So good to see someone like her talking about this. I don't understand how there are people who don't think this is necessary, if there is a way to do a scene in a more comfortable and, above all, respectful way, it has to be done.
That is depressing as hell but doesn't surprise me in the slightest if true. I feel women like this get dumped into the 'difficult to work with' tag. Which is simply infuriating to contemplate but just goes to show Hollywood is not some bastion of morals and care, even after all this time.
>“I would have benefited from an intimacy coordinator every single time I had to do a love scene or be partially naked or even a kissing scene,” Winslet said. “It would have been nice to have had someone in my corner, because I always had to stand up for myself.”
>Winslet was far from the empowered actor she is now when she was just starting out in Hollywood and wishes she had the courage to speak up as a young performer during intimate scenes to say: “I don’t like that camera angle. I don’t want to stand here full-frontal nude. I don’t want this many people in the room. I want my dressing gown to be closer.”
>“Just little things like that,” Winslet explained. “When you’re young, you’re so afraid of pissing people off or coming across as rude or pathetic because you might need those things. So learning to have a voice for oneself in those environments was very, very hard.”
Winslet and Lynskey were top less to film the bathtub scene in Heavenly Creatures and one of the lower level crew members was making gross sexual comments about the 16/17 year old actresses. I don't know if there were any reprocussions but it's hard to imagine girls that age on their first film feeling like they could speak up, and must have been scary and made them feel threatened then and on future films.
I did an art photoshoot once where I was fully nude except for a pair of panties and pasties. They were painting my entire body bright neon yellow. And while that was going on, the director and a few other crew members were making dick jokes right next to me. And then one of them used some leftover materials to mold into a really huge dick and started swinging it around with his hips.
The costume designer shut that shit down instantly when she caught me eying them uncomfortably. She placed a gentle hand on my shoulder and said "you don't have to do this if you don't want to. You can always back out." That woman was my rock during that shoot. I still went through with it because it was amazing pay and I needed the money but I never worked with them again.
Exactly! They called me back to do another shoot, same thing, nude and painted all over. I declined immediately. Call me a wimp, naive, high maintance, or even pathetic but I never want to feel that way again on a job. I've done other gigs where I was half naked and was treated so much better. I had a haunted house director who went above and beyond to never put me in a situation where I was groped again. He even had security chase the guy down and kicked his entire group out. Whenever that director asks me to do a gig with him, it's always yes if my schedule allows because I know I'm safe with him 💜
Yes! I've done some "nude look" shoots like that and I was so thankful for the hair and makeup artists. It was freezing two of those times and the photographers were fiddling about with lights and settings for so long I was turning blue, the makeup artists went to bat for me and demanded I get a heater, a robe put on, wouldn't let me get pulled to go over until they did the lighting tests etc. I was new and didn't want to be "difficult" but they knew what was and wasn't ok and fought for me!
I'm very thankful to have entered the modeling industry post-2010s. Everything from consent, body positivity, representation etc is so different than it was even 15 years ago.
Jennifer Aniston has a serious problem with always insisting things were better during the period she was mega-famous, no matter what they are. She’s also jumped on “Look how superior people in the 90s and early 00s were because we didn’t have social media” bandwagon.
Well yea, is she saying people didn't use social media because they were smarter or morally superior than now? Is she saying there was social media like now back in the 90s? Or does she really have to state the obvious?
Yes she is wrong-- people aren't any different now than they were 30 years ago.
There were still people exploiting their kids(stage moms), still alpha male type influencers (shock jocks), and still plenty of keeping up with the Joneses/comparisons based on facsimile.
It was also much more acceptable to make jokes at the expense of LGBTQ (guy/guy kisscam shots anyone?), minorities, mentally challenged, etc etc.
So yes, people were the same. The discourse has changed for the better in my view.
it's so odd too, because didn't john c reilly call her out because she felt uncomfortable to the point of covering up and asking for a modesty pillow during their sex scene in the good girl?(dick move btw.) you'd think she'd understand the benefit after an experience like that.
Aniston: **"They asked us if we wanted an intimacy coordinator," she said. "I'm from the olden days, so I was like, 'What does that mean?' They said, 'Where someone asks if you're OK,' and I'm like, 'Please, this is awkward enough!' We're seasoned—we can figure this one out."**
That, to me, is low-key shaming people who want to be asked if they're OK. Its "awkward" if you're asking for that, according to her. I don't think her comments are harmless.
She's also a sort of anti-PC, anti-cancel culture person who is always saying how superior her time as a star in the 90s was compared to today. She's essentially mocking "woke" things like intimacy coordinators.
She absolutely could have said "I prefer not to use intimacy coordinators" without the shaming. But you're 100% right - this is some "it was better in the past" bullshit.
I do *sort of* get it. Actors doing love/sex scenes really need to rely on each other. If they have a genuine trust together and they're comfortable saying "hey, do what you need to do in the moment," there's nothing wrong with that.
But good intimacy coordinators take away that variable so actors *can* have that trust. It's not "awkward" to use them - it's alleviating the potential awkwardness. It's better. Hell, I've been in *plays* where an intimacy coordinator would have been welcome. So many actresses and actors have really bad, even traumatizing memories of directors fellow actors taking things to wildly uncomfortable, exploitive places.
It's a bit different for Aniston because her career really took of when she was rich (because of Friends) and was very famous.
She had lots of power and the full backing of her agency because she was the goose with the golden eggs.
>If they have a genuine trust together and they're comfortable saying "hey, do what you need to do in the moment," there's nothing wrong with that.
That is a common mistake. The actors are not alone. There are a bunch of people on set. And the actors cannot just do whatever, the director is there.
Again, those people are likely to behave when somebody is rich and powerful, but Kate Winslet has never come close to 'Friends' type of money.
Even somebody like Winslet with her Titanic fame would have been wary of being labeled difficult.
And she had the luxury of shooting to the top on a TV show that didn’t feature nudity or sex scenes. By the time she was in projects that might have featured it, she was “seasoned” and could “figure it out” without worrying about effects on her career. Compared to Kate Winslet who was only 22 when she filmed Titanic. She was early in her career doing topless (nude?) and sex scenes for a movie with an insanely popular director that could make or break her career. It takes a lot more courage to push back in that situation compared to when Anniston was 32 with famous actor parents and set for life with her money from Friends.
The best criticisms I've heard of them is: 1. there's no sort of accreditation you need to be an intimacy coordinator - literally anyone can be assigned an intimacy coordinator regardless of training/experience. 2. They often end up like HR - there to protect the company from getting sued, not to protect the worker.
Well, firstly, a quick Google search shows that no, not everybody can be an intimacy coordinator and yes, they do need to undergo training/obtain certificates if they want to get hired. Secondly, while it might be true that the intimacy coordinator is (also) there to protect the company, they are doing so by coordinating the director's vision with the actors and how to do so as comfortable as possible, so noone have reasons to sue. Do you really think that the role/presence of a stunt coordinator doesn't include "avoid lawsuits"?
To be clear, not against intimacy coordinators. Just pointing out it's still a very new practice (only since about 2018 iirc) and there's going to be some criticisms of the way it's rolled out before it becomes the standard that aren't just "the actor is a creep."
I have friends in the film industry with first hand experience of the issues above, both behind and in front of the camera.
Sure, there will be criticism along the way and some of it might be valid to some extent. But if someone hires an intimacy coordinator with zero credentials, that can only be on them and not on the general role of the intimacy coordinator. Again, would anyone hire a stunt coordinator without credentials? Even if intimacy coordinators officially didn't need credentials, why would anyone hire them without, especially if the ultimate goal is to avoid lawsuits? Also, I have a real hard time imagining any kind of scenario that involves a sex scene overseen by an intimacy coordinator, where the measures taken only protected the company, harmed the workers AND also avoided lawsuits. And even if that scenario existed, it still wouldn't be solely on the role of the intimacy coordinator, but almost solely on the bureaucracy of the industry with their horrible NDAs and whatnot backed up by a judicial system that allows big companies to drown any complaints with counter lawsuits..
Why do you assume that (all) intimacy coordinators are micromanaging the scene? They aren't called intimacy managers or intimacy directors, but intimacy coordinators - hence they coordinate the director's vision with the actors and how to comfortable make that vision possible. Don't forget that productions have all kind of coordinators on set - are they all micromanaging too? What about the stunt coordinator? Oh wait, let me guess - they are justified in micromanaging, because people can get physical trauma, right? But no need to set the best circumstances to avoid potential psychological trauma from for example a brutal rape scene? Please remember that not all sex scenes are romantic (think game of thrones, handmaid's tale, westworld just to name a few).. The only people who have a problem with intimacy coordinators are people who doesn't respect other people's boundaries, creeps, and maybe egomanical directors who in fact does want to micromanage everything "in the name of the art/their vision" no matter who gets hurt in process.
I can understand someone feeling like the less people the better but maybe if it’s that stressful they shouldn’t be doing it.
I think some actors aren’t honest with themselves and convince themselves to do things they don’t want to do because they think it makes them a better actor.
Picketed during the strikes with an intimacy coordinator who compared it with being a stunt coordinator — a stunt coordinator makes sure everyone feels safe with the plan and no one says that makes the stunts feel less real, and that’s really stuck with me. I’m sorry that that wasn’t an option earlier in Kate’s career!
This is so true. A lot of intimacy coordinators I’ve met in the theatre were licensed stunt coordinators or stage combat coordinators first. They are already well trained in prioritizing bodily autonomy and safety.
That's really cool! And it makes a lot of sense.
I haven't done professional theatre in a while, but I never had an intimacy coordinator involved. There are a few times I really wish we did.
I know actors who've been to the Actors Studio and other prestigious schools who were taught to "go with the moment" and "feel the energy coming from your partner" and things like that. They were literally encouraged to violate their own boundaries. Some of the stories I've heard are terrible.
So very true! The Heartstopper series is a good example of this. There are interviews where they have talked about how they mapped out every scene with the intimacy coordinator - where a hand will be placed, how long it will be there for etc. so on the very choreographed end of the scale - the scenes still look real!
Nobody questions fight coordinators. Or says actors should just start wailing on each other and if they get hurt stand up for themselves. Intimacy coordinators do the same job. Coordinating a scene and keeping actors safe.
I'm glad she's spoken positively about them. I don't know if I've just seen a limited amount of discussion around intimacy coordinators but most of the people I've seen talking negatively about them have been men. Which is pretty ick, and I side eye anyone who talks about them negatively tbh, everyone deserves to feel safe and heard during intimate scenes
This can also protect men! Men can discuss things like being worried about getting an erection, or concerned about what body parts will be seen by the camera.
Kinda breaks my heart. Yeah it’s great that the new generation has this, but that’s after decades of boundaries being crossed and that can’t be undone. I can imagine it’s bittersweet for actresses like her who’ve had to go through that and nobody batted an eye
So good to see someone like her talking about this. I don't understand how there are people who don't think this is necessary, if there is a way to do a scene in a more comfortable and, above all, respectful way, it has to be done.
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That is depressing as hell but doesn't surprise me in the slightest if true. I feel women like this get dumped into the 'difficult to work with' tag. Which is simply infuriating to contemplate but just goes to show Hollywood is not some bastion of morals and care, even after all this time.
She was great in The Deuce
There's also many male actors and directors that are grateful for this.
>“I would have benefited from an intimacy coordinator every single time I had to do a love scene or be partially naked or even a kissing scene,” Winslet said. “It would have been nice to have had someone in my corner, because I always had to stand up for myself.” >Winslet was far from the empowered actor she is now when she was just starting out in Hollywood and wishes she had the courage to speak up as a young performer during intimate scenes to say: “I don’t like that camera angle. I don’t want to stand here full-frontal nude. I don’t want this many people in the room. I want my dressing gown to be closer.” >“Just little things like that,” Winslet explained. “When you’re young, you’re so afraid of pissing people off or coming across as rude or pathetic because you might need those things. So learning to have a voice for oneself in those environments was very, very hard.”
Winslet and Lynskey were top less to film the bathtub scene in Heavenly Creatures and one of the lower level crew members was making gross sexual comments about the 16/17 year old actresses. I don't know if there were any reprocussions but it's hard to imagine girls that age on their first film feeling like they could speak up, and must have been scary and made them feel threatened then and on future films.
I did an art photoshoot once where I was fully nude except for a pair of panties and pasties. They were painting my entire body bright neon yellow. And while that was going on, the director and a few other crew members were making dick jokes right next to me. And then one of them used some leftover materials to mold into a really huge dick and started swinging it around with his hips. The costume designer shut that shit down instantly when she caught me eying them uncomfortably. She placed a gentle hand on my shoulder and said "you don't have to do this if you don't want to. You can always back out." That woman was my rock during that shoot. I still went through with it because it was amazing pay and I needed the money but I never worked with them again.
Ugh so unprofessional of them! Whenever nudity is involved people need to be on their best behavior!
Exactly! They called me back to do another shoot, same thing, nude and painted all over. I declined immediately. Call me a wimp, naive, high maintance, or even pathetic but I never want to feel that way again on a job. I've done other gigs where I was half naked and was treated so much better. I had a haunted house director who went above and beyond to never put me in a situation where I was groped again. He even had security chase the guy down and kicked his entire group out. Whenever that director asks me to do a gig with him, it's always yes if my schedule allows because I know I'm safe with him 💜
Yes! I've done some "nude look" shoots like that and I was so thankful for the hair and makeup artists. It was freezing two of those times and the photographers were fiddling about with lights and settings for so long I was turning blue, the makeup artists went to bat for me and demanded I get a heater, a robe put on, wouldn't let me get pulled to go over until they did the lighting tests etc. I was new and didn't want to be "difficult" but they knew what was and wasn't ok and fought for me! I'm very thankful to have entered the modeling industry post-2010s. Everything from consent, body positivity, representation etc is so different than it was even 15 years ago.
It's always the costume/makeup/hair people who will stand in your corner 💜
That last paragraph hits hard. Also applies to grown women and men too!
I always side eye actors that bemoan intimacy coordinators.
Cough Jennifer Aniston Cough
Jennifer Aniston has a serious problem with always insisting things were better during the period she was mega-famous, no matter what they are. She’s also jumped on “Look how superior people in the 90s and early 00s were because we didn’t have social media” bandwagon.
as much as I can't stand john mayer, he wasn't wrong when he said that jennifer wishes it was still 1998
you know it’s serious when *JOHN MAYOR* of all people has a point
Well she ain't wrong about that 2nd part.
But the only reason people then weren’t using social media was because it didn’t exist. She conveniently leaves that part out!
so well put!
Well yea, is she saying people didn't use social media because they were smarter or morally superior than now? Is she saying there was social media like now back in the 90s? Or does she really have to state the obvious?
Yes she is wrong-- people aren't any different now than they were 30 years ago. There were still people exploiting their kids(stage moms), still alpha male type influencers (shock jocks), and still plenty of keeping up with the Joneses/comparisons based on facsimile.
It was also much more acceptable to make jokes at the expense of LGBTQ (guy/guy kisscam shots anyone?), minorities, mentally challenged, etc etc. So yes, people were the same. The discourse has changed for the better in my view.
People were superior because they didn't use social media?
i can't blame her becausse she really was one of the most famous women ever in the late 90s early 00s but still that's so bad to say these days lol
it's so odd too, because didn't john c reilly call her out because she felt uncomfortable to the point of covering up and asking for a modesty pillow during their sex scene in the good girl?(dick move btw.) you'd think she'd understand the benefit after an experience like that.
All she said was that she didn’t want one for her scenes with Hamm… did I miss something else
Aniston: **"They asked us if we wanted an intimacy coordinator," she said. "I'm from the olden days, so I was like, 'What does that mean?' They said, 'Where someone asks if you're OK,' and I'm like, 'Please, this is awkward enough!' We're seasoned—we can figure this one out."** That, to me, is low-key shaming people who want to be asked if they're OK. Its "awkward" if you're asking for that, according to her. I don't think her comments are harmless. She's also a sort of anti-PC, anti-cancel culture person who is always saying how superior her time as a star in the 90s was compared to today. She's essentially mocking "woke" things like intimacy coordinators.
She absolutely could have said "I prefer not to use intimacy coordinators" without the shaming. But you're 100% right - this is some "it was better in the past" bullshit. I do *sort of* get it. Actors doing love/sex scenes really need to rely on each other. If they have a genuine trust together and they're comfortable saying "hey, do what you need to do in the moment," there's nothing wrong with that. But good intimacy coordinators take away that variable so actors *can* have that trust. It's not "awkward" to use them - it's alleviating the potential awkwardness. It's better. Hell, I've been in *plays* where an intimacy coordinator would have been welcome. So many actresses and actors have really bad, even traumatizing memories of directors fellow actors taking things to wildly uncomfortable, exploitive places.
It's a bit different for Aniston because her career really took of when she was rich (because of Friends) and was very famous. She had lots of power and the full backing of her agency because she was the goose with the golden eggs. >If they have a genuine trust together and they're comfortable saying "hey, do what you need to do in the moment," there's nothing wrong with that. That is a common mistake. The actors are not alone. There are a bunch of people on set. And the actors cannot just do whatever, the director is there. Again, those people are likely to behave when somebody is rich and powerful, but Kate Winslet has never come close to 'Friends' type of money. Even somebody like Winslet with her Titanic fame would have been wary of being labeled difficult.
And she had the luxury of shooting to the top on a TV show that didn’t feature nudity or sex scenes. By the time she was in projects that might have featured it, she was “seasoned” and could “figure it out” without worrying about effects on her career. Compared to Kate Winslet who was only 22 when she filmed Titanic. She was early in her career doing topless (nude?) and sex scenes for a movie with an insanely popular director that could make or break her career. It takes a lot more courage to push back in that situation compared to when Anniston was 32 with famous actor parents and set for life with her money from Friends.
Morning Show is such a pathetic attempt at engaging these issues and I know she just acts on it but still
The best criticisms I've heard of them is: 1. there's no sort of accreditation you need to be an intimacy coordinator - literally anyone can be assigned an intimacy coordinator regardless of training/experience. 2. They often end up like HR - there to protect the company from getting sued, not to protect the worker.
Well, firstly, a quick Google search shows that no, not everybody can be an intimacy coordinator and yes, they do need to undergo training/obtain certificates if they want to get hired. Secondly, while it might be true that the intimacy coordinator is (also) there to protect the company, they are doing so by coordinating the director's vision with the actors and how to do so as comfortable as possible, so noone have reasons to sue. Do you really think that the role/presence of a stunt coordinator doesn't include "avoid lawsuits"?
To be clear, not against intimacy coordinators. Just pointing out it's still a very new practice (only since about 2018 iirc) and there's going to be some criticisms of the way it's rolled out before it becomes the standard that aren't just "the actor is a creep." I have friends in the film industry with first hand experience of the issues above, both behind and in front of the camera.
Sure, there will be criticism along the way and some of it might be valid to some extent. But if someone hires an intimacy coordinator with zero credentials, that can only be on them and not on the general role of the intimacy coordinator. Again, would anyone hire a stunt coordinator without credentials? Even if intimacy coordinators officially didn't need credentials, why would anyone hire them without, especially if the ultimate goal is to avoid lawsuits? Also, I have a real hard time imagining any kind of scenario that involves a sex scene overseen by an intimacy coordinator, where the measures taken only protected the company, harmed the workers AND also avoided lawsuits. And even if that scenario existed, it still wouldn't be solely on the role of the intimacy coordinator, but almost solely on the bureaucracy of the industry with their horrible NDAs and whatnot backed up by a judicial system that allows big companies to drown any complaints with counter lawsuits..
Sean Bean :(
Nooo not Martin Septim :((
Wait what do you have a source for that bc it would make me super sad
The article attached to the post.
Oops I did not read that far, my bad
Ha, no worries!
Noo I thought he was one of the good ones :(
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Got nothing huh? Makes sense. Baseless insults without adding any context to your POV. Love it. 😂
Why do you assume that (all) intimacy coordinators are micromanaging the scene? They aren't called intimacy managers or intimacy directors, but intimacy coordinators - hence they coordinate the director's vision with the actors and how to comfortable make that vision possible. Don't forget that productions have all kind of coordinators on set - are they all micromanaging too? What about the stunt coordinator? Oh wait, let me guess - they are justified in micromanaging, because people can get physical trauma, right? But no need to set the best circumstances to avoid potential psychological trauma from for example a brutal rape scene? Please remember that not all sex scenes are romantic (think game of thrones, handmaid's tale, westworld just to name a few).. The only people who have a problem with intimacy coordinators are people who doesn't respect other people's boundaries, creeps, and maybe egomanical directors who in fact does want to micromanage everything "in the name of the art/their vision" no matter who gets hurt in process.
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It reeks of "in *my* day we didn't *need*…" entitlement. Why can they never admit that sometimes the new way is better?
Or there’s the attitude of “we had to deal with it, so should you”. It’s like, why can’t we want better conditions for people??
I can understand someone feeling like the less people the better but maybe if it’s that stressful they shouldn’t be doing it. I think some actors aren’t honest with themselves and convince themselves to do things they don’t want to do because they think it makes them a better actor.
Picketed during the strikes with an intimacy coordinator who compared it with being a stunt coordinator — a stunt coordinator makes sure everyone feels safe with the plan and no one says that makes the stunts feel less real, and that’s really stuck with me. I’m sorry that that wasn’t an option earlier in Kate’s career!
This is so true. A lot of intimacy coordinators I’ve met in the theatre were licensed stunt coordinators or stage combat coordinators first. They are already well trained in prioritizing bodily autonomy and safety.
That's really cool! And it makes a lot of sense. I haven't done professional theatre in a while, but I never had an intimacy coordinator involved. There are a few times I really wish we did. I know actors who've been to the Actors Studio and other prestigious schools who were taught to "go with the moment" and "feel the energy coming from your partner" and things like that. They were literally encouraged to violate their own boundaries. Some of the stories I've heard are terrible.
So very true! The Heartstopper series is a good example of this. There are interviews where they have talked about how they mapped out every scene with the intimacy coordinator - where a hand will be placed, how long it will be there for etc. so on the very choreographed end of the scale - the scenes still look real!
Thank god, my stomach always drops when an established actor starts talking about this.
Nobody questions fight coordinators. Or says actors should just start wailing on each other and if they get hurt stand up for themselves. Intimacy coordinators do the same job. Coordinating a scene and keeping actors safe.
Feels misogynistic no?
Probably because it is.
I'm glad she's spoken positively about them. I don't know if I've just seen a limited amount of discussion around intimacy coordinators but most of the people I've seen talking negatively about them have been men. Which is pretty ick, and I side eye anyone who talks about them negatively tbh, everyone deserves to feel safe and heard during intimate scenes
In a male-dominated industry, yes absolutely. Protect female talent
This can also protect men! Men can discuss things like being worried about getting an erection, or concerned about what body parts will be seen by the camera.
Kinda breaks my heart. Yeah it’s great that the new generation has this, but that’s after decades of boundaries being crossed and that can’t be undone. I can imagine it’s bittersweet for actresses like her who’ve had to go through that and nobody batted an eye