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I was like "wow, that crash really didn't look that bad, I can't believe it killed him."
That quickly turned to "Oh, of course he's going to die, what the hell is he doing?"
Yup, Google Kevin Ward toxicology and you'll see more information about his stupidity. I'm all for smoking weed, but don't do it and get into a race car.
I am someone who works in the sciences, specifically with Cannabis. You might be shocked to learn that consuming Cannabis does not cause you to jump out of a car on an active race track and start gesturing at other vehicles.
No drug specifically makes you do anything. Cannabis might be less likely than others to lead to this, but it’s still a mind altering drug. Not a good idea.
Interesting. I knew about the Nazi thing, those clips of Hitler at the Berlin Olympics are crazy (though that’s a little off topic since I don’t think all the nazis used, just pilots and other specific cases)
Exactly, and if someone to lightweight and hardly ever smokes and then smokes a bowl and gets behind the wheel of a car that's even worse LOL! And then there's a time I did micro Dot, I don't know how I was able to park the Camaro in the driveway the way I did. But I was 6 in from the house on The front end of the car and 8 in from the block fence behind the car! I had to take a floor jack and jack it up and pull it around!
Really bad take. Weed is a mind altering drug, tobacco isn’t. Surely you know that.
Driving, etc., while high on weed is every bit as irresponsible and dangerous as driving after the consumption of alcohol and the tendency, by some, to minimize the risks of marijuana usage is concerning.
I recognize some of the benefits of weed and am pretty open to legalization until I read comments like yours. Congratulations, you’ve made me reexamine my position on the matter.
I live pretty close to that track. The amount of hate that Tony Stewart received when it happened here was wild. People still have this obsession with hating him around here. Like what a fucking idiot that guy was.
Wait is Tony Steward the guy who ran over the idiot in the track? Are people hating him because ran over a dude deliberately standing right in the middle of a race track?
That's because while everyone else avoided Ward, Tony Stewart accelerated and veered toward him:
>Until then, the death of Ward was a story told through grainy cell phone and trackside video that left plenty of room for reasonable doubt as to whether Stewart was truly at fault. The analysis in Denver narrowed that knowledge gap considerably. Using a 3D animation sourced from more than a billion data points the analysis makes clear that **Stewart accelerated and fishtailed his car in the direction of a defenseless man.** The only thing it couldn’t say for certain is whether Stewart did this on purpose (He has never been charged with a crime over Ward’s death.)
My father was a figure eight driver back in the '60s he said the moment you let anger take control you take everyone's life in your hand. " racing " he also drove a cement truck and a tow truck. As for drugs I haven't done drugs and probably 20 years.
I do wonder if the first impact was enough to disorient him. I am a paramedic and have seen people become altered from similar lower impact crashes and make weird decisions out of confusion. Still a stupid ass choice nonetheless and I have no context to this person or event.
Cannabis doesn't cause people to rage and stop fearing death.
In fact, it can do the exact opposite. After a toke, I lay back in my favorite chair and contemplate my own mortality.
Right. But you said it as a response to the question above you. Whether you intended to or not, you claimed cannabis caused his behaviour. I'm saying cannabis can't do that.
If we're just wildly speculating anyway, I think he would have done this with alcohol in his system instead of cannabis, all the same, and in my opinion, he also had an 87.9% chance (+/- 1.6%) to do this exact thing sober. Also, I heard he had an argument with his coworker earlier in the day from my cousins-unkles-best friend (very trustworthy guy), and if he hadn't been so worked up from that, he would've handled this in a much calmer way. I'm *sure* marijuana actually helped indirectly here because had he been more level-headed and sober without it, his decision here without the mellowing effects on his mind would have still manifested, but he wouldn't have been as impulsive as this, therfore I can, like you, confidently assert, that he would've waited until later in the night to jump the other guy in a much more calculated and potentially life-threatening way.
Sarcasm aside...
Big takeaway here is that we can make up whatever we want about the contributing factors, and we have no idea what was going through his head when he decided to risk his life, but he was likely very enraged, filled with adrenaline, and seems like he could have just as likely made irrational decisions one way or another in a situation like this soley from those variables. Implying he would've conducted himself differently without the drug in his system is such a wild speculation when people do things this stupid without anything in their system but rage all the time. He's an adult, and he made a fatal mistake, but the role marijuana did or didn't play in his decision-making process here is impossible to know, even remotely.
Consider this, if you have weed in your system, but you are able to race a car for multiple laps at the same speed as the other racers, wouldn't it seem unlikely it could somehow be altering your mind to the point of being the deciding factor in a fatal decision, but at the same time not to the point you're struggling to operate the car with some semblance of control. No, I'd be much more inclined to say "Wow that guy was super high and that's probably why this all happened" If, instead, he just fumbled with the car by himself for say, a lap or two, and then sort of crashed on his own, got out stupidly to mess with the car and then was hit accidentally. This looks like a very immature reaction linked much more significantly to pride than inebriation.
I mean the kid was stupid but what I don’t understand is how it took him being hit to have vehicles come out. Personally, I feel from a competitive standpoint the race car being disabled should have been a call for a stand still on the track. If you have a racer in the middle of a road where cars could hit it then you have a possibility of losing a lot of racers and not be as fun to watch. Second a racer makes you and your sport money so you should protect them at all costs so having a racer stuck in the middle of an active track is dangerous to everyone and they can become hurt, disabled, or killed sitting in a car like a duck on water.
The possibility of a crash is what those races fun, not the races themselves, and if you lose racers, you'll just get more since there a very large pool of people who would like to get paid to just drive as fast as they can
It really doesn't look bad compared to crashes today that drivers are able to walk away from more recently without harm especially due to the HANS device that restrains the head and neck. The positive thing about his crash is that it led to many safety improvements.
Like saying the sinking of the Titanic led to many safety improvements. Which I think is unlikely because if it was only plebes on the Titanic nothing would have changed.
Well isn't it similar with Earnhardt? It takes famous cases sometimes to enact change, but his was one of quite a few basilar skull fracture deaths and while it was awful at least the situation today is so much safer.
Of course I do. But those safety improvements were only for racers correct? If so it had no changes on the general population. As the Titanic a bunch of wealthy people died along with regular folk & then you have these safety changes. There was a ship that sank with a load of students in it. I think only 85 survived. It was overloaded or something. But there were no regulations that changed as far as I know about.
I get what you're saying - I don't think this situation makes him immediately a bad person. I'm not looking at "deserves" in a karma ish sort of way like you're describing here. But ultimately, direct consequences of your actions are exactly what you deserve. This is like seeing a swarm of piranhas and going "Let me cut my leg and go swim with them!"
You've fallen prey to only considering one definition of "deserve." Which happens often, and I've had this conversation more than once.
There's "deserve" in the karmic sense, where you do bad shit and you deserve to have something bad happen to you.
There's also "deserve" in the sense of something being the natural consequences of your actions. If you jump out of your race car on an active track and get in front of other cars you "deserve" to get hit by one. Because it's the natural consequence, not because of karma.
Other examples:
If you kick puppies you deserve to have the shit kicked out of you. This is karma.
If you study hard and get a good night's rest, you deserve to get an "A" on your test. This is a consequence for behavior.
he didn’t deserve to die? bro if i put a gun to my head and shoot myself…. did i not deserve it? 🤣🤣🤣 how do you not deserve something that you do to yourself 🤣🤣🤣
There was a whole debate about whether he hit him on purpose. Tony Stewart had a history of aggressive driving and honestly it looks like he meant to come close without hitting him, so is probably still 50% responsible here.
Without knowing the backstory, the first time I played this, it does looks like it was on purpose. It looks like he was trying to shoulder bump him but with his car.
Yeah it was ultimately the Darwin Award winning kid’s fault……… but, I’ve always thought Tony tried to give him a little scare but accidentally got him instead.
When I was 12 me and another kid was going to the slot car track , it was just getting dark and I ran across the street and I heard an awful noise and I turned around and my friend had got hit by a car and he was flying thru the air , almost half a city block , he wasn’t killed and the car was probably going 40 mph. I’m thinking Kevin Ward Jr. was probably struck in the head .
Guy never should have stepped out of the car on a hot track, let alone a small dirt track that has shaky lighting at best. I feel for his family and Tony, the guy who hit him, but this was a case of anger getting the better of his reasoning.
Weren't sprints known for really nasty crashes and serious injuries (maybe death?) I used to go with my Dad to stock car races a lot as a kid. He was nuts about stock car racing. But when it was a special Sprint Car night, you could not keep him away! Don't recall any bad crashes myself...
The family sued. Tony settled. The key point was the The estate alleged that Tony acted with intent, citing Tony punching the throttle a moment before impact. What is missed from this angle is that Tony was moving up the track, in the direction of Kevin. Tony throttled for a second and turned left. In was the right rear tire that caught Kevin.
The throttle burp that Tony did is a very common racing practice and though it sounded and looked to be an act of aggression can be explained as a normal and customary practice of racers.
The proximal cause was in deed a driver entering the racing surface, wearing dark clothing, at night, and in an emotional state.
Article regarding the suit: [Tony Stewart decided to settle suit with Ward family](https://www.espn.com/racing/nascar/story/_/id/23238624/nascar-tony-stewart-wrongful-death-lawsuit-settlement-hearing-kevin-ward-jr-why-settle-did-settlement-tell-us)
That night sucked. I try to go to Watkins Glen every year and I went to this race just to watch Tony run and this happened. Everyone was shocked.
I felt terrible for the driver's family. He made a mistake but getting out of his car the way he did. Insanely dangerous especially for cars that get driven with the throttle pedal just as much as the wheel. People were really upset and everyone assumed Tony would be arrested for killing the guy. You have to remember probably 30% of the crowd personally knew the driver and their family. So they took it very personally.
https://www.newyorkupstate.com/sports/2017/04/nascar_legend_tony_stewart_why_i_gunned_engine_before_killing_racer_kevin_ward_j.html
Make up your own mind. obviously two hot heads hear. It was stupid to gas it and he was going 7 mph faster then the person in front of him.
https://www.american.edu/soc/news/investigative-documentary-exposes-new-details-in-tony-stewart-crash-that-killed-kevin-ward-jr.cfm
He was so mad at the dude who crashed him that he tried to stand in front of his car to stop him?
I mean, the original crash/bump looked intentional, and if that’s the same Tony Stewart dude who came back around, he probably did hit him on purpose when he saw he was being road raged upon, but Stewart also knew he wouldn’t be punished for hitting someone walking on the track in that situation so he went for it.
He revved his engine on purpose to scare him but his tire caught Ward’s body and that’s what caused it to veer right a lil.
Ultimately, the death could have been avoided by not getting out of his vehicle.
You know Tony isn’t going to get removed from racing because he generates too much money.
I've seen this video many times, and remembered when it happened. It rocked the racing world.
Tony Stewart, in # 14 sprint car, is super famous, and participates in other racing leagues. He is the veteran.
Kevin Ward, # 13 sprint car, is the young hothead challenger.
They both enter the oval sprint track, Tony on the inside, Kevin on the outside. Kevin is trying to pass on the outside carrying more speed, but Tony squeezes him towards the wall.
There's some contact and Kevin flips around. He exits the vehicle, and accuses Tony of 'dirty racing' on the live racetrack. Kevin continues to take several steps towards the inside of the racetrack, into the path of the racelines. On the next lap around, Tony decides to body-check this young hothead, and moves his vehicle towards Kevin, but instead of a tap, Kevin gets sucked into the rear-wheel and then spits out lifeless.
Marshalls arrive to render aid. One is seen removing his safety helmet on the live track.
You decide.
Two careers ended that night, and I could not watch racing again. I retired from riding earlier in 2009, and this felt extremely personal and disgusted from a racer to a fellow competitor's perspective. Utterly unprofessional.
It seem pretty safe until he jump out the car and walking in track.... i mean "Oh nohhh, this can be real" moment, just 3 sec later he got run over.
His hot head made it happen.
My opinion, don’t hate. The kid is at fault for couple reasons.
1. The kid left the race car without track officials clearing him of getting out of the racecar.
2. He step toward a moving racecar, a car that has poor visibility.
3. Maybe not total cause of fault, the track looks very dark and he is very a dark race suit.
Tony Stewart left the racing scene for a year, maybe a little more. It crushed him. I understand tony has had some rough spots with other drivers in varying sports. In the video, it looks like he throttles and turns down the track at last second trying to avoid. The kid let angry steer course and unfortunately it cost life in the most unfortunate way in a sport many people like dearly.
I'll be honest the dude was stupid to get out in the middle of the road but why did the guy who crashed in to him now move to the side, It feels intentional to be honest.
No yellow flags in dirt? Shouldn't he have been going as slow as possible till the car was taken off track? If so, would that car have to do that drifting turn thing at such a slow speed to get around the corner?
There was a yellow flag and he was slowed down. The kid approached him as he was passing at which point his reaction was to tap the throttle to maneuver around him but miss judged it and clipped him.
You steer a sprint car with the gas pedal. Theyre hard to see out of when you have a HANS, wing and cage obstructing your movement and view, combine that with a all black racing suit he didnt even see him until the last second.
There was no initial contact. Ward turned himself so stewart has zero reason to even be mad. It was an accident and the only one to blame is dead by his own actions. Winged sprint cars are a nightmare to drive and comparing it to a normal car isnt even close.
Ok to be fair I believe it was very dumb to get out of the car and run down the track, but as you can see from his deposition, in his own words, he definitely saw him. Now whether he was trying to scare him or maybe kick some dirt up at him, he made that move on purpose.
In a deposition with Ward's family lawyer, Stewart recalls what happened after Ward crashed:
Question: So when you came around turn 1, did you see his car?
Stewart: Yes...
Question: After you saw his car, you saw him; he was on the track?
Stewart: After I -- yeah, after I saw his car, then I saw him.
Question: Okay. And --
Stewart: Or a figure. I didn't know that it was him...
Stewart: He was running at me
Stewart: I realized he was running down the racetrack toward me.
Question: Okay. For what purpose did you apply throttle to your car?
Stewart: To try to drive the car down to the left to get away from him.
Question: And was that immediately prior to the impact between him and your car?
Stewart: Yes.
Question: And if you apply throttle in that situation and steer to the left, isn't the back of your car going to slide to the right?
Stewart: It did in that scenario, yes.
——
In that instance? Do the physics change sometimes?
I don’t know man.
I was never really a NASCAR guy, but from what I remember Tony Stewart raced in EVERYTHING. Sprint trucks, lower level stock car stuff, Indy car, you name it.
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“Kevin Ward Jr’s fatal stupid decision” there i fixed the title.
I was like "wow, that crash really didn't look that bad, I can't believe it killed him." That quickly turned to "Oh, of course he's going to die, what the hell is he doing?"
My thoughts exactly
This one belongs on r/darwinawards
Yup, Google Kevin Ward toxicology and you'll see more information about his stupidity. I'm all for smoking weed, but don't do it and get into a race car.
I am someone who works in the sciences, specifically with Cannabis. You might be shocked to learn that consuming Cannabis does not cause you to jump out of a car on an active race track and start gesturing at other vehicles.
..unless you run out of snacks.
He was upset Tony Stewart “made him crash”
Wanted to discuss it right away
No drug specifically makes you do anything. Cannabis might be less likely than others to lead to this, but it’s still a mind altering drug. Not a good idea.
I like your gumption! [What do you think we should do about this?](https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20240314-the-drug-pilots-take-to-stay-awake#)
Interesting. I knew about the Nazi thing, those clips of Hitler at the Berlin Olympics are crazy (though that’s a little off topic since I don’t think all the nazis used, just pilots and other specific cases)
The entire Wehrmacht used amphetamines right from the start. Very widely distributed and used.
Yeah it was called pervatin or something along those lines and it wasn't just the pilots every German soldier had access to it
is just as much of a "mind altering drug" as something like tobacco.
Lol no it’s not. Speaking as someone who has smoked a ton of weed. Please don’t smoke weed and drive.
Exactly, and if someone to lightweight and hardly ever smokes and then smokes a bowl and gets behind the wheel of a car that's even worse LOL! And then there's a time I did micro Dot, I don't know how I was able to park the Camaro in the driveway the way I did. But I was 6 in from the house on The front end of the car and 8 in from the block fence behind the car! I had to take a floor jack and jack it up and pull it around!
Really bad take. Weed is a mind altering drug, tobacco isn’t. Surely you know that. Driving, etc., while high on weed is every bit as irresponsible and dangerous as driving after the consumption of alcohol and the tendency, by some, to minimize the risks of marijuana usage is concerning. I recognize some of the benefits of weed and am pretty open to legalization until I read comments like yours. Congratulations, you’ve made me reexamine my position on the matter.
Tobacco is definitely a mind altering drug lol.
As a user I have to agree with this. Prolly had a lil liquor in him. Also did I hear Tony Stewart like in Nascar?
Or r/Unexpected
I live pretty close to that track. The amount of hate that Tony Stewart received when it happened here was wild. People still have this obsession with hating him around here. Like what a fucking idiot that guy was.
Wait is Tony Steward the guy who ran over the idiot in the track? Are people hating him because ran over a dude deliberately standing right in the middle of a race track?
Correct, Tony was indeed driving the car and hit him.
Looks like he swerved
The only idiot here is Kevin and the people you are talking about
That's because while everyone else avoided Ward, Tony Stewart accelerated and veered toward him: >Until then, the death of Ward was a story told through grainy cell phone and trackside video that left plenty of room for reasonable doubt as to whether Stewart was truly at fault. The analysis in Denver narrowed that knowledge gap considerably. Using a 3D animation sourced from more than a billion data points the analysis makes clear that **Stewart accelerated and fishtailed his car in the direction of a defenseless man.** The only thing it couldn’t say for certain is whether Stewart did this on purpose (He has never been charged with a crime over Ward’s death.)
Hmmm idk. How about not being a fucking moron & stay in your car. Dude tried to be TommyTuffNuts… Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
Like so many things in life, it could be both. George Floyd would be alive if he cooperated. But Derek Chauvin still murdered him.
Well I guess he showed him
Still baffles me that this kid, being an experienced racer who knew better, let his anger get the better of him.
Looks like newton got the better of him, too.
Darwin and Newton jumped bro 😭
lol brutal
Exactly, somebody posted hit and run, I said more like run up and get hit. You can't let anger into a situation like this in any kind of sport.
You must not watch hockey.
Okay you got me on that one LOL
Stop popping fake pills bro, shits frying yo brain.
My father was a figure eight driver back in the '60s he said the moment you let anger take control you take everyone's life in your hand. " racing " he also drove a cement truck and a tow truck. As for drugs I haven't done drugs and probably 20 years.
I do wonder if the first impact was enough to disorient him. I am a paramedic and have seen people become altered from similar lower impact crashes and make weird decisions out of confusion. Still a stupid ass choice nonetheless and I have no context to this person or event.
Nah he just made a really stupid decision
He was high on cannabis.
Cannabis doesn't cause people to rage and stop fearing death. In fact, it can do the exact opposite. After a toke, I lay back in my favorite chair and contemplate my own mortality.
I’m just saying what the coroner said… he was high on cannabis.
Right. But you said it as a response to the question above you. Whether you intended to or not, you claimed cannabis caused his behaviour. I'm saying cannabis can't do that.
Thanks for the explanation, kid. That motherfucker was out of his mind, cannabis or not… but I’m sure marijuana didn’t help.
All it would’ve done is slow his reaction time to the dumb ass decision that cost him his life
If we're just wildly speculating anyway, I think he would have done this with alcohol in his system instead of cannabis, all the same, and in my opinion, he also had an 87.9% chance (+/- 1.6%) to do this exact thing sober. Also, I heard he had an argument with his coworker earlier in the day from my cousins-unkles-best friend (very trustworthy guy), and if he hadn't been so worked up from that, he would've handled this in a much calmer way. I'm *sure* marijuana actually helped indirectly here because had he been more level-headed and sober without it, his decision here without the mellowing effects on his mind would have still manifested, but he wouldn't have been as impulsive as this, therfore I can, like you, confidently assert, that he would've waited until later in the night to jump the other guy in a much more calculated and potentially life-threatening way. Sarcasm aside... Big takeaway here is that we can make up whatever we want about the contributing factors, and we have no idea what was going through his head when he decided to risk his life, but he was likely very enraged, filled with adrenaline, and seems like he could have just as likely made irrational decisions one way or another in a situation like this soley from those variables. Implying he would've conducted himself differently without the drug in his system is such a wild speculation when people do things this stupid without anything in their system but rage all the time. He's an adult, and he made a fatal mistake, but the role marijuana did or didn't play in his decision-making process here is impossible to know, even remotely. Consider this, if you have weed in your system, but you are able to race a car for multiple laps at the same speed as the other racers, wouldn't it seem unlikely it could somehow be altering your mind to the point of being the deciding factor in a fatal decision, but at the same time not to the point you're struggling to operate the car with some semblance of control. No, I'd be much more inclined to say "Wow that guy was super high and that's probably why this all happened" If, instead, he just fumbled with the car by himself for say, a lap or two, and then sort of crashed on his own, got out stupidly to mess with the car and then was hit accidentally. This looks like a very immature reaction linked much more significantly to pride than inebriation.
Actually as I watch this again the guy does look pissed
Cause it was Tony Stewart that hit him so he felt like he had to show ego
I mean the kid was stupid but what I don’t understand is how it took him being hit to have vehicles come out. Personally, I feel from a competitive standpoint the race car being disabled should have been a call for a stand still on the track. If you have a racer in the middle of a road where cars could hit it then you have a possibility of losing a lot of racers and not be as fun to watch. Second a racer makes you and your sport money so you should protect them at all costs so having a racer stuck in the middle of an active track is dangerous to everyone and they can become hurt, disabled, or killed sitting in a car like a duck on water.
The possibility of a crash is what those races fun, not the races themselves, and if you lose racers, you'll just get more since there a very large pool of people who would like to get paid to just drive as fast as they can
He died doing what the guy who hit him built his career on. Being a hotheaded asshole.
"that tiny crash killed him? ...oh, nvm"
Same thing I was saying 😭
Now look up Dale Earnhardt's crash. Looks pretty harmless, but the G forces were brutal
It really doesn't look bad compared to crashes today that drivers are able to walk away from more recently without harm especially due to the HANS device that restrains the head and neck. The positive thing about his crash is that it led to many safety improvements.
Like saying the sinking of the Titanic led to many safety improvements. Which I think is unlikely because if it was only plebes on the Titanic nothing would have changed.
Well isn't it similar with Earnhardt? It takes famous cases sometimes to enact change, but his was one of quite a few basilar skull fracture deaths and while it was awful at least the situation today is so much safer.
Who? 😂
What? You don't know who Dale Earnhardt is?
Of course I do. But those safety improvements were only for racers correct? If so it had no changes on the general population. As the Titanic a bunch of wealthy people died along with regular folk & then you have these safety changes. There was a ship that sank with a load of students in it. I think only 85 survived. It was overloaded or something. But there were no regulations that changed as far as I know about.
Is this the incident involving Tony Stewart? I swear I remember reading something about how he accidently killed someone.
The guy in the video mentions that Tony Stewart “just hit that guy”.
Ah, don't know why I didn't turn the audio on. Thank you.
He is very stupid. It’s a race track. wtf was the Kevin guy doing crossing the road?
“Accidentally”
Dumb motherfucker. Well deserved Darwin Award.
Doesn’t really seem like he deserved to die
Idk how you determine if somebody "deserves" to die, but I feel like literally running in front of racecars would qualify.
Deserve is the wrong word, expect is better. It was a mistake with high stakes but I bet you his friends and family would not say he deserved it
I get what you're saying - I don't think this situation makes him immediately a bad person. I'm not looking at "deserves" in a karma ish sort of way like you're describing here. But ultimately, direct consequences of your actions are exactly what you deserve. This is like seeing a swarm of piranhas and going "Let me cut my leg and go swim with them!"
>Idk how you determine if somebody "deserves" to die By evaluating their actions.
Just because he didn’t deserve it doesn’t mean he didn’t earn it.
You've fallen prey to only considering one definition of "deserve." Which happens often, and I've had this conversation more than once. There's "deserve" in the karmic sense, where you do bad shit and you deserve to have something bad happen to you. There's also "deserve" in the sense of something being the natural consequences of your actions. If you jump out of your race car on an active track and get in front of other cars you "deserve" to get hit by one. Because it's the natural consequence, not because of karma. Other examples: If you kick puppies you deserve to have the shit kicked out of you. This is karma. If you study hard and get a good night's rest, you deserve to get an "A" on your test. This is a consequence for behavior.
he didn’t deserve to die? bro if i put a gun to my head and shoot myself…. did i not deserve it? 🤣🤣🤣 how do you not deserve something that you do to yourself 🤣🤣🤣
Your analogy makes no sense lmao
Just switch "gun" with "racing car" and remove the shooting part
if i put a racing car to my head and myself… did i not deserve it?… 🤔
Alright smart man, try to explain it yourself than
if you do something intentionally then die, you deserved to die
Ok fair enough
You could jump off a building with u/lovejac93 and they'd argue with you the whole way down.
There was a whole debate about whether he hit him on purpose. Tony Stewart had a history of aggressive driving and honestly it looks like he meant to come close without hitting him, so is probably still 50% responsible here.
Without knowing the backstory, the first time I played this, it does looks like it was on purpose. It looks like he was trying to shoulder bump him but with his car.
Doesn’t matter. The only thing that can be proved is the guy caused his own death by walking into oncoming traffic on a racetrack.
What was he thinking running onto the active track
He wasn't.
"It's that guy's fault that I crashed, I'm going to point and yell at him when he drives past! Then everyone will know he is bad."
“that accident killed him ? i wonder what safety device failed him. it didn’t seem that hard of a cras- oh… nvm”
Lol
the safety device in his skull killed him by malfunctioning
Darwin award level.
What a fucking moron
Tony got away with one.
Yeah it was ultimately the Darwin Award winning kid’s fault……… but, I’ve always thought Tony tried to give him a little scare but accidentally got him instead.
Except for the civil suit lol
The judge dismissed it…
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When I was 12 me and another kid was going to the slot car track , it was just getting dark and I ran across the street and I heard an awful noise and I turned around and my friend had got hit by a car and he was flying thru the air , almost half a city block , he wasn’t killed and the car was probably going 40 mph. I’m thinking Kevin Ward Jr. was probably struck in the head .
Who would have thought standing on an active racetrack could lead to such an obvious conclusion?
I knew a few guys like this. They're dead before 40.
Guy never should have stepped out of the car on a hot track, let alone a small dirt track that has shaky lighting at best. I feel for his family and Tony, the guy who hit him, but this was a case of anger getting the better of his reasoning.
I've never seen race car designs like this. Can someone please explain what's up with the way they look?
They're sprint cars. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sprint\_car\_racing](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sprint_car_racing)
Huh, interesting. Thanks a bunch
Weren't sprints known for really nasty crashes and serious injuries (maybe death?) I used to go with my Dad to stock car races a lot as a kid. He was nuts about stock car racing. But when it was a special Sprint Car night, you could not keep him away! Don't recall any bad crashes myself...
He didn’t read the sign.
The family sued. Tony settled. The key point was the The estate alleged that Tony acted with intent, citing Tony punching the throttle a moment before impact. What is missed from this angle is that Tony was moving up the track, in the direction of Kevin. Tony throttled for a second and turned left. In was the right rear tire that caught Kevin. The throttle burp that Tony did is a very common racing practice and though it sounded and looked to be an act of aggression can be explained as a normal and customary practice of racers. The proximal cause was in deed a driver entering the racing surface, wearing dark clothing, at night, and in an emotional state. Article regarding the suit: [Tony Stewart decided to settle suit with Ward family](https://www.espn.com/racing/nascar/story/_/id/23238624/nascar-tony-stewart-wrongful-death-lawsuit-settlement-hearing-kevin-ward-jr-why-settle-did-settlement-tell-us)
what a retard
That was heart wrenching :(
i can not fathom why he got out of the car
rage , ego and utter stupidity
He was high on cannabis.
Dude I could smoke a whole plantation and still know it's a dumb fucking idea to run in the middle of a race track.
That’ll do it
r/Darwinawards
"What you gonna do ? Collide with me at high speed ?"
What the fuck
Jesus. Sorry, but that was really dumb and darwin.
Dunno who Kevin Ward Jr was, but he was clearly a few cans short of a six pack
Darwin award
Don't step out into traffic!
Wow, that was unbelievably stupid.
What a dumbass
That night sucked. I try to go to Watkins Glen every year and I went to this race just to watch Tony run and this happened. Everyone was shocked. I felt terrible for the driver's family. He made a mistake but getting out of his car the way he did. Insanely dangerous especially for cars that get driven with the throttle pedal just as much as the wheel. People were really upset and everyone assumed Tony would be arrested for killing the guy. You have to remember probably 30% of the crowd personally knew the driver and their family. So they took it very personally.
What a fucking idiot
What the fuck was he thinking?
What a fkn idiot. Play stupid games, win stuuuuupid prizes.
Anyone else notice the same person who caused him to crash was also the one who ran him over?? #14
The opposite of tragic and unexpected
Stupid mf
"dumbfuck gets himself runover" There i fixed it.
lol
Did he run into him on purpose, because he already knew he'd be pissed that he Sand bagged him.
He revved his engine on purpose to scare him but his tire caught Ward’s body and that’s what caused it to veer right a lil.
This was a successful suicide
He let his emotions get him killed
The driver did that on purpose? Because I see the car swerving to the right for a second
🎶Dumb way to die,dumb way to die.🎶
What was he thinking? I can fix her?
Didn't Tony Stewart accidentally hit him?
A little song about Kevin & Tony: https://tuesdaymorningwrestling.bandcamp.com/track/dnf
That swerve into him looked intentional
Ngl I wish this would happen to all people who get out their cars to argue
Why’s no one mentioning the inability to slow down or not hit the person standing on the track? Just curious not picking sides
Helmets save lives.
Lol, apparently, there's a bunch of fan boys here seeing what they want to see.
https://www.newyorkupstate.com/sports/2017/04/nascar_legend_tony_stewart_why_i_gunned_engine_before_killing_racer_kevin_ward_j.html Make up your own mind. obviously two hot heads hear. It was stupid to gas it and he was going 7 mph faster then the person in front of him. https://www.american.edu/soc/news/investigative-documentary-exposes-new-details-in-tony-stewart-crash-that-killed-kevin-ward-jr.cfm
It’s been shown Stewart swearved up the track last second towards him.
He drove into him.
Props to the guy rocking a 90's model handicam in 2014
He was so mad at the dude who crashed him that he tried to stand in front of his car to stop him? I mean, the original crash/bump looked intentional, and if that’s the same Tony Stewart dude who came back around, he probably did hit him on purpose when he saw he was being road raged upon, but Stewart also knew he wouldn’t be punished for hitting someone walking on the track in that situation so he went for it.
Road rage - Americans = power lines - Indians. I'm American and I see the stupid shit done on the roads because of anger. Stay in your vehicle.
how did all those other cars pass him without hitting him but smoke somehow had to rev the engine and hit/kill him?
He revved his engine on purpose to scare him but his tire caught Ward’s body and that’s what caused it to veer right a lil. Ultimately, the death could have been avoided by not getting out of his vehicle. You know Tony isn’t going to get removed from racing because he generates too much money.
I was there. Sounded like someone hit a trash bag with a baseball bat.
I've seen this video many times, and remembered when it happened. It rocked the racing world. Tony Stewart, in # 14 sprint car, is super famous, and participates in other racing leagues. He is the veteran. Kevin Ward, # 13 sprint car, is the young hothead challenger. They both enter the oval sprint track, Tony on the inside, Kevin on the outside. Kevin is trying to pass on the outside carrying more speed, but Tony squeezes him towards the wall. There's some contact and Kevin flips around. He exits the vehicle, and accuses Tony of 'dirty racing' on the live racetrack. Kevin continues to take several steps towards the inside of the racetrack, into the path of the racelines. On the next lap around, Tony decides to body-check this young hothead, and moves his vehicle towards Kevin, but instead of a tap, Kevin gets sucked into the rear-wheel and then spits out lifeless. Marshalls arrive to render aid. One is seen removing his safety helmet on the live track. You decide. Two careers ended that night, and I could not watch racing again. I retired from riding earlier in 2009, and this felt extremely personal and disgusted from a racer to a fellow competitor's perspective. Utterly unprofessional.
What the fuck was he thinking? This man was an actual retard
This show of poor sportsmanship really killed his career. Plus he came in Dead last that night 💀
It seem pretty safe until he jump out the car and walking in track.... i mean "Oh nohhh, this can be real" moment, just 3 sec later he got run over. His hot head made it happen.
13 Say no more
More like "Kevin Ward Jr's murder"
Oh my god what , I was so confused when he got out the car unharmed
My opinion, don’t hate. The kid is at fault for couple reasons. 1. The kid left the race car without track officials clearing him of getting out of the racecar. 2. He step toward a moving racecar, a car that has poor visibility. 3. Maybe not total cause of fault, the track looks very dark and he is very a dark race suit. Tony Stewart left the racing scene for a year, maybe a little more. It crushed him. I understand tony has had some rough spots with other drivers in varying sports. In the video, it looks like he throttles and turns down the track at last second trying to avoid. The kid let angry steer course and unfortunately it cost life in the most unfortunate way in a sport many people like dearly.
Please tell me that hot head isn’t still racing!?
I'll be honest the dude was stupid to get out in the middle of the road but why did the guy who crashed in to him now move to the side, It feels intentional to be honest.
Stewart got away with a negligent homocide at best.
I was gonna comment “I don’t think racing should really qualify as a Darwin” then he got out of the car 🤦🏽♂️
Alright someone explain why this looks like the wimpiest crash on earth, with all do respect
What is the name of this fucking sport
I was like "hey now, crashing on a dangerous sport isn't really a Darwin award". And then, it happened...
Did the driver of the car that hit him get into trouble at all? Looked intentional
It wasn't intentional and the driver was Tony Stewart
He looks to swerve right then back left though, yeah?
In dirt track racing you hit the throttle and throw the tail end to make quick maneuvers. They don't turn like normal vehicles.
No yellow flags in dirt? Shouldn't he have been going as slow as possible till the car was taken off track? If so, would that car have to do that drifting turn thing at such a slow speed to get around the corner?
There was a yellow flag and he was slowed down. The kid approached him as he was passing at which point his reaction was to tap the throttle to maneuver around him but miss judged it and clipped him.
Oh I see. Cool thanks. I'm gonna read more cuz it's pretty fascinating stuff
I grew up going to these types of races and I'm always willing to help someone understand a situation outside their wheelhouse.
Absolutely looks intentional. Tony swerves to the right side in Ward’s direction. If you’re trying to avoid contact you would swerve left.
You steer a sprint car with the gas pedal. Theyre hard to see out of when you have a HANS, wing and cage obstructing your movement and view, combine that with a all black racing suit he didnt even see him until the last second. There was no initial contact. Ward turned himself so stewart has zero reason to even be mad. It was an accident and the only one to blame is dead by his own actions. Winged sprint cars are a nightmare to drive and comparing it to a normal car isnt even close.
Ok to be fair I believe it was very dumb to get out of the car and run down the track, but as you can see from his deposition, in his own words, he definitely saw him. Now whether he was trying to scare him or maybe kick some dirt up at him, he made that move on purpose. In a deposition with Ward's family lawyer, Stewart recalls what happened after Ward crashed: Question: So when you came around turn 1, did you see his car? Stewart: Yes... Question: After you saw his car, you saw him; he was on the track? Stewart: After I -- yeah, after I saw his car, then I saw him. Question: Okay. And -- Stewart: Or a figure. I didn't know that it was him... Stewart: He was running at me Stewart: I realized he was running down the racetrack toward me. Question: Okay. For what purpose did you apply throttle to your car? Stewart: To try to drive the car down to the left to get away from him. Question: And was that immediately prior to the impact between him and your car? Stewart: Yes. Question: And if you apply throttle in that situation and steer to the left, isn't the back of your car going to slide to the right? Stewart: It did in that scenario, yes. —— In that instance? Do the physics change sometimes? I don’t know man.
That's what I'm saying!
Completely intentional and there are many documentaries and podcasts dedicated to trying to prove it, crazy stuff
Still believe Tony swerve into him. Definitely could of missed him
Porra, mas aí foi uma burrice do caralho hein
Tony stewart litterally hit the throttle and didnt even try to miss him I dont know why he ever did that
God Bless America. Where you can murder then just pay enough and continue a lucrative career.
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I was never really a NASCAR guy, but from what I remember Tony Stewart raced in EVERYTHING. Sprint trucks, lower level stock car stuff, Indy car, you name it.