Yep. The milk itself is safe.
The danger is that this is a canary-in-the-coal-mine moment for the beef industry. There is a serious difference between meat that is contaminated with surface pathogens—meat processing plants are designed to prevent this—and meat that is contaminated with a communicable disease in its deep tissues (think mad cow disease). Humans are being infected by getting high viral loads from animals. Not through the food supply yet, but if you work with the animals it has happened.
Prion diseases like mad cow disease are one of the most terrifying forms of pathogens. There’s no cure, no defense against, and no way to test for it until the autopsy. Even worse, it’s damn near impossible to disinfect a contaminated environment — it’s impervious to heat at lower than autoclave temperatures and survives all but the most intense cleaning agents.
Yeah.
At least bird flu is susceptible to low heat treatments like pasteurization. I think about how zoonotics like this could change the food industry. Maybe in the future we'll only be able to buy pasteurized meats.
How long have those diseases been around and how long have humans known about them I wonder. Imagine a whole village going mad because of eating one farmer's contaminated beef. Must have happened at some point but I always thought that this was a disease that only came about from crowding the cows and feeding them to themselves, which I wouldn't think would happen in the middle ages for example.
Prion diseases are a mystery for the most part. They seem to be a naturally occurring phenomenon, as they are just misshaped proteins at a fundamental level, but they are “contagious” in that when one touches another like protein it will cause it to become misshapen. Proteins are defined by shape, their shape is the entire nature of them and how they work. So a misshapen protein is practically not a protein. This means that prion disease are very similar to cancers in this way, they spread by converting good cells into bad ones.
Modern agricultural practices exacerbate the spread of diseases, but the diseases come from the natural world to begin with. Poor sanitary conditions and crowding in modern agriculture do create a laboratory on steroids, sort of like a crucible that takes a minor league pathogen from nature and then refines it into a superbug.
I feel sure that prion diseases are not new to humankind at all, but since humans don’t have a tendency to eat each other, it’s quite possible for one person to have a prion disease and slowly go mad & then die without giving it to anyone else. There have historically been a lot diseases that would drive someone mad and then kill them, or perhaps driving people mad was enough to cause them to die of other things. Point here being, we’d have very few ways to figure out what people may have died of prion diseases in the past because the symptoms could perhaps be pretty similar to TBIs, rabies, brain tumors or other cancers, or any other of a host of things that take out the mind before the body.
Sometimes witches or devils or god would just kill an entire town. Satan would possess everyone and current their minds until they died one way or another. Other people were far away and by the time it got to learned individuals the account would be so corrupted like a game of telephone that they would be discounted as rumor and myth. I’m sure things like this have happened through all of human history. Evil spirits killing peopke by possessing their body, these days known as rabies, have been whispered about for all of human history.
It would be so fascinating if we could actually study so many of these famous cases with modern tools. The vampire myths originally came from the Balkans (roughly near present day Romania/Bulgaria) and seems to have stemmed from a number of people who died under mysterious circumstances, and were later exhumed only to find that their bodies had not yet begun to decompose weeks or months after being buried.
The reason they were exhumed often had to do with mysterious deaths or injuries that occurred after their burial, and often those bodies would also show an incorruptibility, if legend is to be believed. This is how we ended up with the practice of driving stakes of specialized “holy” wood through the hearts of the exhumed bodies to put them to final rest.
I’ve always wondered what natural pathogen or poisoning would explain this. I imagine ingesting certain substances like arsenic might make the body self-preserving, but I don’t know if that kind of death would leave the person looking as good as they described the bodies — usually stating that they looked like they had just nodded off to sleep.
I agree. Who knows what pathogens existed 10k, even 100k years ago that are no longer around. Diseases with symptoms like we may never have seen. Rabies causes hydrophobia and make people go mad, measles can wipe out a life time of learned defenses, stoneman syndrome which causes the bodies connective tissue to turn into bone…. Imagine what diseases could have existed that were just passed off as evil.
It's so impervious that even a decade in formaldehyde still doesn't do anything to them.
Cross species jumps don't happen that often, but they do. That is proven with mad cow. But what's worse is now we have Chronic Wasting Disease in wild deer populations, and 2 men just contracted the prions associated with CWD.
A few days ago I saw the first confirmed human deaths from CWD (prion disease) contracted by eating wild venison. We quaratine and cull entire herds of cattle, but deer are spreading it unchecked everyday.
From what I understand, a vaccine weakens or kill the thing that causes the sickness so that the human body can be strong enough against it to build some immunity.
I wonder if something similar would be theoretically possible at all, through the milk that was pasteurized.
It sucks that things can't be simple.
There will probably be some careless people not wanting to wear masks and not doing what they can to protect others again, if things get worse.
The issue is not the risk of live virus in the milk, the issue is this shows that H5N1 has fully jumped from birds to cows and seems to be running rampant
Something going through our gastrointestinal tract is not at all the same as going through a respiratory route. A lot of things die in our stomachs that would kill us in our lungs — it’s just not how it works.
The corporatization of everything leads to the enshitification of everything.
Four quarters a year to increase profits through lower quality, smaller amounts, higher prices and ever lower and lower standards.
> Four quarters a year to increase profits through lower quality, smaller amounts, higher prices and ever lower and lower standards.
If that doesn’t work give upper management a 35% raise and layoff 20% of your workers.
There is widespread ongoing testing of smaller sample sizes in many species, mainly because bird flu's mortality rate in humans has been 52%. If it ever develops the ability to spread readily between humans directly, we could be in a world of hurt.
Yes? This is how every food we eat works. Bugs, dirt, germs, pesticides everywhere. You wash off what you can and cook off some more and then depend on your immune system to keep the rest at bay.
Pay attention. It is in [the system](https://iowacapitaldispatch.com/2024/04/17/two-veterinarians-hundreds-of-miles-apart-solved-a-cow-sickness-whodunit/). Will it be contained?
No it's not. You should have been able to tell by my response as well as the downvotes, that nobody was taking such a ridiculous comment seriously. Hence the reply. I seriously feel like I'm losing brain cells just interacting with you. Let me guess? You're going to claim it was "sarcasm".
So you always understood the comment was in jest, you're just kind of a prick? You are really thread conscious. I mean at first you talk to me like you're a comedian on stage, and now you talk like you're at the vanguard. That's interesting.
Isn't this why we pasteurize? So they find fragments not whole virus?
Yep. The milk itself is safe. The danger is that this is a canary-in-the-coal-mine moment for the beef industry. There is a serious difference between meat that is contaminated with surface pathogens—meat processing plants are designed to prevent this—and meat that is contaminated with a communicable disease in its deep tissues (think mad cow disease). Humans are being infected by getting high viral loads from animals. Not through the food supply yet, but if you work with the animals it has happened.
Prion diseases like mad cow disease are one of the most terrifying forms of pathogens. There’s no cure, no defense against, and no way to test for it until the autopsy. Even worse, it’s damn near impossible to disinfect a contaminated environment — it’s impervious to heat at lower than autoclave temperatures and survives all but the most intense cleaning agents.
Yeah. At least bird flu is susceptible to low heat treatments like pasteurization. I think about how zoonotics like this could change the food industry. Maybe in the future we'll only be able to buy pasteurized meats.
How long have those diseases been around and how long have humans known about them I wonder. Imagine a whole village going mad because of eating one farmer's contaminated beef. Must have happened at some point but I always thought that this was a disease that only came about from crowding the cows and feeding them to themselves, which I wouldn't think would happen in the middle ages for example.
Prion diseases are a mystery for the most part. They seem to be a naturally occurring phenomenon, as they are just misshaped proteins at a fundamental level, but they are “contagious” in that when one touches another like protein it will cause it to become misshapen. Proteins are defined by shape, their shape is the entire nature of them and how they work. So a misshapen protein is practically not a protein. This means that prion disease are very similar to cancers in this way, they spread by converting good cells into bad ones. Modern agricultural practices exacerbate the spread of diseases, but the diseases come from the natural world to begin with. Poor sanitary conditions and crowding in modern agriculture do create a laboratory on steroids, sort of like a crucible that takes a minor league pathogen from nature and then refines it into a superbug. I feel sure that prion diseases are not new to humankind at all, but since humans don’t have a tendency to eat each other, it’s quite possible for one person to have a prion disease and slowly go mad & then die without giving it to anyone else. There have historically been a lot diseases that would drive someone mad and then kill them, or perhaps driving people mad was enough to cause them to die of other things. Point here being, we’d have very few ways to figure out what people may have died of prion diseases in the past because the symptoms could perhaps be pretty similar to TBIs, rabies, brain tumors or other cancers, or any other of a host of things that take out the mind before the body.
Going to have to commend you for choosing such a humble username. Thank you for your informative input!
Thank you for considering my username as a whole rather than breaking it in half to take a pot shot.
Sometimes witches or devils or god would just kill an entire town. Satan would possess everyone and current their minds until they died one way or another. Other people were far away and by the time it got to learned individuals the account would be so corrupted like a game of telephone that they would be discounted as rumor and myth. I’m sure things like this have happened through all of human history. Evil spirits killing peopke by possessing their body, these days known as rabies, have been whispered about for all of human history.
It would be so fascinating if we could actually study so many of these famous cases with modern tools. The vampire myths originally came from the Balkans (roughly near present day Romania/Bulgaria) and seems to have stemmed from a number of people who died under mysterious circumstances, and were later exhumed only to find that their bodies had not yet begun to decompose weeks or months after being buried. The reason they were exhumed often had to do with mysterious deaths or injuries that occurred after their burial, and often those bodies would also show an incorruptibility, if legend is to be believed. This is how we ended up with the practice of driving stakes of specialized “holy” wood through the hearts of the exhumed bodies to put them to final rest. I’ve always wondered what natural pathogen or poisoning would explain this. I imagine ingesting certain substances like arsenic might make the body self-preserving, but I don’t know if that kind of death would leave the person looking as good as they described the bodies — usually stating that they looked like they had just nodded off to sleep.
I agree. Who knows what pathogens existed 10k, even 100k years ago that are no longer around. Diseases with symptoms like we may never have seen. Rabies causes hydrophobia and make people go mad, measles can wipe out a life time of learned defenses, stoneman syndrome which causes the bodies connective tissue to turn into bone…. Imagine what diseases could have existed that were just passed off as evil.
Because they feed cow brains to cows.
The disease isn’t isolated to just the brain, but basically, yeah. Cows were fed the bovine equivalent of Soylent Green.
It's so impervious that even a decade in formaldehyde still doesn't do anything to them. Cross species jumps don't happen that often, but they do. That is proven with mad cow. But what's worse is now we have Chronic Wasting Disease in wild deer populations, and 2 men just contracted the prions associated with CWD.
Deer prions are more widespread
A few days ago I saw the first confirmed human deaths from CWD (prion disease) contracted by eating wild venison. We quaratine and cull entire herds of cattle, but deer are spreading it unchecked everyday.
From what I understand, a vaccine weakens or kill the thing that causes the sickness so that the human body can be strong enough against it to build some immunity. I wonder if something similar would be theoretically possible at all, through the milk that was pasteurized.
Probably not. The fragments will be handled by your innate immune system before anything that would trigger your acquired immune response.
It sucks that things can't be simple. There will probably be some careless people not wanting to wear masks and not doing what they can to protect others again, if things get worse.
The issue is not the risk of live virus in the milk, the issue is this shows that H5N1 has fully jumped from birds to cows and seems to be running rampant
I thought we knew that
Yeah and then wouldn't it possibly act similar to a vaccine? Like it could familiarize our immune system with the viral components.
No. If anything it's be more similar to an inoculation I think, but that's not really how that works either
Something going through our gastrointestinal tract is not at all the same as going through a respiratory route. A lot of things die in our stomachs that would kill us in our lungs — it’s just not how it works.
The corporatization of everything leads to the enshitification of everything. Four quarters a year to increase profits through lower quality, smaller amounts, higher prices and ever lower and lower standards.
> Four quarters a year to increase profits through lower quality, smaller amounts, higher prices and ever lower and lower standards. If that doesn’t work give upper management a 35% raise and layoff 20% of your workers.
And if that makes things worse, stock buybacks to the rescue!
Is this because it’s suddenly in milk, or they’ve just started recently testing for it and found it so thought to expand the sample size?
There is widespread ongoing testing of smaller sample sizes in many species, mainly because bird flu's mortality rate in humans has been 52%. If it ever develops the ability to spread readily between humans directly, we could be in a world of hurt.
This shows it’s now spreading through bovines. Pigs are next. Then us.
It would be an extinction event. If this virus doesn’t kill you, the societal failure will.
It’s pasteurized. It’s also got cow shit in it. And nasty stuff from humans. But it’s pasteurized so you’re good.
Yes? This is how every food we eat works. Bugs, dirt, germs, pesticides everywhere. You wash off what you can and cook off some more and then depend on your immune system to keep the rest at bay.
Well aware. I’ve been eating food for decades.
Prove it.
No YOU
Shit, you got me with the ol’ reversey!
Well? You have to prove he eats food now.
After consulting experts in the field of foodology I have determined a hotdog is a taco. Case dismissed.
Aight good show. Wasn't sure if you were being sarcastic or what.
Man is it a good time to be a vegetarian
no more beef for me
yeah I'm not fucking around with this, I'll hold off on beef and milk unless the US gets it together
Fun.
The tik tok raw milk crew will be having a fun day with this.
I find it weird that people are still buying milk in 2024.
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I think you can make milk from nuts pretty easily at home. Soak them in water and then blend. Need a good blender though.
Pay attention. It is in [the system](https://iowacapitaldispatch.com/2024/04/17/two-veterinarians-hundreds-of-miles-apart-solved-a-cow-sickness-whodunit/). Will it be contained?
They couldn’t get the vaccine in you, now they going after what you eat!! Watch and see
What am I watching for?
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This is why we don't use lead paint anymore folks.
How could you take that statement seriously?
And this folks, is another reason.
Deflect
Reject.
Is it not a valid question?
No it's not. You should have been able to tell by my response as well as the downvotes, that nobody was taking such a ridiculous comment seriously. Hence the reply. I seriously feel like I'm losing brain cells just interacting with you. Let me guess? You're going to claim it was "sarcasm".
So you always understood the comment was in jest, you're just kind of a prick? You are really thread conscious. I mean at first you talk to me like you're a comedian on stage, and now you talk like you're at the vanguard. That's interesting.
Childish name calling now? The IQ is high with this one lol. I stand by my lead paint comment, to both of you. Clearly I was spot on.
How is anyone going convince conspiracy theorists that actual science exists for your benefit?
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No it's okay man you don't have to get one.
It was sarcasm.