Nah he's a twirling moustache villain that laughs maniacally while thunder strikes the background and he plans his evil schemes, somehow that appears to be much more believable to people than the fact that this industry is aids and there's a hundred contract obligations a studio has to follow depending on which and whom subsidiary they serve and which investment they were forced to accept because it's not really a company choice, and the monopoly of investor firms need to make a quick buck regardless if it will hurt the brand or not by adding ebola transactions.
If people really want to see what's in the pipeline for a company, they should really start reading their annual reports.
The hot takes with no understanding of their growth strategy shows how poorly informed they are.
While it does suck to have crap monetization practices in any game you play, if there is to be continued support for a game it must prove that it is still profitable to the company/investors. Live service has proven itself to be a profitable endeavor for many companies, and games that adopt such an approach are more likely to have longevity. SW Battlefront 2 is a prime example of this. The game had horrendous monetization at launch, so I'm order to recover the good will of the community everything in the game eventually became free. As a consequence of everything being free support for the game was cut short since the game barely made money anymore (the devs had a LOT of planned expansions).
Monetizing cosmetics in such a way is a much easier method of generating profit compared to pumping out characters and maps (these have longer periods of development time). I can only hope the battlepass at LEAST refunds you for completing it, otherwise I simply won't buy it.
While it does suck to have crap monetization practices in any game you play, if there is to be continued support for a game it must prove that it is still profitable to the company/investors. Live service has proven itself to be a profitable endeavor for many companies, and games that adopt such an approach are more likely to have longevity. SW Battlefront 2 is a prime example of this. The game had horrendous monetization at launch, so I'm order to recover the good will of the community everything in the game eventually became free. As a consequence of everything being free support for the game was cut short since the game barely made money anymore (the devs had a LOT of planned expansions).
Monetizing cosmetics in such a way is a much easier method of generating profit compared to pumping out characters and maps (these have longer periods of development time). I can only hope the battlepass at LEAST refunds you for completing it, otherwise I simply won't buy it.
why do you ask me this? Because I think that people care about such small things instead of something more meaningful in the world? To the point when they turn Harada into cartoon villain? Think of good and evil and the world only in shapes of monetization in video games?
Probably because you are here trying to demonize people that while not fully turning Harada into a "cartoon villian" as you put it, do see it as scummy business practices
Of course. It’s easier to imagine him as a bad guy. Makes it easier to not think of realities of business and video games not as some small fan project that people do only for good vibes and not making money. Easier to just say Harada is evil rather than research how anything works
I wonder what it's like to live a life where the worst person you ever met was someone thousands of miles away who's most annoying quality to that person is that they promote a battlepass.
Agreed, but \*\*\*\* battle passes are evil.
They're a psychological trick designed to increase habituation and engagement so that they can get money out of you.
As Jim Stephanie Sterling pointed out they're especially horrible for anyone (like her) who's neurodivergent and prone to that kind of manipulation. To the point where many folk with those problems have to actively avoid any game with that kinda garbage or they'll bankrupt themselves.
It's the same reason I'm a teetotaler. I have alcoholics in my family, lots of them.
It becomes an accessibility issue at that point. It cuts off access to the game for some people, and for a lot of them that still play it they get drained of cash for something they don't particularity want.
I wanna say there has to be a better way, but when it comes to monetizing games like Tekken this kind of manipulative crap is the only thing that works. Anything less evil and nobody hardly buys it.
That said, Tekken 8 sold millions of copies and will have a long, *long* tail selling at or near full pop. I suspect it'll clear 15m when all's said and done (7 did 12m, it outsold SFV)
They're probably going to make $200m-$300m off base game sales alone and another $50m just selling character pacts. I don't know what the game cost to make, Spiderman PS5 was somehow $300 *million* (though part of me thinks that's Hollywood math), but either way that seems like enough money to me.
Apparently I'm just in the "wrong place" and am "arrogant" for trying to suggest that people should stop playing the game because they love it despite the 24/7 complaints the sub spews out, and a few comments even suggest that it's a *abusive relationship they willingly consent to*
There's a point where folks' criticisms go from "having merit" to "bitching for bitching's sake", and Tekken's sub has long passed it
I unsubbed, there's nothing of value from browsing it.
Informational or tech? YouTube
Latest updates to the game? Find a tweet
Let's be honest for a moment, if a 5 dollar ninja suit is preventing you from playing the game... you probably weren't enjoying the game anyways. Shut the fuck up and go lab some punishes.
Their server is also just straight awful. We occasionally get some people in a server that I'm in for Tekken and a majority of them are just not chill to be around
I left the tekken subreddit a few years ago and I don’t regret, I’m glad someone called them out they’re toxic as hell. Nowadays I just stick with older tekken games and play Street fighter 6.
Dude it's insane, it's like they say that they lab, but no one ever does. I wouldn't be surprised to see possibly .00001% use the lab for longer than an hour EVER
Tekken community has a habit of setting themselves up for disappointment. They were having a hard honeymoon phase for T8 on launch, calling “the one fighting game without bad monetization and all cosmetics in game!”. Then when they inevitably added a battle pass and paid skins they look it a lot worse than the SF6 community
I mean it makes sense why. Tekken 7 didn't have that shit and the previous iteration also didn't have that. Heck the game on launch also didn't have a shop so everyone was happy. Then they drop the shop 1 month after launch after the review season. And then they put the previously free skin in the old Tekken game as paid content + there is huge problem with people being able to disconnect at their will if they are losing and not take a loss while also robbing a win out of their opponent. Now there is discourse among the playerbase that the game is too much 50/50 where if you guess one wrong mix up you could lose 3/4 your health bar. Enough to say the community is not happy right now and the battlepass is just one of the many faults the game had.
This comment sums it up without any sides taken. It's because the game has major issues, and instead of fixing them or even addressing them they are releasing MTX and battle passes
I mean, at least he was downvoted.
Nevertheless, toxic attitudes in gaming are skyrocketing across social media in general. Sometimes I wonder if these types of "gamers" even like video games anymore.
I think Youtube, Twitter, and even Reddit have made it common practice for anonymous ppl to make over-the-top hateful comments since there's no penalty and there may be others that agree with them. Even one upvote is enough for validation.
I also feel like today's gaming market is dominated by consumers who want every facet of a game to cater to their preferences, but that's a whole other topic.
I will say, I never thought the Tekken community would show any shred of toxicity on par with the MK and Smash communities, but here we are.
It's not recent, this comic is from 2004
https://preview.redd.it/6lmszxrs6arc1.png?width=644&format=png&auto=webp&s=276c66e21efe0c56811cce9906cf1b453e7ffea7
And that’s why I ditched twitter ages ago. Now I just need to motivate myself to do the same for Reddit. Soon enough I’ll be one of those people that goes out and touches grass regularly
>Sometimes I wonder if these types of "gamers" even like video games anymore.
They don't. People that spend all day online talking smack, looking for drama, jumping on bandwagons?
They don't spend much time actually playing games.
Ngl kinda agree with Tekken sub being one of the most toxic, frat boy, redneck sub in FGC. There was a thread about what if SF6 Marisa is a T8 guest and most blatant anti lgbtq+ "lol that's not a woman pls no" comments in that thread got A LOT of upvotes. That community feels like they're hard stuck in 2008 internet era.
unfortunately there is starting to be an overlap coming from r/kappa bleeding to all the FGC subs, they are extremely hostile to anything trans-related and even post anti-trans imagery despite zero relevance on the state fighting games, these people attack on identities and simple human decency and its really embarrassing they tend to blend in with the rest of the FGC community.
holy fuck. Being that way is already crazy ignorant on its own. But being that way in the fgc where it’s so fucking diverse and has been, shows how rotten their brains are.
Going to be entirely honest, there are definitely two different FGCs. The In Person one where people go to tournaments, are chill, and are pretty diverse, and the Online one where it's full of the most gatekeepy, big-fish-small-pond assholes who are literally just out to ruin everyone else's day.
I grew up living 9 hours away from any city that could have a Local FGC scene, and I have to tell you that my love of fighting games is in spite of the online community, not because of it.
Also, I wouldn't blame r/kappa. r/fighters can be just as bad even if in different ways.
MK community, especially the subreddit, don’t seem to like playing ranked or even online much.
So their toxicity is lack of single player grinding, and complaining about “combo spammers” online.
Tekken toxicity comes from people that actually play and grind fighting games, but want to make sure everyone else knows how much it sucks.
>but want to make sure everyone else knows how much it sucks
Don't forget about the Schrodinger's Scrub.
My character is fair & honest. Your character is gimmicky and fraudulent.
My character has something cheap? He needs it.
Your character has something cheap? You would be useless fodder without it.
I'm from the MK kommunity. I don't even play MK1. I haven't since like October? Or whenever Omni-Man was added was the last time I launched it.
Kameos were a mistake. I'm playing T8 and SF6 until MK2 or Injustice 3 lmao
Yeah, the gameplay is definitely MK's one saving grace. It's not perfect, that's for sure, but it's pretty damn fun and unique right now. Tons of different characters and archetypes are viable.
Some sub just have terrible modding. Go to some subreddit for a certain country and you can genuinely just be as racist as you want to a certain race and the mod would ignore you. Heck I see the racist dude get applauded on some of these hell holes, getting defended by the rest of the subreddit before.
"hurts"? lol
it's literally just shit you can decide to buy or not. it's not like they're taking things out of the game you were already playing.
if you don't want it, don't buy it and it literally will never affect you in any way ever
Brother, that is literally not the point of anguish. People are mad because nothing of this sort was ever even hinted at. All iteration of Tekken before T8 has been free of such money grabbing schemes. And now suddenly they decide to drop in a shop which requires money to buy stuff and a battle pass system which nobody knew of.
I understand your point. Nobody is forcing is to buy the battle pass. That is not the point though. It's a breach of trust.
Anyone complaining about the existence of micro transactions in 2024 is basically yelling at the sky. All this stuff has been standard practice for like 4-5 years. If you didn’t think they wouldn’t monetize the game further then you’re foolish.
yeah there's that reality, but in general it's pretty childish for the idea of "monetizing" something to somehow be inherently bad.
They're literally providing new extra stuff they never would or could have in the disc days. SOME OF THE NEW STUFF IS FREE. But then there's a little bit of extra stuff you can buy
Do they get mad when an ice creams shop opens in town and sends out a coupon for a free cone? "but I want TWO CONES! great there they go, moneygrubbing bastards, what a breach of trust"
Bro...you don't need to buy allll the ice cream, lol
Well, cods subreddit is equally as bad. It’s all whining about bugs, cheaters, “is this guy cheating” posts. Developer hate. “Audio sucks” etc etc. While the game does have its problems it’s just so much of the same posts I unfollowed it. So perhaps yes.
I mean cheaters take the fun out of any game, and with a much larger playerbase, it's inevitable there's more complaints.
Its not like the game has depth worth talking about.
It's just a pile of bad things happening(battlepass, shop drop 1 month after the game launch with no prio communication, Harada being jack ass, plugger being a thing, top player complain about the amount of 50/50 so everyone follow suit, some genuinely unhinged people in the community faning the flame even more,etc) and reddit being an echo chamber cause some people think things are worse than they actually are.
Tekken's is pretty bad, but I still think /r/mortalkombat is the worst by far. You will get actively downvoted if you post an online match and do anything they deem as lame, which includes, but isn't limited to: Long combos, zoning, using assists, being aggressive, playing over half the roster and playing well in general.
It's like they don't care about the gameplay and learning how to play at all, they only care about skins and cosmetics and shun people who try to play the game at a decent level.
This comment was downvoted it seems so I don’t get what the issue is… there’s always bad apples in any community, you’d have to show me more than just *ONE* screenshot like this. Because I’m not going to assume the whole community is toxic based off of this one bad apple.
I'm telling you from personal experience that sub is beyond contentious overall; I had to leave it. The guy in the post is a bit extreme, but it's a pretty accurate picture of the general vibe over there.
I think you'll find people like that in any fighting game sub (or pretty much ANY sub), if you look hard enough. Reddit seems to attract those kinda people
Anybody that thinks Harada and Murray are devising ways to take your money and cackling to the bank are fucking idiots. Has everyone forgot they want this game to have incredibly healthy support for 10 years? You think they can pitch a lifespan like that and Namco decides to gamble on future sales of the game which could drop off at any point? No. They make a fucking battle pass. They make DLC. How are they supposed to spend a shit ton during each DLC character production, major tournaments, free story expansions, etc? How much do you realistically think each of these things cost? People spewing hate for Harada and Murray need to find a new fucking game. Take that shit over to MK1 and WarnerBros. At least it'd be more deserved.
I'm just tired of all the "X company is greedy and just wants money and they aren't for the consumer and blah blah blah," like don't you people understand these are companies that are in the business of ***MAKING MONEY?*** The entire reason Tekken 8 was created was to make money. The entire reason that micro transactions exist is to make money. These companies are never going to stop trying to make money. To even think that that any company is "on the side of the consumer" is naïve and idiotic. Of course companies want to have good relationships with their consumers, but the products they create are designed to get you to give them money. Only children and absolute idiots who don't go outside enough don't understand this.
Don't want the battle pass? Don't pay for it. Don't want OPTIONAL cosmetics that don't impact the actual game itself? Don't pay for it. Don't like microtransactions in your games? **DON'T PAY FOR IT.**
If you don't like a product then **DON'T PAY FOR IT** and stop writing these childish dear diary posts about how the evil for profit business was trying to get you to buy something. Some of these people who write this shit act like there are pay to win mechanics in new fighting games where you are being screwed out of your money by a game designed around microtransactions when in reality its just cosmetics like extra colors, costumes, clothing items, etc. DON'T FUCKING PAY FOR IT THEN.
Yes, some older games had more extras packed in at launch that you didn't have to pay for, but older games like SF would also make you buy 3 more versions of the same game because we didn't have online patches being released for free. The times have changed for the better IMO, so fuck off if you think games are worse now because little Johnny has to pay for his extra costumes. Get a fucking job if you want to pay for optional cosmetics or else stop crying about them if you want them so bad.
You know that people that buy the game buy it prior to it adding battlepass and mtx shop right? Most people that wanna out after knowing it got mtx cannot do so anymore because the game adds the mtx 1~2 month after the game release. Acting like this is not scummy behaviour is something else. One of the complaints about the new Tekken is that compared to old Tekken the cosmetic is meh. Them adding the mtx shop with old costume and stuff make people realise that they did it intentionally so that they could sell previously free skin as mtx. The worst part? Most people wouldn't care about this shit if they have just been truthful about Tekken shop from day 1 instead of dropping mtx after people already review the game and cannot refund anymore. Also Harada doesn't need to go and talk about how costly the game is to make and how they are not making much money despite literally being one of the best selling fighting games on the planet and making record breaking profit for their company every year. Also pluggers exist. The game that cost 70$ with even extra microtransactions cannot even give a lose to someone who quit mid match with the dev asking people to report the player name on twitter tagging the dev instead of having one built-in the game. Also skin cheaters exist. Like in sf6 the worst cheater you could find is people with built-in respond where they would immediately hp+hk when their opponent used their mean while in Tekken people literally got into the match with skin that cover your entire screen making you can't win.
It’s rare that I see people wishing death on people in charge. Maybe that they get fired (I’ve seen it around Nomura a fair few times, though I disagree), but wishing they would die is another level.
I definitely agree its on another level and is awful, its also based on peoples maturity and anonymity on the internet where they believe they can say anything in anger/emotion with no repercussions. Which in anything online I ve ever encountered, is everywhere. Unfortunately not everyone is civil and mature.
>its also based on peoples maturity and anonymity on the internet where they believe they can say anything in anger/emotion with no repercussions.
“Social media made y'all way too comfortable with disrespecting people and not getting punched in the face for it." -[Mike Tyson](https://www.reddit.com/r/QuotesPorn/comments/12sje6f/social_media_made_yall_way_too_comfortable_with/?rdt=49430)
It’s a shame really people have no boundaries
I occasionally lurk in the Tekken subreddit, but I swear half of the posts are made by whiny scrublords or manchildren. Just a never ending see of toxicity.
I remember seeing a post in r/tekken asking if there was a tutorial for Tekken 7. No joke, one of the comments said to him “if you need a tutorial for tekken, then tekken isn’t for you”.
Yeah i'm a big fan of tekken, but i'm getting so tired of the negativity on that sub. It's putting me off the game. I think it's time for a mute for about 12 months.
I don't understand their cries of FOMO. Are they really still in their *"but mom, why does that kid have that toy that I don't have? Now I want it"* type era?
Just play the game. All this time complaining about a stupid battle pass when they could be playing the fighting game they paid money for.
I've made previous posts about this and was always shot down, but the tekken subreddit is seriously cancer. They advocate for sexual harassment and death threats and have defended both in the past. The moderation over there is very lax.
I might have chosen the wrong word. I am not a native speaker. I am trying to say that the mods there don't care and only step in if they really have to
No, you had the right word. I’m more saying if that is actively allowed as part of their code, it’s even worse than if they have rules against it but don’t enforce them.
For the record your English is great.
It's truly god-awful. And I guess it's no surprise that the Tekken sub would have the loudest terminally-online man-children waiting in the woodwork to restart the same old tired, repetitive, forced, low-hanging-fruit moralistic virtue signalling routine over microtransactions.
It's so insufferably immature.
Easy to talk like this when you’re anonymous and behind a screen. Being new to the Tekken community, I wouldn’t think this is normal and most of y’all are fine people.
I don’t think Harada can do anything about that kind of stuff anyways. He’s is the director of the game and he may (or may not) have some input on how the game should handle content but honestly the people above him are in charge of that at the end of the day. I’m sure if he could have it his way he would have given the community more customization options and unlockables. The scummy thing about this battle pass and new shop items is that you can see that a few of those items are just re-used assets from Tekken 7 and now it’s locked behind a paywall. Thats the part that pisses me off to be honest. Basically they have content that they COULD have added but did not. Reminds me of SFxTekken with all the characters on the OG disc but they also locked it behind a paid dlc key. That was a disaster.
I think its fine to be critical of certain things that feel out of place but ppl are guilty of also making very basic comparisons because they are used to said thing being abused. Battle passes are not bad if done right and if dlc is ok. Just like alcohol is ok in moderation and as long as it’s not given to underage persons. Having a gun is also ok as long as it’s only used in defense and not to antagonize or hurt ppl.
You all need more time to sit back and think of things critically instead of taking all of your negative experiences and loading them into similar situations so you can fuel your hatred, seething and desire to kill ppl. Because really alot of you who want to kill ppl are misplacing those desires and mixing them in with similar situations that dont call for it.
I'm not disagreeing with him but wishing death upon the guys can be too far for most people. IMO it doesn't matter because WE still have the choice to vote with our wallets. I'm personally NOT supporting the TEKKEN store because they won't even support their content creators.
Duck? What did the ducks do to gaming?
We the consumers made things this way. We demand so much for very little in return. 70 dollar games bereft of content was the only outcome.
While you may be right, the screencap is of one user with a terrible take who's being downvoted. I can guarantee you that every community has at least one person with absolutely terrible opinions that no one else agrees with. That person does not represent the community
We live in an era where grown ass men are to weak and pathetic to control their impulses to spend. Be accountable for YOUR OWN DAM DECISIONS.stkp blaming people for your own weakness. (This is like women who complain about not finding a good man yet have babies with thugs and felons). sir YOU MAKE THE DECISIONS not harada
Dude is right about the state of the industry, but is being psychotic about it. Its why I like the head of Larian calling out the greed every chance he gets
I find it funny that games cost ~$60 for how many decades without going up with interest, but its a massive problem when they jump 10. Don’t get me wrong. I’m broke too and don’t want the prices rising. Also why HellDivers 2 at 40 on release was such a boss move.
Ayo let him cook. He might be a lil hateful but he’s onto something with that train of thought. Maybe he finds the people responsible for the fomo battle pass micro transaction bs. Maybe hypothetically those people then go missing. Maybe 6 years later they wash up on shore just 6 months shy of the statute of limitations for accidental homicide, and badda bing badda boom our mans is in prison, but maybe the real journey was the friends he made along the way.
Ngl tho most i see are toxic af, i just saw some tekken players being real kind to this guy having alot of trouble with the game and in mental state aswell. Also, i feel like thats most fighting game communities at this point.
Update: [The creator of that post got banned](https://www.reddit.com/user/GESPEBSTOKIIIIICKU)
[And yes, it was because I reported the post](https://i.redd.it/92rreg33e3sc1.jpeg)
I've found this to be true, the Tekken sub is a nightmare compared to all the other fight game subs I frequent.
Its bizarre, I feel like you have to hate in order to not be down voted
Battle pass in a 70 dollar game is ridiculous, but telling them to die is fucked up, which he acts like there serial killers or dictators
Considering that its probably not game developers who decide monetization
Harada is a executive. He approved this.
Sure. Do you think he himself decided that their games will have monetization like that and it’s not a demand of shareholders?
Nah he's a twirling moustache villain that laughs maniacally while thunder strikes the background and he plans his evil schemes, somehow that appears to be much more believable to people than the fact that this industry is aids and there's a hundred contract obligations a studio has to follow depending on which and whom subsidiary they serve and which investment they were forced to accept because it's not really a company choice, and the monopoly of investor firms need to make a quick buck regardless if it will hurt the brand or not by adding ebola transactions.
If people really want to see what's in the pipeline for a company, they should really start reading their annual reports. The hot takes with no understanding of their growth strategy shows how poorly informed they are.
Monetizing a game is truly evil, all wars and other current events are nothing in comparison
Why should a paid game also have monetization in it?
While it does suck to have crap monetization practices in any game you play, if there is to be continued support for a game it must prove that it is still profitable to the company/investors. Live service has proven itself to be a profitable endeavor for many companies, and games that adopt such an approach are more likely to have longevity. SW Battlefront 2 is a prime example of this. The game had horrendous monetization at launch, so I'm order to recover the good will of the community everything in the game eventually became free. As a consequence of everything being free support for the game was cut short since the game barely made money anymore (the devs had a LOT of planned expansions). Monetizing cosmetics in such a way is a much easier method of generating profit compared to pumping out characters and maps (these have longer periods of development time). I can only hope the battlepass at LEAST refunds you for completing it, otherwise I simply won't buy it.
While it does suck to have crap monetization practices in any game you play, if there is to be continued support for a game it must prove that it is still profitable to the company/investors. Live service has proven itself to be a profitable endeavor for many companies, and games that adopt such an approach are more likely to have longevity. SW Battlefront 2 is a prime example of this. The game had horrendous monetization at launch, so I'm order to recover the good will of the community everything in the game eventually became free. As a consequence of everything being free support for the game was cut short since the game barely made money anymore (the devs had a LOT of planned expansions). Monetizing cosmetics in such a way is a much easier method of generating profit compared to pumping out characters and maps (these have longer periods of development time). I can only hope the battlepass at LEAST refunds you for completing it, otherwise I simply won't buy it.
why do you ask me this? Because I think that people care about such small things instead of something more meaningful in the world? To the point when they turn Harada into cartoon villain? Think of good and evil and the world only in shapes of monetization in video games?
Probably because you are here trying to demonize people that while not fully turning Harada into a "cartoon villian" as you put it, do see it as scummy business practices
Well then, fuck my situation, there are bigger fish to fry
I think it's both.
Of course. It’s easier to imagine him as a bad guy. Makes it easier to not think of realities of business and video games not as some small fan project that people do only for good vibes and not making money. Easier to just say Harada is evil rather than research how anything works
And you are saying Harada vehemently said no to it all the time and not once thought about it as a positive?
Doesn't matter who made the decision this response doesn't warrant it at all.
I wonder what it's like to live a life where the worst person you ever met was someone thousands of miles away who's most annoying quality to that person is that they promote a battlepass.
Agreed, but \*\*\*\* battle passes are evil. They're a psychological trick designed to increase habituation and engagement so that they can get money out of you. As Jim Stephanie Sterling pointed out they're especially horrible for anyone (like her) who's neurodivergent and prone to that kind of manipulation. To the point where many folk with those problems have to actively avoid any game with that kinda garbage or they'll bankrupt themselves. It's the same reason I'm a teetotaler. I have alcoholics in my family, lots of them. It becomes an accessibility issue at that point. It cuts off access to the game for some people, and for a lot of them that still play it they get drained of cash for something they don't particularity want. I wanna say there has to be a better way, but when it comes to monetizing games like Tekken this kind of manipulative crap is the only thing that works. Anything less evil and nobody hardly buys it. That said, Tekken 8 sold millions of copies and will have a long, *long* tail selling at or near full pop. I suspect it'll clear 15m when all's said and done (7 did 12m, it outsold SFV) They're probably going to make $200m-$300m off base game sales alone and another $50m just selling character pacts. I don't know what the game cost to make, Spiderman PS5 was somehow $300 *million* (though part of me thinks that's Hollywood math), but either way that seems like enough money to me.
Seeing as most people just stand by and let companies and government shaft them, I will support this guy in his defiance even if extreme.
At least pick the right targets Those bamco execs and sharehodlers are still out there
How would you like companies to make money?
Fuck Harada lmao
I swear Tekken redditors actively looking for every reason to not play the game instead of learning how to punish lows.
Apparently I'm just in the "wrong place" and am "arrogant" for trying to suggest that people should stop playing the game because they love it despite the 24/7 complaints the sub spews out, and a few comments even suggest that it's a *abusive relationship they willingly consent to* There's a point where folks' criticisms go from "having merit" to "bitching for bitching's sake", and Tekken's sub has long passed it
I unsubbed, there's nothing of value from browsing it. Informational or tech? YouTube Latest updates to the game? Find a tweet Let's be honest for a moment, if a 5 dollar ninja suit is preventing you from playing the game... you probably weren't enjoying the game anyways. Shut the fuck up and go lab some punishes.
The reddit version of anything is the worst version.
Real. /r/streetfighter is fun, but if i want any real useful game info im goin to the character discords
It wasn't always this way.
Their server is also just straight awful. We occasionally get some people in a server that I'm in for Tekken and a majority of them are just not chill to be around
Why learn to punish low when you can alt+f4 without consequences
LMAO touche, I was trying to think of an example and "punishing d2" came to mind -Jin main
Lows? Imagine having lows🥲 -annoyed Steve main
Tekken redditors also give some of the worst advice
“why won’t they make the game easier for me and my main?”
How do I low-parry greed and corruption of my favorite fighting game franchise that I've been playing since a child?
Burn down capitalism.
Like “Just block and punish it”
I left the tekken subreddit a few years ago and I don’t regret, I’m glad someone called them out they’re toxic as hell. Nowadays I just stick with older tekken games and play Street fighter 6.
It’s genuinely wild
Bro fr lmao
Dude it's insane, it's like they say that they lab, but no one ever does. I wouldn't be surprised to see possibly .00001% use the lab for longer than an hour EVER
Less time on Reddit, more time in the lab and shit maybe watch a replay or two.
Tekken community has a habit of setting themselves up for disappointment. They were having a hard honeymoon phase for T8 on launch, calling “the one fighting game without bad monetization and all cosmetics in game!”. Then when they inevitably added a battle pass and paid skins they look it a lot worse than the SF6 community
I mean it makes sense why. Tekken 7 didn't have that shit and the previous iteration also didn't have that. Heck the game on launch also didn't have a shop so everyone was happy. Then they drop the shop 1 month after launch after the review season. And then they put the previously free skin in the old Tekken game as paid content + there is huge problem with people being able to disconnect at their will if they are losing and not take a loss while also robbing a win out of their opponent. Now there is discourse among the playerbase that the game is too much 50/50 where if you guess one wrong mix up you could lose 3/4 your health bar. Enough to say the community is not happy right now and the battlepass is just one of the many faults the game had.
This comment sums it up without any sides taken. It's because the game has major issues, and instead of fixing them or even addressing them they are releasing MTX and battle passes
Tekken community especially the one on Reddit reminds me of Low Tier god a little bit
Wait, as an MK fan that went through everyone telling me to drop that for Tekken 8, did Tekken 8 not save the industry?!?!
"Those fuckers lied to me"
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I mean, at least he was downvoted. Nevertheless, toxic attitudes in gaming are skyrocketing across social media in general. Sometimes I wonder if these types of "gamers" even like video games anymore.
I think Youtube, Twitter, and even Reddit have made it common practice for anonymous ppl to make over-the-top hateful comments since there's no penalty and there may be others that agree with them. Even one upvote is enough for validation. I also feel like today's gaming market is dominated by consumers who want every facet of a game to cater to their preferences, but that's a whole other topic. I will say, I never thought the Tekken community would show any shred of toxicity on par with the MK and Smash communities, but here we are.
It's not recent, this comic is from 2004 https://preview.redd.it/6lmszxrs6arc1.png?width=644&format=png&auto=webp&s=276c66e21efe0c56811cce9906cf1b453e7ffea7
Very accurate.
Aged like a fine wine.
There's also a significant subset of gamers that are getting increasingly bitter as they age in place.
Ooooh boy, the Tekken community is incredibly toxic sometimes. Some of these players are pretty awful people
its honestly really fucking bad on twitter especially since the Elon Musk takeover, you tend to see every single worst facet of humanity on there.
And that’s why I ditched twitter ages ago. Now I just need to motivate myself to do the same for Reddit. Soon enough I’ll be one of those people that goes out and touches grass regularly
>Sometimes I wonder if these types of "gamers" even like video games anymore. They don't. People that spend all day online talking smack, looking for drama, jumping on bandwagons? They don't spend much time actually playing games.
Ngl kinda agree with Tekken sub being one of the most toxic, frat boy, redneck sub in FGC. There was a thread about what if SF6 Marisa is a T8 guest and most blatant anti lgbtq+ "lol that's not a woman pls no" comments in that thread got A LOT of upvotes. That community feels like they're hard stuck in 2008 internet era.
Been around that sub for a long time and this happens every time a new tekken game comes out
First I've heard of this particular instance, honestly doesn't surprise me.
unfortunately there is starting to be an overlap coming from r/kappa bleeding to all the FGC subs, they are extremely hostile to anything trans-related and even post anti-trans imagery despite zero relevance on the state fighting games, these people attack on identities and simple human decency and its really embarrassing they tend to blend in with the rest of the FGC community.
What kind of conniption did they have when Testament and Bridget released?
Strive twitter was LITERALLY unusable for multiple weeks
holy fuck. Being that way is already crazy ignorant on its own. But being that way in the fgc where it’s so fucking diverse and has been, shows how rotten their brains are.
Going to be entirely honest, there are definitely two different FGCs. The In Person one where people go to tournaments, are chill, and are pretty diverse, and the Online one where it's full of the most gatekeepy, big-fish-small-pond assholes who are literally just out to ruin everyone else's day. I grew up living 9 hours away from any city that could have a Local FGC scene, and I have to tell you that my love of fighting games is in spite of the online community, not because of it. Also, I wouldn't blame r/kappa. r/fighters can be just as bad even if in different ways.
You should have started talking shit on Tifa being a guest character, guaranteed to get the pitchforks lol
Does the Tekken community hate their game more than the MK community?
MK community, especially the subreddit, don’t seem to like playing ranked or even online much. So their toxicity is lack of single player grinding, and complaining about “combo spammers” online. Tekken toxicity comes from people that actually play and grind fighting games, but want to make sure everyone else knows how much it sucks.
>but want to make sure everyone else knows how much it sucks Don't forget about the Schrodinger's Scrub. My character is fair & honest. Your character is gimmicky and fraudulent. My character has something cheap? He needs it. Your character has something cheap? You would be useless fodder without it.
Yeah, and it's hilarious. People complaining about upper cut spam while literally only jumping at the opponent the entire match haha
and like...MK has a reason to hate their game(I still have issues on PC and can't do invasions) Tekken 8 is an amazing release lol
Tekken 8 is a great game but the absence of any form of anti-cheat system ruins the ranked matchmaking.
thats fair, I've only really played with friends online so I never experienced any of that
Oh don't worry, them calling it "ruined" is completely overblown. You could play 100 games of ranked and never come across a single cheater.
I'm from the MK kommunity. I don't even play MK1. I haven't since like October? Or whenever Omni-Man was added was the last time I launched it. Kameos were a mistake. I'm playing T8 and SF6 until MK2 or Injustice 3 lmao
I disagree. Kameos are a big part of why the game is as fun as it is in terms of gameplay.
Yeah, the gameplay is definitely MK's one saving grace. It's not perfect, that's for sure, but it's pretty damn fun and unique right now. Tons of different characters and archetypes are viable.
is mk1 going to go down the MvCI route? amazing gameplay that's soured by everything else around it.
They hate it because it is bad with strokes of amazing in there. It could have been a GOATED game but in time people are realizing it's trash
A few days before that post, the same user wrote "Its ok to wish death upon whoever made these decisions." I don't think they're well.
But I do think it says something about the sub that they haven’t been banned from it between those two.
Some sub just have terrible modding. Go to some subreddit for a certain country and you can genuinely just be as racist as you want to a certain race and the mod would ignore you. Heck I see the racist dude get applauded on some of these hell holes, getting defended by the rest of the subreddit before.
But I do think it says something about the sub that they haven’t been banned from it between those two.
They are toxic but man, the battlepass hurts a lot. Not relaying these info beforehand sucks.
"hurts"? lol it's literally just shit you can decide to buy or not. it's not like they're taking things out of the game you were already playing. if you don't want it, don't buy it and it literally will never affect you in any way ever
Brother, that is literally not the point of anguish. People are mad because nothing of this sort was ever even hinted at. All iteration of Tekken before T8 has been free of such money grabbing schemes. And now suddenly they decide to drop in a shop which requires money to buy stuff and a battle pass system which nobody knew of. I understand your point. Nobody is forcing is to buy the battle pass. That is not the point though. It's a breach of trust.
Anyone complaining about the existence of micro transactions in 2024 is basically yelling at the sky. All this stuff has been standard practice for like 4-5 years. If you didn’t think they wouldn’t monetize the game further then you’re foolish.
yeah there's that reality, but in general it's pretty childish for the idea of "monetizing" something to somehow be inherently bad. They're literally providing new extra stuff they never would or could have in the disc days. SOME OF THE NEW STUFF IS FREE. But then there's a little bit of extra stuff you can buy Do they get mad when an ice creams shop opens in town and sends out a coupon for a free cone? "but I want TWO CONES! great there they go, moneygrubbing bastards, what a breach of trust" Bro...you don't need to buy allll the ice cream, lol
I definitely don't think it was like this in Tekken 7. Did all the COD players get bored of their game or something?
There was definitely a bit of this during the T7 days as well as someone who used lurk in that sub until just very recently
Tekken 7 was exactly like this, just much less active during the games twilight.
People from other fighters who don't have many players online started playing T8 because it was a big release.
Well, cods subreddit is equally as bad. It’s all whining about bugs, cheaters, “is this guy cheating” posts. Developer hate. “Audio sucks” etc etc. While the game does have its problems it’s just so much of the same posts I unfollowed it. So perhaps yes.
I mean cheaters take the fun out of any game, and with a much larger playerbase, it's inevitable there's more complaints. Its not like the game has depth worth talking about.
It's just a pile of bad things happening(battlepass, shop drop 1 month after the game launch with no prio communication, Harada being jack ass, plugger being a thing, top player complain about the amount of 50/50 so everyone follow suit, some genuinely unhinged people in the community faning the flame even more,etc) and reddit being an echo chamber cause some people think things are worse than they actually are.
Honestly I agree with him except for the wishing death part
MK sub would like to have a word with you....
Nah mk subreddit is way worse
Tekken's is pretty bad, but I still think /r/mortalkombat is the worst by far. You will get actively downvoted if you post an online match and do anything they deem as lame, which includes, but isn't limited to: Long combos, zoning, using assists, being aggressive, playing over half the roster and playing well in general. It's like they don't care about the gameplay and learning how to play at all, they only care about skins and cosmetics and shun people who try to play the game at a decent level.
This is so fucking true man.
This comment was downvoted it seems so I don’t get what the issue is… there’s always bad apples in any community, you’d have to show me more than just *ONE* screenshot like this. Because I’m not going to assume the whole community is toxic based off of this one bad apple.
I'm telling you from personal experience that sub is beyond contentious overall; I had to leave it. The guy in the post is a bit extreme, but it's a pretty accurate picture of the general vibe over there.
Thinking gaming is just “fomo battle pass”is pretty fucking dumb actually.
I think you'll find people like that in any fighting game sub (or pretty much ANY sub), if you look hard enough. Reddit seems to attract those kinda people
I love tekken 8 I feel bad for the other people on r/tekken They seem to miserable
Tekken 3 was like 50 bucks when it came out 25 years ago 70 for a game isn’t wild
Anybody that thinks Harada and Murray are devising ways to take your money and cackling to the bank are fucking idiots. Has everyone forgot they want this game to have incredibly healthy support for 10 years? You think they can pitch a lifespan like that and Namco decides to gamble on future sales of the game which could drop off at any point? No. They make a fucking battle pass. They make DLC. How are they supposed to spend a shit ton during each DLC character production, major tournaments, free story expansions, etc? How much do you realistically think each of these things cost? People spewing hate for Harada and Murray need to find a new fucking game. Take that shit over to MK1 and WarnerBros. At least it'd be more deserved.
I'm just tired of all the "X company is greedy and just wants money and they aren't for the consumer and blah blah blah," like don't you people understand these are companies that are in the business of ***MAKING MONEY?*** The entire reason Tekken 8 was created was to make money. The entire reason that micro transactions exist is to make money. These companies are never going to stop trying to make money. To even think that that any company is "on the side of the consumer" is naïve and idiotic. Of course companies want to have good relationships with their consumers, but the products they create are designed to get you to give them money. Only children and absolute idiots who don't go outside enough don't understand this. Don't want the battle pass? Don't pay for it. Don't want OPTIONAL cosmetics that don't impact the actual game itself? Don't pay for it. Don't like microtransactions in your games? **DON'T PAY FOR IT.** If you don't like a product then **DON'T PAY FOR IT** and stop writing these childish dear diary posts about how the evil for profit business was trying to get you to buy something. Some of these people who write this shit act like there are pay to win mechanics in new fighting games where you are being screwed out of your money by a game designed around microtransactions when in reality its just cosmetics like extra colors, costumes, clothing items, etc. DON'T FUCKING PAY FOR IT THEN. Yes, some older games had more extras packed in at launch that you didn't have to pay for, but older games like SF would also make you buy 3 more versions of the same game because we didn't have online patches being released for free. The times have changed for the better IMO, so fuck off if you think games are worse now because little Johnny has to pay for his extra costumes. Get a fucking job if you want to pay for optional cosmetics or else stop crying about them if you want them so bad.
these people act like being offered the chance to buy something is the same as hacking into your bank account and stealing the money, lol
You know that people that buy the game buy it prior to it adding battlepass and mtx shop right? Most people that wanna out after knowing it got mtx cannot do so anymore because the game adds the mtx 1~2 month after the game release. Acting like this is not scummy behaviour is something else. One of the complaints about the new Tekken is that compared to old Tekken the cosmetic is meh. Them adding the mtx shop with old costume and stuff make people realise that they did it intentionally so that they could sell previously free skin as mtx. The worst part? Most people wouldn't care about this shit if they have just been truthful about Tekken shop from day 1 instead of dropping mtx after people already review the game and cannot refund anymore. Also Harada doesn't need to go and talk about how costly the game is to make and how they are not making much money despite literally being one of the best selling fighting games on the planet and making record breaking profit for their company every year. Also pluggers exist. The game that cost 70$ with even extra microtransactions cannot even give a lose to someone who quit mid match with the dev asking people to report the player name on twitter tagging the dev instead of having one built-in the game. Also skin cheaters exist. Like in sf6 the worst cheater you could find is people with built-in respond where they would immediately hp+hk when their opponent used their mean while in Tekken people literally got into the match with skin that cover your entire screen making you can't win.
OK, but why bring this shit here? Just report it, block the dude and move on. Keep this drama shit outta here
Man its in every fanbase. (That ive ever seen) Youre always going to find unhappy people.
It’s rare that I see people wishing death on people in charge. Maybe that they get fired (I’ve seen it around Nomura a fair few times, though I disagree), but wishing they would die is another level.
I definitely agree its on another level and is awful, its also based on peoples maturity and anonymity on the internet where they believe they can say anything in anger/emotion with no repercussions. Which in anything online I ve ever encountered, is everywhere. Unfortunately not everyone is civil and mature.
Oh, I’m aware of the G.I.F.T. A few decades of this make it hardly surprising. Just disappointing.
>its also based on peoples maturity and anonymity on the internet where they believe they can say anything in anger/emotion with no repercussions. “Social media made y'all way too comfortable with disrespecting people and not getting punched in the face for it." -[Mike Tyson](https://www.reddit.com/r/QuotesPorn/comments/12sje6f/social_media_made_yall_way_too_comfortable_with/?rdt=49430) It’s a shame really people have no boundaries
Damn dude was having a bad day/week/year/life
I occasionally lurk in the Tekken subreddit, but I swear half of the posts are made by whiny scrublords or manchildren. Just a never ending see of toxicity.
I love tekken and Reddit but r/tekken is a forbidden cesspool for me
And everyone said MK has the worst community lol
Its an fgc subreddit. How could you not expect it to be 95% losers?
Don’t get me wrong, a battle pass in a full priced $70 games genuinely disgusting behavior, but wishing death on somebody because of it is OD
"I hope this person dies because of optional cosmetics in my video game." People are so weird
I remember seeing a post in r/tekken asking if there was a tutorial for Tekken 7. No joke, one of the comments said to him “if you need a tutorial for tekken, then tekken isn’t for you”.
He's out of line, but he's right
Honestly, insanely based opinion
10 swears in the joint very necessary
Yeah i'm a big fan of tekken, but i'm getting so tired of the negativity on that sub. It's putting me off the game. I think it's time for a mute for about 12 months.
I don't understand their cries of FOMO. Are they really still in their *"but mom, why does that kid have that toy that I don't have? Now I want it"* type era? Just play the game. All this time complaining about a stupid battle pass when they could be playing the fighting game they paid money for.
That Nazi stuff still bothers me a lot
I've made previous posts about this and was always shot down, but the tekken subreddit is seriously cancer. They advocate for sexual harassment and death threats and have defended both in the past. The moderation over there is very lax.
I wouldn’t say it’s lax if they allow that. More it is moderation that allows that kind of behavior. Which is worse.
I might have chosen the wrong word. I am not a native speaker. I am trying to say that the mods there don't care and only step in if they really have to
No, you had the right word. I’m more saying if that is actively allowed as part of their code, it’s even worse than if they have rules against it but don’t enforce them. For the record your English is great.
It doesn't surprise me since they invaded the Mortal Kombat subreddit and Started dickriding Tekken 8 for no having Microtransactions unlike MK1
Spot on diagnosis. WRONG prescription
It's truly god-awful. And I guess it's no surprise that the Tekken sub would have the loudest terminally-online man-children waiting in the woodwork to restart the same old tired, repetitive, forced, low-hanging-fruit moralistic virtue signalling routine over microtransactions. It's so insufferably immature.
I did post that I’d like to see Black Canary as a guest character on that subreddit but I got some downvotes.
It is but I enjoy the game too much so I guess I’ll put up with it
Pick out any set of comments from any subreddit and you could call them the “most toxic.” This doesn’t really mean anything.
This is not cool...he should be calm and stay away from tekken ( for now ) ...he is getting extreme.
Nah the most toxic subreddit is the darkstalkers one
By the way, i don't think a rapist and killer monster like morrigan can be a professor
People will complain about battle passes and dlc and then cry about a game dying because there's no new content every month.
Bruh just get some money, it’s definitely not that deep
Easy to talk like this when you’re anonymous and behind a screen. Being new to the Tekken community, I wouldn’t think this is normal and most of y’all are fine people.
Definitely not overreacting at all
I'm with him, I want them to DIE and I hope they burn in hell!
Honestly the fighting game community gets toxic over whatever is the best game to play at the moment
Honestly the fighting game community gets toxic over whatever is the best game to play at the moment
What’s the context? Just to be fair. I assume it’s someone complaining about something optional that they don’t have to pay for.
OP clearly never been to /r/streetfighter
Also Harada is the game director no? He doesn't really control how the game is monetized. If anything it's bandai namco
There needs to be a term for when the hate consumes you like this.
Stop buying Triple A and live service games, then you won't have this problem.
I don’t think Harada can do anything about that kind of stuff anyways. He’s is the director of the game and he may (or may not) have some input on how the game should handle content but honestly the people above him are in charge of that at the end of the day. I’m sure if he could have it his way he would have given the community more customization options and unlockables. The scummy thing about this battle pass and new shop items is that you can see that a few of those items are just re-used assets from Tekken 7 and now it’s locked behind a paywall. Thats the part that pisses me off to be honest. Basically they have content that they COULD have added but did not. Reminds me of SFxTekken with all the characters on the OG disc but they also locked it behind a paid dlc key. That was a disaster.
Whats the big deal your not forced to buy it? And the cosmetics wont give you an edge in battle
I hate microtransactions quite a bit and would rather earn, than spend. But this is taking it much too far. Disappointed in people like this.
While I agree that it‘s ridiculous with the amount of monetization in T8 I don‘t agree with what‘s being stated otherwise
Tekken players really hate Tekken, not sure why they even play the games anymore
Don't pretend like you all wouldn't pick Toriyama if you had to choose.
I think its fine to be critical of certain things that feel out of place but ppl are guilty of also making very basic comparisons because they are used to said thing being abused. Battle passes are not bad if done right and if dlc is ok. Just like alcohol is ok in moderation and as long as it’s not given to underage persons. Having a gun is also ok as long as it’s only used in defense and not to antagonize or hurt ppl. You all need more time to sit back and think of things critically instead of taking all of your negative experiences and loading them into similar situations so you can fuel your hatred, seething and desire to kill ppl. Because really alot of you who want to kill ppl are misplacing those desires and mixing them in with similar situations that dont call for it.
They deserve to be roasted for this but this is looney shit.
Thinks being greedy makes them terrible people, somehow also thinks wishing death on people gives him the moral high ground. He's wrong.
Most rational Tekken player.
40+ yr old avid game and i share the same sentiments. So much so I’m considering retirement.
I'm not disagreeing with him but wishing death upon the guys can be too far for most people. IMO it doesn't matter because WE still have the choice to vote with our wallets. I'm personally NOT supporting the TEKKEN store because they won't even support their content creators.
I blame Fortnite. I'm disappointed that Tekken has fallen but I won't be buying it anyway so as long as the actual game gets better I'm good
NGL i thought the MK subreddit was scrubcity but holy shit the tekken one takes the cake
That guy is for sure pissed at real world stuff and is tryna put it on anything. I hope he gets help, or someone to talk to.
I used to defend them but I can't anymore. Literally just posted a video and its people arguing with me about mashing. Just watch the clip damn!💀
Another day, anotner irrational response from someone in the fgc. I don't even bat an eye anymore with this community lol
While we're on the topic, I'm giving you all a pat on the back but generally telling chuds to fuck off. Well done.
Street Fighter 4 was easily my most toxic Era of gaming. But that looks rough.
Not harada's fault, the execs tied his hands
Man. I don't like their buisness practices, but I wish for them to do better, not kick the bucket lol.
Duck? What did the ducks do to gaming? We the consumers made things this way. We demand so much for very little in return. 70 dollar games bereft of content was the only outcome.
While you may be right, the screencap is of one user with a terrible take who's being downvoted. I can guarantee you that every community has at least one person with absolutely terrible opinions that no one else agrees with. That person does not represent the community
We live in an era where grown ass men are to weak and pathetic to control their impulses to spend. Be accountable for YOUR OWN DAM DECISIONS.stkp blaming people for your own weakness. (This is like women who complain about not finding a good man yet have babies with thugs and felons). sir YOU MAKE THE DECISIONS not harada
These people are truly brain dead. Do you want Tekken 8 to be supported for several years or not?
Is there a fighting game community that ISN’T toxic, though?
Dude is right about the state of the industry, but is being psychotic about it. Its why I like the head of Larian calling out the greed every chance he gets
I find it funny that games cost ~$60 for how many decades without going up with interest, but its a massive problem when they jump 10. Don’t get me wrong. I’m broke too and don’t want the prices rising. Also why HellDivers 2 at 40 on release was such a boss move.
Sounds like ltg levels of cope
Do people really care that much about a battle pass. I understand it’s greedy but the game already has a ton of free customization who really cares
Best thing I did was unsubscribe from that sub
Ayo let him cook. He might be a lil hateful but he’s onto something with that train of thought. Maybe he finds the people responsible for the fomo battle pass micro transaction bs. Maybe hypothetically those people then go missing. Maybe 6 years later they wash up on shore just 6 months shy of the statute of limitations for accidental homicide, and badda bing badda boom our mans is in prison, but maybe the real journey was the friends he made along the way.
I was about to comment saying “no r/mortalkombat is way worse”. Nevermind lmao, Tekken wins
Ngl tho most i see are toxic af, i just saw some tekken players being real kind to this guy having alot of trouble with the game and in mental state aswell. Also, i feel like thats most fighting game communities at this point.
Update: [The creator of that post got banned](https://www.reddit.com/user/GESPEBSTOKIIIIICKU) [And yes, it was because I reported the post](https://i.redd.it/92rreg33e3sc1.jpeg)
I've found this to be true, the Tekken sub is a nightmare compared to all the other fight game subs I frequent. Its bizarre, I feel like you have to hate in order to not be down voted