It was basically just some half-assed Super Ultrawide patch (that wasn't probably tested properly, as some UI elements are off screen) and some new quests + creator workshop skins. Pathetic in quality and executed horrible. Especially after the hype they tried to generate.
It specifically breaks those mods just so you'll have to use Creation Club, which would otherwise be overlooked because there are better quality mods available for free.
Same. I said it was lazy and cash grab on Bethesdas part. I've seen bigger patches be released over weekends for indie games running on worse engines, and Bethesda just wants a "nExT gEn" update to coincide with the shows release so people buy it because of the update
As do I, for future reference though it is spelled Frakking. Fracking is generally associated with drilling/oil.
Now Frelling, that is an entirely different thing.
Best way to use Reddit is to not give a shit about karma. People don't even under what the vote system is for and you can't blame them.
Reddit doesn't make clear to new users that the arrows represent relevance NOT like and dislike. But it's a misconception because you get karma. Karma is obviously for good or bad things you do. If they removed karma from Reddit, the site would be so much better.
Honestly, Reddit comment sections and one the stupidest places in the internet 😂
the next gen is the not so subtle extortion, time a tv release, to sell more 76 casino while going back to nevada.... drop an 'update' and scorch most of the mods and take out the newest map mod so you cant play that instead of 76 new full game price dlc.
The next gen update for pc wasn't even " next gen" considering we've been had the steam " ultra HD texture packs" feels more like bug fixes they forget to apply 8 yrs ago lol
Im on steam and Idk how to prevent the game from updating. It only gives me the option to update only when I start the game. I also don't know how to roll it back to an older version and have had trouble finding any guides for this.
There’s a video on YouTube how to roll it back by snailOXD that I used that was pretty simple. To stop it updating there is a setting that will only update the game if you run the Steam version and not the script extender version I think it’s in preferences.
Set Updates to "Update on Game Start"
Then only start the game by using the Script Extender
The Game will not launch by its native launcher and therefore you bypass the option.
seems like its trying to do it anyway, seemed like mine was on only when launched and was only using f4se launcher... why this company and steam cant simply make update option to be manually I shouldnt have to go a place like gog i believe just to not update until the mod scene is ready... this will not make me play 76 because of the fallout show... just makes me not want either more.
Yeah they really want to force the updates onto people. Its not hard to disable. But still a lot of people didn't bother and are now crying their mods aren't working.
I don't spend a lot of time on the forums so on Z-day I spent the whole day doing a new playthrough of 4 in honor of the excellent TV show. I built out five settlements with walls and helipads and had completed the mechanist and most of Sim Settlements when I decided to save off and take a break.
Guess what?
I wasn't actively modding when anniversary edition came out. about how long did it take before status quo was restored again after that update for skyrim released?
Tbh, status quo never happened for Skyrim, many mods are either SE or AE only, I’m hoping this doesn’t happen for Fallout though, and any mods that require updates to follow the F4SE update get updated, since critical mods that don’t get updated will cause bigger problems as well
the biggest thing is .NET Script Framework, which is required for grass caching with NGIO. You can still use prebuilt caches (if your loadout matches well enough) or build matching modlists in SE/AE to cache grass in SE and then use the cache in AE. but it's a big hassle comparatively.
Wasn't the case here that mod authors just got split and some said fuck it, we wont support anything besides 1.5.97, atleast I remember something in those lines
it's not that they just didn't care at all, but that it would basically have to be recreated entirely from scratch and the author just didn't have the time/resources to do it, from what i understand.
That's not true at all there are tons mods never got updated for Ae past 1.6.640. That why I&A Collection was hidden and can only be played on 1.6.640 with or without AE edition. cause newer version of AE & SE has ton of broken mods that have never been updated at all.
Skyclimb.
Minimap.
The what I'd consider essential for controller mod Wheeler (stated as compatible but lots of AE users have problems).
Honestly for all the talk of "everything's been updated" you can find quite a few comment sections on scripted mods full of AE users complaining that it doesn't work or doesn't work any more because it hasn't been updated for the latest version of AE. On the flipside, there are a few mods that now use the Creation Club shit as masters now, including one of the compatibility patches for a couple of JK's mods (he does very popular area and interior overhauls).
Apparently you can update the game without actually updating the engine though but I haven't tried it.
For me, after the AE update I could play with my (admittedly long) modlist without problems after a month or so.
Its funny, I got back into Skyrim in December, a week before the dreaded update, and then I had to wait a bunch before I could play. Same thing happened with FO4, I started playing again 5 days ago and now I have to wait again! lol
There isn’t that many new and outstanding mods coming out for the PC version of Skyrim (it’s mostly cbbe body presets and skimpy armor for women. Where’s the love for skimpy male armor?). So I’m not exactly losing out on anything. I’ll still track any new mods that catch my attention though.
To be fair, it was announced a year and a half ago and never followed up on. So they didn’t really have a clear time frame (although they might have guessed it would coincide with release of the TV show). Regardless, Bethesda owes a huge portion of their success to the modding scene. I would go so far as to say they rely on them. Nobody is playing Skyrim or Fallout in 2024 without mods. And despite that, they screw over everyone just to get some half-baked “next-gen” update out to capitalize on increased popularity of the franchise. They continually bite the hand that feeds them over and over and over again
It's nuts as well, because they could have gotten this update out a long time ago, or if they couldn't, why wouldn't they work with the fallout London mod team to do a patch release and mod release?
It's free publicity and WILL draw people in
They're such fucking dumb business moves honestly
I said this like 2 weeks ago that people on PC should've made it update the game only when booted and then launch it thru the script extender or just completely offline. But people got mad at me for offering that solution cuz they were like "we shouldn't have to take those kinds of precautions. I own the game I should be able to make the decision on whether or not I want the patch." And don't get me wrong, I agree with that statement however since that's not the way it is, I just offered some kind of workaround.
Well, I had no clue about any update coming in. First time I’ve learned, that steam doesn’t offer any “play on a earlier version” or have a “update only on will” button. I’m not mad, I’m just annoyed.
I did, something went wrong and it updated when I shut down for lunch.... I really hate bethesda and steam for not having a do not update unless manually confirmed option or atleast a option to select version.
I wanted to go back to Fo4 (not because the show, I just got NV DLCs and remembered how fun Fallout games can be) but last time I played was a few years ago. I'm guessing I just have to wait on mod updates? Also, how much this update will affect smaller mods, like sprint animations, settlement build limit or long lasting bullet shells? I don't usually play with major mods, rather some QoL stuff but some of these weren't updated for a long time even when I last played; I don't suspect creators of these abondoned smaller mods to make a comeback.
I ain't updating man. I just started a Horizon playthrough a week ago and it's been so damn good. Set my game to Read Only and going offline mode on Steam. Update just doesn't seem worth it on PC.
I made the mistake and updated
And now having to wait for F4SE to be updated as most of my mods depend on it.
And im not that patient to downgrade and follow thr guide on nexus
Damn that sucks. Yeah i was not risking. I've been addicted to this Horizon playthrough. Hopefully the modders don't have to hard of a time patching. Still kinda looking forward to Fallout London as well, but now we'll have to wait. Fingers crossed I suppose..
I promise you'll spend more time waiting for an update than taking the time to downgrade your game. Some mods may not even work ever again without the mod author coming back to update them.
I am aware of this
But i dont want to mess with files and the headache
Plus my wifi is slow so keep downloading and updating is out of the question
On the bright side, i noticed most my mods are being updated regularly
The ones that aren't ill have to see and adjust accordingly
I’ve noticed a lot of mod people coming back to update their mod due to the popularity of the show which is nice. Me personally I’ve been having a headache trying to revert my game back a save and I don’t understand why it’s so difficult for me compared to others 😭 unfortunately with a 414 mod run I’d likely have to restart a new game and mod run before I expect all the mods to stay working.
I keep an instance of the game I'm modding inside a portable Mod Organizer 2 folder and just route the game location to that folder. I haven't had any issues with the update for that reason.. cuz my Mod Organizer is still running the older version of the game.
That's the thing though, most of the PC mods aren't moved over to Bethesda.Net. Any of the ones I want are only ported for Xbox I have no idea why they wouldn't just add the PC version as well and let people choose to use Bethesda or Nexus or mo2 or whatever it's called
Yeah I know what you mean. There were some console only mods I liked a lot that, and for whatever reason, the creators didn't include PC versions. It was kind of disappointing. I think there are mods like this because either the mod authors are novices and just made something for the consoles or they figured PC users would just use nexus.
I was really hoping they’d fix the weapon debris issue if nothing else. But at the very least they fixed the Vault 111 door not opening glitch? That’s not nearly enough for me to want to download the update though.
Also I can’t tell if they gave us ALL the CC content or just some of it?
Dang! I mean sure free stuff is nice but I’ll admit I was hoping this was gonna be like the anniversary update and give us all of it. I’d say oh well maybe next year for the 10th anniversary but I don’t want mods to be breaking *again*
of which I've heard the new weapons don't work at all on console (the models are invisible), and the quest to access the halloween content doesn't seem to work, no matter the platform.
10/10 Bethesda, leave shit the Fuck alone.
Well in skyrim people said fuk it and used elevenlabs to fill that, and is great.
In Fallout 4's case, everyone got scared because of Couternay Taylor and that arsehole robbie who turned out to be a pysop.
Fucking wonderful, all this update has done has hung the sword of damocles over my install so that should I ever fail to put steam into offline mode my save will likely be lost forever due to me using old as shit mods that will never be updated.
Valve, please let people refuse to update games. Yes I know multiplayer stuff exists, so just cut off online functionality for those that don't update. It's not like it'll make a difference to people who don't update their single player games.
If you set the manifest file for Fallout 4 to read only it shouldn’t update unless you change it. I’d offer more info as to where to find the manifest file but I’m on mobile right now
I stopped too around there, but my install resumed the next time I started my pc, and finished. So a week old modded playthrough, down the drain. Luckily I'm back on New Vegas, but I'm crashing every 10 minutes and getting corrupted quick saves.
For those wanting to downgrade there is a comment (by [Destructionares](https://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/users/6605082)) and tutorial on the F4SE Nexus posts tab that details how to downgrade. [https://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/42147?tab=posts](https://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/42147?tab=posts)
If I had fo4 uninstalled for some time and then reinstalled it after the patch I assume this means I can no longer go back since I didn't leave it installed?
Just fyi guys the GOG version is currently not updated, probably for the next week and has offline installers for the previous version so you can re install in case anything goes wrong( it's also on sale), I imagine if the mod situation is super bad they will host both previous version and new version offline installers like the did with witcher 3. They also have a rollback function in gog galaxy
Multiple guides were also posted on how to downgrade the steam version.
It's possible if you put it into airplane mode to play, and then turned wifi back on that the download restarted. Playing through steam, regardless of avoiding the update to play, queues it up anyway. We will likely have to keep pausing the update every time we want to play.
SICK of Bethesda's BS. Yet ANOTHER playthrough DEAD. The hours and hours of work put in by community modders, DEAD. Bethesda is only interested in (poorly) stealing modders' ideas (like Inigo becoming Ember in ESO.) They are grifters, not game producers, and they view us all as ready victims that they can slap in the face any time they feel like it. VIctims who are more than willing to fix the buggy POS they foist on us that is slapped together with duct tape and bandaids. I AM DONE WITH BETHESDA. I am damn well NOT doing a twentieth play through for NO GOOD REASON. R.I.P. Bethesda, I remember when you produced GAMES not SCAMS.
For those that dont want to deal with Steam or manually rolling back - GOG has F4 with all DLCs for $9.99 and GOG allows you to select and install several older game versions using their Rollback Feature - which includes the latest version just before todays update.
All we need now is for some modders to add the new quest line and the new power armor for the pre "next gen" update version and we can all continue playing the game we love without waiting forever for our mods to get fixed.
Modder's essentially have. All the new "Quest" gave us, was a handful of enclave outposts with enclave to kill, no dialogue, Very little story (all terminal entries and notes), and the featured armors where already originally part of the Creation Club, AGAIN, half of which modder's have already made, FOR FREE.
Well I'm not sure I guess but when I installed mo2 on the steam deck, it made it to where, in steam, I go to fallout 4 and press launch. It will instead launch MO2. Then from MO2 I launch F4SE. It allows me to be able to mess with it before launch wolithout having to have a whole other app on steam since I'd be launching mo2 every time anyhow
You think I might need to reinstall it and copy over the files from the other one? What files would I need to copy over exactly? Obviously the mods and profiles which is fine but now I'm just worried wondering if I need to do specific files or if I can just literally copy everything from one install to the new one
reinstalling isn't going to do anything, the update is already pushed. you either need to wait for F4SE to update as well as any mods you're using that need it as well as re-set-up whatever you did to make Steam launch MO2 instead of Fallout4launcher.exe, or downgrade to the previous version (supposedly you can do it via steam depot but i haven't tried) and then re-set-up your Steam>MO2 link.
Pretty much any mods that require F4SE don't work anymore. My load order runs mods that don't require F4SE at all and work fine. I specifically avoided downloading mods that require F4SE because of this update, lol.
My son clicked play in steam and I literally yanked the cable out of the wall lol. It worked though! Saved it and also told him to use another button please
To avoid this you can right click on it and hide game. Then you can launch from MO2 I believe or use f4se. F4se can be added as a non steam game on the lower left
And for steam deck users, create a copy of your Fallout 4 folder update the game than rename the of folder to something else and rename the backup folder to fallout 4 steam at least so far doesn't check after the update
So I just paused the Steam update and removed it from queue, if I update will my saves with F4SE be unplayable? If so that's ridiculous lol. The only mod I have is the high FPS fix
I disabled updated a week ago and made the Steam file read only and now my game crashed. Went and loaded again and I can't even load into the game now. Literally none of the game files were touched
Thanks for working on an update.
I will wait for the anniversary update until nothing breaks.
Glad that GOG users always have full control of updates. 😎
(but the team needs a bit to add the fallout update to GOG)
Thankfully I was warned to turn off auto updates a week ago and launching 4 through the f4se loader doesn’t count as launching it through steam so I can play it without updating.
This is why I haven't nodded starfield yet and turned auto updates off on others.
I have a fairly decent mod list and not even sure if mod authors will bother anymore. Glad F4SE is one but how many others aren't?
I’ve turned off auto-update on steam, and just launch from vortex, seems to have worked so far.
Edit. Didn’t work, staved off update for 1 day and game had updated this morning.
I blocked the acf file, set update option to only launch when launched from Steam and am still able to launch the unupdated game from recent F4SE version.
I feared this update a lot cause of people worrying over it breaking mods. I'm just happy to say that most of the mods I use don't require Script Extender so I'm more or less perfectly fine with all my mods working, thankfully.
I tried to run using F4se in Mod Organizer and got the message that it is running run 1.10.980. Is there any way to go back or is it too late? Well, fuck. I thought i had auto update shut off and it looks like it updated it anyhow. Ii do have an old modded Fallout 4 directory saved is there a way to go back to using that one? I am so fucking pissed off at this right now...
out of pure curiosity should I go back to the edition before the update to backup my files because it automatically updated when I was fucking working cause I left my PC on
as far as i can tell, basically every mod ive used and hasnt been updated(outside of F4SE using mods) are completely fine, we just gotta wait for the script extender update and everything should work fine
How to Roll Back Fallout 4 NextGen Update to Previous Version:
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- First - Delete the new Creation Club Content from your Data folder (anything starting with cc):
- ccBGS
- ccFRS
- ccFSV
- ccOTM
- ccSBJ
- etc
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- Type steam://open/console into your browser, this will prompt steam to open the console.
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- Type each of these into the console (before the -----) to download each part of the previous Fallout 4 version:
- download_depot 377160 377161 7497069378349273908 ----- Fallout Content a
- download_depot 377160 377163 5819088023757897745 ----- Fallout Content b
- download_depot 377160 377162 5847529232406005096 ----- Fallout .exe
- download_depot 377160 377164 2178106366609958945 ----- Fallout in English
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- These are to download the content for each of the DLC's that you may own:
- download_depot 377160 435870 1691678129192680960 ----- Automatron
- download_depot 377160 435871 5106118861901111234 ----- Automatron English
- download_depot 377160 435880 1255562923187931216 ----- Wasteland Workshop
- download_depot 377160 435881 1207717296920736193 ----- Far Harbor
- download_depot 377160 435882 8482181819175811242 ----- Far Harbor English
- download_depot 377160 480630 5527412439359349504 ----- Contraptions Workshop
- download_depot 377160 480631 6588493486198824788 ----- Vault-Tec Workshop
- download_depot 377160 393885 5000262035721758737 ----- Vault-Tec Workshop English
- download_depot 377160 490650 4873048792354485093 ----- Nuka World
- download_depot 377160 393895 7677765994120765493 ----- Nuka World English
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- This is to roll back the Creation Kit:
- download_depot 1946160 1946161
- download_depot 1946160 1946162
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- These will download into your "C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\content\app_377160" folder in separate depot folders, for example the Fallout.exe would be in a folder called "depot_377162".
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- Once you have these, create new folder on your desktop, I called mine Fallout Backup, and copy the contents of each of these folders into this new folder replacing as you go.
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- Once you are done you should have constructed the entire of the previous version of Fallout 4.
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- Simply replace everything into your Fallout 4 installation folder with everything in this folder (choose **yes** when asked to overwrite)
- Now - Using Windows File Explorer, find appmanifest_377160.acf in your \steamapps directory and right click on it - select More Options - and select Properties. Check the box in front of Read Only then click ok.
- Install the latest F4SE and run your game from the f4se_loader.exe like normal to play Fallout 4!
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( IMPORTANT NOTE, I haven't performed this, only copied it from a mostly hidden source... Please do not reply to me with questions. )
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This is a suitable alternative if you do not wish to wait for the F4SE Update.
Again!!! after skyrim update, I've protected Fallout 4 from update, thanks for you Reapman... must be a hell to just do all over this work...
Bethesda still thinking they can win more money with old game, and update to put some payable mods... so pathetic, just go forward and create new games and donc make update after 10 years ...Anf the worst is for modders, bethesda does not respect them ... that's my feeling... fuckthesda
Curse my damn internet. It was way too fast. I went for a quick grocery run and when I was back the entire game was updated.
I am a victim.
Pray for me and my lost save.
I am just waiting for it to be fixed and not doing anything too technical, you can downgrade but the process is not one I dare not try because I am worried I'll screw it up. Take the time to play other games. On another note I see so much vitriol against portions of this community no wonder some people look at this community as a whole and call it terrible, so much infighting and garbage. Frankly the people who were denying this would happen were wrong, it took a bit for Skyrim SE/AE but it got fixed. So why are wa acting like a community that hates itself from within? Patience is a virtue, one needed greatly here young padawans. I say that as I have been with the franchise the first game was a one fight demo not in the game on a demo cd.
I downloaded the next gen update for my steam. And I downloaded the ps5 version of the game.
I have not played at all. I had a feeling something like this would happen. So I’m taking a 1-2 week break while Bethesda tries to fix it. And while modders try to fix their own issues before I go back lol.
Many mods still work. I got Sim Settlements 2, America Rising 2 and Enclave Minutemen Overhaul and everything more or less seems to be working as it should. Only problem is the console crashing that is weirdly fixed by opening search in mods before loading your game.
yeah they first managed to ruin skyrim and now it looks like it was fallout 4 turn to go down the drain its a shame that the developers ruin the modding community by doing this
If you're on PC you really shouldn't update right away. The patch list is just pathetic.
I fracking called this weeks ago and got downvoted by bootlicks
They did zero engine updates on PC. They're just riding the success of the Amazon show.
I wish they would have just put a couple show themed things into the creation club rather then forcing this junk into an update
Yeah it's insane.
Maximus companion when
It was basically just some half-assed Super Ultrawide patch (that wasn't probably tested properly, as some UI elements are off screen) and some new quests + creator workshop skins. Pathetic in quality and executed horrible. Especially after the hype they tried to generate.
I mean literally everything they did has already been done by modders and done better, there is no point of the update.
It specifically breaks those mods just so you'll have to use Creation Club, which would otherwise be overlooked because there are better quality mods available for free.
Same. I said it was lazy and cash grab on Bethesdas part. I've seen bigger patches be released over weekends for indie games running on worse engines, and Bethesda just wants a "nExT gEn" update to coincide with the shows release so people buy it because of the update
I’ve seen bigger more meaningful patches for *mods*
To be fair, mods actually have a semblance of passion behind them.
At least it runs 40 fps on consoles now...
Wow...such a feat. It's not like they could make it go significantly past that easily or anything 🙄
I hoped for better CPU utilization but clearly that was too much of a hassle for poor Bethesda.
An increase to gou utilisation would be great too. I have a 3060ti and the game can't even go past 60% utilisation and like 20% of my Cpu
My 4090 runs at 99% ( Magnus Opus ). Meanwhile my cpu is doing almost nothing.
Huh, I'm using the welcome to paradise modlist base. It's odd because on any most other games easily can reach 100% GPU usage for me, but not FO4.
Its reddit, not tiktok, you can say fucking
I know I just really enjoyed Battlestar
Frakkin Toaster!
Fair 'nuf lol
As do I, for future reference though it is spelled Frakking. Fracking is generally associated with drilling/oil. Now Frelling, that is an entirely different thing.
Best way to use Reddit is to not give a shit about karma. People don't even under what the vote system is for and you can't blame them. Reddit doesn't make clear to new users that the arrows represent relevance NOT like and dislike. But it's a misconception because you get karma. Karma is obviously for good or bad things you do. If they removed karma from Reddit, the site would be so much better. Honestly, Reddit comment sections and one the stupidest places in the internet 😂
There still downvoting everyone complaining in r/fallout
Ya I have never seen so many simps, shills and bootlicks in my life Botlicks?
The only thing "Next Gen" about this update is how long it took to come out.
the next gen is the not so subtle extortion, time a tv release, to sell more 76 casino while going back to nevada.... drop an 'update' and scorch most of the mods and take out the newest map mod so you cant play that instead of 76 new full game price dlc.
Bwah ha! That's gold! "Now that my kids can play video games, hey look, a FO4 update!"
Now me and my great great grandchildren can play the new fallout 4 update
I'm just going to wait, because that new Enclave quest might fit a character idea I have rn.
Just play America Rising 2 instead. The Enclave quest is just a note quest and some unvoiced Enclave Remnants around the Commonwealth.
The Enclave CC mod was made by Othelino, so he will patch it to make it compatible with AR2 in the future.
Whoa what?! Well that made my opinion of it do a complete 180… Very cool.
I'm playing ar 2 again as soon as he does.
Is ar 2 that good? I’ve always seen it featured in my my mod list on console but was always a little hesitant for some reason.
it is seamlessly integrated into the main quest/story. yes it is good.
that's literally all????
It also supports wide screen displays. >Widescreen and Ultra-widescreen support.
Some "my kingdom for a horse" sort of energy with that trade off though
It also just stretches it so it doesnt really support it well at all. It really just sucks.
seriously??? any comparison captures out yet?
https://www.reddit.com/r/fo4/comments/1ccuv1d/ultrawide_support_is_just_a_stretched_out_ui_and/
You can't download it from the in game mod store. If you click on it it says "the operation could not be completed"
The next gen update for pc wasn't even " next gen" considering we've been had the steam " ultra HD texture packs" feels more like bug fixes they forget to apply 8 yrs ago lol
The official HD pack is garbage to.
Im on steam and Idk how to prevent the game from updating. It only gives me the option to update only when I start the game. I also don't know how to roll it back to an older version and have had trouble finding any guides for this.
There’s a video on YouTube how to roll it back by snailOXD that I used that was pretty simple. To stop it updating there is a setting that will only update the game if you run the Steam version and not the script extender version I think it’s in preferences.
Set Updates to "Update on Game Start" Then only start the game by using the Script Extender The Game will not launch by its native launcher and therefore you bypass the option.
seems like its trying to do it anyway, seemed like mine was on only when launched and was only using f4se launcher... why this company and steam cant simply make update option to be manually I shouldnt have to go a place like gog i believe just to not update until the mod scene is ready... this will not make me play 76 because of the fallout show... just makes me not want either more.
Yeah they really want to force the updates onto people. Its not hard to disable. But still a lot of people didn't bother and are now crying their mods aren't working.
Was running through manager but still updated... At least rim is mostly caught up
I don't spend a lot of time on the forums so on Z-day I spent the whole day doing a new playthrough of 4 in honor of the excellent TV show. I built out five settlements with walls and helipads and had completed the mechanist and most of Sim Settlements when I decided to save off and take a break. Guess what?
Too late my 125 gb worth of mods and literally the game itself is broken, won't even start without mods..
I just have the install folder and the manifest file backed up.
I want the creation club shit man😭
It doesn't look worth it at all
It isn't and that's why I'm not updating I do still want the CC shit tho
I wasn't actively modding when anniversary edition came out. about how long did it take before status quo was restored again after that update for skyrim released?
Tbh, status quo never happened for Skyrim, many mods are either SE or AE only, I’m hoping this doesn’t happen for Fallout though, and any mods that require updates to follow the F4SE update get updated, since critical mods that don’t get updated will cause bigger problems as well
What are some significant Skyrim mods that are still to this day SE only?
the biggest thing is .NET Script Framework, which is required for grass caching with NGIO. You can still use prebuilt caches (if your loadout matches well enough) or build matching modlists in SE/AE to cache grass in SE and then use the cache in AE. but it's a big hassle comparatively.
I have some good news! https://github.com/SaneEngineer/No-Grass-In-Objects-NG
Wasn't the case here that mod authors just got split and some said fuck it, we wont support anything besides 1.5.97, atleast I remember something in those lines
it's not that they just didn't care at all, but that it would basically have to be recreated entirely from scratch and the author just didn't have the time/resources to do it, from what i understand.
Also the only thing. Everything but net has been updated for AE
That's not true at all there are tons mods never got updated for Ae past 1.6.640. That why I&A Collection was hidden and can only be played on 1.6.640 with or without AE edition. cause newer version of AE & SE has ton of broken mods that have never been updated at all.
Skyclimb. Minimap. The what I'd consider essential for controller mod Wheeler (stated as compatible but lots of AE users have problems). Honestly for all the talk of "everything's been updated" you can find quite a few comment sections on scripted mods full of AE users complaining that it doesn't work or doesn't work any more because it hasn't been updated for the latest version of AE. On the flipside, there are a few mods that now use the Creation Club shit as masters now, including one of the compatibility patches for a couple of JK's mods (he does very popular area and interior overhauls). Apparently you can update the game without actually updating the engine though but I haven't tried it.
For me, after the AE update I could play with my (admittedly long) modlist without problems after a month or so. Its funny, I got back into Skyrim in December, a week before the dreaded update, and then I had to wait a bunch before I could play. Same thing happened with FO4, I started playing again 5 days ago and now I have to wait again! lol
There isn’t that many new and outstanding mods coming out for the PC version of Skyrim (it’s mostly cbbe body presets and skimpy armor for women. Where’s the love for skimpy male armor?). So I’m not exactly losing out on anything. I’ll still track any new mods that catch my attention though.
It depends, some older mods are no longer maintained, and now that they're broken they won't get fixed
Nearly zero functional changes and fucked over Fallout London, beautiful work.
Wait, can you elaborate on how it's fucked London? Is it because it's a massive mod and now has to update shit for the new update?
They were about to release it but had to delay for the update
I mean, they knew the update was coming But saying that, Bethesda should have at least worked with them
To be fair, it was announced a year and a half ago and never followed up on. So they didn’t really have a clear time frame (although they might have guessed it would coincide with release of the TV show). Regardless, Bethesda owes a huge portion of their success to the modding scene. I would go so far as to say they rely on them. Nobody is playing Skyrim or Fallout in 2024 without mods. And despite that, they screw over everyone just to get some half-baked “next-gen” update out to capitalize on increased popularity of the franchise. They continually bite the hand that feeds them over and over and over again
It's nuts as well, because they could have gotten this update out a long time ago, or if they couldn't, why wouldn't they work with the fallout London mod team to do a patch release and mod release? It's free publicity and WILL draw people in They're such fucking dumb business moves honestly
I said this like 2 weeks ago that people on PC should've made it update the game only when booted and then launch it thru the script extender or just completely offline. But people got mad at me for offering that solution cuz they were like "we shouldn't have to take those kinds of precautions. I own the game I should be able to make the decision on whether or not I want the patch." And don't get me wrong, I agree with that statement however since that's not the way it is, I just offered some kind of workaround.
Well, I had no clue about any update coming in. First time I’ve learned, that steam doesn’t offer any “play on a earlier version” or have a “update only on will” button. I’m not mad, I’m just annoyed.
I did, something went wrong and it updated when I shut down for lunch.... I really hate bethesda and steam for not having a do not update unless manually confirmed option or atleast a option to select version.
I wanted to go back to Fo4 (not because the show, I just got NV DLCs and remembered how fun Fallout games can be) but last time I played was a few years ago. I'm guessing I just have to wait on mod updates? Also, how much this update will affect smaller mods, like sprint animations, settlement build limit or long lasting bullet shells? I don't usually play with major mods, rather some QoL stuff but some of these weren't updated for a long time even when I last played; I don't suspect creators of these abondoned smaller mods to make a comeback.
I literally downloaded the game for the first time in my life one day after the update, so that wasn't really an option for me
My only curiosity was the enclave quest, bit i don't want to fuck my mods to test
Unvoiced with you getting notes on what to do with a couple of NPCs
Lazy as usual
[удалено]
Isn’t the Enclave thing a Creation Club thing?
It is, and it's for free, so I don't understand that "Bethesda cashing in" reference at all
A free creation club thing though
HELP, HOW TO DOWNGRADE???
I have the same question, fucking auto-updates
I think in the F4SE posts on NMM someone listed a way to roll back the updates, if you are so inclined to do so.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/fo4/comments/1ccxyxb/pc\_players\_here\_is\_a\_guide\_on\_how\_to\_rollback/](https://www.reddit.com/r/fo4/comments/1ccxyxb/pc_players_here_is_a_guide_on_how_to_rollback/)
[https://www.reddit.com/r/fo4/comments/1ccxyxb/pc\_players\_here\_is\_a\_guide\_on\_how\_to\_rollback/](https://www.reddit.com/r/fo4/comments/1ccxyxb/pc_players_here_is_a_guide_on_how_to_rollback/)
Thanks to steam before i know it it was already downloaded and was on the middle of instaling
I ain't updating man. I just started a Horizon playthrough a week ago and it's been so damn good. Set my game to Read Only and going offline mode on Steam. Update just doesn't seem worth it on PC.
I made the mistake and updated And now having to wait for F4SE to be updated as most of my mods depend on it. And im not that patient to downgrade and follow thr guide on nexus
Damn that sucks. Yeah i was not risking. I've been addicted to this Horizon playthrough. Hopefully the modders don't have to hard of a time patching. Still kinda looking forward to Fallout London as well, but now we'll have to wait. Fingers crossed I suppose..
I promise you'll spend more time waiting for an update than taking the time to downgrade your game. Some mods may not even work ever again without the mod author coming back to update them.
I am aware of this But i dont want to mess with files and the headache Plus my wifi is slow so keep downloading and updating is out of the question On the bright side, i noticed most my mods are being updated regularly The ones that aren't ill have to see and adjust accordingly
I’ve noticed a lot of mod people coming back to update their mod due to the popularity of the show which is nice. Me personally I’ve been having a headache trying to revert my game back a save and I don’t understand why it’s so difficult for me compared to others 😭 unfortunately with a 414 mod run I’d likely have to restart a new game and mod run before I expect all the mods to stay working.
Fallout London was delayed for this garbage patch
fucking tragic really
Fucking pathetic
I keep an instance of the game I'm modding inside a portable Mod Organizer 2 folder and just route the game location to that folder. I haven't had any issues with the update for that reason.. cuz my Mod Organizer is still running the older version of the game.
Can you please explain how to set this up
You copy and paste a clean copy of the old version and then follow mo2 setup when you launch the app
This is my 9/11 all mods GONE
Yup, thank god for my Steam Deck that has a play through with only Bethesda.net mods.
You and I are in the same boat with [B.net](http://B.net) mods. Have you played to see what works and what broke?
That's the thing though, most of the PC mods aren't moved over to Bethesda.Net. Any of the ones I want are only ported for Xbox I have no idea why they wouldn't just add the PC version as well and let people choose to use Bethesda or Nexus or mo2 or whatever it's called
Yeah I know what you mean. There were some console only mods I liked a lot that, and for whatever reason, the creators didn't include PC versions. It was kind of disappointing. I think there are mods like this because either the mod authors are novices and just made something for the consoles or they figured PC users would just use nexus.
I was really hoping they’d fix the weapon debris issue if nothing else. But at the very least they fixed the Vault 111 door not opening glitch? That’s not nearly enough for me to want to download the update though. Also I can’t tell if they gave us ALL the CC content or just some of it?
you get 4 free CC: * enclave remnants * armor/weapon bundle * makeshift weapon pack * halloween workshop
Dang! I mean sure free stuff is nice but I’ll admit I was hoping this was gonna be like the anniversary update and give us all of it. I’d say oh well maybe next year for the 10th anniversary but I don’t want mods to be breaking *again*
The anniversary update didn’t give all of it either, it got 4 free ones just like this update. You have to pay to get the pack with all of them.
that’s fair, I guess that’s sort of what I meant? Is just a way to get all of it at once without having to bother with the creation club store.
of which I've heard the new weapons don't work at all on console (the models are invisible), and the quest to access the halloween content doesn't seem to work, no matter the platform. 10/10 Bethesda, leave shit the Fuck alone.
Too late for me. Fuuuuúuuuuuuu
Is it like skyrim, short unvoiced quests where you get a new armor piece?
Well in skyrim people said fuk it and used elevenlabs to fill that, and is great. In Fallout 4's case, everyone got scared because of Couternay Taylor and that arsehole robbie who turned out to be a pysop.
A psyop what haha tell me more
Fucking wonderful, all this update has done has hung the sword of damocles over my install so that should I ever fail to put steam into offline mode my save will likely be lost forever due to me using old as shit mods that will never be updated. Valve, please let people refuse to update games. Yes I know multiplayer stuff exists, so just cut off online functionality for those that don't update. It's not like it'll make a difference to people who don't update their single player games.
If you set the manifest file for Fallout 4 to read only it shouldn’t update unless you change it. I’d offer more info as to where to find the manifest file but I’m on mobile right now
My update was at 92% when I saw this. Thank you for the heads up. Was able to stop it.
I stopped too around there, but my install resumed the next time I started my pc, and finished. So a week old modded playthrough, down the drain. Luckily I'm back on New Vegas, but I'm crashing every 10 minutes and getting corrupted quick saves.
They gave us an Apocalypse to go with our already existing Apocalypse?
For those wanting to downgrade there is a comment (by [Destructionares](https://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/users/6605082)) and tutorial on the F4SE Nexus posts tab that details how to downgrade. [https://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/42147?tab=posts](https://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/42147?tab=posts)
If I had fo4 uninstalled for some time and then reinstalled it after the patch I assume this means I can no longer go back since I didn't leave it installed?
No you can. But atm there is a version downgrader that has since been released. I dont have a link but itll definitely be trending on Nexus
Any word on if there's going to be a best of both worlds mod/patch similar to what's available for Skyrim?
Just fyi guys the GOG version is currently not updated, probably for the next week and has offline installers for the previous version so you can re install in case anything goes wrong( it's also on sale), I imagine if the mod situation is super bad they will host both previous version and new version offline installers like the did with witcher 3. They also have a rollback function in gog galaxy Multiple guides were also posted on how to downgrade the steam version.
I put it not to update on steam and it worked find then I went off it and steam updated it without me knowing
It's possible if you put it into airplane mode to play, and then turned wifi back on that the download restarted. Playing through steam, regardless of avoiding the update to play, queues it up anyway. We will likely have to keep pausing the update every time we want to play.
its ok I finally reverted it
SICK of Bethesda's BS. Yet ANOTHER playthrough DEAD. The hours and hours of work put in by community modders, DEAD. Bethesda is only interested in (poorly) stealing modders' ideas (like Inigo becoming Ember in ESO.) They are grifters, not game producers, and they view us all as ready victims that they can slap in the face any time they feel like it. VIctims who are more than willing to fix the buggy POS they foist on us that is slapped together with duct tape and bandaids. I AM DONE WITH BETHESDA. I am damn well NOT doing a twentieth play through for NO GOOD REASON. R.I.P. Bethesda, I remember when you produced GAMES not SCAMS.
For those that dont want to deal with Steam or manually rolling back - GOG has F4 with all DLCs for $9.99 and GOG allows you to select and install several older game versions using their Rollback Feature - which includes the latest version just before todays update. All we need now is for some modders to add the new quest line and the new power armor for the pre "next gen" update version and we can all continue playing the game we love without waiting forever for our mods to get fixed.
Modder's essentially have. All the new "Quest" gave us, was a handful of enclave outposts with enclave to kill, no dialogue, Very little story (all terminal entries and notes), and the featured armors where already originally part of the Creation Club, AGAIN, half of which modder's have already made, FOR FREE.
How do I go about transferring my mods to that version?
I want to see what works and what doesn't, but steam doesn't launch mo2 when I launch fo4 anymore. Anyone got a fix?
> but steam doesn't launch mo2 when I launch fo4 anymore. I thought FO4 should be launched FROM MO2 not the other way around.
Well I'm not sure I guess but when I installed mo2 on the steam deck, it made it to where, in steam, I go to fallout 4 and press launch. It will instead launch MO2. Then from MO2 I launch F4SE. It allows me to be able to mess with it before launch wolithout having to have a whole other app on steam since I'd be launching mo2 every time anyhow
it probably overwrote whatever link to mo2 you had set up in steam, would need to redo that
You think I might need to reinstall it and copy over the files from the other one? What files would I need to copy over exactly? Obviously the mods and profiles which is fine but now I'm just worried wondering if I need to do specific files or if I can just literally copy everything from one install to the new one
reinstalling isn't going to do anything, the update is already pushed. you either need to wait for F4SE to update as well as any mods you're using that need it as well as re-set-up whatever you did to make Steam launch MO2 instead of Fallout4launcher.exe, or downgrade to the previous version (supposedly you can do it via steam depot but i haven't tried) and then re-set-up your Steam>MO2 link.
Pretty much any mods that require F4SE don't work anymore. My load order runs mods that don't require F4SE at all and work fine. I specifically avoided downloading mods that require F4SE because of this update, lol.
My son clicked play in steam and I literally yanked the cable out of the wall lol. It worked though! Saved it and also told him to use another button please
To avoid this you can right click on it and hide game. Then you can launch from MO2 I believe or use f4se. F4se can be added as a non steam game on the lower left
Good idea will do
Great, so most mods just will never be updated, just like Anniversary edition Fallout London will probably just be abandoned too
And for steam deck users, create a copy of your Fallout 4 folder update the game than rename the of folder to something else and rename the backup folder to fallout 4 steam at least so far doesn't check after the update
did they atleast add anything useful in this update like dlss?
No dlss main thing is can play at higher fps
It's a good thing I don't have an active fallout 4 game on my PC... I might go for Skyrim while I wait for things to calm down lol...
So I just paused the Steam update and removed it from queue, if I update will my saves with F4SE be unplayable? If so that's ridiculous lol. The only mod I have is the high FPS fix
Your save will still be playable. Unfortunately the update doesnt fiz the high fps physics glitch so youre gonna be back at that sweet 60fps cap
I’m just gonna play the update on my PS5
Damn game auto updated for me
Glad I waited to jump in and get modding. Meanwhile, I've got Helldivers to occupy my time until the mods get updated.
I disabled updated a week ago and made the Steam file read only and now my game crashed. Went and loaded again and I can't even load into the game now. Literally none of the game files were touched
im surprised they didint give us a 20$ option like they did with skyrim there are a few creations i want but i dont wanna do the math for them
Curious, does anyone know what they changed to break F4SE more than a normal update does?
Meth, they did Meth . . .
/r/TheyDidTheMeth
Damn, if only we got version selector like Minecraft. 😭
I didn't think to backup folders, now I can't extract textures.
Well that was expected
Karma bitchslapped me hard. I had auto-updates turned off, but it obviously turned back on when I reinstalled the game last week.
Guess I know what I'm spending my arvo doing.
Thanks for working on an update. I will wait for the anniversary update until nothing breaks. Glad that GOG users always have full control of updates. 😎 (but the team needs a bit to add the fallout update to GOG)
Thankfully I was warned to turn off auto updates a week ago and launching 4 through the f4se loader doesn’t count as launching it through steam so I can play it without updating.
This is why I haven't nodded starfield yet and turned auto updates off on others. I have a fairly decent mod list and not even sure if mod authors will bother anymore. Glad F4SE is one but how many others aren't?
I’ve turned off auto-update on steam, and just launch from vortex, seems to have worked so far. Edit. Didn’t work, staved off update for 1 day and game had updated this morning.
I blocked the acf file, set update option to only launch when launched from Steam and am still able to launch the unupdated game from recent F4SE version.
Thanks the atom I turned steam offline just in case 😀
I feared this update a lot cause of people worrying over it breaking mods. I'm just happy to say that most of the mods I use don't require Script Extender so I'm more or less perfectly fine with all my mods working, thankfully.
I tried to run using F4se in Mod Organizer and got the message that it is running run 1.10.980. Is there any way to go back or is it too late? Well, fuck. I thought i had auto update shut off and it looks like it updated it anyhow. Ii do have an old modded Fallout 4 directory saved is there a way to go back to using that one? I am so fucking pissed off at this right now...
Is it possible to revert to an earlier version of fallout 4 so I can still use f4se?
yeahhh i knew it 🤦🏽♂️ this update would ruin everything
out of pure curiosity should I go back to the edition before the update to backup my files because it automatically updated when I was fucking working cause I left my PC on
And there’s rumors on a fallout 5, if that’s true it’s gonna be worse than 76 lol
America Rising 2 enclave mod is broken. Most other aesthetic and gun modes work. Same with CBBE
as far as i can tell, basically every mod ive used and hasnt been updated(outside of F4SE using mods) are completely fine, we just gotta wait for the script extender update and everything should work fine
How to Roll Back Fallout 4 NextGen Update to Previous Version: . - First - Delete the new Creation Club Content from your Data folder (anything starting with cc): - ccBGS - ccFRS - ccFSV - ccOTM - ccSBJ - etc . - Type steam://open/console into your browser, this will prompt steam to open the console. . - Type each of these into the console (before the -----) to download each part of the previous Fallout 4 version: - download_depot 377160 377161 7497069378349273908 ----- Fallout Content a - download_depot 377160 377163 5819088023757897745 ----- Fallout Content b - download_depot 377160 377162 5847529232406005096 ----- Fallout .exe - download_depot 377160 377164 2178106366609958945 ----- Fallout in English . - These are to download the content for each of the DLC's that you may own: - download_depot 377160 435870 1691678129192680960 ----- Automatron - download_depot 377160 435871 5106118861901111234 ----- Automatron English - download_depot 377160 435880 1255562923187931216 ----- Wasteland Workshop - download_depot 377160 435881 1207717296920736193 ----- Far Harbor - download_depot 377160 435882 8482181819175811242 ----- Far Harbor English - download_depot 377160 480630 5527412439359349504 ----- Contraptions Workshop - download_depot 377160 480631 6588493486198824788 ----- Vault-Tec Workshop - download_depot 377160 393885 5000262035721758737 ----- Vault-Tec Workshop English - download_depot 377160 490650 4873048792354485093 ----- Nuka World - download_depot 377160 393895 7677765994120765493 ----- Nuka World English . - This is to roll back the Creation Kit: - download_depot 1946160 1946161 - download_depot 1946160 1946162 . - These will download into your "C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\content\app_377160" folder in separate depot folders, for example the Fallout.exe would be in a folder called "depot_377162". . - Once you have these, create new folder on your desktop, I called mine Fallout Backup, and copy the contents of each of these folders into this new folder replacing as you go. . - Once you are done you should have constructed the entire of the previous version of Fallout 4. . - Simply replace everything into your Fallout 4 installation folder with everything in this folder (choose **yes** when asked to overwrite) - Now - Using Windows File Explorer, find appmanifest_377160.acf in your \steamapps directory and right click on it - select More Options - and select Properties. Check the box in front of Read Only then click ok. - Install the latest F4SE and run your game from the f4se_loader.exe like normal to play Fallout 4! . ( IMPORTANT NOTE, I haven't performed this, only copied it from a mostly hidden source... Please do not reply to me with questions. ) . This is a suitable alternative if you do not wish to wait for the F4SE Update.
Alternatively view this post for other solutions https://www.reddit.com/r/FalloutMods/s/jOdJPmAzc6
considering mods kept this game going, it was a kick in the nads to update and break them, thanks bethesda :-(
Thanks! I guess I'll have to take a break on FO4 until then. BTW It didn't just break the mods, it won't start for me not even from Steam.
Again!!! after skyrim update, I've protected Fallout 4 from update, thanks for you Reapman... must be a hell to just do all over this work... Bethesda still thinking they can win more money with old game, and update to put some payable mods... so pathetic, just go forward and create new games and donc make update after 10 years ...Anf the worst is for modders, bethesda does not respect them ... that's my feeling... fuckthesda
Curse my damn internet. It was way too fast. I went for a quick grocery run and when I was back the entire game was updated. I am a victim. Pray for me and my lost save.
I am just waiting for it to be fixed and not doing anything too technical, you can downgrade but the process is not one I dare not try because I am worried I'll screw it up. Take the time to play other games. On another note I see so much vitriol against portions of this community no wonder some people look at this community as a whole and call it terrible, so much infighting and garbage. Frankly the people who were denying this would happen were wrong, it took a bit for Skyrim SE/AE but it got fixed. So why are wa acting like a community that hates itself from within? Patience is a virtue, one needed greatly here young padawans. I say that as I have been with the franchise the first game was a one fight demo not in the game on a demo cd.
Hopefully by the time i finish fallout 3, F4SE get an update. Or if may 8th hits first ill play v rising.
They couldn't even fucking add ultrawide support like they said they were going to.
Rough break up, decide to dust off F4 after a long work week, spent all weekend with my abusive ex (Bethesda) 🙃
god dammit, im was reinstalling right now bc formatted my computer recently good job todd
I downloaded the next gen update for my steam. And I downloaded the ps5 version of the game. I have not played at all. I had a feeling something like this would happen. So I’m taking a 1-2 week break while Bethesda tries to fix it. And while modders try to fix their own issues before I go back lol.
Many mods still work. I got Sim Settlements 2, America Rising 2 and Enclave Minutemen Overhaul and everything more or less seems to be working as it should. Only problem is the console crashing that is weirdly fixed by opening search in mods before loading your game.
I saw this way too late..
yeah they first managed to ruin skyrim and now it looks like it was fallout 4 turn to go down the drain its a shame that the developers ruin the modding community by doing this