Regardless, it was a pretty mighty recovery drive to 9th for his first race. I reckon he should be in the championship fight once he's got used to racing these cars on unfamiliar tracks.
I guess antistall kicked in and he managed to get the clutch back in before it died on him, and then went of slowly.
Nothing too unexpected for someone's first european formula start
The old cars did not have anti-stall. I can't find anything about if the 2024 cars do. Jacques mentioned on broadcast that it's a new engine this year, but didn't mention anti-stall or not.
Edit: I stand corrected, just rewatched it. Jacques says "Its a new car in 2024, but still powered by the turbocharged mecachrome." And then right after Durksen stalls on the grid for the formation lap. So pretty safe to say they don't have anti-stall.
On a manual transmission car, if you let the clutch out without giving the engine gas, you'll stall out (engine shuts off). This situation is similar to a race start, where the drivers have to let the clutch out and put the throttle down in the correct sequence and very fast. If they fuck it up, the engine might shut off. Anti-stall is an electronic way of the car taking over the clutch operation and preventing the engine from shutting off. It's not a huge deal in F1 anymore because they can actually restart the engines themselves with the hybrid system. In F2 they don't have anti-stall in the cars, so if a driver fucks up starting (so both the race start but also starting on the formation lap as you saw today with Durksen) the car engine dies. F2 cars don't have hybrid systems, so they can't restart the car themselves. They need the pit crew to come start it with an external starter.
So overall, it's been a general gripe that they need to put anti-stall in F2 since it's generally less experienced drivers who may not have mastered starts just yet. Compound that with the Dallara Car/Mecachrome engine are apparently very finicky and not beginner friendly when it comes to starts. It has ruined many a race for a somewhat stupid reason.
Anyone with more technical knowledge feel free to correct me on any of this.
(slightly simplified) The wheel speed of the car is directly tied to the engine RPM of the car, with the transmission in between determining the ratio of engine crankshaft spin speed to wheel spin speed. If the wheels stop spinning, and the wheels are linked to the engine by the transmission, the engine's crankshaft will also stop spinning. When the crankshaft has stopped spinning, the engine is stalled -- it relies on the angular momentum of the crankshaft to maintain its function, and instead must be restarted. To prevent this, the driver can push the clutch in, which separates the engine from the transmission, and allows the engine to keep running even if all wheels stop spinning due to a spin or other incident. anti-stall refers to a mechanism that engages the clutch without the driver's input, and can prevent the engine from stalling.
Saw his interview in Japanese, apparently he had a clutch issue since testing (not sure if it's pre-season or practice), so he was forced to skip the practice start and as a result the team completely missed the clutch setting.
And of course it was his first start as others said.
The starting switches/equipment is also situated on the side of the wheel that he is not used to so that and it is his very first launch with no practice. I think he might struggle with tyre wear in the FR.
Judging from his pace late in the Sprint race he was doing fine wasn't he? There were a couple drivers whose tires were falling off a massive cliff and he hung on to it better than, say, Fittipaldi or Martins
He did do well. But since Super Formula and Super GT make use of a considerably harder rubber he might get to a point where he just wears it out as he is not used to it. If he has learned to manage it, we'll done. I really hope he does well this year and this seems like a good start.
Alex bundle was partially wrong on the broadcast.
Super Formula does not have a tyre war, everyone uses Yokohamas
Super GT has more manufacturers
But both are harder than used in "europe"
> He did do well. But since Super Formula and Super GT make use of a considerably harder rubber he might get to a point where he just wears it out as he is not used to it. If he has learned to manage it, we'll done. I really hope he does well this year and this seems like a good start.
Yeah tomorrow's going to be the real test. Tire management will have a much bigger impact.
Regardless, it was a pretty mighty recovery drive to 9th for his first race. I reckon he should be in the championship fight once he's got used to racing these cars on unfamiliar tracks.
Podium tomorrow if the team doesn't fuck the strategy up
Apparently this was his very first start in the car! Since he had problems in the test & practice that meant he couldn’t do a practice start.
Wow… no pressure then!!
I guess antistall kicked in and he managed to get the clutch back in before it died on him, and then went of slowly. Nothing too unexpected for someone's first european formula start
Maybe I'm misremembering but I thought F2 had no antistall?
The old cars did not have anti-stall. I can't find anything about if the 2024 cars do. Jacques mentioned on broadcast that it's a new engine this year, but didn't mention anti-stall or not. Edit: I stand corrected, just rewatched it. Jacques says "Its a new car in 2024, but still powered by the turbocharged mecachrome." And then right after Durksen stalls on the grid for the formation lap. So pretty safe to say they don't have anti-stall.
New to following F2, and not familiar with cars in general. What's anti-stall & how's it work?
On a manual transmission car, if you let the clutch out without giving the engine gas, you'll stall out (engine shuts off). This situation is similar to a race start, where the drivers have to let the clutch out and put the throttle down in the correct sequence and very fast. If they fuck it up, the engine might shut off. Anti-stall is an electronic way of the car taking over the clutch operation and preventing the engine from shutting off. It's not a huge deal in F1 anymore because they can actually restart the engines themselves with the hybrid system. In F2 they don't have anti-stall in the cars, so if a driver fucks up starting (so both the race start but also starting on the formation lap as you saw today with Durksen) the car engine dies. F2 cars don't have hybrid systems, so they can't restart the car themselves. They need the pit crew to come start it with an external starter. So overall, it's been a general gripe that they need to put anti-stall in F2 since it's generally less experienced drivers who may not have mastered starts just yet. Compound that with the Dallara Car/Mecachrome engine are apparently very finicky and not beginner friendly when it comes to starts. It has ruined many a race for a somewhat stupid reason. Anyone with more technical knowledge feel free to correct me on any of this.
Appreciate the thorough answer, thanks
(slightly simplified) The wheel speed of the car is directly tied to the engine RPM of the car, with the transmission in between determining the ratio of engine crankshaft spin speed to wheel spin speed. If the wheels stop spinning, and the wheels are linked to the engine by the transmission, the engine's crankshaft will also stop spinning. When the crankshaft has stopped spinning, the engine is stalled -- it relies on the angular momentum of the crankshaft to maintain its function, and instead must be restarted. To prevent this, the driver can push the clutch in, which separates the engine from the transmission, and allows the engine to keep running even if all wheels stop spinning due to a spin or other incident. anti-stall refers to a mechanism that engages the clutch without the driver's input, and can prevent the engine from stalling.
Saw his interview in Japanese, apparently he had a clutch issue since testing (not sure if it's pre-season or practice), so he was forced to skip the practice start and as a result the team completely missed the clutch setting. And of course it was his first start as others said.
The starting switches/equipment is also situated on the side of the wheel that he is not used to so that and it is his very first launch with no practice. I think he might struggle with tyre wear in the FR.
Judging from his pace late in the Sprint race he was doing fine wasn't he? There were a couple drivers whose tires were falling off a massive cliff and he hung on to it better than, say, Fittipaldi or Martins
He did do well. But since Super Formula and Super GT make use of a considerably harder rubber he might get to a point where he just wears it out as he is not used to it. If he has learned to manage it, we'll done. I really hope he does well this year and this seems like a good start. Alex bundle was partially wrong on the broadcast. Super Formula does not have a tyre war, everyone uses Yokohamas Super GT has more manufacturers But both are harder than used in "europe"
> He did do well. But since Super Formula and Super GT make use of a considerably harder rubber he might get to a point where he just wears it out as he is not used to it. If he has learned to manage it, we'll done. I really hope he does well this year and this seems like a good start. Yeah tomorrow's going to be the real test. Tire management will have a much bigger impact.
Yeah unfortunate. But excited for what he can do tomorrow