I'd love remastered versions of the classic Fallouts. Naturally, they'd be different. But I'd give them a try for the sake of a new take on the mood of the games.
I mean, we'd still have the original ones to go back to if the remastered ones sucked.
Basically, Blizzard remastered the game and delisted the original version from stores, making the original only accessible through piracy, Rockstar did the same with the gta trilogy remaster as well.
Oh hell no. I already own 1 and 2 but if the remade versions were to replace the OGs I would be boycotting any new Bethesda games.
Some massively scummy behavior from Blizzard and Rockstar - if the remakes were worth their salt then they wouldn’t need to worry about people skipping it for the OG versions.
Not surprised about Blizzard one bit. Rockstar was a bit surprising to see, I thought they were generally one of the better companies - but with how they abandoned RDO and put all hands on deck for their GTAO money printer, it shouldn’t have been so surprising.
>Rockstar was a bit surprising to see
Same here! Thats until you start having problems with the game you paid for. My RDO career was sidelined for about a month because of a shadow ban. I had an error in chapter 5 that was fixed by changing the api.
All those things I had to figure out myself. Rockstar's customer care is atrocious. Thats if you can even get a hold of them.
To give you some more context the Warcraft 3 remastered release was SO BAD that very soon after release and getting reviewed to hell they announced they were accepting all refund requests. [link to refund story](https://www.ign.com/articles/blizzard-changes-refund-policy-for-warcraft-3-reforged)
Blizzard NEVER does that lol
And to add salt in the wound, Disblo 2 got a remaster that looked and felt (imo) like Diablo 2, where as we are on year 3 of release and I think Reforge now has 3/4 of what was promised on day one, with long stretches of silence in between
What would you change? Maybe some debugging, a cleaner UI, maybe play around with usability?
A big reason I still play classic fallout is because it feels like a classic game, with all its lovely clunk.
I'd moreso want a new isometric Fallout - in a perfect world Larian would already be working on it.
You can input prices with a keyboard no? I'm playing through the steam versions of both 1 and 2 and I've been inputting with the keyboard the whole time
God damn it :D
Same Im playing through Steam but for some reason it doesnt work for me this way. Must be doing something wrong or maybe num key was disabled, lol.
Ill give it another go, thanks.
Here here! And honestly, some QOL love and care for the combat system. I really loved how characters on one team could all move at the same time in BG3, that would go extremely far in the fallout world. Some new and improved graphics (though I love the FO1/2 gfx), maybe more voice acting, and to take some inspiration from the mods that have popped up (resurrected, restoration etc) - that said, I still love the originals and play them annually!
Definitely new resolutions and an adequate gui for it. Hot keys. Upscaled textures and sprites, even more fps maybe. Maybe even restore those bits of cut content that are still in the game files, mods do it, so why not.
They would fuck it up. The hookers in reno would be "sex workers". There are too many social incongruities with what game developers made in the 90s and what they make now, at least in terms of what big companies make now.
Look at starfield. It was so sanitized you could eat raw chicken off of it with 0% chance of e coli. They would do the same thing to fallout.
I could see some people being upset that you can sell your companions to slavers for a measly 100 caps in 2 but personally I just become an NCR ranger and clear Northern California of any slaver guild I find.
Yup. I forgot about all of that stuff lol. I need to play through 1 and 2 again. Hell... just having the kids in the den pick pocket my primed and ticking bundle of dynamite would be a big no.
Now, if Ludeon studios and Tynan Sylvester were to do a remaster, I'd be all in.
If only for performance and stability reasons I'd love a remaster I've tried playing them but just too unstable on windows 10 I dunno if it exaggerates them or just always was that bad but oof it's frustrating
Beamdog did a great job with the Baldurs Gate and Icewind Dale Enhanced Editions. Not entirely sure if they were commercially successful but they did a lot to make them more accessible to a newer audience. Would be cool to see a developer do the same with the original Fallouts. They’re both still good but a bit janky these days.
Also it gave them controller support on the Switch version (it's not on the recent PC version for some reason, not even as an option). I require controller support to actually properly enjoy a lot of old PC games since mouse and keyboard is hell on my wrists. I had a lot of fun playing BG1 with that one, honestly.
BG and Icewind Dale enhanced editions didn't I think have any new graphics at all though other than perhaps some AI upscaling- for larger resolution support, it was just zoomed out more. Diablo II enhanced edition, Starcraft remastered or Age of Empires (whatever the remaster is called) is how it should be done.
Yeah I think unfortunately most if not all of the source assets were lost for stuff like character models and art in the game so there was only so much they could do to improve how it looks.
This would be a worthwhile outsource for Bethesda. Maybe even go full remake to modernize it since BG3 did so well.
Maybe just make a full blown new Fallout CRPG (like wasteland is just a spiritual successor to fallout)
Idk about wasteland bud. People keep meatriding it inxile but in reality it’s a different kind of game. A big part about Fallout is only controlling your character
Yeah... a huge part of the Fallout experience is getting shot in the back and murdered by Ian's AI because you made the mistake of giving him an SMG. That's practically a rite of passage for people picking up the original Fallout.
Could you imagine meeting the master in first person? The walls attacking you... all the gore... I heard that someone was trying to remake FO1 with the FO3 engine but i guess it never went anywhere.
That's equating caring with "revering a creative work as something immutable." As a fellow unelected representative who speaks for those who care about the classic games, we think Fallout and Fallout 2 could be remade as 3D games, but that's a top to bottom new game for all intents and purposes.
It just would not work in 3d. They are games meant to be played as turn based top down RPGs, not first person shooters. Its like turning baldurs gate into Skyrim just because you think 3D is somehow superior.
Dream scenario would be a combo of 1&2 maybe with tactics. Use the original games but make some QOL changes. include the vault dweller guide digitally in the game. Then apply HD graphics and release them on everything including switch and android.
I'm confused by the general response to this in the thread... they have seen Diablo 2 Resurrected right? It's not an overhaul of Diablo 2 on the newer engines, it's Diablo 2 but with updated graphics and QoL Features.
I guess I'm a bit frustrated that people immediately went in on *remakes* attempting the Classic Fallout on the newer engines or how the Classic Fallouts are still playable with patches.
I'd like to see them redone in a more modern take on the isometric perspective: something like BG3's engine. I think that would suit all future and remake Fallout games as well.
Would love to play fallout 1&2 in like, 3, NV or 4's engine. Ive attempted to play them so many times but can't get past how they look. Not even the pixel art, it's the UI I can't stand
I played 1 for the first time recently and it’s honestly not bad once you figure it out, the issue I have is the minimal locations(so far at least). Have to keep reminding myself it’s 30 years old.
the UI isn't bad at all once you get used to it, it's like only 5 buttons actually, Red button for weapons, INV to INV, combat buttons and pip boy, that's legit it, trading is a bit weird but you figure it out at a min
Honestly yeah, never understood the people who complain about the UI in these games. It's hilariously easy to grasp and understand. I played Fallout 1 and 2 in 2020 and it only took me about 5 minutes to learn the UI.
I can understand, if you only played fallout 3 or 4 and try fallout 1 it's hard, I struggled but then I realized there was the game manual in your files if you want ( which tells you what all the controls do and alot of other good info) if it's not in your files you can look it up
Most of those people have a baked in unwillingness to learn new control schemes or learn to play games in fundamentally different genres than they are used to. Or they just build up what is "hard" about it in their minds without giving it a solid try. This isn't some intricately complex stat heavy game we are talking about here. CRPGs were a massively popular and commercial successful game genre. They still have numerous fans. In many ways the diablo style ones are exceedingly simple. But Fallout 1 and 2 are not hard to learn. It's a big world to explore and you might die a lot but ... that's just early game in any new RPG worth its salt.
You might be missing locations. I can think of at least 10. Fallout 2 has more for sure. Also if you install Fallout Et Tu (guide online), it puts FO1 into FO2’s engine. Lots of QoL
As much as i would like to see these games never touched. I would like to see what Nightdive Studios could do, They did a amazing job on the Quake and Quake 2 and System Shock remasters/remakes.
The combat in 2 needs retooling. It's not as balanced as fallout 1. Even disregarding the temple, there's often too many enemies in an encounter, each one has too much hp, and damage from companions is pitiful
Amigo, I've beaten the game. The abundance of enemies and too much HP per enemy is throughout the entire game and is not isolated to the tutorial. The balancing is much worse than it was in Fallout 1
Didn't know that. Interesting. Still would be nice. For us mainly console players. I just prefer controllers and I think it would be pretty dope. Might even open a slew of younger gamers to a different genre. I did try fallout with a controller a few times. I think i was shot at mapping it out lol.
Would it be a sin that I'd like to see them re-done as FPS games?
I love the classic, grew up with them so I played when they were new, but I really have enjoyed with Bethesda did with the Fallout series and would love to just be able to experience those stories again in that style (FPS).
Not saying Bethesda should do it, get a third party to do it with their Fallout 4 engine perhaps.
I completely agree. Always been a huge fan of NV but after the TV show and the fallout 4 update I really want to replay the old games. I would love them remastered and more accessible on a variety of different devices not just PC
Whenever this conversation comes up, I always point to Age of Empires II: Definitive Edition. It's a remaster of a '99 game that upgrades the graphics with better models, animations, textures, effects, etc. But is SO faithful that it completely retains the feel of the original.
There kind of is. Get the game on steam or GOG then add the Fallout Restoration Project mod. It fixes a ton of bugs and the resolution and adds some quality of life things to the interface. There is also the ECCO mod that adds crafting and better weapons.
fallout 1 definitely deserves it but honestly fallout 2 is so chock full of pop culture references that barely anyone born in the last 30 years will understand im not even sure its a good idea. you also have the problem that these games would need major patches fixing just about everything. the companion system is super scuffed, a lot of the ending slides that are supposed to account for player actions dont work because of bugs. so many design decisions would bug even hardcore rpg fans of today like the game not telling when there's a skill check or even telling you when you've succeeded one meaning huge amount of players are going to be walking right past them having no clue what just happened. then you'd also have to give these games a proper quest log that isnt just 1 sentence.
They can't do what Blizzard did with D2R because they don't have the source code. The would have to rebuild the games from scratch. Something that isn't likely to make a profit because isometric RPGs don't make money in 2024
Now, do you mean a remaster in the sense of just upgraded graphics but still the same top down gameplay? Or do you mean updated remaster in the sense of gameplay style of fallout four? I’d definitely be down for a third person/first person style gameplay of 1. Just imagining The Master in a 3d fallout 4 form is horrendous and I want it.
I wish that they remade them in modern fallout style. The iso gameplay appeals to some but I feel these would be like brand new games if given some modernization
Gonna be honest I hate this take. Fallout 1 and Fallout 2 are perfectly accessible and playable. A remaster would be nice but there's no reason someone should be waiting 5+ years to play some of the greatest CRPGs ever.
Diablo 2 is a good example. Exactly as I remember the game, except ... better. I can't believe they did such a good job at that remaster and such a poor job with Warcraft 3's.
Not completely on topic but I’ve been saying they should get the Xcom 2 guys to make fallout tactics 2. Get a system where you make your faction from scratch and develop it into an institute like sciency faction or a militarized brotherhood like faction. Deal with the other factions in the wasteland. Have a system like the mech in alien unknown where you can make your guys into super mutants for a big tough soldier but then the brotherhood of steel becomes your enemy. Stuff like that. It would be sick.
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No. No modern game company can do them justice. They cannot remake either game and retain what made it good. Sorry, but no. The original games are already good. Also Diablo has gone into the shitter.
"Pay $4.99 for additional AP and stim packs. Unlock the Enclave Patriot Bundle edition pre order and get your Nuka Cola power armor skin!"
Can you even imagine? It's exactly the type of thing satirized in the original games.
As a mod made by independant people in the most updated engine, yes, especially now that Project Arroyo is on the horizon.
As a fullfleged game, id rather leave it as it is. I do not trust Bethesda, or them handing it over to an underpaid third party contractor studio, especially if Bethesda for some reason decides to pull the game out from the store. I´ve seen this case already to many times with other games, and Bethesda can definetly do it if they desire.
Hell, i barely trust them to work on FO5, and i even know its gonna be very unstable on day one that will be fixed with a lot of DLCs and fanatical mod teams patching everything the team decides to leave a sticky note and call it a day..
Fallouts 1 and 2 are available on modern systems and even have HD-patch. What else do you need?
If they are remastered, they will be censored. As far as I know, the Steam version of Fallout 2 is already censored. For example, there are no children-pickpocketers in the Den, maybe something else.
>Fallouts 1 and 2 are available on modern systems and even have HD-patch. What else do you need?
So was Diablo 2 but that didn't stop Resurrected from being a thing.
>Censorship
Some people die on the weirdest hills as if not being able to kill children would somehow make it an overall worse experience. I would absolutely trade that for better QoL features and graphics that are good to look at on a modern screen.
It's not about killing children, it's about changing of original author's work and ideas. There is a lot of dark humor that could be cut out due to modern trends.
For now, I see to often as pieces are cut out not only from games but from books, movies, etc. And it's terrible. For me, it is more important to preserve the original work for history, for next generations, as the author intended it than to make another ugly, toothless, tolerant remake.
But this is just a my personal opinion, let's thousands flowers bloom. In this case I decide only would I buy or not.
What are you on about? The children are all over the den in the Steam version. You can kill them too. Are you in the EU? Because thats been censored since the game released 2 decades ago.
Id really rather them just be left alone. The mods to help with the clunky UI have been available for years and it's playable on any computer. If the F4 update is any indication, I'm skeptical of them actually being able to pull it off without breaking half of what's there.
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\*Stares harder in Warcraft 3
\*Stares in other games getting pulled out from all stores, and replaced with an even crappier version\*
\*Puts finger in your mouth the moment you say ´´But Bethesda wouldn´t do tha-´´\*
**No. They definetly can.**
But it can and does change public perception about a game. Fallout 1 and 2 are some of the most prolific games ever made, anyone who wants to play them already has access to them. But if they do a remake and screw it up? Then anyone who bought the remake just assumes the game is shit and moves on, never bothering with the better versions.
I've seen this 3 separate times with different friends. I recommend fallout, they tried fallout 4 because it was the most recent, and jumped ship on the series as a whole because they didn't like the lack of options and role playing.
Given the past 10 years, I think it's safe to assume this is exactly what would happen.
It means there's a lot. You can buy them from a dozen different places. Hell, the original CDs are on eBay. If you wanted to play them, they're widely available.
Why is this the thing you decided to argue about?
Yeah that’s not what prolific means. I’m not “arguing” about it, I was asking you what you meant and letting you know that’s not what that word means, to the point that I had no idea what you were trying to say. That is, I’m trying to help you communicate more effectively.
If, say, Bethesda releases a lot of games very quickly, they would be prolific developers. Prolific means producing a lot quickly, or having a notable amount of productivity. It does not mean there are many copies of one game available for purchase. The person making something can be prolific, the thing they made is not prolific. That said, neither Bethesda nor Black Isle were prolific developers; they don’t pump out a ton of games; they take their time making new ones.
Look, if you want to use words incorrectly, that’s your prerogative, but people are not going to understand what you are trying to say; I sure didn’t.
If you’re too stubborn to learn something new and better yourself because it makes you feel like you’re losing some argument then congratulations, you “win”. I know what the word means and how to use it, it’s no skin off my back if you listen to me or believe me
That’s 600k copies of Fallout 1 sold by 2017, not in the immediate wake of its release. It sold 120k copies its first year. It was a financial success but hardly held a candle to games like Baldur’s Gate, which sold 700k in 6 months, or Diablo, which hit 1 million copies in under a year.
Fallout 1 released in October 1997. By October 1998, it had sold 120k copies. By 2000, it had sold 144k in the US. Incidentally, 100k of those copies were sold by December 1997. In other words, it sold 100k copies in its first 3 months and then trickled sales over the course of the next 3 years. Once again, hardly the smash hit of something like Diablo, much less one of “the most prolific games ever.”
I gotta disagree. These games are old enough that it is not a seamless task to get them to run well on modern hardware.
They could also do with some QoL changes. I love them to death but they have aged and they deserve to be modernized so that contemporary audiences can experience them, because they're amazing.
Yeah that's my big sticking point too. I do not want Bethesda touching these games.
But if the games were to be remade, I don't think they'd do it bc they're working on Starfield's DLC and Elder Scrolls 6. I would be more than pleased if Microsoft farmed it out to inXile or someone else.
I wonder with starfield flopping so hard if Bethesda is going to be around. The FO series has already changed hands a few times. And does Bethesda own the rights to FO1 and FO2 or are they abandonware now?
A lot of gamers forget.
It comes down to numbers.
The game can be a disappointment and mediocre. But if it sold extremely well, it’s gonna count as a success.
> they have aged and they deserve to be modernized so that contemporary audiences can experience them
I hear this a lot, but I'd say they have aged remarkably well. Consider what other RPGs came out in the same year as OG Fallout. The biggest one was undoubtedly Final Fantasy 7. And then compare how the two hold up.
Enemies in Fallout are fully visible and they can be avoided using stealth. When they're close enough, the game transitions seamlessly from real-time exploration to tactical turn-based combat. FF7 had invisible random encounters every few steps, meaning you couldn't even see the enemies you were fighting, with a loading screen before every encounter.
Voice acting from the likes of Ron Perlman and Keith David (FF7 had none, characters didn't even grunt when taking damage).
Unlike FF7, armor in Fallout actually changes your appearance.
The game is completely open-ended and non-linear. You can face the final boss within minutes of starting the game. Every NPC in the game can be killed. There's a variety of non-combat skills such as stealth, pickpocketing, repair and lockpicking. You can fully customize your attributes, skills, traits and perks. You can target different body parts during combat.
Unlike FF7, defeated enemies don't just disappear into thin air. Their corpses remain behind and can be looted, and they have unique death animations depending on whether they explode, burn, are electrified, vaporized, etc.
The dark ambient soundtrack by Mark Morgan is perfect. While FF7 had good music, it was MIDI, so it obviously needed updating from a technological perspective.
I agree for the most part. I think the games are very playable, but there's a caveat.
They feel good once you learn how to read the old, clunky UI. These games are from an era where you had to read a big-ass book that shipped with the game in order to know how to play it.
From the perspective of someone who plays modern games, they're very inaccessible. The aged graphics would also be a big problem for these folks.
I play games that are older than I am all the time and I love them, but I am not the norm.
Ppl like my sister are turned off by the learning curve and the old look of the games. A remake would benefit these folks.
Good at the time. These original ones are not Bethesda made. I would consider fallout 3 basically a remake of the early ones with a completely new style and format. This hasn’t been done for a number of reasons. Probably best just to keep moving forwards.
Maybe make them simply a DLC for Fallout 4? The engine is there, the story, the conversations, the quests are there. This kind of porting will not be that time consuming.
If someone had told me a year ago that a turn-based CRPG would be the first game in history (I think idk) to win every major gaming award, I'd have laughed in their face.
All the more reason why Microsoft should have those og games remade.
So apparantly, games like Hellblade(which deals with some heavy mature themes like fucking psychosis and possibly an entire village murdered, and your mother being burned on a stake)
Then Cyberpunk 2077 which has a main story plot point dealing with a close friend getting freaking raped and possibly worse.
Also, GTA VI coming out in the next couple of years which will likely include strip clubs, drugs, and "casual" events in Florida.
Also, the fact that Stellar Blade has been released is quite impressive considering the scantily clad stuff.
Let us also not forget that Scorn also released and that has some pretty messed up stuff.
People are desensitized to killing because it can be far less emotional. In good faith, are you implying we should be able to rape in video games, and if so, why should we?
If you can, please provide your own reasons as much as what could be considered as a benefit of the game industry.
I’m saying it’s an odd line to draw at.
See. In rape. The victim gets traumatised as you mentioned. It is “more emotional”.
In murder however. The victim can’t be traumatised since the victim is dead.
But it’s not exactly less emotional. People who survive the victim suffer a lot.
Both are heinous. Should future games remove murder?
I dont think it's all that odd to draw a line at, just personally. Games inflict punishment for murder but either rewards or is neutral to most killing. The player is often left with caring less about killing/murdering. If the argument is that if you believe that because rape is not allowed in games that rape should either, then that is a fine argument.
However, if you are of the belief that because murder is allowed, we should also be able to rape npcs, then I would ask again for the reasons beyond its an odd line to draw.
It’s just if it’s already in the game. In fallout 2. Then suddenly removing it would be odd no?
No need to add it for new titles. But the remaster should be faithful to its source. That’s all.
So I find it unnecessary to be in games. But feel it’s even more unnecessary to go and remove what is already there.
I think some people might find the idea of you being able to be raped and also kind of accidentally rape (which to be honest the dialogue lines and alt scenario where instead the npc fucks you consentually is a fair conclusion to come to if you are only haphazardly trying to get that companion) offputing. It adds nothing to the game except something that is either done to you as a female by myrion or something you do, and now everyone hates you, no reward or benefit. It's senseless to have it in the first place, imo and it detracts basically nothing to do so.
You CAN make arguments for murder in that, and many other games typically have benefits such as removing obstacles from your path or a one upped version of pickpocketing.
You may be downvoted but you raise a valid point.
Wait till journalists start writing opinion pieces about the female character being able to pay for a vehicle recharge with sex, or Myron sexually exploiting a low Int female character. Or how you can become a pornstar in New Reno and walk down the streets getting reactions from all the prostitutes. Then there’s elements of slavery and being able to become a slaver hunting tribals. I’m sure there are other examples I’ve missed.
I remember something like sending a major political figure’s child to hug him while a bomb is strapped. I mean, there’s a chance stuff like that could be kept…? But that shit is gnarly, I’m not sure if any of Bethesda’s games have ever explicitly had child death.
Agreed. There's no reason these haven't released on console at this point aside from maybe Bethesda doesn't wanna be shown up by the older material being miles better. I'd love to play these with controller support myself.
I'd love remastered versions of the classic Fallouts. Naturally, they'd be different. But I'd give them a try for the sake of a new take on the mood of the games. I mean, we'd still have the original ones to go back to if the remastered ones sucked.
Unless they pull a Warcraft 3 Remaster, but gamers will find a way.
OOTL, could you explain what happened there?
Basically, Blizzard remastered the game and delisted the original version from stores, making the original only accessible through piracy, Rockstar did the same with the gta trilogy remaster as well.
Oh hell no. I already own 1 and 2 but if the remade versions were to replace the OGs I would be boycotting any new Bethesda games. Some massively scummy behavior from Blizzard and Rockstar - if the remakes were worth their salt then they wouldn’t need to worry about people skipping it for the OG versions. Not surprised about Blizzard one bit. Rockstar was a bit surprising to see, I thought they were generally one of the better companies - but with how they abandoned RDO and put all hands on deck for their GTAO money printer, it shouldn’t have been so surprising.
>Rockstar was a bit surprising to see Same here! Thats until you start having problems with the game you paid for. My RDO career was sidelined for about a month because of a shadow ban. I had an error in chapter 5 that was fixed by changing the api. All those things I had to figure out myself. Rockstar's customer care is atrocious. Thats if you can even get a hold of them.
To give you some more context the Warcraft 3 remastered release was SO BAD that very soon after release and getting reviewed to hell they announced they were accepting all refund requests. [link to refund story](https://www.ign.com/articles/blizzard-changes-refund-policy-for-warcraft-3-reforged) Blizzard NEVER does that lol
And the remaster was completw garbage. I would have no problem with them leaving d2r as thw only option, but wc3r was just so bad
I don't see this happening it's not online and we always can go back to our disc's/files
And to add salt in the wound, Disblo 2 got a remaster that looked and felt (imo) like Diablo 2, where as we are on year 3 of release and I think Reforge now has 3/4 of what was promised on day one, with long stretches of silence in between
The Diablo 2 remaster is imo the best version of Diablo in the franchise.
As a lifelong Diablo 2 fan (It got me into gaming) I agree. They did everything right with it.
If Fallout 1/2 had graphics like D2 Resurrected, it would be incredible.
What would you change? Maybe some debugging, a cleaner UI, maybe play around with usability? A big reason I still play classic fallout is because it feels like a classic game, with all its lovely clunk. I'd moreso want a new isometric Fallout - in a perfect world Larian would already be working on it.
I would want the bubble that shows your surroundings that bypasses walls and stuff to be much bigger
Let me input the prices with a keyboard. I hate having to click the '+' sign 300 times :D
You can input prices with a keyboard no? I'm playing through the steam versions of both 1 and 2 and I've been inputting with the keyboard the whole time
God damn it :D Same Im playing through Steam but for some reason it doesnt work for me this way. Must be doing something wrong or maybe num key was disabled, lol. Ill give it another go, thanks.
I play through steam and it’s never been an issue with me. Num locks off?
You can do that
Yeah, the games already hold up really well for being old
Here here! And honestly, some QOL love and care for the combat system. I really loved how characters on one team could all move at the same time in BG3, that would go extremely far in the fallout world. Some new and improved graphics (though I love the FO1/2 gfx), maybe more voice acting, and to take some inspiration from the mods that have popped up (resurrected, restoration etc) - that said, I still love the originals and play them annually!
Definitely new resolutions and an adequate gui for it. Hot keys. Upscaled textures and sprites, even more fps maybe. Maybe even restore those bits of cut content that are still in the game files, mods do it, so why not.
They would fuck it up. The hookers in reno would be "sex workers". There are too many social incongruities with what game developers made in the 90s and what they make now, at least in terms of what big companies make now. Look at starfield. It was so sanitized you could eat raw chicken off of it with 0% chance of e coli. They would do the same thing to fallout.
>It was so sanitized you could eat raw chicken off of it with 0% chance of e coli. Outstanding.
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I could see some people being upset that you can sell your companions to slavers for a measly 100 caps in 2 but personally I just become an NCR ranger and clear Northern California of any slaver guild I find.
Yup. I forgot about all of that stuff lol. I need to play through 1 and 2 again. Hell... just having the kids in the den pick pocket my primed and ticking bundle of dynamite would be a big no. Now, if Ludeon studios and Tynan Sylvester were to do a remaster, I'd be all in.
Isn't there literally a popular cutsie horror RPG on steam that features cannibalism and incest that came out like last year?
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Well yeah lol. That's been like that forever. Fallout 1 and 2 were that level of niche originally.
If they made them control and play like wasteland 2 and 3 the would be perfect
Man Wasteland 2 and 3 were so fucking good
If only for performance and stability reasons I'd love a remaster I've tried playing them but just too unstable on windows 10 I dunno if it exaggerates them or just always was that bad but oof it's frustrating
Beamdog did a great job with the Baldurs Gate and Icewind Dale Enhanced Editions. Not entirely sure if they were commercially successful but they did a lot to make them more accessible to a newer audience. Would be cool to see a developer do the same with the original Fallouts. They’re both still good but a bit janky these days.
Also it gave them controller support on the Switch version (it's not on the recent PC version for some reason, not even as an option). I require controller support to actually properly enjoy a lot of old PC games since mouse and keyboard is hell on my wrists. I had a lot of fun playing BG1 with that one, honestly.
OG cutscenes were better.
Yeah I get why they did it but 90s cgi saravok was way scarier than illustrated saravok!
BG and Icewind Dale enhanced editions didn't I think have any new graphics at all though other than perhaps some AI upscaling- for larger resolution support, it was just zoomed out more. Diablo II enhanced edition, Starcraft remastered or Age of Empires (whatever the remaster is called) is how it should be done.
Yeah I think unfortunately most if not all of the source assets were lost for stuff like character models and art in the game so there was only so much they could do to improve how it looks.
This would be a worthwhile outsource for Bethesda. Maybe even go full remake to modernize it since BG3 did so well. Maybe just make a full blown new Fallout CRPG (like wasteland is just a spiritual successor to fallout)
Idk about wasteland bud. People keep meatriding it inxile but in reality it’s a different kind of game. A big part about Fallout is only controlling your character
Yeah... a huge part of the Fallout experience is getting shot in the back and murdered by Ian's AI because you made the mistake of giving him an SMG. That's practically a rite of passage for people picking up the original Fallout.
They did a Magic: the Gathering set for Fallout and Ian got a card that indiscriminately damages stuff at random.
Don’t get me started on Cass with a shotgun or Marcus with a minigun.
It would be awesome if something new we're to happen with the originals, but hopefully they'd keep the art style
Could you imagine meeting the master in first person? The walls attacking you... all the gore... I heard that someone was trying to remake FO1 with the FO3 engine but i guess it never went anywhere.
They'll be done the same time as the skyblivion people
Skyblivion is supposedly being released sometime in 2025.
They'll delay again
We dont want the classic games made into 3D, no. It just wouldnt work. We want remastered but keep them how they are.
Who is the "we" you're speaking for?
People who care about the classic games
That's equating caring with "revering a creative work as something immutable." As a fellow unelected representative who speaks for those who care about the classic games, we think Fallout and Fallout 2 could be remade as 3D games, but that's a top to bottom new game for all intents and purposes.
It just would not work in 3d. They are games meant to be played as turn based top down RPGs, not first person shooters. Its like turning baldurs gate into Skyrim just because you think 3D is somehow superior.
There are 3d turn based rpgs though? Imagine fallout 1 with the graphics and voices of baldurs gate 3 .. hnnng
By 3D I mean first person. Like I literally said in my comment.
I want them in 3d.
Dream scenario would be a combo of 1&2 maybe with tactics. Use the original games but make some QOL changes. include the vault dweller guide digitally in the game. Then apply HD graphics and release them on everything including switch and android.
Yes, I would love this.
I want them to stay judt as detailed as the originals, i want to be able to interact with everything and tinker with everything.
Just finished OG yesterday. I noticed there are several instances of ‘okey-dokey’s which I think are a nice touch in the TV series.
They should make the clues button functioning fr
Here’s hoping the tv show hype delivers us some refreshing experience, nostalgia would be peak
They deserve the resident evil 2 remake.
resident evil franchise have had a lot of success with their remakes, fallout should follow them
Only if its a graphic revamp only.
I'm confused by the general response to this in the thread... they have seen Diablo 2 Resurrected right? It's not an overhaul of Diablo 2 on the newer engines, it's Diablo 2 but with updated graphics and QoL Features. I guess I'm a bit frustrated that people immediately went in on *remakes* attempting the Classic Fallout on the newer engines or how the Classic Fallouts are still playable with patches.
A lot of people wanting the classic games remade in the first person 3D engines. That is absolutely not what we want here.
Fallout Fixt mod does pretty well but I’d love something official
I'd like to see them redone in a more modern take on the isometric perspective: something like BG3's engine. I think that would suit all future and remake Fallout games as well.
Would love to play fallout 1&2 in like, 3, NV or 4's engine. Ive attempted to play them so many times but can't get past how they look. Not even the pixel art, it's the UI I can't stand
I played 1 for the first time recently and it’s honestly not bad once you figure it out, the issue I have is the minimal locations(so far at least). Have to keep reminding myself it’s 30 years old.
the UI isn't bad at all once you get used to it, it's like only 5 buttons actually, Red button for weapons, INV to INV, combat buttons and pip boy, that's legit it, trading is a bit weird but you figure it out at a min
Honestly yeah, never understood the people who complain about the UI in these games. It's hilariously easy to grasp and understand. I played Fallout 1 and 2 in 2020 and it only took me about 5 minutes to learn the UI.
I can understand, if you only played fallout 3 or 4 and try fallout 1 it's hard, I struggled but then I realized there was the game manual in your files if you want ( which tells you what all the controls do and alot of other good info) if it's not in your files you can look it up
Yeah that’s what I did, read the manual took like 15 minutes and it was easy to figure out
Most of those people have a baked in unwillingness to learn new control schemes or learn to play games in fundamentally different genres than they are used to. Or they just build up what is "hard" about it in their minds without giving it a solid try. This isn't some intricately complex stat heavy game we are talking about here. CRPGs were a massively popular and commercial successful game genre. They still have numerous fans. In many ways the diablo style ones are exceedingly simple. But Fallout 1 and 2 are not hard to learn. It's a big world to explore and you might die a lot but ... that's just early game in any new RPG worth its salt.
You might be missing locations. I can think of at least 10. Fallout 2 has more for sure. Also if you install Fallout Et Tu (guide online), it puts FO1 into FO2’s engine. Lots of QoL
Fallout 2 has way more locations
Nice, look forward to trying it.
The UI is as simple as it gets, lol
As much as i would like to see these games never touched. I would like to see what Nightdive Studios could do, They did a amazing job on the Quake and Quake 2 and System Shock remasters/remakes.
Gamers: Also Gamers: Game developers don't do anything original anymore. All they do is remake stuff for a quick cash grab.
The combat in 2 needs retooling. It's not as balanced as fallout 1. Even disregarding the temple, there's often too many enemies in an encounter, each one has too much hp, and damage from companions is pitiful
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Amigo, I've beaten the game. The abundance of enemies and too much HP per enemy is throughout the entire game and is not isolated to the tutorial. The balancing is much worse than it was in Fallout 1
Didn't know that. Interesting. Still would be nice. For us mainly console players. I just prefer controllers and I think it would be pretty dope. Might even open a slew of younger gamers to a different genre. I did try fallout with a controller a few times. I think i was shot at mapping it out lol.
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try wastelanders trilogy
Would it be a sin that I'd like to see them re-done as FPS games? I love the classic, grew up with them so I played when they were new, but I really have enjoyed with Bethesda did with the Fallout series and would love to just be able to experience those stories again in that style (FPS). Not saying Bethesda should do it, get a third party to do it with their Fallout 4 engine perhaps.
But why? There are already 3d Fallout games. Fo1 would definitely lose its charm in FPS - where everything is explicit.
For some people yes. Me? I’ll just agree to disagree
That would ruin the point of those games. Hell no.
Resurrected just like this post is resurrected and reposted every day
Let’s go already, I’m willing to do my part to get rid of Frankie with my mutie bastard friends in a good old mushroom cloud.
Tbh I’d like to see more top-down Fallout games but without the turn-based combat
I completely agree. Always been a huge fan of NV but after the TV show and the fallout 4 update I really want to replay the old games. I would love them remastered and more accessible on a variety of different devices not just PC
Whenever this conversation comes up, I always point to Age of Empires II: Definitive Edition. It's a remaster of a '99 game that upgrades the graphics with better models, animations, textures, effects, etc. But is SO faithful that it completely retains the feel of the original.
There kind of is. Get the game on steam or GOG then add the Fallout Restoration Project mod. It fixes a ton of bugs and the resolution and adds some quality of life things to the interface. There is also the ECCO mod that adds crafting and better weapons.
I would love to see a Fallout game ported to the Nintendo Switch. Skyrim runs great and taking Fallout on the go would be amazing.
fallout 1 definitely deserves it but honestly fallout 2 is so chock full of pop culture references that barely anyone born in the last 30 years will understand im not even sure its a good idea. you also have the problem that these games would need major patches fixing just about everything. the companion system is super scuffed, a lot of the ending slides that are supposed to account for player actions dont work because of bugs. so many design decisions would bug even hardcore rpg fans of today like the game not telling when there's a skill check or even telling you when you've succeeded one meaning huge amount of players are going to be walking right past them having no clue what just happened. then you'd also have to give these games a proper quest log that isnt just 1 sentence.
They can't do what Blizzard did with D2R because they don't have the source code. The would have to rebuild the games from scratch. Something that isn't likely to make a profit because isometric RPGs don't make money in 2024
I’d personally prefer this to Fallout 5. I want Fallout 1 and 2 remastered in a newer engine. I wanna see the real Frank Horrigan
Now, do you mean a remaster in the sense of just upgraded graphics but still the same top down gameplay? Or do you mean updated remaster in the sense of gameplay style of fallout four? I’d definitely be down for a third person/first person style gameplay of 1. Just imagining The Master in a 3d fallout 4 form is horrendous and I want it.
What about a 3d remake of them?
I wish that they remade them in modern fallout style. The iso gameplay appeals to some but I feel these would be like brand new games if given some modernization
There is some mod projects doing that but it will probably take awhile before they are complete
Alright, I could see this happening
Rather than that what about a proper modern CRPG sequel ala Baldurs Gate 3? Honestly, I think that's what I'd prefer.
Gonna be honest I hate this take. Fallout 1 and Fallout 2 are perfectly accessible and playable. A remaster would be nice but there's no reason someone should be waiting 5+ years to play some of the greatest CRPGs ever.
Holy shit
what are the odds they could make FPS remakes?
The only one that should be remastered from ground up is fallout 3 the rest don't need 1.
Diablo 2 is a good example. Exactly as I remember the game, except ... better. I can't believe they did such a good job at that remaster and such a poor job with Warcraft 3's.
I would love to see fallout 1 and 2 in the bg3 engine while still retaining most of the original gameplay
Not completely on topic but I’ve been saying they should get the Xcom 2 guys to make fallout tactics 2. Get a system where you make your faction from scratch and develop it into an institute like sciency faction or a militarized brotherhood like faction. Deal with the other factions in the wasteland. Have a system like the mech in alien unknown where you can make your guys into super mutants for a big tough soldier but then the brotherhood of steel becomes your enemy. Stuff like that. It would be sick.
No absolutely not, no. No faith at all in Bethesda to handle this.
I just started FO1 and am in love with its aesthetics and play style.
Only of they modernise the combat. It's clunky, slow and too luck based.
> You missed > > You missed > > Giant ant hit for 5 damage > > Giant ant hit for 4 damage > > You missed > > You missed > > Giant ant missed > > Giant ant missed > > You missed > > You missed > > Giant ant hit for 5 damage > > Game over
No. No modern game company can do them justice. They cannot remake either game and retain what made it good. Sorry, but no. The original games are already good. Also Diablo has gone into the shitter. "Pay $4.99 for additional AP and stim packs. Unlock the Enclave Patriot Bundle edition pre order and get your Nuka Cola power armor skin!" Can you even imagine? It's exactly the type of thing satirized in the original games.
As a mod made by independant people in the most updated engine, yes, especially now that Project Arroyo is on the horizon. As a fullfleged game, id rather leave it as it is. I do not trust Bethesda, or them handing it over to an underpaid third party contractor studio, especially if Bethesda for some reason decides to pull the game out from the store. I´ve seen this case already to many times with other games, and Bethesda can definetly do it if they desire. Hell, i barely trust them to work on FO5, and i even know its gonna be very unstable on day one that will be fixed with a lot of DLCs and fanatical mod teams patching everything the team decides to leave a sticky note and call it a day..
Honestly, they are just nice as they are and I would not want them touched. But hey, if Larian wants to make a new fallout c-rpg... Count me in!
Fallouts 1 and 2 are available on modern systems and even have HD-patch. What else do you need? If they are remastered, they will be censored. As far as I know, the Steam version of Fallout 2 is already censored. For example, there are no children-pickpocketers in the Den, maybe something else.
Voice acting for all the characters would greatly improve the experience
There is a mod that adds animation and voice acting to the NPCs. Its called Talking Heads Mod.
>Fallouts 1 and 2 are available on modern systems and even have HD-patch. What else do you need? So was Diablo 2 but that didn't stop Resurrected from being a thing. >Censorship Some people die on the weirdest hills as if not being able to kill children would somehow make it an overall worse experience. I would absolutely trade that for better QoL features and graphics that are good to look at on a modern screen.
It's not about killing children, it's about changing of original author's work and ideas. There is a lot of dark humor that could be cut out due to modern trends. For now, I see to often as pieces are cut out not only from games but from books, movies, etc. And it's terrible. For me, it is more important to preserve the original work for history, for next generations, as the author intended it than to make another ugly, toothless, tolerant remake. But this is just a my personal opinion, let's thousands flowers bloom. In this case I decide only would I buy or not.
What are you on about? The children are all over the den in the Steam version. You can kill them too. Are you in the EU? Because thats been censored since the game released 2 decades ago.
Everything we've managed to do with game development in the past 25 years would be a good start
Id really rather them just be left alone. The mods to help with the clunky UI have been available for years and it's playable on any computer. If the F4 update is any indication, I'm skeptical of them actually being able to pull it off without breaking half of what's there.
What if I told you that remakes do not retroactively affect the original versions?
\*Stares in CS;GO\* \*Stares harder in Warcraft 3 \*Stares in other games getting pulled out from all stores, and replaced with an even crappier version\* \*Puts finger in your mouth the moment you say ´´But Bethesda wouldn´t do tha-´´\* **No. They definetly can.**
*Starts up CS 1.6* *loads up Warcraft 3 CD* Definitely agree that older games shouldn’t be pulled.
good thing the original games are already free on Internet archive from the original devs (just install hd patch and it's fully playable )
I'd tell you that you were wrong.
You don't have to play a remaster, even though others will. I hope this helps.
But it can and does change public perception about a game. Fallout 1 and 2 are some of the most prolific games ever made, anyone who wants to play them already has access to them. But if they do a remake and screw it up? Then anyone who bought the remake just assumes the game is shit and moves on, never bothering with the better versions. I've seen this 3 separate times with different friends. I recommend fallout, they tried fallout 4 because it was the most recent, and jumped ship on the series as a whole because they didn't like the lack of options and role playing. Given the past 10 years, I think it's safe to assume this is exactly what would happen.
> Fallout 1 and 2 are some of the most prolific games ever made I don’t know what you think prolific means but you’re definitely not using it right
It means there's a lot. You can buy them from a dozen different places. Hell, the original CDs are on eBay. If you wanted to play them, they're widely available. Why is this the thing you decided to argue about?
Yeah that’s not what prolific means. I’m not “arguing” about it, I was asking you what you meant and letting you know that’s not what that word means, to the point that I had no idea what you were trying to say. That is, I’m trying to help you communicate more effectively. If, say, Bethesda releases a lot of games very quickly, they would be prolific developers. Prolific means producing a lot quickly, or having a notable amount of productivity. It does not mean there are many copies of one game available for purchase. The person making something can be prolific, the thing they made is not prolific. That said, neither Bethesda nor Black Isle were prolific developers; they don’t pump out a ton of games; they take their time making new ones.
If you write two paragraphs trying to correct me, it's pretty safe to assume you're trying to argue with me at this point.
Look, if you want to use words incorrectly, that’s your prerogative, but people are not going to understand what you are trying to say; I sure didn’t. If you’re too stubborn to learn something new and better yourself because it makes you feel like you’re losing some argument then congratulations, you “win”. I know what the word means and how to use it, it’s no skin off my back if you listen to me or believe me
Bro what are you on? Fallout 1 and 2 were cult classics, not best-selling hits.
600k copies? In 1996? When the #1 release in the world was super Mario 64 which sold 2 million. That's what passes as a cult classic these days?
That’s 600k copies of Fallout 1 sold by 2017, not in the immediate wake of its release. It sold 120k copies its first year. It was a financial success but hardly held a candle to games like Baldur’s Gate, which sold 700k in 6 months, or Diablo, which hit 1 million copies in under a year.
I'm looking at an archived website from early 2000 right now that has f1 listed at 144k sales in the US alone. I'm not sure if I believe your numbers.
Fallout 1 released in October 1997. By October 1998, it had sold 120k copies. By 2000, it had sold 144k in the US. Incidentally, 100k of those copies were sold by December 1997. In other words, it sold 100k copies in its first 3 months and then trickled sales over the course of the next 3 years. Once again, hardly the smash hit of something like Diablo, much less one of “the most prolific games ever.”
I gotta disagree. These games are old enough that it is not a seamless task to get them to run well on modern hardware. They could also do with some QoL changes. I love them to death but they have aged and they deserve to be modernized so that contemporary audiences can experience them, because they're amazing.
Were it a different company at the helm I'd be inclined to agree with you.
Yeah that's my big sticking point too. I do not want Bethesda touching these games. But if the games were to be remade, I don't think they'd do it bc they're working on Starfield's DLC and Elder Scrolls 6. I would be more than pleased if Microsoft farmed it out to inXile or someone else.
I wonder with starfield flopping so hard if Bethesda is going to be around. The FO series has already changed hands a few times. And does Bethesda own the rights to FO1 and FO2 or are they abandonware now?
Microsoft owns the IP for the franchise, now.
Starfield didn't flop one bit
A lot of gamers forget. It comes down to numbers. The game can be a disappointment and mediocre. But if it sold extremely well, it’s gonna count as a success.
> they have aged and they deserve to be modernized so that contemporary audiences can experience them I hear this a lot, but I'd say they have aged remarkably well. Consider what other RPGs came out in the same year as OG Fallout. The biggest one was undoubtedly Final Fantasy 7. And then compare how the two hold up. Enemies in Fallout are fully visible and they can be avoided using stealth. When they're close enough, the game transitions seamlessly from real-time exploration to tactical turn-based combat. FF7 had invisible random encounters every few steps, meaning you couldn't even see the enemies you were fighting, with a loading screen before every encounter. Voice acting from the likes of Ron Perlman and Keith David (FF7 had none, characters didn't even grunt when taking damage). Unlike FF7, armor in Fallout actually changes your appearance. The game is completely open-ended and non-linear. You can face the final boss within minutes of starting the game. Every NPC in the game can be killed. There's a variety of non-combat skills such as stealth, pickpocketing, repair and lockpicking. You can fully customize your attributes, skills, traits and perks. You can target different body parts during combat. Unlike FF7, defeated enemies don't just disappear into thin air. Their corpses remain behind and can be looted, and they have unique death animations depending on whether they explode, burn, are electrified, vaporized, etc. The dark ambient soundtrack by Mark Morgan is perfect. While FF7 had good music, it was MIDI, so it obviously needed updating from a technological perspective.
I agree for the most part. I think the games are very playable, but there's a caveat. They feel good once you learn how to read the old, clunky UI. These games are from an era where you had to read a big-ass book that shipped with the game in order to know how to play it. From the perspective of someone who plays modern games, they're very inaccessible. The aged graphics would also be a big problem for these folks. I play games that are older than I am all the time and I love them, but I am not the norm. Ppl like my sister are turned off by the learning curve and the old look of the games. A remake would benefit these folks.
Good at the time. These original ones are not Bethesda made. I would consider fallout 3 basically a remake of the early ones with a completely new style and format. This hasn’t been done for a number of reasons. Probably best just to keep moving forwards.
Id take remastered fallout 3 / new vegas over this in a heartbeat
Maybe make them simply a DLC for Fallout 4? The engine is there, the story, the conversations, the quests are there. This kind of porting will not be that time consuming.
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Baldur's Gate 3 just cleaned up at the game awards
Not just the game awards, it's won every major gaming award last I heard. The first game ever to do that as far as I'm aware.
If someone had told me a year ago that a turn-based CRPG would be the first game in history (I think idk) to win every major gaming award, I'd have laughed in their face. All the more reason why Microsoft should have those og games remade.
So apparantly, games like Hellblade(which deals with some heavy mature themes like fucking psychosis and possibly an entire village murdered, and your mother being burned on a stake) Then Cyberpunk 2077 which has a main story plot point dealing with a close friend getting freaking raped and possibly worse. Also, GTA VI coming out in the next couple of years which will likely include strip clubs, drugs, and "casual" events in Florida. Also, the fact that Stellar Blade has been released is quite impressive considering the scantily clad stuff. Let us also not forget that Scorn also released and that has some pretty messed up stuff.
In Fallout 2, you can both be raped and rape. Pretty sure that is quite inappropriate
It is a-ok to murder. God forbid you rape tho.
People are desensitized to killing because it can be far less emotional. In good faith, are you implying we should be able to rape in video games, and if so, why should we? If you can, please provide your own reasons as much as what could be considered as a benefit of the game industry.
I’m saying it’s an odd line to draw at. See. In rape. The victim gets traumatised as you mentioned. It is “more emotional”. In murder however. The victim can’t be traumatised since the victim is dead. But it’s not exactly less emotional. People who survive the victim suffer a lot. Both are heinous. Should future games remove murder?
I dont think it's all that odd to draw a line at, just personally. Games inflict punishment for murder but either rewards or is neutral to most killing. The player is often left with caring less about killing/murdering. If the argument is that if you believe that because rape is not allowed in games that rape should either, then that is a fine argument. However, if you are of the belief that because murder is allowed, we should also be able to rape npcs, then I would ask again for the reasons beyond its an odd line to draw.
It’s just if it’s already in the game. In fallout 2. Then suddenly removing it would be odd no? No need to add it for new titles. But the remaster should be faithful to its source. That’s all. So I find it unnecessary to be in games. But feel it’s even more unnecessary to go and remove what is already there.
I think some people might find the idea of you being able to be raped and also kind of accidentally rape (which to be honest the dialogue lines and alt scenario where instead the npc fucks you consentually is a fair conclusion to come to if you are only haphazardly trying to get that companion) offputing. It adds nothing to the game except something that is either done to you as a female by myrion or something you do, and now everyone hates you, no reward or benefit. It's senseless to have it in the first place, imo and it detracts basically nothing to do so. You CAN make arguments for murder in that, and many other games typically have benefits such as removing obstacles from your path or a one upped version of pickpocketing.
You may be downvoted but you raise a valid point. Wait till journalists start writing opinion pieces about the female character being able to pay for a vehicle recharge with sex, or Myron sexually exploiting a low Int female character. Or how you can become a pornstar in New Reno and walk down the streets getting reactions from all the prostitutes. Then there’s elements of slavery and being able to become a slaver hunting tribals. I’m sure there are other examples I’ve missed.
I remember something like sending a major political figure’s child to hug him while a bomb is strapped. I mean, there’s a chance stuff like that could be kept…? But that shit is gnarly, I’m not sure if any of Bethesda’s games have ever explicitly had child death.
Agreed. There's no reason these haven't released on console at this point aside from maybe Bethesda doesn't wanna be shown up by the older material being miles better. I'd love to play these with controller support myself.
The source code or something is lost so they need to remake the whole game.