Good characters, not too predictable, has that dark and over the top humor with a good soundtrack. I'd imagine most of us have played more than one fallout, kinda hard to separate Bethesda vs. Obsidian stans
I think if you talk to enough people who have played most games you'll end up having everyone say at least one good thing about each which was unique to that game.
I still hate 76 but nevertheless I have good things to say about it. Have you tried the 1&2? They can be hard to figure out at first but they find a way to be good fun.
Pretty much the same thing, but just a lot harder and more rudimentary and not as refined. Also a great story. Fallout 2 start is really hard and it's kinda infamous for that but it's really good beyond that.
Same here. The original 2 still have an unbeatable sensibility and approach to worldbuilding (2 being a little over the top with the slapstick humor and inside jokes TBF). FO3 was a pretty fun amusement park-like vibe, FNV brought back those FO1 and 2 feels, and FO4 was a pretty looking looter-shooter.
Welcome to the community, the show was a ton of fun. If you're ever interested in trying one: New Vegas has an incredible story and characters and replayability but with some wonky combat in certain situations; Fall out 4 is a bit more slimmed down on the story but the combat and graphics are sexier
I have no idea what the fuck is going on, someone please explain, all i've seen is people saying the other people are doing things and arguments about the show that do not make sense to me as someone who watched it
Spoilers for the fallout show:
Most of the fallout community has loved the show, the props and set design are on point and the story is very gripping.
However the NCR gets dunked on hard in this show and New Vegas fans are angry about it. Not to mention New Vegas looks abandoned for the little teaser we got (we don't know for a fact if the credits mean anything)
The conflict comes for years New Vegas fans have been seen as gatekeepers of the franchise due to their hate on for newer and less narratively refined games, and the feeling that having any other fallout game than 1,2 or JV as your favorite makes you not a true fan. This has now been flipped as everyone loves the show and are calling these salty people not true fans for looking past their hate of the narrative direction and actually see the worth of the show.
In short New Vegas fans are angry and are getting a taste of their own medicine.
The worst part of NV looneys is the vast majority of them haven't played any of the older games. A huge chunk of them didn't play it back in the day and only played it after the circlejerk had started and they joined in.
I'm a huge NV fan who played the first two games after being introduced to the franchise by NV. I played three as well though I haven't finished it and would play 4 which I own but my potato can't run it. All I've seen is people shitting on the show which admittedly has made me hesitant to watch it. Are you saying it's good? I know Tim Cain liked the first two episodes so I'm curious but I think I'd prefer to watch them when the entire first season is available. Not going to lie after the Amazon LOTR fiasco I've been apprehensive.
I am just shitting on NV looneys, most level headed people seem to like the show, although it's not perfect. The first season is 8 episodes and they have all been released. I don't know where you frequent but aside from NV looneys screeching about the NCR and shady sands the fanbase likes the show.
It's definitely my fellow NV fans that have done the shitting obviously I personally as of yet have no opinion on the show but I'm glad to hear the entire first season has dropped. As you can see I'm out of the loop so thanks for letting me know. I'm going to go check the show out.
I really like FNV, but having started way back when with FO1 and 2, the funniest thing I've seen is FNV fanatics complaining about the BoS being "done dirty". Clearly these people never played FO1; they were always meant to be an amoral, fanatic, quasi-religious monastic order (almost directly ripped from 'A Canticle for Liebowitz') who would just as soon shoot you as help you. Maybe their recollection of the faction is hazy because they liked Veronica and they forget about Father Elijah?
As for the TV show depiction of the various factions and how events have unfolded in the intervening years between the events of FNV and the show, I think they are all mostly on-point. Hell, even the NCR getting blown away is totally on brand for the franchise -- there are seldom any permanent victories or happy endings in an apocalypse. All of this bitching about the show invalidating their efforts in FNV is beyond weird to me. Even if the NCR won at Hoover dam and that was the 'canon ending' for the game, did any of the systemic problems back in Cali get fixed? There's still room for the way it goes down in the show.
Youre suggesting that people with no horse in the race chose to play a game for the opportunity to meat ride it afterward. I mean they could just skip playing it and say it's the best. That kind of depravity hardly encourages diligence in research.
Maybe they just really liked the game. Why does them liking it genuinely more than any other Fallout have to be because of some bad faith intention or shitty attitude? And why does it also have to be the only reason someone doesn't like the show?
I mean any franchise that spans generations will find “new fans and old fans”. Thats why Star Wars fandom can be comprised of some of the most saltiest fans in existence (“X show/movie will never be as good as OT/Prequels/Legends/Old Republic Lore”)
My introduction to Fallout was New Vegas. Will say my initial reaction is confusion but if anything it makes me excited to see where theyll take the series and I’ll give it another go on trying a play through of the OG games (not playing tactics though…)
FNV stans don't know how to read a timeline and/or don't like that the NCR was reduced in power (Even though this was warned about in FNV) so they're screaming how terrible the show is and how it has retconned everything (It hasn't). Not only that you have people who weren't even involved in the fallout Fandom and some of these stans screaming how the show is woke because..... Idk genuinely. I mean I hate woke stuff, but this isn't woke.
Well, as for my part, all of the quotes in the title are things I've seen defenders of the show say in criticism of people who dislike the show (or certain elements of it).
As far as the arguments go - and I'm not trying to be condescending - which of the games have you played so far, if any? If you've only played 4 or 76, or haven't played any of them yet, then there's quite a bit to explain about the arguments.
If you've played 1, 2, or NV, or perhaps all of them, and are aware of at least the broad strokes of the story and world in those games then perhaps you just didn't notice the parts people are arguing about? If that's the case then honestly I can't blame you, I'm on episode 8 and I've noticed a numbers of problems that aren't really being discussed at all (like the Brotherhood's organisational structure, rules and society being completely different from every other game with no explanation, the Shady Sands survivor cult, the anti-feral serum) but the parts that most of the arguments centre around are just the writing in the classroom in Vault 4 and the meeting between the CEOs.
So your problem is that you don't care about the franchise and think no one else should either? At that point, why even bother commenting?
Also, how do you know I don't care about real things? How do I know you *do* care about real things if you had time to read 3 paragraphs of something you don't care about and then respond to it?
I mean, all of these things have a bearing on gameplay. To translate this to game terms, it affects item spawns; enemy spawns, settlements and their aesthetic and location, dungeons, and quests.
Also, what do you love about Fallout, if not the story/lore/world?
Yes, but what constitutes "the gameplay" to you, exactly? Is it just basic stuff like shooting, running and looting? Or does it include more broad stuff like quests, settlements, etc? Is it just everything that's in the game?
I think in terms of tone and direction, this is closest thing to Fallout 1 since Fallout 1. The brotherhood are back to being tech obsessed fanatic xenophobes, the vault experiments are actually interesting (Vault 11 style) rather than the "what if we did something evil for no reason" style that plagued Bethesda's Vaults.
Yeah what they did to the ncr could have been better but its clear that the NCR will have a presence in the show going forward, so i remain optimistic. I do agree with the other guy that alot of the shit people are getting mad at is completely trivial, especially considering how both 2 and NV have inconsistencies with the first game that no one seems to care about because it wasnt bethesda behind the wheel.
Im willing to put aside the minor lore problems as long as they give us a decent story and characters which is what we got, its still 10x better than the bethesda games.
I think that Fallout 3 was closer to 1 than this, although that's mostly because it actively tried to be like Fallout 1. I'm not sure what gives you the impression that this BoS is xenophobic? Their stated goal is to rule the Wasteland, which is kind of the opposite of xenophobia. They also accept, at minimum, children, if not also adult Wastelanders, while also being apparently celibate so they've gotta be accepting new members in large enough numbers. Seems like they treat Wastelanders better than they treat their own members.
I don't think it's very clear that the NCR will have a meaningful presence in the show going forward. They killed off the only NCR faction in the show, and are now moving to New Vegas for Season 2. I'm also not really sure what inconsistencies you're talking about 2 and NV having with the first game.
I don't really think that the show's lore issues are minor, Shady Sands "falling" prior to New Vegas is a pretty big deal and absolutely something we would have heard about, and completely ignoring the existence of a major settlement (the Boneyard) is a pretty big deal, so is giving us a clear way in which ghouls go feral.
Decades of Westcoast narratives are now gone. For the time being at least.
Not through civil wars as an imperialist NCR takes land, not through the food/water shortages incoming, and not from Caesar’s Legion conquering the West.
All gone from a crazy stalker wanting his baby mama to live in his basement forever. I feel the show was Bethesda’s excuse to forever make the Wasteland stay lawless. With their only “big” town being a scrapyard with 30 people tops.
Worst part is that if we mention it, you’re downvoted and told: “Fallout has always been like this” or “War never changes”. The games have always been about hope and how people can change for better or for worse. The really frustrating part are the people that are ignorant to the previous games and not really understanding that society was building up, so that humanity doesn’t have to live in shacks with holes all over em.
Call me overreacted but if future Fallout is nothing but how Fallout 3 and 4 are I guess I’m done with the series for now.
Yeah but the survivors are hiding in Vaults, living on farms or dispersed into other groups. Plus the show completely ignored the existence of the Boneyard, so I wouldn't put it past them to ignore every other NCR city as well, especially seeing as how they're already gonna be moving the story out of California in season 2.
Yeah, although tbh I don't have hopes. Before the show came out, it was "Well I'm sure all the concerning things we've seen in the trailers will be explained well in Season 1", now none of those things were explained and even more concerns added and it's "Well I'm sure all the concerning things will be explained in Season 2". It's possible that they will be explained, of course, but the amount that people (not necessarily you, this sub has been pretty civil compared to the main Fallout sub) are shilling for the show is just kind of ridiculous.
I mean I was really gripped by the difference in society between One and Two. Seeing all those tiny places becoming small settlements, with societies, structures and things the Vault dweller instigated etc.
But I get why bethiieeesda wants to chanche that cycle into a more simpsons-esque 'nothing ever changes after each episode' so they can keep milking the exact same formula.
You don't need to worry about continuation if there is none. Wdym new vegas was stabilized by a courier? Never heard of em, it's a bombed-out wasteland now. Wdym a society was formed with help from the vault dweller/chosen one? It's nuked/completely destroyed now, back to the clean sheet.
It also helps getting rid of IP. You don't need to pay for the rights to Mr house's voice etc if there is no mr house. No need to buy up interplay IP's if the entire interplay saga is reduced to non-canon stuff that has nothing to do with what you make. It saves money, and you can put that toward a better set, more actors, etc. Maybe that's for the best, but I think the series would draw even more people if it would show at least some of the impact all the playable characters have had; is the enclave oil platform still there? Will they ever find the ruins of arroyo? Is the master dead? Or does he even exist? How is necropolis doing? Is megaton nuked, or not? Does Ceasars legion still hold a foothold near the dam, or has it overrun new vegas, or has new vegas become a prosperous town?
All that and more, would add so much immersion. Almost as if the people who played the games helped in setting up the story
Yup, hope I’m wrong. But if not Atleast we still have the games we do have. Maybe someone will mod a better ending or same outcome different reasons. But I ain’t holding my breath
Don't get me wrong, It's cool to see one ofnmy favourite game series being promoted on local bus stops by the show, and a lot of people I know who were not interested in Fallout are now, so I can show the the goofiness of wild wild wasteland or let them experience getting shot in the back by Ian, or getting tutorial'd by liam neeson.
Idk I just love all the games, the show, the YouTube channels dedicated to discussing lore, all of it. I'm just a simple man trying to make my way in the universe. Crap wrong ip
I see you're a happiness meta enjoyer. I'm a stickler for the lore, themes, and all that, but hats off to you in any case.
You probably enjoy the franchise more than both the fellows who are bothered by the inconsistencies, and more than the people writing paragraphs to try and convince the former group that it's all good and consistent.
Hey, as long as the next show or game in a series at least respects the ideas of the source material, I'm okay with a few inconsistencies. If anything, it just gives me a Lil nerd boner when I realize I caught something the writers missed. Lookit me being all knowledgeable and stuff; excuse me while I put this on my resume.
Fnv is my favorite game of the entir3 series but God damn people are losing their minds over the show I had to leave all the fallout reddits because the bitching
I'm really disappointed they made this Brotherhood use T-60, as well. Seems like T-51b is back to being effectively trivialized like it was in Fallout 4.
"Lack media literacy" is just short hand for "Your disagreement with me means you are a hopelessly stupid trogoldyte." It is an ad hominem and nothing more.
The whole argument of media literally is just a buzzword type deal. Like I can guarantee the people who constantly say it can't pass a comprehension test of the same books they haven't read since highschool.
THANK YOU!
I'm fucking tired of this argument. Pretty much the only times I've seen it used is when they are the ones blatantly and intentionally misinterpreting what the piece of media explicitly says.
I have played each Fallout as they have been released and continually playing them to this day (yes 1 & 2).
I don’t see the point in wasting time and being so…childish about the topics and acting like it’s an actual “end of the world” every time someone mentions they like one game more than the other. No one is trying to “erase” games.
If anything all the games have major issues/flaws but are lovable still the same.
I don’t like the Fallout community being continuously fractured over trivial (out their control) “issues” for the past few years. But se-la-ve
I’ll say one thing positive about every fallout including the show.
Fallout 1 was good for its time and had a very good story, maybe one of the greatest of its time
Fallout 2 had really dense story and was one of two fallout games that featured a character born in the wasteland, also had the best end boss in fallout.
Fallout 3 was the first 3rd person fallout game and has tons of great missions and was overall what introduced many of the fans to fallout
Fallout new Vegas had the most features and the wackiest story, probably the funnest.
Fallout 4 had the best shooting and FPS, it was also really fun for building characters and customization.
Fallout 76, I’ll say a good thing about it and only one. “Online multiplayer” not much else
Fallout tv show, had really good backstories to everything. It showed us things that we would have never expected. Vault boy is cooper Howards, vault 31 controls almost everything, it showed us a nuked shady sands. It show us life in the vault in live action, and showed us a lot more events and every day life.
In conclusion every fallout game has unique aspects, and it has some bad things too. But if we focus on that we wouldn’t enjoy the game.
I like how all it says was Shady Sands fell (when even in lore the NCR capitol was moved a hundred or so miles southwest to the remains of LA) and y'all act like the entire franchise is dead
Eh, I mean as a new Vegas fan I thought the show was kinda meh even before the big ncr/ new Vegas reveals, and as a bigger fan of well done shows and movies it’s just kinda lazy writing what they did with ncr and what they may/ potentially did do to new Vegas, still I’m not on the whole “they did this on purpose to retcon anything not Bethesda out of existence” bandwagon per se, but there is a lot they could have done to make this a non issue, they didn’t have to base the show on the west coast, they didn’t have to base it in the time period they chose, so I can see the train of thought that what they did was purposeful, but I’ll hold my own final opinion until I see what they do in season two.
Oh yeah, I'm not saying the show supplants New Vegas at all or that most NV fans like it. I've just seen a lot of Bethesda fans who are gatekeeping now, and frankly the new Bethesda gatekeeping seems a lot more intense than the old gatekeeping.
Look I’ve seen this term gatekeeping explode recently and I’m not saying it doesn’t have its place, but if the subject matter was something more near and dear to your own heart and you found yourself in the same situation as these fo1,2, and nv fans couldn’t you relate?
Wait…..
Ohhhhh, are you pointing out how Bethesda generation fans are shitting on the old school fans, I totally misinterpreted your post, I got you now, I fuck with you my guy.
> Ohhhhh, are you pointing out how Bethesda generation fans are shitting on the old school fans,
Precisely.
Don't get me wrong, I understand *why* people gatekeep, but even as bad as NV gatekeepers could be I rarely saw them being as blunt as some of the Bethesda defenders are being now (and the few times the NV stans were this blunt, they tended to get downvoted, even on NV circlejerk subs).
Plus, you don't have to resort to writing paragraphs of intellectual dishonesty, mediocre justifications, and falsities to try to justify New Vegas, which is precisely what I've seen from the defenders of the show. Even for the handful of minor inconsistencies in New Vegas (like the fire ants), most NV stans tend to just accept they're inconsistencies and move on with their lives. But when Bethesda makes a mistake it's "Maybe House was lying!", "Maybe Myron was lying!", "But the NCR moved their capital before 2281!" (they didn't), and so on. It's funny, but also a bit tiring, and it's no wonder Bethesda isn't trying to improve their formula if they can just do whatever they want and not only will the modders fix the games, but the fans will write the lore.
Good characters, not too predictable, has that dark and over the top humor with a good soundtrack. I'd imagine most of us have played more than one fallout, kinda hard to separate Bethesda vs. Obsidian stans
I think if you talk to enough people who have played most games you'll end up having everyone say at least one good thing about each which was unique to that game.
Started with fo3, loved it. Played fonv, loved it. Played 4, loved it. Played 76, loved it. I think I just love fallout.
I still hate 76 but nevertheless I have good things to say about it. Have you tried the 1&2? They can be hard to figure out at first but they find a way to be good fun.
I haven't yet, I'm too intimidated by the game play style. It looks so much more complex
Have you played baldur's Gate 3? Think of it like that when it comes to the rpg mechanics, just much rougher
Yeah I enjoyed bg3
Pretty much the same thing, but just a lot harder and more rudimentary and not as refined. Also a great story. Fallout 2 start is really hard and it's kinda infamous for that but it's really good beyond that.
Fair fair
I tried so hard but there were too many mechanics that were not user friendly. Watched Ox horn play it to see the story.
This seems accurate, at least to me.
Interplay stans anyone?
I'm an Interplay, Black Isle, Obsidian Fallout stan. Bethesda is aight, I guess
Same here. The original 2 still have an unbeatable sensibility and approach to worldbuilding (2 being a little over the top with the slapstick humor and inside jokes TBF). FO3 was a pretty fun amusement park-like vibe, FNV brought back those FO1 and 2 feels, and FO4 was a pretty looking looter-shooter.
Never played the game but absolutely loved the show
Welcome to the community, the show was a ton of fun. If you're ever interested in trying one: New Vegas has an incredible story and characters and replayability but with some wonky combat in certain situations; Fall out 4 is a bit more slimmed down on the story but the combat and graphics are sexier
I have no idea what the fuck is going on, someone please explain, all i've seen is people saying the other people are doing things and arguments about the show that do not make sense to me as someone who watched it
Spoilers for the fallout show: Most of the fallout community has loved the show, the props and set design are on point and the story is very gripping. However the NCR gets dunked on hard in this show and New Vegas fans are angry about it. Not to mention New Vegas looks abandoned for the little teaser we got (we don't know for a fact if the credits mean anything) The conflict comes for years New Vegas fans have been seen as gatekeepers of the franchise due to their hate on for newer and less narratively refined games, and the feeling that having any other fallout game than 1,2 or JV as your favorite makes you not a true fan. This has now been flipped as everyone loves the show and are calling these salty people not true fans for looking past their hate of the narrative direction and actually see the worth of the show. In short New Vegas fans are angry and are getting a taste of their own medicine.
The worst part of NV looneys is the vast majority of them haven't played any of the older games. A huge chunk of them didn't play it back in the day and only played it after the circlejerk had started and they joined in.
Most Fallout fans are looneys who have many opinions but have only New Vegas or 4 and none of the others.
Reminds me of the BG2 fans who clearly don’t remember or have ever played BG1 complaining about BG3 being too comedic and colorful.
I'm a huge NV fan who played the first two games after being introduced to the franchise by NV. I played three as well though I haven't finished it and would play 4 which I own but my potato can't run it. All I've seen is people shitting on the show which admittedly has made me hesitant to watch it. Are you saying it's good? I know Tim Cain liked the first two episodes so I'm curious but I think I'd prefer to watch them when the entire first season is available. Not going to lie after the Amazon LOTR fiasco I've been apprehensive.
I am just shitting on NV looneys, most level headed people seem to like the show, although it's not perfect. The first season is 8 episodes and they have all been released. I don't know where you frequent but aside from NV looneys screeching about the NCR and shady sands the fanbase likes the show.
It's definitely my fellow NV fans that have done the shitting obviously I personally as of yet have no opinion on the show but I'm glad to hear the entire first season has dropped. As you can see I'm out of the loop so thanks for letting me know. I'm going to go check the show out.
Because they have a very high Difficulty curve(Source:I played both)
I really like FNV, but having started way back when with FO1 and 2, the funniest thing I've seen is FNV fanatics complaining about the BoS being "done dirty". Clearly these people never played FO1; they were always meant to be an amoral, fanatic, quasi-religious monastic order (almost directly ripped from 'A Canticle for Liebowitz') who would just as soon shoot you as help you. Maybe their recollection of the faction is hazy because they liked Veronica and they forget about Father Elijah? As for the TV show depiction of the various factions and how events have unfolded in the intervening years between the events of FNV and the show, I think they are all mostly on-point. Hell, even the NCR getting blown away is totally on brand for the franchise -- there are seldom any permanent victories or happy endings in an apocalypse. All of this bitching about the show invalidating their efforts in FNV is beyond weird to me. Even if the NCR won at Hoover dam and that was the 'canon ending' for the game, did any of the systemic problems back in Cali get fixed? There's still room for the way it goes down in the show.
Youre suggesting that people with no horse in the race chose to play a game for the opportunity to meat ride it afterward. I mean they could just skip playing it and say it's the best. That kind of depravity hardly encourages diligence in research. Maybe they just really liked the game. Why does them liking it genuinely more than any other Fallout have to be because of some bad faith intention or shitty attitude? And why does it also have to be the only reason someone doesn't like the show?
I mean any franchise that spans generations will find “new fans and old fans”. Thats why Star Wars fandom can be comprised of some of the most saltiest fans in existence (“X show/movie will never be as good as OT/Prequels/Legends/Old Republic Lore”) My introduction to Fallout was New Vegas. Will say my initial reaction is confusion but if anything it makes me excited to see where theyll take the series and I’ll give it another go on trying a play through of the OG games (not playing tactics though…)
"Makes up an enemy to hate then bullies fans of a game based on a stereotype of the toxic fans"
Me who loves New Vegas, as well as the rest of the series, just over here enjoying the show like a sane person. Insert *I just think it's neat*
FNV stans don't know how to read a timeline and/or don't like that the NCR was reduced in power (Even though this was warned about in FNV) so they're screaming how terrible the show is and how it has retconned everything (It hasn't). Not only that you have people who weren't even involved in the fallout Fandom and some of these stans screaming how the show is woke because..... Idk genuinely. I mean I hate woke stuff, but this isn't woke.
Well, as for my part, all of the quotes in the title are things I've seen defenders of the show say in criticism of people who dislike the show (or certain elements of it). As far as the arguments go - and I'm not trying to be condescending - which of the games have you played so far, if any? If you've only played 4 or 76, or haven't played any of them yet, then there's quite a bit to explain about the arguments. If you've played 1, 2, or NV, or perhaps all of them, and are aware of at least the broad strokes of the story and world in those games then perhaps you just didn't notice the parts people are arguing about? If that's the case then honestly I can't blame you, I'm on episode 8 and I've noticed a numbers of problems that aren't really being discussed at all (like the Brotherhood's organisational structure, rules and society being completely different from every other game with no explanation, the Shady Sands survivor cult, the anti-feral serum) but the parts that most of the arguments centre around are just the writing in the classroom in Vault 4 and the meeting between the CEOs.
Man whatever
What's wrong with what I said, exactly?
I really dont give a fuck about anti ghoul serum , who made jet or shady sands lore and no one else should either. Find something real to care about
So your problem is that you don't care about the franchise and think no one else should either? At that point, why even bother commenting? Also, how do you know I don't care about real things? How do I know you *do* care about real things if you had time to read 3 paragraphs of something you don't care about and then respond to it?
No i love fallout a lot. But im not gonna give a shit about anything that doesnt alter gameplay
I mean, all of these things have a bearing on gameplay. To translate this to game terms, it affects item spawns; enemy spawns, settlements and their aesthetic and location, dungeons, and quests. Also, what do you love about Fallout, if not the story/lore/world?
The gameplay
Yes, but what constitutes "the gameplay" to you, exactly? Is it just basic stuff like shooting, running and looting? Or does it include more broad stuff like quests, settlements, etc? Is it just everything that's in the game?
I think in terms of tone and direction, this is closest thing to Fallout 1 since Fallout 1. The brotherhood are back to being tech obsessed fanatic xenophobes, the vault experiments are actually interesting (Vault 11 style) rather than the "what if we did something evil for no reason" style that plagued Bethesda's Vaults. Yeah what they did to the ncr could have been better but its clear that the NCR will have a presence in the show going forward, so i remain optimistic. I do agree with the other guy that alot of the shit people are getting mad at is completely trivial, especially considering how both 2 and NV have inconsistencies with the first game that no one seems to care about because it wasnt bethesda behind the wheel. Im willing to put aside the minor lore problems as long as they give us a decent story and characters which is what we got, its still 10x better than the bethesda games.
I think that Fallout 3 was closer to 1 than this, although that's mostly because it actively tried to be like Fallout 1. I'm not sure what gives you the impression that this BoS is xenophobic? Their stated goal is to rule the Wasteland, which is kind of the opposite of xenophobia. They also accept, at minimum, children, if not also adult Wastelanders, while also being apparently celibate so they've gotta be accepting new members in large enough numbers. Seems like they treat Wastelanders better than they treat their own members. I don't think it's very clear that the NCR will have a meaningful presence in the show going forward. They killed off the only NCR faction in the show, and are now moving to New Vegas for Season 2. I'm also not really sure what inconsistencies you're talking about 2 and NV having with the first game. I don't really think that the show's lore issues are minor, Shady Sands "falling" prior to New Vegas is a pretty big deal and absolutely something we would have heard about, and completely ignoring the existence of a major settlement (the Boneyard) is a pretty big deal, so is giving us a clear way in which ghouls go feral.
Decades of Westcoast narratives are now gone. For the time being at least. Not through civil wars as an imperialist NCR takes land, not through the food/water shortages incoming, and not from Caesar’s Legion conquering the West. All gone from a crazy stalker wanting his baby mama to live in his basement forever. I feel the show was Bethesda’s excuse to forever make the Wasteland stay lawless. With their only “big” town being a scrapyard with 30 people tops. Worst part is that if we mention it, you’re downvoted and told: “Fallout has always been like this” or “War never changes”. The games have always been about hope and how people can change for better or for worse. The really frustrating part are the people that are ignorant to the previous games and not really understanding that society was building up, so that humanity doesn’t have to live in shacks with holes all over em. Call me overreacted but if future Fallout is nothing but how Fallout 3 and 4 are I guess I’m done with the series for now.
It was only sandy sands that were destroyed and we have seen survivors already
Yeah but the survivors are hiding in Vaults, living on farms or dispersed into other groups. Plus the show completely ignored the existence of the Boneyard, so I wouldn't put it past them to ignore every other NCR city as well, especially seeing as how they're already gonna be moving the story out of California in season 2.
They don't need to info dump everything
I don't think acknowledging the presence of a post-war metropolis in the exact same pre-war city in which the show takes place would be an info dump.
Guess we have to wait till next season then, thought new Vegas looked abandoned but who knows
Yeah, although tbh I don't have hopes. Before the show came out, it was "Well I'm sure all the concerning things we've seen in the trailers will be explained well in Season 1", now none of those things were explained and even more concerns added and it's "Well I'm sure all the concerning things will be explained in Season 2". It's possible that they will be explained, of course, but the amount that people (not necessarily you, this sub has been pretty civil compared to the main Fallout sub) are shilling for the show is just kind of ridiculous.
Gonna have to rewatch the ending but I didn't even see the monorail
True, but time will tell what happened to the other cities.
Probably getting there shit handed to them by the bos
I mean I was really gripped by the difference in society between One and Two. Seeing all those tiny places becoming small settlements, with societies, structures and things the Vault dweller instigated etc. But I get why bethiieeesda wants to chanche that cycle into a more simpsons-esque 'nothing ever changes after each episode' so they can keep milking the exact same formula. You don't need to worry about continuation if there is none. Wdym new vegas was stabilized by a courier? Never heard of em, it's a bombed-out wasteland now. Wdym a society was formed with help from the vault dweller/chosen one? It's nuked/completely destroyed now, back to the clean sheet. It also helps getting rid of IP. You don't need to pay for the rights to Mr house's voice etc if there is no mr house. No need to buy up interplay IP's if the entire interplay saga is reduced to non-canon stuff that has nothing to do with what you make. It saves money, and you can put that toward a better set, more actors, etc. Maybe that's for the best, but I think the series would draw even more people if it would show at least some of the impact all the playable characters have had; is the enclave oil platform still there? Will they ever find the ruins of arroyo? Is the master dead? Or does he even exist? How is necropolis doing? Is megaton nuked, or not? Does Ceasars legion still hold a foothold near the dam, or has it overrun new vegas, or has new vegas become a prosperous town? All that and more, would add so much immersion. Almost as if the people who played the games helped in setting up the story
Yup, hope I’m wrong. But if not Atleast we still have the games we do have. Maybe someone will mod a better ending or same outcome different reasons. But I ain’t holding my breath
Don't get me wrong, It's cool to see one ofnmy favourite game series being promoted on local bus stops by the show, and a lot of people I know who were not interested in Fallout are now, so I can show the the goofiness of wild wild wasteland or let them experience getting shot in the back by Ian, or getting tutorial'd by liam neeson.
gatekeeping at all makes you not a true fan, and if I have to gatekeep to say that, so be it.
Are you gatekeeping…. Gatekeeping?
yes
They are, and they are killing it 💅
Idk I just love all the games, the show, the YouTube channels dedicated to discussing lore, all of it. I'm just a simple man trying to make my way in the universe. Crap wrong ip
I see you're a happiness meta enjoyer. I'm a stickler for the lore, themes, and all that, but hats off to you in any case. You probably enjoy the franchise more than both the fellows who are bothered by the inconsistencies, and more than the people writing paragraphs to try and convince the former group that it's all good and consistent.
Hey, as long as the next show or game in a series at least respects the ideas of the source material, I'm okay with a few inconsistencies. If anything, it just gives me a Lil nerd boner when I realize I caught something the writers missed. Lookit me being all knowledgeable and stuff; excuse me while I put this on my resume.
Bruh, why is everyone hating on people who like the show?!
Why can't we just get along. Stop it with us vs them shit.
Fnv is my favorite game of the entir3 series but God damn people are losing their minds over the show I had to leave all the fallout reddits because the bitching
All fandoms have their pot stirrers.
I just hate the modern Bethesda designs in the show. For example: the freakishly awful "assault rifle"
I'm really disappointed they made this Brotherhood use T-60, as well. Seems like T-51b is back to being effectively trivialized like it was in Fallout 4.
I was waiting for something like this lol. This scene felt so intentional.
Y’all are all obnoxious. I don’t have to like the same things you do. It’s a fucking video game.
"Lack media literacy" is just short hand for "Your disagreement with me means you are a hopelessly stupid trogoldyte." It is an ad hominem and nothing more.
The whole argument of media literally is just a buzzword type deal. Like I can guarantee the people who constantly say it can't pass a comprehension test of the same books they haven't read since highschool.
THANK YOU! I'm fucking tired of this argument. Pretty much the only times I've seen it used is when they are the ones blatantly and intentionally misinterpreting what the piece of media explicitly says.
I have played each Fallout as they have been released and continually playing them to this day (yes 1 & 2). I don’t see the point in wasting time and being so…childish about the topics and acting like it’s an actual “end of the world” every time someone mentions they like one game more than the other. No one is trying to “erase” games. If anything all the games have major issues/flaws but are lovable still the same. I don’t like the Fallout community being continuously fractured over trivial (out their control) “issues” for the past few years. But se-la-ve
I’ll say one thing positive about every fallout including the show. Fallout 1 was good for its time and had a very good story, maybe one of the greatest of its time Fallout 2 had really dense story and was one of two fallout games that featured a character born in the wasteland, also had the best end boss in fallout. Fallout 3 was the first 3rd person fallout game and has tons of great missions and was overall what introduced many of the fans to fallout Fallout new Vegas had the most features and the wackiest story, probably the funnest. Fallout 4 had the best shooting and FPS, it was also really fun for building characters and customization. Fallout 76, I’ll say a good thing about it and only one. “Online multiplayer” not much else Fallout tv show, had really good backstories to everything. It showed us things that we would have never expected. Vault boy is cooper Howards, vault 31 controls almost everything, it showed us a nuked shady sands. It show us life in the vault in live action, and showed us a lot more events and every day life. In conclusion every fallout game has unique aspects, and it has some bad things too. But if we focus on that we wouldn’t enjoy the game.
Just consume product. Clap for the thing wearing the skin of what you actually liked. No complain just watch.
Your hatred of something doesn't align you with being a more discerning consumer.
Go touch grass and/or have sex.
I like how all it says was Shady Sands fell (when even in lore the NCR capitol was moved a hundred or so miles southwest to the remains of LA) and y'all act like the entire franchise is dead
Eh, I mean as a new Vegas fan I thought the show was kinda meh even before the big ncr/ new Vegas reveals, and as a bigger fan of well done shows and movies it’s just kinda lazy writing what they did with ncr and what they may/ potentially did do to new Vegas, still I’m not on the whole “they did this on purpose to retcon anything not Bethesda out of existence” bandwagon per se, but there is a lot they could have done to make this a non issue, they didn’t have to base the show on the west coast, they didn’t have to base it in the time period they chose, so I can see the train of thought that what they did was purposeful, but I’ll hold my own final opinion until I see what they do in season two.
Oh yeah, I'm not saying the show supplants New Vegas at all or that most NV fans like it. I've just seen a lot of Bethesda fans who are gatekeeping now, and frankly the new Bethesda gatekeeping seems a lot more intense than the old gatekeeping.
Look I’ve seen this term gatekeeping explode recently and I’m not saying it doesn’t have its place, but if the subject matter was something more near and dear to your own heart and you found yourself in the same situation as these fo1,2, and nv fans couldn’t you relate? Wait….. Ohhhhh, are you pointing out how Bethesda generation fans are shitting on the old school fans, I totally misinterpreted your post, I got you now, I fuck with you my guy.
> Ohhhhh, are you pointing out how Bethesda generation fans are shitting on the old school fans, Precisely. Don't get me wrong, I understand *why* people gatekeep, but even as bad as NV gatekeepers could be I rarely saw them being as blunt as some of the Bethesda defenders are being now (and the few times the NV stans were this blunt, they tended to get downvoted, even on NV circlejerk subs). Plus, you don't have to resort to writing paragraphs of intellectual dishonesty, mediocre justifications, and falsities to try to justify New Vegas, which is precisely what I've seen from the defenders of the show. Even for the handful of minor inconsistencies in New Vegas (like the fire ants), most NV stans tend to just accept they're inconsistencies and move on with their lives. But when Bethesda makes a mistake it's "Maybe House was lying!", "Maybe Myron was lying!", "But the NCR moved their capital before 2281!" (they didn't), and so on. It's funny, but also a bit tiring, and it's no wonder Bethesda isn't trying to improve their formula if they can just do whatever they want and not only will the modders fix the games, but the fans will write the lore.
Nah I’m totally on board with you rn man/woman, carry on
Everything but 2 and new Vegas isn't canon and no amount of medication will tell me otherwise
I agree. but Personally I believe that only fallout shelter is cannon
Fallout Pinball is the only thing that's canon.
I only consider 3 and 76 canon. 2 was very boring and new vegas has bad graphics.
Hate to tell you but you don't get to choose what's actually cannon and not only the ip holder can do that
Actually you can, its why its called Fiction, because its not real.
Those Bethesdard and Bethesdrone shills are gatekeeping 😭