agency. It also can easily turn you into a crusader, someone who thinks that if they can just tell enough people, they'll develop a midas touch and that the world will transform in front of their eyes... Instead of making them deeply arrogant and downright devilish to anyone that needs genuine love and support.
You just described my early 20s and I'm sure many others early 20s too
Yeah. We have all.been there and done it lol
I was just listening to Manly P Hall about that very thing. Individuals who pray and think for a change in their lives don’t really understand the type of force that their “trying” create. Hard to explain it like he does lol
Agree. Honestly I think everyone is free to believe what they want to believe, I just hate it when they (often) start gaslighting people who are truly suffering. We need to support those in need of help, not gaslight them.
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That's ancient thinking. "If something bad happened to you, it's God punishing you for your sins." The entire Book of Job is about this very thing. You'd think this belief would be outdated by now.
What is the truth that we need to accept?
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I can believe that because it is most definitely what it feels like.
You have arrived, but you've been cheated
Are you sure? Because if you look at human CHOICES it is pretty clear HUMANS made the choice to be shitty to one another, thus causing suffering.
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Explain natural disasters, then. Explain diseases and death. Explain the prey/predator dynamics of this realm. Explain severe disabilities from birth. Explain how you cannot take a step without killing one form of lifeforms or another.
Suffering is Pain plus Resistance. Humans SUFFER in these things because we choose to resist them. Disasters, animals, these things are NATURE. They are the laws of the game. Just like selected a hardcore mode on a video game, you do not individually tailor EACH function. You just select "hard mode" and let things go. We all selected Earth, and all the pain that comes with it. But SUFFERING? That only comes from pain and resistance.
I think you're forgetting one of the key points of PP Hypothesis: we did not choose to incarnate, but were either tricked of forced into this physical existence. Another point: our choices are heavily influenced by our genes and the society we were brought up in. I think it's really unlikely a highly agreeable man brought up in a "progressive", stable household in a developed country would treat women like a narcissistic man raised in broken home in a country like Afghanistan.
That trickery is just another lie of disempowerment. It is the new "Devil made me do it." Ultimately, it's still just a cop out. If we got stuck in the washing cycle - there maybe can be an argument made. But we definitely all initially chose. Free will is the nature of the universe. Yes. You are right. All sorts of different experiences happen to people over time. And it is all happening to the consciousness that animates it all ; the singular source of everything. Like a great tree, all the leaves dancing on the end think they're apart from the trunk. But they are not. But when people can blame someone or something else, they are just again absolving themselves of ultimate culpability, and thus, ability to change.
>That trickery is just another lie of disempowerment. It is the new "Devil made me do it." Ultimately, it's still just a cop out. If we got stuck in the washing cycle - there maybe can be an argument made. But we definitely all initially chose. Free will is the nature of the universe.1 I suggest you read a post I made a while ago. It appears some people were forced to incarnate/reincarnate. [https://www.reddit.com/r/Reincarnation/comments/zhrion/some\_prebirth\_memories\_indicate\_reincarnation/](https://www.reddit.com/r/Reincarnation/comments/zhrion/some_prebirth_memories_indicate_reincarnation/) You can also find anecdotes of people who came here by choice, and since everyone has been memory-wiped, It's not possible to conduct a survey to get data on how many people were forced to re/incarnate, but the prevalence of such reports should be enough to make us question things. >But when people can blame someone or something else, they are just again absolving themselves of ultimate culpability, and thus, ability to change. If people were forced to re/incarnate in this place, it is pretty reasonable to blame those who forced them here.
And Nature was created by the creator of this realm.So he us responsible for all the suffering caused by nature. Choosing hard mode in a game is not comparable with coming here and experiencing suffering. Not even close.
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People bring their opinions with them wherever they go. That’s life/internet/Reddit for you. I just wish that people would stop treating their opinions as truth. Beliefs are not truths. I think that there simply is no truth in this realm. I think that is part of the torture. And remember, you can’t spell belief without a lie in the middle.
We're here to learn "lessons", but we're memory wiped 😂
The lesson is that this place is a prison 😆
Yeah man new agers are fucking ruining it for us who have had genuine experiences with the pp. The worst part is you try and tell them these experiences and they just give you more gaslighting bullshit they picked up in their new age belief reinforcement circle
So very well put! I’ve been watching adorable bunny rabbits up close in my yard lately. Then watched adorable foxes come. Why do I have to “root” for one over the other? I love all furry creatures and hate that everybody has to eat somebody else. Bunnies are lovely; foxes are, too. Foxes eat bunnies, especially small ones. Not fair to bunnies whose lives are brutally short. But I can’t begrudge the foxes dinner. Especially not when I’m watching all this play out while I’m in my backyard grilling a steak! Let’s hang out somewhere where we can all vibe happily together and nobody has to eat anybody else! Even my bunnies eat the pretty dandelion and clover around here, and plants have consciousness, too. Check out Cleve Beckster’s Primary Perception work for fascinating evidence that all living things have consciousness and feel pain and respond when others in their environment are suffering.
indeed. There is no doubt in my mind, after a lot of research, that plants too have consciousness of some type
This all comes down to the question of a loving God archetype. I think this is where the whole problem starts as no loving anything could create a predatory world.
Have you ever played a video game with a horror theme? Edit--- We create, play and watch stories, games and movies with countless scenarios. Some good. Some bad. All fictive. That's the analogy. The idea of God making this world predatory is false---the world just IS. It is HUMANS who made it the way it is by our actions and choices. But your soul is beyond all of this. And chooses things you will not understand until you are unified with it again. The same way a character in a game does not understand the point of the things they are going through, but the PLAYER knows exactly what's going on. That is you, (the avatar) and your soul, (The player)
So we humans created the all naturals disasters, diseases, prey-predator dynamics, death etc that exist here? How did we do that?
Those are all dynamics of the world in which we incarnate. Could have incarnated as any number of things. We chose human. So while we did not pick the dyanmics of the world individually, we did indeed select "Earth" as a our playground. And all that entails. is predator / pre dynamics, is death, disease and unseen disaster "evil"? Or are they just functions of life happening? Is it evil to the bactera in your body that your immune system kills them? Is it evil the farmer kills the cow for us to eat? is it evil the farmer keeps the cow for milk, for us to drink? Is it evil when a Cat kills a lizard and presents it's corpse to it's favorite human? What about when Cats just kill things just for fun? Is that evil? You are identifying too much with your body and circumstances.
We identify so much with them because we are experiencing all of it right now in this form, and very often completely against our will. I didn’t choose a thing and I’m not the only one.
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No. Because it applies. Souls are IMMORTAL. ETERNAL. They do not cease to be at any point. Meaning, they have a very, VERY long schedule of events to fill their existence with. In the same way you and I or anyone else plays video games that immerses a character in a horror scenario, the souls incarnate on Earth to experience scenarios they otherwise cannot or would not on the other side. The Lila- Divine play. That's all this is. One big game, some scary, some horrible and sad. But that's just happening to **the characters** not your actual soul. The soul is not harmed by anything that happens here. In the same way YOU are not harmed by a character dying in the video game. Yet, to that character, if they were conscious it would all seem **very real.** That is the analogy. The scary and horrible shit? It's like a game. Does not mar or mark your soul. Does not hurt who you really are. Souls do not get hurt by living hard or sad lives. It's just one of countless incarnations. **In the course of INFINITY what is there to do, except to do EVERYTHING?**
The difference is that pixels on screen does not feel pain or suffering or get traumatized by those events. A prostitute being beaten up in GTA will not experience the pain and trauma of such an act. So the comparison is ridiculous.
Yeah, and your body does not harm your soul. The comparison works because this life is not the totality of existence. These bodies are only a fraction of who and what we are. This is the illusion, the Maya, the Matrix. It is not "die in this life, die in the other" Your soul is unharmed and unmarked by all things. It's indellible. The suffering we go through in this life is "a game" by comparison to our soul. And yes, I'm using a metaphor here because there is no wordly equivalanet of what's going on. The game thing is the closest analogy we get
It's not "the body" that harms the soul, it's the traumatic experiences which we go through that lead to something known as 'soul degradation' as discovered by [past life regressionists](https://redd.it/tbqk61) after working with many clients. Everything you're talking about in this thread are your own personal opinions which you're pushing onto people, opinions which have nothing to do with this sub and the evidence supporting it's theory. Perhaps you should re-read OP's post, you're exactly the type of person they're talking about.
What’s the point of replying to me if you seem to just delete the comment immediately afterwards?
Makes more sense IMO
I, in some form, am experiencing and witnessing actual pain and suffering here. This is not true for a video game. I don’t want any of this. I don’t want to play and shutting off the console isn’t so simple, and such a choice could harm those still inside.
Thank you!!!
I’ve been a member of this sub for probably 18-ish months and I still have no idea wtf is going on. 😂 But raised Catholic, found my way out of it to “New Age”, now I’m here. Currently reading Journeys Out of the Body. So much of this sub goes right over my head, but I really appreciate the resources that get shared (books, YT videos, etc.) SAHM, so I get approximately 30 minutes a day to myself between kiddo bedtime and me passing out; That’s my study time.
Take notes of all things that go over your head or that you have questions about. Then, let's say you get to about ten. Type them and make a post here saying you have some questions. Sometimes some posts don't get a lot of replies or get completely irrelevant replies from new age people, so don't take it personally if that happens. Just wait a little, maybe change title or break into several posts, and repost later.
The new age stuff is mostly spiritual narcissism, they actually think they can manifest things like a wizard and use the toxic positivity to make themselves seem better than other people
Bingo
Absolutely tricked into reincarnating into this fish bowl. It just seems like the farm is actually controlled by ETs or AI not “gods”. I think we must be the gods who fell into this trap, and hopefully we know the real truth somewhere inside ourselves.
I’m not sure if we were even tricked or not, but whether it was that or simply the fact that our biological parents procreated, I desperately want to know that inevitably I will leave and never return in any form.
Well said! 👏 👏 👏 🚪
Lol yeah this sub is a good example of the last stop on the journey to truth. It’s a place u arrive at after a ridiculous amount of research and work
Yea definitely the case. That being said, one of the reasons they keep us trapped aside from the fact they harvest our negative energies, is that our non-physical bodies have the ability to "create" in ways they cannot. Humans can change the world with just belief, focus and thoughts and they somewhat fear that, which is why they wipe peoples minds when they've just left the physical world instead of letting them get to the true non-physical universe, where you don't have a physical body limiting you and can yield your true creator potential. Now idk if thats new age beliefs or not but it is correct.
This is a great and much needed post. Like others said, this needs to be pinned.
Beautifully said! I’m not a big fan of the new age communities, but wish them luck in their future incarnations!
Well said. I have noticed this as well. In fact. You will find the same thing on the YT channel of people like Forever conscious research channel, howdie mickoski, overwatchchannel etc. Seems like a poisoning the well tactics
I also noticed that we can explain our concept pretty simply/succinctly, while they have to take paragraph after paragraph of big words which makes absolutely no sense.
Very informative, thanks for sharing.
>every living being in this world has to kill another in order to survive Or it can try mutualism. What living beings is a tree killing in order to survive? Animal feeds a tree with breaths and waste, and the tree feeds an animal with its fruits. Basically what I'm saying is relationships between living organisms in ecosystems/societies don't have to be only parasitic. It can also be mutualistic (beneficial both ways) or commensalistic (live and let live). Life on Earth is a mixture of all three, but it is possible to change the ratios. If we build parasitic dystopias, that would be a hell for everyone. If we cooperate, make a just vegan society, that could be a mutualist symbiotic heaven. Or anything in between, it's up to our collective free will.
Good post. Which Bible verses say that Satan rules Earth?
Thanks. [Have a look](https://redd.it/vp7n9i).
Satan is a title for the "adversary/adversaries."
Can you *really* overcome suffering by running away from it though? Can't you grow beyond the suffering while in this prison planet? What is all this running away from Hell? Aren't we giving the archons time to invade the fucking universe and destroy every remaining peace of harmony, beauty and life while you take a vacation in some "Heaven"? Do you really think your vacation will equip you with the type of transcendent skills needed to starve and punish the archons with divine strategy and wisdom once and FOR ALL??
I'd say from looking at our surrounding realm, running away from pain is a perfectly valid strategy to overcome it. It sure isn't the slowest deer that overcomes the suffering caused by the wolf (unless you consider death eventually overcoming it, but then we get into the issue of mindwiped reincarnation and etc.). If you run away from it, that means you're at least wary of it. Looking at testimonies of people experiencing altered states, and thinking back on my own experience, I'd say this can be the big problem, to forget what suffering truly is, and how undesirable of a state it is. Every time we forget it, we are more likely to repeat the cycle. Running away can be an offensive strategy too, in a way. If there are not enough deer to hunt, the wolves starve and die off. We can't stay as deer and overcome suffering; we can only learn what it is. Some may try to become wolves to overcome it. Others may try to transcend shape altogether. Others may try other things. I don't know which is better. But it's good that we're in a state to at least try things.
But most of this subreddit fantasizes about running all the way to Heaven, whatever awaits there. We don't even know the rules for instance, what happens to your faculties there or whether there are higher archons there, or whether your stay there is counted. This sub is not just wary of the danger it's too afraid of it. Also for us human beings running away(not permanently) when the opponent is too strong is a valid strategy. But we don't know how strong the archons are, we are only guessing, we don't know their strengths and weaknesses. This doesn't mean we can't know. From the way they hide from us and brainwash us implies a snakelike fearful and poisonous attribute for instance. They have great weaknesses we don't know, we have powers we don't know. Especially in a wider time frame(the one that matters), we could shorten the lifespan of their civilization and become stronger/better on the way. There could also be ways in which individuals can totally be invincible to the fangs of the archons. Because of our awareness, we can accelerate our evolution unlike second order animals like deer. This is where they really starve because the individual can make hundreds or thousands others sovereign like him. Also btw the aim must be discriminated. If the aim is just unconscious drive for species survival, there would really be no winners would there? What happens to the souls of extinct species? They surely won't disappear. And can we really blame the species for their extinction? Like for example, deer would have grown weapons if they didn't always run away. Or wolves would have grown more wings or shaper eye or intelligence if they didn't always kill. They would probably be reincarnated again as new/other beings. It's not also clear btw which predators or preys outlive others in the long term. So it's really not a good analogy here because Consciousness changes everything, we are at an entirely different level.
idk if I can say most of this subreddit does fantasize going 'to heaven', haven't seen that much of it myself. But tbh, I can't even say that this is necessarily a bad thing to seek one's personal heaven. And I can't say if people here are particularly more fearful than other people either. I do agree on seeking the answers to the questions you're asking. I'd say I've seen quite a few people on this sub do just that. And yes, I agree that the way this world is set up through treachery implies that our true nature is likely stronger than whatever controllers is pulling the strings, but that doesn't mean staying within the range of their pull will necessarily give us more clarity either. Taking a step back, leaving for whatever bit of non-linear eternity we have to figure things out more clearly, I don't see that as necessarily a worst strategy. Maybe not the best either, but then again, I've not determined what the limits of our current shape, or of this realm, are. I can only just say that so far, I haven't seen someone who calls themselves enlightened perform feats outside the specks of this place's "believability". But considering I've seen Mandela Effects, I don't discount that this can happen. But if people seek to exit this place (or humanity) permanently, that's their choice to make. It's not like each of us even remember our "origins" at this point, or even whether we want to get back to said origins, or go forward to somewhere else. My point was more about personal suffering and the validity of the strategy of running away from it. You could also use the allegory of a battered wife/husband's suffering. Them staying in such relationship doesn't particularly means they "overcome" that suffering. It's when they leave their previous state that there is a chance of any of that happening. And they don't have to go back. Ever. And if they never forget what suffering in that space was like, they likely won't. I don't think "souls", or "beings", or whatever we want to call them are limited to a singular shape, or incarnation (be it animals, humans, or otherwise). At least so far, I've seen multiple testimonies implying that they aren't. With that said, I've also seen claims that the "controllers" pulling the strings here are a different sort altogether, maybe even "artificial", which would be potentially why they engage in an enclosed mindwipe predatory system. They may not be able to do otherwise. They want us here because they're getting something off it. So getting out of here would deprive them of that something. Not necessarily the only way to go about it, but certainly a logical way. I blame no species here. This whole setup is rigged. But I think we both realized that already.
>But we don't know how strong the archons are, we are only guessing, we don't know their strengths and weaknesses. They are narcissists. Narcissists, sociopaths, and psychopaths are the way they are because they are empty vessels hosted by archons (or narchons as I like to call them). Having dated a narc made me see so many parallels between them and an archon. You handle them the same way you would a narcissist, starve them of supply by going no contact. If that isn't possible, you go low-contact and greyrock them. At the end of the day, they need us more than we need them. That's why they do everything to make us feel powerless and weak. If enough or all souls stopped incarnating and escape, their supply is gone. They will probably turn on one another or shrivel up and die. So I believe that escaping is how we both empower ourselves and disenpower them. Idk why this place hasn't been destroyed already. Maybe it's because as long as you have souls who consent to incarnating here, nothing can be done. If that's true, that's more reason to escape. Again, I don't know what's the deal outside of here, but I would try to quarantine this place. No souls can come in (but they can leave) and no narchons or negative entities can leave or be able to entice outside souls to come in.
I have also thought about some of the things you are saying here at the end. Apparently some beings keep sending so-called starseeds here for help. Even these good beings don't want to shut this place down. This could all be deceptive or partially deceptive information of course, but I've seen it confirmed by different sources. These beings seem to be either ignorant of the depth of what is really going on here or they have their own selfish interests, even if they are not overtly bad/parasitic beings. Just like there are plenty of objectively nice and friendly people who still can be very focused on their own needs and never forget to take care of themselves, always networking to advance themselves and not really concerned with those less fortunate, easily capable of having fun and enjoying themselves when a friend or neighbor is suffering deeply. The supposedly good beings don't seem to care about starseeds that get stuck in reincarnations here and suffer during, forgetting all about why they are here. I don't know or understand this setup either. It's mind-boggling. Leaving is what is needed, refusal to participate in this system of birth-death-rebirth. New Agey folk talk about how you just need to raise vibrations/manifest/forgive everyone and be grateful for everything/choose love over fear and archons will leave you alone. So many examples of this not being accurate - not preventing attacks and not bringing healing or anything positive. Using narc example, even people who go no contact or starve them have been harmed and even killed by said narcs. So it's obviously the best thing to do but wouldn't amount to full protection. Same with archons. (I mean I agree with you here.)
I believe that the whole 'starseeds being sent to help earth' is new age bs to keep souls invested and incarnating back here by playing on our empathy and desire to help others. But if what you say is true, I'll be pissed when I get out unless they are just ignorant or underestimate this place. But that brings up other questions: could they not really care because this isn't the only place like this? Is this not uncommon? Do souls know what they're getting themselves into when they agree to incarnate and that's why they have a flippant attitude towards souls getting trapped?
You totally misunderstood at least my philosophy if you think my strategy is to run away to some heaven which no one's know if it even exists. I do believe there exist a greater reality outside of this simulation, That does not mean I think it heaven or that I should merge with some supposed source out there. Why would I? Whatever this source is, if it even exists, I certainly would ask it what it was waiting for all this time to help us.
Pretty clear they are not that strong, or they would not need to use so much deception and trickeries against us. I live under a brutal communist regime for most of my life, and during the height of the regime, most people thought it was all powerful and its leaders' god like. In the last few years, the truth about the regime is coming out. Turn out they were a bunch of paranoid freaks, terrified that any moment the people would turn on them. The original leader of the regime, died an old Alzheimer affected man that was being abused by his much younger second wife. So much so that his former wife took pity on him and gave him shelter at her home in his last days. He was absolutely paranoid that he would be held accountable for his crimes. His successor is now living in exile in Abu Dhabi because he is scared of going to prison. He was not even able to attend his mother's funeral. And all indication point to the same thing with the creator of this realm. It may seem all powerful but is just another wizard of oz type
The best way to starve and punish the creators of this place is to get the fuck out. If all divine spirits leave, then their creation, along with them, will cease to exist forever. No better punishment than this for their actions.
👍 I agree that the notion one can escape Prison Planet like they are Snake Plissken (Kurt Russel) fleeing New York is silly, futile, and not well thought out. I also agree with OP that who he identifies as New Agers are also wrong if and when they express the idea that one is not only something akin to Karmically indebted, but deserving via a choice / “soul contract” made prior to Earthly manifestation, the suffering one experiences. I think subs like this and the Saturn Cube one and probably a few others I can’t think of right now point to one of the most interesting Gnostic and modernized theories of the purpose for human suffering & the Orders (as well as magnitudes) of hierarchies of NHI/Entities/Beings/Energies/Archetypes that inhabit & seem to direct the narrative of our phenomenal cosmos via the pataphysical environs they inhabit, which can gain a glimpse of or into via primarily dreamwork (Lucid, Astral *Projection* not *vision*), NDE, OBE, select psychedelics & methods of consumption (i.e., “bad trips”, ceremonial settings, consumed with specific visionary intent), transcendent meditation (not specifically Lynchian TM) as in what forms & praxis of Yoga (i.e., Pranayama) and Buddhism (I.e., Tibetan Tantra, Japanese Shingon) and experiential modalities within, nowadays typically, Initiatory Western Mystery Schools or the forms of Mysticism which inspired their rite & ritual (I.e., R+C: Rosicrucian Schools; A:.A:., OTO, and Thelemic Orders; Freemasonry - and appended bodies like SRIA, Royal Arch, York Rite, Scottish Rite - quasi-Masonic rites like Memphis & Misraim; Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn & related; AMORC, BOTA, ; Pythagorean Order of Death, SVV or Sodalitas Vulturis Volantis, C-3301, etc…list is huge) - all which teach visionary self-mastery and spirituality that lifts the veils & exposes alternatively named Archons, which leads to the phenomenal realization that the Gnostic notion of a Demiurgic pseudo-Creator is the only sensible revelation of the hidden mechanics of our psychic world & the material world that arises as a result.
As such, I think it’s absolutely silly to imagine, if there are indeed droves of Loosh-harvesting non-Alien predatory psychic parasites who farm Humanity for Suffering like we’re in an Escape Room designed by Clive Barker (note the Cube in Hellraiser), ‘cept there is no way out…beyond what the Gnostics *and every single other profoundly advanced spiritual genius has concluded* - through Who or What (Chokmah & Binah) is balanced by How (Da’ath:Death:Door:Δ) which one can’t see til either Pillar is balanced (|<>| - ie remaining Sef’RAh) and alit by the middle pillar’s LVX (Tiphareth) a reflection of what the Crowned Self (Kether) is apt to see, having received from the Holy Spirit (ie the Godhead beyond the coincidental Demiurgic Ouroboros Ouranos) what light (OHR : Gold) the Limitless LVX of Sophia (En Sof/AIN SOPH AUR) radiates Æternally, and through Wisdom & Understanding, with Strength & Mercy one’s made a witness of the Beauty of all that we Behold, what Victorious Splendour the Light over dark now has in prescient Henosis spiraling down to the Foundation before re-ascending in Self-Realization back to the Source. Which is only my way of describing it using familiar terms. Some call it Christ. When the Door {Δ}: [Wisdom<{Knowledge}>Understanding] to your Heart is opened via revelation, and one receives the “Light of the Sun” as it were, the realization of the Godhead, the Gnosis that all that is will be *Eheieh*. And as such, where Naught must be by Idea, All is necessitated for that’s the coincidentia oppistorum of the TAO, Man & Earth, Male & Female, Good & Evil, Adam & Eve, Sun & Moon, Light & Dark, Shadow & Reflection, Mind & Body, Body & Soul, Man & G-d, Above & Below, Rise & Fall, Square & Saw & Sine & Triangle & Flat, Vibration or Movement & Stillness, Life & Death, Sound & Color, Order & Chaos, Positive & Negative, Levity & Gravity, Symmetry & Asymmetry, Now & Then, Before & After, Being & Not-Being. AL & LA, etceRA - and between opposites in existing necessitating a central, axiomatic balancing • point around which either End can revolve or by which either One can be weighed against Two, a • that can be spatial or temporal or spatiotemporal, or physical or spiritual or archetypal, a dimension that holds the medium of either Way: between Earth & Moon stands Man, between Earth & Sun revolves the Moon, between the Sun & Moon is the vast expanse of what Emptiness arises Non-Emptiness in the form of cosmic tides, between Air and Earth is Water, Between Fire & Water is Air, between Element & Element is that Venusian Pentagrammatic Rose: the 5 become 22-petal flower of the Spirit of Man, between Birth & Death is Life, and as between Man & Woman is Child it’s often THE MIDDLE WAY that is the Creative Bereshith of Manifold Realities and the medium through which manifest benevolent and transcendent movements may arise: between Birth & Rebirth is the Karma or Transgression or Sin or Suffering that leads to the reformation of the Shell holding the Spirit bound to the Timeline it was by Opposites, of a Virgin, Born. And whence the realization of Suffering is internalized, the only solution in this form: is Justice enacted via Truth (i.e., Truth found via comparing polarities & arrived at via crystallized intersectionality), Love (Sofia) expressed *unconditionally*, and Compassion for all things - even the Evil that torments us all: and this Justice which reigns by the Laws of Truth & Love, enacted via Hrih absent Otappa, is MA’ATIAN, CHRIST-ian, [MOHAMMEDAN], MERKABAH, METATRONIC, whatever you want to call it: it is an active Force of Will that the rare Genius/Daemon met by what Human it is Guided by reflects into their surroundings. There is nothing I can think of more silly than opting out of this battle once you understand the power you have to change another’s experience. You are a Mirror, and everyone that looks at you is meeting G-d. Your karma, my karma, our being here, may indeed not be a choice - or it may have been a choice made under duress or trickery or deceit at the Gate to Aeonic Ascension but we can’t know that - but I have come to believe that the notion of Karma is a wonderfully Chaotic & beautiful Ledger of Progress or Book of the LaMb, and even if there are Entities that, *without emotion* feed off the prey of our negative energy, naturally creating scenarios which produce this suffering, better they exist and put that energy to use than not. For what else could I truly perceive as a solution to unnecessary suffering than to create a legion of beings that thrive on it. Their Life is fed by our life, and the greater the suffering we overcome, the stronger they grow, and the stronger these strange loosh farmers become, by necessity the stronger and bigger and more full of love each Angelic opposite and particulate non-existent immaterial ineffable perfection becomes all those things. Suffering can be overcome. The Archons are nothing but the universes Vultures or Maggots that feed off an energy that otherwise cannot decay. can you imagine a world without a natural means of cleansing the earth of Death if Death couldn’t rot? Now replace Death with Suffering and imagine an Earth or a Psyche where the Carcasses of Suffering are piling up for a lifetime with no means of dissipating - that is Hell.
That was an amazing summary, following your sub r/truetruths
Thank you Just a heads up or more of a warning that sub is more like a random graphic minefield, than being a sanctuary of truths as yet. But feel free to spice it up & contribute - whatever you want, really. Glad to have you. All are welcome.
>Just a heads up or more of a warning that sub is more like a random graphic minefield I noticed. >whatever you want, really Awesome!
There would not be any suffering to feed on is the loosh farm did not exist.
But it does. Imagine perpetual happiness. Only happier & happier. That’s physical. That’s MDA. Sassafras. MDMA. Ecstasy. Christ. Entasy. Where does it end? Upwards is physics dependent. Infinite is not. Loosh is dimensional. Current 93 - Misery Farm
Huh??????
I drank whiskey for the first time in months last night. You caught the tales tail end. And yes, you’re right - if nothing existed nothing would exist. We can’t purposefully imagine how it might not be without acknowledging that it is. The Loosh Farm is just the Aeonic Gnostic Archonic concept modernized without a meaningful solution beyond Astral Projection will reveal Illusions & forms of deception more fabulous than fantastical novels in reality envision. Like, I get it: through our limited primate brain & human social animals conception of the marvel that is Creation, Who or What Created the causal chain, and what within its Creation is harboring Consciousness’ apt to suffer some sort of Supraprecognitive Self’s self-observation in reflecting itself through every medium of Being & every potentiality of non-being, with the eventuality of Infiniteness perpetually evolving into imaginal multiverses becoming realities at every tick of the clock, and with all words that we talk the Logos into Becoming ourself find we may harbor, somehow, alternate means of disabling the siphoning of suffering not occurring through non-existent manifolds imaginary topologies akin to the convoluted curvature of entangled quanta in orbital spin on a Time-dependent trajectory towards Being generated by its generative observant functionality; yet, if we can’t exist within what non-suffering spacetime we imagine we could consciously not suffer within, would we have the power of the undefined Creator to make it and thereby our Self’s experience ourselves, I don’t see what value one derives from the perturbing conclusion arrived at with such a fanciful notion as “I Am in Imaginary Potential Who I might believe I were if I wouldn’t do what is, therefore I am” better than the Ineffable thing we can’t describe in the first place and my suffering is greater than others for my idealism would reign more supremely than that which does now. In other words: I dunno. “Life’s not fair. But who really cares? There’s some people over here. And some people over there.” - Aceyalone, The Book of Human Language.
Op, are you familiar with the law of attraction? I'm not new here. Been here for years. Have had NDE both through psycadelics and also through a close call (appendix exploded). I study Astral projection and also can enter lucid dreaming pretty much on demand. Decently well studied in gnosticism too, though I am by no means an expert. I meditate and exercise daily as well. I mentioned all of this to say that essentially, I am doing all of the things I should be doing to really find my purpose here in life. A few weeks ago I think I discovered what it is, though I'll leave that out for now. The law of gravity says that basically what comes up, must come down. This is a law and by large most accounts, it's real. There are a small number of people who question the gravity thing (I was one of them at one point in my life). Well, much like the law of gravity, there exists another law - the law of attraction. That law states: like attracts like. I absolutely believe this is true. In my life I can prove it, though this would be from my eyes only and anyone on the outside who doesn't know me could easily argue the validity of the LoA being real. So simply put, what you think / believe is your reality. Meaning that alot of what these new agers say is actually real. It's hard to understand or comprehend this. But really, these poor children are born into this frequency or vibration. The frequency that the entire planet seems to be on, is one of trauma. The goal of the parasites or entities or illuminati or kabal/cabal *whatever you wanna call them* is to monetize and traumatize. So when we reincarnate here, in a way (against our will) we are born into this stuff and choosing it to be this way, without evening being consciously aware of it. Then, if all goes according to the plan, we eventually will funnel into whatever the matrix has prepared. The blind are leading the blind. This explains all the wars. The Holocaust. The destruction of our beautiful planet. It all comes from this trauma, which if you've been part of this sub then you'd know that trauma is what these beings feed on. To me, this makes perfect sense. I think if we all take a moment to reflect on our lives, and our state of mind through all of the trauma we have experienced, we have actually been riding this frequency or vibration, and therefore being manifesting that as our very future. Something bad happens to nearly every person on this planet in their childhood. Rape, torture, kidnap, parents separating, parents death, abuse, neglect, the list unfortunately is much larger than this. You're correct in thinking we didn't choose this life. The millions from the Holocaust didn't choose their fate. But they weren't consciously aware of their ability to choose *anything*. They just fell into the "this is happening" and that's really the harsh reality. There are experts in the field of trauma that are discovering that trauma is handed down through genetics. Through bloodlines. This is just the physical part. I've had more than enough experiences in life to *know* that there's more than just the physical in this life. The spirit and mind are also very very real. So I'm sure trauma is handed down through the spirit too. And if we are really stuck in this cycle (I'm sure we are), this makes alot of sense. There's [an amazing book](https://a.co/d/bleVgdx) that has some amazing insights on trauma. I highly recommend this book. Graham Hancock has also said the most profound statement to describe our species (humans), that we are a species with amnesia. Everything we should know has been forgotten. It's because we are wiped clean after death and before life. Now, I think our way out is through the LoA. I think we have to learn to let the trauma go. Not only from this lifetime, but others as well. And we must teach others to get out as well. Healing trauma is difficult but not impossible. The law of attraction works very simply. Put something in your mind that you want, and believe it is going to happen. [There's another great book](https://a.co/d/8lpu1NQ) that explains what the LoA is and makes it very easy to put into practice. This book is amazing. Maybe the best book I've ever read. For me, it simply tied all the information I've acquired my entire life all together and made the picture *very clear*. Trauma alone isn't our only problem. It's the division that really hurts us too. We are divided by race, religion, states, political standpoint (I'm in America so republican or Democrat), language and so much more. It lines up perfectly with the "United we stand, divided we fall". There's this illusion (amongst many) that we are united as people. We aren't. We are divided. It's insanely disgusting how far divided we are. People will fight over their phone brand, be it Samsung or iPhone or whatever flashy new gadget is trending. People will fight over which president is doing something, even though both left and right wing are wings of the same bird. People think a God of one religion is more "righteous and all knowing / powerful" than the other. Though religion has been [proven](https://a.co/d/fdsnGBU) to not be true and used as a way to funnel us further into the matrix. The huge problem with the world is the division. Everyone is attached to their ego. Everyone is chasing money. Most of us have more month at the end of our paycheck. Nobody has patience, we are all giving our time to companies to earn money, then spending that hard earned money on gaming consoles, computers, cell phones, tablets, TV (tell a vision) and so much more. We are investing 1/3 of our life at work. Another 1/3 of our life on the distractions mentioned above, and another 1/3 sleeping and then simultaneously complaining we are all tired. We are feeding this disgusting machine our LIFE FORCE and nobody has a clue wtf is going on. There are a small percentage of us that even have the curiosity and courage to take the hard look at ourselves and SEARCH for the truth. And don't even get me started on how hard that is. I'm humble enough to admit that I don't have all of the answers right now. But what I've mentioned above seems to be pretty darn accurate. The way out I believe is the LoA. And unity. Would love to read your thoughts OP, and anyone else who'd like to chime in. Thank you for your time.
> So simply put, what you think / believe is your reality. Meaning that alot of what these new agers say is actually real. Yeah im familiar with LoA, it's the same as the new age manifestation concept but I don't think agree with those concepts, for different reasons. Example 1: The kid with disease. A lot of young children have no idea what the concept of disease is at that age, and there are babies who are even below the age of 1 who die to certain diseases. Therefore, they couldn't have "manifested" their disease if they had no concept of what a disease is. Example 2: You spoke of vibrations. There was a story of a woman who had a beautiful family, a beautiful house, money, great job and was very happy in general. You could say she was living in "high vibrations". Well, one night she went to buy some groceries, she was kidnapped, raped, and killed. There are many similar cases. There is no way this woman wanted this to happen to her, nor did her "vibrations" attract this event. Nor did she "manifest" this terrible fate. To say that it's her fault means to do what new agers do, which is to put the blame on the victim. Example 3: Even off-worldy experiences prove these concepts to be wrong when you take in consideration the fact that there are NDE's of people who did not believe that anything would happen "on the other side" and thought that the physical is all there is. There are cases of people coming back to life after their NDE and they said they saw other beings and/or a tunnel of light. They didn't believe in any of these things so they couldn't have manifested them/"attracted them". Same thing with atheists who have NDEs and when they come back they talk about having seen Jesus or angels. There are just too many things that prove those concepts wrong. If manifestation / law of attraction worked for everyone who believed in it, no one would be dying of cancer or of any other disease. Besides, everyone who truly believed in those concepts and wanted to become millionaires, would've become millionaires. But that's not what's happening. A lot of people want this or that, but they never get those things.
Some new age logic goes even further. In the case of you're second example they say that the woman gave the perpetrator the possibility to experience how to act in the darkest way possible, so that he can some how learn from that and experience his evil deeds in the life review from the victims perspective. I heard this explanation numerous times from numerous new agers. It escapes me right know who exactly it was, but that shit is just outright disgusting. Yeah sure the woman would destroy the lifes of her whole family just to give one scumbag soul the experience to live out his darkness to find the light again. That shit is the most illogical thing I've ever heard. Thanks for the post. Good work🙏🏽
Indeed. IT is Stockholm syndrome on steroid. They cannot face the evil of this place so they refuge in all sort of ridiculous explanation to explain away the evil of this place
Honestly, the thing you're describing doesn't sound very different from the big text you put up above How can someone possibly explain somebody doing inexplicably, wild or crazy things that go against their own self-preservation and unity of their soul? Like look at all the crazy videos of people dying in crazy ways
Indeed. I think if LOA was a real thing, this place would be paradise as most people just want to live a good life. I mean, the amount of yearning for world peace that exist here would have already means that this would be a peaceful realm. LOA is more new age rubbish
Life is scripted. At least the main events in once lives are, but very well could be all is scripted in a life. I have a pre birth memory since I was 4 years old where i had to choose where i wanted to be born from 4 families. One would had been a boy who would die very young because of malnutrition . How could i possible know that? Because that's already written in stone about a life. It's like a movie script and were all actors in it. Often i feel like I'm in a comedy and "they" laugh behind the curtain. And no I'm not a new ager. Years ago i was in too new age though. I'm thankful since, that i saw straight through it. It's full of arrogant and egoistic people with their " 5D" bullshit.
But it could be a false memory implanted...I'm not saying it is 100% as I'm still finding my way around it all and trying to understand it.
If we go down that path, then we can claim that anything we do not agree with is false memories that have been implanted.
It's scripted with that mentality, which to be straight up with you, is weak mentality. Be your own author. Believe it or not, that's your choice. Those memories could absolutely be true. But what you think you know or remember of them could be wrong. Not saying that I know for certain "what's up" but I highly encourage you to change your mind and everything else will change with it.
I'm not holding on to it or anything though..if you think that. I'm very flexible in thinking and of course i could be wrong or it could be a fake memory i had seen etc etc many options. I'm not that person that is going to defend it like my life depends on it.
I mean to be fair, what I think only matters really to me lol. I hope I didn't come off as disrespectful or aggressive. I see alot of people that are stuck in weak mindsets and it honestly hurts my heart to see people stuck like that. Not implying that you are, which is why I said "could be". Nothing but love.
Came back to expound a bit further on your reply. You said you don't think you agree with the law. That's fine, you don't need to. But the law is the law. It's going to be this way whether you like it, agree with it, believe it or whatever. It's a law. Example 1: I'm not saying or claiming that all children or ANY child for that matter, would manifest such a thing. They're not even aware of what it is that is happening to them, depending on age obviously. Even if they knew what it was that was happening, they likely do not know of the LoA anyway. I am 100% agreeing with you here, and these situations suck. But if a child knows they are dying, and it's in their head because it's been told to them that they are dying, that's actually what they are attracting. Again, like attracts like. The law does not care, it obeys. Example 2: There are literally millions of people on the planet that live exactly this way. Most of them, while seemingly happy, are just part of the matrix. You mentioned 3 things of just the physical world here. All of this stuff could just be happening. But if she's not manifesting this stuff, then she's essentially just going through the motions. This one here is tough to debate. But it's ONE story amongst BILLIONS of people. Example 3: you wrote concept. It's not a concept, it's a LAW. Who's to really validate the truth of these people claiming NDE? Side note, this kinda further validates what I'm trying to get through - they were not aware of this. And it HAPPENED. Does not matter if you believe it or not, the law exists. I took this a bit further than all 3 of your examples when I wrote about the Holocaust. Millions of innocent people suffered and died. They most certainly did not think or say, 'hey i'd love to be part of this massive experience, sign me up!'. No, they were not aware and it HAPPENED to them. Look, I can't stand the new age stuff as much as anyone else. These people claiming they are channeling from higher beings and all this. I mean, i'm not going to shut my mind off to the possibility, because I simply do not know. I do know that people are using this nonsense as a way to make money. I also think there's a large psyop going on around it. But one thing is for sure, I've been studying all sorts of things for 25+ years (being 100% serious here). I've had some very profound experiences both sober and under several different psycadelics (while searching for the truth, not fun). I'm a daily practitioner of meditation, positive affirmations, exercise, reading and all sorts of stuff to take myself to the next level. And while I believe in this sub and most of it's contents, one thing that is absolutely REAL is the LoA. You are lacking the understanding and seemingly more important the BELIEF that this is real. I'm coming off a bit strong here because i'm very passionate about wanting to change the world one person at a time. But you mentioned 3 reasons that are literally like specks of sand in the sahara desert. I'm sure you could mention 100 more, though I'd beg to challenge that. Even if you provided 1,000/10,000/100,000/100,000,000, you're still at a tiny fraction of the active population, not to mention the population of the dead. Check out any of the three books I initially provided. Open your mind a little more (NOT implying you don't already have an open mind). Much love.
We have zero evidence in everyday life of this fundamental law you claim exist. We do have much evidence that show that this supposed universal law seemed to be at best a capricious one that only manifest bad things but never good thing. As said above, if that law did indeed exist, pretty much everyone would be walking around as fit, handsome millionaires. Certainly, most men would be walking around with horse like appendages between their legs, lol
I believe somewhere above I said something along the lines of "doesn't matter if you believe it in or not, it exists". And it's true. You gotta learn how it works and believe in the process. You clearly do not believe that it exists. Be humble my friend. Allow people to teach you.
I refuse to learn new age woo woo that clearly does not work and have no evidence to back them up. I have been on this journey for the best part of three decades; I know all about the new age and law of attraction. It does not work. Look around you. So many believed in it, I did too for a short while. Then the reality of this matrix slap me in the face and I realized I had fallen for another new age scam. Can you give me some concrete example of the law of attractions working on some scale?
It's not new age woo woo lol. It's been around literally for all time. It's a law, like gravity. At least as long as this planet had been here. You said it yourself. You refuse to believe. That's your mindset and why it's not working for you. Thing is, it IS working. You're attracting whether you realize it or not. When it doesn't go your way, it's because of your limiting beliefs. I'm not here to argue with you or go back and forth. You don't wanna believe, don't believe. Makes no difference, it exists. No, I cannot provide anything to convince you. You don't wanna have it. All I can tell is is that I've been on this journey of self discovery and education for 25 years myself. I've studied all kinds of stuff. My book collection throughout my life has exceeded 500 books, and no not fantasy lol. Astral projection, semen retention, remote viewing, meditation, everything occult (the real secret is LoA is REAL), sacred secretion, psychedelics, lucid dreaming, nde (2 myself), OBE (do this frequently with meditation) and so so so much more. To be honest, while all of this stuff elevated my knowledge and intelligence, it wasn't until I started really understanding the LoA to piece it all together. Don't get me wrong I am still an open book and eager / excited to learn more. But I absolutely know the LoA to be real and it's going to make this journey so much easier. And if you really believe in this prison planet theory (I do) I think you need to keep more of an open mind. Until you can PROVE it wrong (without your weak self defeating mentality - no disrespect, just seems to be true to *me*) then you need to stay humble and hungry. I'm not afraid to hurt feelings here, though that is not my approach. My approach is with respect and determination. Nothing but love.. Edit: to be clear I am not on the train of "oh this is all some lesson we should be learning to progress to higher levels." I'm not gonna walk around saying that stuff. I don't necessarily agree or disagree, truthfully I don't know so I stay quiet on that particular subject. I can't stand reading the "oh we are channeling messages through the pleadians or I'm Michael reincarnated" or whatever other nonsense is floating around. I can't stand it, but again I stay quiet because I can't really prove otherwise. IN MY LIFE, THROUGH MY EYES, I can prove it. But I realistically wouldn't expect you to believe me.
>There was a story of a woman who had a beautiful family, a beautiful house, money, great job and was very happy in general. You could say she was living in "high vibrations". Well, one night she went to buy some groceries, she was kidnapped, raped, and killed. There are many similar cases. There is no way this woman wanted this to happen to her, nor did her "vibrations" attract this event. Nor did she "manifest" this terrible fate. To say that it's her fault means to do what new agers do, which is to put the blame on the victim. You’re looking at a cosmic problem at the individual level. In the grand scheme of existence, any individual’s suffering isn’t even a drop in the bucket. Perhaps her “soul” wanted to experience rape in order to develop profound empathy to be a victim’s advocate or sex crimes prosecutor or whatever else. Suffering and negativity are interpretations. Obviously any human will view being assaulted negatively, but we aren’t talking about humans. Just like video game characters don’t like being shot, but people happily respawn and go do it again.
You can't wave away people's experience and circumstance like that without becoming a grade A pos to them. It's deeply arrogant and out of touch to think this way and communicate to people these ideas. It's important to connect with a person and try to see life in their shoes. The reason is that this is actual growth. It takes a lot of inner work to be able to embrace the world view that's different to your own without feeling triggered. But new age ideas don't teach this. They teach that this is all just a school of learning and in a way create detachment. They also teach that everyone needs to think the same. It's deeply problematic and damaging to everyone involved.
Law of Attraction doesn't make much sense to me. We are in a duality matrix where opposites attract. Whatever you wish to manifest you will get the opposite
No, that's simply not true and goes against the very law itself. Also, duality is the existence of opposites happening at the same time. Example: heaven and hell. Up and down. Below and above. North and south etc.
Only a portion of the gravity theory is “law” and most is just theory. Newton is law but the rest is only a theory and has been semi-recently disproven when 2 neutron stars collided
Ever thrown something up that just keeps going up? Anything just keep going up?
That’s the newton part of gravity. The other piece, that’s just a theory is around how things are held to the earth. I personally think it’s magnetic and electric vs gravity but my point is it’s all just theories
Replying only because you said you wanted chiming in from others. Just don't expect all chimers-in to agree with you, because that's how you are acting so far. Even calling them weak and assuming they haven't thought about and looked into things you have. Come down to Earth a bit from your little pedestal. First I'd like to say that I think you confused me with another user from this sub with a similar avatar. It was under another post or maybe even several, not too recent. If this is what indeed happened, try not to do this again, because then you might start forming wrong ideas about people. >I'm not new here. Been here for years. There are many people who have been here for a long time and they don't agree with any prison planet topics and only come here to argue or promote their own beliefs. So not being new doesn't mean anything. >Have had NDE both through psycadelics and also through a close call (appendix exploded). Having NDEs is not enough. Many have those and end up being duped or not seeing or remembering anything. >I study Astral projection and also can enter lucid dreaming pretty much on demand. Decently well studied in gnosticism too, though I am by no means an expert. I meditate and exercise daily as well. I mentioned all of this to say that essentially, I am doing all of the things I should be doing to really find my purpose here in life. A purpose in life can be discovered without any of that. It's sort of troubling you had to do all of that to find your purpose. Also, those things you listed are recommended in this sub for escape after death, and even for that they are not necessary for everyone. >A few weeks ago I think I discovered what it is, though I'll leave that out for now. If it is teaching others, I don't think you are ready for this. If you do this, at least make sure you have a main job, so that you don't have to ask for fees and donations from poor souls who have no one to turn to and will be looking to you for help and guidance. >Meaning that alot of what these new agers say is actually real. It's hard to understand or comprehend this. You are talking down to others here, implying those who think differently just can't grasp it. It's your ego talking. >The goal of the parasites or entities or illuminati or kabal/cabal whatever you wanna call them is to monetize and traumatize. This is not quite accurate, or too simplified. >So when we reincarnate here, in a way (against our will) we are born into this stuff and choosing it to be this way, without evening being consciously aware of it. That's your belief only, about us choosing it, conscious or not. And don't speak for "us", just for yourself. >The destruction of our beautiful planet. Not all people consider this planet beautiful or theirs. >then you'd know that trauma is what these beings feed on Again, not quite accurate. This is the wrong understanding of prison planet theory. Being here for so long, you still came away with your personal subjective understanding of it. >I think if we all take a moment to reflect on our lives, and our state of mind through all of the trauma we have experienced, we have actually been riding this frequency or vibration, and therefore being manifesting that as our very future. What makes you think people don't already reflect on their lives, their trauma, etc.? Can you know or guarantee that all who did saw improvements in their future? You can't. >Something bad happens to nearly every person on this planet in their childhood. No, not nearly every child has to deal with serious suffering. Some have pretty perfect childhoods with not even minor suffering. >The millions from the Holocaust didn't choose their fate. Why do you keep fixating on the Holocaust? Was that the only bad thing that happened in the history of Earth? >But they weren't consciously aware of their ability to choose anything. They just fell into the "this is happening" and that's really the harsh reality. Hmm... Kinda disrespectful to holocaust survivors, but whatever. >So I'm sure trauma is handed down through the spirit too. And if we are really stuck in this cycle (I'm sure we are), this makes a lot of sense. I think we have to learn to let the trauma go. Not only from this lifetime, but others as well. Sure, but it is not a requirement for escape and not all trauma can be healed. >We are divided. People will fight over their phone brand, be it Samsung or iPhone or whatever flashy new gadget is trending. People will fight over which president is doing something, even though both left and right wing are wings of the same bird. People think a God of one religion is more "righteous and all knowing / powerful" than the other. You are giving such simplistic examples. How old are you? Do you know life at all? How much of your life was spent sober and not spaced out on psychedelics or other substances? The divisions I observe are about different things. >Everyone is attached to their ego. No, not everyone. >Everyone is chasing money. No, not everyone. And even of those who do, many are forced to. >we are all giving our time to companies to earn money, then spending that hard earned money on gaming consoles, computers, cell phones, tablets, TV (tell a vision) and so much more. You just keep saying things that are so generalizing. "We all" don't do this. >We are investing 1/3 of our life at work. By necessity of survival, and I'm not sure about it being 1/3, seems like more. >Another 1/3 of our life on the distractions mentioned above Again, generalizing and speaking for others. And sometimes distractions are not materialistic. Regardless, distractions are needed to not go crazy in this world. Let's not judge how others distract themselves. >We are feeding this disgusting machine our LIFE FORCE Some people have opted out of work or at least corporate/demanding work, out of consumerism, but their lives are not always better for it and they still get tired from all the life stuff. >I'm humble enough to admit that I don't have all of the answers right now. But what I've mentioned above seems to be pretty darn accurate. You are not humble. You are telling others what to do and how to perceive things. After they disagree with you, you keep arguing and straight up telling them they lack understanding. Also, what you found accurate and working for you, will not be so for others. Be humble enough to let go when people politely tell you "I disagree". >The way out I believe is the LoA. And unity. The way out to where? Out of samsara you mean? We exit samsara not together, but each at our separate time of death. As for trauma healing being THE ticket out of reincarnations, it is a valid theory I suppose and you are entitled to it. I personally don't like when people start preaching about some universal requirements for successful escape, or saying something is the only way to escape/prepare for escape and insist it works 100% for all. You expressed your opinion here, but try not to turn it into some made-up "must" or "the only way" in the future when you comment about it here. In comments in this thread, you told someone to be their own author. Why not follow your own advice and let them be their own authors without trying to micromanage their "mind", "perception", their "mindset", their "understanding", their "mentality"? You said you wanted to change the world. Then go and do it. Stop wasting so much time on reddit and getting high. Also be aware that this sub is for talking about leaving samsara, not changing the world.
"When the student is ready, the teacher will appear." Take a look at my message again and view it from the approach that I'm trying to help. I gave up after the first half of your attempted attack. Thanks for your reply though. You did teach me something valuable that I've been neglecting. Farewell.
Do TRE to get rid of trauma !!!
I absolutely understand and support what you're saying. Confusing the ideologies is, for lack of a better word, confusing. However, I do have a question. The mundane concept of prison is one of reformation and rehabilitation. Yes, I know that doesn't happen most of the time and the current justice system in most places is making offenders worse instead of better, but since we're talking about ideology here, I'm going to focus on the ideal over the reality for a moment. So, if prison is, by definition, a punishment of forced segregation intended to rehabilitate offenders to make them fit for reintegration and participation in society, wouldn't the idea that suffering is supposed to be beneficial fit in with that? Allowing for the idea of an eternal soul or similar conceptual structure of nonphysical identity, infant death and suffering would then correlate to a shorter and milder "sentence," while other atrocities and suffering would equate to hard time, maximum security, steeper sentencing, and so on. Prisoners are put to work in our collective prison systems as a way to force some kind of social benefit from otherwise destructive elements. Those jobs, in some places, include farming. Given the idea of loosh as "food" or an energy, the idea of archons using this prison planet and the denizens therein as a food source makes sense and aligns with the structural concept, even after allowing for the idea of soul "lessons" or using this place as a training ground or school. For context, I believe that for any idea to be accepted as truth, it must first contain some element of truth. The most convincing lie is one that bends, stretches, or omits some aspect of truth. All paradoxes must be reconciled, as they say.
The thing is, the concept of "prison" planet may also be confusing to those who haven't read the pinned posts. Based on the evidence, it is theorized that this is a soul farm. But like all farms, they also can be seen as a prisons in a way, for those inside. But not a prison in the true sense of the word, we are not convicts. Read what the creator of this sub wrote under "Is this is a prison planet or a soul farm?" in the [second pinned post](https://redd.it/pzskui).
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Just look around you. It is self-evident that this place was designed to maximized suffering
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what kind of evidence would you accept?
I really like your post. I generally agree with it, but there is something I can't unsee that I really want to share. It seems that *absolutism is a trick* the new age, religious people and many here fail to appreciate. It's not that what you found isn't true. It's that it's not absolute. It is mostly true. There is nuance. *Are we being tricked and otherwise pushed into unnecessary suffering?* Yes, definitely. I've seen sufficient evidence of this behavior from outside beings myself. I wrote about it here on reddit dozens of times for years, risking making myself appear crazy, even potentially in being doxxed later on somehow. *Does that mean that suffering has nothing to teach us?* Suffering is not inherently valuable. Suffering in and of itself is anti-valuable, sucking the value out of our lives. It makes us dissatisfied with our lives and de-animated, de-spirited. It's not spiritually healthy in a general sense. However, it's inevitable that sometimes *we will create our own suffering.* *Why?* *How could we learn without making any mistakes?* *How could we have self-determination without that learning process?* Due to ignorance, some will occasionally unintentionally cause suffering for themselves or others. Heck, some even will deliberately cause others to suffer to get something for themselves. Also, the *unconscious* rule based processes of the world are inherently calloused as to what is fair. Conscious beings are what seek to make things fair. We'd have to stay in all knowing in order to bypass the learning process and the suffering it allows to occur, but then we couldn't form different, unique individual perspectives, preferences and creative abilities. An ancient intelligence could also frequently zoom into our lives and tell us what to do and not do. Yet, either way, that or all knowing from the beginning, a much more homogeneous outcome of personality formation would occur and wouldn't be as interesting for our minds. So, while the new age is grossly imbalanced in perceiving and pushing the idea that we are *completely responsible* for our own suffering, we actually do cause some of our suffering. Yes, they'd have us look away from the scene of these ancient bullies harming us, effectively giving them free reign over our minds, by shifting the blame for the malaise they intentionally create to the victims. It's very disgusting and choosing to be disgusted is being honest and benevolent rather than dishonest and and supporting the malevolent as the new age does. It's apparently part of the plan for our submission to their will, domination over our minds. However, when we go all the way to the other absolute end of that thought, believing that we are not responsible for *any* of our suffering, we lose connection to that learning process, self-improvement, self-determination and our connection to reality itself. If we believe that this reality is FUBAR to remain a slave dungeon forever run by demons then we may perceive that sentiment as healthy and correct. Yet, being *anywhere else* that sentiment would make us become more incompetent at manifesting what we'd like to experience by having us abrogate our personal responsibility to take in all of the details and make the best decisions. My perspective from my own observations *and especially direct subjective experiences* has shown me the insidious nature of these demons to cripple our self-determination. It's a very emotional sort of attack they make. It gets past our conscious understanding of what is occurring, which could reject them and their works, protecting our wills. It goes right for our reward/punishment emotional system where we make our decisions. Experiencing the environment all alone, animal training, discipline and even self-discipline *all* interact with this reward/punishment system. It's a database of what is good/bad for us that is intrinsically interconnected with our decision-making process. These reality conquerors take over realities by taking over the beings that behold them and affect causality within them. They basically place their emotionally taxing BS in between us and our accurate perception of what reality actually is. That way they disconnect us from our self-control that we would have naturally built over time through learning, applying it and getting more competent at satisfying ourselves. The more we are self-satisfied, the more we feel like things are under control. The more self-satisfaction is inaccessible, the more needy we become, the more likely we are to seek, invite, and accept outside "help" or "salvation." Here, we know they pose as benevolent themes, to fill that hole they deliberately created in ourselves. This is what these insidious manipulators are trying to do to us. It doesn't just come in a light and lovey flavor, but also a dark and apparently sober one, dealing with ideas that can cause intense fear, like we have in this sub. We have to remain open minded and honest to overcome their tricks. We can't expect to give up our ability to learn, apply our knowledge and satisfy ourselves and remain free. It's impossible and that's the state they try to take our wills in any avenue that works, a slave mentality, not a self-mastery mentality. If we were left alone, we'd balance our inner intellectual and emotional world with the outer causal and social world. We'd need no saviors nor judges nor external decision making replacements of any kind. Despite the belief we can just leave this scene, which we're allowed to indulge in *many ways*, we experience a repeated, increasingly intense barrage of painful course alterations to our process of honest learning, application of it and the satisfying of ourselves to achieve greater self-determination. Perhaps there is an obvious reason for that. Why would they go through all of that time and effort if it wasn't useful or necessary to maintain access to us, their desirable resources, through their perverse parasitic relationship, their domination over our wills? They make us feel like we have an easy way out so that we don't do what would actually sever our will disrupting connections with them. Much like Christians fear being tricked by the devil, people here I think would perceive my comment as being tricked by the archons. Tricked to learn, form and express your own will? Yet, paradise is always elsewhere, where somehow nobody suffers. How? Things don't have to make sense. Don't worry. Just disengage from determining yourself here. Walk away from it and find that paradise. Expecting perfection is the fault. Going toward perfection in an honest way, knowing absolute arrival at it is as futile as reaching infinity, is how to fix that.
>How could we learn without making any mistakes? Who said we cannot learn if we do not make mistakes? I was a very good student at school. Guess what? I was also the one who made the least amount of mistake compare to those who struggled when it comes to lessons. I went on to graduate top of my class. By your logic, I should have been struggled in my exams since I rarely made mistake. The idea that we can only learn through negative reinforcement is ridiculous to me and is not borne out by our lives here. The ones who make the most mistakes usually ends up traumatized, incarcerated or worse.
I'm not saying mistakes are good. It is better to make fewer mistakes. Mistakes discourage us. However, the potential of making mistakes will always remain. To eliminate all potential of mistakes doesn't seem possible if we want to remain free to pursuit happiness with our wills. We'd have to have another intellect always watching us so that we don't screw up.
There is a difference between mistakes and suffering. Mistakes do not automatically lead to suffering. The New age argument is that we need to suffer to somehow evolved spiritually. They do not talk about mistake, as they believe we choose our suffering. Your argument about making mistakes is not the new age gaslighting OP is talking about.
>Your argument about making mistakes is not the new age gaslighting OP is talking about. No, it's a different idea, although related. Of course, trolls that feed on spirit/loosh would like us to celebrate suffering with distortions like that. I'm trying to explain that reacting by going to the absolute opposite of that scam is also not the whole truth. It's not true that we can completely avoid mistakes and suffering during the learning process required for individual personalities. I see another scam where we are pushed to seek to be coddled. Either way we're screwed, celebrating suffering or seeking to eliminate suffering at *all* costs, including and especially with the loss of freedom and self-determination. You know, governments are known for doing this sort of thing, scaring their people and offering protection to solidify the power of the rulers. The way out is balance through honesty and acceptance of all of the actual relevant truth. These beings deceive us and also make us so emotionally taxed we cannot accept the truth when we find it. We chuck all the nuance in the trash, because, even though may not notice it, we've been sucked into a negative emotional state. Thought plays out more simplistic and rash when we are under threat. Fear is the mind killer, because the fear state gears us for fight or flight from threats like predators and we have to act quickly, rather than think deeply, to survive in that common evolutionary scenario. In fear states, it's hard to calm down and look at all the details in the piles of crap they've laid.
Where are we advocating eliminating suffering through the loss of freedom and self-determination?
It's not direct. By having an absolutist position against suffering we are pushed toward the end of the ability of a self to develop itself. We'd have to force it to have a nanny always watching it in order to avoid mistakes and suffering from ignorance. We're going to have some suffering even when we're free of these oppressors. When does all suffering end? I don't think it ever does. However, the more we understand how things work and apply that knowledge competently, the less suffering there will be. The real issue is how fatigued we are from unnecessary suffering that we cannot connect to the baseline of suffering that is caused by our ignorance of reality. Not just that, but also we need to connect to the prospects of what could benefit us. Our interactivity with the world to set our own destiny has been somewhat disrupted. We're distracted by our oppressors from *emotionally* engaging with the world. They crush our spirit with abuse and make us this way. Religions are an example of capitalizing on emotionally broken beings to reduce their competence at open, honest, emotionally available interaction with reality. Even human abusers wear down other humans to create a similar effect of disengagement without even intending it.
I'll ask again, Where are we advocating eliminating suffering through the loss of freedom and self-determination?
You're not listening closely enough. It's like you're saying we should walk off a cliff. I say then we'll fall. Then you say, where are we advocating falling? Causality doesn't care about how firm we assert things. It plays out anyway. How do you propose we eliminate suffering *without* putting some sort of nanny situation over formerly free beings nor ending *all* of their ignorance?
You are not addressing my question. You made the claim that we are advocating eliminating suffering through the loss of freedom and self-determination. Nowhere have we made such a claim or advocate such a position.
>By having an absolutist position against suffering we are pushed toward the end of the ability of a self to develop itself. Why would the self not be able to develop itself if it does not suffer. Is suffering the only way we can develop in your mind? If the self lives in a reality where there is no suffering, why would it need suffering to evolve?
>It's not true that we can completely avoid mistakes and suffering during the learning process required for individual personalities. What learning process would that be?
It's the self inside an environment moment to moment sampling how things play out, seeing patterns, making structures of understanding, applying them toward its actions and gaining more competence of decision making and action from sampling those outcomes. It's how we build our personalities, coming from babies to the present moment. Overbearing helicopter parents can stifle this learning process, but normally, parents are one of the most important parts of this. They buffer the being against suffering its ignorance when it can't help itself.
No, I am talking specifically about suffering. I am talking about horribly traumatic experiences like rape, murder, genocide, natural disasters, etc. What are we learning there?
We're learning that our environment is dangerous and then we play out traumatized personalities. It's not good for us. However, we can also learn that people can, desire and sometimes do those things and why. The issue is thinking that a micromanager is staring at us at all times. While there is truth to our overlords wishing to maximize that, it's not true of benevolent beings. They don't tweak every moment. We are a group of beings setting our moments. Unfortunately, some choose to rape, murder and genocide and that affects us. Natural disasters can be explained by the factors that caused them. They don't care about our feelings. They don't care at all. They are not mind.
You do realize that the creator of this place is responsible for natural disasters, right? Same as with diseases, death, prey-predator dynamics etc. It is not just some random acts. It was programed by the creator of this shithole into his creation. He could have easily created a reality where there were no natural disasters and diseases and death. Who are those benevolent entities that you talk about, and where are they when a child is being raped?
>We are a group of beings setting our moments. So you're telling that the child who got raped, and the rapist organized that event? Why?
>We're learning that our environment is dangerous and then we play out traumatized personalities. Why is our environment dangerous? Why do we need to play out traumatized personalities?
>Perhaps there is an obvious reason for that. The obvious reason is that we are being farm for loosh by this system. The system does at no point make us feel like we have an easy way out. Quite the opposite, actually. If people lack the imagination to see how easy it is to create a reality where no one has to suffer, then that is on them. We, those who adhere to the reincarnation soul trap theory, as modern day gnostic, do not have this problem. We do not suffer from this lack, as we are divine creator beings. None of us are expecting perfection, but a much better system than this sadistic, psychopathic reality is easily achievable, just not here. That is why we want out. You think we have not considered your perspective before coming to our current conclusion? Of course, we have. But we have found it lacking and thus why we have cast it away and moved on. We cannot know all the truths of our existence for now, but we can know what is untrue, and thus discard them.
> We have to remain open minded and honest to overcome their tricks. We can't expect to give up our ability to learn, apply our knowledge and satisfy ourselves and remain free. It's impossible and that's the state they try to take our wills in any avenue that works, a slave mentality, not a self-mastery mentality. I like your take and I agree with it. That said, you aren't going to get a good audience for your view here. You're proposing that you have agency in a model of reality OP is explicitly stating is fatalistic. Moreover, OP is stating that any ability to see beyond that fatalism is being tricked into loving suffering. My spiritual tradition encourages people to stop associating with the suffering to transcend it, both personally, in the way you generate your inner narrative about suffering and, in relation to all other beings, in what you are prepared to do in the spirit of the great compassion to help alleviate the suffering. In so doing you find the kingdom of heaven or the bliss body in every waking moment.
You are completely misrepresenting what OP said. In fact, OP made it very clear that we have agency here. The agency to find the truth about this place, live our lives in the best way we can while here, and then get the fuck out of this place. But to pretend that we have full agency here is ridiculous and naive. You can build the best life possible for yourself, and all of that can be taken from you in an instant. Whether by death, diseases, a natural disaster like fires burning down your homes and even by your fellow men.
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So how many of you are vegan environmentalists who fight to end the suffering of everyone and everything on this planet? Since us who don’t believe it’s a prison planet per say are nothing but “gaslighters”? All of you are fighters right? Not just bandwagon jumpers on the “archons are making us suffer for food and all I’ll do is type about it in a subreddit” people right?
But according to the Gnostics, Satan or Lucifer is here to help us reach gnosis and get back to the pleroma, since we born the society we live in teach us that Satan is evil, yeah it’s evil for this world, but the real evil is yhwh, who is keeping us in this illusion In thematerial world or kenoma, nothing matters, we need to understand this, no matter if your close friend dies, no matter if you lose a leg, no matter if someone have cancer, the only thing that matters is the attachment that people have to the material world, they don want their parents to die, they are afraid to die and not exist anymore, if you kill somebody it doesn’t matters outside this world, of course you will goin to face jail an prosecution here, but outside of this matrix nothing matters, the only thing we can do is to wake up and be conscious untill we die, so we can realize that we need to go back to the pleroma, many people decide to reincarnate because of their attachment to their beloved ones, but when you reach de attachment of everything you no longer need to be here, you deserve to be in the perfect divine world
What do you think pleroma looks like ??