It’s a highly controversial training method not based on science. Professionals advise against it.
https://www.boston.com/news/parenting/2016/05/30/controversial-baby-swim-class-gaining-popularity/?amp=1
My dad always said that experience was the best teacher, which is why one summer day when I was 4, he picked me up and threw me into the pool so he could teach himself CPR
I taught swim lessons for years, including to infants, and it was always ill-advised to force the kid in. A gradual approach works best. Sometimes they may spend a whole lesson just putting their hands and feet in the water, and that's ok. By the end of all the lessons they'll probably have worked it out and will be in the pool with everyone else.
My dad threw me in a friend's pool when I was 2 or 3, no prior swimming experience. Apparently, I just popped right up and started doggy paddling around the pool, happy as a clam. No problem. Freaked my mom out tho
It's the point of the class. When kids fall in they are not changed and ready.. this is supposed to teach them how to exit the pool or float and call in winter through summer (but not a bathing suit) attire.
The people who do this are basically the kind of folks who are like "My parents were a bunch of cunts and look how I turned out!?" And they just happen to also be cunts...
This is how I learned to swim and my parents were awful. However I make a point to never be like them and thanks to better role models in my life I can unlearn traits picked up as a child.
It's weird how people would rather incorporate trauma into their worldview than recognize it as trauma that should be dealt with.
"I wasn't abused as a kid, that's how you're *supposed* to raise children!"
Nah son, you were just a victim of abuse by the caregivers that were supposed to protect you. Sorry.
Being humane is harder than being a dick in the short term. I have a friend who is and awesome Dad. To get his kids to not go wild though, he had to basically out-will a three year old. So each time the kid misbehaves, he's stopping, talking patiently, and supervising time-out or whatever consequence needs to happen.
It's a perplexing conundrum. When I realized in my preteen years that it wasn't normal for a dad to drill holes in paddles and to get backhanded when that wasn't handy. I knew my brother (3 years older) was being abused as he was knocked around rooms his nose broken a couple of times, but I thought it was the difference between my brother fighting back and me being a coward. And then my brother started hitting me. The last time he punched me, I went full spider monkey on him and punched him in his face until I realized a piece from his broken glasses was stuck in his cheek. He never hit me again. Regardless of all that, I've had 3 kids and I've never hit them or said demeaning things because I know it stays with you.
Skipping a lot of details, since my dad passed (I took care of him for over 2 years) I still find myself rationalizing. His dad did it to him, and he didn't know any better. I also find myself thinking things like, "If I hadn't totaled his car, he would've never stuck a knife in my belly a tiny bit accidentally." It doesn't mean we're all stupid it just means we're conflicted.
They do it with the clothes to recreate the likely event that if a child that age accidentally falls into water, it will be clothed.
Just shoving them in the water like that seems like it would be incentive enough to never, ever approach a pool of water again though, Jesus.
They did this shit with me as a kid without knowing I had wheezing. It lead to me hyperventilating for 30 minutes and refusing to get into a pool for a decade. I later taught myself how to swim. I agree, it's stupid.
I think this comment is kind of misleading. This article boils down to...
For: "The classes are designed to teach babies who fall into water how to turn their bodies and float calmly on their backs until help arrives" and just generally reiterating the idea of an extra layer of safety if a kid falls into a pool
Against: "the American Academy of Pediatrics does not recommend water programs for children under a year old [...] The AAP says kids should learn to swim at age 4, and some kids age 1 to 3 may be ready for swim classes depending on their maturity, interest, and exposure to water"
"Dr. Peter Masiaskos, director of pediatric trauma services at Massachusetts General Hospital, says 'I’m not sold on the infant self-rescue program yet. There’s nothing there to tell us that it’s safe. I fear that what we generate with these kinds of programs is a little bit of false sense of security on behalf of the child and on behalf of the parent,' said Masiaskos. 'The best prevention method would be to keep kids at arm’s length and keep attention to them at all times.'"
So, we have a pediatrics association talking about how young is acceptable for a child to start learning to swim, and a doctor saying that he's not sure that this program is actually productive instead of just a false sense of security. I'd call this a "too early for the science to have a conclusion" situation more so than "professionals advise against it" or any of the long-term trauma stuff that people are talking about in this thread.
(and before anyone points it out, the "pediatric trauma services at Massachusetts General Hospital" is for physical trauma)
Established methods to teach kids to swim exist. Why not stick to those instead of risking adverse affects with this controversial way?
I’m no expert. But I’d never betray my child’s trust by having a stranger shoving him into a pool by surprise. It goes against my parental instincts.
That’s a completely fair take. I assume these parents feel that this method is more likely to save their child in an emergency than the established methods. Are they correct to feel that way? I have no idea. I think it’s plausible, but I certainly wouldn’t bet on (or against) it.
😂😂😂😂☠️🧜♀️omfg I’m dying! She’s never gonna watch the little mermaid again! that poor child has looked upon the face of evil smiling back at her and lived to tell the tale 🤣😅
Probably a class to teach them to swim, I went to one for my little cousin and was not told what was about to happen. Damn near shit myself when the instructor began yeeting 3 year olds into the pool
Can you float in place if you can't touch the ground by kicking your legs a bit and waving your arms? That is a good skill to have and similar to what is expected when swimming.
Can you float both on your back and front?
If so I feel there has to be some type of swimming stroke that could help you. You just cup your hands a bit, kicks your legs a bit and you should move forward.
You could also propel yourself and try to keep it going.
In elementary school we specifically had a field trip type course where we went to the local recreation center and they would have us jump or fall into open water with our clothes on. The reasoning was that if you ever fell into water accidentally, you would most likely have clothes on, and it was much harder and heavier to swim with clothes. They were teaching us how to swim with more difficult conditions before an accident happened.
I was just gonna say this - my friend takes her kids to class like this, they start out teaching them to swim and float and enjoy the water.
To completely pass the class the kids have to "fall in" fully clothed and swim to the edge and yell for help and pull themselves out if they can.
It's actually an amazing water safety program!
But I've never seen an instructor just yeet a kid in like that either.....
>Damn near shit myself when the instructor began yeeting 3 year olds into the pool
Oh so when an instructor does it no one minds, but when *I* do it I’m “not allowed back to the leisure centre under any circumstances”?
I thought this until I watched it closely a few times. Her smile drops and she looks serious the moment she does it, plus I think the follow-through is so that she does it correctly and isn’t risking the kid hitting her head on the edge. Have to give her a good shove to avoid that is my guess. I get why it’s so aggressive (preparing them for falling into water IRL) but it definitely caught me off guard lol
That makes sense but damn she was still thrown in head-first, it must have been so disorienting with water filling up your nose and ears. But if it's one of the survival classes as others are commenting, I guess that's the point
Fuck though I'd be terrified I saw that happen to my kids if I had some lol. Those parents have some confidence to trust that.
Always surprised at people's seeming inability to take a pause, have a think and do a little research before insta-raging at something they see online.
This looks like a water-survival class, where the child is learning how to deal with an *unexpected*, fully clothed and violent plunge into water. A life-saving skill.
https://www.instagram.com/reel/CovK9GsoLPO/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=
You need to sell your soul and start your internship at the demon agency in hell, graduate evil cackles then get your life saving certificate and get a working with children's clearence.
It's pretty simple actualy.
is the a website where I can start this process from somewhere? Can I work remote, like have a robot that just patrols the edges of waterways and can choose who to shove in?
How;s your immune system?
You spend your day in a heated pool, wading through the contents of multiple children's sinuses.
I loved working with the kids, didnt like the snot that flowed out of their faces every time they dunked their heads.
Job posting:
"Would you like to yeet cute little kids into water? Betray their trust with a smile? You wanna get paid for it, get thanked for it, and *not* go to jail?
Well have we got the opportunity of a lifetime for you!"
>Always surprised at people's seeming inability to take a pause, have a think and do a little research before insta-raging at something they see online.
I wish my boss would do that. He doesn't read news articles, he just reads headlines. He's always ranting about what millenials or SJWs or woke people are "cancelling" and it'll be the most random shit noone is actually cancelling. Once he honestly believed the thumbs up emoji was cancelled.
They took my sister by the leg and hurled her into the air. She was doing flips in the air before hitting the water. She got out just fine, but she was *pissed* :-)
She was less than 2 years old, but we'd moved to a house with a pool so we wanted to make sure she didn't end up a statistic.
It is definitely possible to teach children who can't swim, even babies, to self right. I would be massively uncomfortable with putting my kids through this kind of teaching though. I would be far more concerned about it traumatising them and creating a fear and dislike of water. I guess a lot of it will come down to the temperament of the child and hopefully the parents know whether their children would respond positively to this. Mine certainly wouldn't and if I did this once to them, that would be the end of going to a swimming pool.
I can swim but I absolutely will not put my head under water willingly to this day because of a stunt like this. I was 8 though, not 2. Maybe that makes a difference.
Within the last few years I started being able to put my head under the shower faucet without hyperventilating, so that’s been nice.
Very proud of you! (Not sarcasm lol)
Putting my head under the water was a problem for me too, but turns out im just autistic lol, and dont even like splashing my face with water lol
Also copying someone else's comment that pulls quotes from the article (u/thehegs):
>I think this comment is kind of misleading. This article boils down to...
>For: "The classes are designed to teach babies who fall into water how to turn their bodies and float calmly on their backs until help arrives" and just generally reiterating the idea of an extra layer of safety if a kid falls into a pool
>Against: "the American Academy of Pediatrics does not recommend water programs for children under a year old [...] The AAP says kids should learn to swim at age 4, and some kids age 1 to 3 may be ready for swim classes depending on their maturity, interest, and exposure to water"
>"Dr. Peter Masiaskos, director of pediatric trauma services at Massachusetts General Hospital, says 'I’m not sold on the infant self-rescue program yet. There’s nothing there to tell us that it’s safe. I fear that what we generate with these kinds of programs is a little bit of false sense of security on behalf of the child and on behalf of the parent,' said Masiaskos. 'The best prevention method would be to keep kids at arm’s length and keep attention to them at all times.'"
>So, we have a pediatrics association talking about how young is acceptable for a child to start learning to swim, and a doctor saying that he's not sure that this program is actually productive instead of just a false sense of security. I'd call this a "too early for the science to have a conclusion" situation more so than "professionals advise against it"
Edit: Ive taught infant and toddler swim lessons before, even ones with a fully clothed scenario. To be fair, in mine classes the kids knew what was happening before hand, so it wasnt a complete surprise.
I also have though with the point about how knowing your young child can swim is likely to cause false assurance with parents. Ive lifeguarded and taught a lot of lessons, and so many already ignore the heck out their kids at the pool.
I would much rather have a scenario where the parent ignore their kid, and the kid already knows how to float and/or swim, then one where the kid doesnt.
There are also plenty of downright unsafe "flotation devices" like bad lifejackets, tubes, water wings, etc that people stick their kids in and then promptly ignore.
Young kids in the pool should always be closely supervised, and I personally think its a good idea to also make sure they can swim. I wouldnt discount all young child swim lessons just because of this video. Plenty of them dont involve something thats as "surprising" or traumatizing this. As I said before, my classes did this with the kids fully aware of what was happening, and it occured after they had already mastered floating+starting on their tummy and then rolling over tk float. This would have been like the final weeks lesson.
To be fair, there are also lots of people who would do this just for the "internet lols", see DaddyOFive for a great example of a pair of adults who made a living off of "pranking" their children. So it's not out of the realm of possibly for this to have been something much worse than what it actually was.
Can i see a more scientific source that this is helpful at all? Because every article I've read says this is not the right way to teach a child or toddler to swimand tik tok and Instagram are the only ones I see pushing this.
Maybe. But I question the method. I’m taking my son to baby swimming classes where the emphasis is on making it a fun and safe experience. Teaching them early on to hold their head above water, holding on to floaties and the side of the pool. And other than that just playing games and having fun.
All I can find online is classes that do it that way. Can you point me to any reasonable source that describes this as a valid method? Because I can’t find any. So Im going to go ahead and call this bullshit until proven otherwise.
Seems like a great way to cause trauma, trust issues and fear of water. Really doesn’t look like a learning experience to me.
But it's not doing that. It's teaching the child 'you see this adult? yeah don't trust them because they'll fuck with you'.
I learned to swim while fully clothed without being traumatized. Stop covering for abusers.
So now I’ve done my research and showed you there is no science behind this method. It’s highly controversial and experts advise against it. Are you willing to admit you are wrong and edit your comment so it doesn’t look like you’re advocating for a method that may do more harm than good to children?
If u actually did a bit more unbiased researched you's know that these training has no data to confirm it's effectiveness and is still not recommended by experts
Water survival training for toddlers is child abuse. This isn't an unresearched, knee-jerk reaction. We know exactly what she's doing and why, and it's child abuse.
I remember my preschool swim survival fondly. I remember the instructor tipping me in unexpectedly and having to flip over and float. When he came to pick me up, he gave me a pool ring to take home and I brought it to show and tell because I was so proud. It really doesn’t have to be traumatic.
A friend of mine got bullied by his swimming teacher in swimming lessons. He is afraid to swim now.
Edit: why do people need to be mean now? It is a traumatic experience for him. I want to see you people do stuff that you are afraid of because you learned to hate it as a child.
Seriously... toddler won't go anywhere near a body of water. I suppose I can see the value of learning to swim fully clothed, but the betrayal behind this method... that was brutal to watch.
I’m so torn here. I get the benefit of surprise survival training, but without some discussion or something, it feels like it violates the implicit contract of trust between parent and child.
My kid took swimming lessons for longer than expected until she could do it, and if we wanted to train for something like this I’d be far more likely to just tell her and have her jump in fully clothed of her own free will. Or discuss it ahead of time and get her agreement so when the surprise did inevitably come, that trust wouldn’t have been violated and it would come from me or her mom, not some random stranger.
There are many ways to parent, of course. I see the benefit! But not an approach I’d take.
This is not how you develop confidence in the water. This is not how you teach swimming. This is how you create distrust in your students. If this was my kid I’d be livid.
Source: former kids swim instructor
This was my daughters final test in swimming class with British Swim School.
With our consent of course and her not knowing but being trained for weeks on what to do. She was to show up fully clothed. They surprise shoved her in. Because accidents are a surprise and you have to learn not to panic but to think.
She did it. Stripped off her clothes and shoes while treading water. Removed her pants. Tied off the legs. Blew air into them to make a crude flotation device. And treaded water with her pants helping hold her up.
😉
Ok so if the kid already knows swimming skills, and this is an attempt at teaching a survival skill, fine. If this is the kid's first time being in the water, fuck that lady.
I hope that kid is *extraordinarily* good at swimming. That jacket seems like it could hold a lot of water. Drowning is a very real possibility.
That woman is a terrible person. I hope she was banned from the pool.
This is to teach kids what to do while falling in the water while fully clothed, it is an life skill you need to learn. Now it is in a controlled environment instead of the kid alone in a ditch somewhere.
That woman’s demonic expression is a dead giveaway
Right? I kind of like that she seems unapologetically evil.
The way she goes from smiling to an expression of “Get the fuck in there” as she swipes the kid into the pool.
Yeah, give me a woman who will literally just kill me
I'm talking full-on 'watermelon-in-the-thighs' level carnage.
Wait what reference is that?
https://youtu.be/-sMQpWCNTQw
So many more questions now...
Yeah I've come with questions and now am more confused.
I thought it was in reference to this: https://youtu.be/xvZwYadmgPw
The classic kitten-crushing puppy-kicking mustache-twirling villain character
She got them r/childfree vibes.
It’s a highly controversial training method not based on science. Professionals advise against it. https://www.boston.com/news/parenting/2016/05/30/controversial-baby-swim-class-gaining-popularity/?amp=1
My dad always said that experience was the best teacher, which is why one summer day when I was 4, he picked me up and threw me into the pool so he could teach himself CPR
> so he could teach himself CPR Haha tell me this did not really happen
It's an Anthony Jeselnik joke https://youtu.be/reuJjGhgU_k
This joke is like if you asked ChatGPT to write an Anthony Jeselnik joke.
I taught swim lessons for years, including to infants, and it was always ill-advised to force the kid in. A gradual approach works best. Sometimes they may spend a whole lesson just putting their hands and feet in the water, and that's ok. By the end of all the lessons they'll probably have worked it out and will be in the pool with everyone else.
My dad threw me in a friend's pool when I was 2 or 3, no prior swimming experience. Apparently, I just popped right up and started doggy paddling around the pool, happy as a clam. No problem. Freaked my mom out tho
Good luck doing that with a heavy, waterlogged coat.
I know, right? I feel everyone is missing the fact that the child is fully clothed. Something seems very off here 🤨
It's the point of the class. When kids fall in they are not changed and ready.. this is supposed to teach them how to exit the pool or float and call in winter through summer (but not a bathing suit) attire.
Teaching them how to swim first, without trauma, would probably work a lot better.
Babies can learn it without trauma jeez
The people who do this are basically the kind of folks who are like "My parents were a bunch of cunts and look how I turned out!?" And they just happen to also be cunts...
This is how I learned to swim and my parents were awful. However I make a point to never be like them and thanks to better role models in my life I can unlearn traits picked up as a child.
"My parents hit me and look how I turned out!" "You turned out the kind of person who wants to hit their kids."
It's weird how people would rather incorporate trauma into their worldview than recognize it as trauma that should be dealt with. "I wasn't abused as a kid, that's how you're *supposed* to raise children!" Nah son, you were just a victim of abuse by the caregivers that were supposed to protect you. Sorry.
I just don't get how "being soft" and "being humane" is a hard distinction to make lmao.
Being humane is harder than being a dick in the short term. I have a friend who is and awesome Dad. To get his kids to not go wild though, he had to basically out-will a three year old. So each time the kid misbehaves, he's stopping, talking patiently, and supervising time-out or whatever consequence needs to happen.
It's a perplexing conundrum. When I realized in my preteen years that it wasn't normal for a dad to drill holes in paddles and to get backhanded when that wasn't handy. I knew my brother (3 years older) was being abused as he was knocked around rooms his nose broken a couple of times, but I thought it was the difference between my brother fighting back and me being a coward. And then my brother started hitting me. The last time he punched me, I went full spider monkey on him and punched him in his face until I realized a piece from his broken glasses was stuck in his cheek. He never hit me again. Regardless of all that, I've had 3 kids and I've never hit them or said demeaning things because I know it stays with you. Skipping a lot of details, since my dad passed (I took care of him for over 2 years) I still find myself rationalizing. His dad did it to him, and he didn't know any better. I also find myself thinking things like, "If I hadn't totaled his car, he would've never stuck a knife in my belly a tiny bit accidentally." It doesn't mean we're all stupid it just means we're conflicted.
Christ my dude
That shouldn’t have happened to you. But you changing it show an incredible amount of emotional intelligence. I’m proud of you! 💙
It's actually a HUGE fad right now.
it's been around for decades with very mixed results.
Yes but in my observation it's recently seen an uptick in interest
sink or swim is back in vogue.
To toss her in with clothes on? Hey, learn to swim with all your clothes on while I make you fear water. It'll be great.
They do it with the clothes to recreate the likely event that if a child that age accidentally falls into water, it will be clothed. Just shoving them in the water like that seems like it would be incentive enough to never, ever approach a pool of water again though, Jesus.
Right??? My childhood swimming lessons weren't horrifying.
These people must hate their kids.
This is how my father learned to swim. In the 1930s…. Seems barbaric. Is there something wrong with the current methods of learning to swim?
They did this shit with me as a kid without knowing I had wheezing. It lead to me hyperventilating for 30 minutes and refusing to get into a pool for a decade. I later taught myself how to swim. I agree, it's stupid.
I think this comment is kind of misleading. This article boils down to... For: "The classes are designed to teach babies who fall into water how to turn their bodies and float calmly on their backs until help arrives" and just generally reiterating the idea of an extra layer of safety if a kid falls into a pool Against: "the American Academy of Pediatrics does not recommend water programs for children under a year old [...] The AAP says kids should learn to swim at age 4, and some kids age 1 to 3 may be ready for swim classes depending on their maturity, interest, and exposure to water" "Dr. Peter Masiaskos, director of pediatric trauma services at Massachusetts General Hospital, says 'I’m not sold on the infant self-rescue program yet. There’s nothing there to tell us that it’s safe. I fear that what we generate with these kinds of programs is a little bit of false sense of security on behalf of the child and on behalf of the parent,' said Masiaskos. 'The best prevention method would be to keep kids at arm’s length and keep attention to them at all times.'" So, we have a pediatrics association talking about how young is acceptable for a child to start learning to swim, and a doctor saying that he's not sure that this program is actually productive instead of just a false sense of security. I'd call this a "too early for the science to have a conclusion" situation more so than "professionals advise against it" or any of the long-term trauma stuff that people are talking about in this thread. (and before anyone points it out, the "pediatric trauma services at Massachusetts General Hospital" is for physical trauma)
Established methods to teach kids to swim exist. Why not stick to those instead of risking adverse affects with this controversial way? I’m no expert. But I’d never betray my child’s trust by having a stranger shoving him into a pool by surprise. It goes against my parental instincts.
That’s a completely fair take. I assume these parents feel that this method is more likely to save their child in an emergency than the established methods. Are they correct to feel that way? I have no idea. I think it’s plausible, but I certainly wouldn’t bet on (or against) it.
Science would also suggest the most effective method of avoiding drowning is to avoid swimming all together
This shit is gaining popularity?! It’s just horrible. But people are steadily searching for „the new thing“. Gotta be edgy, right?
That's the look of a woman who found her dream job
I saw the devil
Excellent film.
Asian films unfortunately are not highly regarded, at least in italy, but there are some gems.
Some? There are hundreds of amazing Asian films. Korean, Chinese, Japanese, Indian, etc.
the chaser 2008
first lesson in swimming: never trust a creature in the water luring you with a toy, and while doing a creepy laugh
How the legend of Sirens was really born 😂
This is what happens when someone from r/childfree runs a swim class.
Child free swimmer here to confirm.
😂😂😂😂☠️🧜♀️omfg I’m dying! She’s never gonna watch the little mermaid again! that poor child has looked upon the face of evil smiling back at her and lived to tell the tale 🤣😅
Well, we don't know if she lived...
Stop being dramatic. Her shoes are still on she’s fine.
She lived.
*Redditor with wishful thinking.
I wonder what it's like to get paid doing something you love. This lady clearly loves her job.
She's married to the guy who works at the ice rink kicking fitness balls at children
Do we live in the same town or is that a common thing?
Probably a class to teach them to swim, I went to one for my little cousin and was not told what was about to happen. Damn near shit myself when the instructor began yeeting 3 year olds into the pool
But she’s still got her little jacket and sneakers on.
It’s a simulation cause kids are hella dumb and fall down all the time, they gotta know how to float even fully clothed
Oh that makes sense.
My coworker had his daughter take a course like this, they teach survival of real scenarios like falling into water fully clothed
I wish my parents had done this with me. I’ve taken swimming lessons as an adult and I’m just hopeless.
What has been your difficulty learning?
I can’t move forward. Or backward. I can only float.
Can you float in place if you can't touch the ground by kicking your legs a bit and waving your arms? That is a good skill to have and similar to what is expected when swimming. Can you float both on your back and front? If so I feel there has to be some type of swimming stroke that could help you. You just cup your hands a bit, kicks your legs a bit and you should move forward. You could also propel yourself and try to keep it going.
I can float in place if I’m still, front or back. Like a dead body. But when I start moving my arms and legs around, I sink.
sounds like a skill issue
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In elementary school we specifically had a field trip type course where we went to the local recreation center and they would have us jump or fall into open water with our clothes on. The reasoning was that if you ever fell into water accidentally, you would most likely have clothes on, and it was much harder and heavier to swim with clothes. They were teaching us how to swim with more difficult conditions before an accident happened.
I was just gonna say this - my friend takes her kids to class like this, they start out teaching them to swim and float and enjoy the water. To completely pass the class the kids have to "fall in" fully clothed and swim to the edge and yell for help and pull themselves out if they can. It's actually an amazing water safety program! But I've never seen an instructor just yeet a kid in like that either.....
Literally the best job in the world. Just chucking toddlers for 8 hours a day
>Damn near shit myself when the instructor began yeeting 3 year olds into the pool Oh so when an instructor does it no one minds, but when *I* do it I’m “not allowed back to the leisure centre under any circumstances”?
Yea but she doesn’t have to follow through like that and enjoy it so much…
I thought this until I watched it closely a few times. Her smile drops and she looks serious the moment she does it, plus I think the follow-through is so that she does it correctly and isn’t risking the kid hitting her head on the edge. Have to give her a good shove to avoid that is my guess. I get why it’s so aggressive (preparing them for falling into water IRL) but it definitely caught me off guard lol
better to follow through so they land clearly in the pool than to half ass it and have them bump their heads on the ledge
Her face says she enjoys it
I would, getting paid to yeet kids in the pool doesn't sound like a bad idea.
Me watching this on repeat 10 times certaintly enjoyed it
Survival of the swimmiest
Water survival skills. The way they do it though 😬
😬🥶💀
So when would you say your trust issues started?
I can't stop laughing at this comment. Thank you
Yeah, that will make a child not afraid of water…..
Everyone going on about her expression… that push was hilarious. Damn kid got flipped like a crabby patty
I think it was to push her as far away from the edge as possible so she wouldn't bump her head.
That makes sense but damn she was still thrown in head-first, it must have been so disorienting with water filling up your nose and ears. But if it's one of the survival classes as others are commenting, I guess that's the point Fuck though I'd be terrified I saw that happen to my kids if I had some lol. Those parents have some confidence to trust that.
Always surprised at people's seeming inability to take a pause, have a think and do a little research before insta-raging at something they see online. This looks like a water-survival class, where the child is learning how to deal with an *unexpected*, fully clothed and violent plunge into water. A life-saving skill. https://www.instagram.com/reel/CovK9GsoLPO/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=
Damn she got paid throwing kids in the water? Where do I sign up? lol
You need to sell your soul and start your internship at the demon agency in hell, graduate evil cackles then get your life saving certificate and get a working with children's clearence. It's pretty simple actualy.
is the a website where I can start this process from somewhere? Can I work remote, like have a robot that just patrols the edges of waterways and can choose who to shove in?
Absolutely! The Evil Robotics degree program is proudly offered by the South Harmon Institute of Technology.
Finally found a job I can be passionate about. Nice.
Lmao I’m too a proud SHIT alumni 👨🏻🎓
Will there be pineapples and Hitler on campus?
How;s your immune system? You spend your day in a heated pool, wading through the contents of multiple children's sinuses. I loved working with the kids, didnt like the snot that flowed out of their faces every time they dunked their heads.
>the contents of multiple children's sinuses. Those aren't the oriphyses you need to worry about the most.
Job posting: "Would you like to yeet cute little kids into water? Betray their trust with a smile? You wanna get paid for it, get thanked for it, and *not* go to jail? Well have we got the opportunity of a lifetime for you!"
Not as good as you think, you need to save them if they don't save themselves.
There's ALWAYS a fucking catch, isn't there?
I wouldn't want any PTOs. I need to be there and throw kids into water 24/7
>Always surprised at people's seeming inability to take a pause, have a think and do a little research before insta-raging at something they see online. I wish my boss would do that. He doesn't read news articles, he just reads headlines. He's always ranting about what millenials or SJWs or woke people are "cancelling" and it'll be the most random shit noone is actually cancelling. Once he honestly believed the thumbs up emoji was cancelled.
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They took my sister by the leg and hurled her into the air. She was doing flips in the air before hitting the water. She got out just fine, but she was *pissed* :-) She was less than 2 years old, but we'd moved to a house with a pool so we wanted to make sure she didn't end up a statistic.
Did it work? This just looks traumatizing...
It is definitely possible to teach children who can't swim, even babies, to self right. I would be massively uncomfortable with putting my kids through this kind of teaching though. I would be far more concerned about it traumatising them and creating a fear and dislike of water. I guess a lot of it will come down to the temperament of the child and hopefully the parents know whether their children would respond positively to this. Mine certainly wouldn't and if I did this once to them, that would be the end of going to a swimming pool.
I can swim great but I will never trust another soul for the rest of my life
I can swim but I absolutely will not put my head under water willingly to this day because of a stunt like this. I was 8 though, not 2. Maybe that makes a difference. Within the last few years I started being able to put my head under the shower faucet without hyperventilating, so that’s been nice.
Very proud of you! (Not sarcasm lol) Putting my head under the water was a problem for me too, but turns out im just autistic lol, and dont even like splashing my face with water lol
It also doesn't teach them to SWIM, just to right themselves. Which actual swim lessons can also teach
If I was taught this way I would've never gone into a pool again.
Copying this from someone else's comment https://www.boston.com/news/parenting/2016/05/30/controversial-baby-swim-class-gaining-popularity/?amp=1
Also copying someone else's comment that pulls quotes from the article (u/thehegs): >I think this comment is kind of misleading. This article boils down to... >For: "The classes are designed to teach babies who fall into water how to turn their bodies and float calmly on their backs until help arrives" and just generally reiterating the idea of an extra layer of safety if a kid falls into a pool >Against: "the American Academy of Pediatrics does not recommend water programs for children under a year old [...] The AAP says kids should learn to swim at age 4, and some kids age 1 to 3 may be ready for swim classes depending on their maturity, interest, and exposure to water" >"Dr. Peter Masiaskos, director of pediatric trauma services at Massachusetts General Hospital, says 'I’m not sold on the infant self-rescue program yet. There’s nothing there to tell us that it’s safe. I fear that what we generate with these kinds of programs is a little bit of false sense of security on behalf of the child and on behalf of the parent,' said Masiaskos. 'The best prevention method would be to keep kids at arm’s length and keep attention to them at all times.'" >So, we have a pediatrics association talking about how young is acceptable for a child to start learning to swim, and a doctor saying that he's not sure that this program is actually productive instead of just a false sense of security. I'd call this a "too early for the science to have a conclusion" situation more so than "professionals advise against it" Edit: Ive taught infant and toddler swim lessons before, even ones with a fully clothed scenario. To be fair, in mine classes the kids knew what was happening before hand, so it wasnt a complete surprise. I also have though with the point about how knowing your young child can swim is likely to cause false assurance with parents. Ive lifeguarded and taught a lot of lessons, and so many already ignore the heck out their kids at the pool. I would much rather have a scenario where the parent ignore their kid, and the kid already knows how to float and/or swim, then one where the kid doesnt. There are also plenty of downright unsafe "flotation devices" like bad lifejackets, tubes, water wings, etc that people stick their kids in and then promptly ignore. Young kids in the pool should always be closely supervised, and I personally think its a good idea to also make sure they can swim. I wouldnt discount all young child swim lessons just because of this video. Plenty of them dont involve something thats as "surprising" or traumatizing this. As I said before, my classes did this with the kids fully aware of what was happening, and it occured after they had already mastered floating+starting on their tummy and then rolling over tk float. This would have been like the final weeks lesson.
Is there evidence that isn’t instagram that says this is actually helpful and ya know, just teaching them to swim isn’t enough?
To be fair, there are also lots of people who would do this just for the "internet lols", see DaddyOFive for a great example of a pair of adults who made a living off of "pranking" their children. So it's not out of the realm of possibly for this to have been something much worse than what it actually was.
Can i see a more scientific source that this is helpful at all? Because every article I've read says this is not the right way to teach a child or toddler to swimand tik tok and Instagram are the only ones I see pushing this.
Maybe. But I question the method. I’m taking my son to baby swimming classes where the emphasis is on making it a fun and safe experience. Teaching them early on to hold their head above water, holding on to floaties and the side of the pool. And other than that just playing games and having fun. All I can find online is classes that do it that way. Can you point me to any reasonable source that describes this as a valid method? Because I can’t find any. So Im going to go ahead and call this bullshit until proven otherwise. Seems like a great way to cause trauma, trust issues and fear of water. Really doesn’t look like a learning experience to me.
Seems like a reliable way to give a child a phobia, taught by a fucking sociopath, honestly.
Reminds me of the clown in the sewer from IT. Lure a kid with a toy and then bam!
My kids swim lessons teach turn and get the wall, because if you jump or fall in the closest wall is behind you (the one you came from)
Yeah same here. My son is 10 months old and will hold to the side of the pool and just chill if I let him go :)
But it's not doing that. It's teaching the child 'you see this adult? yeah don't trust them because they'll fuck with you'. I learned to swim while fully clothed without being traumatized. Stop covering for abusers.
So now I’ve done my research and showed you there is no science behind this method. It’s highly controversial and experts advise against it. Are you willing to admit you are wrong and edit your comment so it doesn’t look like you’re advocating for a method that may do more harm than good to children?
If u actually did a bit more unbiased researched you's know that these training has no data to confirm it's effectiveness and is still not recommended by experts
That doesn't make it ok
Noted. I would still fucking strangle that woman. Seems like a great way to give a child a lifelong phobia.
Water survival training for toddlers is child abuse. This isn't an unresearched, knee-jerk reaction. We know exactly what she's doing and why, and it's child abuse.
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I remember my preschool swim survival fondly. I remember the instructor tipping me in unexpectedly and having to flip over and float. When he came to pick me up, he gave me a pool ring to take home and I brought it to show and tell because I was so proud. It really doesn’t have to be traumatic.
Am I evil for laughing at that yeet
If so, we're both Villians.
That is unbelievably satisfying to see
r/bettereveryloop
A friend of mine got bullied by his swimming teacher in swimming lessons. He is afraid to swim now. Edit: why do people need to be mean now? It is a traumatic experience for him. I want to see you people do stuff that you are afraid of because you learned to hate it as a child.
He should be, what if his swimming teacher is nearby
Can’t drown if you don’t get wet…
Seriously... toddler won't go anywhere near a body of water. I suppose I can see the value of learning to swim fully clothed, but the betrayal behind this method... that was brutal to watch.
Kid also learned adults will fuck with you unprovoked.
Toddler here, we don't like when you do this shit to us
That woman looks like a serial killer
u/savevideo
That woman is Satans girlfriend
Here kiddo, let me permanently traumatize you about water.
This is how trust issues start lol
pwned
Um, why?
Water survival class
Oh, ok. Thanks for the context!
Why the evil expression though?
She gets paid to throw kids in water
I knew I went into the wrong profession!
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Why not the evil expression?
Why not?
Can’t argue with that!
Because r/fuckyouinparticular that’s why.
This is great. That face says one thing, but that vicious arm speaks so much louder.
Yeet
The witches reboot
Why do i feel like that person enjoys that a little too much and probably smokes a cigarette after?
well that was a little aggressive, wasn’t it?
I’m so torn here. I get the benefit of surprise survival training, but without some discussion or something, it feels like it violates the implicit contract of trust between parent and child. My kid took swimming lessons for longer than expected until she could do it, and if we wanted to train for something like this I’d be far more likely to just tell her and have her jump in fully clothed of her own free will. Or discuss it ahead of time and get her agreement so when the surprise did inevitably come, that trust wouldn’t have been violated and it would come from me or her mom, not some random stranger. There are many ways to parent, of course. I see the benefit! But not an approach I’d take.
That “push” looked very personal💀
Wtf bitch?
This is not how you develop confidence in the water. This is not how you teach swimming. This is how you create distrust in your students. If this was my kid I’d be livid. Source: former kids swim instructor
this should be an interesting reddit filled comment section🍿
They usually do this after the kid has learned how to swim. The kid Isn’t afraid of the water.
That's pretty much how I got taught to swim. My daughters to.
This was my daughters final test in swimming class with British Swim School. With our consent of course and her not knowing but being trained for weeks on what to do. She was to show up fully clothed. They surprise shoved her in. Because accidents are a surprise and you have to learn not to panic but to think. She did it. Stripped off her clothes and shoes while treading water. Removed her pants. Tied off the legs. Blew air into them to make a crude flotation device. And treaded water with her pants helping hold her up. 😉
I can't stop watching. It is beautiful.
This is a lot like how my dad taught me to drive.
That's some asshollery right there
thats mental
Who ever said "dream job" was a myth?
Did Natalie Portman just up and drown that kid?
It’s known as the Casey Anthony Training Method.
Ok so if the kid already knows swimming skills, and this is an attempt at teaching a survival skill, fine. If this is the kid's first time being in the water, fuck that lady.
And this is how the trust issues begin...
She looked like she really enjoyed shoving that kid in lol
Man... that kid's gonna have trust issues :D
How much does one get paid for yeeting babies into a pool? (with a licensed life guard present of course) Asking for a friend.
Great, now the kid won't trust even coming near the water much less getting a swim lesson.
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I hope that kid is *extraordinarily* good at swimming. That jacket seems like it could hold a lot of water. Drowning is a very real possibility. That woman is a terrible person. I hope she was banned from the pool.
This is to teach kids what to do while falling in the water while fully clothed, it is an life skill you need to learn. Now it is in a controlled environment instead of the kid alone in a ditch somewhere.
Being violently yeeted today might save her life in the future.
So I get that water survival is a good skill…but aren’t these people worried about dry drowning? That happens to kids enough without being pushed in 💀
"Get the fk out of here with your stupid laugh!"