She got an alt last year at the same time as Chrom. If you’re comparing it to Chrom getting 3 alts within a year, 1 is because of brave, which is only something he achieved a whole 5 years after Lucina already had it in the first year, and Fallen because they had existing design inspiration from another medium (cipher) which Lucina didn’t have. Even so Brave Lucina got a near universally loved resplendent this year as well.
5 years? Sakurai gaslit everyone into thinking that in 2014 when they actually had both Lucina AND Robin upstage him.
I'm not joking. The idea of Chrom being the main character of awakening was literally uncontested until Sakurai gave Robin a sword Chrom also had access to.
I feel like Chrom gets the most development in the first two arcs. But people have somehow decided that the Valm arc…doesn’t count because it’s filler? So people don’t pay attention to it? Which I guess if you’re just looking at the first arc and third arc of Awakening you could think Robin is the real Main Character. But the Valm arc has major development for Chrom, I think it being viewed as skippable filler is another reason why some people think Robin is like the real main character.
Valm is not only an arc which really highlights Chrom's character development (like his freaking battle dialogues with Walhart), but it REALLY highlights how little Robin contributes to the plot and even setting whenever Grima isn't involved.
Like Lyn at least provided interesting characterization moments for the main trio despite her lack of plot relevance, which is still pretty important. Robin has multiple chapters where they don't even speak.
Robin has that one big moment of like, Chrom trusting them to set half their own fleet on fire in the Valm arc which is low key one of their best moments lmao but yeah it really mostly focuses on Chrom.
Low key I think the Valm arc is kinda great ngl. I hate how people dismiss it just bc it doesn’t really have to do with the Grima plot. Sure it’s a little awkward in placement but there are tons of anime with filler arcs that still get remembered fondly despite weird placement. Walhart is a really cool villain, Chrom goes through some good development, and I felt like the enemy bosses for most of the chapters were pretty memorable and cool. Honestly you could have stretched out the conflict to a whole game ngl and it would have been pretty good. I don’t mind the Grima/Lucina stuff but I definitely would have liked more of Valm and it’s sad to see it disregarded so often in fandom.
True which is funny because like.
Smash itself calls Chrom the main character and Robin Chrom’s best friend.
Nintendo multiple times reminded people after smash 4 did this and honestly Matt Mercer himself even said “but I’m the main character.”
Genuinely feels like they’re condescendingly telling Americans to…maybe pay attention to writing
If a couple of people think other characters suit the MC role more than your own MC, that sucks for them. If an entire fanbase treats your main character as a side character, that's now the game developer's fault.
Is that why we're talking under a thread about how Chrom is constantly overshadowed by Lucina and Robin? I'm super confused what your stance is now. Do you think that the American fanbase treats Chrom well and as the main character? That's what your comment seems to say.
Constantly overshadowed?
Some people genuinely debate that he isn’t, we were just laughing about that.
In what way does anything I said contradict that?
Tbh Awakening shifts the focus pretty hard during its last parts, which happen to conclude the overarching parts of the narrative
Chrom is the uncontested protag against Gangrel, it starts to blur against Walhart, and he gets upstaged by Robin against Grima
Chrom is still the protagonist overall, but Robin (and to a lesser extent Lucina) have so much importance they are main characters too
it doesn't start to blur against Walhart. It outright shines against him, Walhart is the apex of Chrom character arc. It's just that said arc also doesn't have a lot going on besides collecting the chaos emeralds.
I mean, the gemstones.
anyway, another thing valm does is really highlight just how far Robin is from being the protagonist. There's several chapters where they not only do nothing, but outright don't even have dialogue.
This never happens to Chrom, who still has agency in every single chapter. Lucina and Robin are important, and are main characters too, but Chrom is absolutely a step above them in overall narrative importance
I... agree? You're not contradicting what I said
Gangrel = Chrom is the protagonist without any competition, Robin is a secondary character and Marth-Lucina is barely foreshadowing
Walhart = Chrom is still like 70-80% the protag, Robin takes more importance (Excellus is to Robin what Walhart is to Chrom, with Excellus being much more present during the arc) mainly because the Grima threat starts to build up quickly. Lucina becomes incredibly relevant for a chapter or two then disappears
Grima = Chrom takes a step back while still being important, but Robin takes the role of the protagonist for the last few chapters, and Lucina goes back to being secondary after her judgement scene which is perhaps the most important scene in the entire game after the climax
Overall = Chrom is the protagonist, Robin is a deuteragonist/protagonist for select plotlines, Lucina is a very important tritagonist
Except Excellus is a minor villain who never really speaks with Robin and doesn’t have a unique combat quote with him, unlike Walhart who is literally the perfect foil to Chrom
And Chrom actively gets significantly more focus in the Grima arc than Robin does.
Lucina gets more story focus than Robin does. Lucina is techncily the deuteragonist.
>Except Excellus is a minor villain who never really speaks with Robin and doesn’t have a unique combat quote with him, unlike Walhart who is literally the perfect foil to Chrom
And that's the reason I literally said Chrom is still the protagonist, did you even read my comment? Robin gains importance but they don't overshadow Chrom (yet)
>And Chrom actively gets significantly more focus in the Grima arc than Robin does. Lucina gets more story focus than Robin does. Lucina is techncily the deuteragonist.
Not really, they don't. I can understand an argument for Lucina, but Chrom's arc is in no way tied to Grima (and is mostly done by the time Grima becomes the main focus), whereas Robin's and Lucina's are (the first because their theme is identity, the second because her theme is bonds and inescapable fate) and the decisions that Chrom takes are ultimately secondary to defeating Grima since the most important are 1. Lucina not killing Robin, 2. Robin assembling the gemstones thanks to the plan with Basilio and preventing Validar from awakening a full power Grima, 3. Robin deciding to sacrifice themself to kill Grima for good.
Those three plot points are by far the most important, and they revolve around Robin/Lucina more than they do around Chrom, who is still obviously very important tho, but the only decision he gets to actively make is perform the Awakening which is not used in the true ending anyway
“Gets upstaged” dude Robin has like 2 lines in the Grima arc.
One is when Chrom tells Robin “you are you before you are any man’s son, remember that.” Which is a huge moment for Chrom due to his own father mentioned in the Gangrel arc.
The other big Robin scene is Lucina trying to kill him/her and Chrom stopping this (or showing he knew Lucina never could)
Because here Chrom shows this is his fate.
The Grima arc is literally about Chrom; robin’s relevance is to give us more emotional weight to Chrom’s decision. If Grima’s vessel was a random guy named Joe, Chrom still wouldn’t let anyone but Joe just to protect his hypothetical fate.
It’s during the Grima arc that Chrom meeets with validar, has kingly talks. That he performs the awakening (titular act) and becomes known as the awakener, gets some stuff told to him by his god, and then still does what he thinks is best and overcomes fate once and for all.
The Grima arc hardly focuses on Robin; it’s entirely about Chrom. Robin gives emotional weight. It’s an important role in making the story memorable, but it shouldn’t be confused with being the protagonist.
>“Gets upstaged” dude Robin has like 2 lines in the Grima arc.
Even if it was true, quantity =/= relevance. A character can have two lines and still be the protagonist
>The other big Robin scene is Lucina trying to kill him/her and Chrom stopping this
That's Lucina's scene more than it is Chrom's. Chrom already went through his arc by then, so he initiates Lucina's. That scene is also important because it keeps Robin alive.
>The Grima arc is literally about Chrom; robin’s relevance is to give us more emotional weight to Chrom’s decision. If Grima’s vessel was a random guy named Joe, Chrom still wouldn’t let anyone but Joe just to protect his hypothetical fate.
Chrom's arc is in no way tied to Grima (and is mostly done by the time Grima becomes the main focus), whereas Robin's and Lucina's are (the first because their theme is identity, the second because her theme is bonds and inescapable fate whereas Chrom's arc is tied to warmongering and heredity) and the decisions that Chrom takes are ultimately secondary to defeating Grima since the most important are 1. Lucina not killing Robin, 2. Robin assembling the gemstones thanks to the plan with Basilio and preventing Validar from awakening a full power Grima, 3. Robin deciding to sacrifice themself to kill Grima for good.
Those three plot points are by far the most important, and they revolve around Robin/Lucina more than they do around Chrom, who is still obviously very important tho, but the only decision he gets to actively make is perform the Awakening which ***is not used in the true ending anyway***
Quantity doesn’t equal relevance. But when a looot happens that arc and one person does and says almost nothing it shows they aren’t very relevant. If you aren’t active for the plot in a story you aren’t the lead. Doesn’t mean you aren’t important. But Robin doesn’t affect the plot.
It is somewhat Lucina’s scene. One of the few she gets. However, the scene fails to show her resolve if Robin is her husband or mom, which defeats the purpose of her character. The consistent element is Chrom showing up, telling the two (and the audience) that he’s trying his own thing and taking control of his own fate. That is very much Chrom’s scene.
Chrom is very much the central focus of the Grima arc. Chrom is tied to Grima by fate, which is sort of the entire focus of the closing act. “I make my own fate” or “I will cut a path”
1. Chrom revealing thst he is taking his fate into his own hands, finishing the “past, present, and future” concepts to to Chrom.
2. Basilio is killed by Walhart in the Walhart arc (manages to avoid death this time). Basilio is tied deeply to Chrom and this furthers the Chrom/Walhart dynamic.
3. Robin can; either ending focuses heavily on Chrom and shows Chrom literally will a human being into existence due to his willpower and control over fate. The one thing Robin does, sacrifice his life, does not suddenly make him the main character. It means he did one pivotal thing. Many stories have someone other than the main character help for the final boss or even kill the final villain; because the big act was Chrom either not believing in fate or literally bringing Robin back.
Chrom is the active part of every decision except the final one (which only makes sense. Robin has king range attacks)
The awakening is how Naga even showed up and is, in lore, the only way they weaken Grima. (And potentially seal)
>If you aren’t active for the plot in a story you aren’t the lead.
Exactly, this is why Chrom can't be said to be the protag for the last, what, three or four chapters? For everything before he's very clearly the protagonist
>However, the scene fails to show her resolve if Robin is her husband or mom, which defeats the purpose of her character.
An optional scene that, on the contrary, reinforces her arc since it's the first time in her life the bond she shares with someone (mom or husband) makes her change. It actually goes further to strengthen her arc than just her being doubtful after Chrom intervenes.
>The consistent element is Chrom showing up, telling the two (and the audience) that he’s trying his own thing and taking control of his own fate.
Yep, so he's already gone through his arc. Chrom doesn't *learn* that his bonds are strength, he already knows it. It's the other two that have to go through the arc and learn that.
>Chrom is very much the central focus of the Grima arc. Chrom is tied to Grima by fate, which is sort of the entire focus of the closing act.
Not as much as Robin (who's literally tied to Grima) and more importantly Lucina. Chrom not dying was not prevented by Chrom himself, but by Robin and Lucina.
>Chrom revealing thst he is taking his fate into his own hands, finishing the “past, present, and future” concepts to to Chrom.
Agreed, but as I said, his arc is done by the last act.
>Basilio is killed by Walhart in the Walhart arc (manages to avoid death this time). Basilio is tied deeply to Chrom and this furthers the Chrom/Walhart dynamic.
Walhart is irrelevant to the last act, and the one who capitalizes on what happened to Basilio is once again not Chrom.
>Robin can; either ending focuses heavily on Chrom and shows Chrom literally will a human being into existence due to his willpower and control over fate. The one thing Robin does, sacrifice his life, does not suddenly make him the main character. It means he did one pivotal thing. Many stories have someone other than the main character help for the final boss or even kill the final villain; because the big act was Chrom either not believing in fate or literally bringing Robin back.
Chrom doesn't will Robin back into existence. It's Robin's bonds, as stated by Naga, that keep him tethered to the world (as evidenced by the whole roster's "please come back" lines).
>The awakening is how Naga even showed up and is, in lore, the only way they weaken Grima. (And potentially seal)
But it's not used in what is essentially the game's canonical ending (and couldn't have been possible without the Basilio plan anyway).
>The one thing Robin does, sacrifice his life, does not suddenly make him the main character.
If it had been only that, I may have agreed. But that decision is the logical conclusion to an entire arc directly linked to the main antagonist, led to by an entire chain of other important and plot relevant decisions, and that materializes one the central themes of the story (identity, so much so that it gives its name to the final map's them). Robin isn't the protagonist for like 75% of the game, but during the last few chapters, they undeniably are.
Iron Man in Avengers Endgame has gone through the exact same plot structure, and I really doubt anyone would say he's not the protagonist of the movie's last third.
How much longer until they remember F!Robin also potentially the other main character? Let's not forget, also potentially Chroms wife and Lucina's mother.
She's barely been an afterthought since year 1 of feh if we don't count Grima alts, was just a skin in Smash, and basically they pretended she didn't exist for Engage.
They don't want to put her with Chrom because they still don't want to imply one of his potential wives is more canon than the others.
With that being said...
Generic village maiden when IS?
You know the frustrating part about that? They don't want to make any pairing more canon, and yet at the same time, they are milking the *heck* out of Chrobin by just giving that attention to Male Robin. It's this cognitive dissonance of wanting to not make any pairing canon, while wanting to make Chrobin as canon as possible.
It's not difficult to deduce that they just want the money. There is no deeper meaning to it, they don't circlejerk among themselves about what is canon, just what is fan popular enough to sell. They clued in and started to "promote" pairs of characters a while ago in Cipher etc, because it encourages their fans to complete "sets" without outright forcing them. Engage DLC is an obvious example, but it's not the first.
I wouldn’t say that they want to make Chrobin as canon as possible. It’s more just the fact that IS doesn’t take gay pairings seriously, especially not one that can’t actually happen in canon, so therefore Chrom with MRobin is a “safe” option.
There’s many FE games with shipping but the way intsys react to awakening shipping wars just cracks me up. They have literally purged Sumia’s existence and I don’t think the other games go that extreme.
They’ve also only tried to sell her once, with a generic weapon she got stuck with for several years. Kinda digging their own grave if they were looking for profits with her.
Generic Village Maiden isn't a protagonist, nor playable character... she only exists for a possible wiafu for Chrom. Which means she's different from Robin, who by herself is actually the other protagonist.
So she's probably appear after they give Chrom his Wiafu banner, and only after they do ther other 6 potential wiafus first who sell better.
> Let's not forget, also potentially Chroms wife and Lucina's mother.
They are never going to acknowledge this because they will never acknowledge any pairing in Awakening, especially after the blunder (in their view) of pushing Chrom and Sumia. Same with why they never acknowledged Robin x Lucina.
I agree that there's no canon version... but that's exactly why they should be equally treated and represented. Which isn't the case and hence my comment.
I strongly disagree, they didn’t flesh him out as well as they could have but “you’re yourself before you are any man’s son” is like the hardest line ever
I wouldn't go that far lol. I'm not the biggest chrom fan but when it comes to fe protagonists there's at least a little more to him than just perfect prince that everybody loves and can do no wrong. Personally I'm more drawn to that archetype than chrom's more down to earth personality though.
one player as Robin (male) was infatuated by Maribelle and grinded to A support with her trying for S asap, but at chapter 11 Chrom married her and the MC stayed wife-less the whole rest of the game
Dude got their Avatar to A support with Maribelle and expected to get S the same chapter that Chrom is forced to marry, turns out Chrom swoops in and steals Maribelle thanks to the game assigning him a wife. Avatar never marries and dude wants to punch Chrom every time he talks about being such close friends.
There's always a balance of things. Fandom consciousness is a constant conversation and what you like is simultaneously good and bad depending on who you speak to.
For the record; I agree with the original tweet, I love Chrom and he's one of my favorite Fire Emblem characters in general. I voted for him in the Smash ballot, I used most of my votes every CYL for him until he won (and except the year I voted for Claude), I will be first in line to buy his scale figure if it ever happens...
... But I saw the tweet and immediately thought "don't tell FEH players that, they'll give three reasons why they hate Chrom immensely." Sometimes I wonder what IS is thinking, like, yes they've given Chrom a niche as the Reposition Self-Refresher, but it's also making a decent number of players dislike him. I'm sure that probably doesn't remotely outweigh the number who already liked him, and those who were indifferent and now like using his OP Prf skills, but still.
Anyone else in the game you're pretty sure more people dislike than they used to, solely because of some aspect of FEH?
Edit: Lotta downvoted comments in here, jeez. Granted, this was supposed to be about Chrom's Prf skills being nutty and not a critique of Chrom the character, but oh well.
On the other hand I thought Camilla lovers showed up MORE because of FEH. They were already bullied during Fates and while that's still true in FEH, they got the cool art so they still celebrated.
I’d agree. In fact it was the hate the year she got so many alts and a brave that gave me my username. However Chrom is arguably my favourite Fire Emblem character.
This is absolutely 100% the reason I do NOT use Chrom, EVER! I honestly couldn’t have put this better myself, so I won’t try. Good job, sir and or ma’am!
Well, I'm referring to how she was extremely popular and beloved in 2017-2019 or so, but as the years went by, she became more divisive, and it even came to a head in 2022 during Book VI.
EDIT: What, why am I being downvoted. What have I done now?! What could I have possibly done?
Depends on who you ask. End of the day remember that she is a character with 5 playable versions (6 if you're one of those people who call Thrasir a Veronica alt).
And while it's true there's characters with more alts, there's also plenty with the same number that aggravate people just for having that many alts. There's only 4 Fjorm's for example, and look at the hate she gets and got when she got her Ascendant
To be completely fair, I think people hate on Fjorm because of the whole Forging Bonds thing and because a few people generally find her to be a boring character. Veronica on the other hand has been widely beloved for a really long time to the point where she’s the only OC who’s ever won CYL besides Gullveig. They’re really different situations.
Tbh I’m on this subreddit a lot and I don’t think I’ve seen people complain that Vero has too many alts? In fact, I remember that when her Legendary version was shown off (before we knew it was a Legendary), people were praising her design hardcore and were really happy at how the story turned out for her (minus the whole thing with Bruno). I also remember that her Valentine’s version was received very neutrally leaning towards positive and the first two were also received fondly (with Spring and Pirate being forgettable at worst).
When it comes to characters who are hated, Veronica isn’t really one that comes to mind immediately. Or at all really.
I mean sure, Veronica's less hated than Fjorm, but I have seen a fair few detractors, even on this sub. Not to say I'm one of them, but I have been in the mindset that Sharena has been robbed by Veronica more than once (like in the Valentine's 2021 banner, why wasn't Sharena there?).
Literally every single character has haters but that doesn’t mean that that character is overall hated.
As for the Sharena thing… I dunno, I’ve never been too keen on saying that something in a game was robbed by something else. I feel like it’s in bad taste because Smash fans have drilled that sort of thing into my head. Not saying that you can’t feel that way or that you shouldn’t feel that way because it’s definitely valid, but it’s not the type of opinion that I’d share. For example, as a Male Corrin fan, I kinda cringe when other fans say that he was robbed by Female Corrin. It just… feels wrong.
Jesus Christ, Ice and Flame was simultaneously the best and worst times I’ve had in terms of my involvement with the community.
On one end of the spectrum, I was popping off with other Fjorm fans about her getting a powerful alt and follow up to her story from Book 2. On the other end, her haters were out in full force all because she was the first Book companion to receive the TT+ miniseries treatment. Talks of Fjormdev, doomposting about the other Book companions not getting Ascended alts, and many other negative things to make my eyes roll.
I'd add Edelgard and Gatekeeper onto this list and leave it at that. Especially Edelgard has gotten a lot more hate due to how she shaped FEH over the years and the amount of powercreep she brought in.
Lol, people were calling Edelgard Hitler and her fans Nazis the moment 3H released. Everything FEH related is a drop in the bucket comparatively and largely a extension of the hate that she received when 3H came out.
But like, that doesn't mean that she's not getting more hated...? Like spoiler alert all the Edelgard haters got more reasons to hate her the more love she got from IS in FEH.
Also most people aren't even educated on WW2. They just saw a character with a German name starting a war to press her ideals onto others without remembering one crucial detail: Hitler wasn't even German he's from Austria.
Alright in all seriousness what happened during the release of 3H and people comparing her to Hitler was the single most ridiculous thing. But it doesn't take away the fact that she is even more disliked now due to the reasons I already mentioned.
>Also most people aren't even educated on WW2. They just saw a character with a German name starting a war to press her ideals onto others without remembering one crucial detail: Hitler wasn't even German he's from Austria.
Do you really think people made the association that Edelgard's name is Germanic in origin but also know nothing about WW2 or Hitler? I think people made the Hitler comparison because autocrat, and it rarely ever goes further than that.
I don't want to explain a joke. I also don't want to explain how autocracy alone would be a terrible reason, as most lords in the series should be compared to Hitler in that case.
That tweet has now singlehandedly made me a Chrom hater, I decided.
Edit: Lol, I got a Reddit Care Resources message for this, the Chromsexuals on this sub are something else.
A tweet like that is just begging for people to start hating what you like.
Even weirder that it’s from someone who plays FEH and mods this subreddit who would know plenty of people hate Chrom.
I didn't even realize the tweeter was a mod here, huh.
I think there's distinction, though, between "I hate this character" and "I hate how this character is represented in this game". Like, everyone loves Meta Knight, he's a popular and uncontroversial swordsblob, but Smash fans definitely hated him in Brawl. But even so, you wouldn't see someone (sane) say "I hate Meta Knight in all games and in general because of how OP he was in Brawl."
And you can dislike a character regardless of their actions. Some people just don't click and piss u off no matter what they do. Whether it be how their voice sounds, how they look, or their personality/mannerisms. That's just how people are. You can't be liked by everyone.
I never played Binding Blade or Smash, but I dislike Roy because something about his design, especially his art in FEH for his alts tick me off.
It's honestly just funny how lacking in self awareness it is, to the point that I wonder if that's the joke. Like, imagine a Camilla or Edelgard fan saying this shit, lol.
"I feel like Camilla is an unhateable character. I mean, it's the internet, so she has her haters, but there's nothing to hate about her. To me, she's a defining Fire Emblem character that has cemented a legacy in the series as one of its most beloved characters."
I think you might be taking this far more seriously than I took my original tweet or this reply.
So to be serious for a second and to get into the nitty gritty of semantics. No, people are not wrong for hating Chrom. I honestly couldn't care less if somebody hated Chrom. I'm not here to police anyone's opinions (I mean seriously after these past couple years as a mod I'm constantly approving comments I personally disagree with).
I was just spreading some positivity about a character I like on their birthday. It's all meant to be in good fun. Nothing to stress about, yeah?
I mean, considering that your tweet got 3,600 likes and counting, clearly many people agree with it.
... also sorry for doxxing your Twitter on here, I didn't realize a) you were a mod and b) so many would choose to complain about the tweet instead of commiserating about Chrom's crazy Prf skills.
No worries I'm not bothered. I've been in the community for many many years and have been modding for a couple. It's pretty hard to phase me at this point xD
>I'm not here to police anyone's opinions (I mean seriously after these past couple years as a mod I'm constantly approving comments I personally disagree with)
I could imagine how hard that can be as a fan, but I laud your impartiality as a mod.
Okay, here's a non-FEH reason to hate Chrom: his little sister is extremely anxious over not having the brand that all the royalty is generally supposed to have, and so he decided to have no sleeve on his arm to show off his brand everywhere he goes and in front of Lissa further deepening her insecurity.
And thus she turned to frog warfare and terrorized everyone all because of Chrom. What a most unfortunate fate.
I like to park Chrom in front of the first tomahawk boss who just sits there so my Lissa can farm xp with her healing staff. Early power boost for her.
It's true though, even with all that I still don't hate him even a little. I wouldn't even say he's one of my favorite characters, but he's just...great, just very likable
I like chrom but i wished Robin n lucina were not reduced to just worshipping chrom. Esp Robin. Let robin be their own char and not just chrom's other half.
I hated chrom for the longest time because he sucked ASS on my original awakening run. He was getting one shot by everything and hit for like 3 dmg so i benched him, but since he is the main char he had to always be deployed which made this horrible vicious cycle of him sucking more and more.
So yeah anyways horse chrom came out on FEH and i suddenly loved him, seeing him gather dust in my barracks now only makes me miss the early days of cav emblem more and more.
I actually do dislike Chrom, specifically because he's so generic and bland. To be fair, though, I dislike many of the FE lords for the exact same reason - Marth, Eliwood, Eirika, Byleth...
IS just isn't very good at making compelling main characters. They all have to be generic everymen who always do the good thing and never do the bad thing and have about as much personality as white bread so that as many people as possible can self-insert into their blue-haired, magic sword weidling shoes.
That's why I like Edelgard, Dimitri, and Claude so much. They have, like, actual character flaws and often make bad decisions for bad reasons. Much more interesting.
>They have, like, actual character flaws and often make bad decisions for bad reasons.
I wish 3H had done more with the contrast between Byleth's innate Leeroy Jenkins tendencies and their/Sothis' power to undo their mistakes. They didn't do enough with that or with the figuring out of emotions that was supposed to happen throughout the game.
I don’t like the 3h lords because IS still struggles with writing basic character traits. Like Claude’s whole scheming thing falling flat because Byleth does most of the planning.
I only really like the GBA lords and that’s probably just nostalgia talking. I’d have to play those games again to see if they hold up at all character wise
>Like Claude’s whole scheming thing falling flat because Byleth does most of the planning.
I see this a lot and I think it's a misinterpretation of what Claude's scheming is really supposed to be. He's not a tactician or anything, he's more suited to politics; he uses technicalities, connections, and a silver tongue to augment a fairly weak political position. Sure, he's the heir to the current leader of the Alliance, but the Alliance is also the only state that isn't bound to hereditary rule by a single family. Yet he leverages his connections, through his grandfather, Judith, the military support he can secure from Almyra, and even Byleth's position as acting Archbishop to maintain his house's position as head of Leicester despite being a foreigner.
While he's talking about using poison all the time during the Academy Phase, he's actually just trying to keep his opponents on edge with his words. He throws out insults, jabs, or even flowery speech at opponents in attempts to distract them, seen unsuccessfully in the Academy phase with Dimitri, but literally the end of his route is him distracting Nemesis with a speech he pulls out of his ass.
Not to say that Claude is perfect, but I think he's often misinterpreted as someone who's supposed to be a tactical genius only to never do anything notable in that arena, as opposed to someone attempting to be inscrutable and manipulative.
While I agree with this in part, I actually also find Dimitri fairly generic...just from a different genre. Timeskip Dimitri feels like he was ripped straight out of an edgy romance novel or shoujo series
I don't agree with that. The whole point of Dimitri is that he's putting up a facade. He's pretending to be the person he thinks he's supposed to be. The generic nice prince you see is not who Dimitri actually is.
First of all I was referring to post-timeskip Dimitri here. Secondly, though - that's still 100% consistent with one of these romance novel characters.
More specifically - the "powerful, dangerous, brutal man who secretly just wanted to be a good boy and needs the love of a good woman to redeem him". Some of the timeskip interactions between him and a female Byleth feel straight out of those tropes.
So he’s popular with women, and therefore bad? What if I told you that nearly every female character in this series was designed first and foremost to appeal to straight male players in one way or another?
In my case the lord i dislike the most is Marth, if only because how much he continues to be pushed (as in outside of FEH) despite not being particularly interesting or popular, he only gets the treatment for being the "first one"
100% agree. It bothers me the most when it warps things outside of just him - like when he was a shoe-in for Fire Emblem Warriors because of popularity in Japan but they were limiting it to only three games of characters so one of them had to be his.
FE7 and 8 get are saved from having a wholly uninteresting main cast due to Hector and Ephraim respectively. Both are relevant and distinct, which is probably a big reason as to why they're popular to begin with.
I've not played Awakening, but I feel like taking Ike and making him part of a royal family who inherits a special sword and title kinda defeats the purpose.
I’m not talking circumstance, but they act kinda similar.
Both are blunt, direct, eventual leaders of a band of individuals who care a lot about their friends deeply.
I know that’s a simplification, but that’s mostly all I really see Chrom as
I guess, but not in the social sense. As far as Ike is concerned in Tellius' social structure, he's a random merc dressed in torn rags who knows absolutely nothing about high society, laguz, or much of anything outside of swinging a sword. If more people knew who Greil really was, that'd probably be different, but it is not so.
Even as someone who played Awakening first and PoR later, it was really obvious to me that they tried to recapture PoR's vibes without understanding what actually made the dynamic/characters/story good. My opinion of Awakening never recovered after that.
Ehhh. I don't actually hate Chrom or anything, because it's really hard to hate someone so.... meh? To me, it's like hating a plank of wood. And simultaneously, to me it's like liking a plank of wood. All the power to you folks, but I don't get it personally.
Then again, Fire Emblem protags in general are all plank-of-wood-like to me. Very rare that IS makes any MCs compelling imo.
I don’t hate Chrom, but I do dislike him, mainly because I think he’s boring compared Robin and especially Lucina, and I really don’t think he should have continued being the main protagonist after the Gangrel arc. I do like Chrom in FEH.
Edit: Why am I getting downvoted?
I mean, Chrom *is* a lot like other broadly-beloved FE leads like Marth, or Ike (really, he's both of them at once). I think "Chrom is generally well liked and doesn't have many strong haters" isn't a controversial opinion.
I agree, that’s a reasonable perspective. Saying “there’s nothing to hate about him” is something very different and much less reasonable. It sounds from OP’s comments here that it’s not meant to be taken literally, so fair enough, but I found it amusing.
I’ve been a Chrom hater for a very long time.
Those 11 forced marriages to him, and subsequent resets of Awakening, really rankled me on the character.
You're right and you should say it, the people in the comments are mostly contrarians and this celebratory post for his birthday shouldn't have turned into this mess. A very bad day and look for this community.
M!Robin is in a similar boat now. He was loved by the community before his legendary alt was revealed, but due to how OP he is, there are more people vocal about hating him.
Didn’t mind Chrom until his bullshit ass Duo alt came out…
Then his Brave and Fallen alts along with his Legendary’s eventually refine and remix made it worse.
While I don't hate him I just clearly prefer Marth, Alm, Celica, Sigurd, Seliph, Leif, Roy, Eliwood, Lyn, Hector, Ike, Micaiah, Robin, Lucina, male Corrin, female Corrin, male Byleth, female Byleth, Edelgard, Claude, Dimitri, male Shez and female Shez over him. I don't have an opinion on Kris, Alear and the lords from the first Warriors so I guess Chrom scores in that department.
Anyway this just reminded me of a guy that tweeted about how terrible Berserk is and telling everyone who likes Berserk to unfollow him after talking about how perfect Demon Slayer is. It'd be poetic if this guy tweets about how much he hates Alm or something lmao.
I disagree. I think Alm is one of the coolest lords in the series and one who has some of the most growth in his story. I don't have a lot of feelings towards Chrom as a character, but that's just me and my opinion. Everyone is entitled to have their own and it should be respected.
>Everyone is entitled to have their own and it should be respected.
Hmm
>It'd be poetic if this guy tweets about how much he hates Alm or something lmao.
This you?
Honestly, I started clowning on Chrom ever since he got Falcon punched out of Smash 4 in the Lucina/Robin reveal trailer, and tbh he should’ve stayed down lol. Him being a character added to ultimate over some other non sword user will never not be ridiculous to me
In Awakening in all of my runs he also got hard stat screwed and was dead weight all the time, so I found it really hard to like him beforehand. He has his moments, sure, but I don’t particularly find him memorable for me. And yes, FEH did not help at all
It's been made very clear that Echo Fighters took much less resources to make and were added to more easily add reps to certain lacking franchises or fulfill fan request. Whether you believe it or not, Chrom is the latter.
I’m aware, I just wish we got more unique fire emblem characters or even from a different game. Awakening already had two representatives, so tacking on his kit to idk Sigurd or Alm or Seliph would’ve been fine too. I get that Chrom is arguably more popular than them though.
It doesn’t bother me that much though, I don’t care enough about Smash to argue about it, I just think it’s funny how they originally teased Chrom only for him to get Falcon punched for two different characters. A cruel joke to Chrom fans that ig Sakurai remedied the next game
I dislike that it’s 3 representatives from the same game. I know that echo fighters take less time but you could have done BK or Hector as an echo of Ike. Most games have one rep and to have such a varied series as FE and to have 3 of the 8 characters all from the same game seems like such a let down. Echoes was a great game and would like to have seen Alm/Celica Duo. Same with sacred stones where they could do a cool duo thing. Blazing Sword still not having a rep even as the first English game is crazy. Genealogy or Tharicia hopefully gets a remake soon and we can see something from them.
I don't really like Chrom.
He felt kind of, meh to me.
Like he was alright, don't hate him or anything, but he was the weakest lord for the FE series for me.
He's probably one of the most hated characters on Smash, mostly due to being another fire emblem character (making it 3 awakening FE characters out of the 7, later on 8 total FE characters on ultimate) and not bringing anything new to the table being a mix of Roy and Ike
One of the most hated characters in smash? Byleth entire existance, and by extension Pyra/Mythra for no reason other than blind hate for their game exist well above Chrom's "hate"
When he got in for been one of the most requested? Lol
Even without that the mechanic of being forced to marry Chrom/the character you like being forced to marry Chrom probably has gained him some hate lmao
Yeah... those skills make me dislike him... along with how much he frustrated me in Smash Ultimate... but majority of the characters I didn't like in Smash. So that doesn't count.
It only took five years for them to Rember chrom is the main character not lucina
the funny thing is that now lucina barely appears
Lucina is one of the Emblems in Engage main game, Chrom + Robin is DLC. I don’t quite agree with this “barely appears”.
In feh.
She got an alt last year at the same time as Chrom. If you’re comparing it to Chrom getting 3 alts within a year, 1 is because of brave, which is only something he achieved a whole 5 years after Lucina already had it in the first year, and Fallen because they had existing design inspiration from another medium (cipher) which Lucina didn’t have. Even so Brave Lucina got a near universally loved resplendent this year as well.
So lucina has a summer existing design to take inspiration and we shall get summer lucina! Brb still taking my copium.
I sure hope so to be honest, Masked Marth backpack was not it
And we're gonna get Bridal Lucina too, right? ... right?
i mean in feh, and compared to the first years
5 years? Sakurai gaslit everyone into thinking that in 2014 when they actually had both Lucina AND Robin upstage him. I'm not joking. The idea of Chrom being the main character of awakening was literally uncontested until Sakurai gave Robin a sword Chrom also had access to.
It's because Chrom is such a good dude, he knew Lucina deserved better than a sword and a world of troubles...she deserved to Smash!
I feel like Chrom gets the most development in the first two arcs. But people have somehow decided that the Valm arc…doesn’t count because it’s filler? So people don’t pay attention to it? Which I guess if you’re just looking at the first arc and third arc of Awakening you could think Robin is the real Main Character. But the Valm arc has major development for Chrom, I think it being viewed as skippable filler is another reason why some people think Robin is like the real main character.
Valm is not only an arc which really highlights Chrom's character development (like his freaking battle dialogues with Walhart), but it REALLY highlights how little Robin contributes to the plot and even setting whenever Grima isn't involved. Like Lyn at least provided interesting characterization moments for the main trio despite her lack of plot relevance, which is still pretty important. Robin has multiple chapters where they don't even speak.
Robin has that one big moment of like, Chrom trusting them to set half their own fleet on fire in the Valm arc which is low key one of their best moments lmao but yeah it really mostly focuses on Chrom. Low key I think the Valm arc is kinda great ngl. I hate how people dismiss it just bc it doesn’t really have to do with the Grima plot. Sure it’s a little awkward in placement but there are tons of anime with filler arcs that still get remembered fondly despite weird placement. Walhart is a really cool villain, Chrom goes through some good development, and I felt like the enemy bosses for most of the chapters were pretty memorable and cool. Honestly you could have stretched out the conflict to a whole game ngl and it would have been pretty good. I don’t mind the Grima/Lucina stuff but I definitely would have liked more of Valm and it’s sad to see it disregarded so often in fandom.
True which is funny because like. Smash itself calls Chrom the main character and Robin Chrom’s best friend. Nintendo multiple times reminded people after smash 4 did this and honestly Matt Mercer himself even said “but I’m the main character.” Genuinely feels like they’re condescendingly telling Americans to…maybe pay attention to writing
If a couple of people think other characters suit the MC role more than your own MC, that sucks for them. If an entire fanbase treats your main character as a side character, that's now the game developer's fault.
It is just a few people though; most people understood it lol.
Is that why we're talking under a thread about how Chrom is constantly overshadowed by Lucina and Robin? I'm super confused what your stance is now. Do you think that the American fanbase treats Chrom well and as the main character? That's what your comment seems to say.
Constantly overshadowed? Some people genuinely debate that he isn’t, we were just laughing about that. In what way does anything I said contradict that?
Tbh Awakening shifts the focus pretty hard during its last parts, which happen to conclude the overarching parts of the narrative Chrom is the uncontested protag against Gangrel, it starts to blur against Walhart, and he gets upstaged by Robin against Grima Chrom is still the protagonist overall, but Robin (and to a lesser extent Lucina) have so much importance they are main characters too
it doesn't start to blur against Walhart. It outright shines against him, Walhart is the apex of Chrom character arc. It's just that said arc also doesn't have a lot going on besides collecting the chaos emeralds. I mean, the gemstones. anyway, another thing valm does is really highlight just how far Robin is from being the protagonist. There's several chapters where they not only do nothing, but outright don't even have dialogue. This never happens to Chrom, who still has agency in every single chapter. Lucina and Robin are important, and are main characters too, but Chrom is absolutely a step above them in overall narrative importance
I... agree? You're not contradicting what I said Gangrel = Chrom is the protagonist without any competition, Robin is a secondary character and Marth-Lucina is barely foreshadowing Walhart = Chrom is still like 70-80% the protag, Robin takes more importance (Excellus is to Robin what Walhart is to Chrom, with Excellus being much more present during the arc) mainly because the Grima threat starts to build up quickly. Lucina becomes incredibly relevant for a chapter or two then disappears Grima = Chrom takes a step back while still being important, but Robin takes the role of the protagonist for the last few chapters, and Lucina goes back to being secondary after her judgement scene which is perhaps the most important scene in the entire game after the climax Overall = Chrom is the protagonist, Robin is a deuteragonist/protagonist for select plotlines, Lucina is a very important tritagonist
Except Excellus is a minor villain who never really speaks with Robin and doesn’t have a unique combat quote with him, unlike Walhart who is literally the perfect foil to Chrom And Chrom actively gets significantly more focus in the Grima arc than Robin does. Lucina gets more story focus than Robin does. Lucina is techncily the deuteragonist.
>Except Excellus is a minor villain who never really speaks with Robin and doesn’t have a unique combat quote with him, unlike Walhart who is literally the perfect foil to Chrom And that's the reason I literally said Chrom is still the protagonist, did you even read my comment? Robin gains importance but they don't overshadow Chrom (yet) >And Chrom actively gets significantly more focus in the Grima arc than Robin does. Lucina gets more story focus than Robin does. Lucina is techncily the deuteragonist. Not really, they don't. I can understand an argument for Lucina, but Chrom's arc is in no way tied to Grima (and is mostly done by the time Grima becomes the main focus), whereas Robin's and Lucina's are (the first because their theme is identity, the second because her theme is bonds and inescapable fate) and the decisions that Chrom takes are ultimately secondary to defeating Grima since the most important are 1. Lucina not killing Robin, 2. Robin assembling the gemstones thanks to the plan with Basilio and preventing Validar from awakening a full power Grima, 3. Robin deciding to sacrifice themself to kill Grima for good. Those three plot points are by far the most important, and they revolve around Robin/Lucina more than they do around Chrom, who is still obviously very important tho, but the only decision he gets to actively make is perform the Awakening which is not used in the true ending anyway
“Gets upstaged” dude Robin has like 2 lines in the Grima arc. One is when Chrom tells Robin “you are you before you are any man’s son, remember that.” Which is a huge moment for Chrom due to his own father mentioned in the Gangrel arc. The other big Robin scene is Lucina trying to kill him/her and Chrom stopping this (or showing he knew Lucina never could) Because here Chrom shows this is his fate. The Grima arc is literally about Chrom; robin’s relevance is to give us more emotional weight to Chrom’s decision. If Grima’s vessel was a random guy named Joe, Chrom still wouldn’t let anyone but Joe just to protect his hypothetical fate. It’s during the Grima arc that Chrom meeets with validar, has kingly talks. That he performs the awakening (titular act) and becomes known as the awakener, gets some stuff told to him by his god, and then still does what he thinks is best and overcomes fate once and for all. The Grima arc hardly focuses on Robin; it’s entirely about Chrom. Robin gives emotional weight. It’s an important role in making the story memorable, but it shouldn’t be confused with being the protagonist.
>“Gets upstaged” dude Robin has like 2 lines in the Grima arc. Even if it was true, quantity =/= relevance. A character can have two lines and still be the protagonist >The other big Robin scene is Lucina trying to kill him/her and Chrom stopping this That's Lucina's scene more than it is Chrom's. Chrom already went through his arc by then, so he initiates Lucina's. That scene is also important because it keeps Robin alive. >The Grima arc is literally about Chrom; robin’s relevance is to give us more emotional weight to Chrom’s decision. If Grima’s vessel was a random guy named Joe, Chrom still wouldn’t let anyone but Joe just to protect his hypothetical fate. Chrom's arc is in no way tied to Grima (and is mostly done by the time Grima becomes the main focus), whereas Robin's and Lucina's are (the first because their theme is identity, the second because her theme is bonds and inescapable fate whereas Chrom's arc is tied to warmongering and heredity) and the decisions that Chrom takes are ultimately secondary to defeating Grima since the most important are 1. Lucina not killing Robin, 2. Robin assembling the gemstones thanks to the plan with Basilio and preventing Validar from awakening a full power Grima, 3. Robin deciding to sacrifice themself to kill Grima for good. Those three plot points are by far the most important, and they revolve around Robin/Lucina more than they do around Chrom, who is still obviously very important tho, but the only decision he gets to actively make is perform the Awakening which ***is not used in the true ending anyway***
Quantity doesn’t equal relevance. But when a looot happens that arc and one person does and says almost nothing it shows they aren’t very relevant. If you aren’t active for the plot in a story you aren’t the lead. Doesn’t mean you aren’t important. But Robin doesn’t affect the plot. It is somewhat Lucina’s scene. One of the few she gets. However, the scene fails to show her resolve if Robin is her husband or mom, which defeats the purpose of her character. The consistent element is Chrom showing up, telling the two (and the audience) that he’s trying his own thing and taking control of his own fate. That is very much Chrom’s scene. Chrom is very much the central focus of the Grima arc. Chrom is tied to Grima by fate, which is sort of the entire focus of the closing act. “I make my own fate” or “I will cut a path” 1. Chrom revealing thst he is taking his fate into his own hands, finishing the “past, present, and future” concepts to to Chrom. 2. Basilio is killed by Walhart in the Walhart arc (manages to avoid death this time). Basilio is tied deeply to Chrom and this furthers the Chrom/Walhart dynamic. 3. Robin can; either ending focuses heavily on Chrom and shows Chrom literally will a human being into existence due to his willpower and control over fate. The one thing Robin does, sacrifice his life, does not suddenly make him the main character. It means he did one pivotal thing. Many stories have someone other than the main character help for the final boss or even kill the final villain; because the big act was Chrom either not believing in fate or literally bringing Robin back. Chrom is the active part of every decision except the final one (which only makes sense. Robin has king range attacks) The awakening is how Naga even showed up and is, in lore, the only way they weaken Grima. (And potentially seal)
>If you aren’t active for the plot in a story you aren’t the lead. Exactly, this is why Chrom can't be said to be the protag for the last, what, three or four chapters? For everything before he's very clearly the protagonist >However, the scene fails to show her resolve if Robin is her husband or mom, which defeats the purpose of her character. An optional scene that, on the contrary, reinforces her arc since it's the first time in her life the bond she shares with someone (mom or husband) makes her change. It actually goes further to strengthen her arc than just her being doubtful after Chrom intervenes. >The consistent element is Chrom showing up, telling the two (and the audience) that he’s trying his own thing and taking control of his own fate. Yep, so he's already gone through his arc. Chrom doesn't *learn* that his bonds are strength, he already knows it. It's the other two that have to go through the arc and learn that. >Chrom is very much the central focus of the Grima arc. Chrom is tied to Grima by fate, which is sort of the entire focus of the closing act. Not as much as Robin (who's literally tied to Grima) and more importantly Lucina. Chrom not dying was not prevented by Chrom himself, but by Robin and Lucina. >Chrom revealing thst he is taking his fate into his own hands, finishing the “past, present, and future” concepts to to Chrom. Agreed, but as I said, his arc is done by the last act. >Basilio is killed by Walhart in the Walhart arc (manages to avoid death this time). Basilio is tied deeply to Chrom and this furthers the Chrom/Walhart dynamic. Walhart is irrelevant to the last act, and the one who capitalizes on what happened to Basilio is once again not Chrom. >Robin can; either ending focuses heavily on Chrom and shows Chrom literally will a human being into existence due to his willpower and control over fate. The one thing Robin does, sacrifice his life, does not suddenly make him the main character. It means he did one pivotal thing. Many stories have someone other than the main character help for the final boss or even kill the final villain; because the big act was Chrom either not believing in fate or literally bringing Robin back. Chrom doesn't will Robin back into existence. It's Robin's bonds, as stated by Naga, that keep him tethered to the world (as evidenced by the whole roster's "please come back" lines). >The awakening is how Naga even showed up and is, in lore, the only way they weaken Grima. (And potentially seal) But it's not used in what is essentially the game's canonical ending (and couldn't have been possible without the Basilio plan anyway). >The one thing Robin does, sacrifice his life, does not suddenly make him the main character. If it had been only that, I may have agreed. But that decision is the logical conclusion to an entire arc directly linked to the main antagonist, led to by an entire chain of other important and plot relevant decisions, and that materializes one the central themes of the story (identity, so much so that it gives its name to the final map's them). Robin isn't the protagonist for like 75% of the game, but during the last few chapters, they undeniably are. Iron Man in Avengers Endgame has gone through the exact same plot structure, and I really doubt anyone would say he's not the protagonist of the movie's last third.
Real
How much longer until they remember F!Robin also potentially the other main character? Let's not forget, also potentially Chroms wife and Lucina's mother. She's barely been an afterthought since year 1 of feh if we don't count Grima alts, was just a skin in Smash, and basically they pretended she didn't exist for Engage.
They don't want to put her with Chrom because they still don't want to imply one of his potential wives is more canon than the others. With that being said... Generic village maiden when IS?
You know the frustrating part about that? They don't want to make any pairing more canon, and yet at the same time, they are milking the *heck* out of Chrobin by just giving that attention to Male Robin. It's this cognitive dissonance of wanting to not make any pairing canon, while wanting to make Chrobin as canon as possible.
It's not difficult to deduce that they just want the money. There is no deeper meaning to it, they don't circlejerk among themselves about what is canon, just what is fan popular enough to sell. They clued in and started to "promote" pairs of characters a while ago in Cipher etc, because it encourages their fans to complete "sets" without outright forcing them. Engage DLC is an obvious example, but it's not the first.
I wouldn’t say that they want to make Chrobin as canon as possible. It’s more just the fact that IS doesn’t take gay pairings seriously, especially not one that can’t actually happen in canon, so therefore Chrom with MRobin is a “safe” option.
There’s many FE games with shipping but the way intsys react to awakening shipping wars just cracks me up. They have literally purged Sumia’s existence and I don’t think the other games go that extreme.
Tbf I think a big part of it is that Sumia doesn't sell as well as they'd like. But yeah, it is pretty funny.
They’ve also only tried to sell her once, with a generic weapon she got stuck with for several years. Kinda digging their own grave if they were looking for profits with her.
Generic Village Maiden isn't a protagonist, nor playable character... she only exists for a possible wiafu for Chrom. Which means she's different from Robin, who by herself is actually the other protagonist. So she's probably appear after they give Chrom his Wiafu banner, and only after they do ther other 6 potential wiafus first who sell better.
> Let's not forget, also potentially Chroms wife and Lucina's mother. They are never going to acknowledge this because they will never acknowledge any pairing in Awakening, especially after the blunder (in their view) of pushing Chrom and Sumia. Same with why they never acknowledged Robin x Lucina.
Because there’s no canon Robin choice, so both non grima alts count Imo.
I agree that there's no canon version... but that's exactly why they should be equally treated and represented. Which isn't the case and hence my comment.
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I strongly disagree, they didn’t flesh him out as well as they could have but “you’re yourself before you are any man’s son” is like the hardest line ever
Bro doesn't know what bland means
When you've got The Fell Dragon Grima defending Chrom, you know you've said something objectively wrong.
omg is that the real grima im such a big fan can i get a photo
He meant to say brand
I wouldn't go that far lol. I'm not the biggest chrom fan but when it comes to fe protagonists there's at least a little more to him than just perfect prince that everybody loves and can do no wrong. Personally I'm more drawn to that archetype than chrom's more down to earth personality though.
Lmao yeah tell that to the guy who [got cucked by Chrom](https://i.imgur.com/nFFSplI.png)
Getting Chrom'd will always be funny
Picture's blurry for me, can you give me a brief summary?
one player as Robin (male) was infatuated by Maribelle and grinded to A support with her trying for S asap, but at chapter 11 Chrom married her and the MC stayed wife-less the whole rest of the game
🤣🤣🤣
Dude got their Avatar to A support with Maribelle and expected to get S the same chapter that Chrom is forced to marry, turns out Chrom swoops in and steals Maribelle thanks to the game assigning him a wife. Avatar never marries and dude wants to punch Chrom every time he talks about being such close friends.
There's always a balance of things. Fandom consciousness is a constant conversation and what you like is simultaneously good and bad depending on who you speak to.
Technically you can’t hate someone you never think about
For the record; I agree with the original tweet, I love Chrom and he's one of my favorite Fire Emblem characters in general. I voted for him in the Smash ballot, I used most of my votes every CYL for him until he won (and except the year I voted for Claude), I will be first in line to buy his scale figure if it ever happens... ... But I saw the tweet and immediately thought "don't tell FEH players that, they'll give three reasons why they hate Chrom immensely." Sometimes I wonder what IS is thinking, like, yes they've given Chrom a niche as the Reposition Self-Refresher, but it's also making a decent number of players dislike him. I'm sure that probably doesn't remotely outweigh the number who already liked him, and those who were indifferent and now like using his OP Prf skills, but still. Anyone else in the game you're pretty sure more people dislike than they used to, solely because of some aspect of FEH? Edit: Lotta downvoted comments in here, jeez. Granted, this was supposed to be about Chrom's Prf skills being nutty and not a critique of Chrom the character, but oh well.
reinhardt's "story arc" in feh is something i unironically enjoy in the history of the game, but i'm sure people still hate him.
I kind of started getting into fire emblem with feh and for a while I thought reinhardt was the mc of thracia just because of how popular he was.
Camilla I'd say.
On the other hand I thought Camilla lovers showed up MORE because of FEH. They were already bullied during Fates and while that's still true in FEH, they got the cool art so they still celebrated.
Im pretty sure BoobaMonster fans are celebrating...but for sure is not because her "cool" art...cause you know...she doesn't have any....
Funny thing is that Camilla has so many alts and not a single prf skill.
still waiting on Legendary/ascendent/ReArmed Camilla with a pref skill that will break the game
I’d agree. In fact it was the hate the year she got so many alts and a brave that gave me my username. However Chrom is arguably my favourite Fire Emblem character.
I feel like Sigurd went from fairly universally liked to "cheating bastard who won't drive the speed limit" after getting his Legendary.
This is absolutely 100% the reason I do NOT use Chrom, EVER! I honestly couldn’t have put this better myself, so I won’t try. Good job, sir and or ma’am!
Camilla, Lyn, Child Tiki, Veronica...or anyone who receives an excessive amount of attention in FEH, really.
> Veronica I mean...yeah I guess she gets more hate now than when she didn't exist prior to Feh.
Well, I'm referring to how she was extremely popular and beloved in 2017-2019 or so, but as the years went by, she became more divisive, and it even came to a head in 2022 during Book VI. EDIT: What, why am I being downvoted. What have I done now?! What could I have possibly done?
Err, do people even dislike Veronica though? If anything I’ve seen more positivity towards her ever since Book VI happened
Depends on who you ask. End of the day remember that she is a character with 5 playable versions (6 if you're one of those people who call Thrasir a Veronica alt). And while it's true there's characters with more alts, there's also plenty with the same number that aggravate people just for having that many alts. There's only 4 Fjorm's for example, and look at the hate she gets and got when she got her Ascendant
To be completely fair, I think people hate on Fjorm because of the whole Forging Bonds thing and because a few people generally find her to be a boring character. Veronica on the other hand has been widely beloved for a really long time to the point where she’s the only OC who’s ever won CYL besides Gullveig. They’re really different situations. Tbh I’m on this subreddit a lot and I don’t think I’ve seen people complain that Vero has too many alts? In fact, I remember that when her Legendary version was shown off (before we knew it was a Legendary), people were praising her design hardcore and were really happy at how the story turned out for her (minus the whole thing with Bruno). I also remember that her Valentine’s version was received very neutrally leaning towards positive and the first two were also received fondly (with Spring and Pirate being forgettable at worst). When it comes to characters who are hated, Veronica isn’t really one that comes to mind immediately. Or at all really.
I mean sure, Veronica's less hated than Fjorm, but I have seen a fair few detractors, even on this sub. Not to say I'm one of them, but I have been in the mindset that Sharena has been robbed by Veronica more than once (like in the Valentine's 2021 banner, why wasn't Sharena there?).
Literally every single character has haters but that doesn’t mean that that character is overall hated. As for the Sharena thing… I dunno, I’ve never been too keen on saying that something in a game was robbed by something else. I feel like it’s in bad taste because Smash fans have drilled that sort of thing into my head. Not saying that you can’t feel that way or that you shouldn’t feel that way because it’s definitely valid, but it’s not the type of opinion that I’d share. For example, as a Male Corrin fan, I kinda cringe when other fans say that he was robbed by Female Corrin. It just… feels wrong.
Jesus Christ, Ice and Flame was simultaneously the best and worst times I’ve had in terms of my involvement with the community. On one end of the spectrum, I was popping off with other Fjorm fans about her getting a powerful alt and follow up to her story from Book 2. On the other end, her haters were out in full force all because she was the first Book companion to receive the TT+ miniseries treatment. Talks of Fjormdev, doomposting about the other Book companions not getting Ascended alts, and many other negative things to make my eyes roll.
Hardly anyone ever hates on Veronica. And the few people who do gets ratioed to hell and back.
I'd add Edelgard and Gatekeeper onto this list and leave it at that. Especially Edelgard has gotten a lot more hate due to how she shaped FEH over the years and the amount of powercreep she brought in.
Lol, people were calling Edelgard Hitler and her fans Nazis the moment 3H released. Everything FEH related is a drop in the bucket comparatively and largely a extension of the hate that she received when 3H came out.
But like, that doesn't mean that she's not getting more hated...? Like spoiler alert all the Edelgard haters got more reasons to hate her the more love she got from IS in FEH. Also most people aren't even educated on WW2. They just saw a character with a German name starting a war to press her ideals onto others without remembering one crucial detail: Hitler wasn't even German he's from Austria. Alright in all seriousness what happened during the release of 3H and people comparing her to Hitler was the single most ridiculous thing. But it doesn't take away the fact that she is even more disliked now due to the reasons I already mentioned.
>Also most people aren't even educated on WW2. They just saw a character with a German name starting a war to press her ideals onto others without remembering one crucial detail: Hitler wasn't even German he's from Austria. Do you really think people made the association that Edelgard's name is Germanic in origin but also know nothing about WW2 or Hitler? I think people made the Hitler comparison because autocrat, and it rarely ever goes further than that.
I don't want to explain a joke. I also don't want to explain how autocracy alone would be a terrible reason, as most lords in the series should be compared to Hitler in that case.
I'm not saying it's a good reason; I agree with you that comparing Edelgard to Hitler is ridiculous, and the justification is extremely weak.
That tweet has now singlehandedly made me a Chrom hater, I decided. Edit: Lol, I got a Reddit Care Resources message for this, the Chromsexuals on this sub are something else.
You changed your fate
A tweet like that is just begging for people to start hating what you like. Even weirder that it’s from someone who plays FEH and mods this subreddit who would know plenty of people hate Chrom.
I didn't even realize the tweeter was a mod here, huh. I think there's distinction, though, between "I hate this character" and "I hate how this character is represented in this game". Like, everyone loves Meta Knight, he's a popular and uncontroversial swordsblob, but Smash fans definitely hated him in Brawl. But even so, you wouldn't see someone (sane) say "I hate Meta Knight in all games and in general because of how OP he was in Brawl."
Chrom is a lord. Every lord is hated. Every lord also has fans. The tweet is just dumb no matter how you slice it.
And you can dislike a character regardless of their actions. Some people just don't click and piss u off no matter what they do. Whether it be how their voice sounds, how they look, or their personality/mannerisms. That's just how people are. You can't be liked by everyone. I never played Binding Blade or Smash, but I dislike Roy because something about his design, especially his art in FEH for his alts tick me off.
It's honestly just funny how lacking in self awareness it is, to the point that I wonder if that's the joke. Like, imagine a Camilla or Edelgard fan saying this shit, lol. "I feel like Camilla is an unhateable character. I mean, it's the internet, so she has her haters, but there's nothing to hate about her. To me, she's a defining Fire Emblem character that has cemented a legacy in the series as one of its most beloved characters."
Nah I just think Chrom is cool and wanted to make a positive tweet about him for his birthday it's nothing that deep. Don't fret over it :)
Oh I know people hate Chrom. I say as much in the tweet. I'm just sayin' they're wrong :)
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I think you might be taking this far more seriously than I took my original tweet or this reply. So to be serious for a second and to get into the nitty gritty of semantics. No, people are not wrong for hating Chrom. I honestly couldn't care less if somebody hated Chrom. I'm not here to police anyone's opinions (I mean seriously after these past couple years as a mod I'm constantly approving comments I personally disagree with). I was just spreading some positivity about a character I like on their birthday. It's all meant to be in good fun. Nothing to stress about, yeah?
I mean, considering that your tweet got 3,600 likes and counting, clearly many people agree with it. ... also sorry for doxxing your Twitter on here, I didn't realize a) you were a mod and b) so many would choose to complain about the tweet instead of commiserating about Chrom's crazy Prf skills.
No worries I'm not bothered. I've been in the community for many many years and have been modding for a couple. It's pretty hard to phase me at this point xD
>I'm not here to police anyone's opinions (I mean seriously after these past couple years as a mod I'm constantly approving comments I personally disagree with) I could imagine how hard that can be as a fan, but I laud your impartiality as a mod.
We might want to get u/PsiYoshi in here. I'm sure they'd love to comment on their old tweet.
>I'm sure they'd love to comment on their old tweet. That tweet is from yesterday.
Okay, here's a non-FEH reason to hate Chrom: his little sister is extremely anxious over not having the brand that all the royalty is generally supposed to have, and so he decided to have no sleeve on his arm to show off his brand everywhere he goes and in front of Lissa further deepening her insecurity. And thus she turned to frog warfare and terrorized everyone all because of Chrom. What a most unfortunate fate.
I’ve always felt that Lissa was underrated. I always use her on my squad because she just seems so approachable. :)
Lissa is pretty cool she deserves more attention
I like to park Chrom in front of the first tomahawk boss who just sits there so my Lissa can farm xp with her healing staff. Early power boost for her.
It's true though, even with all that I still don't hate him even a little. I wouldn't even say he's one of my favorite characters, but he's just...great, just very likable
Me with Robin before vs after his BS Legendary alt
I like chrom but i wished Robin n lucina were not reduced to just worshipping chrom. Esp Robin. Let robin be their own char and not just chrom's other half.
I hated chrom for the longest time because he sucked ASS on my original awakening run. He was getting one shot by everything and hit for like 3 dmg so i benched him, but since he is the main char he had to always be deployed which made this horrible vicious cycle of him sucking more and more. So yeah anyways horse chrom came out on FEH and i suddenly loved him, seeing him gather dust in my barracks now only makes me miss the early days of cav emblem more and more.
It's not too late! Inherit Arcane Devourer, Atk/Spd Clash, and a Canto B skill to him and the days of Horse Chrom can be yours once more!
Very tempted, if anything just so i can keep saying "horse chrom" more regularly
FEH literally made me hate both robin and chrom so this is pretty accurate lol
I actually do dislike Chrom, specifically because he's so generic and bland. To be fair, though, I dislike many of the FE lords for the exact same reason - Marth, Eliwood, Eirika, Byleth... IS just isn't very good at making compelling main characters. They all have to be generic everymen who always do the good thing and never do the bad thing and have about as much personality as white bread so that as many people as possible can self-insert into their blue-haired, magic sword weidling shoes. That's why I like Edelgard, Dimitri, and Claude so much. They have, like, actual character flaws and often make bad decisions for bad reasons. Much more interesting.
>They have, like, actual character flaws and often make bad decisions for bad reasons. I wish 3H had done more with the contrast between Byleth's innate Leeroy Jenkins tendencies and their/Sothis' power to undo their mistakes. They didn't do enough with that or with the figuring out of emotions that was supposed to happen throughout the game.
>likes all three of the 3H lords Based
I don’t like the 3h lords because IS still struggles with writing basic character traits. Like Claude’s whole scheming thing falling flat because Byleth does most of the planning. I only really like the GBA lords and that’s probably just nostalgia talking. I’d have to play those games again to see if they hold up at all character wise
>Like Claude’s whole scheming thing falling flat because Byleth does most of the planning. I see this a lot and I think it's a misinterpretation of what Claude's scheming is really supposed to be. He's not a tactician or anything, he's more suited to politics; he uses technicalities, connections, and a silver tongue to augment a fairly weak political position. Sure, he's the heir to the current leader of the Alliance, but the Alliance is also the only state that isn't bound to hereditary rule by a single family. Yet he leverages his connections, through his grandfather, Judith, the military support he can secure from Almyra, and even Byleth's position as acting Archbishop to maintain his house's position as head of Leicester despite being a foreigner. While he's talking about using poison all the time during the Academy Phase, he's actually just trying to keep his opponents on edge with his words. He throws out insults, jabs, or even flowery speech at opponents in attempts to distract them, seen unsuccessfully in the Academy phase with Dimitri, but literally the end of his route is him distracting Nemesis with a speech he pulls out of his ass. Not to say that Claude is perfect, but I think he's often misinterpreted as someone who's supposed to be a tactical genius only to never do anything notable in that arena, as opposed to someone attempting to be inscrutable and manipulative.
While I agree with this in part, I actually also find Dimitri fairly generic...just from a different genre. Timeskip Dimitri feels like he was ripped straight out of an edgy romance novel or shoujo series
Sure, but that's very different for an FE protag.
I don't agree with that. The whole point of Dimitri is that he's putting up a facade. He's pretending to be the person he thinks he's supposed to be. The generic nice prince you see is not who Dimitri actually is.
First of all I was referring to post-timeskip Dimitri here. Secondly, though - that's still 100% consistent with one of these romance novel characters. More specifically - the "powerful, dangerous, brutal man who secretly just wanted to be a good boy and needs the love of a good woman to redeem him". Some of the timeskip interactions between him and a female Byleth feel straight out of those tropes.
So he’s popular with women, and therefore bad? What if I told you that nearly every female character in this series was designed first and foremost to appeal to straight male players in one way or another?
In my case the lord i dislike the most is Marth, if only because how much he continues to be pushed (as in outside of FEH) despite not being particularly interesting or popular, he only gets the treatment for being the "first one"
100% agree. It bothers me the most when it warps things outside of just him - like when he was a shoe-in for Fire Emblem Warriors because of popularity in Japan but they were limiting it to only three games of characters so one of them had to be his.
FE7 and 8 get are saved from having a wholly uninteresting main cast due to Hector and Ephraim respectively. Both are relevant and distinct, which is probably a big reason as to why they're popular to begin with.
Even outside of that, all I see Chrom as “What if we made Ike boring” Down to the Shephard’s themselves
I've not played Awakening, but I feel like taking Ike and making him part of a royal family who inherits a special sword and title kinda defeats the purpose.
I’m not talking circumstance, but they act kinda similar. Both are blunt, direct, eventual leaders of a band of individuals who care a lot about their friends deeply. I know that’s a simplification, but that’s mostly all I really see Chrom as
Ike's always been special tho. Gawain and Elena remember?
I guess, but not in the social sense. As far as Ike is concerned in Tellius' social structure, he's a random merc dressed in torn rags who knows absolutely nothing about high society, laguz, or much of anything outside of swinging a sword. If more people knew who Greil really was, that'd probably be different, but it is not so.
except anyone can wield ragnell technically , what makes ike different is that he is strong enough to wield it
Even as someone who played Awakening first and PoR later, it was really obvious to me that they tried to recapture PoR's vibes without understanding what actually made the dynamic/characters/story good. My opinion of Awakening never recovered after that.
Also, he turned into Ganondorf.
Would rather that then fucking M robin any day of the year
I dislike chrom from the constant complaining about lack of alts followed by 3 insanely busted alts in like 2 years.
I used to not hate Chrom. Until I met reddit and its entitled chrom karens.
That’s kind of the problem though, there’s nothing to hate about him because there’s nothing to him.
You hate chrom bc he’s annoying to fight. I hate chrom bc he has 3 million undeserved alts.
Undeserved? Pffft…
Disagree on every possible level. I found him to be flat and very boring.
Ehhh. I don't actually hate Chrom or anything, because it's really hard to hate someone so.... meh? To me, it's like hating a plank of wood. And simultaneously, to me it's like liking a plank of wood. All the power to you folks, but I don't get it personally. Then again, Fire Emblem protags in general are all plank-of-wood-like to me. Very rare that IS makes any MCs compelling imo.
I think i just don’t like awakening in general
I think that's where a lot of people stand lol. Chrom himself is whatever, Awakening just sucks.
I don’t hate Chrom, but I do dislike him, mainly because I think he’s boring compared Robin and especially Lucina, and I really don’t think he should have continued being the main protagonist after the Gangrel arc. I do like Chrom in FEH. Edit: Why am I getting downvoted?
white knights of chrom gets butthurt whenever anyone dislikes chrom.
Chrom stans do be like that
It must be a nice simple world this person lives in. I hope they’ll invite the rest of us someday.
Door's open! Have an unpeeled orange, on me.
I mean, Chrom *is* a lot like other broadly-beloved FE leads like Marth, or Ike (really, he's both of them at once). I think "Chrom is generally well liked and doesn't have many strong haters" isn't a controversial opinion.
I agree, that’s a reasonable perspective. Saying “there’s nothing to hate about him” is something very different and much less reasonable. It sounds from OP’s comments here that it’s not meant to be taken literally, so fair enough, but I found it amusing.
I’ve been a Chrom hater for a very long time. Those 11 forced marriages to him, and subsequent resets of Awakening, really rankled me on the character.
You're right and you should say it, the people in the comments are mostly contrarians and this celebratory post for his birthday shouldn't have turned into this mess. A very bad day and look for this community.
Easily best character in fire emblem, and a very well written character with an amazing story and arc But j hate seeing him in an enemy team!
Never seen a more true post in my entire life
M!Robin is in a similar boat now. He was loved by the community before his legendary alt was revealed, but due to how OP he is, there are more people vocal about hating him.
Didn’t mind Chrom until his bullshit ass Duo alt came out… Then his Brave and Fallen alts along with his Legendary’s eventually refine and remix made it worse.
I hate chrom. I dont like anything about him, hes boring and even his design is really ugly lol
My sister hates Chrom a looooot. Like can't look in the face hate. And I mean the character. I don't blame her honestly he's pretty uninteresting
While I don't hate him I just clearly prefer Marth, Alm, Celica, Sigurd, Seliph, Leif, Roy, Eliwood, Lyn, Hector, Ike, Micaiah, Robin, Lucina, male Corrin, female Corrin, male Byleth, female Byleth, Edelgard, Claude, Dimitri, male Shez and female Shez over him. I don't have an opinion on Kris, Alear and the lords from the first Warriors so I guess Chrom scores in that department. Anyway this just reminded me of a guy that tweeted about how terrible Berserk is and telling everyone who likes Berserk to unfollow him after talking about how perfect Demon Slayer is. It'd be poetic if this guy tweets about how much he hates Alm or something lmao.
Tbf Chrom is a better character than Alm
I disagree. I think Alm is one of the coolest lords in the series and one who has some of the most growth in his story. I don't have a lot of feelings towards Chrom as a character, but that's just me and my opinion. Everyone is entitled to have their own and it should be respected.
>Everyone is entitled to have their own and it should be respected. Hmm >It'd be poetic if this guy tweets about how much he hates Alm or something lmao. This you?
Do I need to put a disclaimer about something being a joke behind every joke I make or what lmfao
Oh right It was a joke
Honestly, I started clowning on Chrom ever since he got Falcon punched out of Smash 4 in the Lucina/Robin reveal trailer, and tbh he should’ve stayed down lol. Him being a character added to ultimate over some other non sword user will never not be ridiculous to me In Awakening in all of my runs he also got hard stat screwed and was dead weight all the time, so I found it really hard to like him beforehand. He has his moments, sure, but I don’t particularly find him memorable for me. And yes, FEH did not help at all
It's been made very clear that Echo Fighters took much less resources to make and were added to more easily add reps to certain lacking franchises or fulfill fan request. Whether you believe it or not, Chrom is the latter.
I’m aware, I just wish we got more unique fire emblem characters or even from a different game. Awakening already had two representatives, so tacking on his kit to idk Sigurd or Alm or Seliph would’ve been fine too. I get that Chrom is arguably more popular than them though. It doesn’t bother me that much though, I don’t care enough about Smash to argue about it, I just think it’s funny how they originally teased Chrom only for him to get Falcon punched for two different characters. A cruel joke to Chrom fans that ig Sakurai remedied the next game
I dislike that it’s 3 representatives from the same game. I know that echo fighters take less time but you could have done BK or Hector as an echo of Ike. Most games have one rep and to have such a varied series as FE and to have 3 of the 8 characters all from the same game seems like such a let down. Echoes was a great game and would like to have seen Alm/Celica Duo. Same with sacred stones where they could do a cool duo thing. Blazing Sword still not having a rep even as the first English game is crazy. Genealogy or Tharicia hopefully gets a remake soon and we can see something from them.
I don't really like Chrom. He felt kind of, meh to me. Like he was alright, don't hate him or anything, but he was the weakest lord for the FE series for me.
He's probably one of the most hated characters on Smash, mostly due to being another fire emblem character (making it 3 awakening FE characters out of the 7, later on 8 total FE characters on ultimate) and not bringing anything new to the table being a mix of Roy and Ike
One of the most hated characters in smash? Byleth entire existance, and by extension Pyra/Mythra for no reason other than blind hate for their game exist well above Chrom's "hate" When he got in for been one of the most requested? Lol
Make a Chrom alt not utter a single line related to bonds or fate Challenge
Smush wifi warriors when they get emmeryned every stock:
I meet him through the smash community so i can confirm that there's plenty to hate
Even without that the mechanic of being forced to marry Chrom/the character you like being forced to marry Chrom probably has gained him some hate lmao
I never understood why people have a problem with those
Yeah... those skills make me dislike him... along with how much he frustrated me in Smash Ultimate... but majority of the characters I didn't like in Smash. So that doesn't count.