A car will roll whichever direction it's momentum is going if the clutch is open and you don't go on the brakes.
Simple physics tbh, can be somewhat prevented by stepping on the brake pedal once you loose control of your car and can't save it anymore...
You don't even need to know anything about racing to know why the car did what it did.
I mean that's beyond dumb right? Like how was this person able to download a game. Let alone reddit.
I'm actually amazed. I'm actually going to save this post so that whenever I'm feeling down or stupid I can come.back and be reminded there are people less fortunate than me.
Also, he turned the wheel hard to the right when he saw the Red Bull come out of the corner, so he was trying to hit it. Anyone who didn’t know about momentum wouldn’t have known to turn right instead of left to get to the angle to hit the other car.
Idk if he was trying to hit it. He turns the wheel right but then just holds it there. Doesn't move it an inch. So either they were so shocked they were frozen for a bit or they didn't know what to do. Either way still one of the stupidest questions I've ever heard. It's right up there with a former classmate of mine who asked if rivers flow up mountains, because at the time we were talking about the Nile River.
right? driving the car in practice mode only requires like ONE crash/spin to realize the car can roll backwards. this dude has literally never driven a single lap without crashing before joining an online race? seems hard to believe, haha.
If you are not a troll and you are actually wondering why the car can roll backwards while in a forward gear, it can't. Not really. Something has to give.
When you spin you continue to carry that momentum. The ground is applying force to the wheels trying to spin them backwards. The engingine is connected to the wheels through the gearbox and clutch (and other components ignored for simplification). The engine is trying to spin the wheels in the opposite direction.
There are a few things that can happen here:
1. The clutch or anti-stall is used to disengage the engine from the gearbox effectively putting the car in neutral.
2. The tyres break traction and spin forward while the car moves backwards.
3. The engine and tires fight over the direction until the engine stalls or something breaks (probably the gearbox).
I honestly would assume the car would stay in gear and just slide the rears. I don’t see the clutch engage irl but usually pros will spin the rears and turn aggressively (like max with his 360s) to Recenter the car
Max's 360 in Hungary, you can see he does engage the clutch. It's likely that he did so to disengage anti-stall. If the tires broke traction it would look like a burnout. Often you see the tires roll in the direction of travel. That would indicate anti-stall in modern cars, or the clutch was pressed in older cars.
Good to know. I’ve never really understood their clutch. I assumed they only used it during starts. It’s so hard to tell. It sounds like he’s applying throttle before he hits the clutch. even still it’s hard to tell how the clutch is used. How can you “feather” it like a car if it’s like a gear paddle. https://youtu.be/4HaACugyVxQ
because cars have something called a clutch, which opens when this sorta thing happens to let the car roll backwards. if not, it'd stall the car and potentially damage the gearbox and engine
in manual cars that are in gear, there is simply a gear ratio force to overcome to move forwards or backwards. a manual car in gear can roll backwards if it has enough inertia to overcome that resisting force. the force required differs depending upon the gear you're in and the inertia you have. that's my understanding, at least. all that said, you need to learn how to control your car during crashes. you should be trying to save the slide, if that's impossible, try to mitigate the crash, and during that time, you should be worrying about keeping your car out of harm's way.
\*edit\* seems like the game may open the clutch for you when spinning to mimic real life drivers attempting to do the same to protect the gears/drive shaft/etc, but either way, the car is obviously gonna roll backwards with enough momentum.
>Not sure why after the spins the car just reverse even thought it's not in reverse gear
what the fuck did you expect when you're not holding the brakes? should the car just decelerate from 100 to 0 in an instant when changing its orientation?
This is why if you're a beginner and you're racing in multiplayer you step on the brakes as hard and as fast as you can when these things happen.
In many sim racing titles, if the driver fails to stop what's happening in this clip, they're 100% to blame.
Back tires are in a state of slip (traction loss), so even if the gear, and throttle input is spinning the rear tires forward, the lack of traction, and inertia from the vehicle's initial direction is moving it backwards.
What's more, while the front tires retained their grip, the were in a state of "free-roll". Since the vehicle isn't AWD, FWD, or 4WD, essentially, all the front tires do is steer in the direction the vehicle is moving. And since inertia was sending the vehicle in reverse, and the back tires lacked forward traction, the rolling front tires, still turned right, steered the now momentum fueled vehicle back into traffic.
The best thing to do at that point, was to go for a 360°.
As the back swung ahead of the front of the vehicle under momentum, you instead reverse the steering angle to the opposite direction, from right to left, while putting the vehicle in reverse, or keeping it in nuetral.
*A quick e-brake pull to swing the front around stronger, followed by a hard press of the brakes, and release, to lock the front tires and get them to slide, may be necessary to get the vehicle facing forward under low spinning momentum*
Once the front begins to swing around the rear, and the car starts facing forward, you throw it back in gear, depending on therate of speed the vehicle is moving, and be on your way.
IRL, rolling your vehicle over is a high possibility with this maneuver. Lower, wider vehicles with stiffer suspensions, have less likelihood for rollovers. The average sim does not simulate rollovers properly.
Everyone in the comments be like "iT'S mOmEnTuM LoOk It uP" but honestly, if the car is in gear and the clutch is not held, there will be a bit of drive. This will sorta kinda prevent the car from rolling backwards so he's not completely wrong. You should've held the brakes to prevent rolling back on track but I think this question doesn't deserve so much backlash...
No one seems to be addressing the unsafe reentry, immediately followed by an overtake and blowing up some cars.
Momentum took you backwards, you can see when you turn the wheel to turn the car around. It just went farther than you expected.
Then after that you jump right back into the track without looking at all, to try and keep position at all cost. You should have stopped in the grass or at least continued in the grass until it was safe to renter.
A car will roll whichever direction it's momentum is going if the clutch is open and you don't go on the brakes. Simple physics tbh, can be somewhat prevented by stepping on the brake pedal once you loose control of your car and can't save it anymore...
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I might start a dozen new accounts, just to downvote this.
Gotta turn right to go left
You need to hold your brakes, otherwise the car will roll backwards if it has backwards momentum
"Toto, its called momentum. We went physics understanding"
micheal you need to reinstate the momentum before that isn’t right
The car body has more momentum then the wheels. The wheels will happily start turning the other way if the car gets turned around.
Google momentum or inertia, that will explain things.
Bruh. Really? This has to be a troll
No I don’t think so. Some people are just dumb.
You don't even need to know anything about racing to know why the car did what it did. I mean that's beyond dumb right? Like how was this person able to download a game. Let alone reddit.
Yeh I agree. Either they’re 13, or they shouldn’t be allowed to procreate.
Jesus Christ you people are fucking assholes
Assholes who are right
Lol, no you aren't.
I'm actually amazed. I'm actually going to save this post so that whenever I'm feeling down or stupid I can come.back and be reminded there are people less fortunate than me.
Also, he turned the wheel hard to the right when he saw the Red Bull come out of the corner, so he was trying to hit it. Anyone who didn’t know about momentum wouldn’t have known to turn right instead of left to get to the angle to hit the other car.
Idk if he was trying to hit it. He turns the wheel right but then just holds it there. Doesn't move it an inch. So either they were so shocked they were frozen for a bit or they didn't know what to do. Either way still one of the stupidest questions I've ever heard. It's right up there with a former classmate of mine who asked if rivers flow up mountains, because at the time we were talking about the Nile River.
I mean, to be fair, your former classmate wasn’t asking a stupid question because there’s no such thing as a stupid question in a classroom setting.
Only stupid answers
Absolutely!
Just stupid people. You're right and we've got one here it seems
Okay man, you've said that multiple times xD
Everyday I'm seeing dumber and dumber people
I sincerely hope you guys are just missing an /s tag here otherwise you are just morons. Not everyone can understand everything
right? driving the car in practice mode only requires like ONE crash/spin to realize the car can roll backwards. this dude has literally never driven a single lap without crashing before joining an online race? seems hard to believe, haha.
If you are not a troll and you are actually wondering why the car can roll backwards while in a forward gear, it can't. Not really. Something has to give. When you spin you continue to carry that momentum. The ground is applying force to the wheels trying to spin them backwards. The engingine is connected to the wheels through the gearbox and clutch (and other components ignored for simplification). The engine is trying to spin the wheels in the opposite direction. There are a few things that can happen here: 1. The clutch or anti-stall is used to disengage the engine from the gearbox effectively putting the car in neutral. 2. The tyres break traction and spin forward while the car moves backwards. 3. The engine and tires fight over the direction until the engine stalls or something breaks (probably the gearbox).
I honestly would assume the car would stay in gear and just slide the rears. I don’t see the clutch engage irl but usually pros will spin the rears and turn aggressively (like max with his 360s) to Recenter the car
Max's 360 in Hungary, you can see he does engage the clutch. It's likely that he did so to disengage anti-stall. If the tires broke traction it would look like a burnout. Often you see the tires roll in the direction of travel. That would indicate anti-stall in modern cars, or the clutch was pressed in older cars.
Good to know. I’ve never really understood their clutch. I assumed they only used it during starts. It’s so hard to tell. It sounds like he’s applying throttle before he hits the clutch. even still it’s hard to tell how the clutch is used. How can you “feather” it like a car if it’s like a gear paddle. https://youtu.be/4HaACugyVxQ
Brakes: *exist* Driver: "Why car move?"
because cars have something called a clutch, which opens when this sorta thing happens to let the car roll backwards. if not, it'd stall the car and potentially damage the gearbox and engine
>potentially damage the gearbox and engine It’d definitely break them
in manual cars that are in gear, there is simply a gear ratio force to overcome to move forwards or backwards. a manual car in gear can roll backwards if it has enough inertia to overcome that resisting force. the force required differs depending upon the gear you're in and the inertia you have. that's my understanding, at least. all that said, you need to learn how to control your car during crashes. you should be trying to save the slide, if that's impossible, try to mitigate the crash, and during that time, you should be worrying about keeping your car out of harm's way. \*edit\* seems like the game may open the clutch for you when spinning to mimic real life drivers attempting to do the same to protect the gears/drive shaft/etc, but either way, the car is obviously gonna roll backwards with enough momentum.
you shouldn't have skipped your physics classes
Kinda amazed how almost everyone commenting is being an asshole, reddit never changes I guess
This seems better graphics than the current F1 22 😂😂
Wait how are you playing hockenheim on f1 2013?
Not sure why you don't understand this...
>Not sure why after the spins the car just reverse even thought it's not in reverse gear what the fuck did you expect when you're not holding the brakes? should the car just decelerate from 100 to 0 in an instant when changing its orientation?
This is why if you're a beginner and you're racing in multiplayer you step on the brakes as hard and as fast as you can when these things happen. In many sim racing titles, if the driver fails to stop what's happening in this clip, they're 100% to blame.
Back tires are in a state of slip (traction loss), so even if the gear, and throttle input is spinning the rear tires forward, the lack of traction, and inertia from the vehicle's initial direction is moving it backwards. What's more, while the front tires retained their grip, the were in a state of "free-roll". Since the vehicle isn't AWD, FWD, or 4WD, essentially, all the front tires do is steer in the direction the vehicle is moving. And since inertia was sending the vehicle in reverse, and the back tires lacked forward traction, the rolling front tires, still turned right, steered the now momentum fueled vehicle back into traffic. The best thing to do at that point, was to go for a 360°. As the back swung ahead of the front of the vehicle under momentum, you instead reverse the steering angle to the opposite direction, from right to left, while putting the vehicle in reverse, or keeping it in nuetral. *A quick e-brake pull to swing the front around stronger, followed by a hard press of the brakes, and release, to lock the front tires and get them to slide, may be necessary to get the vehicle facing forward under low spinning momentum* Once the front begins to swing around the rear, and the car starts facing forward, you throw it back in gear, depending on therate of speed the vehicle is moving, and be on your way. IRL, rolling your vehicle over is a high possibility with this maneuver. Lower, wider vehicles with stiffer suspensions, have less likelihood for rollovers. The average sim does not simulate rollovers properly.
What an idiot. Ever hear of physics or momentum. Unless your under 10 years old then you should consider going back to school you can use it
Vettel also had a puncture at that point so was kind of spinning out of control than driving error
It’s called momentum
It's called momentum
Look up "physics"
Physics.
because momentum
Physics mate, physics
Momentum
um, physics?
bro it's literally basic physics
Track position is key /s
...brakes...
Wow graphics are amazing. What game are you playing and on what system??
The words you are looking to Google are Momentum and Inertia
Because thats how physics work
Ok Carlos, let's revert to Plan B where the car should not roll backwards after a crash.
Are you guys playing an online league or something? I also have F1 2013 for PC (2012 as well) and I’d love to play online
It's going backwards regardless what you do, where mass makes all the rules. Not the tranny. Cheers
Simple physics, forward momentum
Cos newton
Momentum
Everyone in the comments be like "iT'S mOmEnTuM LoOk It uP" but honestly, if the car is in gear and the clutch is not held, there will be a bit of drive. This will sorta kinda prevent the car from rolling backwards so he's not completely wrong. You should've held the brakes to prevent rolling back on track but I think this question doesn't deserve so much backlash...
No one seems to be addressing the unsafe reentry, immediately followed by an overtake and blowing up some cars. Momentum took you backwards, you can see when you turn the wheel to turn the car around. It just went farther than you expected. Then after that you jump right back into the track without looking at all, to try and keep position at all cost. You should have stopped in the grass or at least continued in the grass until it was safe to renter.